Do you think there's just snipers in helicopters on call 24/7?

There is at the Superbowl... Not in a helicopter, though.

Totally the same scale of events.

This is America, as a European, I automatically assume someone has a bigger gun at hand than I would know about. Especially at a country music festival ;-)

Oh, you mean there are snipers at an event, which happens at the same time every year, is the biggest sporting event in the World next to the World Cup, and one which they have a full year to plan for? I wonder how that is different than unexpected mass shooting event where nobody knows whats going on.

Because they dont just carry highpower, long range rifles in the back of police cars.

If police carried "sniper rifles", people would be bitching about excessive police weaponry.

You can't have it both ways.

Why would they be?

Should there always be a cop with a sniper rifle ready to go, 24/7?

And what are the owners supposed to do? Grab some guns and head up there themselves?

Why wouldn’t they be? What do you think SWAT teams do?

Do you think it raises suspicions that MB’s owners coulda been in on it? Maybe that’s a dumb thing to say based on what little we actually DO know, but...

Because they dont just carry highpower, long range rifles in the back of police cars

Yes, they do. Most police departments now issue an AR15 patrol carbine, because shotguns had a bad habit of hitting innocent people. There are whole product lines marketed toward this market segment:

https://www.policeone.com/police-products/firearms/articles/3297419-Selecting-a-patrol-rifle-A-systems-approach/

Not in helicopters, but most large police forces do have their own snipers with the SWAT team. And most patrol officers today have an AR15 to at least return fire in this scenario.

Because firing at the hotel, where hundreds of other people are staying, is a great and logical idea.

The whole point of having a sniper is to deliver bullet precisely where they are supposed to go, rather than spraying them all over the place.

No shit.

That’s just a stupid comment. The reason they’re called SNIPERS is because of...fuck it, you’re not going to understand anyway.

You understand that an AR-15 isn't the same as a sniper rifle, right?

Cause if you don't, its a huge difference.

Of course I do. What’s your point?

Because thats what hes saying the cops should use.

Fuck it though, you obviously don't get it.

I'm saying the likelihood of shots being on target, for a distance, with an AR is unlikely.

If even one round goes through a window above/below/beside that window, thats a failure the police have to answer to.

Without a proper rifle that can actually hit the target at range, all they'd be doing is endangering the people in the hotel too.

Here is my guess...

Where he was shooting from there weren't any tall buildings in a good line of sight to get a good shot into the rooms. Plus if it took SWAT 72 minutes to breach I'm sure it would have been just as long to get a sniper up and running.

Press conference said they were there sooner, however, once the shooter stopped firing they treated it as a barricade situation instead of an active shooter. That’s why it “took so long” to breech the door.

Roger

This is a detail many people seem to have missed in all the news reporting. The actual shooting only took place over a span of about ten minutes. About five minutes later, police were outside the hotel room door. When the police announced themselves, Paddock fired at them (blind, presumably) through the door. For the next just-under-an-hour-or-so it was a barricaded-shooter situation, as Paddock wasn't shooting at anything, either into or out of the building.

I haven't read any accounts of the details of what went on during that hour, but we can make some educated guesses. The first rule of responding to a casualty situation is not to become a casualty yourself, so it's pretty safe to assume that once Paddock stopped shooting, it became a question of how to get him out of the room without anybody getting hurt or killed. It's possible the police tried to talk him into surrendering by yelling through the door, perhaps even not knowing that by that time he was already dead. But whatever the case, I bet the question was "Do we have to go in there?" and nobody wanted to say "Yes" to that until all other options had been exhausted.

Taking elevated shots is a mother fucker, but not impossible. We can ask "what if's" all day.

They would have had to setup, identify where he was, and snipe him before he stopped shooting. He was done shooting by the time any reasonable sniper response would have been deployed.

Seems to me you’re just trying to get some reasonable answers, and so far, you’ve gotten nothing but.

You people watch too many movies.

No reasonable excuse is necessary for an unreasonable demand.

That's actually a very reasonable question. A large police force like Las Vegas will generally have at least a sniper team on their SWAT, if not several of them.

If he was on the 32 you aren't shooting him from the ground. First off where are you getting a high powered rifle and a marksman? Because if you miss you might kill someone else. It lasted for 10-15 min that just wasn't realistic. The only realistic thing was a group of cops/armed civilians breach, flashbang and take out asap. But they just didn't know what the fuck was going on man.

I'm sorry but there's nothing more amusing than the non stop nonsensical speculation posts today. You guys are a hoot.

How is it nonsensical? Because YOU don’t understand any of it?

ME!!!!!!

Why not Judge Dred kill them before they do it

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No shit.