Question about false flag events.
4 2017-10-05 by vitalogy95
If this shooting were a false flag event, or any other shooting, how would so many people be able to be trusted to keep a secret?
Also, is it under the assumption that no one died? Or is it that it was the government who shot them?
I get that a false flag means it wasn’t what it appeared to be, but can someone explain more?
42 comments
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Learn about the OK city bombing. I think there is a lot of insight to be had.
3 hours or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKKMX4V_BR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk
The blood shed is real. The rate of fire is wrong for ar-15
video about 4 chan post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqxUuyHFzc
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
What would be the purpose of these details being lied about?
Also, wouldn’t they be extra careful in making sure everything added up?
Just genuinely curious. I find myself skeptical when seeing all of these theories, but I would like to better understand the motives behind the skepticism rather than questioning everything for the pure sake of being skeptical.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Watch a noble lie. It is a great example of what they will do to cover their own asses. Also cui bono? Not the rights and privacy of Americans that I can tell you.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Here is a sourced wiki if you want to try and confirm what is said in a noble lie. If you have never watched something like this I would not expect you to just accept some of these claims. You should be skeptical.
http://ppia.wikia.com/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Bombing
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Thanks I will check it out. I think it’s hard to know what to believe regardless. It seems pretty stressful to be stuck in a middle ground. Are there intentions to get the “truth” revealed? Is that even a possibility?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Sadly the more you learn the more questions you will have. I hope that will not deter you.
I feel that for every source of truth on the internet there are twice as many lies some coated in truth. The age of information is a real mess.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
I guess my question is then, how do we ever know what to believe and is there a purpose in questioning it?
I say this because if it did happen, and people did die, it is extremely sad and I would not want to take away from that.
And again, what about the coach at my school who was killed? And what about the people in the hospital trump has visited? People must have died, this coach was well known and liked and his family is devastated. I also just don’t see how thousands of people were there and no one would come out and say “hey this never happened”. Surely many would.
It’s just behind frustrating since we have such a hunger for the truth and may never get it.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
oh people died. Go watch that extremely graphic footage then compare it to Boston. Yo will see the difference.
To put it bluntly it is not easy having to think for yourself and it sucks when you learn you have to because the media is lying to you. Having my daughter woke me up. I have spent a lot of time trying to get a grip on truth. Slippery fucking thing and I will admit I did not know what to believe at first. It sucked.
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'' - J. Edgar Hoover
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
So the theory is somebody else was behind the shooting?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
I don't have any answers. I would put nothing past the deep state.
1 criminalhero 2017-10-05
You're thinking about a Hoax. A hoax is something that never happened. False flag is an event that happens but not the way the official narrative makes it seem (9/11 is a good one)
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Oh okay. I was confused because people mentioned actors which made me think that people think the entire thing is fake/no one died.
So for example people think that there was a shooting and people died, but that the way it happened/who did it is not the way they’re reporting it?
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-10-05
No one has demonstrated or established that real shots were fired let alone that anyone was shot or killed. There is a Liveleak video going around that is being promoted as horrific and graphic aftermath but which really shows nothing of the sort. The power of suggestion is a strong form of mind control, where if you claim that something extraordinary happened, repeat it enough, and show any images that may imply that this thing happened, it will be enough proof for many people.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
There was actually a coach at my school killed there. How else would he disappear, what is the explanation for that if you’re saying no one died?
I did see a liveleak video of dead and barely alive people on the ground covered in blood.
Wouldn’t all the people there, 22,000, come out and say hey this didn’t happen?
Again, not trying to say you’re wrong, I’m just trying to understand this side of it by presenting you with my opinions and where my thoughts are, and I’m certainly open to be challenged.
1 joe_jaywalker 2017-10-05
You don't have to have 22,000 people in on it, but huge crowds can be purchased and paid to act out whatever scene or protest you want.
https://crowdsondemand.com
The Liveleak video doesn't actually show anything. People (like me) who believe these things are faked and staged, we also believe that they film scenes like this to use the power of suggestion to make people believe there was really a shooting. If you look closely there's no gunshot wound, no bullet damage, no medical personnel, and nothing that couldn't easily be faked on a low budget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHi-1PJsgbI
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
disinfo. 2 or 3 days before this attack the active users on this sub shot up by around 3k. Someone deployed a botnet or some other such thing.
Many people suspect actors were used in the Boston bombing.
watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyZ5AOXuSc
1 criminalhero 2017-10-05
Exactly
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
So what about the friends and family of the supposed shooter? Is it assumed they’re actors? Is it assumed Stephen Paddock is a made up guy? What about the person in the photographs?
1 criminalhero 2017-10-05
Could be crisis actors. Could be that paddock was the guy who is dead on the floor of that room. A lot of moving parts go into a false flag. The body in the room had gloves on. This could have been an attempt to hide his fingerprints from being on the weapons when he wasn't the real shooter. The guy hey interviewed as his brother seemed to know very little about him. The "shooter" looks as average as a 2001 Toyota Camry as far as 60 year old white guys go. I'm not saying that there is definitive proof but once the puzzle pieces start to line up, the picture begins to make sense.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
So do most people think all of these mass shootings are false flags?
1 criminalhero 2017-10-05
I save my opinion on them until I see evidence. Sandy Hook has almost no evidence of a mass shooting. 9/11 has evidence of foul play. This case is still in the air
1 vetyu 2017-10-05
The Manhattan Project employed more than 130,000 people and was able to remain a secret to the public for many years.
Disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($133,000) today fine.
So anything is possible.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
And it’s a government run thing?
1 vetyu 2017-10-05
Yeh they created the first nuclear bomb, it was run by the US government with the support from the UK and Canada.
It cost $2 billion (about $35 billion dollars today)
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
So the assumption would be that all these false flags are government run? Otherwise how would they enforce law if people let out the secret
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Interesting. Certainly it could be a secret society every time, sure. But isn’t it still just as possible for someone to go crazy. What about columbine? Is that thought to be a false flag?
Are there any mass shootings that aren’t believed to be false flags?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Most of the ones lately are suspect. Columbine feels real to me when I look back over the footage. Try and watch those docs I shared. Other ones like the DC snipers ya crazy people do stuff. But these big over the top terror events...
I will tell you this and I have spent months/years looking at it. Video, documents, articles a lot of time.
I strongly believe the Boston Bombing was staged. As crazy as that sounds. I believe those two boys thought they were taking part in a drill. Watch as much as this as you can. This guy does a great job of pointing the real terrorists out and giving possible reasons why people would take part in something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyZ5AOXuSc
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
I’ll definitely watch them when I have time.
And what do you mean they believed they were taking part in a drill? Didn’t one hide in a boat or something too?
Also, it was mentioned that the actors could go to jail if they leak the truth. Suppose a bunch of them leaked the truth, wouldn’t the trials for their arrests cause more and more people, the people involved- judges, cops, etc- to know the secret too? Or what if they tell family members and the family members leak it?
I just can’t believe that In all these situations, these supposed actors haven’t come clean to the public.
Definitely not sure where I stand, I guess in the middle, I just really have no clue what to believe anymore.
I first accepted this notion when I watch a lot of sandy hook hoax videos. I was pretty convinced at first that it was a hoax. What are your thoughts on sandy hook?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Same thing. Staged, Sandy Hook or Newtown is a weird place. The police dept is a corrupt hellhole with cops dealing coke and steroids. St Rose of Lima church has housed more than a few child molesters & even a meth head priest. 80 years ago a militant NAZI moved to town and set up some kind of training camp before the town outlawed it. Counsel on foreign relations and other wealthy political people and an old State Hospital with a creep factor off the scale. lol
Truth is stranger than fiction. Couldn't be more true when researching these topics. I think people should be aware of these things but not let them consume you. Just don't let them fool you. It's all very terrifying, especially now with Antifa/BLM and that sort of stuff happening.
How do you come forward when they control courts, police and media? The only person who would talk to you would be alternative media. Once you watch a noble lie you can research all the dead people who "came forward". They stopped the search for children so they could empty a weapons locker that had grenades in it. They kept grenades in the same building as a daycare. Then denied it and that was it.
OK rant over, it is nice to see people becoming aware of this stuff.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Who stopped a search for children for grenades? Is that from sandy hook?
And what do you mean all of the dead people who “came forward”? People who were announced dead but weren’t? And what do the people who are claimed to be dead but actually aren’t do with their lives? Like all the children in sandy hook, were they just made up names?
It’s certainly interesting but I guess the main thing that stumps me is how so many people could keep quiet. I realize the courts and legal systems can be controlled but with social media you’d thing someone could get the word out.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
No sorry for confusion. OK city bombing is where the grenades and weapons were. There was a day care in the federal building and 20 or so children died.
If you came forward your life would be ruined, also you are part of a group that was already vetted and you have signed documents and have been told it is legal, which it is kindof. Look into smith-mundt modernization act or war powers act. They can legally lie to us now.
Here is a short one to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz0vKfBHsZY
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
I’m surprised people would agree to be part of such a huge lie. I feel like you’d have to be evil to participate
But the Boston unbombing video is quite convincing so far.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
4% of the population are sociopaths. That is a surprisingly large number. Unbombing really does a good job, it's my go to video.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
One final question I have is what about all the people who work in the hospitals that the bombing victims were supposedly sent to? Wouldn’t they all say something if not victims came in?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
He covers it in unbombing i think. They skipped triage and went straight to operating rooms. Which I assume were controlled. Usually people get checked out before they into OR.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Ah okay that must be coming up, thanks for sharing!
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Do you believe that there were actual victims in the Mandalay Bay shooting? Would that be considered a false flag whereas the Boston bombing would be considered a hoax?
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
yes Look back through our conversation. People are dead. The terror is real. There is a very graphic video of a man checking pulses in vegas. Watch that, that is what real looks like. Very sad.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Sorry wasn’t sure if you had said that or another commenter. I have seen the liveleak video you’re referring too. Many are calling that fake as well.
1 monkey-see-doggy-do 2017-10-05
Your going to have that. You seem bright enough to not fall too far down the rabbit hole. Also know that counter intelligence and disinformation could be in play. A couple usefull idiots go a long way when propping up strawmen.
1 powerofthenose 2017-10-05
A false flag is when those who orchestrated or committed the act are different than who they appear to be. Imagine some warship literally falsely flying some other king's flag while plundering a merchant vessel, so that people get the wrong impression about who's at fault.
Some things which are commonly accused of being false flags include:
The reason a false flag can be kept secret is that relative to the amount of social impact of the event, the number of people involved does not need to be huge, and often the people involved wind up dead which makes it easy to clean up loose ends. Plus, if psychological pressure and provocation is involved, people may not even know where to look.
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Ah okay that must be coming up, thanks for sharing!
1 vitalogy95 2017-10-05
Do you believe that there were actual victims in the Mandalay Bay shooting? Would that be considered a false flag whereas the Boston bombing would be considered a hoax?