I know nothing about guns but what I want to know is they say he fired from two rooms so was there any breaks in the firing that could be attributed to him running from room to room also he had many guns how many were found in one room and the other room, also camera looking through peep hole did it empead him from opening the door or was it taaped or screwed to the door my point is how was it attached to the door

He had 100 round magazines and each burst of shooting lasted 10 seconds each. What do those details say to you?

So you're saying that, assuming he knew that problems were likely, it's possible that's the reason he had 23 guns. Don't worry about reloading, don't worry about jamming or over heating, just empty one, and pick up a different gun....

I'm not sure what youre saying and you started by asking a question which suggests you think I'm disagreeing with you about something.

I know nothing about guns, I'm asking for your expert opinion and providing you some details to help you do that

The first time I heard the video I though - that's a motherfucking SAW. Spend enough time on the range in the Marines and you recognize it in a second. I'm with you dude. Something seems amiss.

so you think he had a SAW. what is the relevance of that? again, im not being argumentative, i want your opinion.

antifa arent really a thing, they are a bunch of college kids that throw bottles of urine at police. before believing its antifa i would believe it was made to look like them and i dont think thats the case either. the thing is, despite antifa not being a thing it is making people suggest they are. that coincides with the theory that some party somewhere is trying to divide the country.

his last voter registration was democrat, that was a couple decades ago. his most recent hint of any political affiliation was that he mentioned he liked trump.

Nobody is a tin foil hat kinda guy.. until they are. I only point this out to address the negative connotation it brings with it. I just accepted the fact that I may have unanswered questions about crap. If that's a tin foil hat, so be it. I'm no longer ashamed. adjusts my tin foil tiara

There is no "worst" in these types of incidents. The "worst" already happened after the incidents unfold and we just don't trust the media or government to give us the answers we are looking for. And given their track record, why the fuck should we?

In your experience in combat training can you let us know the difficulties of reloading between each pause in firing and the amound of ammo in one clip (plus the type of guns used). And monitoring the cameras all at the same time.

Im no military expert but the first time i hurd that gun fire, my first thought was belt fed aswell. Thanks for your insight.

My good friend that has been to Iraq said the same thing belt fed not a magazine. There is a video on here that puts the audio of the shooting up to a recording of a M240 and they sound identical as far as the sound of the shot and the rate of fire.

I watched a video that was recorded continuously on the same phone. The attack lasted roughly 10 mins and in those 10 mins I counted 11 bursts of shooting that lasted roughly 10 seconds each. So yes there were long periods with no shots fired.

So he shot 1100 rounds, hit 500 people, and killed 58. Amazing!

I can't promise I caught every burst, but it's not far off, as in it's not 2000 or 3000 rounds he fired. There were 11 I was sure of. 1 was a maybe but by then the person holding the phone was some distance away and there was more back ground noise, do it could have been 12.

Apparently a lot of people were shot more than once.

500 injuries could be stampede, falls, anything really.

The sheriff said 125 or so were hospitalized with gun shot wounds.

ok, I just didn't know

Which video was it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74gg0m/for_the_final_time_the_flashing_light_at_the/

have you seen the interview done with the guy and girl soon after the shooting? she was talking about shooters on the ground and coming from all directions. particularly the way that people were forced to leave. i think this vid also puts that to rest and is a good example of how confused some peoples accounts can be.

I have seen the video with the guy and girl. Yeah, eye witness testimonies unreliable as it is let alone when something as intense and chaotic as this happens. Also a lot of 'eye witness' accounts of shooters on the ground and other casinos seem to mostly be "we heard someone say there was a gunman" rather than "we saw with our own eyes".

I timed out the shots in my post here (timings are based in the time displayed in the video)

Shooting pattern timings of 10 minute stitched together video https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74j8ai/shooting_pattern_timings_of_10_minute_stitched/

At the start he seems to fire for 10 seconds at a time with 30-50 seconds between bursts

Have a watch of the video it's really good to get a chronological perspective

Also the second video is interesting as you can clearly hear two single shots after the automatic (and burst) fire is finished

Have you seen the taxi driver video? As someone who has experience with gun fire does that sound like 2 different shooters?

I definitely considered that. But the video in which I’m referring to you can hear 2 different gun sounds at 2 separate times making different noises. You hear one up close clear as day, and then you hear shots coming from far away (at the same rate of fire) and then from then on you only hear those shots from the distance.

Here’s the video: https://youtu.be/fEf7HObspB0

I assumed the difference in sound was because he switched windows, and thus switched facets of the building. But surely the change in sound would not be that drastic? The "far away" gunshots have no echo, and are quieter than the echo of the "near" shots.

I had the exact same thoughts. The sound difference is way too different but I am no sound expert

A theory on this one is that those fainter sounding shots are actually inside the hotel. I think that theory holds a lot of water considering the story of the security guard being shot.

But why is an unarmed security guard checking in on a shots fired? That does not make sense to me.

What do you make of the first shot that was fired not having any report? It is just the snap.

Cheers for the awesome analysis. One other question I've been wanting to ask someone with firearms knowledge and experience - is there any chance the different weapons could have been from different places, but not fired at the same time?

The reason I ask is that there have been no official reports of a full automatic weapon in the hotel room (only ARs with bump stock have been mentioned) and I saw a picture in the linked article here ( https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74u0ye/you_know_like_every_64yearold_white_guy/ )

Also, reports on the police scanner that a van was seen leaving the Delano during the shooting.

So do you think it's possible the auto weapon could be coming from the Delano, with the burst fire being closer (from Mandalay)?

^ Everyone, please listen to the guy that has actually FIRED these guns and used them? Please? I mean come on. He knows what he's talking about, obviously.

Welcome down the rabbit hole ;-)

No bump stocks down here. Just good, old fashioned, uncut truth via audio. Bump stocks fire 14 rounds a sec, m249 10 seconds. Know what to listen for and the lying is obvious.

except for the pictures that leaked and clearly showed a bumpstock on one of the guns

that being said - it wasn't on all of them and at least one of the rounds of firing the sound was paced a whole lot like a crank trigger. Can't help but think at least one of the guns he used has one. Have the police released any information on exactly which of the 23 guns he did use?

You're not far enough down the rabbit hole, "he" did t use any of the guns.

you seen the video of someone who thinks he saw Steven Paddock in a casino on the 6th Oct?

Man, I was wondering if this is some weird phenomenon, I am a local and feel like I double-take every older man that looks like him, then remind myself I've seen the photo of him dead... I wouldn't be surprised if they're also the victim of some sort of psychological defense tactic?

Damn, hope it's all good where you're at. Does everyone you talk to think the official story is BS?

Yep. I haven't spoken to one person here that is going with the official narrative. Not to say there aren't any, but both my husband and I are involved with the casinos in some way and at least that pool of people is not buying it.

I agree about the crank sound. There's a difference in a crank, bump stock, an full auto for sure.

249? Idk about that lol. Have you seen the video comparing the shot cadence and sounds to a m240?

Makes me happy to see more and more show up to the fuckery thats happening intodays society.

I’ve had 2 non-conspiracy type friends text me and say there is something off here. The facade is crumbling and people are coming out of their sleep.

I've always questioned these types of crisis, so I came here every so often. But recently being in this sub I've found out about "Elsagate". I heard about pizzagate but was like "ehh not enough evidence for me". But I was blown the fuck away when I started watching these Elsagate cartoons! I don't have kids, so I never knew this kinda shit was going on. This sub has opened my eyes even more...

An open secret

Conspiracy of silence

Boys town

Jimmy Savile

Search those terms and watch/read the related content. Pedogate has been going on for a long time, it doesn't center around high level DNC affiliates

Jimmy savile and his crew were some seriously disgusting human beings. Reading up on boys town made my stomach turn, too. The other two didn't hit me as hard, but I become desensitized very easily. It's hard for me to retain any information when I'm offended. Pedophilia is about the worst.

Yeah Elsagate is horrific, just so so so dark and unsettling.

Same here, I had an actual panic attack when I found out about one of the worst channels. It features really gory images that aren't even cartoons, it's just sitting there inbetween some very bizarre videos of children costuming as Elsa and other characters. I don't recommend anyone look those up if you have anxiety, I'm really upset about it :( but on the other hand, people need to be warned.

Jesus. This side of the world is a fucking horror show. I can't handle that shit, the thumbnails alone turn my stomach.

I'll just leave this here

Just...wow. I only seen a few animation ones before I stopped looking. I did not know there was real actors too. Wtf man

I’m going to have to read up on these YouTube videos. My daughter likes watching them but I just assumed they were people playing with toys

Yeah please do. And it's not even just animation ones from what I was just linked from another comment. And it's obviously kids watching because the comments aren't even basic sentences in my opinion.

Share the knowledge with people you know if you can. May be difficult, but the people who care about their own kids will take the time to look will understand.

We took away YouTube even Kids YouTube only because it turned my daughter into a zombie. Now that I know it’s full of pervs I feel even better about it.

Fucking fake news

Has there been any time anyone during a press conference has confirmed there were NO automatic weapons used or found in the room? I'm curious how many of those 23 guns were used and what modifications they had besides bump stocks.

I believe they have mentioned ARs and bump stock. No mention of fully automatic weapons has officially been released yet

I think it's odd they said they found bump stocks but weren't necessarily used initially. Like that takes a bit of work to install, right?

Finding out that it's a false flag isn't the hard part. The hard part is trying to find WHY it needed to happen is. Through the jungle of lies and bullshit, this seems to be the most logical answer

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74qjfh/las_vegas_gun_control_laws_are_not_going_to/

Question Everything.

The hard part is accepting that our taxes are funding open warfare against us, that tax paying, law abiding citizens are not safe from nefarious elements of their own government. That we are subject to wage and debt slavery, fed life reducing food and water, mind numbing media distractions and that's not enough, we also must fear being shot dead in public because, idk? Arms deal? FBI gone wrong? ISIS? Xray machine legislation and psychopath oligarch schemes? Its got to be easier to make yourself believe one millionaire gambler just snapped, as far fetched as it is, it's just easier to swallow somehow.

When you understand sociopaths, you understand how this has happened.

Sociopaths have risen in our society because they are ruthless, they will lie and do anything to advance themselves without any conscience. Then they will ensure that they have control as much as possible over those in the hierarchy below them, by employing people who are like them, people they can blackmail (e.g. for being a pedophile). They have the advantage of not having a conscience but being able to fake being a normal human - normal humans just cannot conceive of the level of evil and the lack of conscience, empathy and humanity these people have, so they don't get suspicious, they dismiss any intuitive feelings or whistleblowers etc as ridiculous. So these people end up being protected by the web of other sociopaths and moral degenerates they've surrounded themselves with, and protected by the good nature of the general population, who just find it hard to believe that people they see on TV who act normal and like they have families and kids etc, could actually be the suited up, PR-buffed real life equivalent to Hannibal Lecter. It sounds ridiculous to people, but that is the reality, and when you think about it you can really see how it's happened and how it's gone this far, especially with nepotism and how generational abuse produces more sociopaths, so these big wealthy and powerful families are hideously abusive, everyone in them has grown up in an environment full of narcissists, sociopaths and psychological, physical and oftentimes sexual abuse, and then they become sociopaths themselves and carry it on, like an intergenerational disease, that has at this point in history, infected much of the global power structures.

Good comment. Makes me wonder if we ever get the power back, which i think we will, will we lose it to these degenerates again, as they are capable of unthinkable evil and we are not.

You mean this is why guys will never believe a mass shooting? Because you might have to confront some ugly truths about gun violence. It's so much easier to just dismiss the act as a false flag rather than confront reality. There's no rabbit hole here just pro gun nuts pushing propaganda

You mean this is why guys will never believe a mass shooting? Because you might have to confront some ugly truths about gun violence. It's so much easier to just dismiss the act as a false flag rather than confront reality. There's no rabbit hole here just pro gun nuts pushing propaganda

Yawn pawn

People interested in hearing multiple shooters should also listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=5vdeHMqCscs between 6min 9 secs & 6min 18 secs

You hear one continuous lower pitched gunfire with smaller overlapping intermittent bursts at a different cadence.

Echo unfortunately does not work like that. People will try to mislead you saying it's sonic crack as the bullets are closer...

BUT.... it wouldn't happen only part of the time it would happen all of the time which it clearly doesn't in aforementioned video.

There were multiple shooters bar none

Have you seen all the eyewitness accounts that were posted here in the days after it happened?

Hello and welcome. So what is it that isn't adding up to you? You mentioned the sound of the weapon(s), but to me the entire situation is fishy so I'm just wondering if any other aspect of this brought you here.

Why no muzzle flash on any video? Wouldnt there be a ton of shell casings laying everywhere in that suite? Pics and video Ive seen show neither.

The moment I watched the first video I immediately said to myself "that is multiple shooters, and that is a belt fed MG". Then when information started coming in I realized holy shit, they're lying to us again. It brought me here and I am so glad for everyone questioning the same shit. There's over 12,000 people reading in here at the moment. Everyone knows this is a cover up. And to be honest, I've had some rage boiling over this. The feds need to be burned to the ground. This shit is getting out of control and 90% of the population either doesn't fucking care, or are too fucking blind/stupid to care.

"They" have made the 90% this stupid to ensure this kind of shit squeaks past.

I think the lack of a motive is really concerning to the public and they are not trusting the msm narrative. Like you said this sub has been really active since it happened. I believe the general population is skeptical as well.

The media seems to be angling for a "he was a weirdo" narrative, defining his life as a series of obsessions and him personally as anti-social, although most people who interacted with him seem to say he was not unusual or noticeably strange.

You forgot the third option, willingly complicit and ignorant.

It's events like these that open up a can of worms and make you re-examine past and future historical events. For me, that event was over 16 years ago one September morning. Once you take the red pill here no turning back.

Same here. I was young when 9/11 happened and I didn't question it immediately. Then I watched that Michael Moore documentary and, even though it wasn't that well done, it taught me that the govt is not our big brother looking out for us, but more like a manipulative parent who needs to be in complete control at all times.

iPhone x didn't you here?

stop with the multiple shooter theory. the evidence is stacked against it, it just discredits everything else

As far as I can tell, the only way it wasn't multiple shooters is if there were guns being fired remotely by paddock

What is the evidence against the multiple shooter theory? Because all I have seen and heard that there weren't multiple shooters is that the authorities and the media said so, whereas there is the police scanner audio and seemingly hundreds of eye witness accounts that say otherwise. As for the footage appearing to show sounds of multiple guns being fired, I'm not expert enough to know, but it doesn't seem to be definitive either way, I've seen people give convincing arguments for it to be echos etc, and others give convincing arguments that its multiple gunfire.

So when you say the evidence is tacked against it, please at least provide the evidence so that we can see, because there's a lot of counter evidence that it has to obliterate.

I couldn’t agree more, but I think it’s pretty obvious they’re full of shit. I asked 5 coworkers and 5 customers at work tonite if they thought he was a lone gunman-not a single one said they really thought he was the one behind the massacre.

I work at Walmart in a town of 11,000 in Missouri

Prepare to have your paradigm all changed. Hopefully for the better....

Look into the 240b, im convinced that the 249 is actually faster than than both.

I have relatives who work the country music festival scene.

ALL of their friends at the show say gunfire was coming from the ground level. ALL of them.

Roadies. Artists. Security. Super fans.

Everyone

You can't really trust eye witness reports. Memory is to adjustable.

You're right. However the higher amount of corroboration from unrelated sources the more likely it is that the events witnessed are truth, and the less likely they can be written off by human error. No go and find every single person who was in the area that day that claims to have (eye) witnessed more than one shooter.

There's a lot of them.

Now, as someone who believes in critical thinking and isn't possessed by the demons of motivated reasoning (the majority of this heavily infiltrated sub/subculture), that doesn't give us definitive proof of anything, but it certainly helps swing the likelihood in a certain direction.

EVERYONE watching the initial video at first thought there were two shooters because of the way it sounded. There were echos. There also two different targets.

But the roadies and staff, those guys are related, have probably all talked to each other, and have built a common memory that doesn't necessarily reflect what actually happened.

You can't really trust eye witness reports

Except for the eyewitness reports saying a 757 totally hit the Pentagon. Those reports are 100% spot on, no fallible memory or trust issues there.

But yeah all the eyewitnesses for every other strange seemingly-engineered incident? Memory's too adjustable can't trust those.

If gunfire was coming from ground level, why aren't there any reports or descriptions of who/where they were coming from?

And does that mean the eyewitnesses to gunfire coming from the upper levels of Mandalay Bay are all lying?

A lot of the people in the videos didn't believe it was gunfire even as people were dying of gunshot wounds all around them.

I have no agenda. I am just curious.

Wouldn't a gun guy with a supposed $100k+ collection shoot those guns? Wouldn't a guy a planning a long-range massacre practice with these modified guns?

I have seen no evidence that he had a remote ranch or something where he might have shot. Seen nothing of any local gun range owners/patrons saying anything of having ever noticed him. Seen nothing suggesting he had any military or law enforcement firearm training.

Firing those hotass, kicking weapons can't be a cakewalk. Where did this old guy learn how to handle these type of guns?

You can buy the guns, yes. Even though they are fully automatic, you can purchase them with enough cash. I had a friend that worked for a high end gun store, and I mean high end. It had it's own landing strip for rich mothefuckers to fly in, land an airplane, pick up their guns and leave.

He sold M2 .50 cals, which are belt fed full auto, grenade launchers (I want to say 30mm, because 40mm was illegal for civilians to own) rifles galore, pretty much anything you could imagine, they sold it.

This shop also had a range where you fire all the weapons. If you were never military or LE, you can watch videos on YouTube to learn how they function, then go out and practice. They aren't very hard to use.

Nothing about what you brought up is strange or out of the ordinary, just if you've never paid attention to it before now, it seems farfetched and surreal. I was prior military and am a gun but, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to learn he was using a 249 or some other full auto weapon.

I'm actually surprised he didn't use a suppressor. All that money on guns, but he didn't buy or build suppressors for them. That would have made him even more deadly because he would have been harder to find.

I was prior military and am a gun

Sorry I have nothing to add just thought this typo was funny

If you work for the CIA or another intelligence agency, your employment record will most likely show your job history as an IRS auditor or US Postal Service employee since they are also government jobs but draw far less attention on paper. I just happen to find his job history and lack of information about his personal life to be one hell of a coincidence.

r/outoftheloop but why would they lie about what guns are being used and why lie about how many shooters there were?

Because Paddock was probably a spook who got black-ops teams deniable weapons for jumping the border and getting into some Sicario type shit. Paddock got infiltrated by an enemy group posing as a spec-ops team needing a hook up and shit went bad from there. Tptb don't want to admit they had black-ops types doing gun deals with shady spooks on the Vegas Strip for nefarious purposes while also endangering a bunch of civilians and they sure as hell don't want to admit they were infiltrated by a counter fit team.

is that what everyone on here believes is the true narrative or just you? that seems abit far-fetched even for this sub

I don't. People seem stuck on the "arms dealer" thing. His brother was saying "one man army". I think Paddock or the body was framed and it could be a false flag. The group could've taken him hostage, brought their own guns, shot, left their stuff and killed him.

The interviews with the brother are really weird. Real I aren't shot like that or happen so quickly without lawyers involved...

Hey man, there is a post floating around conspiracy somewhere that says something about some dudes theorizing in a video that some of the sound signature from the shooting matches up with the sound signature of an m240 or something like that. Maybe get with them and use you mil experience and their tech and see what you can make of it. Sorry to be vague and sorry if it turns out to be s shit post, I just skimmed it and didn't know what to make of it. I'll try and find the post and drop the link, I saw it a couple days ago, but I have to go do some other stuff so forgive me if it doesn't show up or I can't find it.

I've seen videos of bump stock weapons being fired and they don't sound that different from the gunshots in the shooting

I was the tri-pod man on my SAW team and the first thing I thought when I saw the first video was "that sounds like a SAW". My artillery buddy said the same thing "sounds like a SAW".

Mandalay Bay Las Vegas = Manda la(y) Ba(y)La

Labia?

Actually, that´s literally Spanish for ¨send the bullet¨ manda la = send the... bala = bullet

Oh...

I have also shot thousands of rounds through an M240D and the only time I've heard an irregular cyclic rate like that is when I was firing blanks and the carbon builds up in the gas port regulator. Here's a bump fire stock that sounds exactly like the gunmans

https://youtu.be/LRsW04ZDJRs?t=2m19s

what do you thik - people should start carrying guns more?

I'm far from knowing what I'm talking about, but what would be the noise difference in shooting out the window toward the streets, compared to shooting the hallways and shit inside the room? Wouldn't that make the shots a lot more muffled while he was supposedly firing 200 rounds at the security guard? And you can hear on some videos where the shots sounds are clearly different. I'm all for it being a bunch of different reasons, but no one has really talked about how muffled the shots could be shooting inside the room instead of out the window. Also the angle he would have to be leaning out the window, wouldn't that make for most of the shell casings to eject right out the window or hit the frame/curtains? So the shells inside would for sure be from him shooting inside the room obviously but you'd think there would be a ton of casings beneath the window. Right where all the glass should be.

Any "official" narrative is bullshit. The entire thing is a cover-up of a much larger situation. The reason the press conferences seem so scattered is because the police chief has no access to evidence or info.

Social media cracked down because they're integrated with intelligence agencies.

Im no military expert but the first time i hurd that gun fire, my first thought was belt fed aswell. Thanks for your insight.

Have you seen all the eyewitness accounts that were posted here in the days after it happened?

"They" have made the 90% this stupid to ensure this kind of shit squeaks past.

I think the lack of a motive is really concerning to the public and they are not trusting the msm narrative. Like you said this sub has been really active since it happened. I believe the general population is skeptical as well.

You forgot the third option, willingly complicit and ignorant.

It's events like these that open up a can of worms and make you re-examine past and future historical events. For me, that event was over 16 years ago one September morning. Once you take the red pill here no turning back.

iPhone x didn't you here?

stop with the multiple shooter theory. the evidence is stacked against it, it just discredits everything else

Because Paddock was probably a spook who got black-ops teams deniable weapons for jumping the border and getting into some Sicario type shit. Paddock got infiltrated by an enemy group posing as a spec-ops team needing a hook up and shit went bad from there. Tptb don't want to admit they had black-ops types doing gun deals with shady spooks on the Vegas Strip for nefarious purposes while also endangering a bunch of civilians and they sure as hell don't want to admit they were infiltrated by a counter fit team.

You're not far enough down the rabbit hole, "he" did t use any of the guns.

I agree about the crank sound. There's a difference in a crank, bump stock, an full auto for sure.

I couldn’t agree more, but I think it’s pretty obvious they’re full of shit. I asked 5 coworkers and 5 customers at work tonite if they thought he was a lone gunman-not a single one said they really thought he was the one behind the massacre.

I work at Walmart in a town of 11,000 in Missouri

Jesus. This side of the world is a fucking horror show. I can't handle that shit, the thumbnails alone turn my stomach.

EVERYONE watching the initial video at first thought there were two shooters because of the way it sounded. There were echos. There also two different targets.

But the roadies and staff, those guys are related, have probably all talked to each other, and have built a common memory that doesn't necessarily reflect what actually happened.

Yeah please do. And it's not even just animation ones from what I was just linked from another comment. And it's obviously kids watching because the comments aren't even basic sentences in my opinion.

Share the knowledge with people you know if you can. May be difficult, but the people who care about their own kids will take the time to look will understand.