The Vegas Shooting, lets stay focused-
52 2017-10-09 by mjr133113
I love the dedication and effort that this sub has put in to trying to uncover the truth. This is a legitimately growing on people outside of this community, and the average people are highly suspicious of it. Given that, I think it’s important that we focus on asking the important questions (because it’s still so early on), rather than passing off rash conclusions.
Here are some of the most significant questions I have, and that I think we should be asking:
-Why is the story regarding the note changing? First it was suicide, then trajectories, then phone numbers? Why is the story so inconsistent?
-Why were there so many eyewitness accounts of multiple shooters, such as people claiming shooters at other casinos, or witnesses at Mandalay saying moments after that there were multiple gunmen?
-Why did Paddock have so many weapons? Understandable to bring extras in case of overheating or jams, but 19 guns for one person is excessive.
-What was the motive for a retired, wealthy man, with no history of mental illness, to try mass murder hundreds of people?
-What evidence exists to suggest he had an escape plan, and if so, why didn’t he activate it?
Please add any legitimate questions, I know I’m missing a bunch.
And finally, when talking to people who aren’t from this Conspiracy community, let’s make sure we do more asking then theorizing and drawing conclusions (at this state). I’m all for getting the theories out here on this sub, but asking valid and unanswered questions is a better strategy for persuading and spreading curiosity to the average person.
30 comments
1 geo-gee 2017-10-09
Good questions but room #134 was never booked to Paddock.
But it’s a room with a shooters window.
That’s the story.
1 mjr133113 2017-10-09
Wow, could you link me something to support that? If so that’s wild
1 geo-gee 2017-10-09
Occupants FB posts. https://m.imgur.com/gallery/8nW3o
He arrived on his floor (32) I was told to head backdown. https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/newswires/entertainment/latest-guest-vegas-gunman-room-shaken-article-1.3535759
Here is his room #134 next to Stephens with table/camera in front. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/video-shows-crime-scene-at-las-vegas-hotel/2017/10/03/385e9d16-a86f-11e7-9a98-07140d2eed02_video.html?utm_term=.30840bfde823
NYT has layout of floor, I’m not searching for that.
1 smyttiej 2017-10-09
So either he's lying about which room he was in for attention, or just got it wrong
1 geo-gee 2017-10-09
Dude said next door.
Lying for attention I don’t buy.
Also swat breached door between rooms. It was locked.
Why locked if Paddock was going window to window and or booked both rooms?
1 venious 2017-10-09
SWAT breached main suite double doors that led to the hallway. I never heard them mention going between rooms. They also said this suite door was screwed shut.
1 uhyeahokwhateva 2017-10-09
swat breached the double doors into the suite, and then through the connecting door into 134 from inside the suite.
1 chronicligua 2017-10-09
Room 134 is just a bedroom, and one bath. Can be booked by someone booking 135, which is a suite with living room, kitchen, and a ton of space. Go take a look at the room tours at the mandalay bay website. I assumed he had the whole corner, including both bedrooms, but perhaps not.
1 geo-gee 2017-10-09
Bryan Hodge was not lying.
He was the occupant of #134.
1 H0xtinite 2017-10-09
Sensible questions in my /r/conspiracy? No way buddy.
1 mjr133113 2017-10-09
There’s time for both. We can simultaneously ask legitimate questions while theorizing about the whole of it. Just gotta make sure we keep the two separate and stay substantive when talking to others about it, imo
1 uhyeahokwhateva 2017-10-09
https://www.facebook.com/GioRios/videos/1621571671221376/ - just watched this in it's entirety - he's adamant about multiple shooters and the m240 theory. would not go into any cover ups/government involvement (smart) - questions I have from the video are -
What information do they have on the shootings at other locations that night?
What caliber rounds have been pulled from victims?
What do the entry/exit wounds look like in regards to trajectory angle and distance?
Why did the Aussie claim to have room 134?
Why did Paddock's former neighbor in Mesquite, NV call into a radio show to explain he was certain he was not of the demeanor to do something like this? (caller was a Marine who saw combat)
Why is there audio evidence showing different shot patterns occuring simultaneously? (that puts a hole in the echo theories)
Did any major thefts occur at any casinos that night? (Casinos would not report this publicly if so I would imagine, you don't want repeats)
Why was the window in the suite broken out at least 3 minutes (police response time) after the first shots were fired?
Why was the connecting door locked to 134, when that window was where the first shots from Mandalay were fired?
What the fuck happened to the security guard and where is he?
1 natasha2827 2017-10-09
Very good question thanks for linking his video. Facebook deleted quite a few of his posts
1 0zer0-sum 2017-10-09
First 2 volleys not from the Mandalay is interesting... I've seen some information that alludes to the Delano being another site- (reports of a van tearing out of the Delano during the shooting) (no full automatic weapon reported in the room - but the sound seems to be coming from the same direction, in some videos) (reports of shots fired from the Delano)
Taking it with a grain of salt of course, but I'm considering the multiple shooters theory (not necessarily at the same time- but some different weapons for sure)
It's a theory in progress, however I'm more interested in just trying to analyze facts - as few as they are (basically what we know vs what we don't know)
1 uhyeahokwhateva 2017-10-09
What's interesting even further to me about the 2 volleys from a separate location is that NYT interview from the guest in 31134 combined with the pictures showing the suite window not being tampered with until at least 3 minutes following the first shots. If the guest thought they were fireworks at first, until the third volley, being extremely loud and having debris hit his window below.. where were the first 2 volleys? They ask him a leading question 'so the first 2 volleys came from the suite?' and his response was "yeah, yeah" - doublespeak type shit.. like the person being interviewed decided that was the easiest answer to give rather than 'well....' - keep digging for the truth, I'm right there with you.
1 fraac 2017-10-09
Motive: depression/boredom. He didn't have a family and he lives the gambler lifestyle in Vegas. Money is nice but it won't stop you killing yourself.
1 PetyrBaelish 2017-10-09
I would say having money stops a lot more people from killing themselves than having money. And even after saying that there's the tens of millions of people suffering with depression that don't go out and murder dozens of people. But if that's enough to keep you happy then so be it
1 fraac 2017-10-09
Vegas is soul-sucking.
1 PetyrBaelish 2017-10-09
I also didn't want to kill anyone after going there for 6 days(4 days too long) in a row but yes I'm not in his shoes. There's gotta be like one smart phone video or like a web search that'll give us a clue right? Too predetermined to just be snapping imo, but that's what were all trying to figure out
1 fraac 2017-10-09
The police thinking he had help is interesting, as I don't think they had evidence either way at the time. If it weren't for that I'd put my money on depressed gambler.
1 KingKetsa 2017-10-09
I want to see what is on the paper, supposedly it's the range and bullet drop shooting to the concert. This is calculated and I want to know why he killed himself so soon. Why go through all the effort and risk of bringing 23 guns to his room if he's not going to use them all? Or maybe he did use them all?
1 infocom6502 2017-10-09
rense points out that there may be an inconsistency with the corpse, which looks to be lacking a tatoo found on the paddock:
http://rense.com/general96/padneck.html
it looks like this is maybe so; or could possibly the shirt be covering it?
1 xaniesnweed 2017-10-09
i get a nice chuckle everytime i see this 13 tattoo theory lmao
1 infocom6502 2017-10-09
It's possible there are some oddities about that scene. http://rense.com/general96/paddockblood.html
1 LanceBosh 2017-10-09
Here's a question, motive? Gun control? Jewish NWO? I honestly can't think of a reason why this would be a false flag.
1 DoctorPurpleMan 2017-10-09
When did they say the note was a suicide note or contained phone numbers? What the fuck.
Multiple shooters theory has no credibility. It's a circlejerk here.
1 Bob_McTroll 2017-10-09
Many eye witness reports, police scanner stuff and videos with different guns going off at one time.
1 callmebaiken 2017-10-09
rm 35134
why that isn't sticky'd to the top of page 1 is a goddamn disgrace to this sub
1 ssam43 2017-10-09
Some of my family was at the Aria mall and they said there was almost definitely a shooter or multiple shooters there. There are a few videos too of panicked crowds running out. Even a report of store worker during the shooting. There is almost %100 for than 1 shooter all together, probably 2-3 in Mandalay Bay, a few down at the concert, a few at the Aria, and most likely another casino.
1 redditarmyxxx 2017-10-09
How did he bring 19 guns into a hotel without no one nothing? What happened to the girl that said your all going to die ?
1 infocom6502 2017-10-09
It's possible there are some oddities about that scene. http://rense.com/general96/paddockblood.html