Las Vegas Shooting Theory
28 2017-10-13 by Turboegt
My Theory on the Las Vegas shooting.
This is a long read, and a theory based on information that I have pulled from news stories, photographs, and videos I have found on the internet. Everything posted below can be googled, and only came from ‘reputable new sources’.
1: Shooter had 23 firearms in the room.
2: 1000’s of rounds of ammo loaded into a large number of high capacity magazines.
3: Majority of the firearms were fitted with sights used in close quarters fighting.
4: Two of the firearms were fitted with hunting style rifle scopes and a bipod. One of these rifles for sure was a .308 rifle equipped with hunting scope on a bipod.
5: Car filled with Approximately 50lbs of tannerite, and an undisclosed quantity of ammonium nitrate to augment the tannerite blast.
6: Stairwell door to the 32nd floor barricaded.
7: Cameras to film the shooting from the hotel room, but not turned on to record the event.
8: Shooter purchases most of the firearms in October of 2016
9: Shooter Transfers $100,000 to someone in the Philippines days before the shooting.
10: Shooters girlfriend from Philippines and has family there.
11: Shooters girlfriend returns from Philippines a few days after the shooting, interviewed by FBI, has not been seen since.
12: Shooters girlfriend placed on TSA watch list.
13: ISIS claims responsibility for the attack.
14: Investigators deny ISIS connection.
15: ISIS doubles down on connection to attack.
16: Shooter has been scouting multiple music festival venues for just under a year.
17: The shooter has taken multiple trips to the Philippines since at least 2013.
So there has still yet to be a motive publicly released for the attack as of today.
I believe it to be possible this attack was perpetrated by an individual who had ties to ISIS. If this is the case, I think the attack was supposed to have been much larger, and there was supposed to be more shooters involved in the attack.
ISIS has been conducting operations in the Philippines since late 2015, ramped up operations through 2016, engaged in a full scale war by late September / early October 2016, the fighting continues even today.
October 2016 is also when the shooter purchased more than 30 firearms. Prior to this, the shooter was not an avid sportsman, not into firearms by anyone’s account.
For the next eleven months the shooter scouts multiple venues across the United States that would be prime targets of opportunity for a terrorist attack. Music festivals.
Fast forward to Sept 2017.
The shooter settles on a venue on the Las Vegas strip to attack. The shooter secured a hotel room overlooking the venue on the 32nd floor.
About the same time the shooter checks into his hotel room, he also wires $100,000 to his girlfriend who just happens to be in the Philippines, which is the same country engaged in a full on war with ISIS in their borders.
Leading up to the day of the attack, the shooter staged 23 firearms in the hotel room.
Twelve of these firearms were rifles equipped with bump stocks which allow them to function similarly to Automatic weapons.
Two of the firearms in the room were equipped with bipods and hunting scopes. One of these firearms for sure was a .308 without a bump stock per a photo I’ve found online. I would assume the second firearm matched this configuration.
The shooter then loads and stages thousands of rounds of ammunition for the attack.
Prior to the attack:
The shooter barricades the stairwell door leading to one end of the hallway on his floor.
Sets up cameras to record the attack.
Stages a vehicle with 50lbs of tannerite in addition to an undisclosed quantity of ammonium nitrate to augment the blast, and more ammunition in the vehicle.
The shooter then begins setting up surveillance equipment in his room to be able to see who is approaching the room, and who is directly outside his room.
While drilling a hole to setup one of these pieces of surveillance equipment, a security guard happens to hear the drilling and goes to investigate.
As the security guard approaches the hotel room, the shooter opens fire, wounding the security guard.
The shooter panics. Over the course of the next six minutes, the shooter does not open fire on the crowd. Forgets to turn on the recording devices, smashes out two windows of the hotel suite, and eventually opens fire on the crowd below, and shoots at the tanks opposite the venue.
This is where I believe things deviated from the intended plan.
I believe the shooter was caught prior to the plan coming to fruition.
There were 23 firearms in the room, definitely more that one man is capable of operating.
I believe there was supposed to be at least 10-14 additional shooters working with the shooter in the room.
I believe there was supposed to be 12 additional shooters operating the rifles equipped with the bump fire stocks, who were going to head back downstairs to open fire on the crowd.
I believe there was a plan to stage two of the shooters in the hotel room. One staged at each broken window with a .308, equipped with a rifle scope on a bi-pod providing over watch for the shooters on the ground working as snipers, and engage police officers as they approached the venue to buy shooters on the ground more time.
I believe there was supposed to be a team who took the vehicle packed with explosives and position the vehicle next to the fuel tanks opposite the Mandalay Bay, and the concert venue, exit the vehicle and head back the other direction to the crowd and open fire.
I believe the vehicle was then supposed to be detonated next to the fuel tanks to cause a massive explosion/fire to cause casualties, limit escape routes from the venue, and push the crowds back towards the shooters.
I believe when the shooters opened fire on the security guard and the shooters position was given away he made an abort call to the additional personnel, hastily broke out the windows in the hotel, opened fire on the venue, and then took his own life.
This style attack mimics previous ISIS attacks. 10-12 individuals, armed with rifles and explosives, attacking concert venues that we have seen take place in Europe over the past couple of years.
Immediately following the attack ISIS claimed responsibility. While ISIS has been known to exaggerate the damage done during an attack, they don’t typically claim responsibility for attacks they aren’t involved in.
Couple that with the frequent trips taken by the shooter to a nation with a heavy ISIS presence in an active conflict. The $100,000 wire transfer. The frequent trips to the Philippines with the girlfriend who was in the Philippines at the time of the attack. The sheer quantity of firearms in the room. The two broken windows and two high powered rifles on bipods positioned in perfect overwatch positions to support additional shooters on the ground. The fuel tanks, and the car laden with explosives that could have caused enough damage to detonate those tanks if positioned correctly. The previous successful attacks carried out in a similar fashion. The cameras positioned to video the attacks that could have been used for ISIS propaganda that were not switched on. This theory is not out of the realm of possibility.
The security guard who heard the drilling and went to investigate may very well have saved more lives than we could possibly imagine.
There were 20,000 people at the concert.
If this attack had gone as it appears it could have, we could have been looking at death tolls in the thousands.
The security guard is already a hero for his actions, however his actions may have saved countless lives if my theory turns out to be correct.
20 comments
1 GoFyourself2x 2017-10-13
Well written and very possible this could be the truth.
1 Some-Sort-of-IxFx 2017-10-13
Your numbered list didn't format properly. You had to press Enter twice after each line to separate them into a vertical list.
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
Thanks - Fixed
1 IanPhlegming 2017-10-13
Interesting, but high speculation. Thanks for it, though.
1 Tsilhqotin 2017-10-13
This actually makes a lot of sense. Since we've only experienced 1-3 shooters at a time, I can't really remember when it's been 6 at once.. And that's something that would be so catastrophic it would instantly change the entire western world in terms of laws, surveillance, authoritarianism, etc.
Good theory OP
1 spamisakindofmeat 2017-10-13
This is one of the best theories I've read yet, but I'm a little biased - I'm skeptical of how quickly ISIS were ruled out. I mean, it was within the first 24 hours. The Philippines link is truly an important focal point. If this is really the case, then it would make sense that they're keeping the investigation under lock and key - it would mean that they're still trying to find those involved, who are here, freely roaming around in America. Broadcasting any evidence that supports something like this would let those involved know that the authorities are on to them, forcing them back into hiding and making it nigh on impossible to ever find them again. It would also result in the emergence of violent, bloodthirsty vigilante groups that would be a nightmare to control.
1 Atalanta8 2017-10-13
Don't you think that the media would love it if it were ISIS. They LOVE ISIS. Why would they hide the fact that it was ISIC. ISIS would be such a better story than a lone wolf. That's where the whole ISIS theory gets lost on me.
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
It’s entirely possible that the shooter acted on his own, and while executing his evil plan wanted to use all his ‘toys’.
This is a different view that I have not seen discussed, and is not out of the realm of possibility given the quantity of equipment, the depth of planning, and the mystery surrounding the motive.
It’s possible this has not been brought into the public light in order to provide a false sense of security to the others potentially involved, to allow investigators a chance to catch them.
1 marknutter 2017-10-13
No they don’t. They’re so worried about virtue signaling about multiculturalism that they cringe every time one of these attacks happen for fear it might be linked to multiculturalism. The real red meat for the media is right wing violence, as evidenced over the near hysterical fervor over the Charlottesville incident.
1 Atalanta8 2017-10-13
I dunno they sure got jollies out of the Boston bombing.
1 marknutter 2017-10-13
That was years ago, long before identity politics really started to take hold.
1 paper_boy_1 2017-10-13
the fuel tanks were on the airport tarmack... usually hard to get a car there (big concrete bullards)
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
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The fuel tanks are not on the airfield, or very secure. It appears that a chain link fence is all that separates the fuel tanks from the road.
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
It appears not much separates the fuel tanks from the road. Appears to be a chain link fence separating the fuel tanks from the side visible from the Mandalay Bay looking at google earth images.
1 nisaaru 2017-10-13
Isis are CIA and Mossad managed mercenaries.
1 psy_raven 2017-10-13
Nice theory and most seem possible except one aspect of it. I highly doubt ISIS could recruit a 64 year old multi millionaire for their cause. It makes more sense to me that Paddock was a plant/agent/asset for FBI or CIA or Homeland. They were supposed to nab the terrorists right before the act, but something went wrong.
1 NenoRevada 2017-10-13
He's got to be FBI. Rouse was transferred here in Sept. Paddock began buying the weapons in Oct. Rouse is running counterintel in DC, they pick up word about Vegas ISIS plans so Comey sends him here. Paddock is activated.
They screw the door shut from the stairwell to avoid the buyers fleeing that way. Room 134 is the surveillance room. Deal goes south, Paddock killed and shooters open fire, surveillance team doesnt do shit because they'll get waxed. Once backup assaulters arrive, they engage and neutralize, hold off PD until cover scene is set. Break the window in 134 to cover that room being in Marilou's name.
1 KYVX 2017-10-13
One of the most thought-out theories I've read.
What about multiple shooters on the ground? You mention that there were supposed to be firing support on the ground, but I'm 100% convinced that there were at least 3 shooters based on video evidence. How could more than 1 shooter in the crowd fit into this theory?
If you want the videos just let me know, I'll grab all of them and get some links.
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
I’m not sold that personnel were firing from the ground. Of the videos I’ve seen, and eye witness accounts I’ve listened to. None of them were rock solid. Flashes of what looked like a shooter, or someone who sounded confused and bordering on shock.
It’s possible though.
1 BoxWI 2017-10-13
I really like the aborted mission theory. Here's my twist on it:
Isis had 2 plans. 1) they use Paddock, possibly a double agent, as a fall guy. Jesus is in on it, kills Paddock, takes out as many in concert-goers as he can, then fakes heroism. This plan is executed if there is any interference or problems that occur, which is what happened. Maybe Paddock and Campos turned on each other, or maybe something else happened.
2) They wake the dozen or so other sleeper units and execute your plan. This would happen if there wasn't anything that went wrong during setup. Maybe this happens if Paddock is deemed 100% legit ISIS and passes a final test with Campos interaction.
So they went for mayhem but settled for a patsy killing spree because Paddock wasn't trusted completely at that point.
1 loganx88x 2017-10-13
This makes more sense than the rest. The other actors (wolves) easily blend back into the crowd. Your argument is very valid, thanks for the good read!
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
Thanks. I enjoyed putting it together.
1 YaMuthasOnion 2017-10-13
WOW! Well thought out, plausible (sadly), and you clearly differentiate between 'widely accepted facts' and your own theories/ideas/timeline. Anyone who wants to have a thread taken seriously should use this post as a reference. Damn fine job, OP; damn fine indeed.
1 marknutter 2017-10-13
Greg writeup! I also believe ISIS is behind it and wrote my own post about it a few days ago if you’re interested. Still seems like the most plausible motive given the information we have so far.
1 Turboegt 2017-10-13
I had a thought today about the Las Vegas Shooter.
If he was planning on shooting when he did, why didn’t he barricade the door to his room?
He took the time to barricade the stairwell door to his floor, but didn’t barricade the door to his room to prevent access?
It doesn’t make sense.
1 Atalanta8 2017-10-13
I dunno they sure got jollies out of the Boston bombing.