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Yes, and it originated in Russia of all places! https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-flat-earth-emmy-awards-/28773764.html

There aren't a lot of mentions of "flat Earth" in the CIA FOIA database... But this one is pretty cool...

https://i.imgur.com/1gz8J4X.png

I'd guess the origins of the conspiracy are religious though.

I think that's exactly what it started as. It seems to be perpetuated by organized shills of some sort, whether they be actual paid intelligence assets, groups of LARPers/trolls, or a combination thereof. But unfortunately, there are plenty of dupes who honestly believe their BS, too.

Yeah there's a lot of psychology being used.

Even in that comic they mention a lot of legitimate investigatable conspiracy in with nonsense so you equate them all as nonsense.

Flat earth is easy to disprove but a great psyop since I imagine they rope in a lot of creationists etc. Which give it steam.

Other times they can take legit conspiracy and slide or subvert the message essentially setting up a strawman; this has happened with Monsanto Gmo's and health concerns around vaccines pushed through by the Fda.

I think a lot of people here are of the opinion that anything they don't personally believe or agree with is the work of some clandestine group looking to discredit them. The truth is almost always, no, someone just disagrees with you. I don't personally see how anyone could possibly believe the Earth is flat, but then again I don't see how anyone could possibly believe a lot of things.

Yeah, I've thought flat earth was a discrediting technique for a while. Not only is it scientifically verifiable that the Earth is round, but, as far as I can tell, no one benefits from lying and saying the Earth is round when it is actually flat.

I find it somewhat annoying to see pseudo sciences poppin' up so much in this sub. But I do believe earth ain't a perfect sphere.. I think Earth is more oval; or pear shape. Tomorrow we might find out more with that announcement about those gravitational waves! Personally quite excited over said announcement :) Since that theory seems to check out; it only makes sense that it has stretched Earth. Which is why I think it's more pear shape than a sphere..

There are outerspace scans that show the earth is a weird lump. Not really a spehre, not really a pear, just really... lumpy. Kinda like Lumpy Space Princess from Adventuretime.

Could be, aint like the gravitational waves just come from one specific region out in space. So it beeing lumpy makes sense. I lean somewhat more toward pear due to the big bang theory i suppose. But given enough time; lumpy makes sense.

Neil degrass Tyson suggested the earth was pear shaped. Which debunks the nasa photos from the moon which show a perfect circle earth. Also if there are parts of earth that are different distances away from the core shouldn't gravity be slightly different in said places?

As you go down into the Earth; gravity actually becomes less... At the core it's 0... We don't understand gravity entirely yet at this point; it's theory. Newton's law doesn't explain why it happens, it does explain what happens. That's why it's a Law. It's a natural Law (still flawed tho but close enough lol). But he never truely explained why. Einstein his relativity theory is just that, a theory; Not yet a fact. If scientists can't seem to agree; what do you expect from a random redditer? :D

Nothing is stopping FE scientists from coming up with an alternative model.

The problem is there is no model that even comes close to explaining the way our universe behaves.

We can down to centimeters know how objects will interact over vast distances, we know exactly how gravity interacts with itself perfectly.

The mechanism hasnt been proven but its not like we dont know how this shit works.

Isn't that what I said? We know how it works, not why. There's a difference. :) if you haven't yet, look into today announcement about the merging of two neutron stars! Pretty big news.

Neil degrass Tyson suggested the earth was pear shaped. Which debunks the nasa photos from the moon which show a perfect circle earth.

Its 21km thicker around the equator than it is from pole to pole.

This is a .3% deviation. Its smoother than a pool ball. How can you tell from a photo what a .3% deviation looks like?

You are not familiar with the shape of a pear are you?

Im very familiar with a pear.

Are you familiar with an oblate spheroid, which is the description he used?

After he said oblate sphere he clarified the statement by saying actually it's more pear shaped. Which is not a oblate sphere

Im not sure if you are aware of who Tyson is but he is a popular scientist known for simplifying complicated ideas.

He compared the shape of the planet to that of a pear, as in its not a perfect circle.

Do you have a point to this or are you nit picking what Tyson said?

You're the one commenting on a day old comment. You just wanna regurgitate something you read and feel like you're smart. Guess what guy, you are not smart. If you were, you would know you are not. Now piss off.

Someone is salty...

You just wanna regurgitate something you read and feel like you're smart. Guess what guy, you are not smart. If you were, you would know you are not. Now piss off.

Thats how knowledge works... Dont get pissed at me because you havent studied every facet of every science. Im willing to bet you never bothered to do research into virology or bacteria but you most likely believe they exist. Im also willing to bet you have never been behind the wheel of an electron microscope but you probably dont think computers are magical. Have you ever seen an electron move through a logic gate in a CPU? How can you know for sure that is whats happening? Youve never bothered to look deeply into it have you, but you still believe that bacteria is real and your computer is powered by pixie dust, right?

Show me how you calculated the shape of the Earth and why your methodology is superior.

I know more about this than you.

Wow, you are dense. Neil said the earth was pear shaped, not me. How did he determine this? I don't know and I don't care because I think he is full of shit. You think you are some kind of intellectual but you are just a regular moron.

Neil said the earth was pear shaped, not me.

Oooh you guys are on a first name basis?

He said the Earth was an oblate spheroid then compared it to the shape of pear.

How did he determine this?

The same way everyone else did. GPS data and gravitational measurements.

I don't know

Well duh... Its pretty clear you dont know what youre talking about.

and I don't care because I think he is full of shit.

Why do you think he is full of shit? What part of this is incredulous to you?

You think you are some kind of intellectual but you are just a regular moron.

Yeah I think Im pretty average.

You still havent even bothered to explain why you dont believe this or what evidence you dont believe.

Again, I dont think youve spent more than 5 minutes figuring this shit out.

He said bigger on bottom and smaller on top. That is not an oblate spheriod.

Let's see this gps data and gravitational measurements you speak of.

You are laughably ignorant.

That is not an oblate spheriod.

Your ignorance is showing, again... Look up the definition of oblate spheroid. The Earth bulges in the middle, its not a perfect circle.

Let's see this gps data and gravitational measurements you speak of.

Oh... so you really havent bothered to even look...

https://explorer.earthengine.google.com/#search/tag:landsat

Heres the most approachable way to view the data, google makes the datasets available to everyone.

You can grab specific dataset from NASA here

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/DatasetQuery.jsp

Here is another good place to start if you arent familiar with Geodesy.

https://geodesy.noaa.gov/

You are laughably ignorant.

Says the man who hasnt responded to anything Ive brought up.

Your whole argument boils down to "No its not!"

You are a moron. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would realize the futility of trying to argue with a random faceless person on the internet.

Seriously I'm done. Good day stop wasting my time arguing about what Neil thinks.

You are a moron.

And yet you can't or won't bother to respond to what I'm saying. You just sling insults as if that will work.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would realize the futility of trying to argue with a random faceless person on the internet.

No skin off my back. It's a slow day at the office and it's pretty easy to shut down a FEer

Seriously I'm done. Good day stop wasting my time arguing about what Neil thinks.

Alright bud, just please do a little research you could save yourself a lot of embarrassment

What did you want me to respond too? You've been arguing against Neil deGrass this whole time.

And now I'm a FEer? When the fuck did that happen?

Wait... are you retarded?

He called it an oblate spheroid and you are the one saying he is wrong.

How am I arguing against him?

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The fact that you are trying to discredit the flat earth movement for being a tool to discredit "conspiracy theories" on a whole is absurd. What you have done, like many people, is been able to see the falsehood of an narrative given to you by your government(Vegas). This is good, however what you and many people tend to do is fail to connect the dots and see how it and MANY (not all) conspiracies are actually connected together. And what I mean by that is if you look into the Apollo 11 moon landing and see how it was indeed faked (just like all NASA propaganda) you will then wonder why? This will lead you to the cusp of the rabbit hole of truth. If you are hung up on flat earth being false that is fine (for now) but continue to research and use your common sense to further educate yourself on the other branches of Conspiracy. Once you have exposed enough truths you will be able to understand some truths you refused to see.

one can't discredit skepticism - it's unpossible.

What is this "conspiracy movement" people are suddenly talking about. Free thought isn't a political ideology.

That almost deserves it own thread.

I believe Flat Earth is deliberately there to discredit legitimate theories, yes. I investigated the Flat Earth thing because once I'd workedout I'd been lied to by the media about everything, I was genuinely like 'anything could be true.' So I looked into it, and I think Flat Earth is different from legitimate theories in a number of ways.

The biggest thing about Flat Earth that first of all suggests it just isn't at all true, just from a reasoning stand point (not even looking at all the evidence of a spherical Earth, of which there is an enormous amount) is that there would be nothing to gain from lying about the shape of the earth. The shape of the earth has not impact on anyone's day to day life, it doesn't matter if it's round or flat, there's no reason to lie about it, much less expend inordinate resources and manpower on keeping the lie going for centuries. The only explanation I ever get when I point this out, is that it's to convince us that god isn't real. Which is ridiculous, because why does a round earth mean god isn't real? The two things aren't mutually exclusive and billions of people believe in God while accpeting that the planet is round.

Secondly, the number of people who pressure alternative media to talk about Flat Earth is insane. So many channels on You Tube who report on genuine conspiracies and genuine state crimes and genuine lies end up feeling they have to mention something about Flat Earth to capitulate to the number of comments they get from people telling them they're shit or they aren't really telling the truth etc, because they're not talking abotu Flat Earth, which obviously makes some YouTubers feel they have to address the subject, even if they find it ridiculous, because they're seeing so many comments about it and they fear losing subscribers. No other 'conspiracy theory' gets so much of this in Youtube comments as does Flat Earth, and that leads me to belive that it's deliberately there to both force legitimate channels into mentioning it and also so that 'normies' who might be thinking 'hey this guy/gal is onto something' will then look at the comments and see that this is the type of people who watch and believe this stuff, and will automatically retreat from opening their minds and dismiss everything else the channel puts out, or similar channels talking about other 'conspiracy' issues, tarring it all with the same brush. The brush of being insane and having lost your grip on reality to such an extent that you believe the government will lie to you about absolutely anything, just for the sake of lying. because if Flat Earth were true, that is what would be going on - TPTB would be lying about the shape of the Earth just for the sake of it. So of course it's insane, and people are driven away from legitimate subjects by the mention of it.

I'm sure there are some people who really believe it's true, but they must be people who've never gone in a plane or thought very hard about it.

Let's see the enormous amount of evidence for a sphere earth. This is one of the things flat earthers debate. The lots of accepted and unquestioned facts about the sphere model, or heliocentrism fall apart under scrutiny. And the sphere earthers do the least amount of work to prove their own theories, just accept it as a unconditional fact. And then project their own absolute trust in the theory to find faults in the flat earth community. Not every one trusts the same things. Though it's not the flat earthers fault they exist I. World where people do just blindly accept what they are shown, and can't fathom they would be being lied to on a mass scale. Ironically when on a forum that's sole purpose is to expose how we are being lied to on a mass scale.

Is the possibility that the earth is flat a Frightening concept to some? Personally I find the current Theories in play that are accepted to be frightening, and detrimental to the human consciousness. Evolution, big bang, and heliocentrism, in addition to a fake space agency has a actually made the world a dystopian perception.

The lots of accepted and unquestioned facts about the sphere model, or heliocentrism fall apart under scrutiny.

Such as? I find FE debaters seem to confuse holes with the current model and simply not being educated on the subject.

Whats the biggest flaw with the Spherical heliocentric model?

Though it's not the flat earthers fault they exist in a World where people do just blindly accept what they are shown, and can't fathom they would be being lied to on a mass scale.

I would argue that we dont need NASA or the government to understand the shape of our Earth.

Then add to that we have multiple private space corporations who corroborate the current paradigm. If the world were flat you would think the power that be would discourage space travel as much as possible, not hand out contracts to source the next generation of rockets.

Is the possibility that the earth is flat a Frightening concept to some?

It frightens me that people can research the Earth to the level we have now and still think the earth is flat. That is what scares me about the FE movement.

lol provide preer reviewed proof for a flat earth.

You asked what there would be to gain by lying and I'd like to weigh in:

Control. They get to control the "truth" and it will then allow them to construct the knowledge of the future as they see fit. Hence the systemic corruption of institutions such as education, science and politics.

Also you really do not have any idea what the implications of lying about it are. Could it be that they would not want scientists to consider a firmament as Nikola Tesla did in order to create his Free Energy?

There's definitely reasons to lie out there and I'd suggest going further down the rabbit hole.

Flat earth is legit and Vegas was a hoax event. You guys just aren't awake enough / far enough down the rabbit hole.

All I see in this forum is people parroting that flat earth is a psyop, with nothing to substantiate that claim. Tell a lie often enough...

brb people actually believe we live on a spinning ball earth - the rotation has never been seen outside of NASA trickery, likewise with the shape. Never seen a curved horizon outside of fish eye lens.

the rotation has never been seen outside of NASA trickery

Aside from the coriolis effect, focault pendulums, and gyroscopes, sure.

You literally have to ignore certain aspects of the world to justify what you wrote.

Ive said this for at least a year. Was way to fast pushed, and i really mean pushed down the throats of everyone hanging on these circles. And everyone that pushes it seems so ignorant, there are no room for discussion

Of course the earth is flat? How else would it fit in the cd slot???

Just throwing this out there.... the first time I ever heard of flat earth it was written in a porta potty at Euphoria, a music festival outside Austin TX. Planting that seed in people's head while they're tripping would be a good way to rope in the dumb dumbs

All I know about conspiracies is what I see from lurking here every so often. I don't know anything about lizard people, but I see that thrown in with flat Earth a lot when people try to make anyone questioning a narrative to be "crazy conspiracy people."