I understood he called it in on his cell phone to keep radio traffic clear and available for coordination of a response.

Kind of makes sense, I suppose? I listen to the police scanner sometimes for fun, but I'm not a cop or a security guard.

No that's fucking stupid. If I'm on the job like that, and the guys on the other end of the radio are going to be able to get to me and help me the fastest, I'm calling it in on the radio.

Right? That's what I'm not getting. Using the radio just seems like the immediate thing to do. It's already in your hand. Why take the time to take your phone out and dial when you can just push a button and say "Send Help." But, like I said, I'm not a cop. I thought maybe there's some reason to switch from radio to cell phone that someone who is a cop or security guard could explain.

I interpreted it as he called the shooter in over the radio, but then called with his cell phone to say he had been shot, as he did not want questions about his injuries to be saturating radio traffic. I personally would have been hollering that I got shot over the radio, but I can actually understand his reasoning.

People are going to downvote you (and me) but if you watch it again this is literally what he said he did, this sub has gone off the rails a bit though and dont accept what they hear, everything is a lie to them.

Do you really think someone with a radio would be like "nah fuck it, gonna use my cell phone" after getting shot? These people communicate daily over the radio. Makes no sense.

I dont know, Im not going to speculate on what I would do in a situation Ive never been in, lots of things may not make sense in your mind, but it might have made sense to him at the time, nothing really that strange about it.

Youre grasping at straws

I totally agree! He called down to say there were shots fired, but failed to mention he took a bullet? Then continued to "help" clear the area with a hole in his leg? Total nonsense!

Maybe he was just grazed by the bullet? Possible.

Perhaps...

I'd be interested to hear from a real cop whether or not they'd allow a wounded rent-a-cop to hang around and mix with LE during an active shooter situation like that. Strikes me as odd.

Would he be on a stack clearing rooms? Absolutely not. Would they take advantage of him potentially having an access to communications and doorways? Maybe. Would they let him mingle knowing he was wounded? Most likely not.

In a major terrorist incident no less! Sure, rentacop, you are deputy FBI for the day.

I was just going to say this... We've all been assuming he was completely laid out with a bullet, but maybe he was grazed near his ankle or something (that'd account for his being ok with resting his arms where he is). But then, if he really was a hero, why not do more? Shots were being fired a very long time; enough time for him to do something? Maybe he was just really shaken.

Isn't the bullet still inside his leg?

That is the story I remember hearing.

I'm sure that story has changed by now....everything else has.

anyone know if there a full of this show?

https://streamable.com/u95l9

If after watching this, no 'real news' journalist doesn't dig into what really happened... then we really do have no journalists left. A guy goes on a show with ties to the Casino, answers minimal questions that he's been coached on... and the guy on the couch with him appears to be steering the entire thing. Tell me at 1:30 he doesn't signal Ellen to get the prop out... and near the end... the double tap on the leg tells Jesus, you're done. He doesn't speak after that.

Forget what he says, look at the bigger picture of how the Casino has completely staged what we're learning.

Goddamn it's 1984

It was hiding itself before but they aren't even hiding anymore

Like I said during the election, say what you want about Trump but he certainly was the catalyst that ended up showing everyone's true colors.

Yup. People are upset he is ruining the illusion and showing what politicians are really like.

Their anger is so misguided. Be mad at the system that have the job to Trump, not Trump who played a broken system.

Dicks fuck pussies. But dicks fuck assholes too. That's what I think about trump.

Okay, why is this being downvoted. I'm making a joke to agree with the op, using a quote from the movie Team America. I think that metaphors aptly describes what we see happening currently. The movie has held up well.

Every time I see one of these follow up posts or edits whining about downvotes I want to downvote. Even IF I agree. It just seems so silly.

Yeah, in hindsight, I should have just made an edit to the post explaining the joke. At the time I just had -10 downvotes after just an hour, and I was irritated that I was being blindly downvoted because people mistook the joke for a jab at trump.

Yeah, anyway should have just made an edit to the comment. I didn't intend to wine just wanted to make myself clear.

I do agree that follow up posts that just wine about downvotes are annoying. I think my comment had more substance to it than that though.

all this is why I didn't downvote you at all. I left it neutral because I liked your original point, caught the reference and laughed. then the next comment. just stand behind your comment. the points don't matter.

That can be said for any politician

Are they not hiding it or are we now aware of their bullshit?

Definitely a mix of the two for different people

The way he's touching Campos intersecting with WHEN he touches - those are STFU touches.

Note when Ellen says he's a hero and they turn the applause sign on - Campos hangs his head and looks at the floor, and rubs his head anxiously, which prompts Ellen to touch his arm and try to get him to look up and look less sad. His body language is guilty and sad throughout, and his recounting of events has a lot to unpack against whatever the current LE narrative is.

Have you read the award plaque they gave him? It details what supposedly happened and it is the original timeline that has since been rejected two times.

Is the award a sham, is the official story a sham, or are they both?

The award appears to be photoshopped along with him in the other photo standing with the 4 guys. Save it and throw it into forensic photo. Also, the original save time of the photo was October 9th and last saved in Photoshop. The award ceremony was on the 10th supposedly.

Maybe they conducted a rehearsal for the awards banquet thing, there for the date would be prior to the 10th..?

I'm just spit balling possibilities, not dismissing the claim of date change or photoshop.

I don't think there was anything to be rehearsed.. there was about 5 people at the event. There wasn't any media present, nothing. Also the GPS cache from the iPhone pic shows it was taken in the high roller section of a casino (don't recall name).

I think there was a lot to be rehearsed

Bravo

I can agree with that lol

You'd think the government would hire good photo shoppers but I guess that's what happens when you don't let people that smoke weed work for you.

They're not using the best.

Did you see that liberation picture at the top of the front page yesterday where homegirl was blatantly jagged edged compared to everything else in the picture?

I did not but link please ? I don't really go on reddit except a few places.

All/Top for the week: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMV41qCW0AAcIT7.jpg

Look even at the flag vs the girl and also her placement in the picture

As real as a 3$ bill.

Looks like they could have masked the people in front and over sharpened them. Check the flag, only a small part connected to girl is over sharpened, test looks natural. That looks likely legit.

As someone who smokes weed and Photoshop I'd like to say, uh, what were we talking about?

Is that the band-aid picture?

He does have a mysterious bandage on yes, above the left eye. I can link the thread or tweet need be.

I mess up timestamps on my computer often. These things happen when the clock on the system is funky. Which, dammit, happens too often for me. Surely not the only one.

But yah, that photo does look fake as fuck.

It was taken on an iphone...

I keep hearing this and I want to beleieve it but can we get some concrete proof?

The way he's touching Campos intersecting with WHEN he touches - those are STFU touches.

Never thought of it that way. Something to consider.

My somewhat meaningless observations of this...interview, if you could call it that:

Is the bullet still in Campos's thigh? As I understand it, he has yet to seek medical attention (he never went to a hospital in the following days of the shooting) There wasn't much of a limp in his approach to the stage. The bullets I am aware of are on that of Campos's forehead in the form of sweat.

For someone who is regarded as a hero, he certainly doesn't conduct himself as of someone being praised for his achievements and bravery, instead, he slouches over himself, his body language is awful, and I think never cracks a smile in spite of a celebratory interview in which you get to recount how you are said hero.

A Twitter comment makes note that Campos has no problem resting his body weight for the duration of the interview on his injured leg.

I think we listen to Ellen herself speak of the matter more so than both of the men combined who were physically there and to top what is a joke of an interview even moreover, she goes on to say that Campos will not speak of this again.

Ellen emphasis they Campos didn't want compensation in exchange for the interview - dispelling what some claimed to be his holding out for the highest bitter - leaving me wondering why he wouldn't like any normal human being out there would not take to every social media platform to disclose your account of the event and offer your corner of the truth.

Again, my meaningless observations.

For someone who is regarded as a hero, he certainly doesn't conduct himself as of someone being praised for his achievements and bravery, instead, he slouches over himself, his body language is awful, and I think never cracks a smile in spite of a celebratory interview in which you get to recount how you are said hero.

That behavior could be pretty typical for people with survivor's guilt. If there is no conspiracy at all, I'm sure he feels guilty that he didn't do enough to prevent 500 people from getting shot after him. I'm sure it'll eat him up for awhile.

To add to that maybe he's a weird guy everybody knows strange people nervous people anxious people I mean could you go on Ellen today and be all look what I can do

I totally question the entire narrative, but I would hate to be called out for being a hero period.

Same I think the story is bullshit, but I would be weird as shit if I was on Ellen being called a hero. I would feel awkward as shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvbFMGmImg

This is the first thing I thought of as well. Thank you.

From the latest timeline, he seems to be the opposite of a hero. Everyone calling him hero has to suck really bad for him.

Where do you get 500 people being shot? AFAIK most injuries were due to trampling and only a handful of injuries were from bullets

Or injured or whatever. A recent Newsweek article stated that most hospitals reported treating a majority of the victims that came in for gunshots, and the total number of injured has risen close to about 700 total. Maybe it's not quite 500 who were shot, who knows? I'm not following this that closely, and no single source has really distinguished themself as a credible source of information to begin with.

If u go by the shot count and if all of those bullets that people thought were second shooters were really bullets striking metal and concrete than there is no chance in hell that 558 people were struck.

I don't think survivors guilt is a real thing. I would be sad for the people but happy as fuck I was alive.

It's not going to do you any good to be dead too. Maybe he's just sort of a downbeat type of individual. Plus, this shit has got to be nerve racking as hell. Especially, if they are asking him to make up some bullshit ass story and agree with it in front of Ellen and millions of people.

Mutherfucker should be gettin' PAID. Which I think he is.

It’s fucked up to say, but I hadn’t considered this

Maybe he was having a parasympathetic nervous response to being in front of a huge crowd and millions of viewers for the first time. He seems to me to be incredibly introverted, and I'd say even the most glorious extroverts would be a bit taken aback.

Do extreme introverts typically work securely guard jobs? Seems like part of the job would involve potential confrontations which is the opposite of what I would expect an introvert to be suited for.

I would say yes, some do. I've known a fair amount of police and security, and their personalities are quite varied. Lots are on the introvert scale.

Yeah, most of that job is sitting around, making rounds and not really interacting with anyone

I have literally never met a normal security guard in my life. The overwhelming majority of them are trained to call the police and do nothing else because of liability.

The quieter you are, the more you are able to hear.

You could be right but there are points which have nothing to do with being an introvert and more directed at Schuck and also what he says. Introverts can still speak.

He makes it pretty clear in this interview and through his actions over the past few days, he is not happy, he wants this to be over with, he does not want attention, he is not a public speaker, he comes off fairly shy, I do not understand why any of this seems odd at all. He is a regular guy who wishes this didn't happen and probably wishes he never had to be involved. Would not be surprised if survivors guilt was an issue too.

Redditor for 25 days....

those assertive qualities you mentioned sure would make him a fantastic security guard..

In a media driven world where being a hero means talk shows and money, it takes real courage to not want to be the hero. I think Campos does not want to be in the spotlight and does not agree himself with the story thats being put out there.

I mean if what he is saying is true and he didn't call t in for some dumb reason, I would feel an immense amount of guilt

Great catch on those cues. That's painful now to watch and see how coordinated this effort is, the way Schuck reaches behind Campos to signal to Ellen, you can even watch her start to pick up on the signal as she then grabs the board. The double tap was just bad. It was definitely not for comforting Campos, it was blatantly a signal.

I keep saying this but this has happened before last time was 9/11, when the media intentionally fails to do their job of investigative journalism and putting truth above all motives.

The hard truth is, people don't want their happy little lives to be disrupted by uncomfortable truths and realities. They're fine with the narrative changing 24/7 in real-time until it finally fits. As long as they don't go hungry, get to watch YouTube and check their Facebook feeds, they're fine with it all.

"As long as everything goes according to plan." - Joker

All my whats. Dude on the couch was the maintenance guy. Really, tell me right now you think the maintenance guy was coaching him for some nefarious reason.

The interview was not staged. It was rehearsed. All interviews have an element of rehearsal. They all knew the fucking prop was coming out.

It's clear to me that Campos is still fucked up from getting shot and being the center of attention. Give the guy a break. If he was really practicing the lines the feds gave him for three goddamn weeks... You'd think he'd do a better job.

The only thing the casino is doing is trying to cover their own ass. That kind of shit doesn't go unnoticed.

Some people's kids, I swear. Be logical. Use actual facts to back up your delusional bullshit. Ockham's razor. Look for the simplest solution. The real story, I guarantee you, will not involve ISIS or shoped fucking ear lobes.

Also. Please don't imply that the casino has the ultimate power to control the entire narrative of this particular event.

Come back to the light. We need you in the real world.

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1383-george-soros-investment-fund-bought-puts-on-1-35-million-mgm-stocks-60-days-before-attack-at-mgm-mandalay-bay-in-las-vegas

Edit: took about 20 minutes to go negative with the downvotes. Really?

Use actual facts to back up your delusional bullshit.

It's not always what you're saying. It's how you're saying it.

Calling someone's idea or theory "delusional bullshit"is rude, disrespectful, and unnecessary. There are many other ways you could have gotten your point across.

Did you really think that wouldn't earn you at least some downvotes?

You're right. I appreciate you calling me out.

When is the double tap?

After they got him out the back of the studio and just before he 'commits suicide'.

Duh... I meant in the video... there was a double tap on the knee to signal he was done... I didn’t see ur

Just a bit of dark sarcasm man.

6:50

Thanks!

This situation has been fucking with me. I really don't understand how this charade has kept going...

Reminds me of the sheriff during the press conferences with the FBI guy who looked like he should've had a gun to the sherriffs head the way he was looking at him

Prepare to realise we have no real journalists left.

She fucking does! He sees Campos is struggling off piste, signals to her by touching Campos' back (pre agreed sign) and then stops as soon as Ellen goes for the prop (he stops unnaturally soon if offering sympathy). Now, you could argue she was going to do it anyway, but she looks at Schuck then acts excitedly at the prop. So it all seems mistimed by totally rehearsed. In any case the whole interview has the opposite effect of it's intended purpose. It just make everything even more fucked up.

Funnily enough, comments are disabled for that interview on Ellen's channel. Guess they didn't want people pointing out the obvious.

Also note how everyone has been talking shit about Jesus ditching his interviews and look just yesterday appears on one...bs. I really don't doubt they're monitoring forums to keep suspicion down. Who the fuck knows anymore

Not to mention that this "building engineer" wasn't mentioned until at least a week after the incident, unless I missed it somewhere.

Yes, if you believe anything about the Vegas shooting you are living in fantasy land. The story being presented is a falsehood. That is why it isn't consistent. Likely we won't see anything more about the LV Shooting on MSM now that Campos finally made his appearance. They want you to move along and believe in the deaths, be programmed to believe that this is happening and can happen at any moment. Hope you can see it for what it is.

Define “believe anything about”. Are you one of those “crisis actors/Isis/fbi/paddock wasn’t the shooter/arms deal gone bad” type or do you actually look at things rationally and logically? Please tell me what actually happened and back it with facts.

This is the saddest excuse of a post. I pray to god this is a bot and not a real person disrupting the conversation. You have dignity, your life has worth...you are better than this...

Why are you here? Not trying to be a dick but a sincere question... Why's ew you here? Every comment you've made is "nothing to see here folks". This sub is for questioning the narrative. If you don't want to do that and want to put down people who do, get the fuck out.

So what do you consider looking at things logically? Come on enlighten us because right now people don't even know if you're human or a bot from the silly comment you just made.

Yeah, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. Or I'd be making post instead of reading them. Thanks, for looking out.

Nitpicking is one thing, but nobody here is required to be a "conspiracy theorist" (whatever that means).

Honestly it's baffling how controlled this forum is and this is the ONLY place where this event can be broken down logically. What a clusterfuck of a country. No one died, I mean holy shit. The Dan Bilzerian narrative? LMAO. OK.

I'm not so convinced no one died but some fuckery did take place.

Just finished watching the Ellen clip. No serious questions asked or answered and it only brings up more questions that need to be asked. Complete fraud.

Aside from the fact that what he says is quite literally just gibberish... yeah, doesn't make any sense that he wouldn't call that in immediately.

Duh! He IS the hero, why not radio tat in...I get to sit with local PD and SWAT before saying, "hey, I was hit early, but I wanted to make sure all floors were cleared"....BS

Utter bullcrap. I can't believe anyone would make that decision immediately after being SHOT.

So much could be cleared up to the public with a few pictures. Show us how paddock barricaded the door. Show us the note that was once was described as cryptic numbers and later described as a range card. If they truly believe this is an open and shut one shooter case release of this material would not harm a non existent investigation. So why all the weird press releases. Why Ellen? That's really fucked up. This stinks so bad.

cleared up to the public

I think part of the problem is that the vast majority of "the public" is satisfied. It's a vast minority of people who are clamouring for more evidence.

Just wondering - what makes you think the vast majority of public is satisfied? Do you think it's because people have stopped talking? I know at my work it never comes up anymore, and we often talk about current affairs.

Most people have moved on. We have a very short attention span. And I believe the American people are completely brainwashed. I can't imagine being family of someone who was killed during this....I would be livid with the lack of investigation and the crazy timelines.

what makes you think the vast majority of public is satisfied?

They clearly are, because the leaps in logic one needs to make turn this event into something more are just massive. Due mostly to the location, the city, the time line and just tons of random people shooting what amounts to hours of video that all match up with each other. Don't get me wrong, I think like any good conspiracy theory there is wiggle room here. Maybe the hotel covering their ass, maybe some other issues we have not even thought about.

if this shooting had happened to people walking out of a club at 2am in down Chicago or Miami then sure, way more room to flex into some of the more let say creative ideas.

but Vegas? A city with a million cameras and a shooter in a dead end room on the 32nd floor and no where to go. Ok fine the FBI etc has not come forward and dropped hours of raw footage on the public but most of us do NOT think the police, even at a federal level, are out to kill/hurt the population. So I'm pretty confident the FBI, even if they don't share it, have tons of footage of the shooter. Then you have all the random people who filmed the event so we have a decent (and short) time line. That is so rare for events of this nature. Most of the time a person can pitch anytime line they want to fit even the most out there narrative, can't do that in this case.

Theories of other shooters at other locations might fly if it was 10-15 people at a random Dennys in Stockton CA, but it's in Vegas. It's 1000+ people every few blocks with 100s on the street at all times of the night. Sort of hard to do anything and not have tons of witnesses. No look I get it's fun to kick around idea but if one looks at this objectively it's pretty hard to believe most of the ideas people are coming up with right now.

Well yeah. No one I have talked to in real life has any notion that the news/the FBI is lying to us about it.

Ellen: "i know that youve had so many people asking you to tell the story about this and to talk about what happened, and i understand your reluctance because you just want this to be over. so you're talking about this now and NOT gonna talk about it again..."

Hey have "football" tickets. Yay

I saw that giant cheque come out and I didn't even know what was going on anymore

So much could be cleared up to the public with a few pictures.

The public doesn't see this as a problem, and no one cares what the users of r/conspiracy think about anything. No matter what anyone says, does, or releases, this subreddit will be filled with allegations of fakery and crisis actors and god knows what else. They don't even need to be specific allegations, saying something seems "off" is enough for a capital case here. This sub made up its collective mind within seconds of hearing the news.

They really botched the narrative by allowin 'Jesus Campos.' He is the only character that throws off the rest of the narrative and he is completely unnecessary to tying anything together. In fact, he is just a liability throughout all of this if you do not subscribe to the official story. This guy has no purpose and is the result of overthinking the drill on the behalf of the authorities, which begs the question, who is this guy really? He is not quite fictional and he is not quite who he says he is.

He is not quite fictional and he is not quite who he says he is.

To be fair I think of myself this way sometimes too.

My girlfriend just told me I'm not who I told her I was initially. She still cares for me but she thinks of me differently than I see myself. She thinks I'm quick to anger and I think I am rational and calm, the issue is she can never admit when she is wrong which has led to a ridiculous amount of frustration after 20 months. People see shit differently though.

Does she turn her problems into yours? Like blame you for what she did wrong?

Sometimes but not often. Mostly just complete and utter inability to look inward, zone in on your mistakes, reflect and grow. She is so closed minded and has to have everything her way. There is a ton of great qualities about her too but I've never met someone who never one time said sorry to me after dating for 20 months. Like not every argument was started by me, but every single one was fixed by me, and that's very frustrating.

It's like we dated the same girl. I know exactly how you're feeling. I was in the same situation, never got apologies for anything. I shouldn't be just handing out advice like a counselor, but it will only get worse the more serious you guys get. Take it for what it's worth though, I only know so much.

It fucking has I feel like my balls are in her handbag and I haven't gotten laid in two months. I'm getting really frustrated, I do love her, but I don't think she will ever be the woman that I'm like ya that's my soulmate. Its so hard to respect someone when they see me, all the time in a relationship, apologize and kiss ass when I know i am in the right but do it to be a peace maker. But if I'm bothered about something she doesnt give a fuck, turns it around in a million different ways. My issues are never important so here I am cooking dinner for her and she's not even gonna appreciate it when she gets home and than yell at me for the dishes not being done when we rotate duties so it's her turn tonight but nope I gotta do both and again the next day. Kill me dude

Yeah, definitely sounds like the same kinda shit I went through. If she's not the one, and you know that, follow your gut. We only live so long, don't waste your time with someone who makes your life miserable. Especially don't stay if you're worried about being single. You may never get to meet your soulmate because you're still with her.

If you do want to stay, forget about being the peace maker all the time. If she wants to be with you, she can make the peace every once in a while.

Just don't give a flying fuck. If you guys are good together, it will work out. Don't force a relationship.

I feel like you two should be on Ellen. You make more sense and speak (or at least write) logically.

Not gonna be surprised if, in a fit of survivors guilt, good ole Jesus double taps himself in the back of the noggin.

Maybe he's legit but can't speak the truth and walked in on some the wasn't supposed to see. Maybe they couldn't off him right then and there, so he gets one in the leg to shut up and stay quiet and has now been advised clearly to follow the script. His mannerisms and demeanor are incredibly telling. He definitely seems guilty. Maybe survivors guilt. Maybe guilt for lying. Maybe guilt because none of it is true. Maybe he's a psychopath (though he doesn't seem it... He seems to be miserable) hope we find out the truth, but not gonna hold my breath.

Or maybe he is the diversion. Why care about Jesus Campos? Maybe we should be looking at something else. Sleight of hand. Look here.

There are at least two distinct issues here.

1. That he didn't report he'd been shot while on the call.
2. That he mentioned it on Ellen, unprompted.

The guy had someone help him prepare for the show. That's not odd. Don't waste time wondering why he was prepped, it happens all the time.

The interesting question here is: Why was it important that he mention that detail during the Ellen interview?

There are a bunch of possibilities. I'm not going to write them out, I'll just jump ahead to what I feel is the most likely: There is a recording of that communication, the police have it, and he doesn't mention being shot.

If you think it's reasonable to believe a person who was just shot wouldn't mention being shot when calling in to report shots fired, I suppose there's no big mystery here. You can go.

If you think a person who'd been shot would definitely mention having been shot, then there's a problem. There is a recording, the police have it, and he hadn't been shot when the recording was made. So when was Jesus shot?

Your quote of him in the in your selfpost is wrong, here is what he says:

“And I was going to say that I was hit, but I got on … my cellphone just to clear radio traffic so they could coordinate the rest of the call.”

Which makes it perfectly clear what he meant. He's saying that after telling his colleagues of what is happening, he didn't want to go into details that he was shot, because that would take time and block radio traffic over his walkie talkie, from more important stuff, like the communication between his boss and everyone else on security on what to do about this.

So he uses his cellphone and calls it in either to 911 or some other person who isn't going to coordinate security. It's not unusual to do this and it's not that complicated to understand.

Just to make it more clear, if he would spend more time talking about his injury, they wouldn't have any chance of coordinating with everyone else on staff because that would block the traffic on their frequency.

He said that shots were fired, that's what's most important in a call like that so they can coordinate a proper response with authorities and get everyone out safe.

I'd say the officer down part is by far the most important part. Shots fired could mean lots of things. Shots fired AT AN OFFICER (and the officer is injured) is extremely important for others to know.

Maybe he said that and just didn't say he was shot because he knew it would lead to a slower response to get people up there. He nursed his own wounds apparently while he waited and Paddock continued to shoot. He also saved that other engineer guy while.

If he notified them he was shot, it would make response time quicker, in theory at least.

And what if he didn't realize he had been shot yet?

He did realize he'd been shot, he said so on Ellen.

If you have the wherewithall to call 911 and warn the maintenance guy, you probably notice being shot....with all the blood and all.

Even if he specifcially didn't know he was shot... he knew he was injured.

Love this. Is there anyone here that’s been shot with a .223/5.56 or similar round? I’ve never been but I’d imagine at close range it’s pretty effing painful. But good on him for swallowing all of that pain to keep the radio traffic open (rolls eyes). I’m not even convinced he was shot, period.

Getting shot with just a BB is pretty painful!

Under 100 yards a .556 round in the leg should be lethal, unless it is a graze, in which case there wouldn't be any bullet left in his leg...

I too like to compare being stabbed with a spoon to being stabbed with a katana.

Good on you man! I was actually reiterating the fact that being shot by even a BB is worthy of reporting.

What about when he says he heard drilling and Ellen redirects him saying "you heard gun shots but thought it was drilling", and Jesus reiterates that he heard drilling and "thought they were working in the area".

The engineer says he heard gunshots but he thought it was a jack hammer, not a drill. Those are two completely different sounds.

Sounds to me like Jesus was shot before the shooting began and notified MB security immediately, then called 911 on his phone.

What was MB security doing for 72 minutes?

If Campos called in his phone when he was shot, there is a clear record of that.

Didn't MB security call the police right away? That would also leave clear documented proof of the timeline.

Why was there so much confusion with the timeline when they have such concrete evidence to use and several days to examine it?

Most incompetent investigation in recent history or a cover up? Those seem to be the only options at this point.

Jackhammer on the 32nd floor. Yah that makes sense.

More sense than dozens of weapons and massive amounts of ammunition for days which went unnoticed by hotel cleaning staff.

Uhh... they don't go in your room if you put a do not disturb sign on the door.

Authorities say that Paddock acted alone in bringing weapons into the Mandalay. Hotel employees, such as cleaning staff, had been regularly entering his room since he checked in and did not report seeing “anything nefarious.”

https://news.vice.com/story/at-least-50-dead-in-beyond-horrific-las-vegas-massacre

If its in bags should hotel staff be snooping?

If you want to prevent another mass shooting.

So hotel staff should be searching every bag that comes into or out of a hotel? Fuck that. I dont want a fucking hotel maid touching my shit at all when they are in the room, if they have to be in the room at all. I would rather another dude be able to shoot up another concert over being forced into letting hotel staff touch my stuff.

Oh... what the fuck?

One "Do Not Disturb" doorhang will solve that problem.

I could say "drilling" for a jack-hammer. It could be a word-choice problem.

Are you saying Jesus heard a jackhammer? That is not what he described.

What is your point?

I am saying that a person might use the word "drilling" to refer to a jackhammering sound. Because they may not be familiar with jackhammers or the word "jackhammer".

So when the engineer says he heard gunshots that he mistook for jack-hammering, and Jesus said he heard drilling, and when Ellen tried to redirect him by saying "you heard gunshots and thought it was drilling", he reiterated that he heard drilling and "thought they were working in the area", that means drilling was actually gunshots?

If so, are you a troll? That is absurd.

I would think MB security would not only call the police but freaking turn around 3 feet and let the LVPD cops in the office know right there and then!

Yeah I heard the MB claims the cops were in the casino when the shooting started. Another oddity to the story. They should release some CCTV footage and clear stuff up.

Not only that, I believe the cops were right in the security office. I remember this specifically because I said the police should've been there sooner on r/news and that was shot down by many people (assuming they could've been in any part of the hotel-- fair enough). Then, details were released they were standing right there. To those paying attention this should be questioned at length. I'm hoping it will-- by the families filing lawsuits.

Well he was definitely shot before Stephen Shuck showed up, who mentions on his interview he saw that Jesus was shot when he got down the hallway.

And you believe Stephen Shuck because.....??? We didn't even hear about this guy for a week!

Well in the original police scanner audio "a security guy" and "a maintenance guy" are mentioned by the police in the hallway. Unless you also want to believe that is somehow fabricated.

People forget to go back to all the real, first hand evidence, like the tapes and the original interviews. Instead they go on WILD speculation road trips with zero evidence supporting them. Some things don't make sense in this case, but you should recognize when things do line up and evidence continues to compile towards one theory. Instead of focusing on Paddock's house being invaded with NOTHING out of place, the multiple airbnb's rented just before the attack, the flying to Phoenix, then driving a rental car from Phoenix BACK to Las Vegas in the days leading up to the attack, the multiple homes and businesses he owned... this is all so much bigger than some security guard staying out of the public eye because he's traumatized.

I guess I never listened to the "original" audio. Thanks!

So do you think he slipped up by revealing this detail or if it was planned?

If so, by who and for what reason? He doesn't seem like a "think for himself" type of guy. I'm guessing he accidentally said it and they're hoping no one noticed.

The inclusion of the detail was planned. Maybe you don't think so, and that's fine, but that it was planned is the entire basis of my comment.

Thanks. No, I was just asking. I think your theory is well thought out and reasonable (if that makes sense). On my end, I was reading it late.

I still stand by the fact Campos isn't a thinking man. Which, really goes right along with what you said.

Oh, I was just answering. Now that I reread what I wrote I see that it comes off a bit ornery. That's honestly not what I was going for. If you read it that way, I apologize.

Yeah, I think he sat down with an MGM attorney and they planned out what he was gong to say. Which really isn't all that odd. It's that they went out of their way to say he didn't mention he'd been shot that jumps out. People don't normally volunteer what they didn't say during a conversation. If they wanted him to make that clear, and they did, there must be a reason.

You're right! A lawyer meeting was reported, was it? Right before the Hannity interview?

I know if I got shot, I wouldn't report it as someone is shooting up here. I'd be like "some mother fucker just shot me!"

surprised no one picked up on ellens costume choice on the show. did anyone pick up a military theme from the sleeves and collar?

yeah, noticed that too. weird.

I noticed that, either military inspired or Michael Jackson appreciation day.

ThatsMyCupcake, that made me laugh so much whilst being a perfectly reasonable alternative. its like, keeping subconscious pressure on someone. kind of like, if you were a circus animal trainer from the 1920s , had a whip in your hand, and the animals know , not to mess with you. because your holding that beating thing in your hand.

The narrative must exist to ensure stability. Fool a dumb man by not giving enough information,(the main stream) fool a smart man by giving to much (conspiracy theorists) so at the end of day no one is the wiser. Your in a game of chess that you didn't know you were playing. Your only in fantasy land if you think bad things wont happen in america, and the government wont try to maintain control. Hope that helps. (Get involved in your community. On purpose interswctuons

I would conjecture that the way to win is community involvement, grass roots movements, and the on purpose intersections with other communities.

Id just like to add the effects of this occurrence. The effect of this narrative vs conspiracy is "dear mr and mrs domestic terrorist, the american public is resolved in its stance aginst you. This guy killed/ injured 600 and we just covered it up. And no one cares execept the folks we can label as loons"You can't win by violence." Any thoughts on that spin1?

I am not a fan of organized religion, but I think its absence has deprived people of a key part of a healthy society: Sense of community.

Churches(and other houses of worship) provide a place for people to talk and form friendships and bonds and discuss pertinent topics. They can also be a type of safety net. When a member is in need the rest help out. I think the deprivation of these communal groups with no apt replacement has led to detrimental consequences for society.

Yea and then you find out the pastor has been diddling all the children. Great community.

I mean, isn't there that proven psychological effect that when there's a shit ton of people around, no one does anything because you assume someone has already done something?

The only possibility is that he did in fact "freeze" and had a panic attack or something similar

Would explain his reluctance to be in the spotlight.

Do I personally believe that what I said makes sense?

Fuck no! Lol

I am simply giving the explanation the general public is going to roll with after the FBI reads that comment and says, "hey he's got a good point." Lol

I think it's total bull shit. If I'm fucking shot the first thing I'm doing is calling the cops. The second thing I'm doing to calling my mother.

Sure panic attack makes sense. I personally believe the whole story stinks to high ducking heaven.

The only thing that makes this seem real is that the dude screwed shut the doors. I mean, it's not every day a person successfully plans a massacre that kills 58 people. Screwing the doors shut was over planning that that actually alerted the building security and macitence before the shooting even started.

That's the kind of shit I could see happening if I ever did something. Planned too much and ended up alerting people to what was going on by over planning.

The Bystander Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

I get the feeling that they're being sloppy on purpose.

Nothing is leaked unintentionally. It was a total hoax but look how everyone is chasing their tails....Perfectly executed because even free thinkers are convinced it was real.

I often wonder if they just want to get people riled up so they can later identify who isn't going to play along with their agenda come full domination.

This reeks of a CIA misinformation campaign. They are intentionally being so sloppy and changing the narrative so many times that the average person gets too intimidated to bother to try and debunk everything. Don't forget that there are millions of people outside of here who only got their information from the MSM and haven't been following every detail as closely as we have. All the users here who already know that this story is bullshit are most certainly on a list of some sort. As long as we are still the tiny minority in a sea of ignorance, then TPTB have nothing to worry about.

You left out the part where he clearly says he radioed in that shots were fired.

@3:00 in the video. https://streamable.com/u95l9

I felt a burning sensation I went to go lift my pantleg up and I saw the blood that’s when I called it in on my radio that shots have been fired and I was going to say that I was hit but I got on over my cell phone just to clear the radio traffic for they can coordinate the rest of the call.

Full disclosure, I omitted all the "uh"s.

So what he said was he got hit, radioed it in and cleared the radio line so dispatch could coordinate. The part about the cell phone sounds, to me, like he called someone, MB security or 911, on his cell phone to tell them he was shot.

How did he save lives?

He drew the shooters attention away from the concert. If true, there is no way to estimate the amount of lives saved. He told the engineer to get down. He told a room occupant to stay inside and it wasn't safe to enter the hallway. I think I got everything listed in the interview.

He saved the maintenance guy (AKA handler)!

I guess Campos just being a moron is out of the question?

He was also supposedly shot "in the right upper thigh" -- see CNN article:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/las-vegas-shooting-investigation-updates/index.html

But in the Ellen interview he says he "pulled his pant leg up" and saw blood.

How?

If he was wearing hammer pants, he would have had more than enough relief in the leg to pull it up nice and high...

Blood ran down his leg.

That's the only thing I can think of that would make sense.

maybe the rines are crossed

What makes no sense is that a conspiracy forum is still distracted by meaningless and contrived minutiae when 2 weeks after the event no one can demonstrate that real shots were really fired, and each moment that has elapsed since the "shooting" has further solidified and corroborates the assertions of those of us who have been saying from the start, this looks like a completely staged event again.

I admit I have not seen any bullet holes in the crime scene(except the fuel tank and the hotel door), and I do find that odd.

How do you explain bullet squibs and obviously injured people seen on video?

how does he explain my friends sister-in-law who took a bullet straight through the fucking head and is dead now.

Wish joe-jaywalker or anyone who thinks the event was 'staged' took one in the head instead of her.

fucking pieces of shit

With all due respect and condolences, I doubt you'll prove it, for those of us who don't know anyone who died.

I just looked back through 26 days of their posts and it was never mentioned once before now, I'd have been shouting about it to anyone who even mentioned the idea of a false flag.

Hes saying that a public servant may or may not have been complicit in your sister in laws murder.(only trying to clarify)

I am not sure why you are replying to me. I find the idea of the event being staged(as in no one was actually shot) absurd, but I try to keep an open mind and not belittle people.

because if someone believes not one person died after seeing hundreds of videos and images in one of the most densely populated regions in the states, then they are beyond responding to in my opinion.

So you send me insulting messages?

You are mentally unstable or just a jerk. Seriously, seek psychological help.

The only video we have is the stupid Liveleak "aftermath" video, which upon further inspection seems to be staged and does not show any bullet entry or exit wounds, nor bullet damage nor medical activity.

That video has been available since day 2 or 3. Does anyone really think it would still be the only go-to video to "prove" that people were really shot here, over two weeks later?

I haven't seen any video of anything other than flashes and the assumed sound of gunfire. Just imagine, in the most highly video surveilled city on earth, in front of thousands of witnesses, does anyone think that the "biggest mass shooting ever" could happen with no resulting video of anything or person being shot?

wtf no other video has come out since?

I long ago lost count of the number of times I have stated that it appears to have been a fake shooting with no real injuries and someone has immediately linked that Liveleak video as if to "prove" me wrong. In a real shooting there would be a dozen other graphic videos that show definitive proof of a shooting happening, during the shooting itself and many more of the aftermath. But no, as far as I can tell there is not much in the way of such video.

Super weird to me.

I get where your coming from. I don't fully believe anything about this incident. BUT, you seem to think you know for a fact no shooting happened. Your proof is that more people should have been recording. I agree to an extent that there should probably be more footage but at the same time people were running for their life. I'm not trying to say your wrong or anything but I'm just curious how you can feel so strongly that you are right when this hole incident is just a clusterfuck. I think most people aren't gonna stick around to record when they think someone is firing machine guns into the crowd. I'm not discounting your opinion that no one was shot and I think its important to be able to discuss all theories. You seem like you have already solved this thing in your head. I've seen a lot of people claiming other people are shills on this subreddit. If there ever were shills commenting I would think one would take the same stance as you just to further confuse and divide the "conspiracy theorists"

I'm not staying for a fact that no one died, I'm just taking that position until there's a reason to think otherwise. It does sound far-fetched or hard to believe that this was all fake, but if you are familiar with other staged events like Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombing, San Bernardino, and other hoaxes you see patterns emerge and this one is no different.

It's not just the lack of recordings, it's that the recordings we do have are devoid of definitive evidence of real shots being fired and the appearance of fakery that I see over and over again in the interviews with witnesses and victims who appear to be merely acting.

Yea i am interested in "conspiracies" so I am familiar with all the incidents you mention. I don't really have firm stances on what I believe regarding all those incidents but the documentaries and evidence of false flags or misinformation given to the public is definitely something I am aware of. I'm from CT and I did know this chick who said her best friends older sister was best friends with the young teacher who got shot. She could a been lying but I remember thinking she seemed sincere and no reason to lie. Either way, if I believed 100% no one died in any of these instances, I would find answers. Go to where the shooting happened wether in Vegas or Sandy hook and talk to people. Idk man. I don't buy the mainstream narrative, but I don't necessarily believe no one died either. No disrespect meant though man. I get where u come from

If any part of it is staged, then I legally have the right to assume the entire affair is a complete fraud. This is the legal principle of "fraud vitiates everything."

If any part of it is staged, it likely all is staged. Mixing actors or agents in with real victims when real bullets are flying is a logistic impossibility.

That's a really good and interesting point I never thought of. "Fraud vitiates everything". I definitely see the logic of what your saying about mixing crisis actors with real ppl and real bullets, it wouldn't make sense unless it was all fakes or no fakes.

Casino did it to themselves??? To do those regulations and sell the osi systems to itself? After the regulation changes???

That's not the Campos from before

I'm going to guess my wild conspiracy conspiracy is that he is and illegal and whoever is trying to cover it up (Jesus is it illegal ) has and political agenda but I don't buy into all the fake shooting or government plan that too far out for me

Plot twist. Campos is the real shooter.....

The more we know, the less sense it makes. As he's starting to make less and less sense, saying he thinks he hears drilling and then Ellen TELLS him what he heard and what he thought, they shut him up, then she makes a point to stress that he never has to speak again. I guess we never get to understand the real timeline because Ellen declared it case closed.

Fuck Ellen

has the video been posted anywhere yet?

Watching the interview now on Ellen's official YouTube page. Comments are disabled...Is that common for an Ellen vid? She just whipped out a diagram of the floor, with a pointer WTF.

I personally didn't find it weird she had a diagram. I thought it was clever and really helped to paint the picture of what Jesus was describing. However every single other part of the interview is suspect as hell.

I also found it a bit weird how the engineer was acting more like a handler. Maybe he knew Jesus was shaken and was just trying to be there for him? They prepped for the show so he knew the diagram is there and perhaps he was kind of trying to take charge by pointing at it and it gave the impression of him being a handler? But he acted too much in charge throughout the rest of the interview so I don't know.. Very odd.

When did we first even hear about this engineer? That's honestly my first time hearing about him so he struck me as odd right away.

Not to mention Elen was weird too. Dictating the interview to as far as the details. Again maybe they prepped for it and then during the actual interview they noticed Jesus shutting down so they stepped in?

I'm trying to think logically here but this interview rubs me the wrong way. If not totally convinced from the weirdness, I'm very disappointed the least.

Well that was awkward to watch. I wish they would have gone with Steve Harvey instead.

Why am I not surprised. I watched it last night, scrolling through dozens of comments. Every single one either went from skepticism with hard questions or called b.s. on the whole thing, and many likes on those comments. I didn't read one single sentence saying, ooooh, well that about wraps it up, I'm satisfied.

The comments weren't disabled last night?

They weren't. If I thought they were going to be disabled, I would have probably screenshot everything I was reading. I'm not surprised, but I certainly thought it was improbable.

oh wow..

It's definitely not common for them to disable youtube comments. Also I follow her on instagram and her story had snippets of today's show but not this. I had no idea this interview happened until it was just announced on Tucker.

Tuba toothpaste

All this shows is that the elites think we are really fucking stupid.

We are really fucking stupid. What percentage of the American population will actually question the LV narrative? 5%?

I think we're getting smarter. Mainstream pundits are now questioning it (i.e. Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter). That's a first.

That was so trash lol ridiculous.

Was kind of expecting to see Aaron Rouse seated in the studio audience glaring at the two. Subtle, he is not.

How about the fact that there were a lot of other innocent people in that hotel ...perhaps that is what was in his mind...getting help before the guy goes on to kill other guest. No one could have known he was going to do what he did.

The only thing he could do. He called for help and didn't remain on the line so as to clear the lines. What would you have him do? No weapon, shot in the leg, bleeding and not knowing if and when this guy was going to shoot again

Um,....what do you not understand? I wasn't having it both ways. I said he called for help and then did the only thing he could do. Which is...keep the lines clear and take cover. The only thing he could do in this situation is call for help. He did that. So, he was DOING all that he could in that situation which was call for help and take cover. What do you not understand? How is that having it both ways? Lol

What is the one thing that he could have done to save others in the hotel? Call for help...which is what he freaking did. I'm saying maybe his mind wasn't on his leg wound so much as it was on getting help there asap so that no one else got hurt. Seems kinda obvious that if you call and say shots fired that help is going to come and that also means that he knew he would get help for his leg also. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. It is obvious to me that you aren't able to string together coherent thoughts and apply logic. Who knows what was really in his mind but he did what he could do and that is call for help.

Youtube comments disabled on Ellens video, but her other videos aren't disabled.

I noticed. Weird.

Something that doesn't add up for me......the sherriff stated one of the injured policemen on the ground was shot and had 4 wounds and then he clarified it was two gun shots which had entry and exit wounds. Cop was probably 300/400 yards from elevated shooter at time of being shot, cool, totally believe that description.

Now Campos was what 30/40 yards from the shooter and was shot, yet it's been stated by family members that the bullet is still in his leg? Surely the only way that the bullet wouldn't have passed through at such a close distance would be if it were embedded in big bone which would be excruciating pain and most likely require immediate medical/surgical attention?

How can someone be shot from a much farther away range and sustain far worse injury than a person shot much closer? I know the wooden door would have taken some pace out the bullet, but that much???

Do we know which gun Campos was shot with? It could have been something that didn't pack the firepower the shooter used on the concert-goers.

I thought about that, but the description of 200 rounds being fired through the door into the hall obviously from some type of semi automatic weapon made me think it must have been of half decent calibre. I

If you can find a photo of the food service cart in the hallway you can see tiny holes in the white tablecloth. Kinda weird to me how none of the items on top of the table like water bottles seemed to move in all the gunfire but zoom into the tablecloth. Can we figure out the calibre that way?

If you look for the pictures of the breeched door, the ones with the yellow police tape criss crossed over it. The door on the left hand side is lying on it's side, zoom in and check out the bullet holes, that appears to be the door he shot through from inside. That I think would give better indication of calibre. Thing that gets me scratching my head though, there is nowhere near 200. Agreed on the food cart. One would expect at least a few plates shattered into pieces. On a side note, that is a fair amount of plates for just one guy??

I also noticed the cart is on the left side of the hall but he clearly only shot through the right door. No other bullet holes, scuffs on walls, etc in the hallway. There are photos of police there and the hallway is perfect. I couldn't figure out why bullet holes somehow got in the tablecloth on the left side when he shot from the right though. No idea what it could mean though so what else is new.

Oh and agreed. Two water bottles too. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Was the same kind of gun used for both? I would imagine some pistols don't have good penetration.

I suppose we will probably never know the answer to that question so it is speculation on my part. I watched the event from afar (Scotland) and within an hour of the rolling news coverage I had the "something isn't right here" feeling. As time has past it seems like there is less information being released now than there was within the early few hours of the incident. It also doesn't help that there is so many conflicting official narritaves by police. I now have a "something definitely isn't right" feeling.

That’s because, in my opinion, he shot himself with a pistol, after he shot Paddock dead. This theory would explain why he didn’t report he was shot on the radio, why he was only shot one time, why there were discrepancies in the timeline of his interaction with Paddock, etc.

I think Jesus was caught in a lie but is being made to look like a hero and threatened to strict a narrative given to him because the FBI doesn’t want to admit their involvement in illegal gun running or whatever they’re trying to cover up as well.

The only thing I can think of is the bullet was greatly slowed down by the door. The bullet that hit Campos possibly went through the solid wood (or possibly steel door with insulation) door first taking a huge portion of energy off of the bullet.

Here is a listing of 25 suspicious facets of Jesus Campos’ Ellen interview:

1. Guy vanishes for five days and pops out on a fluff interview with ... Ellen?
2. Instead of being interviewed by a cable news outlet or investigative reporter, his only interview (more about this later) is with daytime talk show host Ellen. a. No hardball questions b. No skepticism, no suspicion of his story. c. In fact, he was coddled and praised and led through the entire interview.
3. Unusually, the Ellen Show preleased the video of the interview to the Washington Post, who posted it online before the Ellen Show aired.
4. Every question Ellen asked was leading. It sounded like she had a better grasp of what happened than Campos did.
5. Throughout the interview Campos looked nervous as fuck. His body language is hunched over, staring at the floor throughout most of the interview.
6. Campos is accompanied by a handler, the engineer Steven Schuck, to keep him on message.
7. Not once did Ellen ask why Campos disappeared for five days or where he disappeared to.
8. Ellen never asked Campos why his version of events changed repeatedly.
9. Ellen never asked Campos about his employment status at the Mandalay Bay.
10. She busted out schematics and pointers. When has Ellen ever busted out schematics and pointers on her show? Ellen using visual aids to help guide Campos along.

Not to mention the main question which is the whole reason Campos is of such interest to this story: Jesus, you were there on the floor during the entire shooting and subsequent suicide of this lone shooter. What did you see and hear? Did you hear him speak at all during this time? Can you confirm you saw nor heard what could have been any other person on the floor during the attack? Is there anything about your experience that might explain why Mr. Paddock chose to kill himself during his own attack?

I mean, isn't that supposed to be how journalism works? You get rid of conspiracy theory by shining light into darkness. So if this story is all legitimate and there is nothing to hide, why can't these basic questions be asked? I'm not here on r/conspiracy because I want to believe in a conspiracy. I'm here because I want to be proven wrong. I want to find something that will show, "See, it really did happen that way and isn't the obvious cover-up of something sinister that it seems to be." But every new development just puts more points in the "Fishy AF" column.

Those are good questions. I'm with you in just wanting the truth to come out, not four different versions of the truth that fit the narrative that each of those groups is most interested in, or puts them in the best position to fight future litigation. I hate to ask it this way...but if you're loved one was killed in this event...wouldn't you be pissed at what seems to more obfuscation than a transparent search for the truth?

I wish I could upvote this so many more times.

This is exactly what I freaking expected to see happen in the last few weeks. Our entire culture revolves around interviews like these after a trial, terrorism, fuck even Paris Hilton was on LARRY KING after getting out of jail!!! I cannot believe more people aren't demanding a REAL interview and not a hand holding babysitter photo op.

Exactly. It's as if they want us to theorize this whole thing by being so vague.

And they hid the whole story in the middle of Cat Week.

KeK

Most of the issues you bring up are covered by issues of money. Odds are Ellen, maybe with a kickback from the casino as a PR move, offered up a decent pay off. She "knew more about the event" being she's not stupid and knew the interview might very well be world news level. So she prepped a bit more than when she is talking to a random celeb about their dog.

She didn't go into super details being it's a day time talk show and lets be real here, most people are not digging for info as much as people might do here. Campo crappy ability to talk in front of tons of people and an audience of millions is not all that surprising. I did an oral report in college on porn once and still stumbled around a bit on the topic and like most guys around that age it's not like I was cough unfamiliar with the topic cough.

I said this in another random post but him doing any sort of interview was/is just flat out stupid. It gains him nothing (well maybe money) and only opens the door to look like a scum back for trading in the death of 50+ people for some nickles and dimes.

That chart she brought out with the floor plan seemed like it was put there to give the illusion of some depth to the interview when clearly there was none.

None of it makes sense.

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One thing to me that stuck out was how Campos said he told a woman to go back into her hotel room because of the shots. Any chance of finding that woman?? She would have a good story I'm sure..

She might be able to say whether she or other guests had been complaining about noise on the 32nd floor earlier. Had MGM not responded to earlier complaints, they don't stand a chance in civil court.

Yeah man, got to keto the lines clear in case something important needs to be reported, like someone getting shot.

He told them the man was shooting! Wtf else did you want him to say??? He called for HELP.

He wasn't very clear. But either way, his walk out was what stood out to me. He wasn't shifting his weight onto the cane in any consistent way. He was just moving it forward as he walked and sometimes the cane was used with one leg and then the other. I have had injuries before that required me not to use my leg and the way he waliked with the cane made no sense.

Actually it does. We don't know the severity of his wound. It has been over two weeks. By this time he has prob been instructed by physical therapist to use that leg more and shift the balance from time to time. You do NOT just sit around to let a wound heal. You get back up as soon as possible so that you don't lose valuable muscle.

All this sub was saying was we need to see Jose. Now we see Jose and it's not enough.

What would be enough?

No matter what he ever says...people will find a way to twist it.

Who da fuck is Jose

Noticed that too, what a ridiculous excuse. Smells like bullshit to me

I probably would have used my cellphone in case the guy had a scanner. I've worked security for 11 years.

The reason he did the Ellen interview....

Ellen's show is owned by MGM, who own's Mandalay Bay.

guess who's pulling the strings on this guy?

That's your logic? Lol. The slot machines use licensed content. They aren't hers per say. She doesn't own them or profit from them. Ellen is prerecorded, she is someone that most people TRUST so if they put it on her show people will believe it and move on. Very good choice for them.

yes, very good choice. they control the content and questions.

He said he didn't tell them HE was shot

Russians don't know enough English to translate cell phone.

he had to keep the lines clear in case something important happened.

This is insane it's so clear this poor guy is being completely manipulated and controlled and "they" just put it on National Television just daring people to say or do anything about it.

It seems kind of stupid, but if you thinknofnthis as Paul Blart 3: Casino Cop, it isn't nearly as nefarious. That's Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is just as easily explained by incompetence or stupidity.

He is a hotel security guard, not a rocket scientist.

I'm also confused how he's a "hero" for being shot and that appears to be it. How's that heroic?

How would he have been tying up the lines by mentioning that he had been shot on the 32nd floor?

Maybe Campos can't speak English well?

That is not what he said.

"I can pinpoint the location of the shooter. Meh, better just stay silent and listen to the chaotic chatter instead, wouldn't wanna cause confusion"

He was "interviewed" by a comedian. What more needs to be said?

Summed up nicely. I think they should have gone with Steve Harvey though.

The amount of time it takes to say "Shots fired, officer down" just isn't worth the risk. /s

Right? I mean how long does it take to say "i've been shot." I'm more and more confused with every turn this takes.

My observation from the interview:

"DANCE MONKEY!"

idk it makes sense to me?? He used his cell phone so the radio would be clear so they could figure out how to stop it??? Or am I wrong?

They call an internal 911 maybe a 777 for better communication with police & fire. They have protocol for this. They must.

Did Campos call 911?

Every single person who heard gunfire RAN for safety, except Campos and the maintenance guy who just sat in the hallway 100 ft away from the sound of a machine gun firing for 10 minutes. Ok

Questions I have about Jesus Campos: Who did he work for? My understanding is that it wasn't directly for the casino but some independent company. So why would he be knocking on the door to begin with? Why would he be given the award just days after? These things usually take weeks if not months to plan and execute. Lastly, exactly what heroism did he display?

These questions may've been answered but I can't seem to find a reasonable answer to any of them. Could anyone answer these for me?

So Paddock tried to shoot Campos in the back? Why would Paddock go through the trouble of making a serious plan and transporting 23 guns and 1000's of bullets only to blow his cover by trying to shoot Campos in the back? Why would he stop shooting for no reason with plenty of ammo and no police yet? Why did Campos not mention he was shot over the radio? And what did he do exactly for those 10 minutes? Maintenance guy had a master key, what room did they hide out in?

Yeah this was super triggering, but at least we got something? I mean, it was Ellen for fucks sake. Makes sense why he wouldn't do Hannity, or some other "news" channel interview because they would rape him with questions.

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Speculative or not, I heard it on terrestrial FM radio, the morning of Oct 2nd.

I might put my coworkers safety above my own and omit my (being shot) as it could take precious (focus) away from the danger. Creating a tunnel vision to (help me)and not focus on the greater issue of active gunfire. He could have been being instinctively selfless.

What a load of shit, they expect us to believe this?

The guilt emanates from him. It is palpable...and it's not survivors guilt it's I did something wrong guilt. Or on the other side, I get a sense also of "I'm in danger, id better watch out what I say" feeing too. Something is wrong.

just watched the interview on youtube... on the direct propaganda feed.... super sketchy interview, sketchy body language, what appears to be non verbal signals, etc.... comments disabled.

the one dude on the left said he thought it was a jack hammer?? on the 32nd floor of a finished building? he says "at the time I didn't know it was a shooting I thought it was a jack hammer, you know, I thought, as an engineer we're not working up here this late at night."

so how often are they jack hammering on the 32nd floor of a finished hotel? and campos thought automatic gunfire sounded like a drill? wtf?

You have never heard of rationalization? While the ideas they may have thought of were a bit out there...a live shooter inside of MB was even more out there.

Watching the video, what he says and what OP is "sayng" he said are not at all the same thing. He called on his radio that shots had been fired, but he used his phone to let them know that he had been struck. There are a number of reasons that he may have done this. One, is that it could possibly be their security policy, to reduce traffic as it is a very large facility and others may need to communicate too, or to prevent traumatic information from being broadcast publically, where it may be heard by patrons (especially over a ptt radio where you may not have an earpiece). Secondly, it is also possible that, since he was just shot, he was not exactly thinking clearly and for some unknown reason, while under fire he made that decision and it was not related to anything else other than it was his immediate decision to do so. I think that OP really fails to consider that people make sudden instant decisions in traumatic situations and it doesn't make a lot of sense to question it afterward in this way, it's just what happened. Have you ever had to make a decision like that while being shot at? And if so, are you trained to? Do you think Jesus Campos is?

Just watched it. He said he didn't tell them he had been shot--just called it in. That doesn't' make sense, either.

I apologize for the incorrect name. But my question is the same what is enough. He needs to clear things up and he didn't. So what would he need to say to clear things up? What would he need to say to clear things up?

Probably the wrong post for this question, but all this has made me think about it. I understand that plans change and the human eliminate of things. But, what did Campos do that would've made Paddock completely think his cover was blown and that he needed to shoot out in the hall way. I'm completely okay with the idea that he saw him on the "monitor" or whatever, but because the shooting happened after this, it really makes me think. Maybe Paddock wanted to wait 1 more day, maybe, and me saying that is leaving out other details to suggest he didn't. But, worst case scenario is they find the door locked and they fix it. What were they going to do, knock on every door and ask them if they did this? So, it is possible Paddock was not ready to begin, and these events led him to it. Or getting back to my original thought, why did this "mastermind" lose his meticulous planning to shoot 1 person out the door. If he saw him on the monitor, he could've walked out, shot him and dragged him in the damn room.

It's been reported that Jason Aldean was the last performer on the last night of the concert, which leads me to believe Paddock was intending to open fire at the time he did. Maybe he was planning to wait until the concert ended and the lights came up as people were leaving, in order to have a higher kill count. But I don't think he was planning on any later time than that.

I also don't understand what Campos did other than simply being there in the hallway. It's one of the big questions I have too.

The guys logic was "There's a shooting incident, I better keep the lines open", but the thing is, he was the incident. He should be the focus, the person people were listening too, he was at the damn incident. This really just annoyed me.

No, he wasn't the incident. The man shooting inside of a hotel with thousands of lives at risk was the incident. Campos alerted the threat and took cover...as he should have done. Exactly what do you think you would have done? Keep talking on a radio and lead the gunman right to you? Prob not.

I hesitate in calling the man an idiot, but have you considered that Campos is someone who both panicked in the moment, and does not have a full grasp of technology?

No. He called it in on his radio and then got on his phone to call 9/11 and give more details so the radio channels could remain clear.

It's simple.

But he was shot BEFORE the mass shooting according to the new timeline... WTF was he keeping the lines clear for? Clogged toilets?... unless he wasn't shot before the shooting.

He radioed in there was a man shooting inside of MB. If you think that statement alone wasn't going to cause immediate action with a lot of phone calls and radio traffic...I would suggest you rethink your logic.

He's 1 of 2 people in the floor getting shot at, he got shot. If anything the radio traffic is clear to him. He's the priority.

What else was he supposed to say? He said shots fired. That means help was on the way. Why stay on the line? Staying on the line would allow for two major things: one it would alert the shooter to his exact location. Two it would have alerted any guest nearby the other end of the conversation what was going on and cause panic. There was absolutely no reason for him to keep two waying back and forth. No matter what this guy says some people have to look more into it to fit their idea. I would suggest to all of you that want to and his actions to walk in his shoes. Have you ever had someone open fire on you when you least expected it? Prob not. Shock, fear and injured all play into confusion in the heat of the moment. And people wonder why he wants to stay hidden. No matter what he says people want to blame him.

You act like saying "I've been shot in the leg" is some big conversation.

Yes, a person who has been shot IS a priority.

A priority to get help for not talk with. I'm pretty sure calling in shots fired would lead to help. But I'm gonna guess you have no idea how shock and trauma actually affect a person. If you did...you could find it pretty understandable that he didn't elaborate and just called for help. But you keep sitting on your couch judging. I will apply real world experience and try to understand rather than railroad a person who is innocent until proven otherwise.

He didn't say he was in shock and froze up, you are saying that... he said he made a conscious decision to keep the radio clear... his words... he is the primary person of communication. They are relying on him to communicate what is happenening. I don't see why you can't comprehend how reporting you were shot is a key piece of information and how failing to report that seems suspicious, especially given 3 timeline changes preceeding the statement.

Cut the sitting on the couch bullshit too, such a weak strawman cop out. If that's the case no one should talk about our look at the Vegas Shooting because we weren't there.

I don't see why you don't understand the timeline changes come from the police and maybe not him. Of course he can say now what he felt then but it perhaps wasn't so clear in the heat of the moment. He radioed shots fired...just because you think he should have mentioned he was shot doesn't mean it had to go down that way. Again, I will apply read world experience while you judge without ever having been in a situation like that. Work in a trauma center for awhile and you will see all kinds of shit that doesn't seem logical.

Ok cool, so no one should talk about this, just people that were there and people that work in trauma centers, got ya.

Did I say no one should talk about it? Never said those words. Talk all you want. Just as I am going to weigh in with my opinion.

Dude. HE got shot. I'm pretty sure that was a big deal to him at the time. He kept the lines clear because there was an active shooter in the building who had just shot him.

He was panicked and didn't know what to do, resorted to training that was inappropriately applied at the wrong time.

He did call in the shooting...he never said he didn't. He may not have mentioned he was hit. He called for help so help was on the way. Unless any of you have been in that situation...please sit down. You are taking a partial statement and listing it as a whole just for internet points. HE DID RADIO IN THAT THERE WAS A MAN OPENING FIRE.

Does she turn her problems into yours? Like blame you for what she did wrong?

Do extreme introverts typically work securely guard jobs? Seems like part of the job would involve potential confrontations which is the opposite of what I would expect an introvert to be suited for.

Yeah I heard the MB claims the cops were in the casino when the shooting started. Another oddity to the story. They should release some CCTV footage and clear stuff up.

I suppose we will probably never know the answer to that question so it is speculation on my part. I watched the event from afar (Scotland) and within an hour of the rolling news coverage I had the "something isn't right here" feeling. As time has past it seems like there is less information being released now than there was within the early few hours of the incident. It also doesn't help that there is so many conflicting official narritaves by police. I now have a "something definitely isn't right" feeling.

You could be right but there are points which have nothing to do with being an introvert and more directed at Schuck and also what he says. Introverts can still speak.

If any part of it is staged, then I legally have the right to assume the entire affair is a complete fraud. This is the legal principle of "fraud vitiates everything."

If any part of it is staged, it likely all is staged. Mixing actors or agents in with real victims when real bullets are flying is a logistic impossibility.