Totally happens to me!!!

what if you pay it off a year early? does no bug under that condition proof that no conspiracy exists?

there where a link here a while back, a Harvard professor had come to the same conclusion

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/71q556/harvard_study_proves_apple_slows_down_old_iphones/

chances are you are talking about that which says they came to that conclusion using google trends for the therm 'iPhone slow'

to be honest, i just read the headline of the post. but i think you found it.

autism at its finest:p

happens to the best of us

try restore to factory setting.

I buy phones outright and never use the bloat OEM stock OS they come with.

Where do you buy them from?

? Anywhere that sells phones, lol.

Nevermind I misread your comment I thought you meant you buy them with no OS installed

Haven't bothered with iPhones since the 6 plus.

Oneplus one, was a fantastic phone, then got even better once the OS was discontinued and taken on by another.

Except for that whole backdoor spyware sending all your info to China.

How bothered are u about it? I couldn't care less if some split link knows my browsing history

Kinda figured someone in /r/conspiracy would have a little bit better idea about what data they are taking. It's just a bit more than browsing history.

stop updating it. When you first purchase your phone the operating system is designed to work perfectly with the hardware. When you update your phone the OS becomes more advanced while your hardware stays the same which equals slower performance. I have an iphone 5 that worls perfectly other than the battery dying quicker than it used which is normal if you never replace the battery.

Came to say this, but you put it perfectly

planned obsolescence is real. That's part of the reason they do updates. But there are ways to avoid it. I plane to upgrade soon but i dont have to.

Planned obsolescence is one thing, but in this case it’s more about software and hardware advancing pretty rapidly in the 24 months it takes to pay off a phone. It’s more anticipated obsolescence.

It doesn’t make a ton of sense to manufacture a product that will out last it’s useful life span. I worked for a major cell phone carrier for a while and people would always complain about the battery life toward the end of their phone’s life cycle. How much are you willing to pay for a battery that last 3 years as opposed to 2? Especially when Brown’s law states the hardware is obsolete?

Before anyone says “They should make phones with replaceable batteries!” I get where you’re coming from and I think you have a valid point. However, people are fucking stupid. They buy batteries off Amazon and EBay and everywhere else that damage the phone and blow up. I e seen this first hand.

They are perfectly capable of writing code that sabotages your phone into the first version of software.

I have not yet experienced it.

Just because something can possibly be done doesn't mean that's what's happening. I have a 2 year old iPhone that runs just as smooth as when I got it. I never updated to the newer OS. The people I know who did update have slow phones and complain about it.

Except the security updates that prevent people from snooping your phone...

Now you have to pay monthly for iphones or in full. Not paying $700 for a new phone every 2 years. Risk/reward & right now i havent been exploited because of my phone. Its always yahoo or my bank. Wells fargo employees taking my shit & opening new bank accts to pad their stats. My phone is the least of my worries.

Break the payment cycle - buy unlocked phones outright and use prepaid.

It's not a conspiracy, it's called forced obsolescence. It's illegal in France only.

I got a question about this. I tried to argue with someone about it, but they told me that obviously software does get more updated, so of course it gets slower, because the hardware is still the same.

If it ever happens again, can I fight it or what should I be telling them?

chances are they added a disclaimer with every software update mentioning that older hardware may experience performance loss and its at a users risk to update it

No one is forcing you to update your phone. If you have an iPhone -> /r/jailbreak

Okay? how does this answer my question?

They do force you, or nag the shit out of you until you do.

Omg hahahaha

Lol...go ahead and fight it. I believe Nokia (pre Microsoft) was the only company that did not care if you bought a phone and kept it 10 years. What also screws up phone operating systems, are carrier back end services. But generally speaking, most manufacturers don't improve software for older hardware. There should be a limit, because obviously you can't run Linux or Windows on a machine from early 2000s. But in general, by design forced obsolescence, forces consumers into new devices every 2-3 years

All the more reason to learn how to unlock your phone and install custom ROMs. Sure you void your warranty but you can always install a fresh OS when things get crummy acting

I don't even have cellphone anymore.

I don't have an answer for your question, I just wanted to say that I think it's hilarious that multiple people are replying to your comment who obviously didn't read what you asked. Seriously, I'm laughing so much. What assholes.

Haha, at least you knew what was up :)

Is forced obsolescence the same as planned obsolescence? I remember learning about that term at university, never heard of forced

Same thing, one is more accelerated than the other

I had bought a olympus digital camera 8mp in 2006, I only took about 100 picture with it, then I took out battery and put it in my drawer, after about 10 years, when I took it out last summer, the camera won't work, no focus.

Yes

Same kinda thing happened to the PS3 when the PS4 came out. I'm not much of an online gamer so I never had my PlayStation Network set up on my PS3, but had multiple friends that did. All of their consoles crashed within a month of each other, just after the PS4 was released. Fishy.

I joked when the Xbox One came out that the 360s would probably start "crashing." Not two months after the One launched, my 360 started slowing down, then eventually just red ringed. Never having any issues prior, it seemed oddly convenient that it happened when it did.

Its been talked about with Iphones for many years. Right before a new model comes a new software update is released that makes old phones unreliable.

I dated a girl who's grandpa worked as an engineer for Ford. His only job was to figure out how to make certain parts fail at a certain amount of miles.

does her uncle work at Nintendo as well?

Pay month to month on smaller carriers. The others big named ones are a fucking scam and rip you off.

Just another example of how corporate greed has fucked everything up for everyone.

I can’t believe we as a people are even willing to pay for cell phone service. It’s a freaking racket. Before my sister and I got on a family plan I was paying close to $100 a month..

The worst part about it is the the Telecommunications industry is a monopoly with very little choice for consumers and incredibly high prices. Our old buddy Bill Clinton made sure to pass the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which did away with restrictions to just how big media companies can be. The result was companies like Clear Channel buying up independent radio stations, and companies like Verizon, Sprint and AT&T tightening their stranglehold on the wireless communications industry. The big companies own all of the wireless network infrastructure so the barrier to entry for new companies trying to compete is a humongous obstacle.

Our electricity should be free. Our water should be free And our fucking wireless communications should be free.

Our electricity should be free.

Why?

Before I get downvoted, I am interested to see peoples logic on this one. We should not downvote questions. There is benefit from open dialogue without fear :)

That is one huge reason electricity should be free. During the time of it’s discovery there were very wealthy and powerful men who saw an opportunity to make a fortune. Nicola Tesla saw a way to make the world a better place; for free. This is why his ideas were stolen and kept secret from the public and he died poor and in obscurity.

If you want to see some of the amazing things Tesla discovered that were kept secret, just go to YouTube and type in “John Hutchison effect”. You will not be disappointed.

yup

I have to say I'm still using my Galaxy Note 3 that I purchased the month they came out. I maintain it by cleaning out old files and deleting old text once in a while and keeping my photos on my computer instead of my phone. Sure I'm on my 3rd battery but it still runs great.

Don't tell them, but I bought my Galaxy SII in 2011 and it's still going strong.

That's why you get an android phone with an active dev community.

There is a class action lawsuit against Samsung for the Note 4 eMMc be failing. There are tons of posts about it recently with no work around then paying Samsung for a new motherboard. https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/816744-samsung-class-action-galaxy-note-4-defect-leaves-phones-inoperable/

built-in obsolescence. many devices are manufactured to expire shortly after the warranty period is up. home printers (the ink specifically) are the most shameless version of this.

I only buy cheap like $99 phones. Moto G is a godsend. Does everything the $1,000 phones do.

it's called planned obsolence !

Planned obsolescence is one thing, but in this case it’s more about software and hardware advancing pretty rapidly in the 24 months it takes to pay off a phone. It’s more anticipated obsolescence.

It doesn’t make a ton of sense to manufacture a product that will out last it’s useful life span. I worked for a major cell phone carrier for a while and people would always complain about the battery life toward the end of their phone’s life cycle. How much are you willing to pay for a battery that last 3 years as opposed to 2? Especially when Brown’s law states the hardware is obsolete?

Before anyone says “They should make phones with replaceable batteries!” I get where you’re coming from and I think you have a valid point. However, people are fucking stupid. They buy batteries off Amazon and EBay and everywhere else that damage the phone and blow up. I e seen this first hand.