I'm going to go with the idea that no independent footage will ever come out. The reasons for that will also never come out, and people will forget after the next event.
Exclusives on those videos could be worth thousands of dollars. Why are there not more videos? There are usually tons of people filming shit with their phones at every concert I have been to.
Our best bet for finding a picture of Paddock carrying big luggage (if he even did) would be if he was accidentally in the background of one of the million selfies that are taken in the MGM daily.
The crime scene photos were apparently leaked by an lvpd anon, it had nothing to do with a hack.
But many people from the event likely had their phones wiped and many others who were more closely affected may be under gag order in the name of 'national security', at least that's my guess.
I worked IT for a casino for a few years. While the surveillance cameras were indeed of the IP variety, they ran on a completely different physical network from the rest of the company. Said network also had absolutely zero outside network access. I bet Mandalay Bay is the same.
Additionally, at the casino I worked at, Surveillance would only keep 2 weeks worth of video before deleting what they had, unless a request came through to archive some footage.
At this point it's entirely possible Mandalay has no stored footage, and if they did, there's no way a hacker is going to get data off an air gapped intranet without having physical access.
Mandalay having no footage stored is absolutely unlikely. If this is the case, the head of their security department and anyone associated should be terminated and prosecuted immediately.
Internet Protocol cameras generally work on Network Video Recorders. These NVRs allow the video to be stored locally and accessed/recorded off site. Well built security centers always have a backup location as a contingency. The back up location is generally in a different location/state incase a disaster occurs. For MGM, I would guess that this location was most likely relocated to the new MGM National Harbor in Oxhill, Maryland
At a recent conference I attended, a special agent who works specifically at a local Caesars affiliated casino was doing a presentation. She said that are laws that come into play with retention of video for casinos. If I remember correctly, she said they have to hold all footage for 5 years, and any video with motion for 8. Other things can impact the length of storage, such as persons identified in suspicious activity reports. These reports generally indicate persons trying to launder money, pass fraudulent bills, etc.
From when I have dealt with casino networks, the security network had no external connections. They were totally isolated, and the security systems didn't have an outside connection to the internet. Someone would have to have physical access to either a computer that is on the security network or to the server recording the video itself. Some backup video and store it for a certain amount of time though. I can't speak to Mandalay Bay itself, but that's generally how they are operated.
How come some genius hacker wasn’t able to hack Mandalay Bay’s video surveillance systems
If a genius hacker capable of compromising a major casinos surveillance system, they wouldn't be looking for publicity. They'd be looking for some poker buddies.
23 comments
1 BrotherPancake 2017-10-24
Is your only experience with Earth through movies or something?
1 justice_reigns 2017-10-24
Movies tell veiled truths that we're told are lies.
1 Beetlejuiceisking 2017-10-24
I'm going to go with the idea that no independent footage will ever come out. The reasons for that will also never come out, and people will forget after the next event.
1 soss-boss 2017-10-24
I know it's what they want, but I'm terrified of what could happen next.
Halloween is coming... they wouldn't kill children to try to start a civil war would they?
1 Beetlejuiceisking 2017-10-24
Wouldn't surprise me.
1 mastigia 2017-10-24
Exclusives on those videos could be worth thousands of dollars. Why are there not more videos? There are usually tons of people filming shit with their phones at every concert I have been to.
1 RnBmobile 2017-10-24
you're not allowed cameras in casinos, but yeah still weird.
1 Modtrigger3X 2017-10-24
They've been wiped
1 YouWillBeFood 2017-10-24
honest question, but how? remotely?
1 FullMetalSquirrel 2017-10-24
The FBI did it from ones that were collected. I'd guess they can do it remotely. They remote grabbed control of Sharyl Attkinson's computer.
1 superportal 2017-10-24
Does anybody have any info how original crime scene photo came out?
It looked like several of the photos had been cut from a larger panoramic-style shot (angles fit perfectly).
I would be interested to hear any more theories/details on that.
1 cupcakeKittycats 2017-10-24
Sadly, I say this being totally serious:
Our best bet for finding a picture of Paddock carrying big luggage (if he even did) would be if he was accidentally in the background of one of the million selfies that are taken in the MGM daily.
1 oxfouzer 2017-10-24
Hmm, I wonder if this is an angle to review...
1 Wubzwubz 2017-10-24
The majority of people are oblivious/in denial to most of this shit and just upload to social media without a second thought
1 agent570358201 2017-10-24
The crime scene photos were apparently leaked by an lvpd anon, it had nothing to do with a hack.
But many people from the event likely had their phones wiped and many others who were more closely affected may be under gag order in the name of 'national security', at least that's my guess.
1 FullMetalSquirrel 2017-10-24
The fact an LVPD would leak crime scene photos and do so that quickly should be a giant red flag.
1 agent570358201 2017-10-24
Why's that... Is it hard to believe there were members of the LVPD who were unhappy with the FBI taking over the investigation monday morning?
1 cutol 2017-10-24
Yeah, "leak" is more likely maybe.
1 Sordidbass 2017-10-24
I worked IT for a casino for a few years. While the surveillance cameras were indeed of the IP variety, they ran on a completely different physical network from the rest of the company. Said network also had absolutely zero outside network access. I bet Mandalay Bay is the same.
Additionally, at the casino I worked at, Surveillance would only keep 2 weeks worth of video before deleting what they had, unless a request came through to archive some footage.
At this point it's entirely possible Mandalay has no stored footage, and if they did, there's no way a hacker is going to get data off an air gapped intranet without having physical access.
1 Explicit_Spade 2017-10-24
Mandalay having no footage stored is absolutely unlikely. If this is the case, the head of their security department and anyone associated should be terminated and prosecuted immediately.
Internet Protocol cameras generally work on Network Video Recorders. These NVRs allow the video to be stored locally and accessed/recorded off site. Well built security centers always have a backup location as a contingency. The back up location is generally in a different location/state incase a disaster occurs. For MGM, I would guess that this location was most likely relocated to the new MGM National Harbor in Oxhill, Maryland
At a recent conference I attended, a special agent who works specifically at a local Caesars affiliated casino was doing a presentation. She said that are laws that come into play with retention of video for casinos. If I remember correctly, she said they have to hold all footage for 5 years, and any video with motion for 8. Other things can impact the length of storage, such as persons identified in suspicious activity reports. These reports generally indicate persons trying to launder money, pass fraudulent bills, etc.
1 GfY86 2017-10-24
From when I have dealt with casino networks, the security network had no external connections. They were totally isolated, and the security systems didn't have an outside connection to the internet. Someone would have to have physical access to either a computer that is on the security network or to the server recording the video itself. Some backup video and store it for a certain amount of time though. I can't speak to Mandalay Bay itself, but that's generally how they are operated.
1 Orionaux 2017-10-24
I watched oceans 11. Confirmed.
1 escalation 2017-10-24
If a genius hacker capable of compromising a major casinos surveillance system, they wouldn't be looking for publicity. They'd be looking for some poker buddies.
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-24
I think a ton of people don't even know how to get video off their phone & upload it to a video service.