I don't browse it regularly enough to know but if they're saying "glorifies death" is enough to get a sub banned, I'd say that sub definitely meets that criteria. "Do Not Post Violence" is a rule too, Ive seen several beheadings and shooting crimes on WPD.
The admins said WPD was reviewed but not in violation, though some posts on the sub are. So what exactly do they ban for?
If they're banning outright for encouraging or inciting violence, r/fullcommunism should be banned just like r/Nazi is now. Their sticky literally has people complaining in it that they can't wish death or violence upon people any more.
Admin messages say they're taking context into account for stuff like "kys" so r/fullcommunism might be safe because the sub "is a light-hearted, 'self-aware' socialist satire subreddit."
Their sticky literally has people complaining in it that they can't wish death or violence upon people any more.
How is that justification for banning them? The mods are trying to adhere to and reinforce site-wide policy. /r/Nazi represents a fundamentally genocidal philosophy. That is some serious false equivalence, dude.
The mods are begrudgingly adhering, the sticky says "for now" lol
There's literally a post on their front-page that says "Stalin did nothing wrong", Stalin and Hitler may be politically different but they're both genocidal maniacs.
Nazi's saying others should die or suffer violence isnt fundamentally different from Communists saying Nazi's should die or suffer violence. You dont get to break rules because you're on the PC side of the moral compass.
You honestly don't understand the fundamental differences between intolerance towards Jews and gays and intolerance towards a genocidal philosophy and its adherents? Therein lies the problem.
You're misunderstanding me completely, the rules state clearly what can and cannot be on the site. The rules do not make provisions for "intolerance of the intolerant".
So, again, the mods are reinforcing those rules. The fact that you interpret it as "begrudgingly" is neither here nor there. If they fail miserably, perhaps they'll be banned too.
But saying they should be banned because people are complaining in the sticky is absurd. If your approach was implemented, what's to stop trolls from plonking a couple of such comments in every sub they don't like in order to generate an instaban?
I also checked said sticky, and it seemed to be one person talking about punching Nazis, not wishing death on anyone.
I never said they should be banned because of the sticky, they should be banned for the content in their subreddit. The users in the sticky exemplify my point, that they do not want to participate.
"Stalin did nothing wrong" is just as bad as saying "Hitler did nothing wrong." people who praise Hitler despite him killing millions of Jews, gays, blacks, and disabled people is no different than people saying "Stalin did nothing wrong" despite him intentionally starving millions of Ethnic Ukrainians to death.
If the mods were adhering to the rules, why is that post still up?
My apologies for misunderstanding and misrepresenting your reasons. Really sorry about that. That was some weak reading comprehension on my part.
Nevertheless, I still think there is a significant difference between an extant comment praising Stalin (whose crimes included targeting Ukrainians to quell independence) in a somewhat satirical sub, and whole communities sincerely dedicated to racism and genocidal philosophies.
Not an issue, I should've been more clear. The comment about the sticky was more of a side-bar comment and I didn't make it clear that I was talking more about the content.
And while you may be right, there shouldn't be room for satirical calls to violence either in my opinion. If someone made a sub, clearly labeled it as satire in every way possible, and focused it on being a Nazi version of fullcommunism, I'd say the exact same thing I'm saying now. I'm extremely happy that Reddit is taking action on legitimate hate subs with no purpose but to incite violence or otherwise degrade others, satire or not, is dangerous.
I'm using this as an example, and does not necessarily indicate my political leanings:
I think the very first Trump general on /pol/ (as in way before there was an idea he had a chance) was satire, but from /pol/ came this huge wave of alt-right. In fact, I'm pretty sure most of 4chan and /pol/ is satire. That doesn't make what they do okay in my opinion, because it attracts people who are not being satirical. Have you seen how many legitimate Flat Earthers get fooled by r/flat_earth?
Me using fullcommunism was meant to just be an example, I don't have a personal vendetta against them or anything and I'm sure there are many worse than they are. That's just the one I happened to look around at the time I was looking into these rule changes because I saw it mentioned in the r/drama thread.
As long as we keep some kind of semblance of order, and moderate the obvious TOS violations religiously, they are not going to kill this sub. It acts as a catchall and honeypot of conspiracy material. If they ban the sub all these users and all of their energy will spread and cause disruption elsewhere.
They ain't ever gonna help us, like with TMOR and the like. But we are a necessary evil to contain the darkside.
Pertinent to know what they're doing and what the criteria are for getting banned
The more people say "so what" the further they'll reach until people actually get upset. Imagine them banning this sub for questioning LV or 9/11 or something because "it's insensitive to the victims".
That isn't happening now, but it's important to pay attention so you're not off guard if it does
The rules are clear, subs who break them get banned, the ones that make reddit look bad get banned quicker. Really don't see how this is on topic for this sub.
They literally just changed the rules today, that's why this is happening
Several rule breaking subs (by definition of the rule) are still up. r/imgoingtohellforthis, r/watchpeopledie, r/fullcommunism just off the top of my head.
So what rules can't change? They always go for the worst examples first s. What's the conspiracy here a private company making decisions based on what they think will make them most profitable?
A private company making decisions based on what they think will make them the most profit
Why would that mean it's not conspiracy related at all? Half of the conspiracies we talk about in here are about exactly that. Monsanto, Enron, Google, Apple, Facebook, every cable company, Bayer and the rest of big Pharma, and more
They also only posted this in r/modnews and not r/announcements, meaning only people who moderate subreddits can see it. Why hide it if there's no agenda behind the rule change.
Saying "they're just getting the obvious ones now, they'll get the rest later" has never worked here. Reddit has taken quite a bit of criticism for not enforcing the rules consistently every time they do this.
You agree they are well within their rights to choose what content is allowed on the site, yes? They aren't hiding anything. Again you can't even pretend it's on topic for this sub
Just because they're "within their rights" to do something doesn't mean there's not an agenda behind it lol, I never said that they "can't change their rules"
The conspiracy involves enforcement of their own rules. If you arbitrarily enforce rules when they're convenient to you, or to silence a narrative, that would qualify as content suitable for here.
Anyone have examples of posts on r/DylanRoofInnocent? Was it blatant racism or is calling him innocent what got the sub banned? I guess I'm asking was it purely a racist sub or was it more of a conspiracy sub dedicates to that shooting? I've never visited that one
As long as we keep some kind of semblance of order, and moderate the obvious TOS violations religiously, they are not going to kill this sub. It acts as a catchall and honeypot of conspiracy material. If they ban the sub all these users and all of their energy will spread and cause disruption elsewhere.
They ain't ever gonna help us, like with TMOR and the like. But we are a necessary evil to contain the darkside.
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1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
I'll never understand why they ban gore subs but always leave watchpeopledie
1 bannanaflame 2017-10-25
Is watch people die heavily moderated?
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
I don't browse it regularly enough to know but if they're saying "glorifies death" is enough to get a sub banned, I'd say that sub definitely meets that criteria. "Do Not Post Violence" is a rule too, Ive seen several beheadings and shooting crimes on WPD.
The admins said WPD was reviewed but not in violation, though some posts on the sub are. So what exactly do they ban for?
If they're banning outright for encouraging or inciting violence, r/fullcommunism should be banned just like r/Nazi is now. Their sticky literally has people complaining in it that they can't wish death or violence upon people any more.
1 trjb 2017-10-25
Admin messages say they're taking context into account for stuff like "kys" so r/fullcommunism might be safe because the sub "is a light-hearted, 'self-aware' socialist satire subreddit."
1 Benroark 2017-10-25
How is that justification for banning them? The mods are trying to adhere to and reinforce site-wide policy. /r/Nazi represents a fundamentally genocidal philosophy. That is some serious false equivalence, dude.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
The mods are begrudgingly adhering, the sticky says "for now" lol
There's literally a post on their front-page that says "Stalin did nothing wrong", Stalin and Hitler may be politically different but they're both genocidal maniacs.
Nazi's saying others should die or suffer violence isnt fundamentally different from Communists saying Nazi's should die or suffer violence. You dont get to break rules because you're on the PC side of the moral compass.
1 Benroark 2017-10-25
You honestly don't understand the fundamental differences between intolerance towards Jews and gays and intolerance towards a genocidal philosophy and its adherents? Therein lies the problem.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
You're misunderstanding me completely, the rules state clearly what can and cannot be on the site. The rules do not make provisions for "intolerance of the intolerant".
1 Benroark 2017-10-25
So, again, the mods are reinforcing those rules. The fact that you interpret it as "begrudgingly" is neither here nor there. If they fail miserably, perhaps they'll be banned too.
But saying they should be banned because people are complaining in the sticky is absurd. If your approach was implemented, what's to stop trolls from plonking a couple of such comments in every sub they don't like in order to generate an instaban?
I also checked said sticky, and it seemed to be one person talking about punching Nazis, not wishing death on anyone.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
I never said they should be banned because of the sticky, they should be banned for the content in their subreddit. The users in the sticky exemplify my point, that they do not want to participate.
"Stalin did nothing wrong" is just as bad as saying "Hitler did nothing wrong." people who praise Hitler despite him killing millions of Jews, gays, blacks, and disabled people is no different than people saying "Stalin did nothing wrong" despite him intentionally starving millions of Ethnic Ukrainians to death.
If the mods were adhering to the rules, why is that post still up?
1 Benroark 2017-10-25
My apologies for misunderstanding and misrepresenting your reasons. Really sorry about that. That was some weak reading comprehension on my part.
Nevertheless, I still think there is a significant difference between an extant comment praising Stalin (whose crimes included targeting Ukrainians to quell independence) in a somewhat satirical sub, and whole communities sincerely dedicated to racism and genocidal philosophies.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Not an issue, I should've been more clear. The comment about the sticky was more of a side-bar comment and I didn't make it clear that I was talking more about the content.
And while you may be right, there shouldn't be room for satirical calls to violence either in my opinion. If someone made a sub, clearly labeled it as satire in every way possible, and focused it on being a Nazi version of fullcommunism, I'd say the exact same thing I'm saying now. I'm extremely happy that Reddit is taking action on legitimate hate subs with no purpose but to incite violence or otherwise degrade others, satire or not, is dangerous.
I'm using this as an example, and does not necessarily indicate my political leanings:
I think the very first Trump general on /pol/ (as in way before there was an idea he had a chance) was satire, but from /pol/ came this huge wave of alt-right. In fact, I'm pretty sure most of 4chan and /pol/ is satire. That doesn't make what they do okay in my opinion, because it attracts people who are not being satirical. Have you seen how many legitimate Flat Earthers get fooled by r/flat_earth?
Me using fullcommunism was meant to just be an example, I don't have a personal vendetta against them or anything and I'm sure there are many worse than they are. That's just the one I happened to look around at the time I was looking into these rule changes because I saw it mentioned in the r/drama thread.
1 donnie_brasco 2017-10-25
So what?
1 WarSanchez 2017-10-25
I mean, it's important to know.
Knowing what Reddit is doing and who is getting the boot is kind of a big deal.
Especially since this sub is one of the most diverse communities I'm a part of.
1 mastigia 2017-10-25
As long as we keep some kind of semblance of order, and moderate the obvious TOS violations religiously, they are not going to kill this sub. It acts as a catchall and honeypot of conspiracy material. If they ban the sub all these users and all of their energy will spread and cause disruption elsewhere.
They ain't ever gonna help us, like with TMOR and the like. But we are a necessary evil to contain the darkside.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Pertinent to know what they're doing and what the criteria are for getting banned
The more people say "so what" the further they'll reach until people actually get upset. Imagine them banning this sub for questioning LV or 9/11 or something because "it's insensitive to the victims".
That isn't happening now, but it's important to pay attention so you're not off guard if it does
1 donnie_brasco 2017-10-25
The rules are clear, subs who break them get banned, the ones that make reddit look bad get banned quicker. Really don't see how this is on topic for this sub.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
They literally just changed the rules today, that's why this is happening
Several rule breaking subs (by definition of the rule) are still up. r/imgoingtohellforthis, r/watchpeopledie, r/fullcommunism just off the top of my head.
1 donnie_brasco 2017-10-25
So what rules can't change? They always go for the worst examples first s. What's the conspiracy here a private company making decisions based on what they think will make them most profitable?
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Why would that mean it's not conspiracy related at all? Half of the conspiracies we talk about in here are about exactly that. Monsanto, Enron, Google, Apple, Facebook, every cable company, Bayer and the rest of big Pharma, and more
They also only posted this in r/modnews and not r/announcements, meaning only people who moderate subreddits can see it. Why hide it if there's no agenda behind the rule change.
Saying "they're just getting the obvious ones now, they'll get the rest later" has never worked here. Reddit has taken quite a bit of criticism for not enforcing the rules consistently every time they do this.
1 donnie_brasco 2017-10-25
You agree they are well within their rights to choose what content is allowed on the site, yes? They aren't hiding anything. Again you can't even pretend it's on topic for this sub
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Just because they're "within their rights" to do something doesn't mean there's not an agenda behind it lol, I never said that they "can't change their rules"
The conspiracy involves enforcement of their own rules. If you arbitrarily enforce rules when they're convenient to you, or to silence a narrative, that would qualify as content suitable for here.
1 Mecanatron 2017-10-25
What's a dankest?
1 WarSanchez 2017-10-25
?
1 Mecanatron 2017-10-25
Your link leads to a meme.
1 WarSanchez 2017-10-25
Really? I logged out and clicked on link and it leads me to the post. Weird.
1 Mecanatron 2017-10-25
check the address bar
https://imgur.com/a/nUa4G
1 trjb 2017-10-25
Weird, the link works when I'm logged in but if I open it incognito I get that same page.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Not for me?
1 Mecanatron 2017-10-25
check the address bar https://imgur.com/a/nUa4G
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Wtf, that's really strange. Mine just goes straight to the Mod comment in r/drama
1 WarSanchez 2017-10-25
/r/pol /r/NationalSocialism /r/europeannationalism /r/far_right /r/actualjournalism /r/Nazi /r/racoonsareniggers /r/DylannRoofInnocent /r/ReallyWackyTicTacs /r/whitesarecriminals
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-25
Anyone have examples of posts on r/DylanRoofInnocent? Was it blatant racism or is calling him innocent what got the sub banned? I guess I'm asking was it purely a racist sub or was it more of a conspiracy sub dedicates to that shooting? I've never visited that one
1 Benroark 2017-10-25
Good.
1 mastigia 2017-10-25
As long as we keep some kind of semblance of order, and moderate the obvious TOS violations religiously, they are not going to kill this sub. It acts as a catchall and honeypot of conspiracy material. If they ban the sub all these users and all of their energy will spread and cause disruption elsewhere.
They ain't ever gonna help us, like with TMOR and the like. But we are a necessary evil to contain the darkside.