He threatened the military industrial complex which is controlled by the same groups. He was the black sheep of the family and got the hole in his head because of it. His family knew and threw him to the wolves. He was the first Roman Catholic of nobility bloodline talking about ending the CIA and screwed with the MIC. There will never ever be another one. He wasn't a saint but, knew some things. This is why his head was blown off.
My guess is these events are immortalized in writing and passed on through the generations. Sure, they could destroy all the evidence but then they lose the red pill capabilities of all this information. It's more valuable for the copies to exist and remain hidden then for them to erase all trace.
Great question.
If they shredded any damaging stuff. Nobody would actually know about it unless insider leak, which is highly uncommon and dangerous. Exactly, little faith. I'm learning about FOIA in my intro to criminal justice class. They don't have the classifications on the text book but the foia.gov has the 10 confidential guidelines that literally conflict with each other so you could easily find a damaging document, referred against the guidelines you can find 9/10 reasons for the 1 sentence.
The Team is conducting archival processing on the documents to prepare the records for scanning. Agencies with equities in the withheld materials have been notified that previously withheld documents will be released in 2017 absent a successful appeal to the President. The staff is working with NARA’s Office of Innovation to determine the best way to present the documents through archives.gov when released in 2017.
Once the digital release is completed the hard copy documents will be interfiled into the five million pages of the paper Collection.
It takes around 90 days from the release date to see them. You can request to get them the day of release and have them mailed to you. They will put them online after so many requests are put in...
could it be that today is the day it will be available but FOIAs need to be filled out regardless and we may need a week or two until it gets released? And how many agencies and organisations should be queried to get a good stack of documents?
I think everyone hopes there will be good stuff in them, but with the Oswald files having been destroyed in a fire and all...I just don't think the government would release something that could potentially harm them.
Yea you're right. Not directed at you, I guess this is my half ass attempt of getting the "other side" of the argument out to the lukers/readers...sorry
They've been scheduled for release for twenty-five years. If anyone deserves credit its congress, who passed the bill - or funnily enough 41 who signed it in 1992.
Thats certainly a way to look at it, but I think they put the wait to let everyone involved die of old age first. I don't think intel agencies ever give up information willingly.
Well, they were due to be released after 25 years. They got bumped back another 25. Hence they're due today. The CIA asked Trump to extend for another 25 years and he said no.
The presidents tweets have become a major part of his term and his most direct communication with the public.. I think his words deserve to be scrutinized otherwise why the fuck are you here if youre ot gonna do your due diligence?
My theory (dont know how likely) is that hes trying to compare his situation to JFK and possibly avoid assassination attempts
I'm not. Plenty of time to get rid of anything they need to and to fix it to what fits right with no or little suspicion. I am not expecting much truthfully.
Honestly, I've never really thought governments keep documents that prove their nefarious activities.
Anything relevant to a juicy theory was probably burned on the spot.
I mean, why would they?
"Hey, guys, I've got this idea to assassinate the president. Let's write it all down and then lock it in a vault for 50 years."
Guys we have had a big day today. Im sure everyone is tired. What you guys say? Lets all take the day off from the electronics tomorrow and just go out. You know get some fresh air, maybe go fishing or take your dogo for a very long walk.
Im sure our eyes, fingers, and brain will appreciate that. Right guys. Whos in? Everyone right?
Painter, builder, carpenter, street sweeper, bin man, skydive instructor, climbing instructor, welder, plumber, pretty much all "artistic" endeavours, list goes on.
And depending on what you extrapolate as "electronics" ( I took it to mean phones/computers..and not things as cash registers) any customer service job such as star bucks worker, bar workers, waitresses, etc...
I could see some of those jobs where if you're lucky you wouldn't have to touch a phone for a day. Although I'm pretty sure if you have customers and you decide to not answer your phone all day without any notice, you might lose some business.
when the satanic CIA can't use black magic because all their demigods ran away, from this dimension, their boss literally just lost the game of 100 years, a test with victory conditions you might say.
When everyone wakes up today and begins reading through the files, I want you all who love all that is good and just, all who love the America it could still be, who value life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, remember this -
They killed our President. They killed Jack, and then Bobby. Two bright lights of hope, cut down. The world was never darker than that day, I tell you. Because it wasn't like the light had gone out of the sky - it was like the light fell out of sky for all time, forever. They killed, in biblical terms, a Just Man. They don't teach kids about Kennedy anymore. No one cares. But we do.
9/11 was most likely pulled off by the same people.
The assassination of JFK led to the escalation of the Vietnam War, doubling-down on the Cold War, a monster of a President (LBJ), the revamping of the military industrial complex, unchecked power for three-letter agencies, a nuclear Middle East, and the breakdown of trust between the government and the people.
JFK Jr's plane crash is presumed to be caused by the Clinton's so Hillary could be the NY senator instead of JFK Jr.
There have been a number of clinton enemies who have died in plane crashes except Jr'd crash occured during good flying conditions and he had a wealth of experience.
He was on his way, to make a public announcement, for his NY Senate campaign, when his plane went down. One day later, Hillary Clinton announced his campaign for NY Senate.
I have a wife and kid, so I can't exactly spend time dedicated to just doing nothing. So I salute all of you who are able to spend your time reading through the releases so the rest of us can find out the information (even if it only ends up being 3 readable and unredacted lines total).
There's different theories as to who and why JFK was assassinated.
Let me be clear: The "magic bullet" theory is absurd--along with the subsequent official investigations. I suggest everyone read the leaked CIA memo 1035-960 where the CIA weaponized the term Conspiracy Theorist. The document has literal bullet points on how operatives should dilute, disrupt, and obfuscate theories around his death.
Also, please research JFK's discussions with the found of Israel, Ben Gurion, in relation to Israeli nuclear testing.
JFK was disliked by numerous nefarious groups, but he really pissed off the military industrial complex, intelligence agencies, and radicals like the Irgun. The Dimona conflict isn't mentioned as much, but in my opinion it was one of the top reasons he was taken out.
I honestly am a newcomer. I haven't delved into all the past information or dug deep into the theories but from what I have talked about, my thought always remained - a cover up.
Not sure they did, even in the video they say if its true.
I dunno, I'm kind of secretly a fan of the mob hit theory. Especially since (allegedly) Santo Trafficante made a deathbed confession of his involvement in the assassination.
Also, when people bring up how, if the entire military industrial complex was in on killing JFK, why hasn't anyone leaked any info. Well, with a mob hit, you don't have a 100 people in on it, its a handful of loyal men, and they are very good at keeping quite.
Again, it's not something I shout from the rooftops, but of all the theories out there, it's the one I tend to lean towards.
I honestly believe it was a small vendetta agaisnt the President. That a small group of men within the FBI planned it and made it happen not that the whole entire FBI was in on it.
The mob theory definitely pans out, but then it bears the questions, why did a mobster kill the assassin? If the assassin (Oswald) was part of the mob, then why did Ruby (Oswalds assassin) kill him?
Oswald is a constant "what the hell?" the more you look into him the more you realize he wasn't capable of something like that. He didn't have the expertise in my opinion.
I dunno, I'm kind of secretly a fan of the mob hit theory. Especially since (allegedly) Santo Trafficante made a deathbed confession of his involvement in the assassination.
Also, when people bring up how, if the entire military industrial complex was in on killing JFK, why hasn't anyone leaked any info. Well, with a mob hit, you don't have a 100 people in on it, its a handful of loyal men, and they are very good at keeping quiet.
Again, it's not something I shout from the rooftops, but of all the theories out there, it's the one I tend to lean towards.
The Dimona conflict isn't mentioned as much, but in my opinion it was one of the top reasons he was taken out.
The real reasons are never mentioned or talked about. They talk about the distractions....Oswald, multiple shooters, the secret service behavior etc and all the mystery.
When Jack Ruby, real name Jack Ruby Rubenstein murdered Oswald, the dots were then quite clear to be connected.
Israel was determined to get nuclear weapons, and JFK was not going to allow that to happen, as he plainly told Israel's Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, in this letter, of May, 1963.
He followed up with another letter to newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Eshkol in July, 1963, demanding that the US be allowed to inspect the facility.
Quoting the JFK letter:
"You are aware, I am sure, of the exchanges which I had with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion concerning American visits to Israel's nuclear facility at Dimona. Most recently, the Prime Minister wrote to me on May 27. His words reflected a most intense personal consideration of a problem that I know is not easy for your Government, as it is not for mine. We welcomed the former Prime Minister's strong reaffirmation that Dimona will be devoted exclusively to peaceful purposes and the reaffirmation also of Israel's willingness to permit periodic visits to Dimona....
"Therefore, I asked our scientists to review the alternative schedules of visits we and you had proposed. If Israel's purposes are to be clear beyond reasonable doubt, I believe that the schedule which would best serve our common purposes would be a visit early this summer, another visit in June 1964, and thereafter at intervals of six months."
According to CNN the docs are going to have information about Oswald's trip to Mexico City, as well expose CIA connections with the mob and their attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro.
Really, that could be a big reason they haven't wanted to release them. The Intelligence agencies know they've done a lot of dirt in the past and have been trying to rehabilitate there image for years now. This could set them back with the publics trust.
Never forget: The JFK assassination was staged. It was a hoax.
All conspiracy theories about him being actually killed are planted misdirection. And this release of files is also misdirection. JFK was never a black sheep, never had any intention of dissolving the CIA, challenging the FED or anything like that. It was all just a pose. At bottom, he was an actor playing a role in the demented script that TPTB wrote for the twisted lie we call the 20th century. He was very good at acting the part, but make no mistake: he was pretending.
Yes, of course more mainstream websites are certainly more credible. LOL. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean their content is invalid. It's just evidence of your ignorance. How about trying to actually deal with the piles and piles of evidence they deal with rather than dismiss them because you have your head up your ass?
I checked out the first PDF. No sources. How are we supposed to glean anything meaningful when there aren't any citations? The author could be spewing any bullshit and there's no source to check it against.
Actually, that's not true. He does cite a few sources, but there is no citation list. Instead he either gives you hyperlinks or the name of the source when he mentions it.
However, it is true that there are very few sources. The reason is that he is making a highly original argument here based on reason, logic and lots and, most importantly, lots of photographic evidence. He doesn't need to cite the photographs, because he shows them to you.
Another reason why he cites few sources: part of his argument is that "mainstream" conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination are purposeful or planted misdirection. So why would he cite sources that he thinks are purposefully misleading?
But above all, it's clear that you didn't bother to actually read the paper or digest the evidence. You are dismissing it because you jumped to the end and didn't see any references. How incredibly lazy of you.
I did jump to the end because I'm not going to waste my time reading nearly a hundred pages of conjecture. It's one thing to question the truth of the official narrative, it's another thing to cook up a theory without basing it on real world evidence.
Photos do need to be cited. Firstly so the photographer can get their due credit, and secondly because without a source there's no way to compare the published photo to other versions of it. How then do we know the image hasn't been manipulated?
The only citation I found was copy pasted from wikipedia, the others were hyperlinks. Overall, that's lazy and reflects poorly on a piece of writing that clearly took a long time to research and type up. We learn in grade school how important it is to cite our sources so others can reference the same source material as us. This helps reinfornce the validity of a point and can reveal issues with the data being presented.
it's another thing to cook up a theory without basing it on real world evidence.
Wow, you're really, really good at lying. Remember: if you're really good at something, never do it for free. The paper is drowning in real world evidence, as I told you. That you don't wish to look at any of it says a lot more about you than it does about the evidence.
No, the photos do not need to be cited. They can all easily be found on-line and easily checked. You will see that none have been altered.
We learn in grade school how important it is to cite our sources so others can reference the same source material as us.
Again, why would you cite sources that are chalk full of lies and misdirection? There is no source he can cite because his argument (at the time) was very novel. But, hey, glad to see you're still thinking at the level of an elementary school student. Nothing like school to set our minds free. Don't ever give up: you might graduate 6th grade some day.
Anyway, I can tell by your dishonest debate tactics where this is going. You're going to try to waste my time and take me round and round through a maze of illogic, denial, and constantly shifting ground. So I'm getting off this train and will not respond to you anymore. Good day.
You're very confused about history my man. His body lamguage indicates 100% that he actually was a progressive... you're just spinning up your own weird ass theory, and using sketchy websites to support it...
You're just full of it man. You want to say he's an establishment guy? that's absolute bullshit. You don't know anything about history if that's what you think of him.
No, the problem here is that you think you know something about history, but in fact all you know about is the kabuki theater our governors have passed off as history. It's manufactured bullshit spoonfed to people like you with tiny intellects and childlike levels of credulousness. Let me guess, you probably think that JFK wanted to challenge the Fed with silver certificates and that Smedley Butler was some kind of hero, right?
Look man he wasnt perfect. I didnt say he wasn't rich or that his family wasnt involved in crime. But he wanted to chop up the CIA, he wanted to get rid of fractional reserves. He was the most progressive president since FDR, and thats a fact. He tried to move us away from doing coups and forcing our economic system on ither countries. He paid the price for this... now if you want to pretend that he was a complete scumbag then you tell me who you think is better. Carter? Bush? Clinton? Obama? All a bunch of scumbags in comparison.
You didn't say he wasn't rich, but you did say he wasn't establishment. But he was. And yes, they are all scumbags. Some of them are simply assigned to play the role of the "good guy." Just like FDR. If you think FDR was so progressive, you should read part 1 of my paper on Smedley Butler. It can be accessed through the link I gave you above, but here's a direct link to it. Read the first two pages and then skip to page 9 after the break. FDR was not what we were taught. None of them were. Not even Gandhi.
FDR was a war monger in the end. He was involved in highlevel financial shit too... every president is. But they both wanted banking reform, health care, and overall less war.
He these two are "progressive" because right now we're in a frickin death spiral. They represent a direction that we need to head in. We won't survive if we don't get one of these bone-thrower guys... thats alls im saying.
Oh, right, now the coin dropped: you believe the fairy tale that Presidents are the real decision makers who actually have power. Well sorry to be the one who has to tell you this, but they are just fronts for ultra-wealthy families who really run and control this world. Oh, and another thing, Santa Claus isn't real, either. I know the truth hurts, but there comes a time in everyone's life when they have to abandon the comfort of fairy tales and grow up. I think your time has come.
Jesus christ are you presumtuous. No. Wrong again. They dont have power in the areas that really matter, but they can influence people very easily. Promoting those ideas is progressive. Deal with it.
But what they do have is virtually unlimited military power at their disposal, and they choose to use it or not. Those that try their best not to use it even with all the internal pressures are progressive, fucking deal with it.
But earlier you said that FDR was progressive. And then you admit he was a war monger. And then you said those who choose not to use the military power at their disposal are progressive. So that means FDR was not progressive. You are tying yourself up in logical knots of inconsistency due to your unwillingness to face facts. Oh well, you can keep living in your fantasy land of make believe fairy tales. Have a nice life. Good bye.
if we had someone equal to fdr right now we'd be moving in the correct direction. That would be progress. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be progress. fuckin obviously
If you read my research I linked to on FDR's fealty to Wall Street and the Banksters, you'd begin to have an inkling of just how wrong you are. You've swallowed their propaganda just as they intended. Amazing how it has eaten away at your brain.
Great, I get it, rich democrats aren't ideal... I'm saying he rebuilt capitalism from the ground up, and helped people. Socialism was infused into the system... and it helped. Are you denying these facts?
Right now we have different factions of fascists running things. Going back to something like FDR or Kennedy wouldn't be progress? Do you really seriously think that? What are you fucking insane?
So would you literally disagree with the statement "The new-deal was good"?
Also what would you suggest as a solution to fascism? What are you about man? Historical opinions aside, can we agree that a third party is not feasible under this system, and that both parties are dangerous as fuck? I just don't know where else you'd look for a solution, other than people like FDR and others like Henry Wallace.
Yes, there are forms of fascism that make life easier for people and forms that make life harder. If forced to choose, prefer the form of fascism that includes most New Deal reforms. I would rather live under welfare capitalisms than under neo-liberal capitalism.
But we differ fundamentally on our understanding of the role that politicians like FDR played in bringing about those reforms. I say he was acting on orders; you say he was his own man. On this issue and many others about how politics work, we fundamentally disagree. And so I don't see any reason to continue this back-and-forth. It's a waste of my time and yours.
No I never said that... I think he happened to be the guy that did some good things. I personally dont much care for him as a person.
And let me say this- I don't vote for neo-liberals because of the lesser of two evils bullshit. I dont believe that. But I know for a fact the new deal helped the middle class, and ended the dust bowl. So yes, I happen to respect FDR's presidency. I don't respect Truman or mostly any of the others. But yes JFK.
Even if someone is currupt and is a liar, to even come out and say that there is a shadow government, that's a highly respectable thing for a president. Would he have gotten the things he said he wanted? Probably not. But he provided people with critically important information.
And another thing- those that try to minimize the number of false flags- they are progressive on that.
Maybe simply doing damage control isn't good enough in the long run, but its a hell of alot more progressive than what we're looking at now... wouldn't you agree?
I remember listening to the scanner the day of the Boston Bombings. There was a call for some sort of small explosion and subsequent fire at the JFK Library.
Since then I’ve always wondered what files, or information on the assassination may have been stowed away there. Personally, I think anything relevant to the truth of the JFK assassination is long since gone. George HW Bush “reviewed” the files within his first few days in office, as well as the aforementioned JFK Library shenanigans, I just think anything resembling the truth has been redacted, lost, or burnt,
That said; One thing is for sure (at least to me), ever since it was announced that these files would be released, there has been an absolute shitstorm of shilling here, on 4chan, and on Voat. Usually when the shills show up en masse, it’s for a reason. And most of these newcomers are not your regular run of the mill shill. These fuckers are smart, well spoken, and real good about dodging rules.
Now look, I realize there is a lot of shit going down right now, so the shills are not just for the JFK file release, but I also firmly believe the deep state is shitting bricks like never before. The file release, Uranium One, Hollywood pedos, Vegas narrative BTFO, Poppy Bush being accused ... it certainly feels like an orchestrated attack on the deep state. At least I’m hoping and praying that is the case anyway.
Either that, or we are all being played like a fucking fiddle....
Welp, gonna go pop me some popcorn now cuz no matter what, things are about to get pretty interesting.
I remember listening to the scanner the day of the Boston Bombings. There was a call for some sort of small explosion and subsequent fire at the JFK Library.
Since then I’ve always wondered what files, or information on the assassination may have been stowed away there. Personally, I think anything relevant to the truth of the JFK assassination is long since gone. George HW Bush “reviewed” the files within his first few days in office, as well as the aforementioned JFK Library shenanigans, I just think anything resembling the truth has been redacted, lost, or burnt,
why would ANY of those documents be there? It's not like a literal library of everything related to jfk.
(though I agree that they're never going to release anything with the truth in it)
Presidential libraries are where ex pesidents have a bunch of documents available for review just like the national archives. No where near everything but they still have the stuff there
But none of this stuff would have been available for review is what I'm saying, I can't imagine they'd keep all the top secret files there too just because its the jfk library
Problem with shills is, they don't work on woke people with more intelligence than them. normies and newbies to this sub maybe, MAYBE. I do believe they red-pill more than they keep those asleep, to be honest.
Yeah... that's exactly what they want you to think. Go ahead, get cocky and assume that you're smarter than the rest of the world, and that you're the only one who can see the truth.
I’m not worried about shills, are you? No one in their position is winning now nor will they moving forward. They will be seeking unemployment in under a year.
They have lost the volume containing the info on Oswald. This is a farce. They have lost what was probably the most vital part of the documentation.
The remaining volumes will be redacted to oblivion so that nobody alive will be implicated.
I predict that there will be one small revelation that will amaze and satisfy most people and keep the remaining events secret which is the very definition of a limited hangout.
Even worse, they could potentially fabricate evidence that a foreign government was involved like Russia, feeding into the current Russiaphobia climate that the CIA are currently pushing.
accidentally deleted the files, accidentally smashed the harddrive, accidentally shredded all physical copies, accidentally burnt all the physical copies, accidentally
At this point, I’m convinced that there’s an inter-agency vault somewhere that’s highly guarded, where things go to be “lost”.
Either that or a giant incinerator.
What did it for me was the interview with the guy from NASA being interviewed about going to mars. The interviewer says something to the effect of “why not go back to the moon and establish a refueling base?”
“We had that technology [to get to the moon] in the 1960s, but we, uh, destroyed that technology, and rebuilding it would be a painful process.”
K.
Then NASA records over and loses Apollo tapes and data?
K.
The government really does think Americans are completely brainless. In many cases, they’re right unfortunately.
To be fair, the only way that technology would work now is if the parts were manufactured in the exact same way they were then, which they aren't. You can view the source code on stackoverflow I believe (it's available somewhere, can't remember if that's the correct place though).
Moon landing conspiracy still doesn't sell imo. The fact that the Soviet union never denied it pretty much confirms it happened, hell they even congratulated the astronauts.
I see what you’re saying, but there are a lot of things about the Apollo missions that stink. You can see wires in certain clips, there’s footage of Aldrin and crew using clever camera trickery with a round window in low-earth-orbit to achieve a disingenuous shot of the earth from “120,000 miles out”. It’s pretty damning footage. I’ll track it down for you if you haven’t seen it. It was included in Bart Sibrel’s “Something Funny Happened On the Way to the Moon” documentary.
I can’t stand the guy personally, but the footage stands.
What would happen if you popped your eyeballs out of their sockets but kept the optic nerve attached, and then POINTED ONE EYEBALL DIRECTLY AT THE OTHER?
The simulation we’re living in would BSOD. That would be the end of it.
And what would that be? There's 0 reason to lie about space, especially when it's such a mundane thing these days. Even private companies are launching satellites.
You’re right that there’s no reason to lie about space. However, if we were unable to fulfill JFK’s promise to land a man on the moon before the end of the decade and return him safely to earth, there is very good reason to lie about that. I can see both sides of the argument when it comes to the Apollo debate.
Ultimately it isn’t that important compared to conspiracies like 9/11 that are negatively affecting us here, now, today.
The decisions of the 1960's Russian regime to congratulate the USA for the accomplishment of Apollo has nothing to do with confirming space travel beyond the Van Allen belts.
The sentiment at the time, IF Russia had complained, it would be seen all around the world as "sour grapes", "poor losers".
A quick check of human space altitude records will show that the Russians, in 1965, achieved ~500km (300 miles) altitude and for the past 52 years have stayed well below the VAB.
The space altitude record speaks louder than words, for if, travel beyond the VAB was possible, the Russians would have sent a female cosmonaut to the moon so that Russia could enjoy the world wide prestige.
The fact that Russia has stayed below the VAB for so long is prima facie evidence that can not be disputed - and it speaks VOLUMES about their attitude toward human space travel.
Yeah nah, the USSR wouldn't avoid the biggest propaganda victory of the century just to avoid being called Butthurt. If it was fake they would have proved it with their own Astronomists, Physicists and Cosmonauts who'd provide the scientific explanation as to why it would have been impossible. Even if the western world didn't believe them, sowing the distrust and suspicion would have been good enough.
It won’t matter if they are all dumped today. There will only be a .0000001% chance that the website will not go down due to being overwhelmed with traffic.
He had Atkinson's disease that's why his skin is darker. It will come out in the files that's why CIA killed him. He had psychotic episodes and freaked out while dealing with Gorbachev and ruined a deal because he started acting crazy. Also didn't send in air support to Cuba (to push the Cubans to war for our provocation) [Cuban Missle Crisis] Along with the disbanding CIA, ending/auditing the FED. This will be the revelation to appease people and leave it at that by saying oh well I know the government did it. But will not implicate anyone.
With the recent smoke and mirrors by the CIA about "how desperately" they don't want the documents released its clear nothing of importance remains. Though I'm hopeful those sick fcks have missed something and we can nail them.
Look we all know what's going to happen. They will spin a story to where it was incompetence and not conspiracy. They will admit the government covered up evidence but they will give a boring false reason for this: to hide that they already had early knowledge of the attack. It's their default line. I 100% guarantee this is how it will go down. It's boring but still sinister enough to satisfy the average Joe.
Are we going to see everything, or will some documents remain secret forever?
NARA is trusted with preserving our archival holdings permanently and holds that all records in our legal custody will eventually be available for research. That said, there are categories of records in the collection that, in accordance with the Act, will not be released in 2017. Sections 10 and 11 of the act discuss grand jury information and records held under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code (tax return information) as well as records covered by a specific deed of gift. We have identified a small number of records, or portions of records, that fit into these categories. For all other records, how long records stay withheld after 2017 will be determined by the President, who has final appeal authority.
At the CAPA Press Conference at the National Press Club in March former ARRB chairman Judge John Tunheim discussed these possible items as not being turned over to the ARRB or possibly hidden for this release:
Oswald CIA Office of Security File Volume 5, last seen by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which recently garnered some publicity.
Files of the first chief council to HSCA Richard Sprague, who took his files home with him when he was fired for conducting a real investigation. The Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB), responsible for identifying and obtaining records, missed them because they confused the attorney Richard Sprague with the computer programmer of the same name whose extensive files on the assassination are part of the JFK Collection. Sprague's HSCA files, paid for by taxpayers that rightfully belong at the Archives, are currently in Sprague's Philadelphia law office.
Soviet KGB records of Oswald's time in Moscow and Minsk that were obtained by Norman Mailer are now in the possession of Mailer's former associate Lawrence Schiller, who refused to turn them over to the ARRB.
Unedited AF1 Radio Transmission tapes from November 22, 1963. Two different edited versions of these tapes are available, one on cassette tapes released by the LBJ Library and a reel to reel version discovered among the personnel effects of General Clifton. The White House Communications Agency (WHCA) is responsible for these tapes.
Church Committee interviews with Gerry Patrick Hemming, Orest Pena, Immigration and Naturalization Service and Customs officials, and other Church Committee testimony are missing.
U.S. Customs records on Cubans requested by the HSCA were so voluminous they couldn't begiven to the HSCA, but now consist of only a few records at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).
The audio tape recording of Gaeton Fonzi's interview with Mitch Werbell was erased and the transcript is missing, only Fonzi's notes remain.
John Newman says that Eisenhower era reports on assassinations of foreign leaders that he copied years ago are now missing from the NARA, and he believes such records are being deliberately stolen.
Bill Simpich notes that CIA Mexico City Station (MCS) cable to Headquarters from September 26-30, 1963 are missing as well as cables from CIA HQ to MCS, JMWAVE to HQ and HQ to JMWAVE cable traffic on the same dates, and all cable traffic between MCS and JMWAVE between September 26 and October 20 and November 22 to December 30, 1963 are missing.
The CIA's study of the July 20, 1944 attempt to kill Hitler to be adapted for use against Castro, as mentioned by Desmond FitzGerald in his September 23, 1963 briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the subject of a FOIA lawsuit by the Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC).
Office of Naval Intelligence - ONI Defector File, as identified as an assassination record by Navy Lt. Com. T. Pike, but never turned over to the Archives.
ONI 119 investigation reports on Oswald's defection and the assassination, as referred to by the Navy investigators who wrote them and the officers who read them.
The assassination files of the Director of the ONI Rufus Taylor, whose office had undercover agents working in Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, installing and maintaining the sound system, who reported, in the only surviving document, that Oswald was seen in the club.
James Mastrovito - the Secret Service Agent responsible for the SS records on the assassination acknowledged to the ARRB that he "culled" - destroyed many records and flushed into a food processor a vile of material labeled "JFK brain - Armed Forces Institute of Pathology," with no repercussions.
The Secret Service destroyed many records, including the Advance Reports for the Tampa trip after the JFK Act was passed by Congress, although copies of some of these records were found among the personal effects of Agent Gerald Blaine, who wrote the Tampa Advance report.
The "Homme Report" from a Congressional subcommittee reportedly contains information on Robert F. Kennedy's knowledge and approval of CIA plans to kill Fidel Castro.
RFK's date book for 1963 is missing from the Kennedy Library.
Four boxes of witness testimony turned over to NARA in April 1965 by US Attorney now missing.
OSI - Office of Special Investigation military intelligence review of Oswald's State Department file is missing.
When former US Marine officer Oliver Revill joined the FBI he reported on an investigation of Oswald and files on him at a US Marine base in North Carolina, records not in the public record.
The Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel had documents excluded from the Warren Commission, according to a memo sent to ARRB and NARA archivist Steve Tilly, "more stuff lost in the shuffle," says Malcolm Blunt.
The ARRB tried to obtain Oswald's New Orleans court records but were told they were accidentally destroyed when sent for microfilming.
Army Intelligence files on Oswald were kept from the Warren Commission and then "routinely" destroyed.
In 1976 when the CIA Counterintelligence staff were reviewing JFK assassination files the Security Office did not hand over their "secondary files" on Oswald, aka "research files," that were not seen by HSCA or any other component of the CIA, as Malcolm Blunt says "they are like a whole separate agency."
Larry Haapanen notes, White House Situation Room Incoming-Outgoing Message Log for 11/22/63-11/30/63 (the extant log for November 1963 ends abruptly on the morning of 11/22/63).
Records of the Dallas-based 488th Military (Strategic) Intelligence Detachment (Counter-Intelligence) unit histories and rosters 1962-1963.
Records of FBI wiretapping of Oswald while in police custody as well as post assassination taps of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine and Marina and Robert Oswald phones, as reported by Irving police chief Paul Barger.
White House Communications Agency (WHCA) records for 11/22/63 including tape of Secret Service motorcade security radio channel that included Roy Kellerman talking as the third shot was fired, and radios in LBJ's car, the AF1 cockpit and the WHCA base station at the Dallas Sheraton hotel.
Missing Mexico City records include LILYRIC (Soviet embassy photo records, Sept. '63); LIFEAT (wiretape records, for all of 1963), daily wiretap summaries for 1963, and records withheld by ARRB at request of CIA and FBI that may be released in the October 26, 2017 data dump.
Many relevant FBI 134 Informant records are missing or being withheld.
FBI dispatch tape of Dallas calls for 11/22/63 is missing.
The Harper Fragment bone found at Dealey Plaza on 11/23/63 and believed to be a bone from JFK's head disapeared.
The photographer who took autopsy photos claims to have taken photos not among those at the NARA today.
The National Photo Interpetation Center (NPIC) report on their study of the Zapruder film and Art Lundal's briefing of CIA Director John McCone is missing.
The JMWAVE NPIC records and other NPIC assassination records were, according to a NPIC secretary, boxed and at the orders of Robert Kennedy sent to the Smithsonian Institute instead of the NARA.
Excellent comment. It's important to note though that there were many imposters pretending to be Oswald before the assassination for sheep-dipping purposes. Not all documents on where Oswald was should be believed immediately.
In JIm Garrison's On the Trail of the Assassins he details how Oswald was reportedly (according to the Warren commission and backed up by flight documents) in Russia while at the same time his name was being used at the Cuban embassy in Mexico as well as different places in New Orleans showing that someone was trying to make it look like a "Lee Oswald" (sometimes Leon Oswald) was someplace he wasn't at the time.
I just wanted to commend you for organizing all of these Points of Interest. It's crazy to think that it's been over fifty years and there are still people keeping up the good fight for truth. That is how you honor the memory of someone like JFK, a relentless drive for truth. I just want everyone in this thread to take a single moment to appreciate themselves for what they're doing here. A lot of researchers that have passed with time are being honored with posts like this across the internet today; it's pretty phenomenal to see this all playing out.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that when they killed JFK, they killed themselves! From that giant rose the common "conspiracy theorist" as the CIA would later seem them. These truthseekers carried the torch and illuminated the lies that dark elements sought to conceal. These individuals that used everything in their power to cover up their crimes thought that with time the story and the "theorists" would die out. Yet, here we are!! A testament to their miscalculations, to their misdeeds. The American spirit and the human drive for TRUTH has been strong enough to withstand a half century of coverups and silence; of dissent and division. Even if the files are faked, or the important bits are left out; the fact that we have all assembled here today is a beautiful thing. (And another nail in the coffin of those who would choose to see us fighting each other instead of fighting tyranny.)
So thanks everybody, it's good to see you out here today!
"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
James Mastrovito - the Secret Service Agent responsible for the SS records on the assassination acknowledged to the ARRB that he "culled" - destroyed many records and flushed into a food processor a vile of material labeled "JFK brain - Armed Forces Institute of Pathology," with no repercussions.
None of these items other than a few of the FBI informant records that already have separate threads were in yesterday's release. Some of them are even present in the previously held documents list...
Amazing how so many documents and physical evidence surrounding the most defining event of our modern age has been so "mishandled" if not blatantly covered up. Anyone not familiar with the controversy only needs to look at this list, whether they understand it or not, and would come to realize that something fucky is going on.
In the video of the shooting, why was Jackie's first reaction to reach back over the trunk and grab, what is assumed to be, brain matter or skull fragments? I always thought that was a weird action.
Probably shock. One time I saw a video of a girl who got half her face cut off. She was in shock and was just grabbing at the flap or her face that was just hanging off, not comprehending what was happening.
She was trying to grab the chunks of his brain, I took a conspiracy theory class in college and we had a guest speaker come in to talk about the JFK assassination. He was the guy in the film who jumps on the back of the car and pulls her back in. He said she was just grabbing at the chunks of brain screaming
I think people are afraid to say "she was trying to escape." While this particular instance has no effect on what actually happened, it is totally plausible that she was just trying to get out of the line of fire. The woman just saw her husband get his head blown off and wanted to get out of there. When you see her reach for the agent it looks like he is telling her to remain calm and sit back down while they speed out of there. I think she later collects the pieces because it is proven that she did have some of it cuffed in her hands.
She was in shock. She just watched her husbands head get blown open right in front of her was trying to grab the piece of his skull that had flown back. Who know's what she was thinking.
I'm going with the secret service agent behind JDKs car... George Hickey got jumpy when shooting started and accidentally let one go from his M4 right into his head. Embarrassing as hell for the agency...covered up
Judyth Vary Baker, Oswald, Cancer-causing bioweapons, and the assassination of JFK:
The story of Judyth Vary Baker is about as extraordinary as they come. It starts with a book by Edward Haslam called Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics.
Haslam tells a riveting detective-like tale that spans numerous decades, resulting in the publishing of his first book on the subject, Mary, Ferrie and the Monkey Virus.
After Judyth went public in 1999, Haslam rewrote the book (as he finally had the witness for his theories that he had been lacking) and released it as Dr. Mary's Monkey.
Haslam focuses on the macabre and unsolved murder of prominent orthopedic surgeon and cancer researcher Dr. Mary Stults Sherman.
Sherman's body was discovered in 1964 in her apartment in New Orleans. However, the precise nature of her death wasn't released to the public for over 30 years.
It was prematurely concluded that the killing was the work of a "sex-crazed lesbian" who conveniently was never found. Not surprisingly, it was never released to the public that Dr. Sherman's entire arm and right side were missing, exposing her insides.
A superficial mattress fire in the apartment was blamed for her severe injuries, even though temperatures of thousands of degrees would be necessary to locally disintegrate flesh and bone while leaving the rest of her body intact.
In addition, Dr. Sherman's heart and liver were stabbed, and the heart wound was inflicted while she was still alive. Curiously, her death occurred on the same morning that the Warren Commission first began taking witness testimony.
Haslam argues that Dr. Sherman was engaged in a top secret project, ostensibly run by the well-known researcher and surgeon Alton Ochsner, and included the young Judyth Baker, David Ferrie, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Dr. Ochsner, who was fiercely anti-Communist, had ties to the CIA, FBI, and even the Mafia, and was part of the very real effort at the time to remove Castro from power, by any means necessary.
It's well known that elements of the CIA and Mafia were actively engaged in trying to kill Castro. Their main concern was that a violent death could ultimately be traced to US intelligent agencies, potentially resulting in World War III.
Eventually, a more stealthy approach was attempted: perfect a cancer-causing bio-weapon to take out Castro. Although cancer-causing viruses had been discovered a decade earlier, the idea of "inducing" cancer in an individual was still considered by most to be in the realm of science fiction.
Dr. Sherman was actively involved with this project, as well as the one of the most enigmatic figures in JFK assassination lore, David Ferrie. Ferrie is perhaps most known today as being the first suspect of Jim Garrison's infamous investigation into Kennedy's death.
Amazingly, Garrison revealed in an interview with Playboy that he suspected David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were somehow involved in a secret cancer project, however that little tidbit has largely been forgotten, and it seems even Garrison himself never realized the implications of this connection.
In addition to being a defrocked priest and a pilot for the CIA and Carlos Marcello (the Mafia king of New Orleans), Ferrie just happened to be involved with Dr. Mary Sherman, one of the most prestigious female scientists in the country.
Ferrie had allegedly developed an interest in cancer research. He filled his apartment with white mice--at one point he had almost 2000, and neighbors complained--and he wrote a medical treatise on the subject and worked with a number of New Orleans doctors on different means of inducing cancer in mice.
He also lost all of his hair, and in light of his curious hobbies, this may have been the result of his dabbling with toxic chemicals. He was found dead only days after Garrison first accused him of being connected to the JFK assassination.
Eventually the bio-weapon was more or less perfected, and it was subsequently successfully tested on (at least) one inmate at a nearby facility. The subject died in 28 days. However, it seems that their efforts were too little and too late, for the coalescence of interests that wanted to remove Castro from power had completely changed their directive and focused their sights on Kennedy instead.
According to Baker, David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were under the impression that they needed to hurry and created the weapon before their superiors got impatient and killed Kennedy instead.
Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly involved with this project, but more in the capacity of running errands and doing some of the dirty work, as he killed and dissected the cancerous tumors on the experimental mice on several occasions.
Baker, although very young, had already established herself in the field of cancer research. While still in high school, she had induced cancer in mice faster than any public research being done at the time (one week). She attracted the attention of numerous prominent people, including Dr. Oschner, and she soon found herself being trained at the prestigious Roswell Park Memorial Institute in 1961.
Baker and Oswald were hired on the same day at Standard Coffee, and then one week later they both were moved to Reilly. Their jobs at Reilly Coffee were covers for their actual activities. Baker, as the secretary, was responsible for clocking Oswald out to cover up his extended absences, and she still has numerous time cards for Lee with her initial "J" on the front.
Anna Lewis, who was married to David Lewis, another well-known figure in JFK assassination lore, is perhaps the last living person who has gone on record saying she saw Judyth and Lee together and that they were lovers. Here is a video of Anna Lewis.
As for when things went wrong, Baker claims that a letter she passionately wrote to Dr. Ochsner doomed her future career in the medical world.
She had been extremely upset when she discovered that the "volunteer" the weapon was tested on wasn't a terminally ill inmate as she had been told, but a perfectly healthy young man.
Unfortunately for Baker, the letter she wrote to Ochsner ended up in the hands of his secretary, violating the secrecy of the "Project". This infuriated Ochsner and he abruptly terminated his relationship with her.
After the project unraveled, Oswald (an intelligence asset) began to suspect he was being set up as a patsy for Kennedy's death, but that he believed himself to be part of a team that was going to try and "prevent" the assassination in Dallas.
According to Baker, Oswald stated that his presence in Dallas meant that one less bullet would be fired at Kennedy. She also claims to have met Jack Ruby, who was introduced to her as "Sparky Rubinstein" and she was unaware until decades later that Sparky was the one who killed Oswald.
Ruby and Oswald had apparently been friends for years. Oswald's mother had dated numerous Mafia men, including Carlos Marcello's personal driver, so Oswald had ties to the Mafia from a young age. She was also adamant that her son was a government agent and was framed for Kennedy's death.
It's even been alleged that Ruby himself called the police station where Oswald would be killed and warned them that an attempt would be made on his life.
Ruby's fate, however, was anything but merciful, as he died of cancer shortly after his incarceration. To make matters even more bizarre, Ruby actually claimed to have been injected with cancer while in prison!
This was during a time when such a notion was considered ludicrous by the general population, but it fits rather ominously into the narrative of Haslam and Baker.
It's possible that Ruby knew of Dr. Sherman's project, and he may have been aware of exactly how they induced the cancer: the subject would be submitted to high doses of radiation with an X-ray machine to compromise the immune system, followed by a series of painful shots.
Ruby received this X-ray treatment in jail and then was given several shots from a mysterious doctor. When Ruby's cancer was examined after his death, it was observed to be an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer.
Dr. Sherman herself likely fell victim to this conspiracy, as Haslam suggests that the secret linear particle accelerator in New Orleans that they were using to irradiate cancer cells was responsible for her extreme injuries. Something clearly went wrong while operating the machine, and she was hastily stabbed, while still alive, and her body moved to her apartment in a sloppy attempt to create a "murder" scene.
For more information on Judyth Baker and her story, she is featured in part 8 of the excellent series The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
60 Minutes was once set to release a special on Baker, but an order was given to immediately stop production on the segment and it was never completed.
According to Haslam, the frustrated 60 Minutes team told him that they had spent more time and money on the story than any in the history of the program.
This explanation does not make sense. Maybe they removed the evidence of induced cancer she might have had by removing half of her body.
Dr. Sherman herself likely fell victim to this conspiracy, as Haslam suggests that the secret linear particle accelerator in New Orleans that they were using to irradiate cancer cells was responsible for her extreme injuries
it was never released to the public that Dr. Sherman's entire arm and right side were missing, exposing her insides.
The "audio interview" is the infamous interrogation of red herring Yuriy Nosenko, who was deemed an unreliable witness to Oswald's doings in Russia. Or indeed anything.
I spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply can not ignore about the situation. I believe that most people could understand what actually happened and how it has shaped our world today with about 10 hours of reading. The hard part is communicating what happened in a credible manner since there are so many details, but here is my best shot at it.
Forgive me if I get a few details wrong, but this should be pretty accurate.
Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's.
To really understand this, you have to go back to the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen. They were partners at the big lawfirm, Sullivan and Cromwell. Through their positions in this law firm, they came into contact with very powerful people and represented very powerful companies. Sometimes, they found that their use of international law was not enough to meet the demands of their customers and "friends".
) and many large firms lost access to that natural resource which made them loads of money. So, in order to regain control of those resources, an operation coming from within the CIA (Dulles was not yet director, but had been involved in the CIA for a long time recruiting German officers and others during WW2) was launched and named Operation Ajax. Kermit Roosevelt was sent into the country and provided money and other resources to people there who wished to overthrow Mossadegh (current leader). Once the situation became unstable enough, the US helped to install the Shah of Iran as their vassal dictator. This scenario has been carried out numerous times (well over 30, but the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed) and should seem familiar to you as it is basically what happened in Ukraine by funneling resources through NGOs.
This was the beginning of the CIA covert regime change operations to seize control of strategic countries to exploit for reasons of power and resources. So let's fast forward to Cuba and the Bay of Pigs. Dulles was in charge of the CIA by this point and they, along with the Joint Chiefs, were determined to take control of Cuba and not back down from Russia because there was this perception that there was a great "communist threat". Whether they actually believed that communism was an existential threat to everyone or used it as a convenient excuse to do what they wanted to (similar to the "war on terrorism" now) is up for debate.
So, in 1961, a group of rebels, trained and supplied by the US (hi ISIS) were to go into Cuba and overthrow Castro, bringing control of the island state to the US. Apparently there were notes in Dulles' archives saying essentially that once they were on the beach, this would force Kennedy to use the might of the military, especially planes, to support the rebels in Cuba. Kennedy, in fact, did not do this when he found out what was going on (the CIA did not inform him this was going to happen) and left Dulles' operation to fail and bring about his humiliation.
Another little known fact, is that we also sponsored a coup in France just a few days later which also failed, but the evidence linking it to the CIA was not as strong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961
Then we had the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, which was resolved by John and Bobby Kennedy using diplomatic channels and agreeing to disarm missiles in Europe if Khrushchev withdrew his missiles from Cuba. This opened up a dialog between the Kennedy administration and Russia where they began working toward peaceful solutions to their differences. You can hear this in his "Peace" speech at American University shortly before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40
Many people who follow the conspiracy believe it was his "secret society" speech that got him killed. In fact, it was his pursuit of peace through diplomacy in the face of a policy of imperialism and direct conflict.
So he had already managed to destroy the career of one of the most powerful people in the world (Dulles), was getting rid of the jobs of many CIA staff who had no qualms with violence and covert operations, and was in the process of de-escalating conflicts throughout the world, thus threatening the careers and livelihoods of many people within the military industrial complex.
Well, John Kennedy had problems of the same kind, and he fired Dulles. And that was a no-no. You don’t fire people like Dulles. Kennedy embarked on a new course. He talked with Khrushchev, he had people, interlocutors, who talked with Castro, and, worst of all, he issued two executive orders, saying that 1,000 U.S troops would be pulled out of Vietnam by the end of 1963 and the bulk of the rest by 1965. He was going to give up Southeast Asia to the Commies, and God knows what would happen next with the dominoes falling and Indonesia, and my God… So he was killed by the “deep state.”
Ray McGovern has also said that James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable" basically got it right.
And so, the question: Did Allen Dulles and other “cloak-and-dagger” CIA operatives have a hand in John Kennedy’s assassination and in then covering it up? In my view, the best dissection of the evidence pertaining to the murder appeared in James Douglass’s 2008 book, JFK and the Unspeakable. After updating and arraying the abundant evidence, and conducting still more interviews, Douglass concludes that the answer is Yes.
So that's the story, sorry it is long, but there is so much to understand and if you read the books I listed above, then you will have a much better picture of our past and present.
It should be noted that in addition to working with Khrushchev, it's rumored that Kennedy and the Soviet leader were discussing embarking on a joint moon mission...something that flew directly in the face of the extremely lucrative "Cold War" narrative.
imagine where we could be now, if we had a joint space agency since then. Way less money/power would have been wasted into military (spy-)satellites and the development of new weapon technology.
all that potential... for what? "getting control"? over whom? we are humans. and the ground we stand on is a very little ball. i don't want to waste energy fighting for control. i want to jump up into the stars. ..and they keep binding my feet to the ground, fearing the lost of me. let me free, let me fly up. i'm tired of shedding the shackles. this is a fight that has no future; just an endless cycle, which has to be broken.
He's the ultimate statist. We're just not ready yet for the full throttle boot on the face yet. Give it a few years and the dystopian nightmare will begin and it will get kick started by someone with the same ideaology as your boy Bernie.
It boggles my mind that people in the Conspiracy community want to give more unchecked centralized power to the government over all sections of the economy and daily lives. I mean if you think the government is unaccountable now? And you want to give them more power?
*Joe Rogan had Peter Schiff on the podcast a few weeks ago. Schiff isn't afraid to criticize everybody from the fed to Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump, etc etc, and it all sounds pretty objective and based on real world experience. He's one of the guys who predicted the 2008 crash. He does a good job of explaining how people who follow guys like Bernie probably have good intentions but just don't really get how his plans would effect America. I'm not even close to an economist and I don't agree with him on everything, I do wish health care and education were funded as well as war is in this country and I don't understand why that is so impossible, but a lot of what he says hits the common sense portion of my brain pretty good.
He does a good job of explaining how people who follow guys like Bernie probably have good intentions but just don't really get how his plans would effect America especially in terms of making big government even bigger.
I think of this type of thing as "levels of abstraction".
The first level of abstraction is money helps, so give people money and it will help people! This is where, unfortunately, most people stop thinking.
The second level of abstraction is money helps, but it disincentivizes people from being able to provide for themselves and making good decisions based on the resources available to them. This, unfortunately, is where many people stop thinking.
A third level of abstraction to this could be that giving people money helps, but it incentivizes bad decisions and allows the proliferation of people who make bad decisions or are incapable of coping with the world as it exists creating a government sponsored dysgenics program where the most fit among us are taken from in order for the least fit to procreate.
An even further level of abstraction would be to question whether it is more cruel to deny those who make bad decisions the resources that governments collect through force or to allow their destiny to serve as an example to others, thus serving as a lesson and preventing others from suffering the same fate.
It can go on and on. There are no "easy" answers to these things.
Bernie is marginally less corrupt than HRC. You’re living in a fantasy. Maybe those opioids are making you believe something special about that wretched man.
Bernie was 100% in it as a spoiler to keep real moderate democratic candidates at bay. The sad truth is that there are some governors that actually believe that their party isn’t just a machine and could present a real challenge to a woman who has more strokes than Woodrow Wilson.
Great comment. Not sure if you read the Dulles Biography yet: the devil's chessboard. But it covers a lot of what you mentioned here. One of the most insightful and eye-opening books I've read.
I feel like a lot of the current small "conspiracies" (including some relating to Trump/Clinton) can really be traced back to the military-industrial complex. It's practically hiding in plain sight--we've been in Afghanistan for how long now? And stocks of Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, etc keep going up and up. Not to mention the existence of private mercenary contractors.
I feel like a lot of the current small "conspiracies" (including some relating to Trump/Clinton) can really be traced back to the military-industrial complex.
Sure. Look at the last several presidencies.
Start with Reagan and you find GHW Bush who "Couldn't recall" anything about Iran Contra.
Then you have the dickhead in chief himself, GHW Bush for 4 years.
Then you have Bill Clinton, who helped GHW Bush run drugs through Mena, Arkansas.
Then you have GW Bush who said "Don't believe those stupid conspiracies!"
Then you have Obama, who certainly appears to have strong CIA ties, some of which can be seen in his trips to Pakistan and employment at (no joke, this is the real name) Business International Corporation.
Oh. So this sub is about fantasy. We don’t like source documents. Cool. You want to look like a tin foil hat reptiod believing club 47 dim wit. Good job.
I think the whole questions about Obama's birth cirtificate is that he was the child of a CIA agent and his real birth would compromise that information.
I also think we have CIA and foreign intel standing in as elected officials.
It started with Dulles already, full scale. The most prominent CIA/deep state illegalities came under him. From Iran, Indonesia, Central- and South America up to JFK.
Roosevelt was apparently a problem, hence the business plot, but the late Roosevelt in exile was not a problem anymore. And subsequently they had full control over everything.
You can't look at Afghanistan without looking at opium and the Heroin trade. Opium production is at an all time high under the NATO occupation at the same time the US is having a heroin addiction crisis. It's not a coincidence and the CIA is deeply involved.
Don't forget that right before we invaded Afghanistan the Taliban was in the process of stopping all opium production in the country; then we came in and production skyrockets.
Add any country with the coca plant like Cuba, or Venezuela. This was the starting era where crack/cocaine dramatically rose in popularity.
This is also the era {late 1970's} where the War on Drugs became public enemy #1. While crack/cocaine was panning out, heroin was making it's debut throughout the party scene, everywhere {1980's to now}. Its strongest appearance was in the 1990's and has grown in strength due to genetically produced opium that's being laced with heroin.
Well, what demographics are most likely to abuse drugs? The poor, the disabled, the gay people, and ESPECIALLY the non-white people - who are then incarcerated at inequal rates for drug use, and forced into slavery in the cradle-to-prison pipeline. It especially fits in if you look at the Russian theory about the assassination being an attempted coup by the "ultraright" - these are groups that a far-right society doesn't want. And to tie it back into the military industrial complex, it's worth mentioning that many of those groups can't or couldn't serve in a military until recently.
Do you really think we are going to do anything about the heroin/opium problem or are they just bringing it up as another reason to give police military gear and justify a new "war on drugs" to control the rebeleous civilians...
I think the problem will receive in intensity on it's own like all drug fads do. But heroin or some form of injectable opiod will always be available on the street. I think they will use this as an excuse to further link medical records together. It's also a good way to reenergize the war on drugs which has been losing popularity for a decade. Most of that is just coincidence to the goal which was untraceable money to fund black CIA operations around the globe.
During the political debates we see defense contractors commercials, as if I'm going to go out and buy an F-35.
It's all along the same and it's been for a while. Even Smedley Butler warned of Wall Street trying to bribe generals and military / Intel personnel to make a coup for their bucks.
This may be hard for you to believe, but there are certain forces in the world that may kill people to make it seem like the leader of a country is harming his own people in order to have an excuse to depose that leader and take over the country.
Basically, it boils down to this:
Identify a country you would like to take over.
Destabilize that country via support of activism (like Ukraine) or direct violence (anti-castro cubans, Contras, al qaeda, isis).
Point to the unrest that you have directly caused and claim that you need to send your forces in to "stabilize the situation".
Lie to the public to find a "humanitarian" reason that you are going to war so they will support you. (Gulf of Tonkin, Nayirah Testimony, WMDs etc...)
Invade and install the vassal dictator of your choice.
Have said vassal dictator give you and your friends the contracts to extract natural resources.
Make the country you invaded pay for the infrastructure needed to take the resources from them via loans from the IMF/World Bank by claiming it will be economically beneficial. (Confessions of an Economic Hitman)
Now you control the countries resources and the people of the country are debt slaves to loans they can never pay back and never agreed to.
Repeat
The "War on Terror" was a master-stroke. Who are "terrorists"? Anyone who we say they are.
This may be hard for some to believe, but there are certain forces in the world that may kill people to make it seem like the leader of a country is harming his own people in order to have an excuse to depose that leader and take over the country.
9/11/01 is one of various perfect examples of this.
It's all of it. Big pharma, wall st, military, pentagon etc. Our politicians are completely hijacked by these big organizations. It's the reason we can never make any progress
Here is the page that was scrubbed from wikipedia - "US Covert Involvement in Foreign Regime Changes" - it is a history of the mess made by the CIA around the world - in support large US corporations.
im in the middle of reading Legacy of Ashes, history of the CIA, its a great book, but thanks dude, you have just covered pretty much what i was reading last week.
Thanks for a great summary, happy reading through the files, im guessing you gonna be busy!
For the sake of making clear what I think is gonna happen, I'm going to repost this:
If people think that anything will actually be found in this file, they are fooling themselves. The point of covert actions is to keep them secret. They aren't going to release Allen Dulles' dayplanner and on November 22, 1963 it says "Assassinate the president."
To add to the Executive Orders, look for the EO's on the subject of cooperation in space with other countries, i.e., Russia. The hard core anti-commies were very perturbed that JFK would share space research/ideas/plans/technology with any commies.
Thanks for this. Your knowledge and research is much appreciated.
You mentioned "we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power." In your opinion, would you say this trend began around the Kennedy era? Or was Kennedy simply an outlier?
I think that this whole thing kind of started around WW1, but the complete corruption was not there yet. I take the sinking of the Lusitania as a pivotal event in history that is often glossed over and not examined closely and honestly in the textbooks.
I would say that this trend began before Kennedy, probably centering around the Dulles brothers. Allen Dulles is famous for having said that "Democracy should be left to the intelligent people."
So if I take that into account, then you have to go back to Truman, who founded the CIA (and subsequently regretted it) based on the usefulness of the OSS during WW2.
So, in summary, this trend began the ramp up of those in power who control the direction of the country before Kennedy. Kennedy was simply the complete takeover via a coup. There is literally no distinction (except for it being domestic) between what happened to JFK and all of the other leaders this group of people, most often involving the CIA, have staged coups against across the world.
Brilliant. This is pretty much the view I've come to as well. Although I'm sure your research has much more depth than mine. Happy to see you're seeing the same things as well.
Oh I see. I was reading your first statement wrong. :)
I don't really have an answer, but to me it seems like there are many levels to all the games being played. Many areas of influence that are way beyond the "common man".
It's like being in the stands during a football game. You know who you want to win, and you can even shout out suggestions about what plays they can do. But unless you're on the team there isn't much more you can do than watch and jeer or cheer.
One thing I think a virtuous person can do is to make sure that their own choices and actions are based on rational, just, and moral principles. The masses are like cattle being told to swerve this way and that by a rancher. But if the cattle simply refuse to move in one direction, there's not much a lone rancher can do. And it's the "herd instinct" - action without thought - that actually makes them controllable at all.
This is also supported by the so-called Iron Mountain Report, allegedly commissioned by Kennedy to explore the possibility of moving to a peacetime government for good.
To summarize, the panel went way beyond its mission and did a thorough examination of why governments are so bloodthirsty and how they came to be this way, ultimately coming to the conclusion that governments and war are inextricably linked so that to stop making war would begin to render government unnecessary.
Got a link to any of this? This hits the nail on the head man. This is what it's about. Keep the population in fear and they will always rely on the government and a central authority. The state is the ultimate evil.
The reason he/she used allegedly and so-called is because it is alleged to be a satirical book written by a so-called panel ... simple Google search by title will bring up the book etc...
*They keep telling us we are the best, most advanced military the world has ever seen and I believe it. But I don't see our military making much of the progress overseas that has been promised. So maybe being best isn't enough. Especially in this new era of mass communication, it's harder to maintain the narrative the U.S. is the hero. The War on Terror has already spilled out of the Middle Easy and into Europe. Been there for decades now in reality. Obviously we in the U.S. are looking at some grave concerns in this regard as well. So if Big Government is inextricably linked to War and we aren't winning overseas any more and the war has been coming to our shores in one way or another since 2001, kinda seems like if we want to reduce war, we need to reduce big government.
Here is a post I made previously about how this will all play out:
I think most people who post here would agree that we have a government whose goals is to use the populace as a cash crop and exploit them for their own personal gains. We have domestic spying, a federal reserve system of monetary slavery, and increasingly tyrannical behavior.
With that in mind, I propose that this will all end one way... with massive amounts of violence. This is the way it has always been and always will be as long as there are individuals willing to use violence to get their way.
Take for instance, this idea: Two men, Bill and Tom, have a disagreement about who owns a pencil. Bill says it is his. Tom says it is his. Tom is not willing to kill Bill over his claim to the pencil. Bill, on the other hand, is willing to kill Tom over his claim to the pencil.
If Bill is willing to kill and Tom is not, then simple logic dictates that since Tom is not willing to reciprocate the level of aggression that Bill is, then Tom will cede ownership to Bill.
This is how government treats its citizens in all instances.
Try not paying your taxes because you are against making military contractors rich.
If you claim that you are the sole owner of the fruits of your labor, then you will be killed if you resist. The same goes for every injustice that those in power force on the citizenry.
We are seeing this play out right now. Democracy is being subverted and those in power are more than happy to let people stomp their feet and protest because it will not actually change anything. They know that they have the force of violence on their side that the populace has been told on a bad thing.
Why should the government have a monopoly on violence?
No amount of hand-waving, feet stomping, and protesting will change anything. Only when enough people get angry enough to take direct action against those who use violence to control them will we ever see anything change.
They are willing to kill you to get their way. What are you willing to do?
[disclaimer] I'm not a violent guy and am only giving my opinion on how this will play out based on what has happened over and over again throughout history.
While I didn't know that much in detail, I can to a similar conclusion as you. The straw that broke the camel's back was Cuba. JFK would have literally changed the way the world ran if he had lived.
This is partially right. You fail to link his speech on secret societies and the CIA. No one defines communism either... rather people just presume communism is Russian. It isn't. Communism was started by the Bolsheviks who were actually primarily Khazarians who converted to Judaism back in the 1400s - see Arthur Koesteler's The Thirtenth tribe. They hated Russia and their strategy is simple - take the identities of the host country and move into positions of power in the host country, take control of the media to control the narrative, and extract all of the coutnries resources through central banking and lending at high interest rates to waring governments. That's why Kennedy's dad hated the Jews. That's also why Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110. Without the silver or gold standard there is no such thing as freedom. Howard Buffett talked about this as well.
Here is his article on Gold as redeemable Money
https://freedom-school.com/money/human-freedom-rests-on-gold-redeemable-money.pdf
Alan Greenspan also wrote about this here in his famous article Gold and Economic Freedom
http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm
Really 90% of Communism comes down to implementing a Central bank -something the US has today- in order to control the money supply and thus giving the government a platform to endlessly go into debt. By doing so, it forces the Central bank to continuously print money, stealing the productive capacity of the host nation. In other words, it steals from you bank account by diluting the value of your dollars by putting more into circulation. Kennedy knew this and wanted to put a stop to it. He also knew who was behind it. How? His obsession with Hitler and World War II. Knowing what he knew, he wanted to prevent Israel...... which by the way is such an obvious genocide and was used by the Jews after World War II as their homeland ... a place they aren't actually from... to put them somewhere and to carry out their plans of a "new world order" for complete and total domination of people every where. The United States just decided, after Kennedy, they were too big of a pain in the ass to deal with and decided if you can't beat them join them.
the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed
I was livid when they deleted that. I thought about writing a post about it here, but it's just been all Trump cheerleading all the time, so what's the point? Someone archived the original article, though. It's here.
Were they acting on behalf of Wall Street investors? What would their motive be?
IMO it was Wall Street ultimately, or elements within the investment community who wanted to make a few bucks off their directed chaos along with international actors who had hands in the pot.
Beautifully done I thought.
I was in my second grade class when the nun came in and told us. They sent us home and everyone was watching
the TV. We watched nonstop through Monday night. I
was in church when Oswald was shot. Still mad about that.
Our world really changed that weekend. By 1968, when they killed Bobby and MLK, it was different place.
You have great grasp of the subject. I agree with you completely. So annoying to see the disinformation
theory’s taking up space.
Even shorter? He figured out who ran the world, ("hidden hand" during ww1 &2) spoke of them directly (secret societies) and decided that he didn't like who they were how they did it. CIA drug running ruining American lives, Northwoods, Paperclip, MKULTRA, etc. he knew exactly how it worked his family were insiders during the war. He decided to take them on and get rid of the secrecy and smash them into a thousand pieces. So they took him out, and the same still run the world.
You have simplified my own views nicely. Secret societies and the deep state depend on secrecy, anyone who legitimately threatens their secrecy and continued control will be an enemy to be destroyed...
As a younger dude, just learning the game and its recent history. This is blowing my mind and quite informative/ has put many things in a context that has eluminated me enough to ponder many things i had previously not thought~
For me, once I realized that people could get away with such an enormous lie and essentially brainwash an entire population into believing the lie, then I wondered what else I was being lied to about.
Fascinating! Are you familiar with the lectures of Daniel Sheehan? He provides a lot of good information about the Dulles brothers and the Cabal. Things make a lot more sense once you see all the connections.
I love that your story gives a good reason for the assassination to make the US gov look like they were in the right and is then gilded twice. It was all Iran's fault.
It's so obvious that the US funded the maidan revolt and put anti-russian fascists in the parliament and now the US is selling weapons to Ukraine and sending NATO troops. How is this not obvious to everyone amazes me.
I agree. People want to act like this was a "peoples' revolution" in Ukraine, but it is very clearly a western coup. Especially considering Victoria Nuland's comments about who they wanted to install as the new leader that would serve their interests.
don't apologize for this being long! it needs to be to even basically understand lol thank you for writing this up, very nicely done. your "hi isis" part really got me thinking about it and I think you're right. keep up the good work
Hey there, I found what I think is an interesting Cable, sent to the CIA Mexican Station Chief, in this latest release of documents, dated 6 November 1963.
However, being only in my 30's, and not knowing much of the intricacies of the documents that a researcher such as yourself would know, I'm wondering if this cable raises the same flags for you? Do you recognise the cryptonyms used, the author of the Cable? Does it have any links to other documents you may have uncovered in your research, or read about from the research of others?
You'll find the cable here, it being found in Row 5552 of the released documents.
In this cable, a CIA man called Oliver Galbond — who, in a separate matter, apparently was the CIA man who received by mail photos of an unidentified man, allegedly Oswald, taking in Mexico City — writes to the Chief of Station in Mexico City about an unidentified 'Subject'
This subject had undertaken a two week training school called ENDOMORPH, which was a prerequisite for attending an ODENVY National Academy training course. (ODENVY being the CIA's cryptonym for the FBI).
The cable goes on to give a brief description of the Subject's character, and then suggests that a more thorough character assessment might be obtained from the FBI, that KUBARK (the CIA's cryptonym for itself) requests for such assessments from the FBI "are rare and would exhibit undue interest in Subject. Therefore, FBI comments are not being requested'
The cable ends with a paragraph suggesting that should Mexico Station like to be introduced to the Subject, then CIA Headquarters would be glad to approach the trainers at the ENDOMORPH training school for 'letters of entree to the subject'
• The cable is dated about 2 weeks prior to the assassination
• Who could the Subject be?
• There are no references to ENDOMORPH (that I could find, though I will keep looking) in the CIA files on the CIA website, National Archives, Mary Ferrell Foundation etc
• The cable was previously released in part / released with deletions. I'll continue looking to find the originally released redacted version.
• Given the cryptic references to a Subject, with no intimation this might be Oswald, how is this cable related to the JFK assassination?
• Could it be inferred, from its release as part of documents relating to the assassination, and that Galbond had allegedly received photos of Oswald in Mexico City, that the Subject referred to in the cable is (or was) a person of interest in the investigation into the assassination?
• Could it then be inferred that the Subject is Oswald?
No. All of this has been available for years. It's the old saying that if a lie is repeated enough, then it becomes the truth. Nobody ever bothers to investigate.
A few things to add, the Israeli Intelligence and Israeli international crime syndicate were the driving force behind the pulling of the trigger, they did so without opposition because of the elements which you describe in detail. Kennedy blocked kissenger’s petrodollar, preferring a gdp or gold based currency, Kennedy denied Israelis attempt to build nuclear weapons. Kennedy was pro-hitler and anti-zionist, he did not curb to the israeli lobby and he was a threat to their globalization agenda.
Not months after jfk was slain did lbj permit nuclear arms for israel, and less than a decade later did nixon approve the petrodollar, two major political efforts of the zionist federation.
This is the real reason he was assassinated and I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find it. Now Isreal has something like 400 nukes I'd I'm not mistaken.
Don't forget that we have two filmed presidential speeches one from Eisenhower & one from JFK where they actually tell the public that the government has been corrupted by unelected power.
It still drives me nuts that every American/global citizen is not aware of these speeches freely available on Youtube.
Hahaha, the 60s KKK (Kennedy (John Fitzregald), Khrushchev (Nikita Sergeyevich), and Karno (Soekarno from Indonesia)) are the only KKK i have officially approved.
What if those three survived the rough 60s, eh? Maybe Cold War will ended sooner!
Thanks for the summary. I've been interested for 20+ years and that makes the most sense. I've heard a few people mention "jfk and the unspeakable", ill have to give it a read.
Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's.
That's incorrect. JFK essentially started Vietnam. Watch the recent documentary The Vietnam War. He constantly let a situation escalate and made all kind of stupid decisions.
That's kind of the point here. The people that manipulate things in order to make President's complicit in these actions are who he had a problem with.
He began his presidency listening to his advisors and then figured out they set him up and were self-serving. Just like they advised that the best course of action would be a coup in Cuba, which he agreed to go along with provisionally, but then they set him up so that he would be "forced" to bring in military support, thus escalating conflict with Russia.
spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply ca
Are you the original author of this post? The reason I ask is because I have encountered this exact text before. On 9/24/2016 to be precise. The reason I know the exact date is because I had saved it. I have spent a long time researching the JFK assassination and I believe you are spot on. I believe you have articulated the broad strokes really eloquently. I am curious how what you perspective is on some of the more finer points. Are you familiar with people such David Atlee Phillips, Antonio Veciana, Tosh Plumlee, David Ferrie, etc? I would be interested to get your perspective on certain things sometime.
The archives.gov site indicates they will only begin PROCESSING the records today. They are only starting to digitize items today according to the text on the website.
High-throughput scanners can scan/upload thousands of pages per hour. I don't see why it would be beyond belief that the documents were handed to an archivist today and planned to be ready today, sure.
In October of 2014, after conducting an initial pre-processing evaluation of the withheld materials, the National Archives constituted a dedicated team of four (4) archivists to process withheld JFK Assassination-related records in preparation for the 2017 release of additional materials. NARA has hired three (3) additional technicians to assist with digitizing the withheld materials.
The Team is conducting archival processing on the documents to prepare the records for scanning. Agencies with equities in the withheld materials have been notified that previously withheld documents will be released in 2017 absent a successful appeal to the President. The staff is working with NARA’s Office of Innovation to determine the best way to present the documents through archives.gov when released in 2017.
Once the digital release is completed the hard copy documents will be interfiled into the five million pages of the paper Collection.
Wasn't there a scene in Stone's JFK where Jim Garrison, said that he is encouraging his son to exercise and eat healthy so that he would be alive for this day? Today. I wonder if he made it.
It's a good watch. About 3 hours long. It blew my socks off when I watched it as a kid. Oliver Stone takes some liberties, not meant to be a documentary. Just enjoy the ride.
Does anyone know if the release will include the President's Daily Brieifing for the day after he was killed? On the CIA's FOIA site, the document is heavily redacted compared to others.
Everything I have heard over the last 20+ years has given me enough evidence that I have a theory I believe, but can not prove. (Bit long, sorry about that.)
Oswald got back from Russia after infiltrating it. I believe he gave information about the U2 spy plane program, which led to Francis Gary Powers's plane being shot down. This makes Oswald look like a double agent, but there may have been a reason for that. (Maybe the CIA had spy satellites by this time?)
When he got back, he seems to have been contacted by the FBI and hired to infiltrate a CIA-Mafia program to kill Castro and report back to them.
Once he joined them there were strange goings on. Besides the whole Fair Play for Cuba Committee thing, there was cancer research being done. Dr. Mary (Sherman), Dr. Vary (Judyth Vary Baker) and Dr. (David) Ferrie (as they called themselves) were at work trying to find a way to inject cancer cells into Castro. When that research proved rather slow, they tried to find a virus that could attack the immune system.
It has to be pointed out that Dr. Ferrie was gay, and the first cases of AIDS were alleged to have started in similar lab conditions where gay men had sex with monkeys infected with the virus. Ferrie also worked with monkeys and was part of the gay underground. One can speculate about the origin of AIDS, but I don't believe it happened here.
Eventually they isolated a powerful virus, and could store it in a thermos safely for something like 48 hours before it became ineffective. The idea was for Oswald (who became Dr. Baker's boyfriend) to go to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico and meet with one of Castro's doctors, hand over the thermos and they would get it back to Cuba and into Castro somehow.
However, a hurricane struck Cuba and Oswald was left standing around the embassy while all doctors were forced to stay in Cuba and help out. He left the thermos behind and reported the mission failed.
After that, the deadline the mob gave for killing Castro came and went, and they turned their efforts to killing JFK, seen as lenient after making promises following the Bay of Pigs. Though the CIA, mob and ex-Cubans had different reasons to hate Castro, they were also in collusion on JFK so the project continued.
Oswald reported to the FBI and was told to try to prevent the assassination where possible. Once it became obvious where the assassination was going to take place (there was an aborted attempt in Florida), he moved to Dallas.
An unknown number of hit teams went there to carry it out. One team seems to have included Lucien Sarti, who worked in the Sicilian Connection. Another team was Charles Nicoletti, Johnny Roselli and James Files who worked for Sam Giancana of Chicago. A third team worked for Santos Trafficante.
I forgot which FBI or CIA agent(s) arrived on the morning of November 22nd to call off the assassination, but he/they only seem to have succeeded in turning away the team with Sarti. At least two teams fired at JFK, one from the Dal-Tex building, and Files was behind the grassy knoll and fired the final headshot.
Oswald seems to have been the closest available patsy, as right after the assassination the hit teams left town and there were few people left who were local. The FBI (and specifically Hoover) must have thought it too embarrassing to reveal they had hired Oswald, so Hoover simply had a dossier made up (possibly even before the event) which showed Oswald's connections with Russia. They lost the other records, which won't be found in any new document releases.
Later on Jack Ruby (who was in the program somewhere) killed Oswald because Oswald was not being cooperative and was threatening to blow the whistle on the whole program. As he simmered in a jail cell, Ruby claimed he was injected with cancer cells which were killing him, because HE was almost about to talk.
This is what I believe.
There's also the involvement of the oil men and the military-industrial complex, deMohrenschildt, and Operation Mongoose and many other things, but these aren't as directly connected to the assassination.
Well, I may as well place this here since this is the JFK megathread and we're waiting. The three tramps in the well-known photo were never booked and released after an hour. The identities of 3 other hobos that have been stuffed down our throats for 25 years were booked, fingerprinted, and held in the jail for a week.
Back in the day when City of Dallas released their documents of the event, I remember reading a long transcript of an interview with arresting officer Marvin Wise, who described in detail the arrest. He found these three guys, then later was instructed to drive them to another location, then back again to the sheriff office. He was very intent on getting credit for the arrests, and found out after an hour or two they were released and never arrested or booked -- he was irate at not getting the credit.
I remember the long transcript interview with the FBI agent ended with him asking the assistant if he would get credit for the arrest and he was told no, they were already released.
Now all that exists is a summary or articles about his interview, without the dialog transcript.
Anyhow, not sure why the official narrative is pushing so hard that the three guys spotted running to the freight train after the shooting were the three other homeless guys.
The National Archives website has the list of docs in parts. Under those are excel spread sheets that you can download and use to see what is in each part. Could be useful for anyone who wants to know what date and description of what they viewing/ listening to.
I think they did this on purpose to confuse people. They as in whoever dropped these. It is misleading as they ALL say July but if you look at description it either says, "July 2017 Release - Formerly Released in Part - Part 4 of 4" or "July 2017 Release - Formerly Withheld in Full - Part 1 of 18".
So for whatever reason they labeled them July but they are indeed unseen docs.
From July? Why haven’t I heard they released files in July? It’s all over the news right now. I’m surprised I didn’t know they had already done this. Was it not publicized?
Sorry, I've looked through the comments on here, I'm getting that, I was just following a link from a guardian article I read shortly before, bascially saying, " We’d like your help. The JFK files will be published online on Thursday here. If you’re reading through the documents and you spot an interesting fact or snippet you think we’ve missed, it would be great if you could let us know. We’ve set up a form here for contributions." ..... So I had a look. Don't mind me then,.
Well, thank you for pointing it out to me, I've had a frustrating hour looking at stuff going, this really isn't anything... Very interested to have a nose when they do, I'll keep waiting : )
“There’s some incriminating stuff in here, really damaging to a lot of high ranking people, top people. I’m putting together a team so we can present the new information to you properly. I’ve got the best people working on it but it will take some time. These documents are not easy to read, so I will get it ready for you but it will take a little time, it’s a lot to process. I think sometime during my second term, it will really go down in history as spectacular, they’ll remember it as the time when I show the world and they really find out exactly what happened that day”
Isn't the point of a megathread to have people post here, to keep the sub from being spammed to oblivion with hundreds of posts about this?
Maybe people would be more willing to post in the megathread if a new one was made daily, with links to previous megathreads?
I think having people comment in the megathread is more likely to get their views seen, rather than the entire sub having to sift through posts about it.
I'm not against high effort posts, but most really could (and in my opinion should) have been posted here instead.
Normal stuff, they have protocol for investigating damn near everything. Goes far beyond this stuff, there's even defense plans for things like War with Canada and likely War with Alien Beings.
It's more about "How to deal with civil uprisings at the homefront".
It has always been a good idea to dehumanize your enemies so that your followers are easier to be convinced to fight them.
I don't think the state department can tell me how to hunt in a foreign country.
They aren't. You will note all three rules have something the govrnment of Nepal wants. Also, this document comes from the embassy in Nepal, to the State Dept.
If you were to try and go hunt the Yeti in 1960, Nepal would have made you follow these rules as well.
Cultures that would have never communicated (Tibetans and native Americans, specifically) had stories about them, describing near identical creatures. I would place money on them having existed at some point.
The problem there is we can't say the natives and Tibetans didn't share a similar culture before the crossing. So if they did it wouldn't be surprising to see similar story's from both sides
I wouldn't say "unfortunately", because I think this opens up even more interesting questions.
The same genetic markers are found in these groups, sure. And some burial rites were definitely carried over through East Asia and into the Americas. It's basically a given that people migrated that direction, by land (at least, and also possibly by boat at a later date.)
And the Americas don't have any native apes. But they didn't always have native humans, either. Who's to say that humans are the only hominid that could have crossed the strait? Neanderthals were around much more recently than people think, and other species of human were all over Asia. In fact, we only know about a few other human species due to their DNA surviving in modern humans - in this conversation, the most relevant example being people of far east Asian heritage. There are two entire species that we only know about because of their genetic remnant, and there are probably more that weren't quite so early-modern-human-like. Other hominids were far more prevalent than most people realize, probably because it's uncomfortable to think about the fact that we f$%&* and murdered other human species to death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm very passionate about biological anthropology. There's so much left to be discovered!
My theory on Bigfoot, Yeti and the like, is that sometimes creatures from parallel realities are seen briefly as their dimension “bleeds” into ours. Hence why there are never any remains found.
Real and not real... Reality is not what you understand it to be, we think we know how everything works but we might as well be stuck believing the sun goes around the earth.
Interdimensional. No way they would have to cover up a semi-intelligent ape man just for religeous nuts, the truth must be a worldview shattering type of thinking.
Theoretically all the documents are released. It isn’t a situation where the release is conditionally approved, it’s where the retention of any documents must be actively requested and approved.
Honestly, the more I learn about the CIA, the more I doubt they'd be able to pull this off and suppress its involvement all this time. They probably would have botched the operation to begin with. The agency was a mess of under Ike and JFK.
But they haven’t suppressed their involvement. Just because the general population may not believe that a government agency was involved doesn’t mean its concealed.
That’s like saying because there hasn’t been an official declaration that the government was involved in 9/11 they have suppressed their involvement.
People know the truth even though they haven’t admitted it.
Pretty sure Trump has to agree with these changes, from what I read there’s some disorganisation with submission of the documents which is causing the delay.
That’s BS, the CIA has 25 years notice on this. If I were Trump I’d be like “suck it” and release the whole thing today. It’s unacceptable to pull crap like this. Actually I’m going to write the CIA an upset letter.
No where does any report state it was delayed until tomorrow. Ive seen delayed but no one is saying any specific time table. Notice how much attention this is getting Nationally? They don't want that. They'll wait till the brain dead find the next big story and release them when no one gives a shit anymore. That way if something is found, no one will even care anymore. It's so obvious they are hiding something.
Line 626 is commented out. The HTML points to a press release.It may have been there before, but looks "fishy", wayback machine from 4th of August does not have those lines.
Thank you, I’ve been using that indicator as a quick check to see if anything has happened. Frustrating that people are gumming up the release because they can’t do paperwork.
This is the most relevant info I saw -- of course it could all be a LARP:
Israel killed JFK. Oswald thought he was there to protect JFK. He realized when JFK got shot he was a fall guy and tried to run.
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It is the classified JFK files yes, but it is not so much about JFK because it is deeper than that as you probably know. They are being released for other reasons than just wanting to know the truth about JFK. This is just another domino. Another thing, I saw someone say only a bunch of redacted files are being released. That is untrue, not much will be redacted other than names, but not many. Many are already deceased, their anonymity does not matter at this point. You will be surprised. They will not be your typical blacked out pages.
In light of the fragments I've seen from this official release, I'm inclined to agree that this is the only thread of reasoning that makes sense of it all.
Did anyone else think the files were coming out tomorrow? I thought it was weird hearing that the files were coming out today. I swear remembering the 27th as the day.
You gotta believe that THEY are shaking him the fuck down right now. Probably gave him a few "what could happen if you released this" scenarios, and most likely telling Teump which ones he has to keep blocked.
They are all right there with James Mattis as a former director. and now Clinton's shadow government is in charge of the military, while the REEEEEing Kekistanis were foaming at the mouth with joy for their "Mad Dog".
Considering they hold the power over his billions I don't know why you think he couldn't be easily persuaded. You people act like he's independent. He has tons of close ties with politicians including having the Clinton at his wedding. He's nearly entirely debt owned by big banks. Gtfo
Quit making excuses for Trump. He just proved he's part of the deep state. He doesn't make decisions based on what the FBI wants. He's proven that many times over.
B-b-b-b-b-but I was told that Trump! would not! be scared of the ((((deep state)))) and say fuck it and release all records unredacted! as he is a man of the people! This has Clinton's dirty paws written all over it!
Just read this, I imagine the 200 are the ones WE WANT...
"White House just gave a background briefing to say it is releasing 2,800 documents tonight. The remainder are being withheld at the request of the various departments and agencies - most importantly the CIA and FBI."
They are held back. The CIA and FBI complained to Trump...
Edit, now I see some will be held back. In other words, the 2,800 released today are going to be useless drivel.
Nice, right? Deep State back at it again with the shadiness. We get it, Oswald was a CIA agent and the FBI/CIA were involved with the hit. Nobody will be surprised. I don't think we will ever see the "other records." If they do ever release them, they will be redacted all to hell and useless.
Man those Democrats are sneaky. Able to run a shadow government, trick people into terrorist attacks, have child orgies in pizza parlors, fund ISIS, and hire armies of protestors . Yet unable to win elections, that they're undermining, resulting them in being the minority party in all three branches and most state governments.
The fact that the CIA has, and probably still has, several assets in foreign states both enemy and ally in elected or appointed positions of government? The U.S. was probably involved in a vicious campaign of espionage against even ally nations during the investigation, tapping all possible assets. This is the assassination of the U.S. president after all, not just some smuck gunned down in Chicago.
If you know who the CIA had controlled in your country's government decades ago you could potentially narrow down and find out someone who may be there today, as a result of that previous person's help.
how fucking illegal. People should be furious. There is clearly something to hide here. If there was nothing to worry about, why not release them now, 25 years later, as promised.
At any point during the last 25 years you could have just asked me, and I would've been happy to tell you, don't get all excited, nothing, and I mean nothing, of any relevance will EVER be officially released, regardless of any laws, deadlines, or statements to the contrary.
FBI CIA had 25 fucking years to prepare for this and they bleated and Trump folded. Bet he got them to do him a favour in exchange for giving them 6 months more to redact/shred/lose the important papers. Remember these are the PEOPLE'S papers and the people seeking a delay are trying to evade justice. I expected more of Trump.
It should be a FOIA request. If so, then it will take the time I stated earlier. If they are releasing another way then I’m not familiar with those procedures. I hope they are available ASAP for real tho..
The files that are being released (many are being delayed) will be the same as the files released in July of this year, on the JFK Archives website, and will be digitized and available for download. At least according to the site.
He had his fucking chance and ended up being a stuck bitch. Big man yelling all over the place, but when push came to shove he fucking bent the knee sucking Saudi cock.
I think to them national security is the panic that could raise if they admitted that they were involved with an assassination or that they don’t work all that well. It underlines a great weakness that’s already known to some extent.
You also have the security of Trump concerned in some cases.
It’s a shitty thing to do at the end of the day, and I was hoping Trump would be the person to just say “fuck it” and do some dumb shit afterwards and make the news again. Sadly that wasn’t the case and as someone has said, it’s unlikely we will get anything good or relevant.
Apparently 2800 files are being released but some are being delayed for 180 days by the white house for national security reasons. What national security reasons could honestly be the reason for the delay, any guesses?
I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that they waited until the last day to file concerns makes me think it’s mostly just embarrassing shit and the spruced it up to Trump to put him in a bind. If they are legit a problem (somehow) then they’d have done this sooner.
That being the case they’ll probably come out in 6 months, and trump’ll be pissed because they were delayed for shit reasons.
The thing happened 30 years in the past. the only national security reason would be that the public find out the truth and an anarchistic shitstorm occurs where the american public take out all of congress.
After reading into some of the files, I think it's because it might hurt relations with Israel or something. Who knows. Can't wait for them to be released though. Hopefully they don't block anything.
I'm watching A Case for Conspiracy and am wondering - have we heard anything else from the Doctors on site? More than what has been said in the videos?
Guess: There's really bad stuff about Bush Sr in the remaining documents and they're waiting for him to die so that nobody covers it because it would be distasteful
I had read elsewhere that he also had background training with FS and USDA as odd as that seems. Not sure about the veracity of those claims, they seem pretty thin really.
That has been a major topic of discussion for decades. It seems to be well established that he was a member of a Navy Intelligence unit at an airbase in Japan that flew U2 spy planes. Guarding the base itself, or something like that.
There is one point Bundy says at one point "he recalls, but can't pinnpoint a time" they considered poisoning him on a mass scale of some sort. Crazy shit.
So according to Dick Helms (CIA director 1966-1973) LBJ thought JFK was assassinated as retaliation for assassinating Diem in Vietnam and then Nixon continued to believe this during his administration. (Helms says there's no evidence to believe any of this)
Oddly enough one of the guys mentioned as being in Dallas and killing Kennedy was a guy that admitted to killing Diem. Who was the guy LBJ admitted to sending... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNv_62v6WQ
"...President Johnson used to go around saying that the reason President Kennedy was assasinated was that he had assasinated President Diem and this was just justice."
There are people pointing out Oswald was CIA and saying it's juicy but I thought we agreed on this already to some extent because of the other post mentioning this.
Looks more like lazy scanning/contrast adjustment. Convenient if it's explosive info that we should really be able to read. I can understand mistakes but this is kind of too important for that to happen. Fishy :-(
I'd like to think these are the 200 that they haven't released yet, but the cynical part of me thinks that they count these redacted images as part of the 2800 fully released docs.
Does anyone else feel like the press release on the JFK archives is pretty heavy handed? 'The President orders the release...'
National Archives Releases JFK Assassination Records
Press Release ·
Thursday, October 26, 2017
Washington, DC
President Orders Release of All Remaining Section 5 Records and
More Precise Review for Remaining Redactions within Six Months
The National Archives today released 2,891 records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy that are subject to the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (JFK Act). These records are available for download online.
The President has also ordered that all remaining records governed by section 5 of the JFK Act be released, and thus additional records will be released subject to redactions recommended by the executive offices and agencies. NARA will process these records for release as soon as possible on a rolling basis.
Based on requests from executive offices and agencies the President has allowed the temporary withholding of certain information that would harm national security, law enforcement, or foreign affairs. The President also ordered agencies to re-review their proposed redactions and only redact information in the rarest of circumstances where its withholding “is made necessary by an identifiable harm to military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.” These instructions will allow the National Archives to release as much information as possible by the end of the temporary certification period on April 26, 2018.
The National Archives previously released 3,810 related records on July 24, 2017, including 441 records previously withheld in their entirety and 3,369 records previously withheld in part. More information about this release is available online.
In addition, the National Archives is also releasing to the public the unclassified electronic records of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), including 52,387 emails and 16,627 files from the ARRB drives.
The National Archives established the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection in November 1992, and it consists of approximately five million pages of records. The vast majority of the collection has been publicly available without any restrictions since the late 1990s.
TLDR: Secret club member thinks he saw someone that looked like Oswald the day before asking for ammo, ends up seeing the actual guy he saw a few days later.
Is this anything? Says $10,000 used for propaganda. Then further down another $200 for radio propaganda etc. Just thought I'd post, having fun reading through some of these.
There is a LOT of parallel to the Russia! Russia! Russia! alt-right and alt-left in there.
The Soviets were convinced it was an ultraright conspiracy to kill the president as a catylist to war with Russia. They thought it senseless if it came from the ultraleft as they agreed with Kennedy's peaceful coexistence and disarmament.
So the question is what group(s) would stand to profit off a war with Russia, and maybe we should look there.
A LOT of parallel with today's political rhetoric.
If anything confirmation that we can't let this left-right divide consume us and especially this over consuming "blame Russia" as to some manufactured consent to war with them.
Wall Street and the Saudis. They stood the most to gain.
It's called decades of demonstrated historical precedence that investors and Wall street will create lies and manufactured consent for war.
Your "Trump is a Russia stooge" is falling into and spreading that manufactured consent to enrich military contractors and Saudi oil investors who want Saudi Arabia (also a prime military defense buyer) to supply Europe with oil over Russia.
You are a pawn in a billionare's pissing match for weapons, oil, and money.
I served in OEF and the GWOT and saw first hand the verification of all the above. It's not to liberate people from terrorists that we fund and supply. It is perpetual war for perpetual profits and man does it really help the Saudis.
The point is that Trump is trying to act diplomatically with the Russians and anything that he says that is even slightly positive is spun so that someone like you thinks "man, Trump really has Putin's dick in his mouth, he must be trying to help Russia become a superpower. Maybe we should revolt our own gov't and attack the Russians."
The point is that Trump is trying to act diplomatically with the Russians and anything that he says that is even slightly positive is spun so that someone like you thinks "man, Trump really has Putin's dick in his mouth, he must be trying to help Russia become a superpower. Maybe we should revolt our own gov't and attack the Russians."
Ooooooooor the reason Trump still hasn't re-engaged sanctions against Russia like he was told to by Congress, the reason he's gushed and complimented Putin publicly over the years, the reason he built his campaign and surrounded himself with people who have millionaire business ties to Russian oligarchs...is because the guy cares about the Trump brand and the Trump brand making money, more than he cares about the American people, and Putin's his ticket to ride.
But no, really Trump is playing 5D chess and he's a master at international diplomacy. So much of a master that he got himself disinvited to see the Queen.
This sub is about criticism. I see what you're saying but to discourage conversation about anything really it contradicts the very purpose of this sub.
The problem is you're basing all your views on 2015 . . . Try going back to at least pre ww1 to develop some real perspective on anything that goes on in this world politically, especially internationally..
We're still dealing with the effects of the fall of the ottoman empire and you're basing your views off interviews from 2015.
Unless you were speaking specifically about trump and not actually all your views... then I am sorry for my pretentious rant.....
If anyone doesn't believe that public opinion can be manipulated I welcome them to sit through the BBC Documentary "The Century of the Self". They'll learn about Edward Bernays who, as the father of propaganda, had a hand in making sure the public was pro-war to the Billionaire's liking. They'll also learn that Gallup polls, and Ramussen, are nothing more than shams used to get the masses under control.
After that they can watch "JFK to 911 Everything is a Rich Man's trick" and get their brains thinking about things. Some tidbits about this doc are things like Henry Ford being a massive anti-semetic who got an award from the Nazi's for his contributions towards them. Alot of ridiculous crazy shit in that doc that are eye opening, and yes Smedley Butler makes a cameo in there with the Business Plot video.
You're being manipulated into believing that "Putin's nuts are on Trump's chin," which can be used to levy sanctions and other acts of aggression towards Russia. I wish you people would realize that.
When the entire mainstream media is obviously pushing the same message and sentiment, that should raise a red flag for you.
Wherein r/conspiracy falls over itself to use the JFK dump to discredit any information regarding the ongoing investigation into a concurrent investigation into Russian-Trump collision.
Really not sure what your point is, especially given that 11 of the 12 charges are from fucking 2014 and earlier. ?????? I hope you think of Trump everytime you stick a cheeto in your mouth.
You really think that in the age when the right wing are pretty much considered a national threat, they would hide a 'ultraright' conspiracy, because it threats the national security?
At last lets come to term with the reality of our times.
Saudi, Israel, the war machine, and wall street. Today the FBI released some ww2 espionage stuff and it shows the war machine and financiers and espionage plus assassinations. I wonder in the agencies are bickering?
Not only that, but they went into "full-alert" mode once they realized this because they thought a general in the USA would "launch a missile" at them. lol that's pretty funny, actually.
It talks about how there is believed to have been two shooters from the angles and their source was some guy that had inside information.
"He is not known to have any national affiliation at the present time although he is in contact with various leaders of right wing groups in the united states"
which would make sense. If he knew that info then he would have to have gotten in from them if they were involved.
No, that comment doesn't prove there were two shooters, did you actually read the document ?
...in the last paragraph... States bullet hole in windshield and entrance wound below adams apple from first shot.
Hitler was a savior of christianity, he opposed and foiled the jewish Bolshevik massacre of Christians, and eventually the truth will be well known, besides that you are correct, this document is simply an interview not even close to a smoking gun.
Please tell me you forgot to include the /s after that comment. Stating that Hitler was a savior of Christianity is absurd. I’m all for discussion over actual conspiracies, however ignorant statements like that degrade this sub.
Well hitler was not alone, but had it not been for the nationalist movement of the 30’s, the communists would have been unstoppable. They did systematically attempt to dismantle christianity and and likely would have had done alot of damage. My statement was a bit over the top, but I dont think mussolini and hitler get enough credit.
The KGB claimed to have evidence that implicated LBJ as being responsible for the assassination, and according to this document they were looking into LBJ's connection with Teddy.
Very interesting. I would love to see the KGB's documents pertaining to LBJ's involvement.
This exert foreshadows the current state of the CIA:
An analysis of the involvement in the CIA in plots to attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro illustrates the development of larger scheme out of smaller schemes, and also illustrates how important it is to have adequate internal and external controls on the Agency
Miguel Cruz, Organizer for Local 901, Teamsters Union, who made a statement. "Now that we've taken care of President Kennedy, We'll have no trouble in taking over things."
Haha trump is always right about stuff that people say he is wrong about!
Like how his dads name is definately Miguel Cruz and definately not Rafael Bienvenido Cruz y Díaz who is definately a teamesters union organizer and definately not a christian preacher.
No, as the document says at the top of the page, those parts were highlighted in red because when they were previously released in part, those pieces were redacted.
Pretty annoying, it stops at the most interesting part, asking the CIA director if LHO was an agent.
Is there any information involved with the assassination of President Kennedy which in any way show that Lee Harvey Oswald was in some way a CIA agent or an [...]
Not that there would be anything good in there anyways.
It's all just starting to trickle out. Everyone's doing an awesome job going through these. I'm sure in the next few hours we will be able to have all the key info mapped out. To soon for now.
I just read that apparently Oswald wanted to tour across America detailing what had happened and that people shouldn't believe what they're reading in the papers
Based on the research I've done, Potito was pretty far right and was basically a part of the precursor to the American Nazi Party, the National States Rights Party, and he glorified the shit out of Hitler. Although, it makes you ask yourself why he would include in a speech information he knows about the assassination of a president who he probably hated just as much. I mean, he wouldn't have said anything if he didn't know that something was up with the entire investigation and the misinformation.
It's frustrating but I also somewhat understand because apparently the CIA just murders people that don't fall in line. He's sort of playing with fire here.
You know in Dumb and Dumber where the cops had Harry in a bullet proof vest, then after he realizes that he could have been shot in the face and asks the cop about it and she says, "That's a risk we were willing to take."?
That's kind of how I feel about Trump crossing the CIA. If that begins a secret plot to assassinate him, that's a risk I'm willing to take.
If this is true, falling in line with the rhetoric of this sub of trusting nothing the CIA does, then their pushing to release this information rewards nothing to the public and opens a whole rabbit hole to ideas regarding it.
It's likely the "foreign affairs" bit is the key there. I would bet there is mention of a high profile assassination/attempt/ or some other black ops that is not yet known and would seriously destabilize relationships with another country.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf This one is interesting, it's all the potential threats to JFK's safety. 400+ reports from people ranging from "I heard a guy said he was glad he died" to "an Ouija board told me LBJ was next" My favorite is # 405 the lady claimed she had a vision of the assassination 2 months before it happened and that his children would be kidnapped, and that RFK would be killed if he ran for Pres. The interview was supposedly conducted 12/3/63
"Subj alleged to FBI that on 11/20/63 Rogers said JFK and Conally would be shot down in Dallas. Rogers was supposed to know who would do it. That the assassin has been to Russia and Cuba and not allowed to stay."
"No investigation by S.S. (Secret Service) Subj provided FBI with signed statement but admitted he was drunk when conversation took place."
391, pg 387 in doc, John Hjelmer Abbott
"Subj alleged he cut LHO's hair spring of that year. Stated further that LHO was blackmailing a 'Texas night club owner' and would buy a gun to settle score with the US."
No Interview by SS
Question because I am only marginally versed in the matters of JFK:
Let's presume best case scenario and find out that JFK was indeed assassinated by the US government. That multiple business and governmental entities were involved. That was is presented in these files made public are an admission of guilt to a conspiracy going back decades.
Is any of this actionable information; could prosecution of any crimes revealed go forward?
Well honestly so many people are dead. I'm not sure what could happen legally. I'm no lawyer.
But I truly believe for us to heal and for people to realize the capability of when government goes out of control, we can only hope the public latches on to this and we can all be woke enough that things like this can't get out of control again.
That's my thought as well; that the public becomes at the very least more aware of what people with power can do when that power is threatened by even the President himself.
However, its the lack of actionable information that bothers me more.
I think the documents have revealed how unstable agencies that are in charge of protection are. This isn’t the first case where something could have been done if they weren’t directly involved in the plans.
If anything I think it could call for them to be reviewed in the way they work.
Agreed, but even a cursory look of any average agency shows just how corrupt and inept most of them are handled. It's plainly obvious how badly the system is in need of change, but until that change begins to interfere with the daily lives of people in a way that prevents them from doing even the basic things, we're not likely to see that change happen.
Most people who may have been involved are dead, the most notable exception being George H.W. Bush. I don't know if there's a statute of limitations on treason or conspiracy to commit murder, maybe a lawyer here would know.
Talks about MI-5 getting an anonymous call saying something big is about to happen. Caller hung up after and 25 minutes later JFK was shot. (Sorry new to the sub, made a topic for it. Wasnt sure where it should go)
Cambridge is where Cambridge University is. One of the most elite schools in the world. I'm kinda just rambling here but we all know the connection between the global elite and fancy colleges. Don't really know what to make of it all but maybe someone at Cambridge was in-the-know and felt guilty so they called the CIA.
And the reason he hung up is because the person that informed him said "don't call them you moron, THEY are the ones that are going to do it!" /s (kinda not really)
Reason for PRS interest: Nov. 1963, informant advised Chicago office that subject was member of anti-Casto Cuban group.
Subject allegedly approached informant to provide machine guns for Cuban rev. 11/21/63 subject allegedly told informant
"We now have plenty of money -- our new backers are Jews -- as soon as 'we' or (they) take care of Kennedy..."
Subject expressed favorable attitude toward LBJ.
It's kind of a /r/conspiracy-ism to say things like this are funded by the Jews. It almost seems satirical how plainly the subject says "Now we have plenty of money - as soon as 'we' or (they) take care of Kennedy..."
Idk if it's cus I'm on my phone but anytime I get to page 59 my phone crashes. Is that what you mean? I tried multiple times. Each time it crashes. Could be because I'm on my phone doe
Whenever we bring up cuba in conspiracy, i start thinking of Operation Northwoods and that stuff and how the CIA would try anything to get a war going...
Literally me right now. I'm a common sheeple. Questioning the government I strongly believe in pretty much means I don't know what's real anymore. Where do we draw the line? The entire Cold War and War on Terrorism were encited by the US government? If such an enormous part of the government is staged, how much else is fake? I don't understand how conspiracy theorists function knowing that everything around them could be completely fake but you'll never actually find out the truth. I'm scared?
It takes no stretch of the imagination to believe that the US government incited the Cold War and the War on Terrorism. War requires provocation on both sides.
If you're not questioning your government, you're not being patriotic. Look at our founding fathers -- every one of them questioned government, starting with the King and proceeding right on to their peers. How much did Jefferson and Franklin write about the Constitution after it was signed?
Questioning government is what responsible people do. Post-war America was very much a blind state, and as a result, the 50's are an idealized decade. Conflict in the 60's started opening eyes, and Watergate proved definitively that we could not trust anyone. But that lack of trust is part of the inherit system of checks and balances of democracy.
Don't worry about losing your handle on what's real. Reality is for physicists to ponder, truth is for philosophers, and meaning is for theologians. It's far better to just sit back and watch.
Lurking can give you a perspective, but it is not good to remain a pure lurker. Some self fulfilling actions/deeds are the way to go. They don't need to be directed towards the outside, the current society. Kant's writing took another ~100 years after his death to impact reality - and it still hits like a truck.
Aristotle slowed us down for ~2000 years. Freud currently is slowing us down. Those had impact in their lifetime and people fail(ed) to realize how wrong they were. (sure, both had some interesting findings... but they got glorified for no reason, we failed to question the claims)
you never knew, most people never even know that they dont know
the first official govt investigation in to the shooting said 'one shooter' and he was caught (mind you he was caught because he was arrested for going in to a movie theater without a ticket, and multiple cop cars responded to that threat), the later investigation by the govt concluded that there were actually 2 shooters. so thats conflict of findings just from within the govt
then when you look more in to it, you see links between the fbi, kkk leaders for some reason, unsolved sightings of someone leaving the scene (iirc it was someone spotted walking out of a storm pipe)
eventually though, you realize you'll never know and that even if you did, even if the information that the CIA "did" 9/11, nothing would change anyways, so then you just ignore it all and focus on yourself
I don't understand how conspiracy theorists function knowing that everything around them could be completely fake but you'll never actually find out the truth. I'm scared?
It's hard when you first go down that ol rabbit hole. Hard to know when to stop to come back for air. Watching the news and watching how people react to it is a trip. But generally it's pretty fucking depressing with every new thing you find out.
I like to balance things out with video games and sitcoms.
I know where I am but the Cold War thing is horseshit.
While we were the dominant military power and the only nuclear nation we stood by while the Soviets took control of all of Eastern Europe. It’s was only after years of hindsight and recognition of a lesser military advantage did the US do anything to provoke the Cold War situation.
Until Vietnam the Cold War was basically: Damn things are good here but too many people are seeing the communist ideology fuck up parts of the world. I guess we should do something about this.
The only issue I have with that report, is the same Soviet source claims that the Soviets had no contact with Lee Harvey Oswald, yet one of the newly released documents show that he had been speaking broken Russian to a KGB agent weeks prior to the assassination.
I hope the eggheads figure out something interesting from the pattern of what was redacted. I'm always hoping that crowdsource exposes something that authorities never saw, or that hiding something exposes something else.
With regards to those illegible documents, with some effort a lot of those could be made legible. You never know there could be a tidbit of gold in there somewhere for someone that makes the effort.
Probably fake. Unless something that yuge is verified, assume it's fake. If he posts the doc to drive and shows us all here, then ill believe it. Post your source people!!!
Curious, even as a Trump guy, what if he released everything and refused their redaction recommendations? The whole thing happened 50 years ago, what national security concerns could even be in there? Even if there were plans in place for leaders/countries at the time.....who the fuck is still running the country or even alive? I only think it all points back to our own government. It isn't like Trump is going to read all documents....but then again....maybe he trolled into seeing what they would redact and such....and has the authority to read them.....he does doesn't he? Regardless of agency holding?
Yeah i think the only national security concerns are related to our view of the US. Even if it was proven some other government was conclusively behind the assassination.. I don't think even the most diehard of Americans would support or expect action to be taken against that country now. If it was the CIA or an inside job linked to more than a lone gunman with crazy as a motivation? Yeah we'd be pissed.
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured--
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
It makes sense why the story of him being shot by Oswald before he was apprehended, was pushed. We know there is a connection with Tippet already. Before he was just a normal officer. Now it really makes you wonder why he and Lee were shot and killed when this type of info comes out. Can't just be a coincidence. Question is, why hide the info?
The letter he wrote to the Russian embassy that was later turned over by the Russians in the 90's was intercepted by the FBI.
"He also wrote a letter to the Soviet Embassy here in Washington, which we intercepted, read, and resealed."
It's interesting who the letter was addressed to.
"That letter from Oswald was addressed to the man in the Soviet embassy who is in charge of assassinations and similar activities on the part of the Soviet government. To have that drawn into a public hearing would muddy the waters internationally. To use all that would reveal our failure to carry out international courtesy laws."
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Wow, "the civil rights people will holler hell saying his civil rights were violated- which they were." Then the admission that they will blame it all on Oswald for the sake of international policy. I don't even know what to say... a mentor of mine who was involved in politics at the time said exactly that... now I'm wondering what else he knew...
Feels so good to see this sub directed back to down to earth speculation. Always browse but never take it seriously lately. Seeing the old school conspirators dissect this to it's full potential is uplifting. Of course we will not get full disclosure, but damn, 10-15 years ago you had to really convince people on these connections, these days its out there for us to look over. Old breadcrumbs but boy are they delicious when proven real.
It's been years but I thought I'd check what the Above Top Secret crowd were saying about the releases. Now it was always weird but, man, that place is angry, even by /r/conspiracy standards
I'm trying to figure out how that was scanned in like that. I'm a lefty with chicken scratch, I can hardly make any of that out. My dad has worse handwriting than me and I could get through most of the notes he had on vendors without asking many clarification questions.
This document is already posted on here, but i found some more gold further down on the page.
The KGB claimed to have evidence that implicated LBJ as being responsible for the assassination, and according to this document they were looking into LBJ's connection with Teddy.
Very interesting. I would love to see the KGB's documents pertaining to LBJ's involvement.
I mean, the motive is there, maybe the next release will shed more light on his role. I'm going to need to hear it for more sources than a KGB informant before I believe he was involved.
It's not alleged, she actually did believe he was behind it. Caroline released her interview tapes about it early in a deal witb NBC not to air a Kennedy miniseries that was upsetting to the family (Jackie asked in her will that the tapes remain under lock and key until 50 years after her death.
Sitting in bed now but it is documented in the phase 3 portion of assassination attempts/ideas in the 80ish page document that on Fidel Castro it also mentions the CIA working with the mafia etc. It's been linked a few times below.
There were many attempts to kill him over the years. I grew up with the son of one of the men responsible for the exploding cigar that nearly worked. After the Bay of Pigs, he came to the us and became a nuclear engineer. Honestly, he should sue Dos Equis for stealing his identity, as he is really the most interesting man in the world.
"At the same time, executive departments and agencies (agencies) have proposed to me that certain information should continue to be redacted because of national security, law enforcement, and foreign affairs concerns.
I have no choice --today -- but to accept those redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our Nation’s security."
What could seriously be so dangerous & relevant that it would be concealed some odd 50 years later? Wtf are they hiding?
Maybe that elements of the CIA did the assassination. This would harm national security by causing the public to lose any remaining trust in the CIA, at a time when everybody is already distrustful of the "deep state."
Well its a safe bet that the CIA had a role. After all, they trained Ho Chi Mihn and Osama Bin Laden, among other controversial figures of which would screw future foreign policy for the US and its allies.
What's funny about How Chi Mihn is that we nearly sided with him. I believe it was General Pershing we sent to speak with him in the 50's and he came back saying we would either support him, or we would lose a war to him. Yet again, Pershing was shown by history to be correct.
It's strange that Ho Chi Mihn wrote many presidents asking for their support in his wanting to emulate Democracy and ended up being a notable communist leader and future enemy.
It's strange that Ho Chi Mihn wrote many presidents asking for their support in his wanting to emulate Democracy and ended up being a notable communist leader and future enemy.
Possibly foreign policy secrets regarding countries that still exist and hold a grudge (North Korea, maybe red China). But they apparently aren't too concerned about hiding their plans to overthrow Castro.
That our closest ally (Israel) killed our president so they could get nukes?
If true, the moment that got out, Israel would likely conduct a preemptive strike against us, because our response WILL be to destroy anyone responsible for murdering one of our most beloved presidents.
if I had to put money on it, I'd bet it's things that could damage relations with current allies. like "we'll support Isreal just enough to keep the middle-east unstable, which to keep a lid on communism. Isreal will believe we're allies, but they're really just a pawn" or some such. they need 180 days to figure out how to put out the PR fires this will cause with allies, and to reassure those allies that this is not how we currently view the relationship.
my second bet would be "dear mr. president, we're a really inefficient government organization, and we failed to do our job [to get everything ready for the release] so could you please make it so our mismanagement doesn't get anyone fired or in legal trouble"
So.... can someone sum up the whole document into 1 paragraph... the JFK assassination is a conspiracy I haven't looked too far into and I want to know a summary of conspiracies turned true from the documents..
Here's a TLDR live update thread from the guardian. Seems there is a lot of evidence for a second shooter and that LBJ may have killed Kennedy in order to attain the presidency from what I've garnered so far.
Jackie stated months after the assassination that she believed LBJ was behind it. The picture of her on the plane, standing next to him with her outfit still covered in blood as he takes the oath of office breaks my heart even more knowing that this is how she felt.
I feel like this is the only place where people can actually discuss this without getting laughed at or ridiculed. Thank you, /r/conspiracy mods for organizing this. :)
Numerous subjects were interviewed, labeled Schizophrenic, and then committed by the Secret Service.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf
Warning : 400+ page document.
Numerous people mention brainwashing, mind control, and "messages from God". (MKUltra?)
There were railroad workers on that bridge who heard a shot from the grassy knoll and saw a puff of smoke. They ran over there and found muddy footprints and cigarette butts but nothing else.
Man how I'd love to see the powers that be hung from a tree with their feet kicking because they thought they were untouchable. Grab a gun and fuck up your local welathy folks. It's the only change that will happen. Blood for blood.
am I reading this wrong but in page 85 of the jfk release files that op posted under "docs are live" row number 4242 rec #178-10002-10229 they are taking about the assassination of jfk on 11-05-1963 but he wasnt assassinated until 18 days later on 11-22-63.... the document date is 11-05-63
I believe it says "I am sorry to not to have the opportunity to see you during my visit to Washington. I would like to have paid my respects and to have offered to assist you in any way that I might during your service in the commission of investigation in the presidents assassination." that's what the first 8 lines says and its dated 18 days before his death
Let me help a bit. Continuing from where you left off: (I'm no professional at this, just up late and bored)
"The labors of this Commision will (b)e most vital and can contribute - must contribute to - the preservation ... the political and social ...(illiegible)... nation.
It was my feeling that perhaps i (co)uld help you again as i used to in CB and Special Group ...(illegible)... as an intellegent and informed leg man, a ...(illegable), a gatherer of information - ... "
From here he quotes something, looks like a turn of phrase of sorts.. the subsequent writing in that paragraph i cannot read on this first gloss over.
Starting at the next paragraph, this part has an interesting tidbit:
"Of most importance, i have a (illegible) angle. Mr. Kennedy was (missing word?) friend and classmate. i would (illegible) to contribute to a ...(illegible)... of the whys and the (illegible) conclusions which would ...(illegible)... for a favorable socio-politcal (illegible):"
Nex paragraph i cant read enough to really bother writing it out, but it seems to go over what he presumes the Commission would do or something.
Starting again from second to last paragraph:
"At present i am awaiting the (illegible) of the next school year when i shall resume my pre CIA ...(illegible)... a Degree(?) of Economics... I am available if you should need my services.
whether you do need my services or (n)ot I know that the investigation (of?) this tragic event is in good hands. It is a most important responsibility. Its results will have manifold(?) implications for the future. Wish you well. Sincerely, Sherman Hoar
This letter was attached to a larger document 178-10002-10226, but I can only find reference to that document online, but not the document itself.
The person who wrote the letter could well have wrote the wrong date by accident. I imagine most of us have made similar mistakes before. If they were planning a conspiracy, don't you think they would have been more thorough and less blatant?
It seems that they are still keeping back a ton of stuff, some to decide whether to release (They only had 50 years, not enough time), others are state secrets even today.....
I need sleep. Just want to say, after spending a lot of time on here, reading through this sub...through out vegas, uranium one and some twats calling conspiracy theorist mentally unstable....its fantastic to see the release of these files and the fanascinating interest its going to cause over the coming weeks. No doubt I will wake up tomorrow to some insane TDLR . I cant wait.
This document has probably been posted by now but I wanted to bring special attention to the amount of people who were interviewed by the Secret Service.
This document is 400+ pages, but when you start getting to the interview reports, a large number of these folks were declared Schitzophrenic and were committed by the Secret Service.
Many of these people also claim, per the reports, situations involving mind control, brainwashing, and "voices of God".
We all know what this implication could mean. MKUltra?
Turns out you guys were right all along. Now were can I get one of those tinfoil hats before I start cataloguing all this dirt? I'll promise to wear it un-ironically.
Oh, I see you're canadian and you think Trump was only not prosecuted because he's a republican vs Harvey who's not. No mention of the allegations falling apart or any real info. Classic CCC. Cucked' Canadian Conformation.
Hopefully that doesn't offend whatever gender you identify as.
Oh, I see you're canadian and you think Trump was only not prosecuted because he's a republican vs Harvey who's not. No mention of the allegations falling apart or any real info. Classic CCC. Cucked' Canadian Conformation.
Hopefully that doesn't offend whatever gender you identify as.
I love the cookie cutter methodology of this. "It was LBJ, in the CIA, with the second gunman." It's like they're playing clue with the public. Honestly, I can't fault them, I'd probably do something backhanded like that too.
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Anyone else find that the /r/askreddit thread on the JFK files is a lot more informative and useful than all the threads here today? /r/conspiracy in infuriatingly sensationalist sometimes, most of the titles on the top posts today are garbage
Yes mostly due to the /r/conspiracy combating and denying every thing that pops up. The truth could be smacking some of the readers here in the face and they'd still claim it was a crisis actor's hand.
considering the immoral and illegal things governments routinely do, it seems shredding historical documents, or altering them to fit a narrative, would be low on the list of crimes. Hence, what we are reading is what they want us to read.
Super convenient . First time I've ever had this happen, but it won't let me share links to any pdfs on Facebook..auto-marked as spam. Probably nothing but fuck it, it's weird.
Secrets are precious power totems to the control freaks inside the federal security perimeter. They are both pathetic and deplorable. If you want to know what their souls look like, the Lord Rings movies have a character who presents an excellent likeness.
The prisoners in Guantanimo Bay probably have it worse. Probably.
Check out Row Num 516, Record Num 180-10147-10191,STAFF REPORT ON THE EVOLUTION AND IMPLICATIONS OF THE CIA-SPONSORED ASSASSINATION CONSPIRACIES AGAINST FIDEL CASTRO. It talks about how there is evidence that suggests Fidel Castro organized the killing of JFK.
Completely unrelated to JFK, but seriously hilarious. Polish agent in Mexico with financial problems married to a Mexican woman 25 years younger than him.
To me the truth about the JFK assassination is simple. The CIA created hit teams to kill Castro made up of mainly anti Castro Cubans who fled to the US after Castro came to power, Initially Kennedy supported this effort but after the Cuban Missile Crisis wanted these efforts stopped from fear of nuclear war with the Russians. The CIA and anti Castro Cuban where pissed. Either rouge elements of these teams or higher ups in he CIA were involved. Everything else is to confuse us.
Here’s how I know. Kennedy had canceled a planned visit to Chicago two weeks before Dallas because the Chicago PD found that there was a plot to kill the president there.
In the 54 years since not one MSM outlet has mentioned this. I wonder why?
"Current officials of the FBI and Secret Service did not comment for this report. Bolden left the Secret Service in 1964 after being prosecuted and imprisoned for bribery-- and to this day maintains he was framed for trying to blow the whistle on agency misconduct during the JFK years.
He believes some details of the Chicago plots are hidden in government files still locked up after 50 years."
I actually know Abraham Bolden personally. He wrote a book about what happened to him. He gave me a copy and talked to me about the assassination. He believed in a government cover up. He says the government knew about the Chicago plot and still didn't guard Kennedy as they should have without the known threat. He says he was falsely accused and jailed for some fake bribery charges when he started asking to many questions. He is abery intellegent and interesting man.
"The mother-in-law, who lives with Gabbott and his wife, does not in the case seem to be the problem that one would imagine. Gabbott insists that he likes her very much and that she often takes his side of the argument. His wife confirmed this claim to the case officer."
I don't know about you all, but I feel so let down by these documents! I am 69 years old and have been waiting for this ever since the 1960's. I have been deeply interested in JFK assassination and who did it, all of my life. Way back then, Jackie told the country that we would definitely find out who did it, when the documents were released (but that could not be immediate for national security reasons). I thought she said we would find out around 2027, but I was so young that dates as far away as 2017 or 2027 sounded like forever and about the same to me. I was young and not so cynical yet, and I believed her.
Seems like they talk about every conspiracy theory any of us have had all of these years, but in vague terms and don't corroborate any one theory very well. I am beginning to think that government investigations were completely incompetent and useless, and that they USED conspiracy theorists to do their investigations for them. Grrrr. What new (to me?) material I am seeing, has more to do with interference with foreign countries and assassinations over there, not with JFK. Hopefully as more comes out, and as all the documents are read and studied by everyone, we'll find more about those responsible for the JFK assassination. Right now, for me, this has been frustrating beyond belief. I feel like we have been played.
Oh, I will. What else can we do? As for the 2 shooters stuff, all I have seen on these threads was just that the documents report that somebody said in a speech in Florida a long time ago that there was a hole in the windshield, and two shooters; but no confirmation of any of this and no indication that this was their conclusion. But maybe there is more in your youtube, so I'll go listen to it, and thanks.
yes. Agent Pena also says Oswald was a US Agent. Pena did the whole take down of Pablo Escobar and the Cali cartel. On netflix the show called Narcos shows all of that.
also the new tom cruise movie, that person cruise plays is conntected to Pena and Oswald
I hope you are right! I am still looking through the present documents in the hopes of coming across something. I guess deep in my heart I knew that the first document wouldn't specify who (or what group) did it and why, in text two inches high.
It is discouraging to wade through so much useless slop looking for what we all want to know, after waiting for so many years. But I will go back to it now that I have had my little pity party. (sigh). I deserve to know what really happened; we all do.
Lol so understandable. I feel like it was intentionally convoluted from the beginning. Have you seen this documentary? I watched it for the first time last night. It's a much watch even if a long one. Give it 30 minutes and you will be hooked https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM
Does anybody on here have the capability to make all the PDFs text-searchable by running it through some program? Or is there a better PDF previewer that does this natively?
Someone should create a site where all the files are hosted and people can register and will be prompted with random files that they will need to read through and if anything interesting is in the text, they can flag it and it will be put to a lower priority for the next user if it doesn't have anything interesting. With the sheer volume of the release, I think there needs to be an organized effort to search through every file.
I'm curious about something. I've been reading through the CRC and finance reports and a 1700 Biscayne Blvd. keeps popping up. Either Kennedy really liked Burger King or I don't know. Either way I'm confused.
Not necessarily, government agencies are known for being overly cautious about those kinds of things. If you look at the recently released JFK docs, the secret service had documents on a twelve year old kid who wrote in her Christmas list “I want a gun to kill the president”. If that doesn’t reek of overly cautious then I don’t know what does.
Oswald was fluent in Russian so this may support the idea
that there was an imposter. The dialogue is at times weird like taking in code. Thanks for posting.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32212596.pdf
I'm having trouble reading this one, but from what i've made out there's one part that says "they discusses the assasination of president kennedy and the murder of accused assassin Leo Harvey Oswald. vtorygin(?) commented he considered it virtually impossible to have protested* the assassination, but considered the subsequent slaying of Oswald to be inexcusable. He commented "we should never have let this happen."
This is on the first page of the report.
*this word is admittedly difficult to discern but looking at the "test" that is apparent makes it difficult to think of it as anything else... maybe prevented?
I can't find much info on Vtorygin except for some "postponed in full" files in the "DO PERSONALITY FILE ON LEE HARVEY OSWALD, FILE" record series (record 179-40001-10152 and prob others).
Does anyone of a summary of the whole thing with new info that I can present to my dad? My dad has been calling me a conspiracy nut since 9/11 lol and I’d like to show him the most detailed thing I can get about JFK which he semi believes was a conspiracy
Alright guys I'm very much into conspiracies. Especially this one. So if possible, can someone just inform me who actually did it? I mean I know, but does the documents confirm who did it?
Does it actually have any video or photo evidence that is convincing? I have personal experience with a former co-worker that leads me to basically call every single thing Dr. Greer touches bullshit.
It's not that I don't believe him, it's more that I know he is a fucking scam artist. I'll make the story as short as I can, and know that is comes from me knowing the person this happened to.
So this kid who worked on the crew I oversaw in a rural town in Colorado was into UFOs, one of those people who "just couldn't explain it but they see them all the time" kind of people - the ones who have apparently had them float right over their car. OK. I can go along with it, sure. So this kid gets in to one of Greer's "retreats" to a local-ish desert area to "channel" aliens, and summon crafts - because he at least used to very much promote this ability. As they are out in the desert, concentrating on "channeling" or "summoning," well golly, hour number 8 rolls around and this kid gets a "flash in his brain" of a typical grey.
And that was the highlight of their day. The entire group's day. And I'm being told this and how it's obvious that Greer is the real deal because of it.
Well shit. It only took a few hundred bucks and 8 hours of begging your superego to show you something you want, and bam! VISIONS OF ALIENS!
The guy is a charlatan either way, but is either being hung out and doesn't know it by being slipped tidbits in a psyop, or is in on the scam and knows exactly what bullshit he lucked out on spreading.
People around him might not be full of shit. He most certainly is.
I've just had a brief look through some of the files. What I don't get from what I've seen so far is why any of it was top secret. A few peoples bank statements and some totally illegible stuff in there. Loads of stuff about Cuba and Mexico. What does that have to do with JFK being assassinated....? I'm hoping there's someone sifting through all this stuff to try and put together what the big secrets are because from what I just looked at it's a lot of boring stuff.
To give the appearance that they were being transparent and releasing the JFK files (while only holding some back), but in reality most of the documents were irrelevant. Idk. Only real explanation I can come up with.
I agree. If there are interesting JFK files, they are hidden by so many other files. I laughingly told my friend, that it looks like they included the entire contents of the bottom drawer of somebody's file cabinet.
To me, a lot of it is interesting but for other reasons. It does confirm the suspicions that many of us had, that the CIA was not above trying to assassinate leaders of other countries including Fidel Castro. So, now that is admitted.
There had been a precedent for the extreme right in the US to attempt a coup, documented by General Smedley Darlington Butler, the attempted coup of Roosevelt, in which George Bush's (the first) father and George Bush Jr grandfather played a role.
Both sides buy into the NWO. There is an enormous amount of evidence for people on both sides, using different methods, to attack this nation and deprive the people of the republic they were promised.
It's international communism, using every means possible to infiltrate, destroy, and control.
It's (fill in the blank of who you want to blame) using every means possible to infiltrate, destroy, and control.
Follow the money and you will know who is in charge and what they like. They may use Soviet methods from time to time, but their objective is not another Soviet Union.
I too thought of MK Ultra when that document referenced the ultra left and ultra right. I cannot for the life of me think of why they would use the word Ultra to describe what we think of as radical, hard, extremist left or right. Maybe it was a more colloquially used term for the CIA back then.
I think it was used colloquially back then by the general public, to mean extreme. Instead of extremely light, we would say ultra light. Instead of extremely fantastic or very cool, we'd say ultra cool. Now that you mention it, I don't think "ultra" is used much any more in that way, for some reason.
One thing to keep in mind is that there were some very "hip" people cooperating with the CIA, artists, philosophers, etc. and from the end of WWII to the time JFK was killed, or maybe it was the Cuban Missle Crisis, when times were pretty good, and when the CIA showed up at the party, it wasn't necessarily a downer at all.
So, "ultra" was hip, and the feeling in general was the US were the white hats and things were going pretty well, fun was being had, the crazies had been held in check.
From 62 to 64 all that changed. The crazies were now in charge, and none of the cool people were willing to help the CIA anymore.
It was as if McCarthyism had raised its ugly head again, and at the fun times and freewheeling parties the CIA types were no longer welcome or trusted. The stains of blood for JFK had turned DC into a monstrous place. Ultra had been hip, but now it was grisly.
What happened in the 60’s wasn’t simply hippies. I respectfully disagree that left or right, as of today, has any real substance with respect to the JFK assasination. I don’t disagree that a coup d'etat took place in 1963.
One thing to keep in mind is that there were some very "hip" people cooperating with the CIA before LBJ became president, artists, philosophers, etc. and from the end of WWII to the time JFK was killed, or maybe it was the Cuban Missile Crisis, when times were pretty good, and when the CIA showed up at the party, it wasn't necessarily a downer at all.
So, "ultra" was hip, and the feeling in general was the US were the white hats and things were going pretty well, fun was being had, the crazies had been held in check.
From 62 to 64 all that changed. The crazies were now in charge, and none of the cool people were willing to help the CIA anymore.
It was as if McCarthyism had raised its ugly head again. CIA types were no longer welcome or trusted. The stains of blood for JFK had turned DC into a monstrous place. Ultra had been hip, but now it was grisly. Reading the life of Mary Pinchot Meyer might help give you a sense of the flavor of the time, and how it changed after JFK.
I know the CIA had been up to dirty tricks in Central America, Iran, even the US, and the US was no white hat country before November 1963, but I am telling you, the hope ended. As bad as it had been before November 1963, the hope was still alive. That hope ended. Whatever "good" came out of the "Great Society" was far outweighed by bad vibes and horrendous genocide of millions in Vietnam of which most happened after November 1963.
I think we’re mostly in agreement. I’m familiar with Mary. And I agree the hope ended. I think I was just trying to say it was a time when the American people, although ultimately futile, actually stood up and protested. People such as Mario Savio, Allen Ginsberg, the lyrics of Bob Dylan.
Was there any specific point you are trying to make? Bob was never one to be outspoken. He wrote songs. You would know this if you know Dylan. He never wanted to be the voice of the generation or a voice for anyone else. He discovered quickly he couldn’t speak to people through interviews or at ceremonies. Especially after the acceptance speech at the Tom Paine Award, 3 weeks after JFK was murdered. The comments on Cuba, about seeing some of himself in Oswald got himself booed off stage. Then read his ‘Not an apology letter’ he wrote about the ceremon. Everything that needed to be said was in one song in 1964.
It’s Alright Ma (I’m Only Bleeding).
Can anyone tell me how to find just the NEW JFK files that were supposedly released yesterday (not the broader ones from 3-4 days ago)? I want the ones that the U.S. intelligence community didn't want released, but Trump supposedly finally released. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924414387343028224
If that were true, then why not take him out when he was apprehended in a movie theater? He fought with the police. Why shoot him during a live television broadcast?
We know now the Soviets thought that jfks murder was a coup. I hear somewhere that France and British intelligence thought the same but since the coup worked they didn't do anything about it. Does anyone have a link for proof of this ? I want to make sure they really thought so and not just some random internet rumor. Also did any other foreign nations think the same think about jfk being shot ?
The letter I cited was dated November 22, 1963. The one you found was from 1964. If the KGB was right, then the FBI would have been in full cover up mode by '64. Of course, it's not like the letter I found was the head of the KGB swearing on a communist manifesto that LHO was known FBI, but it's interesting all the same.
It wasn't the surgeon general's actual report. Apparently Alex Jones (unintentionally?) misrepresented it. Actually it was one of the released documents and has no evidence beyond a third hand report of what somebody said in a speech. The youtube tells you about it.
He held the report close enough to the camera, that with my copy of the document here, I could see that it was identical. I think don't think he misrepresented it intentionally, but was just mistaken. Also he has been very busy and I am nearly positive that some intern or somebody else prepared his segment for him, if he was busy on the Mueller stuff or something else. I've got to say I was appalled, but the guy who did that youtube (above) saw the same things I did, so at least I know I'm not nuts. Well, not VERY nuts. LOL
it was an interview with POTITO most likely I have posted the document and the link along with a bunch of other interesting shit. There are many more docs about this. Including testimony of some guys at a shop talking about replacing the windshield on the presidential limo and then doctoring it to look damaged but not have a bullet hole in the front
Zapruder film edited to hide two near simultaneous head shots from different shooters. It's not a shot that makes his head move back and to the left, it's two shots, one back, and one to the left.
How many times can you fire a bolt action rifle in a few seconds? THe highest quality film of the kennedy assasination is 26.6 seconds, exposing 486 frames of standard 8 mm Kodachrome II safety film, running at 18.3 frames/second the original copy was owned by life magazine shot by zapruder. When the film was sent to the Warren commision frames were set into slides for a projector for each of the 486 frames and dozens were duplicated and doctored...why?
This makes no sense. Why would the allies organise a mass cover up? Why would they fabricate his death?
But most of all, why would said Hitler, having escaped torture and death, and gone into hiding in south America, keep his most recognisable haircut, moustache and attire and pose like this for a photo?
What if there were multiple plots in action at once? If one group knew that Oswald would try to assassinate the president and they also wanted to, it'd make the most sense to let him do his thing and have a backup shooter around just in case he didn't carry through or didn't finish the job so that he could be used as a patsy. This would explain why he was killed soon after, he might've not known about the plot, but he might've known that there were shots that he never fired.
I just went to the JFK museum at the Texas School Book Repository and thought it was kinda strange that the corner of the floor of where Oswald took the shots was completely glassed off, the set of windows to the right are accessible however.
I also found it interesting that towards the end of the tour they also talk about the conspiracies and even point out some of the strange inconsistencies in the warren commission but just chalk them up as simple mistakes. I also didn't know that there was two X's in the road where Kennedy was shot.
The place is pretty cool though, id recommend going there if you're ever in Dallas.
Hey a while ago I watched a documentary on YouTube that was about the secret serviceman accidentally shooting JFK. I can’t seem to find fit again. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? Can you link me ? Thank you
There are a ton of JFK conspiracy theory videos that came to that conclusion. I saw one on Netflix, as well as several on YouTube.
Perhaps "JFK - The Smoking Gun"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p7DBomWYA
He threatened the military industrial complex which is controlled by the same groups. He was the black sheep of the family and got the hole in his head because of it. His family knew and threw him to the wolves. He was the first Roman Catholic of nobility bloodline talking about ending the CIA and screwed with the MIC. There will never ever be another one. He wasn't a saint but, knew some things. This is why his head was blown off.
It should be noted that in addition to working with Khrushchev, it's rumored that Kennedy and the Soviet leader were discussing embarking on a joint moon mission...something that flew directly in the face of the extremely lucrative "Cold War" narrative.
Great comment. Not sure if you read the Dulles Biography yet: the devil's chessboard. But it covers a lot of what you mentioned here. One of the most insightful and eye-opening books I've read.
I feel like a lot of the current small "conspiracies" (including some relating to Trump/Clinton) can really be traced back to the military-industrial complex. It's practically hiding in plain sight--we've been in Afghanistan for how long now? And stocks of Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, etc keep going up and up. Not to mention the existence of private mercenary contractors.
Here is the page that was scrubbed from wikipedia - "US Covert Involvement in Foreign Regime Changes" - it is a history of the mess made by the CIA around the world - in support large US corporations.
im in the middle of reading Legacy of Ashes, history of the CIA, its a great book, but thanks dude, you have just covered pretty much what i was reading last week.
Thanks for a great summary, happy reading through the files, im guessing you gonna be busy!
To add to the Executive Orders, look for the EO's on the subject of cooperation in space with other countries, i.e., Russia. The hard core anti-commies were very perturbed that JFK would share space research/ideas/plans/technology with any commies.
Thanks for this. Your knowledge and research is much appreciated.
You mentioned "we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power." In your opinion, would you say this trend began around the Kennedy era? Or was Kennedy simply an outlier?
This is also supported by the so-called Iron Mountain Report, allegedly commissioned by Kennedy to explore the possibility of moving to a peacetime government for good.
To summarize, the panel went way beyond its mission and did a thorough examination of why governments are so bloodthirsty and how they came to be this way, ultimately coming to the conclusion that governments and war are inextricably linked so that to stop making war would begin to render government unnecessary.
While I didn't know that much in detail, I can to a similar conclusion as you. The straw that broke the camel's back was Cuba. JFK would have literally changed the way the world ran if he had lived.
This is partially right. You fail to link his speech on secret societies and the CIA. No one defines communism either... rather people just presume communism is Russian. It isn't. Communism was started by the Bolsheviks who were actually primarily Khazarians who converted to Judaism back in the 1400s - see Arthur Koesteler's The Thirtenth tribe. They hated Russia and their strategy is simple - take the identities of the host country and move into positions of power in the host country, take control of the media to control the narrative, and extract all of the coutnries resources through central banking and lending at high interest rates to waring governments. That's why Kennedy's dad hated the Jews. That's also why Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110. Without the silver or gold standard there is no such thing as freedom. Howard Buffett talked about this as well.
Here is his article on Gold as redeemable Money
https://freedom-school.com/money/human-freedom-rests-on-gold-redeemable-money.pdf
Alan Greenspan also wrote about this here in his famous article Gold and Economic Freedom
http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm
Really 90% of Communism comes down to implementing a Central bank -something the US has today- in order to control the money supply and thus giving the government a platform to endlessly go into debt. By doing so, it forces the Central bank to continuously print money, stealing the productive capacity of the host nation. In other words, it steals from you bank account by diluting the value of your dollars by putting more into circulation. Kennedy knew this and wanted to put a stop to it. He also knew who was behind it. How? His obsession with Hitler and World War II. Knowing what he knew, he wanted to prevent Israel...... which by the way is such an obvious genocide and was used by the Jews after World War II as their homeland ... a place they aren't actually from... to put them somewhere and to carry out their plans of a "new world order" for complete and total domination of people every where. The United States just decided, after Kennedy, they were too big of a pain in the ass to deal with and decided if you can't beat them join them.
the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed
I was livid when they deleted that. I thought about writing a post about it here, but it's just been all Trump cheerleading all the time, so what's the point? Someone archived the original article, though. It's here.
Were they acting on behalf of Wall Street investors? What would their motive be?
IMO it was Wall Street ultimately, or elements within the investment community who wanted to make a few bucks off their directed chaos along with international actors who had hands in the pot.
Beautifully done I thought.
I was in my second grade class when the nun came in and told us. They sent us home and everyone was watching
the TV. We watched nonstop through Monday night. I
was in church when Oswald was shot. Still mad about that.
Our world really changed that weekend. By 1968, when they killed Bobby and MLK, it was different place.
You have great grasp of the subject. I agree with you completely. So annoying to see the disinformation
theory’s taking up space.
Even shorter? He figured out who ran the world, ("hidden hand" during ww1 &2) spoke of them directly (secret societies) and decided that he didn't like who they were how they did it. CIA drug running ruining American lives, Northwoods, Paperclip, MKULTRA, etc. he knew exactly how it worked his family were insiders during the war. He decided to take them on and get rid of the secrecy and smash them into a thousand pieces. So they took him out, and the same still run the world.
As a younger dude, just learning the game and its recent history. This is blowing my mind and quite informative/ has put many things in a context that has eluminated me enough to ponder many things i had previously not thought~
Fascinating! Are you familiar with the lectures of Daniel Sheehan? He provides a lot of good information about the Dulles brothers and the Cabal. Things make a lot more sense once you see all the connections.
I love that your story gives a good reason for the assassination to make the US gov look like they were in the right and is then gilded twice. It was all Iran's fault.
I believe it says "I am sorry to not to have the opportunity to see you during my visit to Washington. I would like to have paid my respects and to have offered to assist you in any way that I might during your service in the commission of investigation in the presidents assassination." that's what the first 8 lines says and its dated 18 days before his death
It's so obvious that the US funded the maidan revolt and put anti-russian fascists in the parliament and now the US is selling weapons to Ukraine and sending NATO troops. How is this not obvious to everyone amazes me.
don't apologize for this being long! it needs to be to even basically understand lol thank you for writing this up, very nicely done. your "hi isis" part really got me thinking about it and I think you're right. keep up the good work
Hey there, I found what I think is an interesting Cable, sent to the CIA Mexican Station Chief, in this latest release of documents, dated 6 November 1963.
However, being only in my 30's, and not knowing much of the intricacies of the documents that a researcher such as yourself would know, I'm wondering if this cable raises the same flags for you? Do you recognise the cryptonyms used, the author of the Cable? Does it have any links to other documents you may have uncovered in your research, or read about from the research of others?
You'll find the cable here, it being found in Row 5552 of the released documents.
In this cable, a CIA man called Oliver Galbond — who, in a separate matter, apparently was the CIA man who received by mail photos of an unidentified man, allegedly Oswald, taking in Mexico City — writes to the Chief of Station in Mexico City about an unidentified 'Subject'
This subject had undertaken a two week training school called ENDOMORPH, which was a prerequisite for attending an ODENVY National Academy training course. (ODENVY being the CIA's cryptonym for the FBI).
The cable goes on to give a brief description of the Subject's character, and then suggests that a more thorough character assessment might be obtained from the FBI, that KUBARK (the CIA's cryptonym for itself) requests for such assessments from the FBI "are rare and would exhibit undue interest in Subject. Therefore, FBI comments are not being requested'
The cable ends with a paragraph suggesting that should Mexico Station like to be introduced to the Subject, then CIA Headquarters would be glad to approach the trainers at the ENDOMORPH training school for 'letters of entree to the subject'
• The cable is dated about 2 weeks prior to the assassination
• Who could the Subject be?
• There are no references to ENDOMORPH (that I could find, though I will keep looking) in the CIA files on the CIA website, National Archives, Mary Ferrell Foundation etc
• The cable was previously released in part / released with deletions. I'll continue looking to find the originally released redacted version.
• Given the cryptic references to a Subject, with no intimation this might be Oswald, how is this cable related to the JFK assassination?
• Could it be inferred, from its release as part of documents relating to the assassination, and that Galbond had allegedly received photos of Oswald in Mexico City, that the Subject referred to in the cable is (or was) a person of interest in the investigation into the assassination?
• Could it then be inferred that the Subject is Oswald?
A few things to add, the Israeli Intelligence and Israeli international crime syndicate were the driving force behind the pulling of the trigger, they did so without opposition because of the elements which you describe in detail. Kennedy blocked kissenger’s petrodollar, preferring a gdp or gold based currency, Kennedy denied Israelis attempt to build nuclear weapons. Kennedy was pro-hitler and anti-zionist, he did not curb to the israeli lobby and he was a threat to their globalization agenda.
Not months after jfk was slain did lbj permit nuclear arms for israel, and less than a decade later did nixon approve the petrodollar, two major political efforts of the zionist federation.
Don't forget that we have two filmed presidential speeches one from Eisenhower & one from JFK where they actually tell the public that the government has been corrupted by unelected power.
It still drives me nuts that every American/global citizen is not aware of these speeches freely available on Youtube.
FDR was a war monger in the end. He was involved in highlevel financial shit too... every president is. But they both wanted banking reform, health care, and overall less war.
He these two are "progressive" because right now we're in a frickin death spiral. They represent a direction that we need to head in. We won't survive if we don't get one of these bone-thrower guys... thats alls im saying.
Oswald was fluent in Russian so this may support the idea
that there was an imposter. The dialogue is at times weird like taking in code. Thanks for posting.
Hahaha, the 60s KKK (Kennedy (John Fitzregald), Khrushchev (Nikita Sergeyevich), and Karno (Soekarno from Indonesia)) are the only KKK i have officially approved.
What if those three survived the rough 60s, eh? Maybe Cold War will ended sooner!
Thanks for the summary. I've been interested for 20+ years and that makes the most sense. I've heard a few people mention "jfk and the unspeakable", ill have to give it a read.
Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's.
That's incorrect. JFK essentially started Vietnam. Watch the recent documentary The Vietnam War. He constantly let a situation escalate and made all kind of stupid decisions.
Please tell me you forgot to include the /s after that comment. Stating that Hitler was a savior of Christianity is absurd. I’m all for discussion over actual conspiracies, however ignorant statements like that degrade this sub.
spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply ca
Are you the original author of this post? The reason I ask is because I have encountered this exact text before. On 9/24/2016 to be precise. The reason I know the exact date is because I had saved it. I have spent a long time researching the JFK assassination and I believe you are spot on. I believe you have articulated the broad strokes really eloquently. I am curious how what you perspective is on some of the more finer points. Are you familiar with people such David Atlee Phillips, Antonio Veciana, Tosh Plumlee, David Ferrie, etc? I would be interested to get your perspective on certain things sometime.
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1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
JFK was whacked by Jesuits and the sovereign military order of Malta who control the CIA and the mafia.
1 QnsConcrete 2017-10-26
Why
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
He threatened the military industrial complex which is controlled by the same groups. He was the black sheep of the family and got the hole in his head because of it. His family knew and threw him to the wolves. He was the first Roman Catholic of nobility bloodline talking about ending the CIA and screwed with the MIC. There will never ever be another one. He wasn't a saint but, knew some things. This is why his head was blown off.
1 Smedleys_Butler 2017-10-26
Never forget: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4547313/jfk-gurion-mossad-dimona
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
Never forget Shimon Peres gave Jerusalem over to Rome. Oslo Accords.
1 d3rr 2017-10-26
Why would Rothschilds or Jews give up their holy land?
1 Imsomniland 2017-10-26
What? Can you explain more?
1 4Gracchus 2017-10-26
Yup. This. Explains why Roger Stone is running cover for this. Explains a lot of things period. They did it with CIA help.
1 Water_Sip 2017-10-26
"Family knew" evidence link? Turd
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
Calling me names and expecting me to take you seriously? You must be a top mind.
1 Water_Sip 2017-10-26
Way to focus on that and avoid the first massively valid, common sense request. You sordid piece of shit
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
There you go again with name calling top mind.
1 Water_Sip 2017-10-26
For the sake of logic. There's no evidence JFK's family knew. There's ample evidence you're a turd
1 mods_are_abc_agents 2017-10-26
Didn't they have his sister like brainwashed or something?
1 ImSoFuckinHello 2017-10-26
Lobotomized actually
1 SlimCharlesFromBmore 2017-10-26
RIP to my brother John
1 WooTs_67 2017-10-26
Does anyone know what time they will be released?
1 HillaryGodhamClinton 2017-10-26
or if they will even be digitized and freely accessible on the internet?
1 WooTs_67 2017-10-26
Yea, thats a good question. Lets hope they dont lose anything in the scanning process
1 EBDBBNBBLT 2017-10-26
https://i.imgur.com/c182ImL.gifv
1 alexman2323 2017-10-26
You'd be surprised. Even under Freedom of Information they can literally black 99.0% of it out under their guidelines on their website
1 jarde 2017-10-26
Wouldn't they have shredded any actually damaging stuff decades ago?
If you're that powerful, why would harmful documents be beyond you?
I have very little faith in this.
1 HempCO719 2017-10-26
Please sign the Anti-Boycott act to access these files...
1 Averagepunpun 2017-10-26
My guess is these events are immortalized in writing and passed on through the generations. Sure, they could destroy all the evidence but then they lose the red pill capabilities of all this information. It's more valuable for the copies to exist and remain hidden then for them to erase all trace.
1 alexman2323 2017-10-26
Great question. If they shredded any damaging stuff. Nobody would actually know about it unless insider leak, which is highly uncommon and dangerous. Exactly, little faith. I'm learning about FOIA in my intro to criminal justice class. They don't have the classifications on the text book but the foia.gov has the 10 confidential guidelines that literally conflict with each other so you could easily find a damaging document, referred against the guidelines you can find 9/10 reasons for the 1 sentence.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
This is a declassification. They're not able to black anything out............................
1 MKULTRAserialkillers 2017-10-26
Like this?
1 BubblingMonkey 2017-10-26
"Sorry guys, our scanner blew up. The only scanner in the entire building."
1 LegoCrafter2014 2017-10-26
"It also caused a fire that burned down the building."
1 I_Edit_videos 2017-10-26
"aaaand we didn't have any backups. srrylol"
1 Vaedur 2017-10-26
And those non-exsistant backups got hit with a crypto virus and we can't recover anyways.
1 MrGreggle 2017-10-26
Also that crypto virus was a hammer.
1 ErisianClaw 2017-10-26
That was actually at the JFK library when they were holding records there.
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
The files all burned up when it blew. It was the only copy. Sorry.
1 Bernie_Sanders_2020 2017-10-26
theyll hand them out like phonebooks
1 eye_power 2017-10-26
Like the way his brain was "lost"?
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-26
They'll be released on the same website the ones in July were
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/processing-project
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Out now on archives.gov
1 Hans-Clopek 2017-10-26
It takes around 90 days from the release date to see them. You can request to get them the day of release and have them mailed to you. They will put them online after so many requests are put in...
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
the internet at large seems to believe they're going to be available from the national archive website today.
1 crylicylon 2017-10-26
The internet at large is often wrong and stupid.
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
considering basically every news outlet is saying they'll be readable today, can you show us anything that points to that not being the case?
1 crylicylon 2017-10-26
I didn't mean to this specific event, just in general.
1 DarkDosman 2017-10-26
could it be that today is the day it will be available but FOIAs need to be filled out regardless and we may need a week or two until it gets released? And how many agencies and organisations should be queried to get a good stack of documents?
1 SWAGB0T 2017-10-26
I’m hoping Trump tweets them
1 11-22-1963 2017-10-26
We're not expecting any bombshell revelations from the files, right?
1 trjb 2017-10-26
I think everyone hopes there will be good stuff in them, but with the Oswald files having been destroyed in a fire and all...I just don't think the government would release something that could potentially harm them.
Hopeful though, should be interesting reading.
1 jeff34sonairplanr 2017-10-26
You're going to trust files released by the government on a secret assassination attempt on a president?
Ok...have fun
1 trjb 2017-10-26
Yeah dude that's kind of what I said.
1 jeff34sonairplanr 2017-10-26
Yea you're right. Not directed at you, I guess this is my half ass attempt of getting the "other side" of the argument out to the lukers/readers...sorry
1 86753094535423 2017-10-26
Either way, I think it's stupid that people are giving trump credit for this because of his lame ass tweet the other day..
Can we stop spamming the presidents tweets on this sub?
1 trjb 2017-10-26
They've been scheduled for release for twenty-five years. If anyone deserves credit its congress, who passed the bill - or funnily enough 41 who signed it in 1992.
1 ResistUnlearnDefy 2017-10-26
Isn't it Congress who are responsible for withholding them for these 25 years ?
1 trjb 2017-10-26
Thats certainly a way to look at it, but I think they put the wait to let everyone involved die of old age first. I don't think intel agencies ever give up information willingly.
1 HotBananaa 2017-10-26
who ironically was head of the CIA at the time Kennedy was shot if I am not mistaken. I could be wrong though.
1 trjb 2017-10-26
Not at the time, he was director from January 30, 1976 – January 20, 1977 - though he is theorized to be involved in the conspiracy.
1 HotBananaa 2017-10-26
Ahh ok thanks. I am just kind of a lurker here but I do remember researching a little and he was involved, as well as Gerald Ford
1 Ifuckinglovethequeen 2017-10-26
Well, they were due to be released after 25 years. They got bumped back another 25. Hence they're due today. The CIA asked Trump to extend for another 25 years and he said no.
I think that's decent of him.
1 DCPirate16 2017-10-26
C'mon, don't you know that Trump has never done a decent thing in his whole life?
1 Modtrigger3X 2017-10-26
Shill.
1 86753094535423 2017-10-26
Lmao...wow, we all know trump is a puppet here dude
1 haveyouseenmymarble 2017-10-26
Speak for yourself, brother.
1 AmpedMonkey 2017-10-26
Get that shit back to /politics, shill. Trump has done plenty right, and plenty wrong. We are not trump supporters here, but we aren't liars either.
1 theOGyug 2017-10-26
/s?
1 DCPirate16 2017-10-26
Yes lol
1 kthxbrit 2017-10-26
The presidents tweets have become a major part of his term and his most direct communication with the public.. I think his words deserve to be scrutinized otherwise why the fuck are you here if youre ot gonna do your due diligence? My theory (dont know how likely) is that hes trying to compare his situation to JFK and possibly avoid assassination attempts
1 ABrilliantDisaster 2017-10-26
Whether or not it was his main reason, it was a very smart move in that regard.
1 jonshaw916 2017-10-26
They are likely going to release evidence that would have acquited Oswald of all charges /s
1 of_mendez 2017-10-26
yes
1 BubblingMonkey 2017-10-26
I'm not. Plenty of time to get rid of anything they need to and to fix it to what fits right with no or little suspicion. I am not expecting much truthfully.
1 andr50 2017-10-26
I'm expecting to find out Hillary Clinton personally killed JFK.
1 666Evo 2017-10-26
Honestly, I've never really thought governments keep documents that prove their nefarious activities.
Anything relevant to a juicy theory was probably burned on the spot.
I mean, why would they?
"Hey, guys, I've got this idea to assassinate the president. Let's write it all down and then lock it in a vault for 50 years."
1 universalslab 2017-10-26
Find a loose thread and keep pulling on it.
1 blowtheroofoff 2017-10-26
[redacted]
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
[redacted]!!!!!!
1 11-22-1963 2017-10-26
Thanks for setting up the thread btw
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
yw, relevant user name.
1 11-22-1963 2017-10-26
Yes! Hehe I figured now would be a good time to post.
1 12-23-1913 2017-10-26
;)
1 11-22-1963 2017-10-26
Nice name :)
1 mattymattC 2017-10-26
you two should... date. :)
1 DocVierdeManhattan 2017-10-26
I imagined that with a C-137 Rick style burp in the middle
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Wow. Fuck the fed. Had to Google the date to figure out wtf is so bad about it. It's the signing of the federal reserve into law.
1 agent570358201 2017-10-26
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1 trjb 2017-10-26
Those are government issue highlighters citizen!
1 manman778 2017-10-26
[DATA EXPUNGED]
1 Trump_My_Ride_Or_Die 2017-10-26
Guys we have had a big day today. Im sure everyone is tired. What you guys say? Lets all take the day off from the electronics tomorrow and just go out. You know get some fresh air, maybe go fishing or take your dogo for a very long walk.
Im sure our eyes, fingers, and brain will appreciate that. Right guys. Whos in? Everyone right?
NoElectronicsThursday
Make that trend as fast as you can!
1 QnsConcrete 2017-10-26
Just curious, do you have a job?
1 Trump_My_Ride_Or_Die 2017-10-26
Are u trying to get me to doxx myself?
1 QnsConcrete 2017-10-26
No I'm just wondering what kind of job you have in the year 2017 where you wouldn't be required to touch any electronics.
1 SokarRostau 2017-10-26
Dildo demonstration artiste.
1 AlvinItchyCock 2017-10-26
Ya but the vibrating doue pentrator is an electronic so....
1 contendedrhinoceros 2017-10-26
You serious?
1 QnsConcrete 2017-10-26
Please enlighten me.
1 contendedrhinoceros 2017-10-26
Painter, builder, carpenter, street sweeper, bin man, skydive instructor, climbing instructor, welder, plumber, pretty much all "artistic" endeavours, list goes on.
And depending on what you extrapolate as "electronics" ( I took it to mean phones/computers..and not things as cash registers) any customer service job such as star bucks worker, bar workers, waitresses, etc...
1 QnsConcrete 2017-10-26
I could see some of those jobs where if you're lucky you wouldn't have to touch a phone for a day. Although I'm pretty sure if you have customers and you decide to not answer your phone all day without any notice, you might lose some business.
1 contendedrhinoceros 2017-10-26
A valid point.
Although again it depends on our interpretation of what the post meant. You're seeing it more literal than myself; which is fine.
1 wipeout4wh 2017-10-26
Looks like your sarcasm detector is broken.
1 agent570358201 2017-10-26
Let me guess...you're getting sleepy too.
1 of_mendez 2017-10-26
why just thursday, why not all october, or 2017, or we just bury or heads in the sand forever
1 dozeer55 2017-10-26
Judging by the downvotes, people really don't understand sarcasm...
1 Trump_My_Ride_Or_Die 2017-10-26
I guess its not for everyone
1 AwakenedIthink 2017-10-26
Is this going to be a dump or are they only going to be available through FOIA?
1 rapgoddragslayer1996 2017-10-26
when the satanic CIA can't use black magic because all their demigods ran away, from this dimension, their boss literally just lost the game of 100 years, a test with victory conditions you might say.
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
Somebody still thinks the deep state is going to hang itself?
I don't think so.
1 Spin1 2017-10-26
When everyone wakes up today and begins reading through the files, I want you all who love all that is good and just, all who love the America it could still be, who value life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, remember this -
They killed our President. They killed Jack, and then Bobby. Two bright lights of hope, cut down. The world was never darker than that day, I tell you. Because it wasn't like the light had gone out of the sky - it was like the light fell out of sky for all time, forever. They killed, in biblical terms, a Just Man. They don't teach kids about Kennedy anymore. No one cares. But we do.
1 InternetNapalm 2017-10-26
Hyperbolic much?
1 Ash_1008 2017-10-26
You must be new here.
1 InternetNapalm 2017-10-26
explain how JFK assassination = worst day in human history
1 LisleCommuter 2017-10-26
Because of his death, America has continued down the path of perpetual war and expanding the military industrial complex.
1 InternetNapalm 2017-10-26
okay... but are you really prepared to say it was the WORST day in human history?
not even jfk himself would agree with that awful analysis
1 DeuceStaley 2017-10-26
Literally his post is that explanation...
1 InternetNapalm 2017-10-26
you guys are retarded. Tragic day yes. but 9/11? The holocaust? I can think of millions more tragic events.
1 Dhaerrow 2017-10-26
Holocaust wasn't one day.
9/11 was most likely pulled off by the same people.
The assassination of JFK led to the escalation of the Vietnam War, doubling-down on the Cold War, a monster of a President (LBJ), the revamping of the military industrial complex, unchecked power for three-letter agencies, a nuclear Middle East, and the breakdown of trust between the government and the people.
It's a very good contender for "darkest day".
1 InternetNapalm 2017-10-26
Nah dude holocaust was one day
1 ebai 2017-10-26
Here's to you, Nicola and Bart
Rest forever here in our hearts
The last and final moment is yours
That agony is your triumph
1 kthxbrit 2017-10-26
Dont forget hoe Clinton murdered JFK Jr. for the NY senate seat
1 mythstified 2017-10-26
Yes, but, it was her turn
1 jonestony710 2017-10-26
Yeah for real, everyone else step aside, she deserved it, and it belonged to her. That's why she's been such a good President so far......
1 Rugged_Turtle 2017-10-26
Please expand I've never heard about this.
1 v_maet 2017-10-26
JFK Jr's plane crash is presumed to be caused by the Clinton's so Hillary could be the NY senator instead of JFK Jr.
There have been a number of clinton enemies who have died in plane crashes except Jr'd crash occured during good flying conditions and he had a wealth of experience.
1 OshQosh 2017-10-26
He was on his way, to make a public announcement, for his NY Senate campaign, when his plane went down. One day later, Hillary Clinton announced his campaign for NY Senate.
1 illonlyusethisonceok 2017-10-26
He wasn't even going to run. Stop spreading this shit.
1 QS_iron 2017-10-26
[redacted]
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
I have a wife and kid, so I can't exactly spend time dedicated to just doing nothing. So I salute all of you who are able to spend your time reading through the releases so the rest of us can find out the information (even if it only ends up being 3 readable and unredacted lines total).
God speed!
1 cakeboy1995 2017-10-26
congrats on the sex
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
What sex? I have a wife and a kid.
1 Vault32 2017-10-26
Ba dump-bump!
1 contendedrhinoceros 2017-10-26
Me undies. Me undies. No more sweaty balls
1 ShiftyMcCoy 2017-10-26
♫Me undies, me undies, you can find 'em down at the mall...♫
1 Cael_of_House_Howell 2017-10-26
Badoopboopboop
1 666Evo 2017-10-26
zip
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECRUTAH
1 therealenergy 2017-10-26
My man!
1 johnyann 2017-10-26
One time confirmed sex haver.
1 mynameis_garrett 2017-10-26
not his kid. step-kid
1 johnyann 2017-10-26
This is /r/conspiracy after all.
1 jtriangle 2017-10-26
I mean, you probably had at least one sex.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
You're doing it wrong. Me and my wife have a 3 year old and haven't stopped 3-5 times per week since 2 months after my daughter was born.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
It's more our issue than the fact we have a daughter, it's just not as funny if you say that.
1 12-23-1913 2017-10-26
There's different theories as to who and why JFK was assassinated.
Let me be clear: The "magic bullet" theory is absurd--along with the subsequent official investigations. I suggest everyone read the leaked CIA memo 1035-960 where the CIA weaponized the term Conspiracy Theorist. The document has literal bullet points on how operatives should dilute, disrupt, and obfuscate theories around his death.
Also, please research JFK's discussions with the found of Israel, Ben Gurion, in relation to Israeli nuclear testing.
JFK was disliked by numerous nefarious groups, but he really pissed off the military industrial complex, intelligence agencies, and radicals like the Irgun. The Dimona conflict isn't mentioned as much, but in my opinion it was one of the top reasons he was taken out.
RIP John
1 Water_Sip 2017-10-26
Yep. Menachem Begin was a really gross scum piece of shit
1 MAGUSW 2017-10-26
Wonder if this former FBI agent will be shown to be close to the truth?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXQYvm57YM
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
Wow I never heard that theory before. He brought up some compelling arguments. Thanks for sharing
1 MAGUSW 2017-10-26
Np. Glad I could.
1 chistiman 2017-10-26
I've also followed the story for decades and never heard this theory. Thank you sir.
1 MAGUSW 2017-10-26
Aye ya welcome.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Of all the theories, to me - the inner works of government agencies always seemed more plausible than foreign or mob related.
1 MAGUSW 2017-10-26
Same here although to me they are quite interlaced.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Here is another video of his cellmate claiming the same
1 MAGUSW 2017-10-26
That’s new to me. That Oswald and Ruby knew one another.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
I honestly am a newcomer. I haven't delved into all the past information or dug deep into the theories but from what I have talked about, my thought always remained - a cover up.
Not sure they did, even in the video they say if its true.
1 ponyrojo 2017-10-26
I dunno, I'm kind of secretly a fan of the mob hit theory. Especially since (allegedly) Santo Trafficante made a deathbed confession of his involvement in the assassination.
Also, when people bring up how, if the entire military industrial complex was in on killing JFK, why hasn't anyone leaked any info. Well, with a mob hit, you don't have a 100 people in on it, its a handful of loyal men, and they are very good at keeping quite.
Again, it's not something I shout from the rooftops, but of all the theories out there, it's the one I tend to lean towards.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
I honestly believe it was a small vendetta agaisnt the President. That a small group of men within the FBI planned it and made it happen not that the whole entire FBI was in on it.
The mob theory definitely pans out, but then it bears the questions, why did a mobster kill the assassin? If the assassin (Oswald) was part of the mob, then why did Ruby (Oswalds assassin) kill him?
1 ponyrojo 2017-10-26
Yes, good questions. Ruby is another point in favor of the mob hit theory.
But, as you've correctly pointed out, the problem with the mob hit theory is Oswald, he's just such a weird character.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Oswald is a constant "what the hell?" the more you look into him the more you realize he wasn't capable of something like that. He didn't have the expertise in my opinion.
1 TheDevilishAdvocate 2017-10-26
Obviously because Oswald was going to chirp like a bird and they needed to silence him before he could testify.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Completely plausible a subsection of via paid him
1 ponyrojo 2017-10-26
I dunno, I'm kind of secretly a fan of the mob hit theory. Especially since (allegedly) Santo Trafficante made a deathbed confession of his involvement in the assassination.
Also, when people bring up how, if the entire military industrial complex was in on killing JFK, why hasn't anyone leaked any info. Well, with a mob hit, you don't have a 100 people in on it, its a handful of loyal men, and they are very good at keeping quiet.
Again, it's not something I shout from the rooftops, but of all the theories out there, it's the one I tend to lean towards.
1 Hambone_Malone 2017-10-26
Dude!!! That was awesome! I've never heard that. That makes sense. But raises more questions. Man this rabbit hole never ends.
1 thehornedone 2017-10-26
add bankers, specifically the Fed, to the list of people he pissed off
1 Stickmoe 2017-10-26
Pissed off the who's who of people you do not piss off.
1 SorbateHead 2017-10-26
The real reasons are never mentioned or talked about. They talk about the distractions....Oswald, multiple shooters, the secret service behavior etc and all the mystery.
When Jack Ruby, real name Jack Ruby Rubenstein murdered Oswald, the dots were then quite clear to be connected.
1 squirrelove4 2017-10-26
Life itself is absurd. Reality doesn't give two shits if you can comprehend what happen or not, so absurdity has no bearing on validity.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
0_o
1 Frogreddit 2017-10-26
L I T E R A L L Y
1 12-23-1913 2017-10-26
;)
1 AspiringOligarch 2017-10-26
Dimona was (is) Israel's nuclear facility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Nuclear_Research_Center
Israel was determined to get nuclear weapons, and JFK was not going to allow that to happen, as he plainly told Israel's Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, in this letter, of May, 1963.
https://archive.is/CITnD
He followed up with another letter to newly elected Israeli Prime Minister Eshkol in July, 1963, demanding that the US be allowed to inspect the facility.
Quoting the JFK letter:
https://archive.is/k6DUB
In November, Kennedy was dead, and Johnson was President, and Israel got their nuclear weapons.
There is something you should know about Lyndon B. Johnson:
Lyndon B. Johnson -- A Righteous Gentile
https://archive.is/MV4Sh
Johnson was a lifelong Zionist, and the best US President Israel ever had.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
If you got any more info drop it brother
1 ggqq 2017-10-26
seconded. fucking seconded.
1 envyusgamers1 2017-10-26
he made a video, saying he will expose the cabal and then died.
1 SuperPoop 2017-10-26
I'd like to see someone try to rationalize the MIC.
1 minimalist_reply 2017-10-26
New to this hypothesis....what is it exactly?
That JFK was opposed to giving Israel some materials necessary for early nuclear capabilities? Or not opposed but he wanted to be open about it?
1 BenTheFlash 2017-10-26
How come your username says the date of when the Federal Reserve was created?
1 WolfofAnarchy 2017-10-26
What was JFK's position on Israel that made him disliked by those groups
1 undesirabledesires 2017-10-26
According to CNN the docs are going to have information about Oswald's trip to Mexico City, as well expose CIA connections with the mob and their attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro.
1 Skywalker__OG 2017-10-26
Really, that could be a big reason they haven't wanted to release them. The Intelligence agencies know they've done a lot of dirt in the past and have been trying to rehabilitate there image for years now. This could set them back with the publics trust.
1 Slygore 2017-10-26
There is public trust in them?
1 -p-a-b-l-o- 2017-10-26
Yeah the people who just live life getting their news only from CNN, NBC, and the like.
1 Ye_ole_DB 2017-10-26
So like 90% of reddit?
1 -p-a-b-l-o- 2017-10-26
Yeah
1 CommanderCougs 2017-10-26
95%
1 tanamingo 2017-10-26
And many pro-government viewers of Fox news and the like. Same thing goes for any major news outlet--no one side is responsible.
1 JasonTakesMAGAtten 2017-10-26
According to CNN there is nothing to see here and remember, we can view these files, for you it's illegal to do so.
1 ravonaf 2017-10-26
Because all highly classified information has to be vetted by CNN before it gets to the public. At least according to CNN. /s
1 notillegible1 2017-10-26
as you can see in the 100 page document in my post:
connections with the mob and their attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/78tmwd/jfk_megathread/doznhxn/
1 undefeated7777 2017-10-26
Who is ready to hear some truth?
1 Spatulism 2017-10-26
Good idea. There are so many weird meta posts flooding new this morning.
Now- are we going to see unredacted files?
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Never forget: The JFK assassination was staged. It was a hoax.
All conspiracy theories about him being actually killed are planted misdirection. And this release of files is also misdirection. JFK was never a black sheep, never had any intention of dissolving the CIA, challenging the FED or anything like that. It was all just a pose. At bottom, he was an actor playing a role in the demented script that TPTB wrote for the twisted lie we call the 20th century. He was very good at acting the part, but make no mistake: he was pretending.
http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf
https://pieceofmindful.com/2017/05/12/jfktv-new-revised/
https://pieceofmindful.com/2016/11/10/proof-that-morgue-photos-of-john-f-kennedy-are-fake/
http://letsrollforums.com//jfk-murder-staged-event-t23127.html
http://mileswmathis.com/castro.pdf
http://mileswmathis.com/jfkgay.pdf
1 ImSoFuckinHello 2017-10-26
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Yes, of course more mainstream websites are certainly more credible. LOL. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean their content is invalid. It's just evidence of your ignorance. How about trying to actually deal with the piles and piles of evidence they deal with rather than dismiss them because you have your head up your ass?
1 SativaGanesh 2017-10-26
I checked out the first PDF. No sources. How are we supposed to glean anything meaningful when there aren't any citations? The author could be spewing any bullshit and there's no source to check it against.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Actually, that's not true. He does cite a few sources, but there is no citation list. Instead he either gives you hyperlinks or the name of the source when he mentions it.
However, it is true that there are very few sources. The reason is that he is making a highly original argument here based on reason, logic and lots and, most importantly, lots of photographic evidence. He doesn't need to cite the photographs, because he shows them to you.
Another reason why he cites few sources: part of his argument is that "mainstream" conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination are purposeful or planted misdirection. So why would he cite sources that he thinks are purposefully misleading?
But above all, it's clear that you didn't bother to actually read the paper or digest the evidence. You are dismissing it because you jumped to the end and didn't see any references. How incredibly lazy of you.
1 SativaGanesh 2017-10-26
I did jump to the end because I'm not going to waste my time reading nearly a hundred pages of conjecture. It's one thing to question the truth of the official narrative, it's another thing to cook up a theory without basing it on real world evidence.
Photos do need to be cited. Firstly so the photographer can get their due credit, and secondly because without a source there's no way to compare the published photo to other versions of it. How then do we know the image hasn't been manipulated?
The only citation I found was copy pasted from wikipedia, the others were hyperlinks. Overall, that's lazy and reflects poorly on a piece of writing that clearly took a long time to research and type up. We learn in grade school how important it is to cite our sources so others can reference the same source material as us. This helps reinfornce the validity of a point and can reveal issues with the data being presented.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Wow, you're really, really good at lying. Remember: if you're really good at something, never do it for free. The paper is drowning in real world evidence, as I told you. That you don't wish to look at any of it says a lot more about you than it does about the evidence.
No, the photos do not need to be cited. They can all easily be found on-line and easily checked. You will see that none have been altered.
Again, why would you cite sources that are chalk full of lies and misdirection? There is no source he can cite because his argument (at the time) was very novel. But, hey, glad to see you're still thinking at the level of an elementary school student. Nothing like school to set our minds free. Don't ever give up: you might graduate 6th grade some day.
Anyway, I can tell by your dishonest debate tactics where this is going. You're going to try to waste my time and take me round and round through a maze of illogic, denial, and constantly shifting ground. So I'm getting off this train and will not respond to you anymore. Good day.
1 chomblebrown 2017-10-26
Agent provocateur detected
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
We can't all be idiot shillbots.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
You're very confused about history my man. His body lamguage indicates 100% that he actually was a progressive... you're just spinning up your own weird ass theory, and using sketchy websites to support it...
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
yeah, i'm relying on 'sketchy' websites and my reading of history is wrong, and you know this because of JFK's "body language." okay...
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
You're just full of it man. You want to say he's an establishment guy? that's absolute bullshit. You don't know anything about history if that's what you think of him.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
No, the problem here is that you think you know something about history, but in fact all you know about is the kabuki theater our governors have passed off as history. It's manufactured bullshit spoonfed to people like you with tiny intellects and childlike levels of credulousness. Let me guess, you probably think that JFK wanted to challenge the Fed with silver certificates and that Smedley Butler was some kind of hero, right?
But neither of those things are true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp8Rkl_DcP8
https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2017/08/19/major-general-smedley-butler-was-a-fraud-and-a-liar/
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
Look man he wasnt perfect. I didnt say he wasn't rich or that his family wasnt involved in crime. But he wanted to chop up the CIA, he wanted to get rid of fractional reserves. He was the most progressive president since FDR, and thats a fact. He tried to move us away from doing coups and forcing our economic system on ither countries. He paid the price for this... now if you want to pretend that he was a complete scumbag then you tell me who you think is better. Carter? Bush? Clinton? Obama? All a bunch of scumbags in comparison.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
You didn't say he wasn't rich, but you did say he wasn't establishment. But he was. And yes, they are all scumbags. Some of them are simply assigned to play the role of the "good guy." Just like FDR. If you think FDR was so progressive, you should read part 1 of my paper on Smedley Butler. It can be accessed through the link I gave you above, but here's a direct link to it. Read the first two pages and then skip to page 9 after the break. FDR was not what we were taught. None of them were. Not even Gandhi.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
FDR was a war monger in the end. He was involved in highlevel financial shit too... every president is. But they both wanted banking reform, health care, and overall less war.
He these two are "progressive" because right now we're in a frickin death spiral. They represent a direction that we need to head in. We won't survive if we don't get one of these bone-thrower guys... thats alls im saying.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Oh, right, now the coin dropped: you believe the fairy tale that Presidents are the real decision makers who actually have power. Well sorry to be the one who has to tell you this, but they are just fronts for ultra-wealthy families who really run and control this world. Oh, and another thing, Santa Claus isn't real, either. I know the truth hurts, but there comes a time in everyone's life when they have to abandon the comfort of fairy tales and grow up. I think your time has come.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
Jesus christ are you presumtuous. No. Wrong again. They dont have power in the areas that really matter, but they can influence people very easily. Promoting those ideas is progressive. Deal with it.
But what they do have is virtually unlimited military power at their disposal, and they choose to use it or not. Those that try their best not to use it even with all the internal pressures are progressive, fucking deal with it.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
But earlier you said that FDR was progressive. And then you admit he was a war monger. And then you said those who choose not to use the military power at their disposal are progressive. So that means FDR was not progressive. You are tying yourself up in logical knots of inconsistency due to your unwillingness to face facts. Oh well, you can keep living in your fantasy land of make believe fairy tales. Have a nice life. Good bye.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
if we had someone equal to fdr right now we'd be moving in the correct direction. That would be progress. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be progress. fuckin obviously
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
If you read my research I linked to on FDR's fealty to Wall Street and the Banksters, you'd begin to have an inkling of just how wrong you are. You've swallowed their propaganda just as they intended. Amazing how it has eaten away at your brain.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
Great, I get it, rich democrats aren't ideal... I'm saying he rebuilt capitalism from the ground up, and helped people. Socialism was infused into the system... and it helped. Are you denying these facts?
Right now we have different factions of fascists running things. Going back to something like FDR or Kennedy wouldn't be progress? Do you really seriously think that? What are you fucking insane?
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
I'm saying they're not facts, they're fairy tales. And yes, I do deny them. Read my paper.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
So would you literally disagree with the statement "The new-deal was good"?
Also what would you suggest as a solution to fascism? What are you about man? Historical opinions aside, can we agree that a third party is not feasible under this system, and that both parties are dangerous as fuck? I just don't know where else you'd look for a solution, other than people like FDR and others like Henry Wallace.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
Yes, there are forms of fascism that make life easier for people and forms that make life harder. If forced to choose, prefer the form of fascism that includes most New Deal reforms. I would rather live under welfare capitalisms than under neo-liberal capitalism.
But we differ fundamentally on our understanding of the role that politicians like FDR played in bringing about those reforms. I say he was acting on orders; you say he was his own man. On this issue and many others about how politics work, we fundamentally disagree. And so I don't see any reason to continue this back-and-forth. It's a waste of my time and yours.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
No I never said that... I think he happened to be the guy that did some good things. I personally dont much care for him as a person.
And let me say this- I don't vote for neo-liberals because of the lesser of two evils bullshit. I dont believe that. But I know for a fact the new deal helped the middle class, and ended the dust bowl. So yes, I happen to respect FDR's presidency. I don't respect Truman or mostly any of the others. But yes JFK.
Even if someone is currupt and is a liar, to even come out and say that there is a shadow government, that's a highly respectable thing for a president. Would he have gotten the things he said he wanted? Probably not. But he provided people with critically important information.
1 daddie_o 2017-10-26
God you're an idiot. Please leave me alone.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
And another thing- those that try to minimize the number of false flags- they are progressive on that.
Maybe simply doing damage control isn't good enough in the long run, but its a hell of alot more progressive than what we're looking at now... wouldn't you agree?
1 Fuckaduckfuckaduck 2017-10-26
I remember listening to the scanner the day of the Boston Bombings. There was a call for some sort of small explosion and subsequent fire at the JFK Library.
Since then I’ve always wondered what files, or information on the assassination may have been stowed away there. Personally, I think anything relevant to the truth of the JFK assassination is long since gone. George HW Bush “reviewed” the files within his first few days in office, as well as the aforementioned JFK Library shenanigans, I just think anything resembling the truth has been redacted, lost, or burnt,
That said; One thing is for sure (at least to me), ever since it was announced that these files would be released, there has been an absolute shitstorm of shilling here, on 4chan, and on Voat. Usually when the shills show up en masse, it’s for a reason. And most of these newcomers are not your regular run of the mill shill. These fuckers are smart, well spoken, and real good about dodging rules.
Now look, I realize there is a lot of shit going down right now, so the shills are not just for the JFK file release, but I also firmly believe the deep state is shitting bricks like never before. The file release, Uranium One, Hollywood pedos, Vegas narrative BTFO, Poppy Bush being accused ... it certainly feels like an orchestrated attack on the deep state. At least I’m hoping and praying that is the case anyway.
Either that, or we are all being played like a fucking fiddle....
Welp, gonna go pop me some popcorn now cuz no matter what, things are about to get pretty interesting.
1 DarkDosman 2017-10-26
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1 RedditSilverRobot 2017-10-26
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1 niakarad 2017-10-26
why would ANY of those documents be there? It's not like a literal library of everything related to jfk.
(though I agree that they're never going to release anything with the truth in it)
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Presidential libraries are where ex pesidents have a bunch of documents available for review just like the national archives. No where near everything but they still have the stuff there
1 niakarad 2017-10-26
But none of this stuff would have been available for review is what I'm saying, I can't imagine they'd keep all the top secret files there too just because its the jfk library
1 JasonTakesMAGAtten 2017-10-26
Problem with shills is, they don't work on woke people with more intelligence than them. normies and newbies to this sub maybe, MAYBE. I do believe they red-pill more than they keep those asleep, to be honest.
1 wipeout4wh 2017-10-26
Yeah... that's exactly what they want you to think. Go ahead, get cocky and assume that you're smarter than the rest of the world, and that you're the only one who can see the truth.
1 JasonTakesMAGAtten 2017-10-26
I’m not worried about shills, are you? No one in their position is winning now nor will they moving forward. They will be seeking unemployment in under a year.
1 wipeout4wh 2017-10-26
I'm not worried about the shills. It's the people they work for who I'm worried about. The shills are just doing their dirty work.
1 Shill4CIA 2017-10-26
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia-volume-oswald-missing/
They have lost the volume containing the info on Oswald. This is a farce. They have lost what was probably the most vital part of the documentation.
The remaining volumes will be redacted to oblivion so that nobody alive will be implicated.
I predict that there will be one small revelation that will amaze and satisfy most people and keep the remaining events secret which is the very definition of a limited hangout.
Even worse, they could potentially fabricate evidence that a foreign government was involved like Russia, feeding into the current Russiaphobia climate that the CIA are currently pushing.
1 NapeSteam 2017-10-26
"lost"
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
Like emails.
1 BradyMead 2017-10-26
accidentally deleted the files, accidentally smashed the harddrive, accidentally shredded all physical copies, accidentally burnt all the physical copies, accidentally
1 Sexy_Vampire 2017-10-26
lost, two bullets to the head I hear
1 mattymattC 2017-10-26
Maybe it is where all the moon landing info went missing too.
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
At this point, I’m convinced that there’s an inter-agency vault somewhere that’s highly guarded, where things go to be “lost”.
Either that or a giant incinerator.
What did it for me was the interview with the guy from NASA being interviewed about going to mars. The interviewer says something to the effect of “why not go back to the moon and establish a refueling base?”
“We had that technology [to get to the moon] in the 1960s, but we, uh, destroyed that technology, and rebuilding it would be a painful process.”
K.
Then NASA records over and loses Apollo tapes and data?
K.
The government really does think Americans are completely brainless. In many cases, they’re right unfortunately.
1 ezerak 2017-10-26
It is literally the vault from the end of the Raiders of the Lost Ark and the dread sequel. Top men are on it. Top men.
1 mattymattC 2017-10-26
Wagging that moobmndoogie indeed.
1 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2017-10-26
Typo of the week award.
1 mattymattC 2017-10-26
I am the king of typos. :)
1 throwawaymnmnmn 2017-10-26
good read
1 kevjay17 2017-10-26
To be fair, the only way that technology would work now is if the parts were manufactured in the exact same way they were then, which they aren't. You can view the source code on stackoverflow I believe (it's available somewhere, can't remember if that's the correct place though).
1 alekzander01 2017-10-26
Moon landing conspiracy still doesn't sell imo. The fact that the Soviet union never denied it pretty much confirms it happened, hell they even congratulated the astronauts.
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
I see what you’re saying, but there are a lot of things about the Apollo missions that stink. You can see wires in certain clips, there’s footage of Aldrin and crew using clever camera trickery with a round window in low-earth-orbit to achieve a disingenuous shot of the earth from “120,000 miles out”. It’s pretty damning footage. I’ll track it down for you if you haven’t seen it. It was included in Bart Sibrel’s “Something Funny Happened On the Way to the Moon” documentary.
I can’t stand the guy personally, but the footage stands.
1 mrpoodles11 2017-10-26
I don’t believe in the moon landings because the moon isn’t even real.
1 jtriangle 2017-10-26
"how can the moon be real if our eyes aren't real?" -jaden smith probably
1 mythstified 2017-10-26
Have you ever actually seen your eyes directly? Nope. Check mate.
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
What would happen if you popped your eyeballs out of their sockets but kept the optic nerve attached, and then POINTED ONE EYEBALL DIRECTLY AT THE OTHER?
The simulation we’re living in would BSOD. That would be the end of it.
1 FRAU_VON_HITLERPANTS 2017-10-26
"Who are you going to believe, mrpoodles11 or your own eyes?"
1 gin-reaper 2017-10-26
because soviets and US both didn't want to reveal truth about outer space
1 alekzander01 2017-10-26
And what would that be? There's 0 reason to lie about space, especially when it's such a mundane thing these days. Even private companies are launching satellites.
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
You’re right that there’s no reason to lie about space. However, if we were unable to fulfill JFK’s promise to land a man on the moon before the end of the decade and return him safely to earth, there is very good reason to lie about that. I can see both sides of the argument when it comes to the Apollo debate.
Ultimately it isn’t that important compared to conspiracies like 9/11 that are negatively affecting us here, now, today.
Ya dig?
1 420alldayson 2017-10-26
What truth is that?
1 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-10-26
The decisions of the 1960's Russian regime to congratulate the USA for the accomplishment of Apollo has nothing to do with confirming space travel beyond the Van Allen belts.
The sentiment at the time, IF Russia had complained, it would be seen all around the world as "sour grapes", "poor losers".
A quick check of human space altitude records will show that the Russians, in 1965, achieved ~500km (300 miles) altitude and for the past 52 years have stayed well below the VAB.
The space altitude record speaks louder than words, for if, travel beyond the VAB was possible, the Russians would have sent a female cosmonaut to the moon so that Russia could enjoy the world wide prestige.
The fact that Russia has stayed below the VAB for so long is prima facie evidence that can not be disputed - and it speaks VOLUMES about their attitude toward human space travel.
1 alekzander01 2017-10-26
Yeah nah, the USSR wouldn't avoid the biggest propaganda victory of the century just to avoid being called Butthurt. If it was fake they would have proved it with their own Astronomists, Physicists and Cosmonauts who'd provide the scientific explanation as to why it would have been impossible. Even if the western world didn't believe them, sowing the distrust and suspicion would have been good enough.
1 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-10-26
You:
Me:
We may agree to disagree on this. But I guess this is a JFK thread and not the appropriate venue to go into depth on Russia's motives.
1 billi_pede 2017-10-26
It won’t matter if they are all dumped today. There will only be a .0000001% chance that the website will not go down due to being overwhelmed with traffic.
1 BoyCriedWolfBlitzer 2017-10-26
He had Atkinson's disease that's why his skin is darker. It will come out in the files that's why CIA killed him. He had psychotic episodes and freaked out while dealing with Gorbachev and ruined a deal because he started acting crazy. Also didn't send in air support to Cuba (to push the Cubans to war for our provocation) [Cuban Missle Crisis] Along with the disbanding CIA, ending/auditing the FED. This will be the revelation to appease people and leave it at that by saying oh well I know the government did it. But will not implicate anyone.
1 Cael_of_House_Howell 2017-10-26
I think you mean Addisons disease
1 PerplexedPirate 2017-10-26
You can develop Atkinson's disease is from only eating red meat. Its a fairly benign disease except at the end where your head splits open.
1 Cael_of_House_Howell 2017-10-26
Yeah but JFK had Addisons disease
1 PerplexedPirate 2017-10-26
Yeah I know, I was making a joke on OPs mistake. Atkin's, founder of the Atkins only eat meat diet, died after falling and hitting his head.
1 Cael_of_House_Howell 2017-10-26
lmao I didn't even register that. I was thinking of the disease that you get when bitten by a certain tick that makes you allergic to red meat.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
They can't reday them. They're being declassified completely
1 d3rr 2017-10-26
Case cracked http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kennedy-letter-to-eshkol-regarding-dimona-july-1963
1 DunningCrewgar 2017-10-26
With the recent smoke and mirrors by the CIA about "how desperately" they don't want the documents released its clear nothing of importance remains. Though I'm hopeful those sick fcks have missed something and we can nail them.
1 AnonDocs 2017-10-26
Look we all know what's going to happen. They will spin a story to where it was incompetence and not conspiracy. They will admit the government covered up evidence but they will give a boring false reason for this: to hide that they already had early knowledge of the attack. It's their default line. I 100% guarantee this is how it will go down. It's boring but still sinister enough to satisfy the average Joe.
1 BradyMead 2017-10-26
Is their any proof for the deep state theory? It's really interesting but I haven't really seen much about it
1 Sarcasticus 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 BadgerGecko 2017-10-26
That's from July
1 Sarcasticus 2017-10-26
So it is.
1 Ekilov 2017-10-26
Nice. That’s answers if they will be digital. Thanks for the link.
1 TiramiZeus 2017-10-26
Are we going to see everything, or will some documents remain secret forever?
NARA is trusted with preserving our archival holdings permanently and holds that all records in our legal custody will eventually be available for research. That said, there are categories of records in the collection that, in accordance with the Act, will not be released in 2017. Sections 10 and 11 of the act discuss grand jury information and records held under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code (tax return information) as well as records covered by a specific deed of gift. We have identified a small number of records, or portions of records, that fit into these categories. For all other records, how long records stay withheld after 2017 will be determined by the President, who has final appeal authority.
1 wipeout4wh 2017-10-26
They don't even have everything. You really think they would just leave incriminating evidence lying around? They burned anything relevant.
1 TherealPattyP 2017-10-26
Are these the files mentioned at the end of JFK the movie???
1 Muadib_Muadib 2017-10-26
It was Marilyn's ghost!
1 ezerak 2017-10-26
Things to look for today:
At the CAPA Press Conference at the National Press Club in March former ARRB chairman Judge John Tunheim discussed these possible items as not being turned over to the ARRB or possibly hidden for this release:
Oswald CIA Office of Security File Volume 5, last seen by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which recently garnered some publicity.
Files of the first chief council to HSCA Richard Sprague, who took his files home with him when he was fired for conducting a real investigation. The Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB), responsible for identifying and obtaining records, missed them because they confused the attorney Richard Sprague with the computer programmer of the same name whose extensive files on the assassination are part of the JFK Collection. Sprague's HSCA files, paid for by taxpayers that rightfully belong at the Archives, are currently in Sprague's Philadelphia law office.
Soviet KGB records of Oswald's time in Moscow and Minsk that were obtained by Norman Mailer are now in the possession of Mailer's former associate Lawrence Schiller, who refused to turn them over to the ARRB.
Unedited AF1 Radio Transmission tapes from November 22, 1963. Two different edited versions of these tapes are available, one on cassette tapes released by the LBJ Library and a reel to reel version discovered among the personnel effects of General Clifton. The White House Communications Agency (WHCA) is responsible for these tapes.
Church Committee interviews with Gerry Patrick Hemming, Orest Pena, Immigration and Naturalization Service and Customs officials, and other Church Committee testimony are missing.
U.S. Customs records on Cubans requested by the HSCA were so voluminous they couldn't begiven to the HSCA, but now consist of only a few records at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).
The audio tape recording of Gaeton Fonzi's interview with Mitch Werbell was erased and the transcript is missing, only Fonzi's notes remain.
John Newman says that Eisenhower era reports on assassinations of foreign leaders that he copied years ago are now missing from the NARA, and he believes such records are being deliberately stolen.
Bill Simpich notes that CIA Mexico City Station (MCS) cable to Headquarters from September 26-30, 1963 are missing as well as cables from CIA HQ to MCS, JMWAVE to HQ and HQ to JMWAVE cable traffic on the same dates, and all cable traffic between MCS and JMWAVE between September 26 and October 20 and November 22 to December 30, 1963 are missing.
The CIA's study of the July 20, 1944 attempt to kill Hitler to be adapted for use against Castro, as mentioned by Desmond FitzGerald in his September 23, 1963 briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the subject of a FOIA lawsuit by the Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC).
Office of Naval Intelligence - ONI Defector File, as identified as an assassination record by Navy Lt. Com. T. Pike, but never turned over to the Archives.
ONI 119 investigation reports on Oswald's defection and the assassination, as referred to by the Navy investigators who wrote them and the officers who read them.
The assassination files of the Director of the ONI Rufus Taylor, whose office had undercover agents working in Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, installing and maintaining the sound system, who reported, in the only surviving document, that Oswald was seen in the club.
James Mastrovito - the Secret Service Agent responsible for the SS records on the assassination acknowledged to the ARRB that he "culled" - destroyed many records and flushed into a food processor a vile of material labeled "JFK brain - Armed Forces Institute of Pathology," with no repercussions.
The Secret Service destroyed many records, including the Advance Reports for the Tampa trip after the JFK Act was passed by Congress, although copies of some of these records were found among the personal effects of Agent Gerald Blaine, who wrote the Tampa Advance report.
The "Homme Report" from a Congressional subcommittee reportedly contains information on Robert F. Kennedy's knowledge and approval of CIA plans to kill Fidel Castro.
RFK's date book for 1963 is missing from the Kennedy Library.
Four boxes of witness testimony turned over to NARA in April 1965 by US Attorney now missing.
OSI - Office of Special Investigation military intelligence review of Oswald's State Department file is missing.
When former US Marine officer Oliver Revill joined the FBI he reported on an investigation of Oswald and files on him at a US Marine base in North Carolina, records not in the public record.
The Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel had documents excluded from the Warren Commission, according to a memo sent to ARRB and NARA archivist Steve Tilly, "more stuff lost in the shuffle," says Malcolm Blunt.
The ARRB tried to obtain Oswald's New Orleans court records but were told they were accidentally destroyed when sent for microfilming.
Army Intelligence files on Oswald were kept from the Warren Commission and then "routinely" destroyed.
In 1976 when the CIA Counterintelligence staff were reviewing JFK assassination files the Security Office did not hand over their "secondary files" on Oswald, aka "research files," that were not seen by HSCA or any other component of the CIA, as Malcolm Blunt says "they are like a whole separate agency."
Larry Haapanen notes, White House Situation Room Incoming-Outgoing Message Log for 11/22/63-11/30/63 (the extant log for November 1963 ends abruptly on the morning of 11/22/63).
Records of the Dallas-based 488th Military (Strategic) Intelligence Detachment (Counter-Intelligence) unit histories and rosters 1962-1963.
Records of FBI wiretapping of Oswald while in police custody as well as post assassination taps of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine and Marina and Robert Oswald phones, as reported by Irving police chief Paul Barger.
White House Communications Agency (WHCA) records for 11/22/63 including tape of Secret Service motorcade security radio channel that included Roy Kellerman talking as the third shot was fired, and radios in LBJ's car, the AF1 cockpit and the WHCA base station at the Dallas Sheraton hotel.
Missing Mexico City records include LILYRIC (Soviet embassy photo records, Sept. '63); LIFEAT (wiretape records, for all of 1963), daily wiretap summaries for 1963, and records withheld by ARRB at request of CIA and FBI that may be released in the October 26, 2017 data dump.
Many relevant FBI 134 Informant records are missing or being withheld.
FBI dispatch tape of Dallas calls for 11/22/63 is missing.
The Harper Fragment bone found at Dealey Plaza on 11/23/63 and believed to be a bone from JFK's head disapeared.
The photographer who took autopsy photos claims to have taken photos not among those at the NARA today.
The National Photo Interpetation Center (NPIC) report on their study of the Zapruder film and Art Lundal's briefing of CIA Director John McCone is missing.
The JMWAVE NPIC records and other NPIC assassination records were, according to a NPIC secretary, boxed and at the orders of Robert Kennedy sent to the Smithsonian Institute instead of the NARA.
1 aheadyriser 2017-10-26
Excellent comment. It's important to note though that there were many imposters pretending to be Oswald before the assassination for sheep-dipping purposes. Not all documents on where Oswald was should be believed immediately.
1 bulletv1 2017-10-26
Do you have proof of this?
1 aheadyriser 2017-10-26
In JIm Garrison's On the Trail of the Assassins he details how Oswald was reportedly (according to the Warren commission and backed up by flight documents) in Russia while at the same time his name was being used at the Cuban embassy in Mexico as well as different places in New Orleans showing that someone was trying to make it look like a "Lee Oswald" (sometimes Leon Oswald) was someplace he wasn't at the time.
1 IAMN30 2017-10-26
JFK: A Murdered Conspiracy Theorist
1 Prcrstntr 2017-10-26
What a surprise, missing documents
1 AlwaysUsesAnAlt 2017-10-26
I just wanted to commend you for organizing all of these Points of Interest. It's crazy to think that it's been over fifty years and there are still people keeping up the good fight for truth. That is how you honor the memory of someone like JFK, a relentless drive for truth. I just want everyone in this thread to take a single moment to appreciate themselves for what they're doing here. A lot of researchers that have passed with time are being honored with posts like this across the internet today; it's pretty phenomenal to see this all playing out.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that when they killed JFK, they killed themselves! From that giant rose the common "conspiracy theorist" as the CIA would later seem them. These truthseekers carried the torch and illuminated the lies that dark elements sought to conceal. These individuals that used everything in their power to cover up their crimes thought that with time the story and the "theorists" would die out. Yet, here we are!! A testament to their miscalculations, to their misdeeds. The American spirit and the human drive for TRUTH has been strong enough to withstand a half century of coverups and silence; of dissent and division. Even if the files are faked, or the important bits are left out; the fact that we have all assembled here today is a beautiful thing. (And another nail in the coffin of those who would choose to see us fighting each other instead of fighting tyranny.)
So thanks everybody, it's good to see you out here today!
1 ezerak 2017-10-26
The man himself said it best:
"We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge--and more."
1 skylerjam 2017-10-26
Beautifully spoken
1 montrev 2017-10-26
name checks out
1 sper_jsh 2017-10-26
Damn, nice
1 TXROADWARRIOR 2017-10-26
JMWAVE details will be huge. Very nice comment
1 WolfofAnarchy 2017-10-26
Honestly - just want to commend you on this. Fucking amazing how detailed you are about this.
1 KennyFulgencio 2017-10-26
ew
1 ezerak 2017-10-26
None of these items other than a few of the FBI informant records that already have separate threads were in yesterday's release. Some of them are even present in the previously held documents list...
The cover-up for the Coup of '63 continues.
1 GonadusTwistus 2017-10-26
No wonder the KGB thought LBJ did it.
Amazing how so many documents and physical evidence surrounding the most defining event of our modern age has been so "mishandled" if not blatantly covered up. Anyone not familiar with the controversy only needs to look at this list, whether they understand it or not, and would come to realize that something fucky is going on.
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
Anyone got a timeline for the release of the files?
1 aheadyriser 2017-10-26
Made a post here regarding important people to look for.
1 NosyNeighbor4 2017-10-26
In the video of the shooting, why was Jackie's first reaction to reach back over the trunk and grab, what is assumed to be, brain matter or skull fragments? I always thought that was a weird action.
1 ThePhantomPain84 2017-10-26
I think she was trying to get out of the car. She was probably scared she was going to be shot next.
1 NosyNeighbor4 2017-10-26
Possibly! I watched it over and over last night. It looks like she grabs something though. Just found it an interesting reaction.
1 -p-a-b-l-o- 2017-10-26
It was brain
1 gello1313 2017-10-26
Probably shock. One time I saw a video of a girl who got half her face cut off. She was in shock and was just grabbing at the flap or her face that was just hanging off, not comprehending what was happening.
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
How did that happen so I can avoid doing it?
1 akronix10 2017-10-26
Don't be so shocked at shit I guess.
1 dogrescuersometimes 2017-10-26
I think he means the losing of the face part.
1 gello1313 2017-10-26
Lol kinda hard to avoid having your face being cut off if you're not already seeking it. Don't get in any car crashes I guess?
1 Mockstingray 2017-10-26
She was trying to grab the chunks of his brain, I took a conspiracy theory class in college and we had a guest speaker come in to talk about the JFK assassination. He was the guy in the film who jumps on the back of the car and pulls her back in. He said she was just grabbing at the chunks of brain screaming
1 dogrescuersometimes 2017-10-26
To be fair, the brain is the most important part.
1 baldeagle1776 2017-10-26
I watched a doc once that she said she was trying to get his brain chunks so no one else does and try to sell them or something
1 dogrescuersometimes 2017-10-26
That's a little bit too much cognitive processing to believe, given the shock of the moment.
1 baldeagle1776 2017-10-26
I agree
1 NosyNeighbor4 2017-10-26
For real
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
I think people are afraid to say "she was trying to escape." While this particular instance has no effect on what actually happened, it is totally plausible that she was just trying to get out of the line of fire. The woman just saw her husband get his head blown off and wanted to get out of there. When you see her reach for the agent it looks like he is telling her to remain calm and sit back down while they speed out of there. I think she later collects the pieces because it is proven that she did have some of it cuffed in her hands.
1 funnyguy135 2017-10-26
She was in shock. She just watched her husbands head get blown open right in front of her was trying to grab the piece of his skull that had flown back. Who know's what she was thinking.
1 ThePhantomPain84 2017-10-26
What time will we get the files?
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Nevermind thats from july
1 white_s2k 2017-10-26
That is from July.
1 mattymattC 2017-10-26
All I want is to see the Zapruder film, uncut.
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
Which version?
Ask Dino Brugioni
1 rbsams72888 2017-10-26
Everyone say it with me—
L I M I T E D H A N G O U T
These CIA is essentially government-sanctioned mafia. They aren’t going to drop any bombs on themselves. I assure you.
1 luckyzduckyz 2017-10-26
Serious question, wouldn't blacking out the majority of the documents just prove they're hiding something.
1 MACKSBEE 2017-10-26
Yes but I'm sure they'll just say something like "it threatens national security" or some bullshit.
1 dogrescuersometimes 2017-10-26
Yes.
1 2genders--2scoops 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Silent_Hysteria 2017-10-26
I'm going with the secret service agent behind JDKs car... George Hickey got jumpy when shooting started and accidentally let one go from his M4 right into his head. Embarrassing as hell for the agency...covered up
1 TrailBlazer31 2017-10-26
Like the M4 carbine that first started being produced in 84? Even the M16 didn’t start production until ‘64 :)
1 Silent_Hysteria 2017-10-26
Sorry. I was actually looking at some m4s before posting that. Still stuck in my mine. It was actually a Colt Ar. Thanks for the catch.
1 TrailBlazer31 2017-10-26
Np!
1 Beforeitst00late 2017-10-26
Facts and documents from the July jfk leak https://youtu.be/mPIrj8b2QWQ
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
Judyth Vary Baker, Oswald, Cancer-causing bioweapons, and the assassination of JFK:
The story of Judyth Vary Baker is about as extraordinary as they come. It starts with a book by Edward Haslam called Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics.
Haslam tells a riveting detective-like tale that spans numerous decades, resulting in the publishing of his first book on the subject, Mary, Ferrie and the Monkey Virus.
After Judyth went public in 1999, Haslam rewrote the book (as he finally had the witness for his theories that he had been lacking) and released it as Dr. Mary's Monkey.
Haslam focuses on the macabre and unsolved murder of prominent orthopedic surgeon and cancer researcher Dr. Mary Stults Sherman.
Sherman's body was discovered in 1964 in her apartment in New Orleans. However, the precise nature of her death wasn't released to the public for over 30 years.
It was prematurely concluded that the killing was the work of a "sex-crazed lesbian" who conveniently was never found. Not surprisingly, it was never released to the public that Dr. Sherman's entire arm and right side were missing, exposing her insides.
A superficial mattress fire in the apartment was blamed for her severe injuries, even though temperatures of thousands of degrees would be necessary to locally disintegrate flesh and bone while leaving the rest of her body intact.
In addition, Dr. Sherman's heart and liver were stabbed, and the heart wound was inflicted while she was still alive. Curiously, her death occurred on the same morning that the Warren Commission first began taking witness testimony.
Haslam argues that Dr. Sherman was engaged in a top secret project, ostensibly run by the well-known researcher and surgeon Alton Ochsner, and included the young Judyth Baker, David Ferrie, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Dr. Ochsner, who was fiercely anti-Communist, had ties to the CIA, FBI, and even the Mafia, and was part of the very real effort at the time to remove Castro from power, by any means necessary.
It's well known that elements of the CIA and Mafia were actively engaged in trying to kill Castro. Their main concern was that a violent death could ultimately be traced to US intelligent agencies, potentially resulting in World War III.
Eventually, a more stealthy approach was attempted: perfect a cancer-causing bio-weapon to take out Castro. Although cancer-causing viruses had been discovered a decade earlier, the idea of "inducing" cancer in an individual was still considered by most to be in the realm of science fiction.
Dr. Sherman was actively involved with this project, as well as the one of the most enigmatic figures in JFK assassination lore, David Ferrie. Ferrie is perhaps most known today as being the first suspect of Jim Garrison's infamous investigation into Kennedy's death.
Amazingly, Garrison revealed in an interview with Playboy that he suspected David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were somehow involved in a secret cancer project, however that little tidbit has largely been forgotten, and it seems even Garrison himself never realized the implications of this connection.
In addition to being a defrocked priest and a pilot for the CIA and Carlos Marcello (the Mafia king of New Orleans), Ferrie just happened to be involved with Dr. Mary Sherman, one of the most prestigious female scientists in the country.
Ferrie had allegedly developed an interest in cancer research. He filled his apartment with white mice--at one point he had almost 2000, and neighbors complained--and he wrote a medical treatise on the subject and worked with a number of New Orleans doctors on different means of inducing cancer in mice.
He also lost all of his hair, and in light of his curious hobbies, this may have been the result of his dabbling with toxic chemicals. He was found dead only days after Garrison first accused him of being connected to the JFK assassination.
Eventually the bio-weapon was more or less perfected, and it was subsequently successfully tested on (at least) one inmate at a nearby facility. The subject died in 28 days. However, it seems that their efforts were too little and too late, for the coalescence of interests that wanted to remove Castro from power had completely changed their directive and focused their sights on Kennedy instead.
According to Baker, David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were under the impression that they needed to hurry and created the weapon before their superiors got impatient and killed Kennedy instead.
Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly involved with this project, but more in the capacity of running errands and doing some of the dirty work, as he killed and dissected the cancerous tumors on the experimental mice on several occasions.
Baker, although very young, had already established herself in the field of cancer research. While still in high school, she had induced cancer in mice faster than any public research being done at the time (one week). She attracted the attention of numerous prominent people, including Dr. Oschner, and she soon found herself being trained at the prestigious Roswell Park Memorial Institute in 1961.
Baker and Oswald were hired on the same day at Standard Coffee, and then one week later they both were moved to Reilly. Their jobs at Reilly Coffee were covers for their actual activities. Baker, as the secretary, was responsible for clocking Oswald out to cover up his extended absences, and she still has numerous time cards for Lee with her initial "J" on the front.
Anna Lewis, who was married to David Lewis, another well-known figure in JFK assassination lore, is perhaps the last living person who has gone on record saying she saw Judyth and Lee together and that they were lovers. Here is a video of Anna Lewis.
As for when things went wrong, Baker claims that a letter she passionately wrote to Dr. Ochsner doomed her future career in the medical world.
She had been extremely upset when she discovered that the "volunteer" the weapon was tested on wasn't a terminally ill inmate as she had been told, but a perfectly healthy young man.
Unfortunately for Baker, the letter she wrote to Ochsner ended up in the hands of his secretary, violating the secrecy of the "Project". This infuriated Ochsner and he abruptly terminated his relationship with her.
After the project unraveled, Oswald (an intelligence asset) began to suspect he was being set up as a patsy for Kennedy's death, but that he believed himself to be part of a team that was going to try and "prevent" the assassination in Dallas.
According to Baker, Oswald stated that his presence in Dallas meant that one less bullet would be fired at Kennedy. She also claims to have met Jack Ruby, who was introduced to her as "Sparky Rubinstein" and she was unaware until decades later that Sparky was the one who killed Oswald.
Ruby and Oswald had apparently been friends for years. Oswald's mother had dated numerous Mafia men, including Carlos Marcello's personal driver, so Oswald had ties to the Mafia from a young age. She was also adamant that her son was a government agent and was framed for Kennedy's death.
It's even been alleged that Ruby himself called the police station where Oswald would be killed and warned them that an attempt would be made on his life.
Ruby's fate, however, was anything but merciful, as he died of cancer shortly after his incarceration. To make matters even more bizarre, Ruby actually claimed to have been injected with cancer while in prison!
This was during a time when such a notion was considered ludicrous by the general population, but it fits rather ominously into the narrative of Haslam and Baker.
It's possible that Ruby knew of Dr. Sherman's project, and he may have been aware of exactly how they induced the cancer: the subject would be submitted to high doses of radiation with an X-ray machine to compromise the immune system, followed by a series of painful shots.
Ruby received this X-ray treatment in jail and then was given several shots from a mysterious doctor. When Ruby's cancer was examined after his death, it was observed to be an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer.
Dr. Sherman herself likely fell victim to this conspiracy, as Haslam suggests that the secret linear particle accelerator in New Orleans that they were using to irradiate cancer cells was responsible for her extreme injuries. Something clearly went wrong while operating the machine, and she was hastily stabbed, while still alive, and her body moved to her apartment in a sloppy attempt to create a "murder" scene.
For more information on Judyth Baker and her story, she is featured in part 8 of the excellent series The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
60 Minutes was once set to release a special on Baker, but an order was given to immediately stop production on the segment and it was never completed.
According to Haslam, the frustrated 60 Minutes team told him that they had spent more time and money on the story than any in the history of the program.
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
This explanation does not make sense. Maybe they removed the evidence of induced cancer she might have had by removing half of her body.
1 ePaperWeight 2017-10-26
The President delivered!
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-10of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-11of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-12of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-13of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-14of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-15of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-16of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-17of18.ziphttps://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/2017release/jfk-july_2017_release-formerly_withheld_in_full-18of18.zip
Edit: I-9 were released in July, 10-18 are the fresh drop
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
these were all released in July. This is not the new content
1 ePaperWeight 2017-10-26
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
right, that's incorrect, this is not a "fresh drop". It's all from July
1 RunDNA 2017-10-26
Yep, you're right. All those files were there on July 27:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170727035617/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 BaccarWozat 2017-10-26
The "audio interview" is the infamous interrogation of red herring Yuriy Nosenko, who was deemed an unreliable witness to Oswald's doings in Russia. Or indeed anything.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply can not ignore about the situation. I believe that most people could understand what actually happened and how it has shaped our world today with about 10 hours of reading. The hard part is communicating what happened in a credible manner since there are so many details, but here is my best shot at it.
Forgive me if I get a few details wrong, but this should be pretty accurate.
Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's.
To really understand this, you have to go back to the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen. They were partners at the big lawfirm, Sullivan and Cromwell. Through their positions in this law firm, they came into contact with very powerful people and represented very powerful companies. Sometimes, they found that their use of international law was not enough to meet the demands of their customers and "friends".
Around 1951, Iran nationalized the oil industry there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company
) and many large firms lost access to that natural resource which made them loads of money. So, in order to regain control of those resources, an operation coming from within the CIA (Dulles was not yet director, but had been involved in the CIA for a long time recruiting German officers and others during WW2) was launched and named Operation Ajax. Kermit Roosevelt was sent into the country and provided money and other resources to people there who wished to overthrow Mossadegh (current leader). Once the situation became unstable enough, the US helped to install the Shah of Iran as their vassal dictator. This scenario has been carried out numerous times (well over 30, but the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed) and should seem familiar to you as it is basically what happened in Ukraine by funneling resources through NGOs.
This was the beginning of the CIA covert regime change operations to seize control of strategic countries to exploit for reasons of power and resources. So let's fast forward to Cuba and the Bay of Pigs. Dulles was in charge of the CIA by this point and they, along with the Joint Chiefs, were determined to take control of Cuba and not back down from Russia because there was this perception that there was a great "communist threat". Whether they actually believed that communism was an existential threat to everyone or used it as a convenient excuse to do what they wanted to (similar to the "war on terrorism" now) is up for debate.
So, in 1961, a group of rebels, trained and supplied by the US (hi ISIS) were to go into Cuba and overthrow Castro, bringing control of the island state to the US. Apparently there were notes in Dulles' archives saying essentially that once they were on the beach, this would force Kennedy to use the might of the military, especially planes, to support the rebels in Cuba. Kennedy, in fact, did not do this when he found out what was going on (the CIA did not inform him this was going to happen) and left Dulles' operation to fail and bring about his humiliation.
Another little known fact, is that we also sponsored a coup in France just a few days later which also failed, but the evidence linking it to the CIA was not as strong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961
and http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/10/20/jfk-assassination-plot-mirrored-in-1961-france-part-1/ Kennedy, who spoke with de Gaulle during this, was to have offered his military support to help him but "could not account for his own CIA" or something very similar.
Then we had the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, which was resolved by John and Bobby Kennedy using diplomatic channels and agreeing to disarm missiles in Europe if Khrushchev withdrew his missiles from Cuba. This opened up a dialog between the Kennedy administration and Russia where they began working toward peaceful solutions to their differences. You can hear this in his "Peace" speech at American University shortly before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40
Many people who follow the conspiracy believe it was his "secret society" speech that got him killed. In fact, it was his pursuit of peace through diplomacy in the face of a policy of imperialism and direct conflict.
We have all heard the quote from JFK about shattering the CIA. He actually had begun this process by aiming at a 20% reduction by 1966. https://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=JFK+CIA+staff+reduction&source=bl&ots=1iU6fXuREA&sig=94Y1SBSPaDI3-d6rJJcxgVpPLig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcvc--7LTOAhWDKGMKHYsaCF4Q6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=JFK%20CIA%20staff%20reduction&f=false
So he had already managed to destroy the career of one of the most powerful people in the world (Dulles), was getting rid of the jobs of many CIA staff who had no qualms with violence and covert operations, and was in the process of de-escalating conflicts throughout the world, thus threatening the careers and livelihoods of many people within the military industrial complex.
Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst had this to say: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/intelligent_people_know_that_the_empire_is_on_the_downhill_a_veteran_cia_agent_spills_the_goods_on_the_deep_state_and_our_foreign_policy_nightmares/
Ray McGovern has also said that James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable" basically got it right.
https://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/22/trumans-true-warning-on-the-cia/
So that's the story, sorry it is long, but there is so much to understand and if you read the books I listed above, then you will have a much better picture of our past and present.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
Great comment.
It should be noted that in addition to working with Khrushchev, it's rumored that Kennedy and the Soviet leader were discussing embarking on a joint moon mission...something that flew directly in the face of the extremely lucrative "Cold War" narrative.
1 SketchTeno 2017-10-26
That would have been such an even more amazing step for mankind. Omg.
1 major_lift 2017-10-26
Makes me sad to think about all the potential wasted on some ploy to gain power.
1 cO-necaremus 2017-10-26
why do they slow humanity so much down?
imagine where we could be now, if we had a joint space agency since then. Way less money/power would have been wasted into military (spy-)satellites and the development of new weapon technology.
all that potential... for what? "getting control"? over whom? we are humans. and the ground we stand on is a very little ball. i don't want to waste energy fighting for control. i want to jump up into the stars. ..and they keep binding my feet to the ground, fearing the lost of me. let me free, let me fly up. i'm tired of shedding the shackles. this is a fight that has no future; just an endless cycle, which has to be broken.
1 damonroe 2017-10-26
Awesome write up! Thanks
1 Mybones 2017-10-26
Thanks for this comment. What a great summary.
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
Brilliant, thanks for the schooling!
1 hamtaylor 2017-10-26
100% believe he was murdered for pursuing peace with Cuba, Russia and the world. It's a hell of a story, and a great write up.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Wouldn't doubt it would happen to someone elected today if they did it. If berne won he'd probably be dead by now
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Your assumption is that Bernie is anything more than an opportunist.
1 Hambone_Malone 2017-10-26
He's the ultimate statist. We're just not ready yet for the full throttle boot on the face yet. Give it a few years and the dystopian nightmare will begin and it will get kick started by someone with the same ideaology as your boy Bernie.
It boggles my mind that people in the Conspiracy community want to give more unchecked centralized power to the government over all sections of the economy and daily lives. I mean if you think the government is unaccountable now? And you want to give them more power?
1 AngryD09 2017-10-26
*Joe Rogan had Peter Schiff on the podcast a few weeks ago. Schiff isn't afraid to criticize everybody from the fed to Bush, Obama, Clinton and Trump, etc etc, and it all sounds pretty objective and based on real world experience. He's one of the guys who predicted the 2008 crash. He does a good job of explaining how people who follow guys like Bernie probably have good intentions but just don't really get how his plans would effect America. I'm not even close to an economist and I don't agree with him on everything, I do wish health care and education were funded as well as war is in this country and I don't understand why that is so impossible, but a lot of what he says hits the common sense portion of my brain pretty good.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I think of this type of thing as "levels of abstraction".
The first level of abstraction is money helps, so give people money and it will help people! This is where, unfortunately, most people stop thinking.
The second level of abstraction is money helps, but it disincentivizes people from being able to provide for themselves and making good decisions based on the resources available to them. This, unfortunately, is where many people stop thinking.
A third level of abstraction to this could be that giving people money helps, but it incentivizes bad decisions and allows the proliferation of people who make bad decisions or are incapable of coping with the world as it exists creating a government sponsored dysgenics program where the most fit among us are taken from in order for the least fit to procreate.
An even further level of abstraction would be to question whether it is more cruel to deny those who make bad decisions the resources that governments collect through force or to allow their destiny to serve as an example to others, thus serving as a lesson and preventing others from suffering the same fate.
It can go on and on. There are no "easy" answers to these things.
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
Bernie is marginally less corrupt than HRC. You’re living in a fantasy. Maybe those opioids are making you believe something special about that wretched man.
Bernie was 100% in it as a spoiler to keep real moderate democratic candidates at bay. The sad truth is that there are some governors that actually believe that their party isn’t just a machine and could present a real challenge to a woman who has more strokes than Woodrow Wilson.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Well done. I made a timeline from 1947 when the CIA was created by president Truman until 1968 when his brother Robert was assassinated: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/78jins/jfk_assassination_timeline_facts_with_reliable/?st=J98NTR49&sh=ad006de5https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/78jins/jfk_assassination_timeline_facts_with_reliable/?st=J98NTR49&sh=ad006de5
1 ch1ch4rito 2017-10-26
Great comment. Not sure if you read the Dulles Biography yet: the devil's chessboard. But it covers a lot of what you mentioned here. One of the most insightful and eye-opening books I've read.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I've read it. It adds quite a bit of context to the rise of the Dulles Brothers.
1 IT_ENTity 2017-10-26
saved
1 former_russian_spy 2017-10-26
I feel like a lot of the current small "conspiracies" (including some relating to Trump/Clinton) can really be traced back to the military-industrial complex. It's practically hiding in plain sight--we've been in Afghanistan for how long now? And stocks of Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, etc keep going up and up. Not to mention the existence of private mercenary contractors.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Sure. Look at the last several presidencies.
Start with Reagan and you find GHW Bush who "Couldn't recall" anything about Iran Contra.
Then you have the dickhead in chief himself, GHW Bush for 4 years.
Then you have Bill Clinton, who helped GHW Bush run drugs through Mena, Arkansas.
Then you have GW Bush who said "Don't believe those stupid conspiracies!"
Then you have Obama, who certainly appears to have strong CIA ties, some of which can be seen in his trips to Pakistan and employment at (no joke, this is the real name) Business International Corporation.
This stuff is hidden in plain sight.
1 montrev 2017-10-26
BIS, a proven CIA front company
1 ElopingLLamas 2017-10-26
Any source on that?
1 montrev 2017-10-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_International_Corporation
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
Any real source? The wiki article is more flimsy than should be posted. There is not a citation in the article.
1 montrev 2017-10-26
take the L kid
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
The L?
1 slantingline 2017-10-26
“L” meaning “loss”, as in give up the argument.
Which is completely ludicrous to respond with, considering you’re just asking for something with actual sources.
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
Oh. So this sub is about fantasy. We don’t like source documents. Cool. You want to look like a tin foil hat reptiod believing club 47 dim wit. Good job.
1 slantingline 2017-10-26
What? I like source documents—not too sure what you're getting at.
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
Then why am I needing to accept a loss for wanting source documents?
1 slantingline 2017-10-26
I don’t know; I’m not the one who told you to take an “L”, sir.
1 AppleLion 2017-10-26
I see. Apologies.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html
1 stopmakigsense 2017-10-26
Sterling Bayer Asia was also home to CIA Station Chief. Check out the President in the area and cross check that with Asia Station Chiefs.
1 Jeebus30000 2017-10-26
What do you guys do? ...ah just business here citizen, move along.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Not to be confused with international business, inc.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
I think the whole questions about Obama's birth cirtificate is that he was the child of a CIA agent and his real birth would compromise that information.
I also think we have CIA and foreign intel standing in as elected officials.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
Can you link the ties? I am not aware
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush (who was named as a conspirator in The Business Plot, which was a plan to stage a coup in the US) were friends.
It has come out that Prescott Bush's son, GHW Bush was a CIA agent well before he was named director in 1970 despite his claims that he was not.
Bill Clinton conspired with the Bushes via the CIA to run drugs through Mena, Arkansas when he was governor during Iran Contra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMktUYvC7k
GW Bush, obviously, is GHW Bush's son.
Here is an article about Obama working at Business International Corporation. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html It certainly appears he was groomed by the CIA.
1 reini_urban 2017-10-26
Why start with Reagan (ie. Bush)?
It started with Dulles already, full scale. The most prominent CIA/deep state illegalities came under him. From Iran, Indonesia, Central- and South America up to JFK. Roosevelt was apparently a problem, hence the business plot, but the late Roosevelt in exile was not a problem anymore. And subsequently they had full control over everything.
1 wigwam2323 2017-10-26
Confessions of an Economic Hitman...
1 MutaAllam 2017-10-26
Great book!
1 Eyedeafan88 2017-10-26
You can't look at Afghanistan without looking at opium and the Heroin trade. Opium production is at an all time high under the NATO occupation at the same time the US is having a heroin addiction crisis. It's not a coincidence and the CIA is deeply involved.
1 pby1000 2017-10-26
Yes, and Vietnam, too.
1 itsaname42 2017-10-26
Don't forget that right before we invaded Afghanistan the Taliban was in the process of stopping all opium production in the country; then we came in and production skyrockets.
1 ComradeWalrus 2017-10-26
Heroin goes straight into Russia and Eastern Europe
1 Nyx666 2017-10-26
Add any country with the coca plant like Cuba, or Venezuela. This was the starting era where crack/cocaine dramatically rose in popularity.
This is also the era {late 1970's} where the War on Drugs became public enemy #1. While crack/cocaine was panning out, heroin was making it's debut throughout the party scene, everywhere {1980's to now}. Its strongest appearance was in the 1990's and has grown in strength due to genetically produced opium that's being laced with heroin.
Same Shit, Different Day.
1 mikemaz9 2017-10-26
There is a God in this world: Guns, oil drugs
1 BookofHarambe 2017-10-26
Ok but can you explain to me why the CIA would have any interest at all in seeing their community members dying from heroin overdoses?
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-26
Lol
1 tabytha 2017-10-26
Well, what demographics are most likely to abuse drugs? The poor, the disabled, the gay people, and ESPECIALLY the non-white people - who are then incarcerated at inequal rates for drug use, and forced into slavery in the cradle-to-prison pipeline. It especially fits in if you look at the Russian theory about the assassination being an attempted coup by the "ultraright" - these are groups that a far-right society doesn't want. And to tie it back into the military industrial complex, it's worth mentioning that many of those groups can't or couldn't serve in a military until recently.
1 BookofHarambe 2017-10-26
Nah man white people love heroin and it’s mostly white communities affected by heroin. So your clearly ignorant
1 Eyedeafan88 2017-10-26
If your going to make an omelette you gotta break a few eggs. Besides you think the CIA cares about a couple hundred thousand drug users?
1 dylan522p 2017-10-26
You get to tax the world populace to run all your other operations and this money is all black money.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
Do you really think we are going to do anything about the heroin/opium problem or are they just bringing it up as another reason to give police military gear and justify a new "war on drugs" to control the rebeleous civilians...
1 Eyedeafan88 2017-10-26
I think the problem will receive in intensity on it's own like all drug fads do. But heroin or some form of injectable opiod will always be available on the street. I think they will use this as an excuse to further link medical records together. It's also a good way to reenergize the war on drugs which has been losing popularity for a decade. Most of that is just coincidence to the goal which was untraceable money to fund black CIA operations around the globe.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world, drugs are now your global policy now you police the world...
System of a down
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Well yeah. You know who got a majority of the contracts in iraq? Haliburton. You know who Cheney was on the board of before being vp? Haliburton.
1 Hambone_Malone 2017-10-26
Scott Horton does some good work on this sort of stuff at antiwar.com
1 TrumpBootOnTheGround 2017-10-26
just the concrete alone there was miles of big T-walls to separate the neighborhoods
1 jebba 2017-10-26
He was CEO and Chairman of Halliburton.
1 combaticus1x 2017-10-26
Like... To be fair... Who we giving it to? Schlumberger?
1 jebba 2017-10-26
IDK who Schlumberger is, but I agree, tons poured towards Halliburton in that era, and not just in Iraq.
1 combaticus1x 2017-10-26
The largest service company in the world. Scandinavian...
1 8888888888888DDDDDDD 2017-10-26
Just like lbj and bell helicopter
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Afghan - poppy - opoiods - heroin
What do you see on TV all over? Drug ads. Why?
During the political debates we see defense contractors commercials, as if I'm going to go out and buy an F-35.
It's all along the same and it's been for a while. Even Smedley Butler warned of Wall Street trying to bribe generals and military / Intel personnel to make a coup for their bucks.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
You dont have an F-35? Gotta go out and get one... Unless your waiting on the new TR3 spaceship fresh out of testing!
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
I didn't go to spacecamp for nothin'!
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
WW2 was great for America, hell why not keep the gravy train going. America, sorry Americans, is the real terrorist.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I, unfortunately, agree with you.
This may be hard for you to believe, but there are certain forces in the world that may kill people to make it seem like the leader of a country is harming his own people in order to have an excuse to depose that leader and take over the country.
Basically, it boils down to this:
The "War on Terror" was a master-stroke. Who are "terrorists"? Anyone who we say they are.
1 no1113 2017-10-26
9/11/01 is one of various perfect examples of this.
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-26
Holy shit I love this sub. Holy shit.
1 Lat_R_Alice 2017-10-26
You're preaching to the choir in this sub. We are aware of that.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
Then why do you give a shit if I say it.
1 manzoire 2017-10-26
It's all of it. Big pharma, wall st, military, pentagon etc. Our politicians are completely hijacked by these big organizations. It's the reason we can never make any progress
1 qqpeepeebuttbutt 2017-10-26
But my life is cushy, I get pizza and cool video games I'm not going to stir this hornet's nest.
/S
1 boyrune4 2017-10-26
War shaped civilization, why would we stop?
1 Binyamin- 2017-10-26
Absolutely. As Smedley Butler said it is more profitable to keep a war going for big biz than to not have one at all.
1 JoelNoel76 2017-10-26
Read the Yinon Plan bruh, might clear some things up for you
1 finerockmusic 2017-10-26
Praetorian Security provides cover for Praetorian Mining Company in Afghanistan. Company is headquartered in Vegas for tax purposes. It's a racket.
1 flizzy333 2017-10-26
Great write-up. I always thought that the Vietnam troop withdrawal was the "straw that broke Dulles' back", so to speak.
1 extremekc 2017-10-26
Here is the page that was scrubbed from wikipedia - "US Covert Involvement in Foreign Regime Changes" - it is a history of the mess made by the CIA around the world - in support large US corporations.
1 bubblesort 2017-10-26
Thanks for the link!
1 icount2tenanddrinkt 2017-10-26
im in the middle of reading Legacy of Ashes, history of the CIA, its a great book, but thanks dude, you have just covered pretty much what i was reading last week. Thanks for a great summary, happy reading through the files, im guessing you gonna be busy!
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
For the sake of making clear what I think is gonna happen, I'm going to repost this:
If people think that anything will actually be found in this file, they are fooling themselves. The point of covert actions is to keep them secret. They aren't going to release Allen Dulles' dayplanner and on November 22, 1963 it says "Assassinate the president."
1 Jukecrim7 2017-10-26
im glad i read that thick book. I accidentally discovered it awhile back when I saw staying an airbnb lol.
1 icount2tenanddrinkt 2017-10-26
its a great book, you sure that airbnb was not a CIA trap :-)
1 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-10-26
To add to the Executive Orders, look for the EO's on the subject of cooperation in space with other countries, i.e., Russia. The hard core anti-commies were very perturbed that JFK would share space research/ideas/plans/technology with any commies.
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
I think the whole commie thing was just a boogie man to make the mic more money. Same as the gwot
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-26
“But they wanted to nuke our freedom! My TV said so!”
Is basically what I get from people. Replace TV for parents/ teachers for the youngins like myself.
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
Thanks for this. Your knowledge and research is much appreciated.
You mentioned "we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power." In your opinion, would you say this trend began around the Kennedy era? Or was Kennedy simply an outlier?
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I think that this whole thing kind of started around WW1, but the complete corruption was not there yet. I take the sinking of the Lusitania as a pivotal event in history that is often glossed over and not examined closely and honestly in the textbooks.
I would say that this trend began before Kennedy, probably centering around the Dulles brothers. Allen Dulles is famous for having said that "Democracy should be left to the intelligent people."
So if I take that into account, then you have to go back to Truman, who founded the CIA (and subsequently regretted it) based on the usefulness of the OSS during WW2.
So, in summary, this trend began the ramp up of those in power who control the direction of the country before Kennedy. Kennedy was simply the complete takeover via a coup. There is literally no distinction (except for it being domestic) between what happened to JFK and all of the other leaders this group of people, most often involving the CIA, have staged coups against across the world.
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
Brilliant. This is pretty much the view I've come to as well. Although I'm sure your research has much more depth than mine. Happy to see you're seeing the same things as well.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
My biggest problem with actually understanding all of this is the question "What is it incumbent upon the virtuous to actually do about it?"
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
I thinking that's a good question even though I don't quite understand the phrasing. Can you clarify what you mean?
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Basically: If you are actually a good person, what are you going to do about it?
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
Oh I see. I was reading your first statement wrong. :)
I don't really have an answer, but to me it seems like there are many levels to all the games being played. Many areas of influence that are way beyond the "common man".
It's like being in the stands during a football game. You know who you want to win, and you can even shout out suggestions about what plays they can do. But unless you're on the team there isn't much more you can do than watch and jeer or cheer.
One thing I think a virtuous person can do is to make sure that their own choices and actions are based on rational, just, and moral principles. The masses are like cattle being told to swerve this way and that by a rancher. But if the cattle simply refuse to move in one direction, there's not much a lone rancher can do. And it's the "herd instinct" - action without thought - that actually makes them controllable at all.
1 GuitarWisdom 2017-10-26
This is also supported by the so-called Iron Mountain Report, allegedly commissioned by Kennedy to explore the possibility of moving to a peacetime government for good.
To summarize, the panel went way beyond its mission and did a thorough examination of why governments are so bloodthirsty and how they came to be this way, ultimately coming to the conclusion that governments and war are inextricably linked so that to stop making war would begin to render government unnecessary.
1 Hambone_Malone 2017-10-26
Got a link to any of this? This hits the nail on the head man. This is what it's about. Keep the population in fear and they will always rely on the government and a central authority. The state is the ultimate evil.
1 Stickmanville 2017-10-26
Lenin came to that conclusion: "So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state."
If you want to know why governments engage in imperialism, I suggest this text.
1 AngryD09 2017-10-26
Didn't Lenin turn out to be full of shit in that regard?
1 Stickmanville 2017-10-26
In what sense?
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2017-10-26
In the sense that he kidnapped and executed his political enemies, I think.
Lenin came to this conclusion, and then he decided to create the most Imperialistic government the world has ever seen.
1 Hambone_Malone 2017-10-26
I'd rather Rothbard. Lenin is a murderous shit bag.
1 gorojoe 2017-10-26
Yes links. I'm definitely interested in reading something like that
1 LukesLightSaber 2017-10-26
The reason he/she used allegedly and so-called is because it is alleged to be a satirical book written by a so-called panel ... simple Google search by title will bring up the book etc...
1 AngryD09 2017-10-26
*They keep telling us we are the best, most advanced military the world has ever seen and I believe it. But I don't see our military making much of the progress overseas that has been promised. So maybe being best isn't enough. Especially in this new era of mass communication, it's harder to maintain the narrative the U.S. is the hero. The War on Terror has already spilled out of the Middle Easy and into Europe. Been there for decades now in reality. Obviously we in the U.S. are looking at some grave concerns in this regard as well. So if Big Government is inextricably linked to War and we aren't winning overseas any more and the war has been coming to our shores in one way or another since 2001, kinda seems like if we want to reduce war, we need to reduce big government.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Here is a post I made previously about how this will all play out:
I think most people who post here would agree that we have a government whose goals is to use the populace as a cash crop and exploit them for their own personal gains. We have domestic spying, a federal reserve system of monetary slavery, and increasingly tyrannical behavior.
With that in mind, I propose that this will all end one way... with massive amounts of violence. This is the way it has always been and always will be as long as there are individuals willing to use violence to get their way.
Take for instance, this idea: Two men, Bill and Tom, have a disagreement about who owns a pencil. Bill says it is his. Tom says it is his. Tom is not willing to kill Bill over his claim to the pencil. Bill, on the other hand, is willing to kill Tom over his claim to the pencil.
If Bill is willing to kill and Tom is not, then simple logic dictates that since Tom is not willing to reciprocate the level of aggression that Bill is, then Tom will cede ownership to Bill.
This is how government treats its citizens in all instances.
Try not paying your taxes because you are against making military contractors rich.
If you claim that you are the sole owner of the fruits of your labor, then you will be killed if you resist. The same goes for every injustice that those in power force on the citizenry.
We are seeing this play out right now. Democracy is being subverted and those in power are more than happy to let people stomp their feet and protest because it will not actually change anything. They know that they have the force of violence on their side that the populace has been told on a bad thing.
Why should the government have a monopoly on violence?
No amount of hand-waving, feet stomping, and protesting will change anything. Only when enough people get angry enough to take direct action against those who use violence to control them will we ever see anything change.
They are willing to kill you to get their way. What are you willing to do?
[disclaimer] I'm not a violent guy and am only giving my opinion on how this will play out based on what has happened over and over again throughout history.
1 Jukecrim7 2017-10-26
Thanks for the book recommendation :)
1 Virtusvitium 2017-10-26
While I didn't know that much in detail, I can to a similar conclusion as you. The straw that broke the camel's back was Cuba. JFK would have literally changed the way the world ran if he had lived.
1 bp000 2017-10-26
This is partially right. You fail to link his speech on secret societies and the CIA. No one defines communism either... rather people just presume communism is Russian. It isn't. Communism was started by the Bolsheviks who were actually primarily Khazarians who converted to Judaism back in the 1400s - see Arthur Koesteler's The Thirtenth tribe. They hated Russia and their strategy is simple - take the identities of the host country and move into positions of power in the host country, take control of the media to control the narrative, and extract all of the coutnries resources through central banking and lending at high interest rates to waring governments. That's why Kennedy's dad hated the Jews. That's also why Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110. Without the silver or gold standard there is no such thing as freedom. Howard Buffett talked about this as well. Here is his article on Gold as redeemable Money https://freedom-school.com/money/human-freedom-rests-on-gold-redeemable-money.pdf Alan Greenspan also wrote about this here in his famous article Gold and Economic Freedom http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm
Really 90% of Communism comes down to implementing a Central bank -something the US has today- in order to control the money supply and thus giving the government a platform to endlessly go into debt. By doing so, it forces the Central bank to continuously print money, stealing the productive capacity of the host nation. In other words, it steals from you bank account by diluting the value of your dollars by putting more into circulation. Kennedy knew this and wanted to put a stop to it. He also knew who was behind it. How? His obsession with Hitler and World War II. Knowing what he knew, he wanted to prevent Israel...... which by the way is such an obvious genocide and was used by the Jews after World War II as their homeland ... a place they aren't actually from... to put them somewhere and to carry out their plans of a "new world order" for complete and total domination of people every where. The United States just decided, after Kennedy, they were too big of a pain in the ass to deal with and decided if you can't beat them join them.
1 peacemomma 2017-10-26
I love your assessment. Here’s something else to consider if you’re interested: https://youtu.be/5jKBlJQNtek
1 GirlNumber20 2017-10-26
I was livid when they deleted that. I thought about writing a post about it here, but it's just been all Trump cheerleading all the time, so what's the point? Someone archived the original article, though. It's here.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
The CIA went rouge. Why?
Were they acting on behalf of Wall Street investors? What would their motive be?
IMO it was Wall Street ultimately, or elements within the investment community who wanted to make a few bucks off their directed chaos along with international actors who had hands in the pot.
Either way this plays out like treason.
1 NO831 2017-10-26
Because Kennedy wanted them to be shut down.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
For good reason it seems!
1 sknolii 2017-10-26
The CIA gets the drugs and hands it over to mafia networks to sell and distribute. Both make billions.
1 8888888888888DDDDDDD 2017-10-26
The cia has always been a military arm of wall street
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Beautifully done I thought. I was in my second grade class when the nun came in and told us. They sent us home and everyone was watching the TV. We watched nonstop through Monday night. I was in church when Oswald was shot. Still mad about that. Our world really changed that weekend. By 1968, when they killed Bobby and MLK, it was different place.
You have great grasp of the subject. I agree with you completely. So annoying to see the disinformation theory’s taking up space.
1 Redferick 2017-10-26
Even shorter? He figured out who ran the world, ("hidden hand" during ww1 &2) spoke of them directly (secret societies) and decided that he didn't like who they were how they did it. CIA drug running ruining American lives, Northwoods, Paperclip, MKULTRA, etc. he knew exactly how it worked his family were insiders during the war. He decided to take them on and get rid of the secrecy and smash them into a thousand pieces. So they took him out, and the same still run the world.
1 Reapper97 2017-10-26
At some point, I just hope that we as humans, find a way to destroy the elites that rule the world and us it like it's their own playground.
1 drunken_panda 2017-10-26
There are way too few critical thinkers in this world for that to happen.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
You have simplified my own views nicely. Secret societies and the deep state depend on secrecy, anyone who legitimately threatens their secrecy and continued control will be an enemy to be destroyed...
1 SketchTeno 2017-10-26
As a younger dude, just learning the game and its recent history. This is blowing my mind and quite informative/ has put many things in a context that has eluminated me enough to ponder many things i had previously not thought~
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
For me, once I realized that people could get away with such an enormous lie and essentially brainwash an entire population into believing the lie, then I wondered what else I was being lied to about.
1 WolfofAnarchy 2017-10-26
My God - JFK was amazing. What a man. What a President.
1 pby1000 2017-10-26
Fascinating! Are you familiar with the lectures of Daniel Sheehan? He provides a lot of good information about the Dulles brothers and the Cabal. Things make a lot more sense once you see all the connections.
1 OVERGROUND7 2017-10-26
I love that your story gives a good reason for the assassination to make the US gov look like they were in the right and is then gilded twice. It was all Iran's fault.
1 ComradeWalrus 2017-10-26
About the comment about Ukraine .
It's so obvious that the US funded the maidan revolt and put anti-russian fascists in the parliament and now the US is selling weapons to Ukraine and sending NATO troops. How is this not obvious to everyone amazes me.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I agree. People want to act like this was a "peoples' revolution" in Ukraine, but it is very clearly a western coup. Especially considering Victoria Nuland's comments about who they wanted to install as the new leader that would serve their interests.
1 daver00lzd00d 2017-10-26
don't apologize for this being long! it needs to be to even basically understand lol thank you for writing this up, very nicely done. your "hi isis" part really got me thinking about it and I think you're right. keep up the good work
1 cinematicorchestra 2017-10-26
Hey there, I found what I think is an interesting Cable, sent to the CIA Mexican Station Chief, in this latest release of documents, dated 6 November 1963.
However, being only in my 30's, and not knowing much of the intricacies of the documents that a researcher such as yourself would know, I'm wondering if this cable raises the same flags for you? Do you recognise the cryptonyms used, the author of the Cable? Does it have any links to other documents you may have uncovered in your research, or read about from the research of others?
You'll find the cable here, it being found in Row 5552 of the released documents.
In this cable, a CIA man called Oliver Galbond — who, in a separate matter, apparently was the CIA man who received by mail photos of an unidentified man, allegedly Oswald, taking in Mexico City — writes to the Chief of Station in Mexico City about an unidentified 'Subject'
This subject had undertaken a two week training school called ENDOMORPH, which was a prerequisite for attending an ODENVY National Academy training course. (ODENVY being the CIA's cryptonym for the FBI).
The cable goes on to give a brief description of the Subject's character, and then suggests that a more thorough character assessment might be obtained from the FBI, that KUBARK (the CIA's cryptonym for itself) requests for such assessments from the FBI "are rare and would exhibit undue interest in Subject. Therefore, FBI comments are not being requested'
The cable ends with a paragraph suggesting that should Mexico Station like to be introduced to the Subject, then CIA Headquarters would be glad to approach the trainers at the ENDOMORPH training school for 'letters of entree to the subject'
• The cable is dated about 2 weeks prior to the assassination • Who could the Subject be? • There are no references to ENDOMORPH (that I could find, though I will keep looking) in the CIA files on the CIA website, National Archives, Mary Ferrell Foundation etc • The cable was previously released in part / released with deletions. I'll continue looking to find the originally released redacted version. • Given the cryptic references to a Subject, with no intimation this might be Oswald, how is this cable related to the JFK assassination? • Could it be inferred, from its release as part of documents relating to the assassination, and that Galbond had allegedly received photos of Oswald in Mexico City, that the Subject referred to in the cable is (or was) a person of interest in the investigation into the assassination? • Could it then be inferred that the Subject is Oswald?
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
I think that is a very fair guess. I remember reading in JFK and the Unspeakable, that Oswald had a lot of activity in Mexico City.
I guess new documents are coming out with this release of what he was doing there: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5022799/Lee-Harvey-Oswald-met-KGB-assassin-JFK-killing.html
1 Severn6 2017-10-26
Thank you very much for this.
1 tomgabriele 2017-10-26
Is any of this based on the recent releases?
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
No. All of this has been available for years. It's the old saying that if a lie is repeated enough, then it becomes the truth. Nobody ever bothers to investigate.
1 kyknoc 2017-10-26
A few things to add, the Israeli Intelligence and Israeli international crime syndicate were the driving force behind the pulling of the trigger, they did so without opposition because of the elements which you describe in detail. Kennedy blocked kissenger’s petrodollar, preferring a gdp or gold based currency, Kennedy denied Israelis attempt to build nuclear weapons. Kennedy was pro-hitler and anti-zionist, he did not curb to the israeli lobby and he was a threat to their globalization agenda.
Not months after jfk was slain did lbj permit nuclear arms for israel, and less than a decade later did nixon approve the petrodollar, two major political efforts of the zionist federation.
1 Digglord 2017-10-26
This is the real reason he was assassinated and I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find it. Now Isreal has something like 400 nukes I'd I'm not mistaken.
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-26
Executive order 11110. Never forget
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
Don't forget that we have two filmed presidential speeches one from Eisenhower & one from JFK where they actually tell the public that the government has been corrupted by unelected power.
It still drives me nuts that every American/global citizen is not aware of these speeches freely available on Youtube.
Eisenhower farewell speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBNmecVtdU
Kennedy Secret Societies speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs
1 ToddWhiskey 2017-10-26
Thank you for this comment.
1 Kosaki_MacTavish 2017-10-26
Hahaha, the 60s KKK (Kennedy (John Fitzregald), Khrushchev (Nikita Sergeyevich), and Karno (Soekarno from Indonesia)) are the only KKK i have officially approved.
What if those three survived the rough 60s, eh? Maybe Cold War will ended sooner!
1 Opi8sevol 2017-10-26
Thanks for the summary. I've been interested for 20+ years and that makes the most sense. I've heard a few people mention "jfk and the unspeakable", ill have to give it a read.
1 Agussert 2017-10-26
Yes. Nailed it.
1 letimewizard 2017-10-26
Are you a high school teacher by any chance?
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
No. R&D Scientist.
1 halfsleeve 2017-10-26
What a post. One of the best.
1 5tormwolf92 2017-10-26
Wasn't Dulles also involved in the Banana wars?
1 jimbofiggle 2017-10-26
Nothing has changed, the behavior of the powerful has never changed. Our countries government is basically a technologically advanced feudal China.
People killing and backstabbing all over the place.
Drugs, weapons, war, and lies.
Segregation, destruction of identity, and slavery.
All the same.
It’s been done for centuries
It’s ingrained into their heads
When you have that much power behavior changes.
It’s a primal fight for survival. If you don’t have the control, someone might end you and your entire legacy you worked hard to build and keep.
All selfishness, and all greed.
It’s really not that hard to see.
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2017-10-26
TLDR; The military industrial complex runs the world-surprise.
1 zh1K476tt9pq 2017-10-26
That's incorrect. JFK essentially started Vietnam. Watch the recent documentary The Vietnam War. He constantly let a situation escalate and made all kind of stupid decisions.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
That's kind of the point here. The people that manipulate things in order to make President's complicit in these actions are who he had a problem with.
He began his presidency listening to his advisors and then figured out they set him up and were self-serving. Just like they advised that the best course of action would be a coup in Cuba, which he agreed to go along with provisionally, but then they set him up so that he would be "forced" to bring in military support, thus escalating conflict with Russia.
1 AlwaysSpeakTruth 2017-10-26
Are you the original author of this post? The reason I ask is because I have encountered this exact text before. On 9/24/2016 to be precise. The reason I know the exact date is because I had saved it. I have spent a long time researching the JFK assassination and I believe you are spot on. I believe you have articulated the broad strokes really eloquently. I am curious how what you perspective is on some of the more finer points. Are you familiar with people such David Atlee Phillips, Antonio Veciana, Tosh Plumlee, David Ferrie, etc? I would be interested to get your perspective on certain things sometime.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Yes, I'm the original author. I probably posted it under another username a while ago. I'm familiar with some of what you mentioned.
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
The archives.gov site indicates they will only begin PROCESSING the records today. They are only starting to digitize items today according to the text on the website.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
WHAT?
1 tovarish22 2017-10-26
Do you think sealed records are just handed to low-wage government employees to scan into an electronic database?
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
apparently they committed to getting them ready for publication by today. They had a special team doing the work in the run up to today's release:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/processing-project#toc-the-jfk-2017-processing-team-2
1 tovarish22 2017-10-26
High-throughput scanners can scan/upload thousands of pages per hour. I don't see why it would be beyond belief that the documents were handed to an archivist today and planned to be ready today, sure.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
The JFK 2017 Processing Team
In October of 2014, after conducting an initial pre-processing evaluation of the withheld materials, the National Archives constituted a dedicated team of four (4) archivists to process withheld JFK Assassination-related records in preparation for the 2017 release of additional materials. NARA has hired three (3) additional technicians to assist with digitizing the withheld materials.
The Team is conducting archival processing on the documents to prepare the records for scanning. Agencies with equities in the withheld materials have been notified that previously withheld documents will be released in 2017 absent a successful appeal to the President. The staff is working with NARA’s Office of Innovation to determine the best way to present the documents through archives.gov when released in 2017.
Once the digital release is completed the hard copy documents will be interfiled into the five million pages of the paper Collection.
1 buttaholic 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/processing-project
This makes it sound like they started preparing and digitizing it in 2014.
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
Do you guys think that they are releasing this information now to divert our attention so that we stop asking questions about Vegas?
1 SmoovieKing 2017-10-26
These are scheduled to have been released for decades. Chill.
1 Singularity2soon 2017-10-26
Wasn't there a scene in Stone's JFK where Jim Garrison, said that he is encouraging his son to exercise and eat healthy so that he would be alive for this day? Today. I wonder if he made it.
1 SmoovieKing 2017-10-26
Wouldn't know, haven't watched it. Would you recommend it?
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
Omg hellofa movie...
1 Singularity2soon 2017-10-26
It's a good watch. About 3 hours long. It blew my socks off when I watched it as a kid. Oliver Stone takes some liberties, not meant to be a documentary. Just enjoy the ride.
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
Yes, I know that. But it is plausible that they know nothing is in this but are allowing the release now as a distraction.
1 SmoovieKing 2017-10-26
Things can happen at the same time. It's not always a distraction.
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
I also understand that.
1 MrCButler 2017-10-26
Does anyone know if the release will include the President's Daily Brieifing for the day after he was killed? On the CIA's FOIA site, the document is heavily redacted compared to others.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Can't wait to see what's in the box of miscellaneous CIA files with George H.W. Bush written on the side.
1 johna29 2017-10-26
Hey guys!
I made a sub for all who are going to spend their weekend going through the files check us out at r/JFKFiles.
1 mrstinkyfingers 2017-10-26
Never trust a guy named John. You're probably a CIA shill just trying to cover it all up.
1 BaccarWozat 2017-10-26
Everything I have heard over the last 20+ years has given me enough evidence that I have a theory I believe, but can not prove. (Bit long, sorry about that.)
Oswald got back from Russia after infiltrating it. I believe he gave information about the U2 spy plane program, which led to Francis Gary Powers's plane being shot down. This makes Oswald look like a double agent, but there may have been a reason for that. (Maybe the CIA had spy satellites by this time?)
When he got back, he seems to have been contacted by the FBI and hired to infiltrate a CIA-Mafia program to kill Castro and report back to them.
Once he joined them there were strange goings on. Besides the whole Fair Play for Cuba Committee thing, there was cancer research being done. Dr. Mary (Sherman), Dr. Vary (Judyth Vary Baker) and Dr. (David) Ferrie (as they called themselves) were at work trying to find a way to inject cancer cells into Castro. When that research proved rather slow, they tried to find a virus that could attack the immune system.
It has to be pointed out that Dr. Ferrie was gay, and the first cases of AIDS were alleged to have started in similar lab conditions where gay men had sex with monkeys infected with the virus. Ferrie also worked with monkeys and was part of the gay underground. One can speculate about the origin of AIDS, but I don't believe it happened here.
Eventually they isolated a powerful virus, and could store it in a thermos safely for something like 48 hours before it became ineffective. The idea was for Oswald (who became Dr. Baker's boyfriend) to go to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico and meet with one of Castro's doctors, hand over the thermos and they would get it back to Cuba and into Castro somehow.
However, a hurricane struck Cuba and Oswald was left standing around the embassy while all doctors were forced to stay in Cuba and help out. He left the thermos behind and reported the mission failed.
After that, the deadline the mob gave for killing Castro came and went, and they turned their efforts to killing JFK, seen as lenient after making promises following the Bay of Pigs. Though the CIA, mob and ex-Cubans had different reasons to hate Castro, they were also in collusion on JFK so the project continued.
Oswald reported to the FBI and was told to try to prevent the assassination where possible. Once it became obvious where the assassination was going to take place (there was an aborted attempt in Florida), he moved to Dallas.
An unknown number of hit teams went there to carry it out. One team seems to have included Lucien Sarti, who worked in the Sicilian Connection. Another team was Charles Nicoletti, Johnny Roselli and James Files who worked for Sam Giancana of Chicago. A third team worked for Santos Trafficante.
I forgot which FBI or CIA agent(s) arrived on the morning of November 22nd to call off the assassination, but he/they only seem to have succeeded in turning away the team with Sarti. At least two teams fired at JFK, one from the Dal-Tex building, and Files was behind the grassy knoll and fired the final headshot.
Oswald seems to have been the closest available patsy, as right after the assassination the hit teams left town and there were few people left who were local. The FBI (and specifically Hoover) must have thought it too embarrassing to reveal they had hired Oswald, so Hoover simply had a dossier made up (possibly even before the event) which showed Oswald's connections with Russia. They lost the other records, which won't be found in any new document releases.
Later on Jack Ruby (who was in the program somewhere) killed Oswald because Oswald was not being cooperative and was threatening to blow the whistle on the whole program. As he simmered in a jail cell, Ruby claimed he was injected with cancer cells which were killing him, because HE was almost about to talk.
This is what I believe.
There's also the involvement of the oil men and the military-industrial complex, deMohrenschildt, and Operation Mongoose and many other things, but these aren't as directly connected to the assassination.
1 TheGreatestBandini 2017-10-26
What is happening? the site has stuff labeled july, but the blog says that those are the docs?
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
There is no good reason to label files july, that have been due in Oct 2017 since bush.
1 TheGreatestBandini 2017-10-26
Its to confuse us. Some of us will look, and keep waiting
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
This is a Wayback Machine copy of the page from August. It's identical to the current one. Nothing has changed since August 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170804143132/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
This is a Wayback Machine copy of the page from August. It's identical to the current one. Nothing has changed since August 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170804143132/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Frogreddit 2017-10-26
So what time will these be released? Is there anything happening with it or will they just be uploaded?
1 icykronik 2017-10-26
It's been released.
1 BadgerGecko 2017-10-26
Where?
Please don't link to July documents
1 icykronik 2017-10-26
Oops yeah I guess not
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
No, not yet. they are from July.
This is a Wayback Machine copy of the page from August. It's identical to the current one. Nothing has changed since August 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170804143132/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 icykronik 2017-10-26
Fuck
1 williammcfadden 2017-10-26
Well, I may as well place this here since this is the JFK megathread and we're waiting. The three tramps in the well-known photo were never booked and released after an hour. The identities of 3 other hobos that have been stuffed down our throats for 25 years were booked, fingerprinted, and held in the jail for a week.
Back in the day when City of Dallas released their documents of the event, I remember reading a long transcript of an interview with arresting officer Marvin Wise, who described in detail the arrest. He found these three guys, then later was instructed to drive them to another location, then back again to the sheriff office. He was very intent on getting credit for the arrests, and found out after an hour or two they were released and never arrested or booked -- he was irate at not getting the credit.
I remember the long transcript interview with the FBI agent ended with him asking the assistant if he would get credit for the arrest and he was told no, they were already released.
Now all that exists is a summary or articles about his interview, without the dialog transcript.
Anyhow, not sure why the official narrative is pushing so hard that the three guys spotted running to the freight train after the shooting were the three other homeless guys.
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
The National Archives website has the list of docs in parts. Under those are excel spread sheets that you can download and use to see what is in each part. Could be useful for anyone who wants to know what date and description of what they viewing/ listening to.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Still July releases at the mo.
1 squirtlekid 2017-10-26
Voat has the drop
you can find the new goods here https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2210674
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
No, they don't. They are all the July releases. They are already on the website and have been available for months.
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
I think they did this on purpose to confuse people. They as in whoever dropped these. It is misleading as they ALL say July but if you look at description it either says, "July 2017 Release - Formerly Released in Part - Part 4 of 4" or "July 2017 Release - Formerly Withheld in Full - Part 1 of 18".
So for whatever reason they labeled them July but they are indeed unseen docs.
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
These docs were never slated for a July release. They were scheduled for October from the bush era...
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
Then why label July?
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
This is a wayback machine capture of the same page in August 2017. All 18 parts are there in August. https://web.archive.org/web/20170804143132/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
that's from July. Voat is truly retarded.
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
People they have not dropped yet. The ones being pushed right now actually are form July.
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2017/nr17-68
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Exactly. This is a Wayback Machine copy of the page from August. It's identical to the current one. Nothing has changed since August 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170804143132/https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
They're out now!
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Let’s get digging!
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
They're out now!
1 citygirl44 2017-10-26
From July? Why haven’t I heard they released files in July? It’s all over the news right now. I’m surprised I didn’t know they had already done this. Was it not publicized?
1 NotCIAMaybeNSA 2017-10-26
This is where you can view the files:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
Eventually maybe.
1 MACKSBEE 2017-10-26
This is your first ever Reddit comment
1 ThePhantomPain84 2017-10-26
Shill account! Keep an eye on it.
1 BadgerGecko 2017-10-26
Still july's release
1 RJP4420 2017-10-26
I’m now getting errors while trying to search the database.
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
hmmm, lots of unreadable pages, like someone didn't bother to scan them properly or they look like they've been interpolated a bunch of times : (
1 G_Wash1776 2017-10-26
The files haven't been released yet.
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release What is this then?
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
The file titles literally have July 2017 in them. That's when they were released.
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
Sorry, I've looked through the comments on here, I'm getting that, I was just following a link from a guardian article I read shortly before, bascially saying, " We’d like your help. The JFK files will be published online on Thursday here. If you’re reading through the documents and you spot an interesting fact or snippet you think we’ve missed, it would be great if you could let us know. We’ve set up a form here for contributions." ..... So I had a look. Don't mind me then,.
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
Yeah, the dumbasses should put a note saying they haven't been released yet. No worries - you aren't the only one. Lots of confusion.
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
Well, thank you for pointing it out to me, I've had a frustrating hour looking at stuff going, this really isn't anything... Very interested to have a nose when they do, I'll keep waiting : )
1 GadsdenPatriot1776 2017-10-26
No problem. Been slamming that F5 key as well
1 G_Wash1776 2017-10-26
It's from July of this year.
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
It's okay, I know.
1 funnyguy135 2017-10-26
Link to all released documents and files:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
still from July.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
Despite some confusion, the documents have yet to be released to the public.
Apparently this process may take some time.
For now, enjoy this juicy megathread!
1 Balthanos 2017-10-26
I was really hoping to log in and read a well assembled summary. :(
1 THE_LURKER__ 2017-10-26
Its called the Warren Report.
1 PorschephileGT3 2017-10-26
Found the shill 😂
1 Chokaholic 2017-10-26
Right at the top of the comments too, which is where they usually hang out 😂
1 THE_LURKER__ 2017-10-26
Guess I should have added a /s maybe? There should be a subreddit just for shills to go shill in.
1 montrev 2017-10-26
THEY HAVE FREE REIGN OVER EVERY SUBREDDIT
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-26
Removed. Rule 6.
1 PorschephileGT3 2017-10-26
I think these days it's known as r/WorldNews
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
/r/antivax ?
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-26
Removed. Rule 10.
1 __G_A_R_D_E_N_E_R__ 2017-10-26
Warren Commission, and this is night of the long knives for people like you.
:-D
1 vivek31 2017-10-26
Lol Funny.
1 CapitalisticCorgi 2017-10-26
Booooo that man
1 montrev 2017-10-26
lol
1 THE_LURKER__ 2017-10-26
Sometimes a joke falls flat, my previous comment fell back... and to the left.
1 UhhImJef 2017-10-26
Same. I've been popping to the sub ever few hours as of midnight to see if anything has dropped.
1 modsRSnowflakes 2017-10-26
You two r/conspiracy Mods need a room!
1 momo158 2017-10-26
What about this?
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 givemefreebeer 2017-10-26
It's says July dumbass...
1 IT_ENTity 2017-10-26
I'm trying to locate the website where the files will be located. Do we have that info yet?
1 slaterous 2017-10-26
I think here
https://vault.fbi.gov/recently-added
1 tatadoo 2017-10-26
Actually, it will be released here:
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
When it is released it will be at the very bottom of the page under the July 2017 releases.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Been released!
1 montrev 2017-10-26
pretty sure this ain't july
1 tatadoo 2017-10-26
No sheet Sherlock.
1 montrev 2017-10-26
ya got me
1 __G_A_R_D_E_N_E_R__ 2017-10-26
Watson?
1 Sludgy_Veins 2017-10-26
which is why it will be under the releases from july you schmuck
1 ravonaf 2017-10-26
They have assured us that within another 25 years everything will be online and ready for public viewing. /s
1 WWEtrump 2017-10-26
What is this? https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 gun_totin 2017-10-26
yea...that looks like it might be them
1 tatadoo 2017-10-26
Those are releases from July 2017. The newest releases will be underneath the July releases.
1 gun_totin 2017-10-26
ah shit. yea youre right
1 reb1995 2017-10-26
Documents are release now it appears. These are links that download the zip files. Around 20GB of stuff in all these files.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
National Archive I believe has released them?
1 __G_A_R_D_E_N_E_R__ 2017-10-26
Oh— FOIA takes the teeth out of the Government in the Sunshine act of 1976?
How about this swamp dries a little in the sun?
1 jediintraining_ 2017-10-26
https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2210674
1 Speck_A 2017-10-26
Pretty sure they're live now
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-10-26
Hey a_p do you mind putting mentionable finds in this comment that are verified?
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
sounds great!
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-10-26
Thanks brother
1 Sarcasticus 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Knighthonor 2017-10-26
Thanks for clearing this up
1 modsRSnowflakes 2017-10-26
Premature ejaculation
Trump Holding Back Some JFK Files, Releasing Others
1 LURKS0HARDRIGHTN0W 2017-10-26
My coworker told me the three letter agencies haven’t provided trump with everything he has to sign and are slowing down the process.
Side note: I’ve been at work all day and in the dark and reeeeaaally hoped this thread would have something substantiated from the release.
1 DarwinianMonkey 2017-10-26
“There’s some incriminating stuff in here, really damaging to a lot of high ranking people, top people. I’m putting together a team so we can present the new information to you properly. I’ve got the best people working on it but it will take some time. These documents are not easy to read, so I will get it ready for you but it will take a little time, it’s a lot to process. I think sometime during my second term, it will really go down in history as spectacular, they’ll remember it as the time when I show the world and they really find out exactly what happened that day”
1 fradas6482 2017-10-26
Ahahah so funny man
1 afidak 2017-10-26
Can we get a new fresh mega thread? These comments are impossible to go through being 20 hours old.
1 Lorenzen43 2017-10-26
Do we really expect a bombshell out of these documents though?
1 reb1995 2017-10-26
Direct download links for anyone not wanting to give their email to the government.
1 Silentbtdeadly 2017-10-26
Isn't the point of a megathread to have people post here, to keep the sub from being spammed to oblivion with hundreds of posts about this?
Maybe people would be more willing to post in the megathread if a new one was made daily, with links to previous megathreads?
I think having people comment in the megathread is more likely to get their views seen, rather than the entire sub having to sift through posts about it.
I'm not against high effort posts, but most really could (and in my opinion should) have been posted here instead.
1 NameSanitized 2017-10-26
R6!!!!!!! All caps and bold.
Oh the mods can break rules!
1 NoBreaks2016 2017-10-26
Where are the new docs? Trump said he released them. I'd like to view them now. Where are they?
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Well... at least whilst looking for the new JFK stuff I came across the State Dept.'s rules for hunting Yeti/Bigfoots in Nepal.
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/24194175
1 WooTs_67 2017-10-26
"Must not be shot or killed unless its self defence"
1 jhra 2017-10-26
IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!
1 ogrelin 2017-10-26
But, he’s friendly!
1 DocVierdeManhattan 2017-10-26
Quick ned! Thin out their numbers!
1 Sexy_Vampire 2017-10-26
Strictly, speaking, only if I was put in a self-defense situation by the yeti
1 farstriderr 2017-10-26
Wat.
1 deytookerjaabs 2017-10-26
Normal stuff, they have protocol for investigating damn near everything. Goes far beyond this stuff, there's even defense plans for things like War with Canada and likely War with Alien Beings.
1 illithid_business 2017-10-26
And zombies, there's an official plan for dealing with zombies.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/13/exclusive-the-pentagon-has-a-plan-to-stop-the-zombie-apocalypse-seriously/
1 mem_malthus 2017-10-26
It's more about "How to deal with civil uprisings at the homefront". It has always been a good idea to dehumanize your enemies so that your followers are easier to be convinced to fight them.
1 loli_esports 2017-10-26
Can i get a link for the aliums war
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
I don't think the state department can tell me how to hunt in a foreign country
1 kevan 2017-10-26
They aren't. You will note all three rules have something the govrnment of Nepal wants. Also, this document comes from the embassy in Nepal, to the State Dept.
If you were to try and go hunt the Yeti in 1960, Nepal would have made you follow these rules as well.
1 mastigia 2017-10-26
Love it
1 expletivdeleted 2017-10-26
this needs to be crossposted everywhere.
1 zombieboss567 2017-10-26
So are yetis real?
1 KeithCarter4897 2017-10-26
Cultures that would have never communicated (Tibetans and native Americans, specifically) had stories about them, describing near identical creatures. I would place money on them having existed at some point.
1 Jackelrush 2017-10-26
The problem there is we can't say the natives and Tibetans didn't share a similar culture before the crossing. So if they did it wouldn't be surprising to see similar story's from both sides
1 YoungRichKid 2017-10-26
Yeah, I think the Bering Sea Strait may be to blame for this, unfortunately.
1 justforthissubred 2017-10-26
or convergent evolution of mythologies
1 tabytha 2017-10-26
I wouldn't say "unfortunately", because I think this opens up even more interesting questions.
The same genetic markers are found in these groups, sure. And some burial rites were definitely carried over through East Asia and into the Americas. It's basically a given that people migrated that direction, by land (at least, and also possibly by boat at a later date.)
And the Americas don't have any native apes. But they didn't always have native humans, either. Who's to say that humans are the only hominid that could have crossed the strait? Neanderthals were around much more recently than people think, and other species of human were all over Asia. In fact, we only know about a few other human species due to their DNA surviving in modern humans - in this conversation, the most relevant example being people of far east Asian heritage. There are two entire species that we only know about because of their genetic remnant, and there are probably more that weren't quite so early-modern-human-like. Other hominids were far more prevalent than most people realize, probably because it's uncomfortable to think about the fact that we f$%&* and murdered other human species to death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm very passionate about biological anthropology. There's so much left to be discovered!
1 Waterbranch 2017-10-26
Test
1 Waterbranch 2017-10-26
My theory on Bigfoot, Yeti and the like, is that sometimes creatures from parallel realities are seen briefly as their dimension “bleeds” into ours. Hence why there are never any remains found.
1 yodaballs 2017-10-26
Chiye Tanka is very real,lol.
1 ferderrer 2017-10-26
Seems to me like the nepal government is just fishing for 5000 ruppie donations from suckers.
1 McPeePants34 2017-10-26
No, this is a document outlining rules for expeditions to search for the Yeti in Nepal. It says nothing about them finding anything.
1 Unholy_VI 2017-10-26
they live in the grassy knoll.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
Real and not real... Reality is not what you understand it to be, we think we know how everything works but we might as well be stuck believing the sun goes around the earth.
Interdimensional. No way they would have to cover up a semi-intelligent ape man just for religeous nuts, the truth must be a worldview shattering type of thinking.
1 zombieboss567 2017-10-26
Also "if captured alive the yeti must be brought to the Nepal government as early as possible"
1 demx9 2017-10-26
hmm
1 get_down_to_it 2017-10-26
This is cooler than anything I've seen in the JFK papers so far.
1 sniperhare 2017-10-26
They probably have rules for everything in case it happens to be real. Rules for what to do if they see a fairy, a werewolf, etc.
Doubt it means that they exist.
1 illeatyourheartout 2017-10-26
Shun the non believerrrrr
1 KandyKush 2017-10-26
SHUNNNNN
1 Mybones 2017-10-26
Why the fuck are so many people linking to the july releases over and over??
1 str8uphemi 2017-10-26
I've had a hard on all week waiting for these files, and here I sit with blue balls :-(
1 universalslab 2017-10-26
Comment of the day.
1 isaacfan925 2017-10-26
Please edit the thread title to include (July 2017 files not the new ones)
1 mrstinkyfingers 2017-10-26
You can't edit thread titles.
1 mbyrne628 2017-10-26
Getting lots of mixed results...so they haven't dropped yet???
1 drumminger 2017-10-26
Not yet.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
"Old Wine in New Bottles" is a pretty good read...
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7564843
Blames the intelligence agencies... working on behalf of the military industrial complex.
1 moochee22 2017-10-26
Why does anyone think that the records will be available, online, today. Weren't they just "released" to the public? Don't they have to scan them?
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Supposedly they started that in 2014
1 VanWesley 2017-10-26
That's a long time. Is it just one person with a scanner from 2005?
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Im not sure. Someone posted a link about it here somewhere in the comments
1 Member-Chewbacca 2017-10-26
Spoiler alert: it was ME!
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
It appears they have been released?
National Archive?
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
Released July 24th you muppet.
1 5yearsinthefuture 2017-10-26
JFK was assassinated soon after the south Vietnamese puppet president and his officers were assassinated.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Here it is!!
Pretty daunting!!
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
Released July 24th you muppet.
1 Zane_888 2017-10-26
Barry Seal.
1 fiji1221 2017-10-26
So is this happening or not?
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
website still says stay tuned. page has not updated yet today and latest news is from July.
1 IPeeInTheShower2 2017-10-26
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jfk-assassination-files/release-jfk-assassination-file-delayed-deadline-looms-n814691
1 dabulls113 2017-10-26
The files will be released Friday, they always plan big releases on Friday as it won't get reported on because it's Friday's are "slow news" days
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
As I understand it they are legally obligated to make them available today.
1 G_Wash1776 2017-10-26
They are, according to the 1992 JFK Assassination Records Act.
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
what happens if they don't?
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
Theoretically all the documents are released. It isn’t a situation where the release is conditionally approved, it’s where the retention of any documents must be actively requested and approved.
1 UtopiaFrenzy 2017-10-26
I'm sure they'll come out today, albeit probably at the last hour of the night.
1 MrGreggle 2017-10-26
Arrest anybody that delays them. They're breaking the law!
1 HamstersAreReal 2017-10-26
quit shilling. They were supposed to be released today. Who knows what they're fucking with when we get a delay!
1 Homely_Corsican 2017-10-26
Honestly, the more I learn about the CIA, the more I doubt they'd be able to pull this off and suppress its involvement all this time. They probably would have botched the operation to begin with. The agency was a mess of under Ike and JFK.
1 Kcarp6380 2017-10-26
But they haven’t suppressed their involvement. Just because the general population may not believe that a government agency was involved doesn’t mean its concealed.
That’s like saying because there hasn’t been an official declaration that the government was involved in 9/11 they have suppressed their involvement.
People know the truth even though they haven’t admitted it.
1 openurfuckingeyes 2017-10-26
What if the actual killer was diabetes
1 William_H_Bonney93 2017-10-26
Diabetus
1 sper_jsh 2017-10-26
Surprise! Nothing
1 farstriderr 2017-10-26
Probably wait till 11:59:59, gnoamsayin'?
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
What is taking so long? They've had decades to be ready for today.
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
one doesn't simply leave an opportunity to embarrass the president on the table.
1 Haterade_1010 2017-10-26
I'm going with Jack Allen Lawrence, with the rifle, from the sewage drain. Game over.
1 donkeysjulienne 2017-10-26
Secret Service, the driver, via a shaped charge mounted in the back of Connally's seat.
1 ArjenRobbenVanPersie 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release Here it is
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
no. they are from July. Not new.
1 ThePhantomPain84 2017-10-26
They are old!
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
What are we actually expecting to see with these documents?
1 wipeout4wh 2017-10-26
Hopefully we find out that [REDACTED] actually [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] the [REDACTED].
1 Oigm 2017-10-26
The files got delayed until tomorrow. I bet they’re making some last minute changes to what’s actually going to be released.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
Pretty sure Trump has to agree with these changes, from what I read there’s some disorganisation with submission of the documents which is causing the delay.
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
That’s BS, the CIA has 25 years notice on this. If I were Trump I’d be like “suck it” and release the whole thing today. It’s unacceptable to pull crap like this. Actually I’m going to write the CIA an upset letter.
1 PizzaPartyP0desta 2017-10-26
Twist. They tried to release the documents all blacked out and redacted, but Trump wants to release full docs.
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Shit dude. I just called my CIA buddy and told him about your letter. He sounded fuckin worried. You got em right where you want em
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
It’s more about them being dicks. Also I loled when I found out the CIA has a customer service number.
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
The shit is out. Hope you're happy you dumb fuck
1 swskeptic 2017-10-26
Source for this?
1 Oigm 2017-10-26
Julian Assange's twitter. Not sure how accurate he is to be fair.
1 RnBmobile 2017-10-26
Assange is accurate, just make sure it's his real account.
1 angstybagels 2017-10-26
Obviously wasn't accurate about the delay ;)
1 RnBmobile 2017-10-26
The agencies did try and delay it.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
NBC news also released an article an hour ago (would link but my phone seems to be bugged).
I’m not too sure how reliable it is though as I’m not American so feel free to correct me.
1 IPeeInTheShower2 2017-10-26
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jfk-assassination-files/release-jfk-assassination-file-delayed-deadline-looms-n814691
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
No where does any report state it was delayed until tomorrow. Ive seen delayed but no one is saying any specific time table. Notice how much attention this is getting Nationally? They don't want that. They'll wait till the brain dead find the next big story and release them when no one gives a shit anymore. That way if something is found, no one will even care anymore. It's so obvious they are hiding something.
1 universalslab 2017-10-26
Final order has not arrived from Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jfk-assassination-files/release-jfk-assassination-file-delayed-deadline-looms-n814691
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
Exactly, if I were him I’d just say “tough shit” and not say anything. They had plenty of time.
1 universalslab 2017-10-26
http://jfkfacts.org/top-6-jfk-files-the-cia-still-keeps-secret/
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
The “2017 additional documents release” download page was just updated, does anyone know what they changed?
1 devopdev 2017-10-26
Line 626 is commented out. The HTML points to a press release.It may have been there before, but looks "fishy", wayback machine from 4th of August does not have those lines.
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
Thank you, I’ve been using that indicator as a quick check to see if anything has happened. Frustrating that people are gumming up the release because they can’t do paperwork.
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
Just looked it over, it specifies the number of documents to be released: 2,895
If the final release is less than that we’ll know how much they hid!
1 wile_e_chicken 2017-10-26
From the recent "WH Anon" thread: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/146633396#p146633396
This is the most relevant info I saw -- of course it could all be a LARP:
and
1 KeithCarter4897 2017-10-26
I'm actually starting to believe the israel thing (and I'm a pretty lukewarm supporter of israel, not an antisemite.)
JFK said no to their nuclear program. We've all seen how israel deals with being told no (they do it anyways)
There are socalists all over this shooting, from one end to the other, and Israel is one of our only longtime socalist allies.
They were the only ones I can find who stood to benefit from JFK's death, getting LBJ into office who wouldn't care if Israel had nukes.
And who else would the CIA be covering for 54 years later if not our biggest Ally in the middle East?
1 GonadusTwistus 2017-10-26
In light of the fragments I've seen from this official release, I'm inclined to agree that this is the only thread of reasoning that makes sense of it all.
1 redsoxfan95 2017-10-26
Did anyone else think the files were coming out tomorrow? I thought it was weird hearing that the files were coming out today. I swear remembering the 27th as the day.
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
Nope. They were always set for today.
1 HamstersAreReal 2017-10-26
No. It was the 26th of October.
1 ErisianClaw 2017-10-26
Probably habit..,information meant to be buried is usually released on a Friday.
1 Mark_Ion 2017-10-26
You gotta believe that THEY are shaking him the fuck down right now. Probably gave him a few "what could happen if you released this" scenarios, and most likely telling Teump which ones he has to keep blocked.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
I doubt Trump cares what can happen, especially if he can make drama out of it.
The whole delay seems to be more with the fact that they’re not organised with the documents than anything else.
1 juve27 2017-10-26
Clinton shadow government taking the reins?
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
cnas.org/people
They are all right there with James Mattis as a former director. and now Clinton's shadow government is in charge of the military, while the REEEEEing Kekistanis were foaming at the mouth with joy for their "Mad Dog".
Trump's 1st appointee. Full bipartisan support from "The Resistance"
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Considering they hold the power over his billions I don't know why you think he couldn't be easily persuaded. You people act like he's independent. He has tons of close ties with politicians including having the Clinton at his wedding. He's nearly entirely debt owned by big banks. Gtfo
1 PoliticalStooge137 2017-10-26
Quit making excuses for Trump. He just proved he's part of the deep state. He doesn't make decisions based on what the FBI wants. He's proven that many times over.
1 obie_kenobi 2017-10-26
Just wait until the docs mysteriously disappear by then
1 amaleigh13 2017-10-26
2800 file to be released today. Delay until April 2018 for some of them.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
And yet they aren't out yet...
1 twinkiac 2017-10-26
@PeterAlexander's latest tweet
@PeterAlexander on Twitter
I am a bot | feedback
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
Total shitshow again.
1 juve27 2017-10-26
B-b-b-b-b-but I was told that Trump! would not! be scared of the ((((deep state)))) and say fuck it and release all records unredacted! as he is a man of the people! This has Clinton's dirty paws written all over it!
1 Jabroni77 2017-10-26
It’s happening!!!! HahahahahhahahahHaha
1 yeahbuddy 2017-10-26
They are held back. The CIA and FBI complained to Trump...
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
And he folded.
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
Just read this, I imagine the 200 are the ones WE WANT... "White House just gave a background briefing to say it is releasing 2,800 documents tonight. The remainder are being withheld at the request of the various departments and agencies - most importantly the CIA and FBI."
1 TRAIN_WRECK_0 2017-10-26
link to the statement?
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
By now you can see that everywhere, you still want it?
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Yeah, those 200 will be redacted to shit or will accidentally fall into a shredder.
1 yeahbuddy 2017-10-26
They are held back. The CIA and FBI complained to Trump...
Edit, now I see some will be held back. In other words, the 2,800 released today are going to be useless drivel.
Nice, right? Deep State back at it again with the shadiness. We get it, Oswald was a CIA agent and the FBI/CIA were involved with the hit. Nobody will be surprised. I don't think we will ever see the "other records." If they do ever release them, they will be redacted all to hell and useless.
Whatever. Now, what happened in Vegas again?
1 juve27 2017-10-26
Clinton/Obummer shadow government taking the reins once again? Absolutely unbelievable they are disrespting MY president!
1 G_Wash1776 2017-10-26
You see things a way too much left and right mindset, there is only one shadow government.
1 Umbreomnom 2017-10-26
Too bad YOUR president caved. At the end of the day he had the last word. Sad!
1 juve27 2017-10-26
It's crazy how we've become a living embodiment of Poe's law. The fact that people think I'm serious is fucking hilarious
1 Umbreomnom 2017-10-26
Lol you gotta through a /s at the end man, hard to tell tone from words on a screen.
1 juve27 2017-10-26
Yep, no amount of sarcasm is enough in these times to not need a /s
1 Umbreomnom 2017-10-26
Sure, whatever...
1 DEEP_SEA_MAX 2017-10-26
Man those Democrats are sneaky. Able to run a shadow government, trick people into terrorist attacks, have child orgies in pizza parlors, fund ISIS, and hire armies of protestors . Yet unable to win elections, that they're undermining, resulting them in being the minority party in all three branches and most state governments.
1 Mininni 2017-10-26
Trump just caved, that's all.
I wish we coulda got them. The fact they're being pushed back makes me want them more.
1 TrumpVsHillary2020 2017-10-26
Pisses me off. We better have all redacted files by April 2018.
I can't think of one good reason to redact ANYTHING. But maybe someone's last name. Maybe.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
I wonder if the documents are truly that important or if they just want more speculation.
Sad to see Trump caved though, out of all the presidents we have seen I feel like he is the only one that would go “fuck it”
1 LiterallyASupernova 2017-10-26
Why? Why do people think a billionaire with deep ties to establishment politicians and the big banks would be any different? Come the fuck on
1 jms0315 2017-10-26
Because he has the temper of an 8 year old
1 pear1jamten 2017-10-26
8 year old's often say "fuck it" in many various ways and actions.
1 I_done_a_plop-plop 2017-10-26
He's all talk, always has been.
1 Oh_its_that_asshole 2017-10-26
Seriously though, what would be the reason to hold them back after all this time if there isn't something juicy in there implicating those agencies?
1 Oigm 2017-10-26
Trump blocked the release of some of the files. What a coward.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-26
Apparently he had "no choice" due to "national security concerns"
Wonder what could be a threat to national security after half a century
1 obie_kenobi 2017-10-26
I guess whatever was contained in those files would further deepen the distrust for three letter organizations
1 Glader_BoomaNation 2017-10-26
The fact that the CIA has, and probably still has, several assets in foreign states both enemy and ally in elected or appointed positions of government? The U.S. was probably involved in a vicious campaign of espionage against even ally nations during the investigation, tapping all possible assets. This is the assassination of the U.S. president after all, not just some smuck gunned down in Chicago.
If you know who the CIA had controlled in your country's government decades ago you could potentially narrow down and find out someone who may be there today, as a result of that previous person's help.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Come on. Any other prez would have just blocked it outright.
1 d121212 2017-10-26
How frustrating.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
how fucking illegal. People should be furious. There is clearly something to hide here. If there was nothing to worry about, why not release them now, 25 years later, as promised.
1 woostar64 2017-10-26
Lol jesus christ dude
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
I may need decaf
1 dave866 2017-10-26
At any point during the last 25 years you could have just asked me, and I would've been happy to tell you, don't get all excited, nothing, and I mean nothing, of any relevance will EVER be officially released, regardless of any laws, deadlines, or statements to the contrary.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
FBI CIA had 25 fucking years to prepare for this and they bleated and Trump folded. Bet he got them to do him a favour in exchange for giving them 6 months more to redact/shred/lose the important papers. Remember these are the PEOPLE'S papers and the people seeking a delay are trying to evade justice. I expected more of Trump.
1 dave866 2017-10-26
I know what you mean. It helps to remember only in the movies can one man defeat the evil empire and save the world.
1 Hans-Clopek 2017-10-26
It should be a FOIA request. If so, then it will take the time I stated earlier. If they are releasing another way then I’m not familiar with those procedures. I hope they are available ASAP for real tho..
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-26
The files that are being released (many are being delayed) will be the same as the files released in July of this year, on the JFK Archives website, and will be digitized and available for download. At least according to the site.
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/
"Stay Tuned for Updates: John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection"
1 wheelinganddealing 2017-10-26
So Trump caved? No documents? Lame.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-26
There will be something like 2800 documents released with nothing redacted, but some are being delayed 6 months due to "national security concerns"
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
yeah, so the important stuff is being held back. So it can be redacted or 'misplaced.' Trump caved.
1 MobileBrowns 2017-10-26
They all would’ve caved.
1 wurpyvert 2017-10-26
but none of the others would have been stupid enough to hype it up before hand
1 BackwoodsBarbie02 2017-10-26
He’s a deal maker and this is amazing leverage for him. This would dominate the news cycle ,and cover for Uranium/obama/Hillary. It will all work out
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Sadly true
1 Jabroni77 2017-10-26
But he is not everyone else. He is Trump
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Trump will now be complicit with the rest of the derp swamp.
1 laika404 2017-10-26
?
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Stfu. You idiots are all jumping the gun. You emotional fucks
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
He had his fucking chance and ended up being a stuck bitch. Big man yelling all over the place, but when push came to shove he fucking bent the knee sucking Saudi cock.
1 Th3Unkn0wnn 2017-10-26
The docs are out
1 corekt_the_record 2017-10-26
When push came to shove, he grabbed the FBI by the pussy and dropped the docs
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
I hope this puts to bed the Russia hysteria and the contextual danger in resurrecting McCarthyism, altright and altleft BS.
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Theyre out you dumb fuck.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Go buy some /r/weedstocks you angry person.
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Fuck bro I just bought 18 weeds. I'm chill. My b
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
out now. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Hans-Clopek 2017-10-26
That’s awesome.. hope there is some real and honest info to see
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Embarrassment and incrimination DOES NOT = "National Security".
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
I think to them national security is the panic that could raise if they admitted that they were involved with an assassination or that they don’t work all that well. It underlines a great weakness that’s already known to some extent. You also have the security of Trump concerned in some cases.
It’s a shitty thing to do at the end of the day, and I was hoping Trump would be the person to just say “fuck it” and do some dumb shit afterwards and make the news again. Sadly that wasn’t the case and as someone has said, it’s unlikely we will get anything good or relevant.
1 Shebadue 2017-10-26
MFW
1 sarsly 2017-10-26
Apparently 2800 files are being released but some are being delayed for 180 days by the white house for national security reasons. What national security reasons could honestly be the reason for the delay, any guesses?
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that they waited until the last day to file concerns makes me think it’s mostly just embarrassing shit and the spruced it up to Trump to put him in a bind. If they are legit a problem (somehow) then they’d have done this sooner.
That being the case they’ll probably come out in 6 months, and trump’ll be pissed because they were delayed for shit reasons.
1 ggqq 2017-10-26
The thing happened 30 years in the past. the only national security reason would be that the public find out the truth and an anarchistic shitstorm occurs where the american public take out all of congress.
1 sarsly 2017-10-26
After reading into some of the files, I think it's because it might hurt relations with Israel or something. Who knows. Can't wait for them to be released though. Hopefully they don't block anything.
1 _conor_ 2017-10-26
What national security threats could be solved in 180 days anyway?
1 sknolii 2017-10-26
Cleaning up any ‘loose ends’..
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
I'm watching A Case for Conspiracy and am wondering - have we heard anything else from the Doctors on site? More than what has been said in the videos?
1 rileymanrr 2017-10-26
They are up fam, get to work.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Here it is!
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Holy shit, this is gonna be a long night!
1 GhostZ28 2017-10-26
They're released now. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 Birdie_Jim81 2017-10-26
First part is being digitized now. https://i.imgur.com/0beJkAu.jpg
1 Birdie_Jim81 2017-10-26
Get to work boys and girls!
1 mylogin_name 2017-10-26
The files are out now.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 oxfouzer 2017-10-26
Guess: There's really bad stuff about Bush Sr in the remaining documents and they're waiting for him to die so that nobody covers it because it would be distasteful
1 reptiliansentinel 2017-10-26
I totally agree. Theyre protecting the fucking puppetmaster.
1 Rishnixx 2017-10-26
Well it's hardly a coincidence that little Bush started to get so talkative and worm his way back into a spotlight after over 8 years of silence.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Pro-tip: Download the Excel and look at docs that were redacted "in full." Those are going to be the juiciest!
1 WooTs_67 2017-10-26
The 2800 are now released!
1 showmeurboobsplznthx 2017-10-26
They are up guys...
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk
1 whodatwhoderr 2017-10-26
Bah who wants to bet there's a whole lot of nothing in the 2800 released. I want the juicy stuff that even trump was scared to release
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Um...
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32246608.pdf
Informant says Oswald was US agent. Was this known?
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Someone posted he was trained by cia
1 WagTheKat 2017-10-26
I had read elsewhere that he also had background training with FS and USDA as odd as that seems. Not sure about the veracity of those claims, they seem pretty thin really.
1 fitzydog 2017-10-26
The Guardian found mention of a plan to release biological agents into the crops of Latin American communist countries.
1 montrev 2017-10-26
like how they did drop agent orange on Vietnam and laos
1 fitzydog 2017-10-26
With a plane.
These plans were to make it look natural, and to do it discretely.
1 universalslab 2017-10-26
That has been a major topic of discussion for decades. It seems to be well established that he was a member of a Navy Intelligence unit at an airbase in Japan that flew U2 spy planes. Guarding the base itself, or something like that.
1 openurfuckingeyes 2017-10-26
Guys read part 10, that's where it starts getting kinda juicy
1 PoppinZs 2017-10-26
Link that shit bro
1 openurfuckingeyes 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf
1 PoppinZs 2017-10-26
Thanks bro
1 Trump_My_Ride_Or_Die 2017-10-26
Broooooooo
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Gerald Ford Library?
1 openurfuckingeyes 2017-10-26
Nah just how they planned to assassinate Fidel Castro, just finished reading majority of it and some pages are just completely black towards the end
1 StonedEaglesFan 2017-10-26
There is one point Bundy says at one point "he recalls, but can't pinnpoint a time" they considered poisoning him on a mass scale of some sort. Crazy shit.
1 dalmathus 2017-10-26
Hot dam audio recordings
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Oswald possibly visited the Minutemen group weeks before the assassination?
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32248016.pdf
1 huskies4life 2017-10-26
What would this imply?
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
If you read it, seems (if true) others knew about the plan?
1 gvsteve 2017-10-26
I didn't read every single word, but Is Oswald Subject A, B, or G?
1 mitchb6 2017-10-26
None of those he a man that shows up near the end of the document that the informant sees a person he thinks is Oswald
1 rabbit-mounted-gnome 2017-10-26
Come on boys! I'm dyslexic. Work faster!
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
A recording!
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10534-10000.wav
1 jtotheoan 2017-10-26
Can't hear anything but static
1 JFeth 2017-10-26
Someone needs to clean that up. Even with headphones I couldn't understand anything they were saying.
1 stryrn 2017-10-26
doesn't sound like English in a lot of places..
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-10-26
Here they are people! Dig away!
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Wish I could read this better. Looks interesting. Mentions Oswald.
1 MtlGab 2017-10-26
Check the end of this: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32113033.pdf
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Shit dude
1 ar40 2017-10-26
Convenient snippy snipp on the end of that puppy.
1 MtlGab 2017-10-26
Weird eh!
1 ktsavage24 2017-10-26
OMG. that is such a tease.
1 pwoody11 2017-10-26
Talk about a cliffhanger...
1 sarsly 2017-10-26
Is it possible that the other parts are somewhere else in the files? Or is that just gone, cut off?? =/ fuck that sucks
1 BradyMead 2017-10-26
Just have been accidentally deleted, and then accidentally dropped the physical papers on the floor, then accidentally burnt them all
1 kingofthemonsters 2017-10-26
Then accidentally bulldozed the room
1 cO-necaremus 2017-10-26
Then accidentally an airplane flew into the building.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
And the compartmental agency that accidentally deleted them never existed and accidentally operated off the record.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
GREAT find.
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
Ain't that some shit :)
1 Zukb6 2017-10-26
So according to Dick Helms (CIA director 1966-1973) LBJ thought JFK was assassinated as retaliation for assassinating Diem in Vietnam and then Nixon continued to believe this during his administration. (Helms says there's no evidence to believe any of this)
Am I correct in how I'm phrasing this?
1 Cross_seeker 2017-10-26
That's what I'm taking away from this.
1 Shawnbehnam 2017-10-26
Yes, its crazy to read but that is what it reads.
1 3asybeat 2017-10-26
Funny how he made no effort to include it in the Warren commission.
1 YesIamaWizard 2017-10-26
Oddly enough one of the guys mentioned as being in Dallas and killing Kennedy was a guy that admitted to killing Diem. Who was the guy LBJ admitted to sending... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNv_62v6WQ
1 davidecom 2017-10-26
The biggest hole in Diem theory imo was Oswald. What connections did Oswald have to Vietnam?
1 armchairadmin 2017-10-26
LBJ was ultra paranoid. He believed several different theories about the assassination over time.
1 Zukb6 2017-10-26
That's my point.
1 jesusaichchrist 2017-10-26
"...President Johnson used to go around saying that the reason President Kennedy was assasinated was that he had assasinated President Diem and this was just justice."
1 Knighthonor 2017-10-26
I hope somebody here will let us know if the government is caught in a lie
1 WagTheKat 2017-10-26
The government has been caught in a lie.
A couple, actually.
You are welcome.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
There are people pointing out Oswald was CIA and saying it's juicy but I thought we agreed on this already to some extent because of the other post mentioning this.
Eh.
1 IronCat12 2017-10-26
We agreed on this, but there wasn't any concrete evidence to back our claim until now
1 montrev 2017-10-26
never had outright proof of it
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
This one's supposedly about Oswald. Figures.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10210-10111.pdf
1 WooTs_67 2017-10-26
LOL
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
If you go in person, you can see hard copy. We should collect references for key files that are mysteriously illegible.
1 YeezyMyHero 2017-10-26
Go where, to the national archives in DC?
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Yep
1 cheekygorilla 2017-10-26
wow like it's impossible to type it up again smh
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
Looks more like lazy scanning/contrast adjustment. Convenient if it's explosive info that we should really be able to read. I can understand mistakes but this is kind of too important for that to happen. Fishy :-(
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
What does this mean?
Is the CIA still holding out?
1 DiogenesThaDog 2017-10-26
Yes
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Old font... Prolly from the 90s?
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
I'd like to think these are the 200 that they haven't released yet, but the cynical part of me thinks that they count these redacted images as part of the 2800 fully released docs.
1 mousetaco 2017-10-26
Does anyone else feel like the press release on the JFK archives is pretty heavy handed? 'The President orders the release...'
National Archives Releases JFK Assassination Records Press Release · Thursday, October 26, 2017
Washington, DC
President Orders Release of All Remaining Section 5 Records and More Precise Review for Remaining Redactions within Six Months
The National Archives today released 2,891 records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy that are subject to the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (JFK Act). These records are available for download online.
The President has also ordered that all remaining records governed by section 5 of the JFK Act be released, and thus additional records will be released subject to redactions recommended by the executive offices and agencies. NARA will process these records for release as soon as possible on a rolling basis.
Based on requests from executive offices and agencies the President has allowed the temporary withholding of certain information that would harm national security, law enforcement, or foreign affairs. The President also ordered agencies to re-review their proposed redactions and only redact information in the rarest of circumstances where its withholding “is made necessary by an identifiable harm to military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure.” These instructions will allow the National Archives to release as much information as possible by the end of the temporary certification period on April 26, 2018.
The National Archives previously released 3,810 related records on July 24, 2017, including 441 records previously withheld in their entirety and 3,369 records previously withheld in part. More information about this release is available online.
In addition, the National Archives is also releasing to the public the unclassified electronic records of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB), including 52,387 emails and 16,627 files from the ARRB drives.
The National Archives established the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection in November 1992, and it consists of approximately five million pages of records. The vast majority of the collection has been publicly available without any restrictions since the late 1990s.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32248016.pdf
This is the most interesting one, to me.
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
Secret club is the only cool part, doesn't really seem like Oswald.
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
Some quick advice: look for the files that were previously withheld "in full" first.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32246608.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32248016.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32212596.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10210-10111.pdf (blank, but supposedly about Oswald)
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32248016.pdf
Start with these!
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
TLDR: Secret club member thinks he saw someone that looked like Oswald the day before asking for ammo, ends up seeing the actual guy he saw a few days later.
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
Oswald mentioned all over this one: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32262517.pdf
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
A huge chunk of these were reviewed just two days ago. Trump definitely took the agencies by surprise by not withholding these.
1 sarsly 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10231-10099.pdf
Is this anything? Says $10,000 used for propaganda. Then further down another $200 for radio propaganda etc. Just thought I'd post, having fun reading through some of these.
1 Oigm 2017-10-26
Anything we didn’t know yet or is everything being blacked out?
1 BeastAP23 2017-10-26
Read some son
1 1cognoscere 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32404456.pdf
Informant mentions other conpiracy to kill JFK.
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
That's one of the few "in full" withheld files:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32333495.pdf
It's about the Subject "John Thomas Dunkin", not sure what this is about or how to read it.
1 Tarkaan 2017-10-26
This is a document control sheet / inventory without the documents attached. I think.
1 Hotroddeluxe86 2017-10-26
Here are some live updates from the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/26/jfk-files-released-assassination-documents-conspiracy-theories
1 manashe102 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf soviets reaction to assassination.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
There is a LOT of parallel to the Russia! Russia! Russia! alt-right and alt-left in there.
The Soviets were convinced it was an ultraright conspiracy to kill the president as a catylist to war with Russia. They thought it senseless if it came from the ultraleft as they agreed with Kennedy's peaceful coexistence and disarmament.
So the question is what group(s) would stand to profit off a war with Russia, and maybe we should look there.
A LOT of parallel with today's political rhetoric.
If anything confirmation that we can't let this left-right divide consume us and especially this over consuming "blame Russia" as to some manufactured consent to war with them.
Wall Street and the Saudis. They stood the most to gain.
1 gamjar 2017-10-26
Wanting to get Putin's nuts off of Trump's chin is not the same as wanting war with Russia. How is that so confusing for you.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Smedley Butler
Dwight Eisenhower
Wesley Clark
Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam
Yellowcake, WMD's and Iraq.
How members of The Project for a New American Century
ended up in the Bush Administration and Clinton's state department in the evolution of PNAC, Center for a New American Security.
Now Bill Kristol, the head of PNAC himself, is heading up the Alliance for Defending Democracy misusing the German Marshall Fund, along with Bush slime Mike Chertoff in trying to manufacture a reason to attack and blame Russia
It's called decades of demonstrated historical precedence that investors and Wall street will create lies and manufactured consent for war.
Your "Trump is a Russia stooge" is falling into and spreading that manufactured consent to enrich military contractors and Saudi oil investors who want Saudi Arabia (also a prime military defense buyer) to supply Europe with oil over Russia.
You are a pawn in a billionare's pissing match for weapons, oil, and money.
I served in OEF and the GWOT and saw first hand the verification of all the above. It's not to liberate people from terrorists that we fund and supply. It is perpetual war for perpetual profits and man does it really help the Saudis.
1 gamjar 2017-10-26
All my views are based off what Trump, himself, says. I thought Trump had Putin's dick down his throat all the way back to his 2015 interviews.
1 baloothebear44 2017-10-26
The point is that Trump is trying to act diplomatically with the Russians and anything that he says that is even slightly positive is spun so that someone like you thinks "man, Trump really has Putin's dick in his mouth, he must be trying to help Russia become a superpower. Maybe we should revolt our own gov't and attack the Russians."
1 Imsomniland 2017-10-26
Ooooooooor the reason Trump still hasn't re-engaged sanctions against Russia like he was told to by Congress, the reason he's gushed and complimented Putin publicly over the years, the reason he built his campaign and surrounded himself with people who have millionaire business ties to Russian oligarchs...is because the guy cares about the Trump brand and the Trump brand making money, more than he cares about the American people, and Putin's his ticket to ride.
But no, really Trump is playing 5D chess and he's a master at international diplomacy. So much of a master that he got himself disinvited to see the Queen.
1 steazystich 2017-10-26
Save it for /r/politics gentlemen :-P
1 I_Fap_To_Zamasu_2 2017-10-26
Do people really think that Trump cares about America more than money? What happened to this sub?
1 El_Sacapuntas 2017-10-26
This sub is about criticism. I see what you're saying but to discourage conversation about anything really it contradicts the very purpose of this sub.
1 I_Fap_To_Zamasu_2 2017-10-26
Yet this sub constantly refuses to talk about any possible Trump-Russia connections...
1 El_Sacapuntas 2017-10-26
I'm not a regular here but I can see how that would happen. I just think no one should be told they shouldn't be searching more.
1 LukesLightSaber 2017-10-26
The problem is you're basing all your views on 2015 . . . Try going back to at least pre ww1 to develop some real perspective on anything that goes on in this world politically, especially internationally.. We're still dealing with the effects of the fall of the ottoman empire and you're basing your views off interviews from 2015. Unless you were speaking specifically about trump and not actually all your views... then I am sorry for my pretentious rant.....
1 Binyamin- 2017-10-26
If anyone doesn't believe that public opinion can be manipulated I welcome them to sit through the BBC Documentary "The Century of the Self". They'll learn about Edward Bernays who, as the father of propaganda, had a hand in making sure the public was pro-war to the Billionaire's liking. They'll also learn that Gallup polls, and Ramussen, are nothing more than shams used to get the masses under control.
After that they can watch "JFK to 911 Everything is a Rich Man's trick" and get their brains thinking about things. Some tidbits about this doc are things like Henry Ford being a massive anti-semetic who got an award from the Nazi's for his contributions towards them. Alot of ridiculous crazy shit in that doc that are eye opening, and yes Smedley Butler makes a cameo in there with the Business Plot video.
1 Valaryan_Katana 2017-10-26
You spelled Netanyahu incorrectly
1 1FloydtheBarber 2017-10-26
Maybe in your case, but the ones you vote for want war with them. It's true
1 Shillin4Shekles 2017-10-26
You're being manipulated into believing that "Putin's nuts are on Trump's chin," which can be used to levy sanctions and other acts of aggression towards Russia. I wish you people would realize that.
When the entire mainstream media is obviously pushing the same message and sentiment, that should raise a red flag for you.
1 Knighthonor 2017-10-26
Wow all that sounds familiar....
1 Political_moof 2017-10-26
Wherein r/conspiracy falls over itself to use the JFK dump to discredit any information regarding the ongoing investigation into a concurrent investigation into Russian-Trump collision.
Unreal.
1 timstolt1 2017-10-26
ugh, you're one of those types
1 Political_moof 2017-10-26
The type that recognizes the bizarre inherent hypocrisy?
I plead guilty
1 timstolt1 2017-10-26
The type that sees something that's not even there.
1 Political_moof 2017-10-26
Do explain
1 timstolt1 2017-10-26
not worth the effort
1 Political_moof 2017-10-26
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html
Literally the day you post this shit. Lol. Unreal.
1 timstolt1 2017-10-26
Really not sure what your point is, especially given that 11 of the 12 charges are from fucking 2014 and earlier. ?????? I hope you think of Trump everytime you stick a cheeto in your mouth.
1 Political_moof 2017-10-26
Read the Papadapoulous guilty plea. Or continue this shit. I really don't care.
Lol.
1 NS-Ballist 2017-10-26
You really think that in the age when the right wing are pretty much considered a national threat, they would hide a 'ultraright' conspiracy, because it threats the national security? At last lets come to term with the reality of our times.
1 lingley 2017-10-26
Have you seen the documentary "Everything from JFK to 9/11 is a rich man's trick"?
1 TheDubious 2017-10-26
That doc will always get an upvote from me
1 slickt0mmy 2017-10-26
Best documentary I've seen on the subject. Upvote for you!
1 toonz303 2017-10-26
Link/source?
1 ComTruckQuestion 2017-10-26
commenting so i can come back to this tomorrow
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
Yep. Outstanding doc.
Linking it here for the curious
1 unfuckwittablej 2017-10-26
Commenting to check this out, thanks
1 toonz303 2017-10-26
Just found it online... 3 hours long! will check it out tonight, thanks!!!!
1 showmeurboobsplznthx 2017-10-26
Saudi, Israel, the war machine, and wall street. Today the FBI released some ww2 espionage stuff and it shows the war machine and financiers and espionage plus assassinations. I wonder in the agencies are bickering?
1 I_done_a_plop-plop 2017-10-26
Interesting point, but saying 'alt-left' smears your credibility here. But yes, Wall Street.
1 dick_van_weiner 2017-10-26
Yeah! Workers of the world unite! ...wait a second
1 lostkhronos 2017-10-26
Saudis and even Wall Street are ultimately expendable. Zion/Israel will remain and who holds all of the keys.
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
Wow, this actually deserves it's own thread, upvote!
The Soviets apparently believed the assasination was part of an "ultraright" conspiracy in the US.
1 CovfefeBoi 2017-10-26
Not only that, but they went into "full-alert" mode once they realized this because they thought a general in the USA would "launch a missile" at them. lol that's pretty funny, actually.
1 pacollegENT 2017-10-26
And this 2 shooters were involved in the assassination! from a comment above...
It talks about how there is believed to have been two shooters from the angles and their source was some guy that had inside information.
"He is not known to have any national affiliation at the present time although he is in contact with various leaders of right wing groups in the united states"
which would make sense. If he knew that info then he would have to have gotten in from them if they were involved.
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
No, that comment doesn't prove there were two shooters, did you actually read the document ?
Some guy had private speeches in which he claimed there were 2 shooters.
Jesus Christ, just read and try to understand, stop jumping to conclusions.
1 The_Cryogenetic 2017-10-26
Read? Understand? Stop jumping to conclusions?
Boy do you understand what subreddit you're saying that in? You aren't wrong but hell will freeze over before that happens..
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
So you're telling me this subreddit is devoid of any sense ?
1 amathia_ 2017-10-26
Kinda
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
I guess that's why people don't take conspiracy theorists seriously.
1 amathia_ 2017-10-26
Even conspiracy theorists don't take conspiracy theorists seriously.
1 jaktasticles 2017-10-26
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
Who states that ? the FBI ? or some random crazy nut that talked about himself as the next Hitler (Potito) "Potito practically deified Hitler and saw him as a Christian savior of the West" (http://blogs.brown.edu/hallhoag/2013/02/26/national-christian-news-oren-f-potito/)
1 kyknoc 2017-10-26
Hitler was a savior of christianity, he opposed and foiled the jewish Bolshevik massacre of Christians, and eventually the truth will be well known, besides that you are correct, this document is simply an interview not even close to a smoking gun.
1 kingPLoPz 2017-10-26
Wtf...and you're upvoted? Is that a joke?
1 Cpt_Curt 2017-10-26
Please tell me you forgot to include the /s after that comment. Stating that Hitler was a savior of Christianity is absurd. I’m all for discussion over actual conspiracies, however ignorant statements like that degrade this sub.
1 kyknoc 2017-10-26
Well hitler was not alone, but had it not been for the nationalist movement of the 30’s, the communists would have been unstoppable. They did systematically attempt to dismantle christianity and and likely would have had done alot of damage. My statement was a bit over the top, but I dont think mussolini and hitler get enough credit.
1 Trekky0623 2017-10-26
This is a plot point in the show The Americans when there's the attempted assassination on Reagan.
1 ver0egiusto 2017-10-26
This adds some interesting color to Nixon's infamous "whole bay of pigs thing" quote.
1 duallyford 2017-10-26
CNN is reporting this same article live right now. Blaming the "Alt-Right". As you know, CNN is the Most Trusted Name in News.
1 justforthissubred 2017-10-26
CNN did not give us permission to view these files!!!
1 ComTruckQuestion 2017-10-26
sources say trump russia russia racism russia racism russia.
1 Digglord 2017-10-26
Good old Clinton News Network
1 Soapysoaperson1 2017-10-26
The KGB claimed to have evidence that implicated LBJ as being responsible for the assassination, and according to this document they were looking into LBJ's connection with Teddy.
Very interesting. I would love to see the KGB's documents pertaining to LBJ's involvement.
1 __G_A_R_D_E_N_E_R__ 2017-10-26
This is a great article.
1 iccixxi 2017-10-26
If you walk left or right on a circle you will run into a saint
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
This Castro assassination shit is actually interesting.
1 DRxGlass 2017-10-26
Considering how long he outlived JFK too
1 tatadoo 2017-10-26
This exert foreshadows the current state of the CIA:
Source:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112745.pdf
Page 7 (8 in the document), top of page
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
Until I start reading "George HW Bush" this shit is a diversion.
1 DontToewsMeBroh 2017-10-26
What were his motivations?
1 SomeAccountMan 2017-10-26
His cocaine connections as a part of the CIA and link to Texas oil.
1 medic30420 2017-10-26
Ted Cruz's dad: "Now that we have taken care of president kennedy we'll have no trouble taking over things"
https://imgur.com/a/JoOnv
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Yikes... Haha. Nice.
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
What in the fuck.
Link for lazy: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32145682.pdf
1 mcthornbody420 2017-10-26
Miguel Cruz, Organizer for Local 901, Teamsters Union, who made a statement. "Now that we've taken care of President Kennedy, We'll have no trouble in taking over things."
1 pacollegENT 2017-10-26
thats not his name ya turds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Bienvenido_Cruz
1 Doolimite 2017-10-26
LOL ...Trump was Right !
1 pacollegENT 2017-10-26
Haha trump is always right about stuff that people say he is wrong about!
Like how his dads name is definately Miguel Cruz and definately not Rafael Bienvenido Cruz y Díaz who is definately a teamesters union organizer and definately not a christian preacher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Bienvenido_Cruz
1 Gets_overly_excited 2017-10-26
Wrong Cruz
1 yeahhhhh7 2017-10-26
This is fake.
1 clinicall 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32977060.pdf
Apparetly they wanted this blacked out but you can see through it? lol
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
Don’t tell them lmao
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Nice find
1 TheTrueApex 2017-10-26
No, as the document says at the top of the page, those parts were highlighted in red because when they were previously released in part, those pieces were redacted.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
It's highlighted per the upper margin notes... But highlighter looks like shitty redactions in black n white.
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
I dont know why that would be blocked out lol
1 Cottidae 2017-10-26
Clearly says on the top of the third page:
i.e. the first time around, they severed portions of it. Now they are releasing the whole thing.
Also possible that the only copy they have is that old working copy where someone noted the intended redactions many years ago.
1 salfasan0 2017-10-26
It isn't blacked out it's red highlighter on a black and white photocopy.
1 SiomarTehBeefalo 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32248016.pdf
Minutemen, subjects include American Underground, John Birch society, etc
1 SernyRanders 2017-10-26
Anyone could find the rest of this top secret deposition?
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32113033.pdf
That's actually some really juicy stuff
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
I wonder if the end of that deposition was one of the withheld files... that is juicy
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
Pretty annoying, it stops at the most interesting part, asking the CIA director if LHO was an agent.
Not that there would be anything good in there anyways.
1 SiomarTehBeefalo 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32333253.pdf
Anyone know what this means?
1 Tarkaan 2017-10-26
Part of an audit.
1 duallyford 2017-10-26
So many CIA and Mafia ties!
1 mbyrne628 2017-10-26
No time to look through all documents. Can someone post key points or findings?
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
Live Blog https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/26/jfk-files-released-assassination-documents-conspiracy-theories
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
It's all just starting to trickle out. Everyone's doing an awesome job going through these. I'm sure in the next few hours we will be able to have all the key info mapped out. To soon for now.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
This one seemed interesting, Macnamara Testimony to the Senate
1 Mike_McDermott 2017-10-26
JFK was a.drug addict and womanizer.
1 composedryan 2017-10-26
Oh OK well I’m glad he was shot in the head then.
1 Mike_McDermott 2017-10-26
I didn't say it is a bad thing to be a drug addict and womanizer.
1 Fuckface1337 2017-10-26
2 shooters were involved in the assassination!
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
So is this why Oswald was shot by Ruby?
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
Doesn't it kind of say they are the same person?
Kind of strange.
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
I was wondering what that mean too
1 passivehate 2017-10-26
Notice the punctuation.
Jack L. Ruby, aka; Lee Harvey Oswald, aka - victim (deceased)
So I'm assuming this file is in the case against Jack Ruby for killing oswald.
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
That makes the most sense, I mostly just found it a bit awkward.
1 aussiealchemist 2017-10-26
I just read that apparently Oswald wanted to tour across America detailing what had happened and that people shouldn't believe what they're reading in the papers
1 StonedEaglesFan 2017-10-26
Who is POTITO?
1 hanoian 2017-10-26
His full name is in the document.
1 MrResh 2017-10-26
This has to be on top!
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
I think this is just a report about a speech this POTITO guy made, is it not?
1 MrResh 2017-10-26
Oh maybe. Is there a place where we can find the surgeon general report he references
1 StonedEaglesFan 2017-10-26
That's what I'm getting and I don't see how he's very credible.
1 randomguyrandomstuff 2017-10-26
He isn't. People just haven't bothered reading much more than what they wanted to find.
1 theredbird 2017-10-26
Based on the research I've done, Potito was pretty far right and was basically a part of the precursor to the American Nazi Party, the National States Rights Party, and he glorified the shit out of Hitler. Although, it makes you ask yourself why he would include in a speech information he knows about the assassination of a president who he probably hated just as much. I mean, he wouldn't have said anything if he didn't know that something was up with the entire investigation and the misinformation.
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
This Potito guy claimed he knew something. But honestly he could be talking out of his ass.
1 OVERGROUND7 2017-10-26
That quote from him does not sound like talking out of the ass. It is very factual.
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
That guy was a far right Christian extremist. How can you think his words are true without any proof ?
1 Oigm 2017-10-26
Is Ted Cruz’s Dad mentioned at all?
1 dsums2 2017-10-26
There’s a Miguel Cruz mentioned, but Teds fathers name is Rafael
1 ComradeWalrus 2017-10-26
What about the zodiac killer ?
1 UsamaBinNoddin 2017-10-26
Formerly withheld in full https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32205097.pdf
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
I wonder why, its not too terribly detailed.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
In that memo, Donald Trump blocked the release of an unknown number of files, saying he had “no choice” but to accept the concerns of agencies such as the FBI and CIA. For days, he had hyped the release of the documents as a victory for the public that would be “so interesting!”
1 pacollegENT 2017-10-26
Wonder why this isn't higher up? hmmm..
1 ethaner63 2017-10-26
It's frustrating but I also somewhat understand because apparently the CIA just murders people that don't fall in line. He's sort of playing with fire here.
1 FinnegansWakeWTF 2017-10-26
Well he should have just released them anyway to put that theory to the test
1 ToneBox627 2017-10-26
Easy for you to say.
1 tomgabriele 2017-10-26
You know in Dumb and Dumber where the cops had Harry in a bullet proof vest, then after he realizes that he could have been shot in the face and asks the cop about it and she says, "That's a risk we were willing to take."?
That's kind of how I feel about Trump crossing the CIA. If that begins a secret plot to assassinate him, that's a risk I'm willing to take.
1 slamdog109 2017-10-26
Ya that way pence would take over and it would be sooo different
1 Pandamonius84 2017-10-26
More like a game of Russia Roulette but it's fully loaded.
1 Thebeartw34 2017-10-26
Dude when should the CIA just kill a preside- oh
1 babygotbak2 2017-10-26
Honestly I think if trump were ousted there would be a civil war in this country.
1 El_Sacapuntas 2017-10-26
If this is true, falling in line with the rhetoric of this sub of trusting nothing the CIA does, then their pushing to release this information rewards nothing to the public and opens a whole rabbit hole to ideas regarding it.
1 LiquidRitz 2017-10-26
He said it's to redacted names and addresses of those still alive.
1 brewtown138 2017-10-26
I believe he did this for when the time comes, and his own 'problems' come to light, he is going to use these documents to discredit the CIA & FBI.
1 eunonymouse 2017-10-26
It's likely the "foreign affairs" bit is the key there. I would bet there is mention of a high profile assassination/attempt/ or some other black ops that is not yet known and would seriously destabilize relationships with another country.
1 belllatrix 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf This one is interesting, it's all the potential threats to JFK's safety. 400+ reports from people ranging from "I heard a guy said he was glad he died" to "an Ouija board told me LBJ was next" My favorite is # 405 the lady claimed she had a vision of the assassination 2 months before it happened and that his children would be kidnapped, and that RFK would be killed if he ran for Pres. The interview was supposedly conducted 12/3/63
1 pwilks52 2017-10-26
lol number 33
1 Zukb6 2017-10-26
398, pg 394 in doc, Charles J. Shenkner
391, pg 387 in doc, John Hjelmer Abbott
1 politelypedantic 2017-10-26
Good work!
1 anarchophil 2017-10-26
I wonder what the status of some of these people are today
1 Magikarp_evolved 2017-10-26
Question because I am only marginally versed in the matters of JFK:
Let's presume best case scenario and find out that JFK was indeed assassinated by the US government. That multiple business and governmental entities were involved. That was is presented in these files made public are an admission of guilt to a conspiracy going back decades.
Is any of this actionable information; could prosecution of any crimes revealed go forward?
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Well honestly so many people are dead. I'm not sure what could happen legally. I'm no lawyer.
But I truly believe for us to heal and for people to realize the capability of when government goes out of control, we can only hope the public latches on to this and we can all be woke enough that things like this can't get out of control again.
1 Magikarp_evolved 2017-10-26
That's my thought as well; that the public becomes at the very least more aware of what people with power can do when that power is threatened by even the President himself.
However, its the lack of actionable information that bothers me more.
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
I think the documents have revealed how unstable agencies that are in charge of protection are. This isn’t the first case where something could have been done if they weren’t directly involved in the plans.
If anything I think it could call for them to be reviewed in the way they work.
1 Magikarp_evolved 2017-10-26
Agreed, but even a cursory look of any average agency shows just how corrupt and inept most of them are handled. It's plainly obvious how badly the system is in need of change, but until that change begins to interfere with the daily lives of people in a way that prevents them from doing even the basic things, we're not likely to see that change happen.
1 MAGA_BRO 2017-10-26
Most people who may have been involved are dead, the most notable exception being George H.W. Bush. I don't know if there's a statute of limitations on treason or conspiracy to commit murder, maybe a lawyer here would know.
1 jebba 2017-10-26
Some info on the dump:
There are a total of 72,742 files in the archive uncompressed.
There are 72,572 PDF files in the archive.
There are 170 WAV audio files in the archive.
The download from .gov comprised of 11 compressed ZIP files and one .xlsx spreadsheet.
Download of all ZIP files is 21 gigabytes compressed.
Total archive uncompressed (not including zips) is 261 gigabytes.
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Awwww yeah... I predicted 20GB total if they didn't digitize the news clippings. I was damn close.
1 america_rex 2017-10-26
This was on like page 109. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32352381.pdf
Talks about MI-5 getting an anonymous call saying something big is about to happen. Caller hung up after and 25 minutes later JFK was shot. (Sorry new to the sub, made a topic for it. Wasnt sure where it should go)
1 Merpedy 2017-10-26
But this call was from Cambridge. How in the hell would they be aware of the plan?
That’s if I read the document correctly.
1 america_rex 2017-10-26
No idea, but the info made its way to Hoover which is also very interesting.
1 MAGA_BRO 2017-10-26
Cambridge is where Cambridge University is. One of the most elite schools in the world. I'm kinda just rambling here but we all know the connection between the global elite and fancy colleges. Don't really know what to make of it all but maybe someone at Cambridge was in-the-know and felt guilty so they called the CIA.
1 The_Cryogenetic 2017-10-26
And the reason he hung up is because the person that informed him said "don't call them you moron, THEY are the ones that are going to do it!" /s (kinda not really)
1 bhiliyamsbaap 2017-10-26
Could just be a typical reporter wanting to post "CAMBRIDGE NEWS TIPPED OFF ABOUT JFK'S DEATH"
1 ben85ben85 2017-10-26
Interesting, good find.
1 america_rex 2017-10-26
Found the same info on page 117. Different paper with writing https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32389044.pdf
1 ControlledCrash 2017-10-26
Wonder what "the case of Dr. Ward" refers to
1 stryrn 2017-10-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Ward maybe this? I dunno.
1 typicaltommy 2017-10-26
....
1 666exit666 2017-10-26
666 comments. I think I will just go ahead a ruin that.667 bitch, Neighbour of the beast
1 Ninjakick666 2017-10-26
Heyyyy...
1 ChumleeAdama 2017-10-26
I feel like there should be a bestof subreddit for the people to post this stuff. like /r/JFKBestof
1 DiscreteSpaceTime 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf PAGE 59 IN DOCUMENT
1 coogzzz 2017-10-26
And everything comes full circle.... that is the most /r/conspiracy thing i have ever seen
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
Can you explain?
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
1 Laurcus 2017-10-26
Are you fucking kidding me? Pol was right again...
1 eatmymonkey 2017-10-26
Subject NOT interviewed! Unbelievable.
1 coogzzz 2017-10-26
It's kind of a /r/conspiracy-ism to say things like this are funded by the Jews. It almost seems satirical how plainly the subject says "Now we have plenty of money - as soon as 'we' or (they) take care of Kennedy..."
1 DADDYDICKFOUNTAIN 2017-10-26
No, i think they mean the literal zionists in both cases.
1 RnBmobile 2017-10-26
hmm?
1 DiscreteSpaceTime 2017-10-26
Really activates your almonds
1 Tarkaan 2017-10-26
Look at 176/179 and keep going
1 Nakamura9812 2017-10-26
Wow! Not a thing on Oswald, did you see the date of November 11th .....almost triple stamped (bolded) in those pages?
1 SJDidge 2017-10-26
That’s not bolded.... that’s doctered!! Zoom in, the line isn’t straight, not from a typewriter
1 Nakamura9812 2017-10-26
Agreed. and I didn't mean November 11th ....I meant the number 11, should have been more specific on that haha. That looks super screwy on that 11.
1 Swagdonkey400 2017-10-26
Idk if it's cus I'm on my phone but anytime I get to page 59 my phone crashes. Is that what you mean? I tried multiple times. Each time it crashes. Could be because I'm on my phone doe
1 DRC1126 2017-10-26
My phone keeps crashing. Is this happening to anyone else or is it just because I'm on my phone?
1 skiduzzlebutt 2017-10-26
Same, on Reddit and in Safari, wtf
1 babygotbak2 2017-10-26
In the next page, 60, it mentions “Kissinger Plot” which I think probably refers to Henry Kissinger.
1 tylerash98 2017-10-26
Me yesterday: Zero conspiracy
Me today: Fuck, man, something's up
1 DankeyKang11 2017-10-26
If you want an uncomfortable laugh, they were going to kill Castro with a seashell bomb, but just couldn't find a seashell big enough.
1 bubblesort 2017-10-26
LOL, that's like a spy vs spy comic strip.
1 Mina-colada 2017-10-26
This is still my favorite thing so far.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
Whenever we bring up cuba in conspiracy, i start thinking of Operation Northwoods and that stuff and how the CIA would try anything to get a war going...
1 JustCallMeZero 2017-10-26
I take pleasure knowing that exploding seashell is in our historic documents.
1 IridiumIodide3 2017-10-26
Literally me right now. I'm a common sheeple. Questioning the government I strongly believe in pretty much means I don't know what's real anymore. Where do we draw the line? The entire Cold War and War on Terrorism were encited by the US government? If such an enormous part of the government is staged, how much else is fake? I don't understand how conspiracy theorists function knowing that everything around them could be completely fake but you'll never actually find out the truth. I'm scared?
1 echtoran 2017-10-26
It takes no stretch of the imagination to believe that the US government incited the Cold War and the War on Terrorism. War requires provocation on both sides.
If you're not questioning your government, you're not being patriotic. Look at our founding fathers -- every one of them questioned government, starting with the King and proceeding right on to their peers. How much did Jefferson and Franklin write about the Constitution after it was signed?
Questioning government is what responsible people do. Post-war America was very much a blind state, and as a result, the 50's are an idealized decade. Conflict in the 60's started opening eyes, and Watergate proved definitively that we could not trust anyone. But that lack of trust is part of the inherit system of checks and balances of democracy.
Don't worry about losing your handle on what's real. Reality is for physicists to ponder, truth is for philosophers, and meaning is for theologians. It's far better to just sit back and watch.
1 cO-necaremus 2017-10-26
Lurking can give you a perspective, but it is not good to remain a pure lurker. Some self fulfilling actions/deeds are the way to go. They don't need to be directed towards the outside, the current society. Kant's writing took another ~100 years after his death to impact reality - and it still hits like a truck.
Aristotle slowed us down for ~2000 years. Freud currently is slowing us down. Those had impact in their lifetime and people fail(ed) to realize how wrong they were. (sure, both had some interesting findings... but they got glorified for no reason, we failed to question the claims)
1 PICKLERiiiiiiiCKxDDD 2017-10-26
you never knew, most people never even know that they dont know
the first official govt investigation in to the shooting said 'one shooter' and he was caught (mind you he was caught because he was arrested for going in to a movie theater without a ticket, and multiple cop cars responded to that threat), the later investigation by the govt concluded that there were actually 2 shooters. so thats conflict of findings just from within the govt
then when you look more in to it, you see links between the fbi, kkk leaders for some reason, unsolved sightings of someone leaving the scene (iirc it was someone spotted walking out of a storm pipe)
eventually though, you realize you'll never know and that even if you did, even if the information that the CIA "did" 9/11, nothing would change anyways, so then you just ignore it all and focus on yourself
1 kingofthemonsters 2017-10-26
It's hard when you first go down that ol rabbit hole. Hard to know when to stop to come back for air. Watching the news and watching how people react to it is a trip. But generally it's pretty fucking depressing with every new thing you find out.
I like to balance things out with video games and sitcoms.
Good luck
1 OmgKidGetAJob 2017-10-26
Also meditation. It helps me go back to being Baseline, emotionally.
1 djvs9999 2017-10-26
The Catholic Church is fake. That's about as far as you need to go back.
1 IridiumIodide3 2017-10-26
Well, I realized a long time ago all organized religions are mainly used for manipulation. So I'd go back even before the catholic church.
1 Rasterblath 2017-10-26
I know where I am but the Cold War thing is horseshit.
While we were the dominant military power and the only nuclear nation we stood by while the Soviets took control of all of Eastern Europe. It’s was only after years of hindsight and recognition of a lesser military advantage did the US do anything to provoke the Cold War situation.
Until Vietnam the Cold War was basically: Damn things are good here but too many people are seeing the communist ideology fuck up parts of the world. I guess we should do something about this.
1 Stormtech5 2017-10-26
Everyone is faking it ; )
1 cO-necaremus 2017-10-26
maybe this one was written for the likes of you
1 980ti 2017-10-26
For some, ignorance is bliss. For others, it's misery, and the pursuit of knowledge is bliss.
You've already picked your side.
1 SuperFriedNacho 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf Page 3. Even the Soviets didn't believe this was the work of one person.
1 xSoVi3tx 2017-10-26
The only issue I have with that report, is the same Soviet source claims that the Soviets had no contact with Lee Harvey Oswald, yet one of the newly released documents show that he had been speaking broken Russian to a KGB agent weeks prior to the assassination.
1 mitchb6 2017-10-26
Link to the other document staying thag?
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
Who benefitted from the JFK's death in the short term and the long term the most?
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
LBJ
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
So LBJ and Israel are the long term winners and the mafia with the Cia were the short term winners?
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
No i think LBJ was the short term winner and the long term winners were the countries or people who knew they could manipulate him far easier than JFK
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
Sure but this does not give much clue about who the actual ultimate winner of this conspiracy?
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
I mean your guess is as good as mine, but i gave you a general idea
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
thanks
1 montrev 2017-10-26
I think LBJ didn't run in 68 cuz someone, maybe Nixon, had proof he was in on killing jfk and blackmailed him to stay out
1 UsamaBinNoddin 2017-10-26
All the docs that were formerly witheld in full (Updating as I come across them): https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32205097.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32245030.pdf
1 Sjt05 2017-10-26
if you download the excel file you can organize it by fully withheld or partially withheld
1 Plowaway69 2017-10-26
F
1 UsamaBinNoddin 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32271723.pdf CIA FILE (OUTLINE: LHO, THE CIA, AND MEXICO CITY)
1 wyvernwy 2017-10-26
I hope the eggheads figure out something interesting from the pattern of what was redacted. I'm always hoping that crowdsource exposes something that authorities never saw, or that hiding something exposes something else.
1 daver00lzd00d 2017-10-26
thank you
1 Tanchyon 2017-10-26
With regards to those illegible documents, with some effort a lot of those could be made legible. You never know there could be a tidbit of gold in there somewhere for someone that makes the effort.
1 UsamaBinNoddin 2017-10-26
my guess is that those are illegible on purpose
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
Why was the Federick Trump post deleted? Has anyone verified it?
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
Probably fake. Unless something that yuge is verified, assume it's fake. If he posts the doc to drive and shows us all here, then ill believe it. Post your source people!!!
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
I was able to screenshot the post before it was deleted
https://imgur.com/gallery/YOkQH
1 Tarkaan 2017-10-26
This is obviously fiction.
1 Wormwood03 2017-10-26
Reason?
1 Tarkaan 2017-10-26
It's clearly a modern document.
1 BeastPenguin 2017-10-26
Yeah that doesn't look legitimate.
1 CaptKamClique 2017-10-26
Trumps a bitch
1 squirtlekid 2017-10-26
So is your mom
1 KIMJONGFUNN 2017-10-26
I feel like this isn’t so much his choice as it is the cia and fbi
1 Nakamura9812 2017-10-26
Curious, even as a Trump guy, what if he released everything and refused their redaction recommendations? The whole thing happened 50 years ago, what national security concerns could even be in there? Even if there were plans in place for leaders/countries at the time.....who the fuck is still running the country or even alive? I only think it all points back to our own government. It isn't like Trump is going to read all documents....but then again....maybe he trolled into seeing what they would redact and such....and has the authority to read them.....he does doesn't he? Regardless of agency holding?
1 pickleport 2017-10-26
Yeah i think the only national security concerns are related to our view of the US. Even if it was proven some other government was conclusively behind the assassination.. I don't think even the most diehard of Americans would support or expect action to be taken against that country now. If it was the CIA or an inside job linked to more than a lone gunman with crazy as a motivation? Yeah we'd be pissed.
1 alienith 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32206626.pdf
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Holy shit.
1 TheCrawlerFL 2017-10-26
Whoooweee
1 SuperFriedNacho 2017-10-26
We need to connect the dots between Tippit and Homer Echevarria. Both mentioned large payments but Homer mentioned from the Jews.
1 ar40 2017-10-26
Not really - they are quoting a Polish newspaper's suggestion of what might have happened. This is not from the informer himself.
1 alienith 2017-10-26
Ah yeah good point
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32260278.pdf
CIA working with the mob as usual (not JFK related).
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
Somewhat interesting (though hard to read):
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263509.pdf
1 ar40 2017-10-26
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured-- They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
I am too slow and stupid to read all of this, is there someone that is reading the whole thing and will give us the bullet points?
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Check this one out https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32206626.pdf
1 openurfuckingeyes 2017-10-26
Yeah I gave up reading after page 8 num 364. Majority of it is just about Cuba
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
The Guardian is going through them and updating with snippets live.
1 jjrust 2017-10-26
What does HARVEY mean on page 6?
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32423557.pdf
1 jjrust 2017-10-26
NVM i guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_King_Harvey
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32170658.pdf
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
JD Tippet is the possible killer of JFK https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32170661.pdf
1 mambo_matt 2017-10-26
It makes sense why the story of him being shot by Oswald before he was apprehended, was pushed. We know there is a connection with Tippet already. Before he was just a normal officer. Now it really makes you wonder why he and Lee were shot and killed when this type of info comes out. Can't just be a coincidence. Question is, why hide the info?
1 PrincessRuri 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263509.pdf
The letter he wrote to the Russian embassy that was later turned over by the Russians in the 90's was intercepted by the FBI.
"He also wrote a letter to the Soviet Embassy here in Washington, which we intercepted, read, and resealed."
It's interesting who the letter was addressed to.
"That letter from Oswald was addressed to the man in the Soviet embassy who is in charge of assassinations and similar activities on the part of the Soviet government. To have that drawn into a public hearing would muddy the waters internationally. To use all that would reveal our failure to carry out international courtesy laws."
1 Redferick 2017-10-26
I'll be waiting to hear what John Barbour has to say https://youtu.be/MWBa7YAAYow
1 Yimmy2 2017-10-26
Looking for any live coverage of this, video preferred, but audio ok. This is best I've found so far
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so that we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin,” Hoover said.
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
https://steemit.com/informationwar/@truthforce/jfk-files-are-out-now-and-live-people
Source in files says 2 shooters and Agent Pena says Oswald was US Agent!
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
Idk if I want to click that link, have the .gov links?
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
Hmm?
I understand not everyone knows about Steemit, but you could have google searched "what is steemit", instead of replying you don't want to click it ;)
Steemit is a social media platform based on the STEEM blockchain, it is uncensorable and completely permanently stored in the blockchain. You should make accounts there and post there, reddit sucks for censorship, + you earn cryptocurrency for posting.
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
Thanks for the rundown, sorry!
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
Hey no problem, there is so much stuff to learn out there!!!! Seriously though, steemit is a pretty great place for talking with people and getting good info.
We have an InformationWar section we have been curating if you wanna take a quick peek. Some people put in 10 to 20 pages worth of detail into the stuff they do over there :)
https://steemit.com/trending/informationwar
1 DylanNot 2017-10-26
May I ask where you found that first quote? I couldn't find it on the Guardians Page.
1 The_Spook_of_Spooks 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263509.pdf
Its only a few pages long.
1 tommypain 2017-10-26
Wow, "the civil rights people will holler hell saying his civil rights were violated- which they were." Then the admission that they will blame it all on Oswald for the sake of international policy. I don't even know what to say... a mentor of mine who was involved in politics at the time said exactly that... now I'm wondering what else he knew...
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
Here.
Under the 9:53pm section.
1 noticeposeidon2 2017-10-26
Feels so good to see this sub directed back to down to earth speculation. Always browse but never take it seriously lately. Seeing the old school conspirators dissect this to it's full potential is uplifting. Of course we will not get full disclosure, but damn, 10-15 years ago you had to really convince people on these connections, these days its out there for us to look over. Old breadcrumbs but boy are they delicious when proven real.
1 jhra 2017-10-26
It's been years but I thought I'd check what the Above Top Secret crowd were saying about the releases. Now it was always weird but, man, that place is angry, even by /r/conspiracy standards
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
Oswald in Mexico:
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32392635.pdf
Who the hell can read this 50 year old chicken scratch?
1 youDontKnowMeDoe 2017-10-26
LINE 26- Mentions the U.S.
And that concludes my JFK work of the day
1 Trixxius 2017-10-26
Line 33 mentions a tv!!!
1 Nakamura9812 2017-10-26
I'm trying to figure out how that was scanned in like that. I'm a lefty with chicken scratch, I can hardly make any of that out. My dad has worse handwriting than me and I could get through most of the notes he had on vendors without asking many clarification questions.
1 InitiumNovum 2017-10-26
That's completely illegible.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Googles optical character recognition can't even recognize wtf he's saying lol.
1 Soapysoaperson1 2017-10-26
This document is already posted on here, but i found some more gold further down on the page.
The KGB claimed to have evidence that implicated LBJ as being responsible for the assassination, and according to this document they were looking into LBJ's connection with Teddy.
Very interesting. I would love to see the KGB's documents pertaining to LBJ's involvement.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
Disinformation. They tried to get this theory to catch on so the public would distrust LBJ. Classic Russian tactic.
1 Soapysoaperson1 2017-10-26
LBJ had a lot to gain along with his rich Texas businessmen friends.
I have always been suspect of him. Wasn't it alleged that Jackie O stated she suspected LBJ was involved on the tapes she recorded for her biographer?
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
I mean, the motive is there, maybe the next release will shed more light on his role. I'm going to need to hear it for more sources than a KGB informant before I believe he was involved.
1 BWSnap 2017-10-26
It's not alleged, she actually did believe he was behind it. Caroline released her interview tapes about it early in a deal witb NBC not to air a Kennedy miniseries that was upsetting to the family (Jackie asked in her will that the tapes remain under lock and key until 50 years after her death.
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
I have a suspicion that all intel agencies tend to do the same shit to each other.
Youre giving them all the credit.
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
Good call. Classic tactic across the board.
1 Soapysoaperson1 2017-10-26
So what kind of disinfo campaign never shares information publicly.
I can't find any source in existence that the Russians ever publicly accused LBJ.
1 NokiaSnakeWorldChamp 2017-10-26
This false leak was then trying to stir the pot. It wasn't as easy to release info from Russia to the US public back then.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
Painting the 1960s with the Russia hysteria currently in the news isn't wise. You are talking out of your bum.
1 benjwgarner 2017-10-26
The 1960s was full of Russia hysteria.
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
Bingo.
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
and another document says Johnson was convinced it was Vietnam's revenge
1 Krowki 2017-10-26
Someone's revenge for Kennedy ALLOWING our guy in Vietnam Diem to be deposed, actually.
1 pjcircle 2017-10-26
TIL the CIA thought of assassinating Castro via explosive seashell. Yes this is a thing...
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
/r/nottheonion. Can you site the link though?
1 pjcircle 2017-10-26
Sitting in bed now but it is documented in the phase 3 portion of assassination attempts/ideas in the 80ish page document that on Fidel Castro it also mentions the CIA working with the mafia etc. It's been linked a few times below.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
I wish someone could find the citation for the assassination attempt for Castro with the Willey Coyote like exploding cigars.
1 pjcircle 2017-10-26
Reading through it felt like I was watching some super villain continually fail to foil the hero in some cartoon lol.
1 KeithCarter4897 2017-10-26
There were many attempts to kill him over the years. I grew up with the son of one of the men responsible for the exploding cigar that nearly worked. After the Bay of Pigs, he came to the us and became a nuclear engineer. Honestly, he should sue Dos Equis for stealing his identity, as he is really the most interesting man in the world.
1 mojavelover 2017-10-26
Sharks with frickin laser beams
1 pjcircle 2017-10-26
I feel like this is on par with the idea I read in the report.
1 lenjioereh 2017-10-26
Does anyone think that the Kennedy family actually knew who truly was responsible for the assasination?
1 Raksso 2017-10-26
Well Jackie did not want to wash of the blood from her cloth and said 'Let them see what they've done.'
The it's also been said that RFK asked Johnson why he had his brother killed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tclZrJiJSL0
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
"At the same time, executive departments and agencies (agencies) have proposed to me that certain information should continue to be redacted because of national security, law enforcement, and foreign affairs concerns.
I have no choice --today -- but to accept those redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our Nation’s security."
What could seriously be so dangerous & relevant that it would be concealed some odd 50 years later? Wtf are they hiding?
1 kabartanto 2017-10-26
Maybe that elements of the CIA did the assassination. This would harm national security by causing the public to lose any remaining trust in the CIA, at a time when everybody is already distrustful of the "deep state."
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Well its a safe bet that the CIA had a role. After all, they trained Ho Chi Mihn and Osama Bin Laden, among other controversial figures of which would screw future foreign policy for the US and its allies.
1 KeithCarter4897 2017-10-26
What's funny about How Chi Mihn is that we nearly sided with him. I believe it was General Pershing we sent to speak with him in the 50's and he came back saying we would either support him, or we would lose a war to him. Yet again, Pershing was shown by history to be correct.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
It's strange that Ho Chi Mihn wrote many presidents asking for their support in his wanting to emulate Democracy and ended up being a notable communist leader and future enemy.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
It's strange that Ho Chi Mihn wrote many presidents asking for their support in his wanting to emulate Democracy and ended up being a notable communist leader and future enemy.
1 MAGA_BRO 2017-10-26
Possibly foreign policy secrets regarding countries that still exist and hold a grudge (North Korea, maybe red China). But they apparently aren't too concerned about hiding their plans to overthrow Castro.
They're probably just hiding stuff though.
1 KeithCarter4897 2017-10-26
That our closest ally (Israel) killed our president so they could get nukes?
If true, the moment that got out, Israel would likely conduct a preemptive strike against us, because our response WILL be to destroy anyone responsible for murdering one of our most beloved presidents.
1 benjwgarner 2017-10-26
They got nukes from France.
1 AntiHasbaraUnit 2017-10-26
thats a complete falsehood.
1 benjwgarner 2017-10-26
Source?
1 AntiHasbaraUnit 2017-10-26
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
1 try_not_to_hate 2017-10-26
if I had to put money on it, I'd bet it's things that could damage relations with current allies. like "we'll support Isreal just enough to keep the middle-east unstable, which to keep a lid on communism. Isreal will believe we're allies, but they're really just a pawn" or some such. they need 180 days to figure out how to put out the PR fires this will cause with allies, and to reassure those allies that this is not how we currently view the relationship.
my second bet would be "dear mr. president, we're a really inefficient government organization, and we failed to do our job [to get everything ready for the release] so could you please make it so our mismanagement doesn't get anyone fired or in legal trouble"
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Gangsters and local police possibly in on the assassination? https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32129591.pdf
1 Toezy_Weezer 2017-10-26
I suspect bipartisan ghost hand agreements, I also suspect LBJ.
1 Trixxius 2017-10-26
So.... can someone sum up the whole document into 1 paragraph... the JFK assassination is a conspiracy I haven't looked too far into and I want to know a summary of conspiracies turned true from the documents..
1 sparkysko 2017-10-26
Thousands of documents on receipts. Have fun.
1 DIRTYNASTIERSUICIDE 2017-10-26
Here's a TLDR live update thread from the guardian. Seems there is a lot of evidence for a second shooter and that LBJ may have killed Kennedy in order to attain the presidency from what I've garnered so far.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32170661.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32144493.pdf
https://imgur.com/a/JoOnv
1 BWSnap 2017-10-26
Jackie stated months after the assassination that she believed LBJ was behind it. The picture of her on the plane, standing next to him with her outfit still covered in blood as he takes the oath of office breaks my heart even more knowing that this is how she felt.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Surgeon*
Spelling error
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Second shooter possibly being J.D. Tippit.
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Page 5 of this document https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32189681.pdf
1 singuei99 2017-10-26
Anything on George de Mohrenschildt? I feel like he's one of the keys to this mystery.
1 DonnaGail 2017-10-26
I can't help but think of Caroline Kennedy right now.
1 PurpleBandit3000 2017-10-26
I feel like this is the only place where people can actually discuss this without getting laughed at or ridiculed. Thank you, /r/conspiracy mods for organizing this. :)
1 wizard_of_wisdom 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10173-10376.pdf Can somewhat please explain what the hell this is?
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
My guess is the archivalist tried to scan microfilm and what you're seeing is the result.
1 Parsnip1992 2017-10-26
the document was accidentally culled from the Top Secret UFO files, and included here. It is papers found on the crashed space craft at Roswell.
1 bro-en_-eyboard 2017-10-26
Interesting find. Looks like a list of names and places.
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Upside down
1 brayshizzle 2017-10-26
copied from that donald sub reddit thing......
Numerous subjects were interviewed, labeled Schizophrenic, and then committed by the Secret Service. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf Warning : 400+ page document. Numerous people mention brainwashing, mind control, and "messages from God". (MKUltra?)
1 T2AmR 2017-10-26
Can we get page numbers? No search function.
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
Start at page 59
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
Hayyy thats my OP I just posted here too lol.
1 FleetingChurchill 2017-10-26
Here's Bill Hicks with an explanation. The Elite
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Only two organizations knew the route of Kennedys parade https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32144493.pdf
1 williammcfadden 2017-10-26
There were railroad workers on that bridge who heard a shot from the grassy knoll and saw a puff of smoke. They ran over there and found muddy footprints and cigarette butts but nothing else.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kp0F8YTsnd0
1 SwallowTheTruth 2017-10-26
Man how I'd love to see the powers that be hung from a tree with their feet kicking because they thought they were untouchable. Grab a gun and fuck up your local welathy folks. It's the only change that will happen. Blood for blood.
1 wandersomemnts 2017-10-26
Yeah let’s not do that
1 SwallowTheTruth 2017-10-26
Ehh they deserve every bullet.
1 tylerash98 2017-10-26
Direct incitement of violence? Smart.
1 SwallowTheTruth 2017-10-26
Ehh blame the rich
1 ENDLESSBLOCKADEZ 2017-10-26
Eat the fucking rich
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-26
Removed. Encouraging violence. Only warning.
1 onedeep203 2017-10-26
am I reading this wrong but in page 85 of the jfk release files that op posted under "docs are live" row number 4242 rec #178-10002-10229 they are taking about the assassination of jfk on 11-05-1963 but he wasnt assassinated until 18 days later on 11-22-63.... the document date is 11-05-63
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
It seems you may be right.
1 onedeep203 2017-10-26
I believe it says "I am sorry to not to have the opportunity to see you during my visit to Washington. I would like to have paid my respects and to have offered to assist you in any way that I might during your service in the commission of investigation in the presidents assassination." that's what the first 8 lines says and its dated 18 days before his death
1 neptunedagger 2017-10-26
Let me help a bit. Continuing from where you left off: (I'm no professional at this, just up late and bored)
"The labors of this Commision will (b)e most vital and can contribute - must contribute to - the preservation ... the political and social ...(illiegible)... nation. It was my feeling that perhaps i (co)uld help you again as i used to in CB and Special Group ...(illegible)... as an intellegent and informed leg man, a ...(illegable), a gatherer of information - ... "
From here he quotes something, looks like a turn of phrase of sorts.. the subsequent writing in that paragraph i cannot read on this first gloss over.
Starting at the next paragraph, this part has an interesting tidbit:
"Of most importance, i have a (illegible) angle. Mr. Kennedy was (missing word?) friend and classmate. i would (illegible) to contribute to a ...(illegible)... of the whys and the (illegible) conclusions which would ...(illegible)... for a favorable socio-politcal (illegible):"
Nex paragraph i cant read enough to really bother writing it out, but it seems to go over what he presumes the Commission would do or something.
Starting again from second to last paragraph:
"At present i am awaiting the (illegible) of the next school year when i shall resume my pre CIA ...(illegible)... a Degree(?) of Economics... I am available if you should need my services. whether you do need my services or (n)ot I know that the investigation (of?) this tragic event is in good hands. It is a most important responsibility. Its results will have manifold(?) implications for the future. Wish you well. Sincerely, Sherman Hoar
This letter was attached to a larger document 178-10002-10226, but I can only find reference to that document online, but not the document itself.
1 InitiumNovum 2017-10-26
The person who wrote the letter could well have wrote the wrong date by accident. I imagine most of us have made similar mistakes before. If they were planning a conspiracy, don't you think they would have been more thorough and less blatant?
1 Cupcakemonger 2017-10-26
If memory serves, there was a plot that was foiled in Chicago(?) to assassinate JFK a few weeks before he was killed.
1 datsallvolks 2017-10-26
There is a question mark written in above the date.
1 WarlordBeagle 2017-10-26
It seems that they are still keeping back a ton of stuff, some to decide whether to release (They only had 50 years, not enough time), others are state secrets even today.....
1 brayshizzle 2017-10-26
I need sleep. Just want to say, after spending a lot of time on here, reading through this sub...through out vegas, uranium one and some twats calling conspiracy theorist mentally unstable....its fantastic to see the release of these files and the fanascinating interest its going to cause over the coming weeks. No doubt I will wake up tomorrow to some insane TDLR . I cant wait.
1 tylerash98 2017-10-26
Wait what? What? What? What?
1 TheOperaMasterRace 2017-10-26
I want that photo in the file, omg.
1 TheOperaMasterRace 2017-10-26
The photo is there too, what the fuck?
1 angstybagels 2017-10-26
How is that related to JFK?
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
Its possible to embed malicious code in a PDF. Just saying ;-)
1 angstybagels 2017-10-26
Fuck, just using the internet right now is sketch until all WPA2 vulnerabilities are patched worldwide.
1 SCHOOL_COMP_ACCOUNT 2017-10-26
so i just got a virus cause i wanted to know if hitler was alive
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
that sucks
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Pretty sure hijacking a .gov domain is ALOT harder than hijacking the website + the ways in which the government hosts the files.
1 reini_urban 2017-10-26
Adolph Schüttelmayer, nice.
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
Russian grandparents were saying that for decades.
1 datsallvolks 2017-10-26
My son showed me this but I find it hard to believe he'd keep that stache going into hiding.
1 BobFloss 2017-10-26
This document was already out. I found a comment linking to it a month ago:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171030100319/https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6ywqep/declassified_cia_docs_say_hitler_was_alive_and/dmrbc73/
1 weaponizedAutismbux 2017-10-26
According to that document, it is "Adolph Hitler is still alive" (page 3 of the document) NOT Adolf Hitler. Am I missing something
1 lolheadshot 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32241845.pdf
This document has probably been posted by now but I wanted to bring special attention to the amount of people who were interviewed by the Secret Service.
This document is 400+ pages, but when you start getting to the interview reports, a large number of these folks were declared Schitzophrenic and were committed by the Secret Service.
Many of these people also claim, per the reports, situations involving mind control, brainwashing, and "voices of God".
We all know what this implication could mean. MKUltra?
1 Dampsquid27 2017-10-26
Back and to the left
1 RaiderRush2112 2017-10-26
mimmy beardsly...worst name ever mimmy beardsly MIMMY BEARDSLY!
1 freethinker1976 2017-10-26
Turns out you guys were right all along. Now were can I get one of those tinfoil hats before I start cataloguing all this dirt? I'll promise to wear it un-ironically.
1 Toezy_Weezer 2017-10-26
Aluminium foil. Tin is worthless...
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Always listen to Weird Al.
1 Dr4ko9 2017-10-26
It's All a distraction
1 meerin2 2017-10-26
Was Hitler still alive after WW2? https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/HITLER%2C%20ADOLF_0003.pdf
1 KidGold 2017-10-26
Wow ive seen similiar reports before but never a photo. Great find.
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Shooting Oswald was no accident. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32155431.pdf
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
This mega thread is smaller than a bee's dick. The_Donald has a much better thread, just saying.
1 captaincanada84 2017-10-26
Yeah there's no way I'm going in there.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Yeah, god forbid you find the information organized neatly and with links, images and references. HATE THAT.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Oh, I see you're canadian and you think Trump was only not prosecuted because he's a republican vs Harvey who's not. No mention of the allegations falling apart or any real info. Classic CCC. Cucked' Canadian Conformation.
Hopefully that doesn't offend whatever gender you identify as.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Oh, I see you're canadian and you think Trump was only not prosecuted because he's a republican vs Harvey who's not. No mention of the allegations falling apart or any real info. Classic CCC. Cucked' Canadian Conformation.
Hopefully that doesn't offend whatever gender you identify as.
1 NowthatswatIcallBUTT 2017-10-26
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to go there.
1 Joel_Silverman 2017-10-26
Thank you for the example of why people don't like going there.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
You played yourself.
1 Joel_Silverman 2017-10-26
Another example
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Example, lol! http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
You are an annoying little doofus.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Easily ignored too, if I wasn’t correct.
1 realister 2017-10-26
For a person visiting conspiracy sub you sure are close minded.
1 Joel_Silverman 2017-10-26
I hope you see the irony in that comment.
1 SunnyChow 2017-10-26
Because the mainstream media convinced you to hate him?
1 captaincanada84 2017-10-26
No. Because that place is a toxic hellhole
1 DrP-DrPapa 2017-10-26
I love the cookie cutter methodology of this. "It was LBJ, in the CIA, with the second gunman." It's like they're playing clue with the public. Honestly, I can't fault them, I'd probably do something backhanded like that too.
1 WongKongKat 2017-10-26
American greed
1 _o000o000o_ 2017-10-26
What a real Magathread looks like.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5bzh35/ap_projects_donald_trump_wins_2016_us/
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1 ForeignAlphabet 2017-10-26
Anyone else find that the /r/askreddit thread on the JFK files is a lot more informative and useful than all the threads here today? /r/conspiracy in infuriatingly sensationalist sometimes, most of the titles on the top posts today are garbage
1 bdz 2017-10-26
Yes mostly due to the /r/conspiracy combating and denying every thing that pops up. The truth could be smacking some of the readers here in the face and they'd still claim it was a crisis actor's hand.
But it's always good to see both sides of things.
1 Suitcase_Johnson 2017-10-26
Like the CIA sabotaging crops in Cuba and planning false flag terror attacks in Miami so they could invade Cuba?
Not a peep from conspiracy.
1 Parsnip1992 2017-10-26
considering the immoral and illegal things governments routinely do, it seems shredding historical documents, or altering them to fit a narrative, would be low on the list of crimes. Hence, what we are reading is what they want us to read.
1 kevjay17 2017-10-26
Super convenient . First time I've ever had this happen, but it won't let me share links to any pdfs on Facebook..auto-marked as spam. Probably nothing but fuck it, it's weird.
1 bukvich 2017-10-26
Secrets are precious power totems to the control freaks inside the federal security perimeter. They are both pathetic and deplorable. If you want to know what their souls look like, the Lord Rings movies have a character who presents an excellent likeness.
The prisoners in Guantanimo Bay probably have it worse. Probably.
1 WillisGodly 2017-10-26
Check out Row Num 516, Record Num 180-10147-10191,STAFF REPORT ON THE EVOLUTION AND IMPLICATIONS OF THE CIA-SPONSORED ASSASSINATION CONSPIRACIES AGAINST FIDEL CASTRO. It talks about how there is evidence that suggests Fidel Castro organized the killing of JFK.
1 elephantofdoom 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32355931.pdf
Completely unrelated to JFK, but seriously hilarious. Polish agent in Mexico with financial problems married to a Mexican woman 25 years younger than him.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
To me the truth about the JFK assassination is simple. The CIA created hit teams to kill Castro made up of mainly anti Castro Cubans who fled to the US after Castro came to power, Initially Kennedy supported this effort but after the Cuban Missile Crisis wanted these efforts stopped from fear of nuclear war with the Russians. The CIA and anti Castro Cuban where pissed. Either rouge elements of these teams or higher ups in he CIA were involved. Everything else is to confuse us. Here’s how I know. Kennedy had canceled a planned visit to Chicago two weeks before Dallas because the Chicago PD found that there was a plot to kill the president there. In the 54 years since not one MSM outlet has mentioned this. I wonder why?
I http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9315215/
1 elephantofdoom 2017-10-26
I think you are replying to the wrong person.
1 WWEtrump 2017-10-26
"The FBI was sabotaging this case." Very interesting read you got there. Never I have I heard of the Chicago story. Crazy.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
There’s a YouTube video on it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9hJ1_J4a_U
They caught the Cubans and let them go’
1 WWEtrump 2017-10-26
"Current officials of the FBI and Secret Service did not comment for this report. Bolden left the Secret Service in 1964 after being prosecuted and imprisoned for bribery-- and to this day maintains he was framed for trying to blow the whistle on agency misconduct during the JFK years.
He believes some details of the Chicago plots are hidden in government files still locked up after 50 years."
DANG. Very interesting read, again.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
To me it’s the Rosetta Stone of the assassination. We find Cubans trying to kill him in Chicago two weeks before and the national media hiding it.
1 ktsavage24 2017-10-26
I actually know Abraham Bolden personally. He wrote a book about what happened to him. He gave me a copy and talked to me about the assassination. He believed in a government cover up. He says the government knew about the Chicago plot and still didn't guard Kennedy as they should have without the known threat. He says he was falsely accused and jailed for some fake bribery charges when he started asking to many questions. He is abery intellegent and interesting man.
1 Parsnip1992 2017-10-26
"The mother-in-law, who lives with Gabbott and his wife, does not in the case seem to be the problem that one would imagine. Gabbott insists that he likes her very much and that she often takes his side of the argument. His wife confirmed this claim to the case officer."
So this is how Field Agents spend their time.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Sorry
1 funkybendre 2017-10-26
Has anyone came across anything pertaining to the magic bullet/multiple shooters? I still haven’t.
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwiw5r8kU0k
1 PM_ME_UR_BOATHULL 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32144493.pdf
1 tinylilzikababyhead 2017-10-26
https://imgur.com/a/iIif9
1 alpengeist19 2017-10-26
Is that Prescott or George?
1 tinylilzikababyhead 2017-10-26
GHWB, Prescott was his father.
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
I don't know about you all, but I feel so let down by these documents! I am 69 years old and have been waiting for this ever since the 1960's. I have been deeply interested in JFK assassination and who did it, all of my life. Way back then, Jackie told the country that we would definitely find out who did it, when the documents were released (but that could not be immediate for national security reasons). I thought she said we would find out around 2027, but I was so young that dates as far away as 2017 or 2027 sounded like forever and about the same to me. I was young and not so cynical yet, and I believed her.
Seems like they talk about every conspiracy theory any of us have had all of these years, but in vague terms and don't corroborate any one theory very well. I am beginning to think that government investigations were completely incompetent and useless, and that they USED conspiracy theorists to do their investigations for them. Grrrr. What new (to me?) material I am seeing, has more to do with interference with foreign countries and assassinations over there, not with JFK. Hopefully as more comes out, and as all the documents are read and studied by everyone, we'll find more about those responsible for the JFK assassination. Right now, for me, this has been frustrating beyond belief. I feel like we have been played.
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
Huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwiw5r8kU0k
I put together some of the stuff found so far in this short video if you want to watch/listen. I show the documents as I read them.
2 shooters
Oswald was US Agent according to other US Agents who went on record.
There is 70,000 pages of stuff to read, give it some more time...
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Oh, I will. What else can we do? As for the 2 shooters stuff, all I have seen on these threads was just that the documents report that somebody said in a speech in Florida a long time ago that there was a hole in the windshield, and two shooters; but no confirmation of any of this and no indication that this was their conclusion. But maybe there is more in your youtube, so I'll go listen to it, and thanks.
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
yes. Agent Pena also says Oswald was a US Agent. Pena did the whole take down of Pablo Escobar and the Cali cartel. On netflix the show called Narcos shows all of that.
also the new tom cruise movie, that person cruise plays is conntected to Pena and Oswald
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Great video! I will keep an eye on some of your updates!
1 Ne007 2017-10-26
Wrong Mr. CIA dude. lolz. Nice try.
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Therewill be another document dump to.orrow of the files the CIA and FBI didnt want to release. I reckon you will find your answers there
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
I hope you are right! I am still looking through the present documents in the hopes of coming across something. I guess deep in my heart I knew that the first document wouldn't specify who (or what group) did it and why, in text two inches high.
It is discouraging to wade through so much useless slop looking for what we all want to know, after waiting for so many years. But I will go back to it now that I have had my little pity party. (sigh). I deserve to know what really happened; we all do.
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Lol so understandable. I feel like it was intentionally convoluted from the beginning. Have you seen this documentary? I watched it for the first time last night. It's a much watch even if a long one. Give it 30 minutes and you will be hooked https://youtu.be/U1Qt6a-vaNM
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Thanks! I will do that.
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Let me know what you think I need someone to,talk to about it haha
1 Vasallo7G 2017-10-26
Driver did the final shot: https://youtu.be/xhLalHJXacs
1 HereToFuckWithYou 2017-10-26
Aww, a retard
1 Ihategeeks 2017-10-26
nah guy, neither of the other 2 living witnesses noticed a point blank gun shot , it sooooooo obvious.
1 shortadamlewis 2017-10-26
Briefing to RFK on how to provoke a Cuban Attack on America to justify a US invasion of Cuba... Also, presidential emergency escape boat?
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32977068.pdf
1 hitbyacar1 2017-10-26
Pre Bay of Pigs?
1 mxt1988 2017-10-26
joos did it
1 TruthForce 2017-10-26
oh you
1 Jalco 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112987.pdf
Page 13 talks about false flag ops using cubans, here yas go lol
1 jfkfiles17 2017-10-26
I put document 32263509 into plain text here because it's so hard to read. But it talks about how to convince the public about Oswald being the killer and how Oswald wrote a letter to a man at the Soviet embassy in Washington, who was also the head of assassinations for the Soviets. file: [https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263509.pdf](file: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32263509.pdf)
1 El_Troll 2017-10-26
Does anybody on here have the capability to make all the PDFs text-searchable by running it through some program? Or is there a better PDF previewer that does this natively?
1 CastleFrankl 2017-10-26
For think outside the box, just for FUN. Not to step on any toes. Im no bot, spammer or troll. I just always like play my crazy ideas;
What if a other country, russians? Japanese? Any smart enough power, tryed win the power in US? Impossible?
Call me crazy, but this theory I've had for 20 years.
1 diagnosedADHD 2017-10-26
Someone should create a site where all the files are hosted and people can register and will be prompted with random files that they will need to read through and if anything interesting is in the text, they can flag it and it will be put to a lower priority for the next user if it doesn't have anything interesting. With the sheer volume of the release, I think there needs to be an organized effort to search through every file.
1 AutumnFalling929 2017-10-26
I'm curious about something. I've been reading through the CRC and finance reports and a 1700 Biscayne Blvd. keeps popping up. Either Kennedy really liked Burger King or I don't know. Either way I'm confused.
1 oxfouzer 2017-10-26
Any examples to get conspiratorial about?
1 londonxsmith 2017-10-26
Its a burger king now
1 NightAuditor_ 2017-10-26
Is it true that the CIA confirmed Hitler was living in Argentina?
1 EightyObselete 2017-10-26
It wasn't confirmed, it was a report from someone that wasn't enough for the CIA to investigate.
1 KidGold 2017-10-26
It came with a photo though. Pretty interesting.
1 MHDIOS 2017-10-26
link ?
1 KidGold 2017-10-26
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/HITLER%2C%20ADOLF_0003.pdf
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Holeefuk
1 NightAuditor_ 2017-10-26
but for the CIA to look into it says something...
1 ToastehBunz 2017-10-26
Not necessarily, government agencies are known for being overly cautious about those kinds of things. If you look at the recently released JFK docs, the secret service had documents on a twelve year old kid who wrote in her Christmas list “I want a gun to kill the president”. If that doesn’t reek of overly cautious then I don’t know what does.
1 AutumnFalling929 2017-10-26
Found something pretty interesting: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32403593.pdf
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Oswald was fluent in Russian so this may support the idea that there was an imposter. The dialogue is at times weird like taking in code. Thanks for posting.
1 artstar19 2017-10-26
That info had already been declassified quite some time ago
1 GhostDog999 2017-10-26
Trump says he'll release all JFK files to put 'conspiracy theories to rest'
1 mrstinkyfingers 2017-10-26
YUUUUUUUGE
1 34mississippi 2017-10-26
Here you guys go. Look at the last entry on this Florida witness list James Wollweber. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32262517.pdf
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32271111.pdf - document for dealing with data extracted from CIA files about delayed flight. Alot of work went into disproving this.......GHWB.......
1 arkaneinc 2017-10-26
Downloaded everything that was released but this is the only file that I couldn't get. Anyone else get an non corrupted copy?
"`\jfk-wav4\104-10534-10000.wav. The file is corrupt"
1 AutumnFalling929 2017-10-26
Tons of phone calls there and payments.
1 im_getting_flamed 2017-10-26
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32212596.pdf I'm having trouble reading this one, but from what i've made out there's one part that says "they discusses the assasination of president kennedy and the murder of accused assassin Leo Harvey Oswald. vtorygin(?) commented he considered it virtually impossible to have protested* the assassination, but considered the subsequent slaying of Oswald to be inexcusable. He commented "we should never have let this happen." This is on the first page of the report. *this word is admittedly difficult to discern but looking at the "test" that is apparent makes it difficult to think of it as anything else... maybe prevented?
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Try inverting the colors with tesseract.
1 Darth_Venath 2017-10-26
Has this been done on anything yet?
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
It's used in modern document analysis but, with a microfilm library examination tool usually.
1 Darth_Venath 2017-10-26
I meant on any JFK files.
1 Espryon 2017-10-26
Not that I know of but, you could attempt to.
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
It says
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
I can't find much info on Vtorygin except for some "postponed in full" files in the "DO PERSONALITY FILE ON LEE HARVEY OSWALD, FILE" record series (record 179-40001-10152 and prob others).
I guess we'll see more on Monday.
1 hpreckoning 2017-10-26
Page 59:
´´our backers are jews´´
1 piffin27 2017-10-26
Does anyone of a summary of the whole thing with new info that I can present to my dad? My dad has been calling me a conspiracy nut since 9/11 lol and I’d like to show him the most detailed thing I can get about JFK which he semi believes was a conspiracy
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
This discusses false flag activities and proposals in the JFK area. Why would they stop there? https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32112987.pdf
1 Kosaki_MacTavish 2017-10-26
And i am here, still thinking that his relationship with Soekarno is the reason behind his death....
1 Str8upbored 2017-10-26
Cliffs...
1 _Scarcane_ 2017-10-26
Why isn't this front page? i would've expected reams more upvotes for this.
1 vivek31 2017-10-26
This place is a mess.
1 Pure_Golden 2017-10-26
Alright guys I'm very much into conspiracies. Especially this one. So if possible, can someone just inform me who actually did it? I mean I know, but does the documents confirm who did it?
1 NameSanitized 2017-10-26
Hillary did it! Believe.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Been planning it since conception!
1 LiquidRitz 2017-10-26
Go read. Lazy.
It's not a conspiracy anymore.
1 MAGA_BRO 2017-10-26
Oswald did it.
What's important is finding out who put him up to it, and if he had any accomplices.
1 Darth_Venath 2017-10-26
Mmmmmm, Oswald was not the only one if he did do it. And those who put him up to it cleaned house of all traces of incriminating evidence.
1 artstar19 2017-10-26
How can you claim to be into conspiracies, yet are unwilling to do any research to make your own conclusions?
1 thatkrabby 2017-10-26
I'm sorry if this is off topic but is there anything here that mentions aliens, ufos or anything of that sort?
1 Freakshow95 2017-10-26
Did you watch Unacknowledged?
1 phidel_kashflow 2017-10-26
What can I expect? It's on my list.
1 kingofthemonsters 2017-10-26
It's very very good
1 Aves115 2017-10-26
One of the most convincing docs I’ve ever watched. It’s life changing...
1 phidel_kashflow 2017-10-26
Does it actually have any video or photo evidence that is convincing? I have personal experience with a former co-worker that leads me to basically call every single thing Dr. Greer touches bullshit.
1 Eyedeafan88 2017-10-26
If you don't believe Greer it won't be convinceing. It also has Richard Doty which is a huge red flag imo
1 phidel_kashflow 2017-10-26
It's not that I don't believe him, it's more that I know he is a fucking scam artist. I'll make the story as short as I can, and know that is comes from me knowing the person this happened to.
So this kid who worked on the crew I oversaw in a rural town in Colorado was into UFOs, one of those people who "just couldn't explain it but they see them all the time" kind of people - the ones who have apparently had them float right over their car. OK. I can go along with it, sure. So this kid gets in to one of Greer's "retreats" to a local-ish desert area to "channel" aliens, and summon crafts - because he at least used to very much promote this ability. As they are out in the desert, concentrating on "channeling" or "summoning," well golly, hour number 8 rolls around and this kid gets a "flash in his brain" of a typical grey.
And that was the highlight of their day. The entire group's day. And I'm being told this and how it's obvious that Greer is the real deal because of it.
Well shit. It only took a few hundred bucks and 8 hours of begging your superego to show you something you want, and bam! VISIONS OF ALIENS!
The guy is a charlatan either way, but is either being hung out and doesn't know it by being slipped tidbits in a psyop, or is in on the scam and knows exactly what bullshit he lucked out on spreading.
People around him might not be full of shit. He most certainly is.
1 Eyedeafan88 2017-10-26
As soon as money is involved you can bet it's bullshit. Anyone associated with Richard Doty is either a scammer or incredibly gullible
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
RELEASED
1 BaconCat42 2017-10-26
So where's the most recent files that Trump said will be released today?
1 Freakshow95 2017-10-26
GOV dont work on weekends..monday!
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
Monday they'll be released.
1 I_am_fed_up_of_SAP 2017-10-26
The missing ones?
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
I think so. Government workers don't work on weekends.
1 letimewizard 2017-10-26
Nice. I ask because my old high school had a teacher always go over this, and he makes the same points.
1 MRwantsrealknowledge 2017-10-26
Any mention of the similarities to the Lincoln conspiracy? Both killed 100 years apart and both replaced by a Johnson.
1 Scaredycrow 2017-10-26
How is that a conspiracy..? That’s a fuckin coincidence lol.
1 sexydogwalker 2017-10-26
I've just had a brief look through some of the files. What I don't get from what I've seen so far is why any of it was top secret. A few peoples bank statements and some totally illegible stuff in there. Loads of stuff about Cuba and Mexico. What does that have to do with JFK being assassinated....? I'm hoping there's someone sifting through all this stuff to try and put together what the big secrets are because from what I just looked at it's a lot of boring stuff.
1 Sallaranda 2017-10-26
To appease the public in future releases?
1 sexydogwalker 2017-10-26
What do you mean?
1 Sallaranda 2017-10-26
To give the appearance that they were being transparent and releasing the JFK files (while only holding some back), but in reality most of the documents were irrelevant. Idk. Only real explanation I can come up with.
1 Darth_Venath 2017-10-26
This
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
I agree. If there are interesting JFK files, they are hidden by so many other files. I laughingly told my friend, that it looks like they included the entire contents of the bottom drawer of somebody's file cabinet.
To me, a lot of it is interesting but for other reasons. It does confirm the suspicions that many of us had, that the CIA was not above trying to assassinate leaders of other countries including Fidel Castro. So, now that is admitted.
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
There had been a precedent for the extreme right in the US to attempt a coup, documented by General Smedley Darlington Butler, the attempted coup of Roosevelt, in which George Bush's (the first) father and George Bush Jr grandfather played a role.
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/12/145472726/when-the-bankers-plotted-to-overthrow-fdr
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Spot on. Have you seen JFK to 9/11: Everything Is a Rich Man's Trick ?
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
Thanks. And yes, good video!
1 StolidSentry 2017-10-26
Both sides buy into the NWO. There is an enormous amount of evidence for people on both sides, using different methods, to attack this nation and deprive the people of the republic they were promised.
It's international communism, using every means possible to infiltrate, destroy, and control.
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
Follow the money and you will know who is in charge and what they like. They may use Soviet methods from time to time, but their objective is not another Soviet Union.
1 StolidSentry 2017-10-26
Understood method is easier as an introduction. But I know you know.
1 Darth_Venath 2017-10-26
I too thought of MK Ultra when that document referenced the ultra left and ultra right. I cannot for the life of me think of why they would use the word Ultra to describe what we think of as radical, hard, extremist left or right. Maybe it was a more colloquially used term for the CIA back then.
Makes me wonder.
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
I think it was used colloquially back then by the general public, to mean extreme. Instead of extremely light, we would say ultra light. Instead of extremely fantastic or very cool, we'd say ultra cool. Now that you mention it, I don't think "ultra" is used much any more in that way, for some reason.
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
One thing to keep in mind is that there were some very "hip" people cooperating with the CIA, artists, philosophers, etc. and from the end of WWII to the time JFK was killed, or maybe it was the Cuban Missle Crisis, when times were pretty good, and when the CIA showed up at the party, it wasn't necessarily a downer at all.
So, "ultra" was hip, and the feeling in general was the US were the white hats and things were going pretty well, fun was being had, the crazies had been held in check.
From 62 to 64 all that changed. The crazies were now in charge, and none of the cool people were willing to help the CIA anymore.
It was as if McCarthyism had raised its ugly head again, and at the fun times and freewheeling parties the CIA types were no longer welcome or trusted. The stains of blood for JFK had turned DC into a monstrous place. Ultra had been hip, but now it was grisly.
1 Konkey_D0ng 2017-10-26
What happened in the 60’s wasn’t simply hippies. I respectfully disagree that left or right, as of today, has any real substance with respect to the JFK assasination. I don’t disagree that a coup d'etat took place in 1963.
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
One thing to keep in mind is that there were some very "hip" people cooperating with the CIA before LBJ became president, artists, philosophers, etc. and from the end of WWII to the time JFK was killed, or maybe it was the Cuban Missile Crisis, when times were pretty good, and when the CIA showed up at the party, it wasn't necessarily a downer at all.
So, "ultra" was hip, and the feeling in general was the US were the white hats and things were going pretty well, fun was being had, the crazies had been held in check.
From 62 to 64 all that changed. The crazies were now in charge, and none of the cool people were willing to help the CIA anymore.
It was as if McCarthyism had raised its ugly head again. CIA types were no longer welcome or trusted. The stains of blood for JFK had turned DC into a monstrous place. Ultra had been hip, but now it was grisly. Reading the life of Mary Pinchot Meyer might help give you a sense of the flavor of the time, and how it changed after JFK.
I know the CIA had been up to dirty tricks in Central America, Iran, even the US, and the US was no white hat country before November 1963, but I am telling you, the hope ended. As bad as it had been before November 1963, the hope was still alive. That hope ended. Whatever "good" came out of the "Great Society" was far outweighed by bad vibes and horrendous genocide of millions in Vietnam of which most happened after November 1963.
1 Konkey_D0ng 2017-10-26
I think we’re mostly in agreement. I’m familiar with Mary. And I agree the hope ended. I think I was just trying to say it was a time when the American people, although ultimately futile, actually stood up and protested. People such as Mario Savio, Allen Ginsberg, the lyrics of Bob Dylan.
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
"Bodies upon the gears" speech External video Bodies Upon The Gears Speech on YouTube
Also known as "Operation of the Machine", this speech
1 Konkey_D0ng 2017-10-26
Was there any specific point you are trying to make? Bob was never one to be outspoken. He wrote songs. You would know this if you know Dylan. He never wanted to be the voice of the generation or a voice for anyone else. He discovered quickly he couldn’t speak to people through interviews or at ceremonies. Especially after the acceptance speech at the Tom Paine Award, 3 weeks after JFK was murdered. The comments on Cuba, about seeing some of himself in Oswald got himself booed off stage. Then read his ‘Not an apology letter’ he wrote about the ceremon. Everything that needed to be said was in one song in 1964. It’s Alright Ma (I’m Only Bleeding).
1 rockytimber 2017-10-26
My point:
The months after Nov 22 1963 showed that it was a pivot point for the nation and any Americans who were half alive or more.
1 I_Am_The_Cosmos_ 2017-10-26
James files
1 COASTERDEUCE 2017-10-26
where can I find this report on James Files? https://nara.gov/scripts/starfinder.exe/999848/jfksnew.txt?action=toK_uGoyNf-ER6VdtLmmtaGpYmk14nucwtX9Z7Uct
RECORD NUMBER : 124-10248-10117
1 JustHere4SomeKisses 2017-10-26
Can anyone tell me how to find just the NEW JFK files that were supposedly released yesterday (not the broader ones from 3-4 days ago)? I want the ones that the U.S. intelligence community didn't want released, but Trump supposedly finally released. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924414387343028224
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
I think they will drop tomorrow friend. Those will be the important ones
1 JustHere4SomeKisses 2017-10-26
Thanks! If you happen to find a link I would freakin love it if you could share with me here. I’ll return the favor if I find it.
1 inb4deth 2017-10-26
Deal!
1 Scaredycrow 2017-10-26
!remindme 24 hrs
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
Here you are
1 Oseltaeb 2017-10-26
It's alleged that the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald may have been brought about by local police authorities in Dallas. They wanted to shut him up. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32164535.pdf
1 artstar19 2017-10-26
If that were true, then why not take him out when he was apprehended in a movie theater? He fought with the police. Why shoot him during a live television broadcast?
1 redditarmyxxx 2017-10-26
We know now the Soviets thought that jfks murder was a coup. I hear somewhere that France and British intelligence thought the same but since the coup worked they didn't do anything about it. Does anyone have a link for proof of this ? I want to make sure they really thought so and not just some random internet rumor. Also did any other foreign nations think the same think about jfk being shot ?
1 Dfensog 2017-10-26
Lee Harvey Oswald was known by the Communist Party in the US to be an FBI agent: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32164536.pdf
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Interesting that the Russians said he was FBI. In this one, it is stated pretty vehemently that he was not FBI.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32123893.pdf
I thought I saw a released document that said he was CIA, but now I can't find it. If I ever see it again I'll bookmark it.
1 Dfensog 2017-10-26
The letter I cited was dated November 22, 1963. The one you found was from 1964. If the KGB was right, then the FBI would have been in full cover up mode by '64. Of course, it's not like the letter I found was the head of the KGB swearing on a communist manifesto that LHO was known FBI, but it's interesting all the same.
1 NoBreaks2016 2017-10-26
Are the new docs released yet? Everybody keeps saying they're released but I can't find them.
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Alex Jones says in this afternoon's podcast that they are released (early), but I can't find them anywhere either. Maybe Monday?
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
He held up a copy of the surgeon generals actual report citing a hole in th windshield. Can't find anything, like it's been scrubbed.
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mOeXWXaM8
It wasn't the surgeon general's actual report. Apparently Alex Jones (unintentionally?) misrepresented it. Actually it was one of the released documents and has no evidence beyond a third hand report of what somebody said in a speech. The youtube tells you about it.
1 o_c_d 2017-10-26
He usually doesn't misrepresent, but I haven't seen anything else about it. He said it was the actual report and not the quote. Guess we wait
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
He held the report close enough to the camera, that with my copy of the document here, I could see that it was identical. I think don't think he misrepresented it intentionally, but was just mistaken. Also he has been very busy and I am nearly positive that some intern or somebody else prepared his segment for him, if he was busy on the Mueller stuff or something else. I've got to say I was appalled, but the guy who did that youtube (above) saw the same things I did, so at least I know I'm not nuts. Well, not VERY nuts. LOL
1 34mississippi 2017-10-26
it was an interview with POTITO most likely I have posted the document and the link along with a bunch of other interesting shit. There are many more docs about this. Including testimony of some guys at a shop talking about replacing the windshield on the presidential limo and then doctoring it to look damaged but not have a bullet hole in the front
1 gaslightlinux 2017-10-26
Zapruder film edited to hide two near simultaneous head shots from different shooters. It's not a shot that makes his head move back and to the left, it's two shots, one back, and one to the left.
1 StolidSentry 2017-10-26
Can you give more info or a source?
1 gaslightlinux 2017-10-26
Frame 311 and and 321.
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
https://youtu.be/iU83R7rpXQY
1 gaslightlinux 2017-10-26
311 and 321 abouts.
1 34mississippi 2017-10-26
How many times can you fire a bolt action rifle in a few seconds? THe highest quality film of the kennedy assasination is 26.6 seconds, exposing 486 frames of standard 8 mm Kodachrome II safety film, running at 18.3 frames/second the original copy was owned by life magazine shot by zapruder. When the film was sent to the Warren commision frames were set into slides for a projector for each of the 486 frames and dozens were duplicated and doctored...why?
1 detcmon 2017-10-26
where is the PDF of the Hitler Escaped topic? Please and thank you.
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Here is the photo of Hitler from 1955,
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/HITLER%2C%20ADOLF_0003.pdf
Might or might not be authentic, but it sure looks like him.
1 detcmon 2017-10-26
thank you
1 Trox92 2017-10-26
This makes no sense. Why would the allies organise a mass cover up? Why would they fabricate his death?
But most of all, why would said Hitler, having escaped torture and death, and gone into hiding in south America, keep his most recognisable haircut, moustache and attire and pose like this for a photo?
1 Carole4815 2017-10-26
Yeah, I am pretty skeptical about it too. Interesting photo, though.
1 Salkanovic21 2017-10-26
/u/knowuforsure
1 sexydogwalker 2017-10-26
Yeah that’s what it looks like for sure
1 diagnosedADHD 2017-10-26
What if there were multiple plots in action at once? If one group knew that Oswald would try to assassinate the president and they also wanted to, it'd make the most sense to let him do his thing and have a backup shooter around just in case he didn't carry through or didn't finish the job so that he could be used as a patsy. This would explain why he was killed soon after, he might've not known about the plot, but he might've known that there were shots that he never fired.
1 Scaredycrow 2017-10-26
Soooo where are the other documents supposedly supposed to be released today?
1 __jupiter__ 2017-10-26
April
1 out-of_mana 2017-10-26
I just went to the JFK museum at the Texas School Book Repository and thought it was kinda strange that the corner of the floor of where Oswald took the shots was completely glassed off, the set of windows to the right are accessible however.
I also found it interesting that towards the end of the tour they also talk about the conspiracies and even point out some of the strange inconsistencies in the warren commission but just chalk them up as simple mistakes. I also didn't know that there was two X's in the road where Kennedy was shot.
The place is pretty cool though, id recommend going there if you're ever in Dallas.
1 sro1988 2017-10-26
Hey a while ago I watched a documentary on YouTube that was about the secret serviceman accidentally shooting JFK. I can’t seem to find fit again. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? Can you link me ? Thank you
1 trolltillas 2017-10-26
There are a ton of JFK conspiracy theory videos that came to that conclusion. I saw one on Netflix, as well as several on YouTube. Perhaps "JFK - The Smoking Gun"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4p7DBomWYA
1 zDoomsday 2017-10-26
Anybody find anything juicy in the new documents?
1 Trump_My_Ride_Or_Die 2017-10-26
Are u trying to get me to doxx myself?
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
He threatened the military industrial complex which is controlled by the same groups. He was the black sheep of the family and got the hole in his head because of it. His family knew and threw him to the wolves. He was the first Roman Catholic of nobility bloodline talking about ending the CIA and screwed with the MIC. There will never ever be another one. He wasn't a saint but, knew some things. This is why his head was blown off.
1 invictus_excelsis 2017-10-26
There you go again with name calling top mind.
1 momosalemur 2017-10-26
What sex? I have a wife and a kid.
1 Modtrigger3X 2017-10-26
Shill.
1 AmpedMonkey 2017-10-26
Get that shit back to /politics, shill. Trump has done plenty right, and plenty wrong. We are not trump supporters here, but we aren't liars either.
1 Water_Sip 2017-10-26
For the sake of logic. There's no evidence JFK's family knew. There's ample evidence you're a turd
1 levelheadedmofo 2017-10-26
How did that happen so I can avoid doing it?
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
Great comment.
It should be noted that in addition to working with Khrushchev, it's rumored that Kennedy and the Soviet leader were discussing embarking on a joint moon mission...something that flew directly in the face of the extremely lucrative "Cold War" narrative.
1 damonroe 2017-10-26
Awesome write up! Thanks
1 Mybones 2017-10-26
Thanks for this comment. What a great summary.
1 SmoovieKing 2017-10-26
Things can happen at the same time. It's not always a distraction.
1 puphenstuff 2017-10-26
Brilliant, thanks for the schooling!
1 hamtaylor 2017-10-26
100% believe he was murdered for pursuing peace with Cuba, Russia and the world. It's a hell of a story, and a great write up.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Well done. I made a timeline from 1947 when the CIA was created by president Truman until 1968 when his brother Robert was assassinated: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/78jins/jfk_assassination_timeline_facts_with_reliable/?st=J98NTR49&sh=ad006de5https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/78jins/jfk_assassination_timeline_facts_with_reliable/?st=J98NTR49&sh=ad006de5
1 ch1ch4rito 2017-10-26
Great comment. Not sure if you read the Dulles Biography yet: the devil's chessboard. But it covers a lot of what you mentioned here. One of the most insightful and eye-opening books I've read.
1 IT_ENTity 2017-10-26
saved
1 former_russian_spy 2017-10-26
I feel like a lot of the current small "conspiracies" (including some relating to Trump/Clinton) can really be traced back to the military-industrial complex. It's practically hiding in plain sight--we've been in Afghanistan for how long now? And stocks of Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, etc keep going up and up. Not to mention the existence of private mercenary contractors.
1 crylicylon 2017-10-26
I didn't mean to this specific event, just in general.
1 mythstified 2017-10-26
Have you ever actually seen your eyes directly? Nope. Check mate.
1 flizzy333 2017-10-26
Great write-up. I always thought that the Vietnam troop withdrawal was the "straw that broke Dulles' back", so to speak.
1 extremekc 2017-10-26
Here is the page that was scrubbed from wikipedia - "US Covert Involvement in Foreign Regime Changes" - it is a history of the mess made by the CIA around the world - in support large US corporations.
1 theOGyug 2017-10-26
/s?
1 icount2tenanddrinkt 2017-10-26
im in the middle of reading Legacy of Ashes, history of the CIA, its a great book, but thanks dude, you have just covered pretty much what i was reading last week. Thanks for a great summary, happy reading through the files, im guessing you gonna be busy!
1 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-10-26
To add to the Executive Orders, look for the EO's on the subject of cooperation in space with other countries, i.e., Russia. The hard core anti-commies were very perturbed that JFK would share space research/ideas/plans/technology with any commies.
1 Scroon 2017-10-26
Thanks for this. Your knowledge and research is much appreciated.
You mentioned "we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power." In your opinion, would you say this trend began around the Kennedy era? Or was Kennedy simply an outlier?
1 GuitarWisdom 2017-10-26
This is also supported by the so-called Iron Mountain Report, allegedly commissioned by Kennedy to explore the possibility of moving to a peacetime government for good.
To summarize, the panel went way beyond its mission and did a thorough examination of why governments are so bloodthirsty and how they came to be this way, ultimately coming to the conclusion that governments and war are inextricably linked so that to stop making war would begin to render government unnecessary.
1 Jukecrim7 2017-10-26
Thanks for the book recommendation :)
1 Virtusvitium 2017-10-26
While I didn't know that much in detail, I can to a similar conclusion as you. The straw that broke the camel's back was Cuba. JFK would have literally changed the way the world ran if he had lived.
1 bp000 2017-10-26
This is partially right. You fail to link his speech on secret societies and the CIA. No one defines communism either... rather people just presume communism is Russian. It isn't. Communism was started by the Bolsheviks who were actually primarily Khazarians who converted to Judaism back in the 1400s - see Arthur Koesteler's The Thirtenth tribe. They hated Russia and their strategy is simple - take the identities of the host country and move into positions of power in the host country, take control of the media to control the narrative, and extract all of the coutnries resources through central banking and lending at high interest rates to waring governments. That's why Kennedy's dad hated the Jews. That's also why Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110. Without the silver or gold standard there is no such thing as freedom. Howard Buffett talked about this as well. Here is his article on Gold as redeemable Money https://freedom-school.com/money/human-freedom-rests-on-gold-redeemable-money.pdf Alan Greenspan also wrote about this here in his famous article Gold and Economic Freedom http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm
Really 90% of Communism comes down to implementing a Central bank -something the US has today- in order to control the money supply and thus giving the government a platform to endlessly go into debt. By doing so, it forces the Central bank to continuously print money, stealing the productive capacity of the host nation. In other words, it steals from you bank account by diluting the value of your dollars by putting more into circulation. Kennedy knew this and wanted to put a stop to it. He also knew who was behind it. How? His obsession with Hitler and World War II. Knowing what he knew, he wanted to prevent Israel...... which by the way is such an obvious genocide and was used by the Jews after World War II as their homeland ... a place they aren't actually from... to put them somewhere and to carry out their plans of a "new world order" for complete and total domination of people every where. The United States just decided, after Kennedy, they were too big of a pain in the ass to deal with and decided if you can't beat them join them.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2017-10-26
Let’s get digging!
1 peacemomma 2017-10-26
I love your assessment. Here’s something else to consider if you’re interested: https://youtu.be/5jKBlJQNtek
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-26
sounds great!
1 GirlNumber20 2017-10-26
I was livid when they deleted that. I thought about writing a post about it here, but it's just been all Trump cheerleading all the time, so what's the point? Someone archived the original article, though. It's here.
1 EvilPhd666 2017-10-26
The CIA went rouge. Why?
Were they acting on behalf of Wall Street investors? What would their motive be?
IMO it was Wall Street ultimately, or elements within the investment community who wanted to make a few bucks off their directed chaos along with international actors who had hands in the pot.
Either way this plays out like treason.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Beautifully done I thought. I was in my second grade class when the nun came in and told us. They sent us home and everyone was watching the TV. We watched nonstop through Monday night. I was in church when Oswald was shot. Still mad about that. Our world really changed that weekend. By 1968, when they killed Bobby and MLK, it was different place.
You have great grasp of the subject. I agree with you completely. So annoying to see the disinformation theory’s taking up space.
1 Redferick 2017-10-26
Even shorter? He figured out who ran the world, ("hidden hand" during ww1 &2) spoke of them directly (secret societies) and decided that he didn't like who they were how they did it. CIA drug running ruining American lives, Northwoods, Paperclip, MKULTRA, etc. he knew exactly how it worked his family were insiders during the war. He decided to take them on and get rid of the secrecy and smash them into a thousand pieces. So they took him out, and the same still run the world.
1 jms0315 2017-10-26
Because he has the temper of an 8 year old
1 SketchTeno 2017-10-26
As a younger dude, just learning the game and its recent history. This is blowing my mind and quite informative/ has put many things in a context that has eluminated me enough to ponder many things i had previously not thought~
1 WolfofAnarchy 2017-10-26
My God - JFK was amazing. What a man. What a President.
1 alienith 2017-10-26
Ah yeah good point
1 pby1000 2017-10-26
Fascinating! Are you familiar with the lectures of Daniel Sheehan? He provides a lot of good information about the Dulles brothers and the Cabal. Things make a lot more sense once you see all the connections.
1 OVERGROUND7 2017-10-26
I love that your story gives a good reason for the assassination to make the US gov look like they were in the right and is then gilded twice. It was all Iran's fault.
1 onedeep203 2017-10-26
I believe it says "I am sorry to not to have the opportunity to see you during my visit to Washington. I would like to have paid my respects and to have offered to assist you in any way that I might during your service in the commission of investigation in the presidents assassination." that's what the first 8 lines says and its dated 18 days before his death
1 ComradeWalrus 2017-10-26
About the comment about Ukraine .
It's so obvious that the US funded the maidan revolt and put anti-russian fascists in the parliament and now the US is selling weapons to Ukraine and sending NATO troops. How is this not obvious to everyone amazes me.
1 Walterdyke 2017-10-26
Who states that ? the FBI ? or some random crazy nut that talked about himself as the next Hitler (Potito) "Potito practically deified Hitler and saw him as a Christian savior of the West" (http://blogs.brown.edu/hallhoag/2013/02/26/national-christian-news-oren-f-potito/)
1 daver00lzd00d 2017-10-26
don't apologize for this being long! it needs to be to even basically understand lol thank you for writing this up, very nicely done. your "hi isis" part really got me thinking about it and I think you're right. keep up the good work
1 cinematicorchestra 2017-10-26
Hey there, I found what I think is an interesting Cable, sent to the CIA Mexican Station Chief, in this latest release of documents, dated 6 November 1963.
However, being only in my 30's, and not knowing much of the intricacies of the documents that a researcher such as yourself would know, I'm wondering if this cable raises the same flags for you? Do you recognise the cryptonyms used, the author of the Cable? Does it have any links to other documents you may have uncovered in your research, or read about from the research of others?
You'll find the cable here, it being found in Row 5552 of the released documents.
In this cable, a CIA man called Oliver Galbond — who, in a separate matter, apparently was the CIA man who received by mail photos of an unidentified man, allegedly Oswald, taking in Mexico City — writes to the Chief of Station in Mexico City about an unidentified 'Subject'
This subject had undertaken a two week training school called ENDOMORPH, which was a prerequisite for attending an ODENVY National Academy training course. (ODENVY being the CIA's cryptonym for the FBI).
The cable goes on to give a brief description of the Subject's character, and then suggests that a more thorough character assessment might be obtained from the FBI, that KUBARK (the CIA's cryptonym for itself) requests for such assessments from the FBI "are rare and would exhibit undue interest in Subject. Therefore, FBI comments are not being requested'
The cable ends with a paragraph suggesting that should Mexico Station like to be introduced to the Subject, then CIA Headquarters would be glad to approach the trainers at the ENDOMORPH training school for 'letters of entree to the subject'
• The cable is dated about 2 weeks prior to the assassination • Who could the Subject be? • There are no references to ENDOMORPH (that I could find, though I will keep looking) in the CIA files on the CIA website, National Archives, Mary Ferrell Foundation etc • The cable was previously released in part / released with deletions. I'll continue looking to find the originally released redacted version. • Given the cryptic references to a Subject, with no intimation this might be Oswald, how is this cable related to the JFK assassination? • Could it be inferred, from its release as part of documents relating to the assassination, and that Galbond had allegedly received photos of Oswald in Mexico City, that the Subject referred to in the cable is (or was) a person of interest in the investigation into the assassination? • Could it then be inferred that the Subject is Oswald?
1 captaincanada84 2017-10-26
Yeah there's no way I'm going in there.
1 Severn6 2017-10-26
Thank you very much for this.
1 tomgabriele 2017-10-26
Is any of this based on the recent releases?
1 DontToewsMeBroh 2017-10-26
What were his motivations?
1 kyknoc 2017-10-26
A few things to add, the Israeli Intelligence and Israeli international crime syndicate were the driving force behind the pulling of the trigger, they did so without opposition because of the elements which you describe in detail. Kennedy blocked kissenger’s petrodollar, preferring a gdp or gold based currency, Kennedy denied Israelis attempt to build nuclear weapons. Kennedy was pro-hitler and anti-zionist, he did not curb to the israeli lobby and he was a threat to their globalization agenda.
Not months after jfk was slain did lbj permit nuclear arms for israel, and less than a decade later did nixon approve the petrodollar, two major political efforts of the zionist federation.
1 greenspikefrog 2017-10-26
Easily ignored too, if I wasn’t correct.
1 fridaymonkeyk 2017-10-26
Don't forget that we have two filmed presidential speeches one from Eisenhower & one from JFK where they actually tell the public that the government has been corrupted by unelected power.
It still drives me nuts that every American/global citizen is not aware of these speeches freely available on Youtube.
Eisenhower farewell speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBNmecVtdU
Kennedy Secret Societies speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs
1 ToddWhiskey 2017-10-26
Thank you for this comment.
1 NegitiveDeltaG 2017-10-26
FDR was a war monger in the end. He was involved in highlevel financial shit too... every president is. But they both wanted banking reform, health care, and overall less war.
He these two are "progressive" because right now we're in a frickin death spiral. They represent a direction that we need to head in. We won't survive if we don't get one of these bone-thrower guys... thats alls im saying.
1 michaelst2256 2017-10-26
Oswald was fluent in Russian so this may support the idea that there was an imposter. The dialogue is at times weird like taking in code. Thanks for posting.
1 kingPLoPz 2017-10-26
Wtf...and you're upvoted? Is that a joke?
1 mrstinkyfingers 2017-10-26
YUUUUUUUGE
1 slantingline 2017-10-26
“L” meaning “loss”, as in give up the argument.
Which is completely ludicrous to respond with, considering you’re just asking for something with actual sources.
1 Kosaki_MacTavish 2017-10-26
Hahaha, the 60s KKK (Kennedy (John Fitzregald), Khrushchev (Nikita Sergeyevich), and Karno (Soekarno from Indonesia)) are the only KKK i have officially approved.
What if those three survived the rough 60s, eh? Maybe Cold War will ended sooner!
1 Opi8sevol 2017-10-26
Thanks for the summary. I've been interested for 20+ years and that makes the most sense. I've heard a few people mention "jfk and the unspeakable", ill have to give it a read.
1 Ethyl_Mercaptan 2017-10-26
Basically: If you are actually a good person, what are you going to do about it?
1 Agussert 2017-10-26
Yes. Nailed it.
1 letimewizard 2017-10-26
Are you a high school teacher by any chance?
1 halfsleeve 2017-10-26
What a post. One of the best.
1 captaincanada84 2017-10-26
No. Because that place is a toxic hellhole
1 5tormwolf92 2017-10-26
Wasn't Dulles also involved in the Banana wars?
1 artstar19 2017-10-26
That info had already been declassified quite some time ago
1 gaslightlinux 2017-10-26
Frame 311 and and 321.
1 sexydogwalker 2017-10-26
What do you mean?
1 jimbofiggle 2017-10-26
Nothing has changed, the behavior of the powerful has never changed. Our countries government is basically a technologically advanced feudal China.
People killing and backstabbing all over the place.
Drugs, weapons, war, and lies.
Segregation, destruction of identity, and slavery.
All the same.
It’s been done for centuries
It’s ingrained into their heads
When you have that much power behavior changes.
It’s a primal fight for survival. If you don’t have the control, someone might end you and your entire legacy you worked hard to build and keep.
All selfishness, and all greed.
It’s really not that hard to see.
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2017-10-26
In the sense that he kidnapped and executed his political enemies, I think.
Lenin came to this conclusion, and then he decided to create the most Imperialistic government the world has ever seen.
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2017-10-26
TLDR; The military industrial complex runs the world-surprise.
1 zh1K476tt9pq 2017-10-26
That's incorrect. JFK essentially started Vietnam. Watch the recent documentary The Vietnam War. He constantly let a situation escalate and made all kind of stupid decisions.
1 Cpt_Curt 2017-10-26
Please tell me you forgot to include the /s after that comment. Stating that Hitler was a savior of Christianity is absurd. I’m all for discussion over actual conspiracies, however ignorant statements like that degrade this sub.
1 AlwaysSpeakTruth 2017-10-26
Are you the original author of this post? The reason I ask is because I have encountered this exact text before. On 9/24/2016 to be precise. The reason I know the exact date is because I had saved it. I have spent a long time researching the JFK assassination and I believe you are spot on. I believe you have articulated the broad strokes really eloquently. I am curious how what you perspective is on some of the more finer points. Are you familiar with people such David Atlee Phillips, Antonio Veciana, Tosh Plumlee, David Ferrie, etc? I would be interested to get your perspective on certain things sometime.
1 Cantripping 2017-10-26
I sure don't, care to enlighten me?