The /r/conspiracy Conspiracy?
400 2017-10-31 by kittypryde123
Hi all,
Last night, instead of going to sleep early and being a responsible adult, I decided to instead browse /r/conspiracy. I ended up discovering some interesting posting behaviors that I continued to compile this morning. I've decided to post them without interpretation for anyone who is interested in looking at (potential) forces attempting to exert control (sloppily!) over the sub.
I have no explanation as to who is doing this or why. I don't know if OPs are honest-but-lazy, shills, or alt accounts, nor what their motivations are.
All I know is that I found 3 4 5 users who are all 17/18 day old accounts whose entire post submission histories are taken from the_donald. Often times they do not change the title or if they do change it only slightly so as not to break the rules of the sub. Admittedly, a small few of these examples are just auto taken titles from the article, but most appear to be copy-pasted and only slightly edited. I have also included one 3 month old account who is currently on the front page and shows similar behaviors, covering just their past few days of activity. *added four more 3 month old accounts I came across as I went along.
No OPs have confronted me about this, but they have deleted posts after I commented about the patterns.
I have included here archives of the first page of each users history as well as an archive of the "other submissions" page for each of their posts.
Make of this what you will. But for your continued information Here are some links to a past, similar discovery 5 months ago. All the found accounts involved for banned or deleted. 1 2 3
I'm just going to copy paste a previous comment I was adding to here:
Edit: also noticed this was posted to the Donald an hour ago and a duplicate thread here just 30 minutes ago but both ops use similar language in their comments: Here are the audio files. Have fun, guys/pedes. Link.
Furthermore: The other OP, Sineseta (Redditor for 17 days), who posted this same link apparently just lifts things directly from t_d, sometimes just barely changing the headline https://imgur.com/a/ahiCq. The language that op used is also a bit strange; "the California politicians" rather than just "California politicians". Like a lazily done madlibs.
Edit 3: Lol, this one he just changed the formatting to not break rule 6. This one couldn't be found in "other discussions" because it's a self post but a quick search of the title found where he got it from.
Edit 4: here’s a fresh one *Now deleted. And another *Also deleted now.
Found another user doing the same thing: DarkSpookian (Redditor for 17 days)
D: https://archive.is/tRyTO
C: https://archive.is/RpzhM (37 minutes after t_d post, now deleted)
https://archive.is/dPCfL
https://archive.is/sxAJ0
https://archive.is/F6bS1
https://archive.is/NoOXS
https://archive.is/IVrQK
Self Post: OP https://archive.is/A1mDb, Original https://archive.is/3MF4C
https://archive.is/RHWOh
Another one:Nekky-Chan (redditor for 17 days)
https://archive.is/r05sJ
https://archive.is/K5IJz
https://archive.is/PgmMl
https://archive.is/k9FfR
https://archive.is/5EdS5
https://archive.is/aRwWy
https://archive.is/675LL
https://archive.is/yQKcv
Jborg007 (3 month old, this covers just past few days of activity, but you can see the last major posting activity was 24 days ago)
https://archive.is/nFu3w
EDIT wanted to add an example of comment copying too because this OP tends to be a little more flexible with changing words:
The Donald Comment/Conspiracy Comment
https://archive.is/q6c9X
https://archive.is/4h8Ik
https://archive.is/AbrbQ
https://archive.is/eIKPg
https://archive.is/o9mWc
https://archive.is/umFZF
https://archive.is/0fYtb
https://archive.is/d7iGy
Here's another 18 day old account, Alitonus , I just noticed (found them because Sineseta commented on their post)
I won't go through every post of theres but i will include a regular submission and a self/post, as examples.
Just added!: mikael205 (3 months old, active the past few days, active 17 days ago)
https://archive.is/Fqxse
https://archive.is/LGvwo (also archived separately so you can see they copied the top comment 1 2)
Here’s another with a copied comment: 1 2
Another, to quote both OPs, “Archived that shit”: 1 2
One last one for this user
, because i’m getting tired of archiving, but this covers 1 day of activity
OishiLover75 (3 month old, busy in the past few days and 16 days ago)
This comment went over much better at t_d
The Donald post and comment/Conspiracy post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
^ 1 day's worth.
charitwo (3 month old account, active the past few days and 16 days ago)
This was harder to find because they used a different source, but they copied a comment so I found it that way: D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
Another self post, but still found the copied comment: D post and comment/C post and comment
They got straight up called out on this one, “Huh?” haha: D post and comment/C post and comment
Here's a popular post from 21 days ago that got 2.5k: D post and comment/C post and comment
PX-Bot (3 month old account, active 18 days ago)
To the mod’s credit, they removed this post: D post and comment/C post and comment
Damn, this one got 10.5k upvotes: D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
yumoichi (18 day old account)
I’m having trouble with archive.is (did i break it?!) so I've included a screenshot along with np links
This one was hard to find, but again the comment revealed the source: D post and comment/C post and comment/screenshots
D post and comment/C post and comment/screenshots
D post and comment/C post and comment/screenshots
“Source links, folks” Ha!: D post/ C post/screenshots
GOLDKUTCH - Notice that this user comments on all the other one’s posts. (3 months old)
D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
D post and comment/C post and comment
At this point, I want to note that now that I have these people tagged in RES, it’s obvious how all over each other’s posts they are.
Every one I've found so far (except Jborg007 whom I chose at random from the front page) I found because they were solely commenting on each other's posts.
Again, make of all of this what you will. But if anyone else is interested in finding more of this behavior, it's as easy as checking out the "other discussion" tab, looking at someone's post submission history, and also noticing which users are always quick to comment and defend on each other's posts.
Also, I am posting from my main account and know I am potentially breaking some rules, but damn this behavior was blatant and sloppy so mods, please show leniency on me! I didn't want to use an alt because I want people to know I am a real person, with a diverse comment/post history.
Thanks, ladies and gentlemen.
*I made some edits to grammar/spelling
Some patterns: The accounts appear at the same time. They copy post titles and sometimes comments from various users of the_donald; they sometimes make small edits to the post titles/comments. They only post in conspiracy and rarely, deeply engage with other users. They will only comment on their own posts and sometimes on each others' posts. When looking at snoopsnoo, their word clouds and posting times are similar.
274 comments
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Ah yes because a whole four (4) users clearly proves Le Russians are manipulating this sub. Their obviously just karma whoring anyways.
Compared to the hundreds to sometimes thousands of blatant ass shills that popped up around Pizza gate that started screaming about how the government are totally not corrupt guyz! And trying extremely hard to take over this sub and replace the mods. I still remember that first brigade. It was absolutely fucking ridiculous.
And now they are doing it again here and """Proving""" Russians are manipulating this sub because they found 4 dudes reposting from T_D. Seriously do you think OP could do ALL that work and not realize how fucking dumb that is?
Reminder: No evidence of Russian shilling or even them favoring one side in the election. Turns out they favored the left with their Facebook ads. And it been proven quite a long time ago that their is a shilling organization (Used to be known as Correct The Record) that is called ShareBlue. And evidence came out such as list of their names and how much they got paid and (a classic) the "Nerd virgins" email.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
11 interconnected users, actually, all with the same behavior. Never said anything about Russia.
If people aren’t concerned with users blatantly copying and pasting content and comments, essentially pretending to have organic thoughts and discussions, then that’s on those people. But it’s pretty curious to see in Conspiracy of all places.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Wow a whole eleven (11) people that copy paste comments compared to the hundreds to thousands that come in here pretty often. And again those people could easily just be shills pretending to be T_D.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
I don't know if you realize how defensive you are coming off in your comments. I never said definitively one way or another what this behavior means, because I don't know, alas you still managed to project quite a bit onto my post and the comments.
I look forward to you posting about the hundreds to thousands of other shills you say come here often. Of course, by your logic they could easily just be shills pretending to be whomever you think they are. :)
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Manipulative language lowering your opponents standing. Got it.
Yes you did. You said they are "Blatantly pretending to have organic thoughts and discussions".
Have no idea what I "Projected".
Their have been post proving this they have simply been downvoted to hell by those shills. And it's confirmed their their is a shilling organization because of things like list of names and amount paid coming out and the "Nerd Virgins" email.
Zero evidence or even circumstantial evidence of any Russian shilling.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
Remember that, each time, you are the one that brought up Russia. That's projection.
And it's still quite clear that you actually did not look at my post because then you would have seen that those users were directly copying, word for word posts/comments from multiple different users of the Donald to here with no indication that they were doing so, which would suggest that they were trying to pass off those posts and comments as organic and of their own interest and thoughts. Again I don't know who is doing this, just that it's happening.
You really are just exposing yourself.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Ain't projecting if you heavily imply that it is Russian likes that. Or if you aren't implying that then who would be the ones doing it? And why would they use so little (11) people?
Also completely ignoring me proving the other side shilling.
You really are just exposing yourself.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
I did nothing of the sort. In fact, in some other comments I admitted it could just as well be someone pretending to be a t_d user. I only found 11 users, a similar network was actually found about 5 months ago. It could be more, and furthermore, all accounts could be controlled by one person. And as I clearly stated in my post, it could be a shill, a troll, or one honest-and-dedicated-but-sloppy real person.
I'm aware that CTR/Shareblue exists, yet you have provided no evidence that the recent increases in activity are due to their efforts. I would love to see that evidence if it exists or if you decided to actually do something about your suspicions. Btw, I realized looking back at this chain that you essentially called me a shill in your first post. Reported, though I doubt much will be done about it.
Have a nice day and take care of yourself. Internet outrage is fairly futile overall.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Jee I wonder who has the numbers in the hundreds to thousands that could do it.
Yea you definitely weren't implying I was a shill either with the "You really are just exposing yourself". Lmao fuck outta here dumbfuck.
Pretending that I had a outrage isn't a argument.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
Nope, I meant you were exposing your lack of interest in genuine discourse and civility, as well as your lack of interest in actually addressing the content of my comments or post.
Again, that's projection. Projection is when we think we know what's in the minds of others but really it's coming from our own minds.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Bullshit you said it RIGHT AFTER you mentioned the non organic things the shills were doing.
1 UnverifiedAllegation 2017-10-31
im interested in the fact that this post has 85% upvote ratio, yet sits at only 426. we regularly see shitty threads that are debunked/attacked in the comments with well over 1000. that TD botnet is astroturfing the front page of this sub
1 f0r4b3773rm3 2017-10-31
Have my upvote. This needs to stop
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-31
This is a long time user, who I can guarantee you has been commenting for much longer than that. What you're seeing is a consequence of reddit only giving you the latest 1000 items on any listing. You say comments only go back 45 days? That's because he's made 1000 comments in the last 45 days. Go to this link and you'll see he's made comments going back at least 5 years, and has been active all throughout.
1 OniExpress 2017-10-31
Exactly. I remember that post. It was absolute horseshit who knew just enough to know some of the terminology but was clearly jumping to conclusions due to not having the first clue how the tech works.
The fact that people are still remembering it, thinking its true, and telling other people is depressing as fuck.
1 CelineHagbard 2017-10-31
Excellent comment. I would vote to sticky this if you make it into a post.
1 OniExpress 2017-10-31
It's really /r/iamverysmart material, or /r/thatguyIhavenorelationtoisverysmart
1 T3hSwagman 2017-10-31
This is the stupidest shit excuse I’ve ever seen. If you truly believe what you’re saying then why does the Trump/Russia conspiracy get 1 or 2 fucking threads and CNN/Pizzagate is literally wallpapering this sub? There’s an active propaganda campaign at work on this sub and the only reason you don’t see it is because you’re either a part of it or your complicit with it.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
*being investigated by the long proven corrupt CIA/FBI.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Your probably correct. Especially since their's pretty much no way OP would go through all that effort for this post and somehow not realize 4 dudes reposting isn't evidence of a Russian astroturfing.
1 JamesEpep 2017-10-31
😂
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
Thank you and feel free. I think I found 11 interconnected accounts in total. Only 1 has been active since my post but I have them tagged and my eyes open. I’ll prob add to my post in /r/thesefuckingaccounts
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
One thing I noticed is how many of the posts were just screenshots, somehow getting around rule 8. It would be nice for more high quality content, indeed. And of course for duplicate topic posts to be cleaned up.
1 kittypryde123 2017-10-31
Oh something I didn’t do that you might consider is noting which of these became very popular posts here. Some people tried to argue that 1) this is leftists doing this 2) it’s no big deal. Neither of those points make much sense.
1 nuuvem_token 2017-10-31
You come up with that proof yet? No? lol I called it.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-10-31
Putin wouldn't be the one to start it. Have you not been paying attention the last few years? The US has tried to overthrow the Russian government, and the governments of virtually all of their allies:
"The US has repeatedly meddled in Russian politics, “especially aggressively” in the 2012 presidential elections, President Vladimir Putin told Oliver Stone, while dismissing allegations that Moscow hacked the US elections as lies from Trump’s opponents.
In the final part of US filmmaker Oliver Stone’s documentary series, Putin Interviews, which was aired on Showtime on Thursday night, the Russian leader told the Oscar-winning director about how Washington has attempted to interfere in the Russian electoral process through US diplomatic staff and by pouring money into NGOs.
“[They did it] in 2000, and in 2012, this always happened. But especially aggressively in 2012. I will not go into details,” Putin said, adding that all of the other post-Soviet republics have also been subject to US meddling."
This included things like the US installing Nazis in Ukraine, with the senior State Department official (and long-time deep state operative) being caught discussing which crazies they would replace the lawful government with.
1 mattindustries 2017-10-31
Probably with not running my scraper is not limiting it to the top 1k active subreddits. Turns out to compare author's age on just the first million submissions I would have to do nearly 400k http calls for the author's age. I might still try to tackle this, but it would have to be after this kaggle competition I am in.
Here is some information to tide you over though.
Most similar subreddits by engagement
Of the first million submissions of September
For fun
Getting a list of author creation dates might take some time, but it is also probably the most important piece.
Side note: It would also be good to look at how many of the authors are submitting in other subreddits, and maybe even a 3rd degree of separation. Worth continuing, but if anyone else wants to pick it up from there.
Key Findings
Oddly enough, there is far more discussion happening in relation to upvotes than I thought. That could be explained through genuine engagement, or bots getting smarter. One thing I will have to look at is if posts from authors linked to posting history in other subreddits are getting upvoted more in relation to comments. Sentiment analysis should also be done to see if it causes deviation in engagement, as well as key terms.
1 mattindustries 2017-10-31
I couldn't find an author's creation date dataset for download, so it might take a while to actually put together an author age visualization. I might just use google's big query and drop some cash to export targeted data.
Here is some stuff though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/79y2tj/the_rconspiracy_conspiracy/dp7qx4p/
Before everything was from a scraper I was using to just pull stuff that made it to the front page, going back I had no idea how many submission exist that never show up. September had millions of submissions, so I stuck to just the first million.
1 builder1117 2017-10-31
Ain't projecting if you heavily imply that it is Russian likes that. Or if you aren't implying that then who would be the ones doing it? And why would they use so little (11) people?
Also completely ignoring me proving the other side shilling.
You really are just exposing yourself.
1 MortisOfMortis 2017-10-31
Avoiding the question. So typical troll. Dang, and I thought this was going to be a variant.
1 nuuvem_token 2017-10-31
Man you are shook! I so got to you.
ha!
1 nuuvem_token 2017-10-31
I think you're replying just a little bit too fast. I think you need a flood control timer. 10 minutes ok?
1 nuuvem_token 2017-10-31
Oh I'm supposed to answer to an 18 day old baby? TIL