(((Dual-Citizen Politicians))) Are Subverting Democracy. How Do We Make It Illegal To Represent Americans While Being A Citizen Of Another Country?

41  2017-11-06 by RedditIsPropaganda28

And also ban politicians from becoming a citizen of another country unless they renounce their US citizenship.

33 comments

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

http://american3rdposition.com/us-politics-hold-ual-usisraeli-citizenship/

1  Gene_Rosens_Daycare 2017-11-06

Must not be up to date. I see names missing. Good post nontheless

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

Sorry, list is from 2014

1  Gene_Rosens_Daycare 2017-11-06

Ahhh right on. This information is pretty hard to track down. At least from my past experience.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

That list is from the G. W. Bush years, do you have anything current?

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

It's from 2014. Which means the problem IS EVEN BIGGER than listed.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

There are many people on that list who were not in government in 2014.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

Please post a better list.

1  WaitTilUSeeMyDick 2017-11-06

You just said the problem is even bigger. Can you back that up?

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

I don't give a shit about dual citizenship. You do.

1  birdman5000 2017-11-06

maybe the entire way we go about creating policy, by ceding its design to a rotating cast of ill-equipped, corruptible, greedy fucks is a Bad Idea. maybe rather than trying to restrict who gets to do what we rather overhaul the mechanisms by which policy is created and adopted. have a marketplace where better designs can be debated, voted on, implemented in sandboxes, tested, validated and then scaled out - with mindfulness of the narrative of pre-existing designs, on an issue by issue basis. implement ways for collective discussion around issues instead of ceding them to be done correctly by this aforementioned class of directionless asskissers.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

Well put. End the 2 party system. Strict term limits. END LOBBYING.

1  birdman5000 2017-11-06

End the 2 party system.

yes it's idiocy

Strict term limits

i'll go one better. no politicians at all. mechanize and democratize the policy process. let the people speak. no politicians required.

END LOBBYING

the undue influence of this goes away if we design the policy process right. if done properly designs will be measurable and testable. if a lobby group is created to advocate for a particular design they'll still have to demonstrate how their design is measurably and testably better.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

How do we mechanize and truly democratize the process? It seems hard to get 300 Million people involved.

1  birdman5000 2017-11-06

How do we mechanize and truly democratize the process? It seems hard to get 300 Million people involved.

great question. we model functions of government in a commonly agreed upon design language. an item of policy becomes a rule in a ruleset that itself is a narrative or sequence of rules. we create tests (ie. different inputs) to see what the likely or common effects of the policy will be. fuzzing, monte carlo, etc. will work here. we create sandboxes where these rules can be implemented in reality and we measure whether the result is what we expected. people vote on which functions they think work best. we create a lifecycle wherein policy can be prototyped, tested, sandboxed, and finally adopted. we use a narrative design so that we can roll back to old policy that had a known behaviour should a policy rule that's been added not do its job sufficiently well. in this way we control how we mutate policy instead of having this spaghetti of policy with all sort of incredibly unpredictable consequences. we put all of this process online in a distributed, corruption-resistant data store like blockchain, and have regular votes that the public can be involved in. the system of gov becomes a collective readable narrative of policy rules that anyone can examine. full transparency of process. this enables accurate dialogue on issues instead of the vague bullshit we have floating around - looking at you left/right paradigm. want to know exactly how a policy was manifested in reality for a particular instance - just version the ruleset against the instance data. full backwards and forwards compatibility achieved. that's how it should be done, in general.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

non-corruptible blockchain voting and sandbox implementation seems like a great idea.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

Op does our current Congreess, have any dual citizenship elected?

Has the Trump Administration appointed any people with dual citizenship.

Give us some names of these people representation us who also hold dual citizenship.

1  Gene_Rosens_Daycare 2017-11-06

He put a link in the comments.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

A really old list. And what is his beef, Israel probably would not exist without U.S. support.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

I stated a FACT.

MOST DUAL CITIZEN POLITICIANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP WITH ISRAEL.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

And I stated a fact, Israel would not exist without U.S. Support.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

We are talking about how Dual citizen politicians, primarily from Israel, are subverting USA's democracy.

you are talking about something different and trying to change the subject.

1  OutragedOgre 2017-11-06

Why don't you provide a list of the dual citizenship holders of the current Administration?

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

Good question. Here are some:

Past and Present:

  1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
  2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
  3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
  4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
  5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
  6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
  7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
  8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
  9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
  10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
  11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
  12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
  13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
  14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
  15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
  16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
  17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
  18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
  19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
  20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
  21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
  22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
  23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
  24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
  25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
  26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
  27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
  28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
  29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
  30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
  31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
  32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
  33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
  34. Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
  35. Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

Current (and past) Members of Senate:

Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
Representative Howard Berman (California)
Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
Representative Susan Davis (California)
Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
Representative Bob Filner (California)
Representative Barney Frank (Former) (Massachusetts)
Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
Representative Jane Harman (California)
Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
Representative Steve Israel (New York)
Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Representative Adam Schiff (California)
Representative Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania)
Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
Representative Brad Sherman (California)
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
Representative Henry Waxman (California)
Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)

House of Representatives:

Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
Representative Howard Berman (California)
Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
Representative Susan Davis (California)
Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
Representative Bob Filner (California)
Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
Representative Jane Harman (California)
Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
Representative Steve Israel (New York)
Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Representative Adam Schiff (California)
Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
Representative Brad Sherman (California)
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
Representative Henry Waxman (California)
Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
Representative John Yarmuth (Kentuck

Most dual citizens are with ISRAEL

1  KickedinTheDick 2017-11-06

Good work man. This is the kind of simple stuff this sub should be used for, not a bunch of shitty MSM articles of the same topic flooding the sub.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

Thank you. Yes, let's discuss the real issues.

End The Fed

Rigged Elections

Lobbying

Regulatory Capture

False Flags

1  FR3DF3NST3R 2017-11-06

Australia is currently auditing all MPs to make sure they aren't dual citizens. A few high level people have had to resign.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

USA needs to do this. It just makes sense for people representing a country NOT TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY.

1  Modtrigger3X 2017-11-06

Why

1  HahThatsSilly 2017-11-06

All this talk about foreign influence over our government and you don't understand why we shouldn't allow our leaders to swear alligence to another nation?

1  Modtrigger3X 2017-11-06

Well i am not an extremist nationist t

1  Whitey_Mc_Privilege 2017-11-06

Oy vey what's with all the anti-semitism, goyim. Reported to SPLC for hate peach.

1  denmaradi 2017-11-06

I hear you bro

1  MrJDouble 2017-11-06

Classic politics: shit in your own backyard and then hit the road when it starts to stink.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

I stated a FACT.

MOST DUAL CITIZEN POLITICIANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP WITH ISRAEL.

1  RedditIsPropaganda28 2017-11-06

non-corruptible blockchain voting and sandbox implementation seems like a great idea.

1  HahThatsSilly 2017-11-06

All this talk about foreign influence over our government and you don't understand why we shouldn't allow our leaders to swear alligence to another nation?