Some say they were never on the flight, others claim 93 landed in Chicago (I think).

https://i.imgur.com/uUnHWld.png

Thats a screenshot from Operation Northwoods on how they'd handle the swap from civilian plane to decoy.

Anyone else can't access imgur? Been trying for awhile.

Weird, and now Eglin AFB is the most reddit addicted place in the world. I guess they just have a lot of free time on their hands in the chair force.

Agree, very strange coincidence.

The Northwoods proposals basically all include the use of fake victims... Not highlighted above is "selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases"

I'm not sure many people (besides some at September Clues) believe that the victims were fake.

You should specify that ya think the victims in the planes were fake... Cause the ones in the buildings looked pretty convincing.

Flight 93(?) into ground 911. No bodies at site per coroner. Phone calls from passengers via their "cell phones" while in flight an impossibility. 3rd tower target for 93 fell down anyway. Watch "tower 7".

This dishonest crap kills all those arguments. The coroner never said no one died, just that there were no intact bodies at the crash scene.

Does “no intact bodies” imply no bodies?

Not in the English language. No. And mobile phones can make calls on flights

Nope, cell phones don't work. Myth buster episode proven.

2001, cell phones did not work at altitude.

Thankfully I didn't watch that, but I did my telecoms at uni. Biggest issue was the fact that a phone would tie up way too many towers at once when they were unable to handle many calls back in the day

Towers project and receive horizontal beam, not 360 degree. Cars and people mostly on the ground why is directional, ps if plane at 30,000 feet~ 5.68 miles at 350++ mph ==one hell of cell tower(s) work out. Rember 2001 tech.

It was mostly analog at that point though, and phones had much larger antenna because they sucked and there were fewer towers in general.

I think it's more likely in 2001 than it is now. Also I don't think the cell towers were nearly as well directed as they are now - by which I mean the coverage wasn't as close to the ground (efficient) as they are now.

Eh what? These aren't microwave towers

It does not. And the coroner has repeatedly clarified that there were absolutely victims as the Flight 93 crash site, but he's ignored or disregarded when his statement don't fit a certain belief.

Did he say that there was absolutely a plane??

I don't think he ever expressed any doubt about that point :)

The passengers did it? They are not victims.

The planes are how they got away.

you're responding to an eleven year old child I believe

I'd just guess there just were none on those planes.

I think they landed in a hangar in Cleveland, made the 911 calls you hear about (shouldn't have been able to happen on a flight), and then they were killed.

Yes. I think they were told it was a drill, and waited in a hangar for instructions. When they recieved phone notifs about the terror attack they might have realized what was happening (i.e. the tone in CeeCee Lyles voice)

(shouldn't have been able to happen on a flight)

Not to start a flame war but making a cell call in 2001 from a plane was pretty common. You see back then, cell phones weren't computers, they were just talking boxes so they had to talk box real good or no one would buy them. Also many fewer cell towers, so most talk boxes had pretty reliable long range radios that used a lot of power, but since they were only talk boxes and not phones - they only really nuked your battery while you were talking and could sit in standby mode for months.

Now that we have cellular rotaries that are also phones, there are many more cell towers, and many more YouTubes - the cell radios need to be lower powered to cause minimal interference/noise on the network made possible by having 100x as many cell towers so you're never too far away (and if you are there's presumably fewer people i.e. Clearer channels).

Also once Jetpacks fell out of fashion cell towers no longer needed to provide cover several thousand feet in the air and it was more efficient to focus them at ground level.

You can make a phone call, but you cannot make a cell phone call.

They were the four empties planes in the air that day. Could have been cleaning house of dead/captured spies by using their real names as the passenger list.

Not counting the hijackers, the load factors were 46% for AA flight 11, 30% for UAL flight 175, 29% for AA flight 77, and 18% for UAL flight 93.

Average load factors for 2000 was 70% and 61% for the last quarter of 2001

Massive difference.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061101075014/http://www.margieburns.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/14/2118910.html

She cites sources.

That is something I heard within the year that it happened. I saw a comparison of the flight manifests for that day.

probably got gassed in that NASA hanger at the Cleveland airport

I don't have a fuckin clue what happened but I know nothing is at outlandish and unbelievable as the official story

I don't think he ever expressed any doubt about that point :)