VOTL claims North Korea is just a Western cabal stronghold that is there to act as a bogeyman and to act as a secretive hideaway where the cabal can do all kinds of vile things. This may be why Trump is pushing China against them.
50 2017-11-17 by LightBringerFlex
There have also been a lot of rumors among the insiders that Obama is currently operating out of North Korea.
Today's Trump Tweet:
China is sending an Envoy and Delegation to North Korea - A big move, we'll see what happens!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931140567089721344
VOTL info on North Korea:
https://twitter.com/KibBitzLaw/status/931307464481390592
Warning: Damning intel like this will attract many shills.
96 comments
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Partisan shit post.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Why don't you take 5 minutes to explain what you think is going on with North Korea with a couple of sources, and then we'll decide which theory is better supported by the facts?
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Lol I don't need sources to tell you tell hat obama isn't running a shadow empire out of it. This is just right wing fanfiction. I know you guys hated obama but damn!! It's been over a year now, let it the fuck go!!
1 necropancer 2017-11-17
11 day old account.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
I think that $18 billion in Soros money brought in a fresh batch of them.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Nice shill accusation asshole. And btw, this is my alt.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Because calling you a shill would be breaking the rules?
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Then 18 billion in soros MO ey brought I a fresh batch if what then? Fresh pastries? Horses? What? What are you talking about if not shills then?? And what the fuck does it have to do with this sub??
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Bait.jpg
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Still waiting on a reply.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
No, you're trying to bait me into calling you, specifically, a shill so you can hit the report button and try to get me banned.
Soros funded all kinds of PACS that give money to known liberal shilling groups like Correct the Record and Shareblue. That's what I was referring to, you know that's what I was referring to, and you're playing childish games and calling me names because you aren't able to deal in facts like an adult.
Now start talking about facts, or shut the fuck up.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Lol start dealing in facts? ! You know.youre defending a person that claims to be an alien on twitter, right? An alien.......ON TWITTER!!! Yeah I'm sure this whole thread is so full of facts that I'll write my graduation thesis on it. I'll title it : obama shadow empire in North Korea and how an alien on twitter exposed it.
And if what you're saying is true, what does it have to do with this sub and what does it have to do with my comment?? Why bring it up? Nice job of trying to skirt around the rules by indirectly calling me a shill, but I've already reported you.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
You know I actually didn't defend them, right?
You know you're on a conspiracy discussion board, right?
You know attacking the messenger doesn't disprove the claim, right?
You know that outrage is an emotion, not a fact, right?
1 ToddWhiskey 2017-11-17
Really, a Western cabal, and not the evil aliens? Weird. And where are the Pleiadians, Sirians and Galactic Fleet? Hiding somewhere? Even weirder...
1 gnome_saiyan 2017-11-17
Wtf?
1 ToddWhiskey 2017-11-17
LOL, I should have included /s
(The twitter account in OP claims to be an alien from Pleiades)
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Not just Western, but British-led. What Carroll Quigley called the Anglo-American Establishment. Always name the Brit.
1 ToddWhiskey 2017-11-17
Even votl sometimes leaves the alien card aside and drops a red pill.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
sort of an abusive relationship pattern, no?
1 meatforthebeast 2017-11-17
Drivel.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Facts? Explanation?
It would be a lot better if you just didn't comment if you're going to do this.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
you don't need evidence to dismiss a claim made without evidence
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
There is circumstantial evidence that North Korea is a puppet of the cabal. The US helped them get nuclear reactors, and frequently uses them as a boogeyman to justify putting troops in the Asian theater.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
that kind of seems more like proof the US is a duplicitous devil, not that NK is a puppet of the "cabal"
1 elj0h0 2017-11-17
Seems like it's very clearly both. Why else would NK cooperate?
1 ignorethislunatic 2017-11-17
VOTL also claims that there's a Stargate in Saudi Arabia and that 200 million aliens live among us.
1 CaptainApollyon 2017-11-17
I mean neither of those things is all that difficult to believe
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
unless you're smart
1 CaptainApollyon 2017-11-17
Ya got me mr smarty pants!
1 SmellsLikeHypocrisy 2017-11-17
Lol, its the total opposite. If you can't imagine there being things in this world that are totally outside the realm of normal reality then you're the one who isn't smart. People who only see and believe what's in front of them are the dumbest people on the planet, I'd bet my life that there is in fact alien life on earth and where there are aliens there is technology we can't comprehend
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
1 cstrafe 2017-11-17
I think he's just trying to say that open mindedness is a good thing. Humanity's perception of what is "real" and what is a "fact" can change based on our understanding of the world.
That Socrates quote gets posted here pretty often.
1 kanye5150 2017-11-17
Your scope of reality is only based on what you know...reality may or may not be truth. Lots of ancient cultures believes aliens lived amoung us...maybe they knew something we don't know...its a least possible friend.
1 WestCoastHippy 2017-11-17
Copernicus was ridiculed. Keep that in mind next time you want to claim the scientific or intellectual high ground based on commonly held beliefs.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
Copernicus made his claims based on science not imagination. it's not about "commonly held beliefs," it's about being able to back up what you say
1 WestCoastHippy 2017-11-17
Those who ridiculed didn't think his claims were science.
1 ZiggyAdventures 2017-11-17
In 300-400 BCE ancient Greeks theorized the Earth and other planets orbited te sun(the great fire they called it). They also speculated the stars were distant and not part of the system. They have books outlining to kings these theorizes and that the Earth is not the center of the Universe.
Copernicus put math to work to show this.
Guess who censored the Ancient Greek texts. The Catholic Church.
Guess who censored Copernicus. The Catholic Church.
Now the world is supposibly only thousands of years old and had intelligent design.
It's not commonly held beliefs that caused them to be ridiculed. It's toxic religion.
1 fuckyou9292 2017-11-17
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Reality is a subjective thing.
1 Freonbarb 2017-11-17
If you are truly smart, you are capable of entertaining the idea without completely rejecting it, realizing that its probably not true, but then again you don't know shit.
1 mjbmitch 2017-11-17
Bingo.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
You might be able to appreciate how some of us have difficulty with it. If you had some sort of proof you'd like to share, that would be a lot more helpful.
1 haveyouseenmymarble 2017-11-17
The problem I had with VOTL's stargate claim was that they DID provide a picture as proof, but one that was quickly shown to be a montage of an old photo of middle eastern archeologists and what appeared to be the actual stargate from the TV series.
That kinda knocked the guy's credibility down a notch for me. Still, there are nuggets of truth to what they put out, and I have a suspicion that this is one of them.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Oh, it's total bullshit. Victory of the Larp got caught e-mailing himself and posting the e-mails as proof of contact by high level insiders. My point was about judging people in a balanced, factual way that considers different possibilities and layers.
Victory of the Larp also implicates the British Royal Family, which is a key factor that not 1 in 100 conspiracy theorists realizes/mentions. So you could say he's a very good source, because he reveals important things, even if he's also a proven manure salesman.
The most important point here is developing discernment. Knowing what constitutes proof and what doesn't, and reserving judgment until its justified by the facts you have in front of you.
1 xyxyxyzqwe 2017-11-17
I gues thats the most nefarious kind of disinfo agent, one that mixes lies with truths
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Alternatively it can be a good source if you can ferret out the truth from the lies.
David Icke's reptillian theories are shit, but he has great material on the British Royals, pedophilia, and so on.
Robert David Steele made up crap about child sex trafficking bases on Mars or something, but otherwise he shares a lot of inside information.
It's also important to consider whether someone just made a mistake. Bill Cooper is one of the best conspiracy sources ever, and he went down wrong paths like thinking Eisenhower made a secret treaty with aliens (because the CIA was giving him faked documents saying this).
1 ZiggyAdventures 2017-11-17
I almost forgot who they were but you reminded of the whole alien debacle and how they released supposibly proving emails but forgot to redact it was an email from VOTL to VOTL. Not to mention further sloppy redactions showing the same.
Why is VOTL still a thing after that gaffle.
1 ethermodalities 2017-11-17
what is your point? is that weird to you? it's gonna be a bumpy ride for you mate if you let it
1 sowreckd2 2017-11-17
ShadowSeeker1499 (shillertyshill) ToddWhiskey (SuperShill) meatforthebeast (Shillbot)
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
u/meatforthebeast huh? Sounds like he's referring to sacrificing a child to Moloch.
1 meatforthebeast 2017-11-17
Your shit posting is on the increase.
1 sowreckd2 2017-11-17
pretty much
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Wow. That's a real stretch. I'm starting to think you're a bit of a perv yourself.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
That’s because you are projecting yourself onto me.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Lol nope, sorry. I don't claim to be an alien on my twitter feed. Do all aliens try to make everything about illicit sex?
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Fuck off asshole! I'm pointing out how OP is trying to distract everyone woth this shitty LARP and you're calling ME a shill?!?!! Get fucking real!!
1 elj0h0 2017-11-17
Regardless of what Trump is doing in the region, this has been a common theory of North Korea for a long time. If you watch the arms sales to South Korea (and Japan more recently), you see that they line up nicely with supposedly threats from NK.
Also the whole Sony hack thing getting attention for a shitty movie. Very suspicious.
1 CaptainApollyon 2017-11-17
We bombed nk back to the Stone Age during the Korean War. It's always been difficult for me to imagin them recovering in any meaningful way.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
Was that a real war? I thought all the wars were fake arrangements between cabal members to make a lot of money on weapons sales.
1 CaptainApollyon 2017-11-17
The destruction was probably real (then again who really knows) the actual motive for the destruction is certainly worth debating.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
yeah, millions died. good luck with your larping tho
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
If you want to contribute something, explain why you disagree, and hold off the insults.
Insulting people just for disagreeing with you is a really destructive habit. Both for yourself and for the whole discussion going on here. Sometimes people just aren't aware of certain facts that you're aware of, particularly when you remember that 99% of the people reading this aren't going to be the person your respond to.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
pretending US imperialist wars of aggression are fantasy is a self-destructive habit. there's being open-minded and there's sheer delusion. "Did the Korean war actually happen" is the second
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
If you want to explain why it's a silly idea, then do so. But simply insulting others because you think their ideas are silly, without any reference to facts is just taking up space.
Hint: every comment disagreeing should contain the word "because"
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
why don't you go first? "I believe the Korean war didn't happen because..." what, the ayy lmaos?
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
I believe the Korean war did happen because...
-I have seen lots of video footage and pictures
-I have known several people that fought there
See how easy it is to talk about facts?
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
OP posting shit like this on here, pretending to NOT BE VOTL, and spread g disinfo via a LARP is most definitely insulting. It's Insulting to all of our intelligence. It's insulting to this sub and it's insulting to real conspiracy theorists who want to seek the truth and don't want them or others to be bogged down by meaningless LARPs that forget to redact the fact that they emailed themselves "proof" of alien disclosure.
I mean, if you're gonna LARP, at least put some effort into it like qanon and MEGAanon did early on.
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
You are the one shitting all over the comment section with insults and sarcasm without ever discussing facts.
Do you want people to think critically or just judge every post based on which one comes up with the best insults?
Start dealing in facts or don't comment.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Fact?!?!? Facts have no place in this thread!!! Look at the topic!! Not a single fact there!! This is lunacy!! You realize that this is info coming from a twitter account claiming to be an alien, right??
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
Sigh
1 Freonbarb 2017-11-17
This sub attracts many open-minded people. Unfortunately, it also attracts insecure people who are incapable of entertaining a thought without accepting it, and who are able to feel better about themselves if they mock those who are capable of doing so. Guess which category you fall under?
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
oh no im so owned because i'm not open-minded enough to believe aliens and the cabal contrived the Korean War
1 Freonbarb 2017-11-17
Yo, reading comprehension. Nobody is asking you to believe anything. Like I said, an intelligent person is capable of entertaining a thought without accepting it.
What are you doing in this sub if you're so closed-minded? What conspiracy theories do you enjoy discussing? And more importantly, what are you compensating for when you go into comment chains and mock people for considering things that you find unlikely or impossible? Are you really that insecure?
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
mainly just trying to prevent fabulists from influencing the impressionable with gobbledygook about aliens
1 Freonbarb 2017-11-17
Ah, you're on a righteous crusade then. Wouldn't want anyone to consider something that you have determined is not true. I suppose that we should be grateful to you for gracing us with your presence and shitting on users with your infinite wisdom.
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
look, I didn't determine the Korean War happened
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
My grandad fought in the Korean war. His war wounds were real as fuck, so yeah. It was a real war. Maybe you should wait 10 seconds or, i dunno, A FEW YEARS, before you just talk out of your ass.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
Ya the war was fought but it wasn’t because 2 countries were angry with each other. They wanted to make money. It was a money scheme.
1 ethermodalities 2017-11-17
i dont know why this is such a stretch for people's imaginations
1 elj0h0 2017-11-17
It's like everyone forgot the famous words of Smedley Butler and Eisenhower himself
1 aevans395 2017-11-17
Trump also referred to NK as "an elaborate experiment" in his speech from Asia. Q mentioned too how Kim Jong Un is an actor and the world would be shocked if they found out who really ran the show there.
1 Joe_Sapien 2017-11-17
Who do you think really runs it? Vatican?
1 LonelyIslandIsWoke 2017-11-17
The Vatican is more limited to the European theater, and generally takes their orders from US and British intelligence.
1 Joe_Sapien 2017-11-17
This is true. I was just guessing from the "shock" p.o.v.
1 aevans395 2017-11-17
CIA? M16? Mossad? Banking cartel? Who knows but its undoubtedly one of (those) groups we are aware of and fighting against.
1 chriscali3 2017-11-17
Didn’t someone claim Disney?
1 Joe_Sapien 2017-11-17
Not yet. You got it
1 mjbmitch 2017-11-17
Why the hell would Disney run North Korea?
1 ethermodalities 2017-11-17
what is interesting to me is the amount vitriol this post is getting. you might be on to something op...
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
It's because VOTL and OP have been proven to be the same people and a gigantic low effort LARP.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
"Warning: damming info like this will attract many shills."
Lol wow dude. Why do t you just add BREAKING BOMBSHELL PROOF!!!! To the post. It would seem more complete with it than without.
I'm starting to think that VOTL and OPs account are just disinfo used to distract the more radical thinking conspiracy theorists.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
I don’t mind shills at all but misleading the casual readers is not nice so to clarify, I am NOT VOTL. Don’t let the disinformation agents fool you. If I was, I would admit that I am. There is no reason to hide such a thing. Just a heads up for newcomers and casual readers who may not see through these disinfo lies.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2017-11-17
Maybe you should beam back up to the mother ship there ziggy shitdust.
1 LightBringerFlex 2017-11-17
Have you thought of an escape plan? Trumps forces are closing in fast.
1 asailorssway 2017-11-17
He's just putting forth a hypothesis guys, leave him alone, ffs. It's as plausible as anything else... Five dancing israelis?
1 VisionaryPrism 2017-11-17
Look at all these comments berating OP and saying there’s no possible way this can be true without even discussing the topic.
And people saying LARP’s shouldn’t be posted on here are absurd. If it’s a conspiracy, why does it matter if it’s a LARP? Since when did this sub be called Conspiracy Facts?
So many comments on here can’t even entertain the idea. It’s either one of two things, lots of shilling going on here, or lots of close minded individuals.
1 magnetsandbananas 2017-11-17
Na but prob other countries past ice wall thats where the 'elite' live and have family drones on stand by prob human breading centers
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
sort of an abusive relationship pattern, no?
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
why don't you go first? "I believe the Korean war didn't happen because..." what, the ayy lmaos?
1 CHU_LO 2017-11-17
mainly just trying to prevent fabulists from influencing the impressionable with gobbledygook about aliens