"Was he the victim of a satanic ritual in exchange for success? No, probably not."

sounds exactly like a satanic ritual in exchange for success.

I'd bet my left testicle you're thinkin too much about it

nice abstract.

Yeah I'm pretty sure Joy Division/New Order has nothing to do with the Illuminati

Pretty much 95% of top artists are effected by the music machine, with the exception of artists that do their own thing like Taylor Swift and Tech N9ne. (Funny contrast I know) They are all micromanaged for the most profit possible and the 80s New Wave scene was no different.

artists that do their own thing like Taylor Swift

...? Exactly the reason she hasn't stated her political views. Do you think if she were part of the machine they would allow her to do so? Same reason she doesn't want her music on Spotify and writes her own music.

ok first off taylor swift does NOT write her own music. She gets pre-produced tracks and then writes lyrics. She then has her lyrics proof-read and redone by actually experienced writers like Max Martin, Karl Schuster, and Liz Rose. I don’t think she has one album where she is credited for the majority of the songwriting. The reason she isn’t on spotify is because her producers want more plays on her youtube videos...

secondly, tech9 is hilarious. The dude played directly before Muse at a Wiz Khalifa festival and ended up standing directly behind me in the VIP section during muse. I started lighting up joints and he straight up GLARED ME DOWN. Literally the entire show he was staring angrily at me for smoking weed at a festival headlined by wiz khalifa. He has a phenomenal live voice though. He sounds kinda like frank ocean when hes live.

Interesting about Swift - she is always portrayed as a songwriter. Regardless at least she has a voice in it. She pulled music from Spotify so she could sell more albums. Again, she has a voice in that. Interesting you bring up Max Martin - I always saw that guy as like a "what magic formula does this guy have?" type. Seems like he has some algorithm down that instantly appeals to the masses. Kind of like that Weezer song Pork and Beans "Timberland knows the way to reach the top of the charts...maybe if I work with him, I can perfect the art."

Not sure what the Tech story has to do with anything, but the point I was getting at is there are such a thing as Independent artists out there who don't follow the label approach and try to do their own thing (I think Chance the Rapper does the same, ICP, etc). It doesn't mean they don't have Management, just that they play a more active role in the decision making process. For instance, Tech N9ne management is horrendous to work with but the original ideas come from Tech himself.

Yeah i dont have anything against tech. I just havent had a chance to share that story with anyone and wanted to. I found it genuinely hilarious how shocked he was that a white guy was smoking weed at a muse show.

I do have something against taylor swift though. She says music shouldn’t be free and doesnt want her albums on spotify but then her team pays insane amounts of money to make sure her songs get the most airtime on Sirius xm’s pop channels.

Like this girl from a rich family complains that she doesnt make enough money from spotify but then straight up pays to get these songs stuck in our heads? To me, thats not art.

I guess I can see where you are coming from on that front with Swift. And I agree it's catchy pop nonsense. I just want to know the science behind that. I swear these music producers are just data miners and know what harmonic formulas work or something. Regardless, the world is now awakening and hopefully that will encourage more artistic competition throughout all mediums.

If you’re interested you can check out a donald duck video on youtube called “Math Magic Land”. I think its from the early 60’s. Anyway, Donald gets sucked into a dream land filled with nothing but math and numbers and the narrator uses early pythagoreans(i think thats the name/spelling) as an example. They basically found that as long as you adhere to certain mathematical ratios that you wouldn’t stray from the musical scale and different ratio’s presented different scales and key signatures.

I could definitely see these techniques being used still today, drawing inspiration from those mathematical guarantees that certain ratios sound pleasant to the human ear. Im sure it can be done with poetry as well.

One of these seemingly mathematically perfect songs i’m thinking of is ‘99 problems’ written by rick ruben. Blows me away everytime.

Just watched it - very interesting indeed! I'll have to check out 99 Problems. I've always been interested in that kind of stuff. Tool is really into math music as well. I'm sure you've looked into their song Lateralus but check it out if not.

Love Fist!

Love Fist is the only non-Illuminati band.

You're a fucking idiot

“Found a song” called Blue Monday... yungins.

Im surprised they didnt bring up Slayer when discussing Satanic cults.

Hell, did you know one of the biggest rock stars of the 80’s used to perform a satanic ritual onstage by biting off the heads of bats and doves!?

Never heard of that. Who?

Instead of being a dick and downvotes like others he's talking about ozzy

Lol. Just having some fun. We don’t have to be serious all the time, right? ;)

They would bring a giant laser to shows and shine it right in peoples eyes, causing irreversible hypnotism.

You will find stuff about a cult and aliens. I forget the name but it relates to events in the first GTA through, and possibly relating to Mount Chilliad in GTA V. If I find some links I'll post it, but my recollection is it's not considered solved, and it is possible Rockstar abandoned that plot.

The cult pokes fun at $cientology. The alien stuff derives from CJ breaking into a military base based on Area 51 in San Andreas.

So what you are saying is that you know nothing about music or pop culture?

Those games are a radical satire on our American culture. Have you found Bigfoot yet?

I think hip factor. I used to wear an Aleister Crowley to look kool. Now I just wear $1 shirts i find at thrift stores because I'm cheap and grunge for life.

The original band was called Joy Division (which was apparently the name given to a group of jewish women in the concentration camps that the soldiers would rape)

There are 2 movies centered around Joy Division, one is called Control (taken from one of his song titles) and focuses on the lead singers suicide, he killed himself over a woman.

The other is called '24 hour party people' and focuses on their manager, its an excellent movie starring Steve Coogan.

I recommend watching both to get a better understanding of New Order and Joy Division.

I thought Ian Curtis killed himself because he suffered from constant seizures

New Order and Joy Division were a bunch of working class kids, not members of the Illuminati.

Adam First is just a satire on yuppies, as VC is a satire of the 80s.

He also turns up in San Andreas. http://gta-myths.wikia.com/wiki/Adam_First

Rockstar always has outlandish characters. It's why their games are so memorable. Vice City had a bunch, since it mocked the 80s.

Ian Curtis definitely killed himself due to numerous personal problems. He was involved in an affairs, had severe depression, and had epileptic seizures. He killed himself with an Iggy Pop lp on the turntable and a Herzog flick on the tv.

Idiot fucking shill.

I go into Mc Donalds, the man asks "can I take your order" (or the New World Order Perhaps!?!)

I guess I can see where you are coming from on that front with Swift. And I agree it's catchy pop nonsense. I just want to know the science behind that. I swear these music producers are just data miners and know what harmonic formulas work or something. Regardless, the world is now awakening and hopefully that will encourage more artistic competition throughout all mediums.