First of all, when you say "admins" I presume you are talking about the mods of this subreddit. Sub policy is that we don't censor content, unless a post contravenes reddit or /r/conspiracy sidebar rules. This means that we don't remove flat earth posts, or anything else conspiracy related, without a good reason.
In addition to "official mod comments" (where, like here, the username will be in green) mods of /r/conspiracy also contribute as subreddit members, and we express our own opinions. These comments are purely personal, and do not reflect an "official canon of /r/conspiracy" - because no such thing exists. We do have a wiki of "confirmed conspiracies" admitted by the perpetrators, but many of these are likely to limited hangouts (ie not the whole truth). This sub neither endorses nor rejects any specific conspiracy theory.
Personally speaking, I don't think mods should be seen to denigrate or attack a conspiracy theory (eg flat earth), because it can be misconstrued. That doesn't mean that we can't make observations which we think the promulgators of a theory have not been adequately able to answer (eg how researchers in Antarctic weather stations experience 24hrs of daylight during the Southern Hemisphere summer, and/or why they are unable to see the Pole Star at any time of year.)
The truth is that very fringe conspiracy theories don't get much love from the majority of users, and flat earth posts invariably get downvoted. The mods can't control that.
Wasn’t even referring to Reddit. The only reason I posted it here is because it’s human behavior people in all these types of communities have to deal with. Have a good day
Actually, not at all. It was an incident that happened in a Facebook group, and I told people here with the hopes that everyone was enough to prevent this type of behavior in thier own lives. How that flew past you is beyond me.
The response OP gave makes me think this wasn't posted with honesty. He writes as if he's talking about moderators of this sub, and when called out by the mods, he retracts and claims he's not even referring to Reddit. Perhaps you should edit his response into your comment so more people will see it.
Flat earth is a psy op. Anyone who believes it is either a shill or a useful idiot. It's the correct course of action to dismiss the brainwashed.
You are falling into the trap of free and open discussion. The flat earth is meant to discredit this movement as a whole. We must identify these movements and purge them.
I for one, was a round earther until 2016, and I thing that no matter how many times you delete a comment from view, the commenter is still out there, there are more very day and the truth is on our side, nasa is the fakest, and everyday is harder to fake
Got introduced to the best flat earth model I had seen until then, not the silly disc floating in space, but the large ice wall, then everything that did not made sense before, clicked.
So, uh, honest question here. It appears you believe Antarctica is a ~60mi high wall of ice. Lots of scientists and laypeople have (claimed to have, I suppose) lived on Antarctica, where were they?
playing devils advocate here but i don't think the claim is that the wall is that high, it's an exageration, Antarctica scientist could have not gone inland enough to meet the much smaller wall... as for the poles magnetism, can't we only measure north and then derive south from it?
as for the poles magnetism, can't we only measure north and then derive south from it?
You wouldn't be able to tell when the poles "stop" or reverse though. We know where this occurs, as you cross the pole, because people have physically gone to the poles before. Anyone can pick up a compass and hop on a boat and put on a warm coat and hike for a long time until they reach the poles themselves. Not easy due to the cold weather, but its been (allegedly) done before.
I'm not sure why one would click on this one and not the other, it has all the same issues... finite distance of light, and different starscapes at different locations become something of a mystery, both of these could perhaps be reconciled by directional projection but i never see any of this in all the models presented, for a good reason, it would be quite the can of worms hahaha... then you got the tides, why do they like the moon more than the sun? And then shouldn't we see the wall from pretty much anywhere on earth in this model? i understand that it's exaggerated but surely if the that's accurate a good telescope pointed south (anywhere actually) would show a wall of ice?
You didn't answer the question. If the Earth is flat, you could see the ice wall from any elevated point, with sufficient magnification. Why has this not been observed? Why can't you see the North Star from the southern hemisphere?
Just because the incident didn’t happen here, doesn’t mean it’s not an important sociological and philosophical issue we all have to deal with in these types of communities.
I feel you. Same with folks who discuss the Q stuff. Some guy on another thread is getting flamed for saying white privilege doesn't exist. I guess we can't have our own opinions anymore. It's their way or Rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Scream at the sky!!
I think this community is in a place where allowing anyone to post anything in the name of freethink and anti-censorship creates an environment where anyone can post anything no matter how crazy, with little to no sources to back it up (which I consider trolling), and allows people with fiery rhetoric clickbait platforms to haul in the clicks and views for profit.
As such, I do think that mods and admins need to draw the line somewhere as these things have the potential to threaten the credibility of the community. The problem is no matter where you draw the line, SOMEONE is going to get pissed.
I'm sorry but I see this posted everywhere here and I have to ask- what 'credibility' does this sub actually have? Anyone who investigates conspiracies instantly has no credibility to those who buy into official narratives, at least in my personal experience. It seems like a line that's thrown out there to write off conflicting ideas and stifle discussion (not accusing you of this, just something I've noticed all over this sub the last few months).
Because it’s not a black and white “either you’re a conspiracy theorist who buys everything wholesale” or “you Support the official narrative” thing.
This sub is a spectrum of “hey here is something really well thought out, with evidence” to “ crazy clickbait bullshit so I can get views and clicks horseshit”.
I’m an example of someone who came here interested in learning about conspiracy theories, but has been mostly turned off by people posting troll ass shit, people posting shit that’s been posted a hundred times (and debunked), and people who are willing to overlook evidence (or lack there of) if it goes against what they want to believe.
killadrix
Hi.
If other male created words hurt your male culturally mind formed mind why not go to North Korea? or any country that doesn't allow free thought. Humans like you who think they can classify words as troll words or not are hypocrites. The man wars that protected your free speech would go in vain if your kind was in charge. You are too deep in the man story of life... run with your kind of mind and stop humans from thinking unless like your child mind.
Holy shit, some of you guys are straight off the deep end.
I’m just kidding though. You did a great job of presenting your argument in a thorough, logical and mature way. You’re a real credit this free thinkers everywhere. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻
killadrix
Hi.
Typical man words of sarcasm to defect their fears of excepting how their minds were culturally mind formed and locked by the man story of life. Did you ever ask yourself why your mind formed thoughts are right and you defend them but another mind formed mind is wrong. Your wrong mind formed mind thoughts needs deprogramming .
killadrix
Hi
Which humans a few of your friends that want control of all narrative?
What new humans to earth would agree with your mind formed thoughts? Don't judge another human's mind forming unless looking at your's. Lets see you know what words mean troll... you know which human man words are laughable. You have no idea who you are but sure if you look deep enough will find the males that formed your so called mind of others.
killadrix
Hi.
Do you know how your child man comment proves all my points? Now run to the mods and cry this human's words bother my mind formed thoughts and so band that mind. Go to a communist country with your kind.
Last question before I go: do you think your replies are productive? Do you actually think you’re doing any good? Helping anyone? Advancing a cause?Looks like pointless trolling, to me. Happy to have you prove me wrong.
My favorite is when they use Wikipedia as proof that a conspiracy is debunked. It's just as bad as using NASA as a source. Those of us that have researched conspiracy topics for years would never say "no that's not true because NASA said x,y, or z"
How many people understand concepts like 'primary source' vs 'secondary source' or inductive vs deductive logic? Most schools today don't teach these things, which is why I am sympathetic to people who clearly have nfi how to arrive at logical opinions. It is not their fault, really.
Only one? That's easy. Here's the main one: the author inaccurately describes the Cavendish Experiment and displays insufficient knowledge of the experiment. He included just enough to sucker in people to giving his website traffic. Either way, you're basing your ENTIRE argument off an opinion, one that is misinformed and spouted off as fact. Those are the most dangerous, and you're only fanning the flame.
Cavendish Experiment is legit. It is not at all how your shitty article described it. Also, he found the density of the Earth, leading to the finding of the Gravitational Constant. Not the weight, like your article posited. You should learn how to tell a good source from a bad source before linking it.
What evidence or logic? All I saw was derision. If you would explain to me the logic of why it is impossible to use a torsion pendulum oy obtain the gravitational constant(which can further be used to estimate the mass of the earth), I'd be happy to respond to you.
The author tries to manipulate the reader by placing positive and negative labels on people that would agree or refute his claims, respectively. The fact that you don't see that or that you endorse it is embarrassing.
I think if you want to post flat earth stuff here, go for it. But you know what I also think? If the majority of posters here comment "flat earth, so stupid" - then why not just create r/flatearth_conspiracy or something? I'm not saying go and build up walls - but don't let some random internet gatekeepers censor you blindly across the board.
One of the greatest things about America is that it is built on dissent. So start up your own subreddit and dissent from the dissenters.
But really - I don't think anyone should tell anyone else their idea is "stupid" - I think we should continue to ask intelligent and engaging questions* and see what questions simply can't be answered and which ones eventually lead to an "ah-ha" moment. Either for the believer or the doubter.
You are kind of like an inverted sjw (in this post at least, I'm happy to say your history says otherwise).
Flat Earthers will be welcome once they stop posting over and over the same old fallacies they keep falling for, and bring something robust to the table.... surely at some point, one of them will grab a plane and fly south...? When they do, they can report their findings in, whatever they may be, but creating "yet another here is why i believe the earth is flat" thread is getting old, especially seeing as they don't survive basic scrutiny.
Another important aspect is that this particular topic is used by our enemies for discrediting.
But what is it that conspiracy forums claim to fight? Lies primarily, right? So I can see how suppression of certain opinions if perceived to b false can lead to suppression and on the other hand championing if seen as plausible, fruitful, insightful.
I don't think they claim it. If they would, I thought lies is a top choice. Those who like to talk about Conspiracy like "exposing lies". Many content is titled "truth about. .." I'm sure there's much else we could say they claim to fight, if they were to claim to fight something. ..
It's important to note: when OP talks about "conspiracy forums," he is not referring to Reddit. This is what he said in response to the mod above:
Wasn’t even referring to Reddit. The only reason I posted it here is because it’s human behavior people in all these types of communities have to deal with. Have a good day
But the way this post was written, it implies he's talking about the mods of this subreddit. What an unfortunate mistake ;)
I personally think every flat-earther is an idiot, if they only invested $20 into a weather ballon and attached a camera to it they'd see for themselves the world is not flat.
They denie all logic and science. They give a REALLY bad name for the conspiracy community as a whole.
That being said I don't believe anybody should have their right to express themselves, their views and opinions, taken away, no matter how stupid those views or opinions may be.
I don't believe the Holocaust happened like they said it did, I believe Jews were killed sure, I believe Hitler was a bad racist guy, I don't believe the official narrative we've been fed.
It's been proven that the number of people killed at Auschwitz.
People can express whatever opinion they like, we can't be thought police and control what people can and can not think and say that's just wrong.
Even people with perverse, sick, twisted thoughts and opinions, I'd rather they come out and be public with those thoughts and opinions so they can be debated and reasoned with, rather than be underground.
Basic math, there's no way that many Jews could have died, when you take into account the amount of crematoriums there were, the amount of survivors and the amount dead you'd easily see that that it was mathematically impossible for them to have killed that many Jews at Auschwitz.
You prove to me otherwise and that the figure they gave was correct and not inflated.
Use whatever camera you like, you'll still see the curvature of the Earth. I'm not even going to bother to reply to any more of your comments because flat earthers REFUSE point blank to believe even the hardest of evidence.
Unless I sent you in a space shuttle to see for yourself (which you'd still probably deny) you won't accept anything I have to say.
Even the hardest scientific evidence can be met with a counter argument which means anybody can believe whatever they like, it doesn't make you right.
My point was, no matter how stupid I think people like you are, I still believe you have a right to air those stupid views. Just like you think my views and opinions are stupid, I still have a right to air them.
I only speak for myself but I believe flat earth is a psy-op to make conspiracy theories look bad, and perhaps discredit hollow earth-theories specifically. Thus I believe people who spout that nonsense are paid CIA shills, and not someone genuine.
Was just throwing out another idea on the theory. Maybe its not caves and shit, maybe it's a tunneling civilization, a fantasy interpretation of real life. Much more believable to me, especially when you consider all the underground work being done at the time of the origins of the hollow earth theory.
How do you know "Hollow Earth" is the real deal? Couldn't that be a backup psyop to pull people away from researching Deep Underground Military Bases and all of the tunnels throughout the US?
Maybe we should market the idea as "Honeycomb Earth" or something like that to get people started in a more worthwhile use of their time. Humans are very much like moles. Tunnels....tunnels everywhere.
Underground tunnels are an excellent way to transport goods and people without detection, especially from satellite imagery. Underground fortresses may house clandestine military facilities.
Honeycomb Earth is the model I subscribe to. I believe that is what most people who talk about hollow earth are referring to. There is vastly more potential habitable surface area underground.
The ironic thing is that by shitting on flat earthers it actually made me reconsider it. Since I went to a university and grew up with the globe earth model, I of course immediately rejected the flat earth model due to preconceived biases. However, upon reflection I found that I could not verify myself that the Earth is in fact a globe. I have to rely on some theoretical things (a specific gradient of the atmosphere's index of refraction) or evidence that I haven't personally witnessed that could easily be faked (space imagery, star trails at the equator, etc) in order to verify the globe earth model. The abundance of seemingly faked images from NASA only raises more suspicions. How hard is it to simply have a live feed from a geostationary satellite showing the earth in its entirety? To my knowledge, such evidence does not exist.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the flat earth theory but to dismiss it without doing the math and looking at the evidence is not the way of a truly open minded investigator. Nothing is as it seems.
It would be super easy to build a Foucault pendulum and verify the precession corresponds to your stated latitude. It's also easy to visit museums and look at Foucault pendulums all over the world.
I agree with you 100%. Round-earth has been drilled into our heads since childhood, as an immutable fact. And it probably is. But if you dismiss it without even the slightest consideration, you are conditioned.
"Flat earth is a psy-op" is the real psy-op. The goal is to make you stop thinking, and silence anyone who objects. The organization behind this psy-op is surely using it as an experiment, to gather data, and will use it to counter more serious conspiracy theories when they arise.
The existence of flat-earthers is healthy and necessary for our community.
Fuck off, they can go post in their own seperate flat earth subreddit. same for gangstalking and 4chan LARP. It's bullshit that doesn't belong here. It's only purpose is to make /r/conspiracy look bad
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free speech mean I have to protect your right to say something I disagree with. Plain and simple. People do not realize this every time they try to shut down or shout down someone they don't like. They do not realize that once they do it to someone its ok to do it to them.
You've got the right to say whatever you want. And, other users have the right to deconstruct what you have posted. If what is being posted is a psyop meant to discredit alternative hypothesizing in general, I believe that right becomes a responsibility.
While FE proponents imo are idiots who detract from the credibility of more serious and probable conspiracies, I agree blocking them outright is not the way to go, perhaps a few dedicated threads for flat earth so they don't fill up the front page?
Earth is round. High-school kids everywjere have attached cameras to weather balloons and taken.photos. plus you can measure it's circumference using shadows. Case closed.
That's why we need bot algorimths and software that can detect multiple users and upvote machines - we need reddit blockchained already - or move up to a more advanced platform that can't be fucked with
And with that comment, striking at the heart of a logical fallacy, Superb_owl77, as ironically predicted by his own contention, literally became a logical fallacy.
It would be super easy to build a Foucault pendulum and verify the precession corresponds to your stated latitude. It's also easy to visit museums and look at Foucault pendulums all over the world.
I agree with you 100%. Round-earth has been drilled into our heads since childhood, as an immutable fact. And it probably is. But if you dismiss it without even the slightest consideration, you are conditioned.
"Flat earth is a psy-op" is the real psy-op. The goal is to make you stop thinking, and silence anyone who objects. The organization behind this psy-op is surely using it as an experiment, to gather data, and will use it to counter more serious conspiracy theories when they arise.
The existence of flat-earthers is healthy and necessary for our community.
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1 Sabremesh 2017-11-26
First of all, when you say "admins" I presume you are talking about the mods of this subreddit. Sub policy is that we don't censor content, unless a post contravenes reddit or /r/conspiracy sidebar rules. This means that we don't remove flat earth posts, or anything else conspiracy related, without a good reason.
In addition to "official mod comments" (where, like here, the username will be in green) mods of /r/conspiracy also contribute as subreddit members, and we express our own opinions. These comments are purely personal, and do not reflect an "official canon of /r/conspiracy" - because no such thing exists. We do have a wiki of "confirmed conspiracies" admitted by the perpetrators, but many of these are likely to limited hangouts (ie not the whole truth). This sub neither endorses nor rejects any specific conspiracy theory.
Personally speaking, I don't think mods should be seen to denigrate or attack a conspiracy theory (eg flat earth), because it can be misconstrued. That doesn't mean that we can't make observations which we think the promulgators of a theory have not been adequately able to answer (eg how researchers in Antarctic weather stations experience 24hrs of daylight during the Southern Hemisphere summer, and/or why they are unable to see the Pole Star at any time of year.)
The truth is that very fringe conspiracy theories don't get much love from the majority of users, and flat earth posts invariably get downvoted. The mods can't control that.
2 LurkPro3000 2017-11-26
Thanks Mod. Keep up the good work :)
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Wasn’t even referring to Reddit. The only reason I posted it here is because it’s human behavior people in all these types of communities have to deal with. Have a good day
3 Stantoninus 2017-11-26
WTF. Enjoy my downvotes. This clearly was meant to imply censorship by this specific sub.
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Actually, not at all. It was an incident that happened in a Facebook group, and I told people here with the hopes that everyone was enough to prevent this type of behavior in thier own lives. How that flew past you is beyond me.
1 Sabremesh 2017-11-26
I think most people reading your post will infer otherwise.
1 outbackdude 2017-11-26
keep up the good work. this place hasn't gone completely to shit. :D
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-11-26
The response OP gave makes me think this wasn't posted with honesty. He writes as if he's talking about moderators of this sub, and when called out by the mods, he retracts and claims he's not even referring to Reddit. Perhaps you should edit his response into your comment so more people will see it.
1 Zetterbluntz 2017-11-26
Bingo, if you're theory lacks logic prepare for unyielding ridicule. That's the way it works and the way it always should be.
9 justinxduff 2017-11-26
There is literally zero empirical evidence for a flat earth. Anyone who believes it is uneducated.
3 RMFN 2017-11-26
Flat earth is a psy op. Anyone who believes it is either a shill or a useful idiot. It's the correct course of action to dismiss the brainwashed.
You are falling into the trap of free and open discussion. The flat earth is meant to discredit this movement as a whole. We must identify these movements and purge them.
2 auneakeffect 2017-11-26
the flat earthers have every right to create topics discussing it imo and it appears the mods of this place agree
2 saphiresheen 2017-11-26
Where is it that they discuss conspiracy truth and bully flat earthers? Sounds utopian to me.
1 GooseChaparro 2017-11-26
This guy gets it.
1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
I for one, was a round earther until 2016, and I thing that no matter how many times you delete a comment from view, the commenter is still out there, there are more very day and the truth is on our side, nasa is the fakest, and everyday is harder to fake
1 Internetallstar 2017-11-26
I have to ask, what changed in 2016?
1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
Got introduced to the best flat earth model I had seen until then, not the silly disc floating in space, but the large ice wall, then everything that did not made sense before, clicked.
1 abumubarak 2017-11-26
Can you share the map, please?
1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
something like this https://i.pinimg.com/736x/65/fb/88/65fb88d23927c1b01b150faf5ddf53ab--flat-earth-infinite.jpg
1 abumubarak 2017-11-26
Thanks but I have no idea what this means.
1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
The earth is an infinite ice plane, we live inside one hole on the ice made by the sun, there are other holes
1 rickscarf 2017-11-26
So, uh, honest question here. It appears you believe Antarctica is a ~60mi high wall of ice. Lots of scientists and laypeople have (claimed to have, I suppose) lived on Antarctica, where were they?
1 actualzed 2017-11-26
playing devils advocate here but i don't think the claim is that the wall is that high, it's an exageration, Antarctica scientist could have not gone inland enough to meet the much smaller wall... as for the poles magnetism, can't we only measure north and then derive south from it?
3 rickscarf 2017-11-26
You wouldn't be able to tell when the poles "stop" or reverse though. We know where this occurs, as you cross the pole, because people have physically gone to the poles before. Anyone can pick up a compass and hop on a boat and put on a warm coat and hike for a long time until they reach the poles themselves. Not easy due to the cold weather, but its been (allegedly) done before.
2 actualzed 2017-11-26
you're right, it would never reverse in the south pole in such a model
-1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
could be any of those, I can only guess, the north is messed up too, they have some things in the very north nobody can see without permission
1 actualzed 2017-11-26
I'm not sure why one would click on this one and not the other, it has all the same issues... finite distance of light, and different starscapes at different locations become something of a mystery, both of these could perhaps be reconciled by directional projection but i never see any of this in all the models presented, for a good reason, it would be quite the can of worms hahaha... then you got the tides, why do they like the moon more than the sun? And then shouldn't we see the wall from pretty much anywhere on earth in this model? i understand that it's exaggerated but surely if the that's accurate a good telescope pointed south (anywhere actually) would show a wall of ice?
0 of_mendez 2017-11-26
At least you get the Idea, it is not to scale
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
You didn't answer the question. If the Earth is flat, you could see the ice wall from any elevated point, with sufficient magnification. Why has this not been observed? Why can't you see the North Star from the southern hemisphere?
-1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
perspective, what is far converges in a point, also it is not thaaat tall
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
Doesn't matter, if the Earth is flat you should be able to see it. No curvature to hide it.
Again, you avoided a question. Why can you not see the North star from the southern hemisphere?
1 of_mendez 2017-11-26
I can only know approximates, but its something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85xwgCQTmfM
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
In your words, it's your beliefs I am asking about.
1 abumubarak 2017-11-26
What about convergence points?
1 MrMediumStuff 2017-11-26
no, it is asymptotic towards convergence. parallel lines on a flat plane would converge at a distance of infinity.
1 Rockran 2017-11-26
Mods, not admins. And I don't see the mods stepping in where a rule violation hasn't occurred. So i'm not sure what you're on about.
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Who said I was talking about Reddit?
1 Rockran 2017-11-26
If you weren't talking about Reddit, why did you say "So this is what we’re up against"?
If this whole post is not referring to Reddit, then you shouldn't say "we" as "we're" not a part of it.
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Because some of us actually have jobs and are busy
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
So being a smug condescending person works for you?
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Projecting much? Good bye, have a great day
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
I'm questioning the submitters intentions. I dont believe OP knew flat Earth wasn't blocked here and was trying to divide. DarthCasanova
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
That's exactly what's going on.
1 Rockran 2017-11-26
Yet here you are...
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
Then why did you post this
1 DarthCasanova 2017-11-26
Just because the incident didn’t happen here, doesn’t mean it’s not an important sociological and philosophical issue we all have to deal with in these types of communities.
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
So you dont know why you posted it.
0 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
Or you know, you could discuss it as it is actually relevant to the forum you are shitting it into.
Of course, that's what you thought you were doing and now you're just trying to walk it back.
1 beerman_ipa 2017-11-26
I feel you. Same with folks who discuss the Q stuff. Some guy on another thread is getting flamed for saying white privilege doesn't exist. I guess we can't have our own opinions anymore. It's their way or Rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Scream at the sky!!
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
I think this community is in a place where allowing anyone to post anything in the name of freethink and anti-censorship creates an environment where anyone can post anything no matter how crazy, with little to no sources to back it up (which I consider trolling), and allows people with fiery rhetoric clickbait platforms to haul in the clicks and views for profit.
As such, I do think that mods and admins need to draw the line somewhere as these things have the potential to threaten the credibility of the community. The problem is no matter where you draw the line, SOMEONE is going to get pissed.
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
Censorship of any kind is a cowards answer. You're not forced to be here.
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Even if choosing not censoring total bullshit trolling and outright clickbait harms the greater community?
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
I dont repeat myself.
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Okay internet tough guy, settle down. Too funny.
1 Tetsu_Kai 2017-11-26
I'm sorry but I see this posted everywhere here and I have to ask- what 'credibility' does this sub actually have? Anyone who investigates conspiracies instantly has no credibility to those who buy into official narratives, at least in my personal experience. It seems like a line that's thrown out there to write off conflicting ideas and stifle discussion (not accusing you of this, just something I've noticed all over this sub the last few months).
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Because it’s not a black and white “either you’re a conspiracy theorist who buys everything wholesale” or “you Support the official narrative” thing.
This sub is a spectrum of “hey here is something really well thought out, with evidence” to “ crazy clickbait bullshit so I can get views and clicks horseshit”.
I’m an example of someone who came here interested in learning about conspiracy theories, but has been mostly turned off by people posting troll ass shit, people posting shit that’s been posted a hundred times (and debunked), and people who are willing to overlook evidence (or lack there of) if it goes against what they want to believe.
1 Lillly123 2017-11-26
killadrix Hi. If other male created words hurt your male culturally mind formed mind why not go to North Korea? or any country that doesn't allow free thought. Humans like you who think they can classify words as troll words or not are hypocrites. The man wars that protected your free speech would go in vain if your kind was in charge. You are too deep in the man story of life... run with your kind of mind and stop humans from thinking unless like your child mind.
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Holy shit, some of you guys are straight off the deep end.
I’m just kidding though. You did a great job of presenting your argument in a thorough, logical and mature way. You’re a real credit this free thinkers everywhere. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻
1 Lillly123 2017-11-26
killadrix Hi. Typical man words of sarcasm to defect their fears of excepting how their minds were culturally mind formed and locked by the man story of life. Did you ever ask yourself why your mind formed thoughts are right and you defend them but another mind formed mind is wrong. Your wrong mind formed mind thoughts needs deprogramming .
1 Lillly123 2017-11-26
killadrix Hi. Repetition is best left to parrots who speak but know not what their sounds mean sounds mean sounds mean.
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
And this is how people from this community ended up getting laughed at on TMOR.
1 Lillly123 2017-11-26
killadrix Hi Which humans a few of your friends that want control of all narrative? What new humans to earth would agree with your mind formed thoughts? Don't judge another human's mind forming unless looking at your's. Lets see you know what words mean troll... you know which human man words are laughable. You have no idea who you are but sure if you look deep enough will find the males that formed your so called mind of others.
1 Lillly123 2017-11-26
killadrix Hi. Do you know how your child man comment proves all my points? Now run to the mods and cry this human's words bother my mind formed thoughts and so band that mind. Go to a communist country with your kind.
2 killadrix 2017-11-26
Last question before I go: do you think your replies are productive? Do you actually think you’re doing any good? Helping anyone? Advancing a cause?Looks like pointless trolling, to me. Happy to have you prove me wrong.
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1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Okay, trolling. Gotcha. Enjoy. Don’t bother responding with your fake ass bullshit trolling replies, I won’t be reading it.
1 BillNyeScienceLies 2017-11-26
My favorite is when they use Wikipedia as proof that a conspiracy is debunked. It's just as bad as using NASA as a source. Those of us that have researched conspiracy topics for years would never say "no that's not true because NASA said x,y, or z"
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
How many people understand concepts like 'primary source' vs 'secondary source' or inductive vs deductive logic? Most schools today don't teach these things, which is why I am sympathetic to people who clearly have nfi how to arrive at logical opinions. It is not their fault, really.
1 SixVISix 2017-11-26
Flat Earth is a bullshit psy-op but no one blocks it from being posted here, the links are just ridiculed.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
This may well be true; the question is, does this mean that we live on a giant spinning ball?
Does it mean that the 'experts' can weigh the moon with a rudimentary device in a shed?
Would be nice to see some open dialogue about these matters rather than petty 'it is flat lol' vs 'flat earth is bullcrap lol'
2 RMFN 2017-11-26
Why do you think our celestial body would be different form others we see?
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Which others?
1 RMFN 2017-11-26
The moon.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
The earth is definitely not the moon, bro.
1 RMFN 2017-11-26
And all for other spherical planets?
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
How do you know they are spherical?
Those silly, obviously-CGI images from NASA?
1 RMFN 2017-11-26
Lol. I can see Jupiter clearly with my personal telescope. It's round. The moon very round.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Round, sure. Spherical? Different kettle of fish, bro.
1 facelessnature 2017-11-26
Poorly written article. I'll look more into the Cavendish Experiment, but fuck, stop reading and sharing shitty articles like that.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Name one factual or logical error in it.
1 facelessnature 2017-11-26
Only one? That's easy. Here's the main one: the author inaccurately describes the Cavendish Experiment and displays insufficient knowledge of the experiment. He included just enough to sucker in people to giving his website traffic. Either way, you're basing your ENTIRE argument off an opinion, one that is misinformed and spouted off as fact. Those are the most dangerous, and you're only fanning the flame.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
How? Be specific.
1 facelessnature 2017-11-26
Cavendish Experiment is legit. It is not at all how your shitty article described it. Also, he found the density of the Earth, leading to the finding of the Gravitational Constant. Not the weight, like your article posited. You should learn how to tell a good source from a bad source before linking it.
Edit: links: http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2010.web.dir/Smith_Elliot/Cav_World.html https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/cavendish-experiment
2 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
Holy shit the effort put into ridiculing a torsion pendulum. That article was the most blatantly biased thing I've ever read.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Are there any errors in the article's evidence or logic?
Or is simply a case of it hurt your feelings?
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
What evidence or logic? All I saw was derision. If you would explain to me the logic of why it is impossible to use a torsion pendulum oy obtain the gravitational constant(which can further be used to estimate the mass of the earth), I'd be happy to respond to you.
1 facelessnature 2017-11-26
Don't bother wasting your time. That guy gets his facts from opinions, which is clearly shown in his original comment.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Ad hominem attacks? Just because you don't like what the author has to say? Come on, you can do better than that.
1 facelessnature 2017-11-26
The author tries to manipulate the reader by placing positive and negative labels on people that would agree or refute his claims, respectively. The fact that you don't see that or that you endorse it is embarrassing.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
So no actual errors in evidence or logic, then.
1 TanMustardFistbump 2017-11-26
I think if you want to post flat earth stuff here, go for it. But you know what I also think? If the majority of posters here comment "flat earth, so stupid" - then why not just create r/flatearth_conspiracy or something? I'm not saying go and build up walls - but don't let some random internet gatekeepers censor you blindly across the board.
One of the greatest things about America is that it is built on dissent. So start up your own subreddit and dissent from the dissenters.
But really - I don't think anyone should tell anyone else their idea is "stupid" - I think we should continue to ask intelligent and engaging questions* and see what questions simply can't be answered and which ones eventually lead to an "ah-ha" moment. Either for the believer or the doubter.
1 actualzed 2017-11-26
You are kind of like an inverted sjw (in this post at least, I'm happy to say your history says otherwise).
Flat Earthers will be welcome once they stop posting over and over the same old fallacies they keep falling for, and bring something robust to the table.... surely at some point, one of them will grab a plane and fly south...? When they do, they can report their findings in, whatever they may be, but creating "yet another here is why i believe the earth is flat" thread is getting old, especially seeing as they don't survive basic scrutiny.
Another important aspect is that this particular topic is used by our enemies for discrediting.
1 phunnypunny 2017-11-26
But what is it that conspiracy forums claim to fight? Lies primarily, right? So I can see how suppression of certain opinions if perceived to b false can lead to suppression and on the other hand championing if seen as plausible, fruitful, insightful.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Do conspiracy forums claim to 'fight lies'? Sounds like trying to have a 'war on terror'.
1 phunnypunny 2017-11-26
I don't think they claim it. If they would, I thought lies is a top choice. Those who like to talk about Conspiracy like "exposing lies". Many content is titled "truth about. .." I'm sure there's much else we could say they claim to fight, if they were to claim to fight something. ..
What do you have in mind?
1 Enok-Stroth 2017-11-26
Are we fighting or are we seeking the truth?
1 phunnypunny 2017-11-26
Not necessarily opposed ideas. . . Figures of speech.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-11-26
It's important to note: when OP talks about "conspiracy forums," he is not referring to Reddit. This is what he said in response to the mod above:
But the way this post was written, it implies he's talking about the mods of this subreddit. What an unfortunate mistake ;)
1 R1CK3O 2017-11-26
Totally agree with you.
I personally think every flat-earther is an idiot, if they only invested $20 into a weather ballon and attached a camera to it they'd see for themselves the world is not flat.
They denie all logic and science. They give a REALLY bad name for the conspiracy community as a whole.
That being said I don't believe anybody should have their right to express themselves, their views and opinions, taken away, no matter how stupid those views or opinions may be.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
What if heir opinion is that the Holohoax never happened?
Watch ten minutes of this and tell me you still believe.
1 R1CK3O 2017-11-26
What's your point exactly?
I don't believe the Holocaust happened like they said it did, I believe Jews were killed sure, I believe Hitler was a bad racist guy, I don't believe the official narrative we've been fed.
It's been proven that the number of people killed at Auschwitz.
People can express whatever opinion they like, we can't be thought police and control what people can and can not think and say that's just wrong.
Even people with perverse, sick, twisted thoughts and opinions, I'd rather they come out and be public with those thoughts and opinions so they can be debated and reasoned with, rather than be underground.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
Proven by who? And how did they prove it?
1 R1CK3O 2017-11-26
Basic math, there's no way that many Jews could have died, when you take into account the amount of crematoriums there were, the amount of survivors and the amount dead you'd easily see that that it was mathematically impossible for them to have killed that many Jews at Auschwitz.
You prove to me otherwise and that the figure they gave was correct and not inflated.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
I don't actually believe in the official holohoax narrative.
Watch the video I linked to at the top of this comment chain.
1 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-11-26
You mean a GoPro camera with a fisheye lens, don't you?
Sure pal. Great debunking you got there.
1 R1CK3O 2017-11-26
Use whatever camera you like, you'll still see the curvature of the Earth. I'm not even going to bother to reply to any more of your comments because flat earthers REFUSE point blank to believe even the hardest of evidence.
Unless I sent you in a space shuttle to see for yourself (which you'd still probably deny) you won't accept anything I have to say.
Even the hardest scientific evidence can be met with a counter argument which means anybody can believe whatever they like, it doesn't make you right.
My point was, no matter how stupid I think people like you are, I still believe you have a right to air those stupid views. Just like you think my views and opinions are stupid, I still have a right to air them.
-3 LuketheDiggerJr 2017-11-26
$20 dollar balloons and GoPro cameras haha HAHA LOLLLOLL ROFL
Peace out bro!
1 sock_lover 2017-11-26
I only speak for myself but I believe flat earth is a psy-op to make conspiracy theories look bad, and perhaps discredit hollow earth-theories specifically. Thus I believe people who spout that nonsense are paid CIA shills, and not someone genuine.
8 ScarpaDiem 2017-11-26
Lololol, this is fucking hilarious. "Flat earth is a psy-op, but oh dear me, hollow earth is certainly real." Two sides of the stupid coin.
4 DrSultanPhDD 2017-11-26
government literally has thousands and thousands of square miles of underground bunkers...and hollow earth is fake?
O
K
:)
1 octodo 2017-11-26
Tunnels exist, checkmate hollow earth deniers!
1 DrSultanPhDD 2017-11-26
Was just throwing out another idea on the theory. Maybe its not caves and shit, maybe it's a tunneling civilization, a fantasy interpretation of real life. Much more believable to me, especially when you consider all the underground work being done at the time of the origins of the hollow earth theory.
1 MrMediumStuff 2017-11-26
Wal-Mart literally has 661,752,000 square feet of retail space. Everyday Low Prices Earth confirmed!
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-11-26
How do you know "Hollow Earth" is the real deal? Couldn't that be a backup psyop to pull people away from researching Deep Underground Military Bases and all of the tunnels throughout the US?
1 sock_lover 2017-11-26
I don't know it is the real deal?
2 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-11-26
Maybe we should market the idea as "Honeycomb Earth" or something like that to get people started in a more worthwhile use of their time. Humans are very much like moles. Tunnels....tunnels everywhere.
Underground tunnels are an excellent way to transport goods and people without detection, especially from satellite imagery. Underground fortresses may house clandestine military facilities.
10 Secret Submarine Bases Hidden in Plain Sight
The Cheyenne Mountain Complex is a military installation and defensive bunker located in Colorado Springs, Colorado at the Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station. The complex was built under 2,000 feet of granite on 5 acres.
8 Mysterious Underground Cities
Secret underground bunkers and tunnels in Italy for the Italian mafia
Underground city and slave tunnels are discovered beneath Emperor Hadrian's Villa in Rome
2 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
Honeycomb Earth is the model I subscribe to. I believe that is what most people who talk about hollow earth are referring to. There is vastly more potential habitable surface area underground.
-1 Knowledgefist 2017-11-26
HAHAHA!!!
Flat Earth? Yea, that's BS man. It's just a psy-op to make hollow earther's look bad.
1 lawofconfusion 2017-11-26
The ironic thing is that by shitting on flat earthers it actually made me reconsider it. Since I went to a university and grew up with the globe earth model, I of course immediately rejected the flat earth model due to preconceived biases. However, upon reflection I found that I could not verify myself that the Earth is in fact a globe. I have to rely on some theoretical things (a specific gradient of the atmosphere's index of refraction) or evidence that I haven't personally witnessed that could easily be faked (space imagery, star trails at the equator, etc) in order to verify the globe earth model. The abundance of seemingly faked images from NASA only raises more suspicions. How hard is it to simply have a live feed from a geostationary satellite showing the earth in its entirety? To my knowledge, such evidence does not exist.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the flat earth theory but to dismiss it without doing the math and looking at the evidence is not the way of a truly open minded investigator. Nothing is as it seems.
3 ScarpaDiem 2017-11-26
How about flying in a fucking plane? Or walk one direction until you hit an edge?
3 MrMediumStuff 2017-11-26
I kind of feel like I should shit on critical thinking so that you will reconsider it.
2 saphiresheen 2017-11-26
It would be super easy to build a Foucault pendulum and verify the precession corresponds to your stated latitude. It's also easy to visit museums and look at Foucault pendulums all over the world.
1 Knowledgefist 2017-11-26
Wouldn't it be way easier to prove that the Earth was flat? But no one seems to have done that.
However, there is plentiful evidence that the Earth is spherical. Yet for some reason it's suspicious?
1 lawofconfusion 2017-11-26
Its suspicious that NASA fakes tons of photos of the Earth. That doesn't mean the Earth is flat, though.
1 BioluminescentDesk 2017-11-26
I agree with you 100%. Round-earth has been drilled into our heads since childhood, as an immutable fact. And it probably is. But if you dismiss it without even the slightest consideration, you are conditioned.
"Flat earth is a psy-op" is the real psy-op. The goal is to make you stop thinking, and silence anyone who objects. The organization behind this psy-op is surely using it as an experiment, to gather data, and will use it to counter more serious conspiracy theories when they arise.
The existence of flat-earthers is healthy and necessary for our community.
1 stalks-the-north 2017-11-26
Fuck off, they can go post in their own seperate flat earth subreddit. same for gangstalking and 4chan LARP. It's bullshit that doesn't belong here. It's only purpose is to make /r/conspiracy look bad
1 Ransom68 2017-11-26
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free speech mean I have to protect your right to say something I disagree with. Plain and simple. People do not realize this every time they try to shut down or shout down someone they don't like. They do not realize that once they do it to someone its ok to do it to them.
1 LoganLinthicum 2017-11-26
You've got the right to say whatever you want. And, other users have the right to deconstruct what you have posted. If what is being posted is a psyop meant to discredit alternative hypothesizing in general, I believe that right becomes a responsibility.
1 T-14 2017-11-26
While FE proponents imo are idiots who detract from the credibility of more serious and probable conspiracies, I agree blocking them outright is not the way to go, perhaps a few dedicated threads for flat earth so they don't fill up the front page?
1 Johnny_Oldschool 2017-11-26
Earth is round. High-school kids everywjere have attached cameras to weather balloons and taken.photos. plus you can measure it's circumference using shadows. Case closed.
Let's spend our energy on better things.
1 Janoz 2017-11-26
I agree with you 100%. THe more different opinions and healthy debades going on, without silencing sides, the better and the harder to push an agenda.
1 GlipGlopSuperMop 2017-11-26
That's why we need bot algorimths and software that can detect multiple users and upvote machines - we need reddit blockchained already - or move up to a more advanced platform that can't be fucked with
1 theawesomethatis 2017-11-26
The flat earth thing is just to flood this place with noise.
kinda getting tired of it.
Also doesn't help it's amazingly stupid and disproved in millions of ways.
Shame on people for not wanting to wade thru tons of stupid fake shit eh?
1 Superb_owl77 2017-11-26
Every thing becomes what it claims to fight through a perspective externalization of their internal misidentification.
1 MrMediumStuff 2017-11-26
And with that comment, striking at the heart of a logical fallacy, Superb_owl77, as ironically predicted by his own contention, literally became a logical fallacy.
(upvoted)
1 ramblinray 2017-11-26
so if i block you i become a trillion dollar banker sweet everyone on reddit is getting blocked
1 agent570358201 2017-11-26
I generally agree with you, but if you spent a little more time here I think you'd start to recognize the patterns. FE is not an organic movement IMO.
1 bizmarxie 2017-11-26
I have been banned from t_d AND t_congress and latestagecapitalism among other subs for my behavior off of their sub.
So much for "free speech"
1 MrBeerDrinker 2017-11-26
Well I got shadow banned for asking questions about peoples unfounded claims so.....
1 EEarts 2017-11-26
Amen Brother!
1 amdzealot 2017-11-26
Thank you for your concern.
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Even if choosing not censoring total bullshit trolling and outright clickbait harms the greater community?
1 killadrix 2017-11-26
Okay internet tough guy, settle down. Too funny.
3 ScarpaDiem 2017-11-26
How about flying in a fucking plane? Or walk one direction until you hit an edge?
3 MrMediumStuff 2017-11-26
I kind of feel like I should shit on critical thinking so that you will reconsider it.
2 saphiresheen 2017-11-26
It would be super easy to build a Foucault pendulum and verify the precession corresponds to your stated latitude. It's also easy to visit museums and look at Foucault pendulums all over the world.
1 Knowledgefist 2017-11-26
Wouldn't it be way easier to prove that the Earth was flat? But no one seems to have done that.
However, there is plentiful evidence that the Earth is spherical. Yet for some reason it's suspicious?
1 BioluminescentDesk 2017-11-26
I agree with you 100%. Round-earth has been drilled into our heads since childhood, as an immutable fact. And it probably is. But if you dismiss it without even the slightest consideration, you are conditioned.
"Flat earth is a psy-op" is the real psy-op. The goal is to make you stop thinking, and silence anyone who objects. The organization behind this psy-op is surely using it as an experiment, to gather data, and will use it to counter more serious conspiracy theories when they arise.
The existence of flat-earthers is healthy and necessary for our community.
1 RMFN 2017-11-26
The moon.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-11-26
I don't actually believe in the official holohoax narrative.
Watch the video I linked to at the top of this comment chain.