Vegas shooting question
9 2017-11-28 by robthebot
Can someone explain to me if anyone actually died in and if the shooter was real or a deceased person from the vegas shooting? I saw the video where someone literally said "no one is actually hurt" so I'm just confused. I see different explanations and theories everywhere.
*EDIT: Please don't down vote and be mean. I was just hoping for a few theories that are short and to the point that I can compare with what I've seen.
25 comments
1 Scoobydoo1q 2017-11-28
I think it all depends on what you believe some people think the whole thing was staged.. Have a dig around there is plenty of theories and videos
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
I have been since it happened, and for the past 2 hours.
1 fat_earther 2017-11-28
Therein lies the problem. If there was one perfectly logical conclusion, we wouldn't be discussing it here. Although the earth is round, so maybe I'm wrong.
1 Scoobydoo1q 2017-11-28
Then make your own conclusions the official narrative is that people died I think that's the only bit that they haven't changed their mind on.. There is videos with bullet wounds etc etc but some people think these were faked too and were actors.. Personally I do believe people got shot
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
I mean, is the general theory that ISIS was responsible, but that is not the narrative authorities want to circulate?
1 Scoobydoo1q 2017-11-28
Not from what I read I haven't really seen many people thinking it was ISIS.. The official story is that he was just a dude who snapped they don't really seem to have anything else to try and sell everybody now. Time will tell and the truth will come out at some point . It's a very strange one indeed
1 TradeSekrat 2017-11-28
No, that's hardly even brought up. I personally think the event is what it looks like as far as Paddock just shot up the place being the effort and skill needed to pull off what he did is so very low.
Yet even that's a guess being we honestly have almost nothing to work with fact wise, everyone (myself included) is just guessing at this point. The information lock down has been amazing if you think about it. This high profile of a case and......... nothing.
I think the only thing the majority of people agree on is that Campos (the guard) looks rather incompetent and a little sketchy over all as far as his story, his actions, his travels and that lame interview. The Ellen interview was just terrible and either a pure pay off or maybe another layer of MGM damage control. The local Vegas PD also seems to be in over their head as far as the investigation goes. I also think a majority of people think MGM screwed up some where along the line liability wise. Maybe not in a direct "your fault" sort of way but enough to be in panic mode about it.
1 Iwillnotbeaslave 2017-11-28
I don't think ISIS has anything to do with this, as for people being hurt, just last night I found a clip where you clearly see a woman right in front of the stage take a bullet to the head and drop. People were hurt.
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
link please
1 RatsuMacKinnon 2017-11-28
I don't know the most about it, but therin lies the very problem. People don't know what to think, believe, or trust. It often comes down to the ideology behind a claim, not the claim itself. People have often been driven this way, but never before has there been such a plethora of fast-moving information and propagation of claims.
1 swordofdamocles42 2017-11-28
my belief is that no one died... but i'm very happy to look at evidence.
the fact i have to dig to find evidence (or lack of) speaks volumes. also i know 4 channels that were deleted or suspended for talking about it being a hox also speaks volumes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cndOsUE8yi4&feature=youtu.be
it was a hoax or even more fucky than that. maybe we will find out one day.....
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
Halfway through the video now. Have to go walk my dog but thanks so much for showing me that link!!
1 Bernie_Sanders_2020 2017-11-28
its obvious that it was real what was not real was the "facts" brought before us by the sheriff and fbi being 1 shooter and the jesus campos story.
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
So you think with Ellen being invested in MGM, she had the fake Jesus Campos on for an interview to insure she convince people ISIS wasn't involved. So people would still come to Vegas?
1 swordofdamocles42 2017-11-28
i know its on youtube somehow... but if you were to downloaded it and reupload it... your channel will be suspended. i know first hand.
save it to your hard drive anyway for later. ;-)
1 Joe_LeFlores 2017-11-28
It just has a strong vibe that nobody died. And this, after days and days of reviewing hundreds of videos, researching the "victims" and their families, and the underlying circumstances around LV.
I mean, people can go at each others' throats for eternity over whether Bldg 7 was a controlled demo, or crumbled perfectly straight down into its own footprint due to a small fire in one corner of the building, ya know?
People are used to being told that the apple in front of them is an orange.. for the last 20 events since shady hoax. LV is no different. There were no real ballistics. Machine gun sounds were piped into a sound system, and crisis actors dropped and played dead/injured, like they did for Aurora, Boston, etc. The revision of the NDAAs Smith-Mundt act ushered in the legality of the US using propaganda on its own citizens within its borders. The fact that we've seen exactly ZERO photos or video of a single perpetrator of ALL of these events should also make you wonder if it's real.
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
Yeah, I saw those two ads for crisis actors. I have so many questions about crisis actors.... but anyways, I agree with all you said, but what do you mean we've seen zero photos of the perpers in all these events? Granted, they are all either someone else or don't exist, but.... I just don't get what you mean?
1 Joe_LeFlores 2017-11-28
There are no videos or photos that actually show a "perp" doing the deed, or even in the area in every one of these events. San Bern, Aurora, 2 church shootings, Sandy Hoax, etc. We are told stories in the newspaper, with a picture of a person's face, and that's the extent of it.
It 100% of these cases, it would be entirely possible to stage a scene (fake or half-real) or carry out a black-ops attack, and dump a patsy's body in the road with a bullet in the side of his head, then craft some story out of thin air about who this "lone gunman" was.. even though half of these events have multiple eyewitness accounts documented on live TV that they saw multiple shooters, etc.
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
Curious because I grew up very close to where Dylan Roof did (25 ish minutes away, but when you grow up somewhere and have to drive far to go anywhere good, etc). What do you think about the video footage of him going into the church? I did SO much research and even paid for beenverified and other sites as everything was happening on the news, and I'm like 90% certain the dude never existed. The only thing that throws me off now is that he was supposedly assaulted in prison, and then people sent his attacker money and he was able to get out. If he is really in jail, who is he and why him?
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
And yeah, the fact that like NO ONE showed up to the hospital when workers came in for overtime to be ready says it all when it comes to the reported casualties. Not to mention, that guys interview where he supposedly carried his "buddy" (he never says his name) OVER a fence, onto a rolling bin, and then "under a stage" without getting any blood on himself despite that friend having 3 gunshot wounds to the chest. And he wasn't too sad about it.
1 Joe_LeFlores 2017-11-28
My favorite is the "story" of the CA fire fighter guy (I think?) who, according to him, he "sat with his wife, injured, for hours waiting to be treated for gunshot injuries, but since the hospital was so full and busy, he and his wife decided to grab their stuff at the hotel and just go back to CA and get treated there." Haha, riiiight, buddy..
1 bergmanu 2017-11-28
Why wouldn't they hurt people though we have people that decide to make civilians kill millions of each other in wars. They literally fund terrorists just so they can make people fight.
1 LeBrons_Mom 2017-11-28
People actually died. Did Stephen Paddock shoot them? We have no proof that he did, other than his dead body. No pictures of him in the hotel, no video of his bags full of guns going up to his room in the elevator. Nothing, except his dead body in the room (well, alleged to be him based on one leaked photo and constantly changing police statements).
1 TheWebOfSlime 2017-11-28
So, there was a mass casualty drill at the same time the shooting was taking place. There is video footage of people at the hospital "acting" like they were dying, but with no blood. From personal experience, I have been to mass casualty drills with more realism than that. One example was a high school in La Canada where the students were really into it. Multiple agencies showed up and, from the pictures, you'd never know it was a drill.
From the pictures on the ground, it does seem very difficult to find any evidence of actual bullet wounds. A statistically improbable number of survivors have been killed in the aftermath, since the shooting. One founded the High Desert Phoenix non-profit, years ago, after her friend was kidnapped and murdered in an abandoned military bunker.
Stephen Paddock had a scar on his throat, but no scar is apparent on the corpse and the pictures lack the proper amount of shell casings from the firing.
Jesus Campos was immediately photoshopped into an image, posed like baphomet, though his appearance on the Ellen show has him appearing as 30 lbs+ heavier. Jesus Campos' timeline has been repeatedly proven wrong.
The union that just took all Las Vegas private security guards into the fold are the ones who pose with Campos, leading some to believe they are a protection racket.
Noveske rifle barrels sold to Saudi buyers were in Paddock's possession, fueling theories that this incident is part of the regime change that just occurred in SA. There are allegations Saudi royalty was in the hotel at the time. Recently, there have been multiple arrests with one Saudi being killed in the process of arrest.
At Jesus Campos' house, employees from Zebra Tactical and On Scene Security & Investigations were present. One employee, carrying a Federal Concealed Carry badge, is caught on camera making hand signs of devil horns. The law firm responsible for registering these businesses is owned by the Schellerups, where Mark Baxter Schellerup is a "Tie Binder" (studies covert politics) at the Bohemian Grove cult.
Red Rock companies seemingly stole a large amount of land to the heirs of Howard Hughes by tricking them into accepting shares that were rendered almost valueless in the final moments before the transaction.
Red Rock is a reference to the red granite obelisk that stood in the center of the Circus of Nero and still stands in that same place where the Vatican is today. Check out the logo for Red Granite productions and you will start to notice the underlying cult themes.
For these reasons and many more, the evidence goes everywhere. It is tough to make a determination, but it seems likely that a robbery could have taken place at the opposite end of the Strip while multiple SWAT units were deployed by the concert.
One theory suggested that the casinos are surreptitiously mining bitcoins. This theory was boohooed by many people on /r/conspiracy, but they site that it wouldn't be worth 25k machines doing this. The number of registered slot machines is closer to 250k, so I wouldn't use their reasoning to discount this theory.
Mostly, I am still waiting for more information.
At this stage, we know the news has lied to us and information is being kept from the people. The logical conclusion we can draw, at this moment, is that the news does not have free agency.
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
Can you pm me?
1 robthebot 2017-11-28
Halfway through the video now. Have to go walk my dog but thanks so much for showing me that link!!