At least this one has more things to look at then the others huh

I like how people think Trump saying CIA is "great" and "terrific" and "1000%" behind them means he's not anti-establishment

wew, great proof there

Do you know if there is some sort of app I can get that tells me when I should take the word of the President seriously or not?

Depends if he's joking or not

The app, sense of humor and sarcasm detector can be really useful to understand this president

And voting in Clinton would have been better? Because that was the vote the DNC gave us.

Took 5 mins for Hillary Clinton whataboutism to pop up here.

Sigh...

This May be hard for you to understand, but many of us believe that were two puppets of the same corporate banker backed hands. Pretty standard stuff man.

So can you answer the questions?

Keep on voting third puppet. You're making a real difference.

This is how I know Trump is anti-establishment: MSM = Establishment Instead of reporting news MSM (establishment) attacks Trump 24 hours a day.

So you're basing your entire support of a candidate by how the fake media treats Him? Haven't you ever heard of reverse psychology?

He's a populist that the elite selected. Maybe they are using their state media to run a smear campaign on him, so people like you will be drawn more to him. I bet you liked his anti SJW "politically incorrect" straight shooter way of talking too, right?

See, a lot of us don't but I to the lip service. And just because the media attacks something, doesn't necessarily make them trustworthy or against the system.

I voted 3rd party because I didn’t like Trump or Hillary. Trump still makes me cringe at times but when MSM historically attacks someone like this you can bet that person is not a part of the “Club.”

So you buy into political theatre but only a bit of it? It's all the way down homie.

Exactly, there's no grey area here. It's all scripted BS.

And the answer is "they voted for Trump because the other choice was Clinton." Also, it appears, they liked his stand on illegal immigration.

I don't know that anyone was voting for him because he was "anti-establishment". Anti-corruption (mostly Clinton style) was a factor.

It's not a 'whataboutism" it's a simple "or" question. It was Clinton or Trump. That's my point.

It's not a 'whataboutism" it's a simple "or" question. It was Clinton or Trump. That's my point.

This is how you know these people posting aren't genuine. This is a very obvious fact that an unusually large number of posters just can't wrap their contractually obligated heads around. They are just doing their job.

You can see logic and reason showing up in almost every thread though, the community in Conspiracy isn't as easily controlled and I love it.

This is how you know these people posting aren't genuine. This is a very obvious fact that an unusually large number of posters just can't wrap their contractually obligated heads around. They are just doing their job.

Not sure what you're driving at here, pal. You're calling me disingenuous ?

can you elaborate?

This is not meant to be an antagonistic post, I am sincerely interested in what aspects of the Trump presidency seem "anti establishment" to them.

Here, have some of your own words.

Took 5 mins for people to mention the actual alternative that we faced.

Condescending sigh to show I'm above this...

I will now insult your intelligence, and claim that others think the way I do.

Then I'll repeat myself.

There isn't a single bad thing Clinton would have done that Trump isn't doing, while Trump is doing tons of bad shit Clinton would never have done.

I would disagree with that personally. I tend to agree with Susan Sarandon - with Clinton we'd already be at war. Also, I think we'd have more illegal immigration and more taxes.

The Trump administration has hallowed out the state department, pulled back from international agreements, moved tens of thousands of additional troops into Africa and the Middle East, has massively increased Middle East bombing and resulting civilian casualties, is engaging in daily brinkmanship with North Korea, and is installing Iran War hawks in pretty much every senior military and intelligence position.

I don't think there's any question that Trump is pushing us towards war at a faster and more reckless clip than anything Clinton would've done.

I’m the first one to grab a gun and shoot. I don’t have a problem with what he’s doing.

The swamp is big.

Sure, if you want America to start waging more wars and killing more civilians, you're welcome to support all this. Same as if you favor the Administration's policy of handing control executive agencies over to industry lobbyists and attorneys.

I’m more thrilled we’re going to kick ass. Not sit around and talk about how a bullet might make the frogs go gay.

Same as if... wtmf?

Well, they said all of that about Reagan, and I don't remember the big war that broke out. (Sometimes the axiom "to get peace you need to prepare for war" has a bit of truth to it.)

When something isn't working - and the present way of doing things hasn't been - some cleaning house is in order. I don't think Trumps done anything bad. He's simply lowered headcount and payroll.

He's simply lowered headcount and payroll.

Per capital federal employment was the lowest it had been in like 70 years when Obama left office.

Well, good. It just got lower. Don't believe we'll see a lot of state department employees getting replaced by temps - but I could be wrong.

Either way - it will be different people doing the work and perhaps the outcome will be different. We can't afford to keep doing stuff the way we have been doing it. It's time to try something different.

What are your specific grievances with the way our foreign service officers were doing their jobs? What about the State Department's performance could we not continue to do?

Not to be an asshole, but what are your specific grievances with the way our foreign service officers were doing their jobs? What about the State Department's performance could we not continue to do? And can you explain how any of these issues are solved by slashing the State Department's budget and employment?

Here's where I stand on this. In the big game of world governments, here's the scorecard: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

We're losing bad. It's time to try a different way. I used to be in the corporate world for a half century. I saw hatchetmen walk into multiple big corporations and cut out the dead wood. Every single time the people getting chopped said "You won't make it" and rarely was that the result.

I have watched corporate America and the US Government sell off our assets and squander our power for about thirty years now. It's time to do things different.

The "different way" that you're defending is, as we speak, voting to add $1.5 trillion to that debt through a massive tax cut for corporations and the wealthy.

Yes - if it puts money into the hands of corporations instead of bureaucracies and lowers the cost of doing business in the United States versus other countries.

Cutting the scope and size of the federal government, getting money and power out it's hands seems like a good answer to me.

We've gotten more socialist in the last 40 years and we're in decline. The Chinese and Russians went the other way and the more their government loosens the reins, the better off they seem to be. I see a pattern there.

We've gotten more socialist in the last 40 years and we're in decline

Literally the opposite has happened.

Welfare is just one part of the equation. Social security, healthcare, and most of all government control and intervention into commerce are just a few of the others.

I've lived through this time - and the quantity of ways that government has interwoven itself into our economy are numerous and stifling.

I think a reversal of this trend will liberate our economy.

I honestly think they would be doing the same things. The elites have the same goal and a plan for either candidate. They may have adjusted their schedules with her at the helm, but you can bet they'd accomplish the sales goals with her as with a trump presidency.

TPP. First thing off the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty more.

TPP is still happening, except now the U.S. is cut out of it and the environmental and labor protections we negotiated for were removed.

Saying Trump isn't the anti - establishment hero some people make him out to be does not mean Clinton would have been a better choice. It's frustrating that it's become impossible to talk about anything one of them has done without the other being brought up.

Well, again, it was the choice. You can try to put words in the mouth of the voters on why they voted for him, but the answer is that they voted Trump because the other candidate was even more repellent.

That seems like giving into a shitty system, agreeing to choose the lesser of two evils.

And we just keep repeating the process because we give our acquiescence to this, we let them get away with it. We need to put our foot down and tell them "fuck you, we know your left right dichotomy is fake and our electoral process is all for show".

That's a big idea - and can't disagree that things are broken - but we have to use the ballot box we have or create something better. I'm not at all sure what that something would be.

I think it has been a benefit that it seems like both the current GOP and DNC seem to be falling apart at the moment. Perhaps something better will emerge.

Clinton would have been the same thing.

I'm saying regardless of who you vote for, They rig the primaries of both sides and it doesn't matter. They then select the "puppet" they want, (based on the climate or what "angle" or script the social engineers wrote up), the electoral college vote them in, and you have your puppet.

They have no free will at that position. You're doing the dirty work of your banker and corporate masters.

Come back out of the rabbit hole my friend, you have gone too deep.

? This is pretty commonly Accepted. You don't think both parties are in on this, and that the elections are influenced by corporations and banks?

Could have went Gary Johnson or Jill

I didn't consider either to be a serious candidate.

In many ways, he's just like any other POTUS. He's done some good things, and some bad things. I can easily name some of each. In other ways, he's like no other POTUS ever. No other POTUS has had to deal with consistent attempts at character assassination by the media.

But didn't Trump himself consistently push the birth certificate issue with Obama (an attempt at character assassination) ?

1 man questioning and pushing a narrative (wrong or not) is not similar to news stations, twitter,Facebook, Reddit, etc. constantly attacking you. Literally everyday I check Reddit I see some new allegations against Trump, it's getting tiresome at this point. I voted 3rd party as well, since I disliked HRC for numerous reasons, and I disliked Trump for numerous reasons.

I think it was more of an attempt to get out the truth.

This sub still has its doubts about Obama’s origins.

Apparently you weren't alive while Obama was President.

You're right, I can't name anything good he did. Except that one funny video he made. His team was great at marketing.

Lol I love how nobody answering any of the questions...

Why come here for people to defend Trump and not TD?

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You know why.

well yeah, there's that lol

Exactly my question

I think he means, this sub doesn't support TD, despite what all the shills tell you. He's the first president to espose conspiracy theories from his pulpit and the entire MSM is gunning for him, so sometimes we share his opinions (like on Fake News, cutting TPP, draining the swamp, etc...) But that doesn't mean we like or even support him. He's a big fat turd that happens to be right sometimes...which is a lot better than the other option we had the last election.

Oh, man. They sure are shrill and spammy today. Must be scared of something.

I'm going to guess later this thread will be fill of

"At least it's not Clinton or We'd be at war"

We're already at war and we're losing lol

Your questions are loaded.

Nobody thinks Trump is ideal, he was simply better than Hillary.

It’s really that fucking simple.

Sure, and I can understand that I guess.

I'm looking to hear from that demographic that hails him as the "God emperor". Perhaps there is something I'm missing regarding his presidency? I'm just pointing out things I think are a tad sketchy.

I think “God emperor” is a troll response for the liberals that were melting down after he won.

I see a decent amount of legitimate supporters who use "MAGA" and and whole heartedly believe this guy is using 4d chess moves and thinking like 90 steps ahead of people as some sort of geopolitical mastermind. That's a fact.

Then post in /r/AskThe_Donald

I think the draining the swamp in saudi arabia, not being a career politician, and outright political party tribalism play a role in peoples opinions. The yemen crisis isn't a new trump development also. And isis seems to be defeated, and the usa hasn't officially declared war on syria (tho we still have several thousand troops occupying part of it uninvited that our last potus sent in)

I don’t think he’s a moron. Or Hitler or nearly as bad as his opponents make him out to be. I genuinely believe he is trying to MAGA. It might not be exactly what we were expecting, but he has done a lot of things that I enjoy.

Also stolen from Ben Shapiro and other folks calling Obama “the God King” mockingly first.

Yea bullshit, there are a large number of "Trump is our savior and can do no wrong, 45D chess" people here, that's who this thread is for I think.

Yes

Sucks you got trolled. I’m here if you need anything.

Well either I'm being trolled now or you're incredibly naive.

1. Rothschild connection anti-establishment. So what if our President was doing business with folks that worked for organizations that are connected to the Rothschilds? Do they not have their "hands" into almost everything on this planet? Wilber Ross was hired for his knowledge and experience. If he does not do the job per our president's agenda, he will move out and move along. What is your definition of "establishment"?

About meeting with Henry Kissinger...do you know what was said at the meetings? Know thy enemy!

Trump is also doing deals with a new regime in Saudi Arabia, not the old, corrupt regime. Big difference.

He is supportive of the CIA...the "good" CIA. Not the "deep state" CIA. What is he suppose to say when he first meets them?

Because the "strategic bombing" in Syria was part of the "public showing" of the narrative at the time and did not kill any Russians etc... Notice that we (US fighters) are leaving Syria and there is no more push to oust Assad.

Any drone strikes are decided upon by the commandant commanders and those that they delegated that decision too. Our president trusts our generals and does not micromanage them (like Obummer's 30 year old staffer who would call directly into the tactical operations center with orders on what to do and who to strike etc...)

Everything Trump has done and is doing is acceptable to me because every morning I wake up and he is my president and Hillary is not! MAGA!

Upvote for answering OP.

As for knowing thine enemy... bringing them close for information is great, but do you have concerns about the potential power these establishment appointees wield? Have their actual actions been to MAGA?

I cannot truthfully answer that because I have not been privy to all their accomplishments (or lack of) since they have stepped into office. Only time will tell and in the meanwhile, I will continue to show my support for our president, his administration and his agenda.

Thank you for answering the questions and providing at least some sort of thought out response

Tagged for later so I can go through the posts and see how many bots came through

Looks like they're starting the downvote process now lol

They’re downvoting because these are old talking points that have information on both sides.

downvotes/deny/say you're a fool for believing something.

The fact that so many people hate and so many of the establishment politicians in both major parties don't seem to like him, and the constant negative news coverage seems to give people the idea that he's anti establishment. I also think this is viewed as a positive sign for trump supporters as they people that they cant stand and dislike in turn are upset about the potus. As per some of his policy choices... Yeah, doesn't look like he's doing a whole lot different than others. The yemen thing isn't too different than the libya thing that hillary and obama got shit for.

Seriously, if Trump was just another shill, the establishment wouldn't work against him as tirelessly as they do.

"Yea, doesn't look like he's doing a whole lot different than the others"

That's what you're replying to.

What comment are you reading? Lol

Wut?

Wut indeed.

No one expected Trump to announce "911 is an inside job", but he has enough views that the establishment hates they're trying their hardest to ruin him.

Lets not forget that Trump and his DoJ are also pushing for mass surveillance to continue

It's not that everything he does is 100% anti-establishment, it's that he's the best case scenario for improving things.

No shit he didn't get in there and immediately dismantle the American empire or the CIA or end Wall Street.

Politics is a circus of puppets for a pretence of democracy for the poor. A clown was preferable to a sinister washed up sharpshooter. The government always wins.

I'm not sure if he is or not. But what choice do we have we believe he is because if he is not then same old same old.

Atleast we won't have roving rape gangs of teens that don't know any better

They’re downvoting because these are old talking points that have information on both sides.

Sure, if you want America to start waging more wars and killing more civilians, you're welcome to support all this. Same as if you favor the Administration's policy of handing control executive agencies over to industry lobbyists and attorneys.