A Hilariously Transparent Astroturf Campaign Currently Happening Across Many Reddit Frontpages
19 2017-12-01 by AmsterdamJockoFabong
Now don't get me wrong, I am a strong proponent of net neutrality and most legislation designed to protect it, but I also like to call put bullshit where I see it.
Right now many of the individual U.S. state subreddits are featuring profiles of naughty senators that are siding with big telecoms against NN. That in itself isn't necessarily bad, but they all miraculously springboarded to the frontpages other their respective subs, and ultimately r/all. On top of it, most of these podunk subs that have maybe 1k subscribers are all flooded with exponentially more "current readers" right now blasting the posts up the ranks.
Look, the point is that this is an obvious vote manipulation astroturf campaign for something that I personally believe to be a good cause...but still vote rigging and astroturf all the same. If we want to shriek and scream about groups and ideologies that use the same tactics for their causes, then we too must be intellectually honest and call this shit for what it is.
/rant
31 comments
1 basshead17 2017-12-01
Or maybe you know, the vast majority of reddit strongly supports net neutrality and up vote the posts they see....
1 watchwhatsnext 2017-12-01
Sheep being sheep
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
I'm strongly in favor of Net Neutrality. Its just wrong that monopolies like Google, Twitter, and Facebook censor and suppress opposing political viewpoints. Something needs to be done about that.
1 elcad 2017-12-01
How are Google, Twitter, and Facebook monopolies?
1 snowmandan 2017-12-01
Do you know what a monopoly is?
1 elcad 2017-12-01
Just because most everyone uses the same service doesn't make it a monopoly.
You can use MySpace or Friendster instead of Facebook. You can use Bing or Dogpile instead of Google. You can use Gab or Mastodon instead of Twitter.
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
If google it (ironic I know) you will get way more in depth answers to your question than I could ever be bothered to type out.
1 elcad 2017-12-01
I Dogpiled it. Proving you wrong.
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
Good job! I wonder what percentage of the public uses Dogpile and other google alternatives.
1 HBombthrow 2017-12-01
For these types of companies, whether they're a "monopoly" depends on what you're defining the market as. Legally, to be considered to have monopoly power a company must have at the very least 30% of the market, and usually closer to 50%. Google has about 75% share of the search engine market, which is unquestionably monopoly power. Whether Twitter or Facebook have monopoly power depends a bit on what you're saying the market is. (Social media, social networks, content distribution, etc.)
1 elcad 2017-12-01
Legally it would have to be proved that the market dominance has lead to unfair pricing. How much did you guys pay for Facebook and Twitter service again? Oh that's right you're not the even the customers. Just penned up sheep to be sold to the real customers, advertisers, who have no shortage of other platforms to choose from.
1 HBombthrow 2017-12-01
No, you're a bit off. There's two types of Sherman Act claims, referred to as Section 1 claims (anticompetitive agreements) and Section 2 (monopolization). The elements of the first is an agreement that unreasonably constrains trade, and affects interstate commerce. That does not depend on monopoly power. The elements of the second are a company that holds monopoly power, and has used unlawful means to acquire or maintain that power.
The impact on prices is important to assessing damages, but it's a violation to improperly create a monopoly regardless of a showing that the monopoly has negatively impacted prices.
1 elcad 2017-12-01
Not seeing how those points, show that those advertising platforms are monopolies. That's like claiming the Super Bowl is a monopoly because a majority of TV views are watching it at the time.
1 HBombthrow 2017-12-01
Like I said, it all depends on how you define the market. "Internet searching" is a clearly defined market, and Google's already been hit with fines in Europe for abusing its monopoly position.
1 diachi_revived 2017-12-01
Which has nothing to do with NN.
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
I want a Neutral Net. Google, Twitter, Facebook, and others are preventing that from happening.
1 diachi_revived 2017-12-01
I don't think you understand what net neutrality is...
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
How does what I mentioned not relevant to having a neutral internet?
1 Beaustrodamus 2017-12-01
Google, Twitter, and Facebook will benefit most from continued Net Neutrality because they would be forced to finance the infrastructure to maintain their services, and ISPs would be able to limit the total internet resources their services could use. There are no good guys in the net neutrality debate. Just another pointless debate over the lesser of two irredeemable evils.
1 DataPhreak 2017-12-01
Or maybe, you know, the astroturfing campaign has nothing to do with net neutrality and is really about ISPs selling customer data.
1 Beaustrodamus 2017-12-01
And who controls crypto-currency futures
1 PutmeinKoch 2017-12-01
Rant with no proof?
Vote brigading has always been a thing, no reason to assume this is any different.
1 heroicworkethic 2017-12-01
lol @ no proof.
try pressing /r all.
1 PutmeinKoch 2017-12-01
That's not proof.
That's the algorithm doing it's job.
1 heroicworkethic 2017-12-01
Baa Baa
1 PutmeinKoch 2017-12-01
You're adorable.
You won't take the time to understand something you're obviously confused about... and I'm the sheep?
Read up on the subject and provide some evidence.
Don't just point at your ignorance and call it proof.
1 heroicworkethic 2017-12-01
neigh neigh
1 wololoPriestAoE 2017-12-01
a copy from another post:
I hope this shows that it was started by 1 state, and followed by others.
1 heroicworkethic 2017-12-01
While I do like the message -- the messenger here is what's up for debate and that is the very blatant vote manipulation / astroturfing.
I agree with the message. I don't agree with the method.
Why?
Because once you do something like this ONE TIME.. it can always happen again for a message I don't like.
for example:
What if the top posts were the 100 most wealthy people in the world who have 50% of the world's money -- stating that they are good people who have no blame, what so ever, for the state of things in the world.
Once you take this route for a message it can be turned around and used against you very quickly.
1 elcad 2017-12-01
I Dogpiled it. Proving you wrong.
1 Shilling4Shekelz 2017-12-01
Good job! I wonder what percentage of the public uses Dogpile and other google alternatives.
1 diachi_revived 2017-12-01
I don't think you understand what net neutrality is...