To anyone claiming Pizzagate is "debunked" because Comet Pizza "has no basement":
30 2017-12-01 by Question_History
Copying from a comment I made:
The basement is in Buck's Fishing and Camping, where he stores "tonnes" of pizza sauce. That's coming from Alefantis himself. The "pedo ring in the basement" angle was manipulated by media outlets to discredit and instantly "debunk" pizzagate.
Did you know Alefantis also has a diner in Berlin with a Pagan inspired menu?
Did you know he owns Pegasus Museum, which is closed to the public? What kind of museum is closed to the public?
Did you know James Alefantis was implicated in a blackmail lawsuit involving Media Matter's David Brock?
Did you know he attends dinners with Rothschilds?
Did you know one of the properties he owns used to be a Rothschild's?
Did you know Carole Greenwood, ex co-owner of CPP left due to "urgent family issues", which was actually Alefantis abusing her 16-17 yr old son, who was an employee. Did you know he did an AMA on Reddit?
Did you know Alefantis threatened the life of Ryan O'Neal for finding the location of the "kill room" in Pegasus?
Did you know James is close friends with someone who manufactures children sized coffins?
Did you know the street cameras were turned away from CPP a day before the shooting? Why is there no footage? Did you know the shooter also hit the computer tower? causing $10,000 worth of damage (according to the official report), allowing quick disposal of evidence.
Did you know Alefantis commented "nice!" On a painting of a naked infant statue with it's rear end in the air?
Did you know Alefantis also owns multiple properties not mentioned by him EVER? How does a self admitted college drop out who "only knew how to cook pizzas" accumulate so much wealth and property?
And this is just scratching the surface. NONE of this is mentioned by MSM. Why didn't Megyn Kelly ask about any of this.
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1 RMFN 2017-12-01
The art alone is enough to question what is going on.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
And notice how almost nothing I posted had anything to do with the art, other than the naked baby statue, that is very messed up.
The "debunkers" and shills latch on to the "there's no basement", "lol go shoot up a pizza place", and "it's just art" arguments.
All of which can be disputed by the facts I posted.
1 KingMakaveli7 2017-12-01
I Think the next phase with Qanon will be Pizzagate. He talked about blackmailing/Cia/playboy.
Almost the same thing here
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
I am leaning towards Alefantis being a honey pot for DC blackmail. A more undercover, Epstein-esque operation.
1 gnome_saiyan 2017-12-01
This. Alefantis is essentially the Pedo pomp of DC. That's why they protect him because he has dirt on EVERYONE.
Also, Q anon needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That guy could just be a larp making shit up.
1 TheBongzilla 2017-12-01
He has dirt on everyone, yes, but they also have dirt on him. He's not the one controlling this shit, he's just a tool.
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
I just want to see evidence for the alledged code words
1 KingMakaveli7 2017-12-01
Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?
LOL please tell me what that means, and go and look for the pedo words that FBI put out there...
1 theclansman22 2017-12-01
Will he play dominos better after eating cheese rather than pasta. Maybe they played dominos after he ate pasta and he didn't play well?
This is what happens when you read emails without the full context of them, you can read your own meanings into everything.
The simplest explanation is usually correct.
1 KingMakaveli7 2017-12-01
Lmao, I'm not English or American! And if I wanted to email someone what you just said I wouldn't have said it like him. Wake up ^
1 Mooseisabitfat 2017-12-01
That's because you're unfamiliar with common American phrasing.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
No one in North America says their "on" food.
People do say they are "on" drugs, though.
It makes a lot more sense given that context.
1 Mooseisabitfat 2017-12-01
People talk about doing things on an empty stomach all the time. They also talk about food as if they're drugs all the time. Done, email explained.
No, it's way more plausible that it's coded language.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
I think you're the one unfamiliar with common American phrasing.
No one says they're "on pasta" after they've ate a meal.
People say they're "on" cocaine after snorting lines.
1 oxfouzer 2017-12-01
You're simple wrong here. I might choose not to ride a rollercoaster "on a full meal" in fear of puking. Very common phraseology. In fact, this whole email chain was legitimately explained as being totally benign. Yes, it's actual pasta, dominoes, and cheese.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
You wouldn't say "I'm on pasta", you would say "I just ate some pasta". You would say "I'm on a full stomach".
1 oxfouzer 2017-12-01
This is a ludicrous argument in general, but I think if you ate a bunch of pasta and went to play a game of dominoes, you very well could and may describe the situation as "...playing dominos on pasta." It is a totally valid statement, and given background it raises no suspicion. Your argument is purely semantics, and fails in even that.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
How is that a ludicrous example? It's true. Not once in my entire life have I heard someone say "oh, I can't go for a swim, I'm on chicken and rice".
I've heard someone say "oh, I can't go for a swim, I'm on a full stomach'.
I'm not hear to discuss about what could be a poorly worded email.
Would you like to have a conversation about Dylan Greenwood, Ryan O'Neal, or Jeff Smith (friend of Alefantis who makes children's coffins)?
1 huktheavenged 2017-12-01
r/sicksadworld
1 pee_tape 2017-12-01
thatsthejoke.jpg
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
https://NP.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7eujbs/a_post_from_a_few_months_ago_that_was_able_to/?st=JAOA1JWG&sh=153c517f
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Why should I? I'm not the one claiming it is code for sex with children.
Those who make the claim need to provide the evidence.
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
Here you go.
A thread with multiple examples, including chat room screen shots of "pizza" and "cheese pizza" being used by pedos online.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7eujbs/a_post_from_a_few_months_ago_that_was_able_to/?st=JAOA1JWG&sh=153c517f
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Cheese Pizza is never used in the emails.
Try again.
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
You're splitting hairs pal. Guys like podesta are seasoned pedos. The words cheese and pizza are used several dozen times in those emails in very strange contexts. It would be redundant to have to say "cheese pizza" every time in every email, plus it would be suspicious.
So they shorten it to just "pizza".
Also, couldn't cheese be a way to denote a certain age or ethnicity of the child?
Why are you not asking these kinds of questions and digging in deeper? You are a conspiracy theorists correct?
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
What exactly do you think that Cheese Pizza or Cheese or Pizza is code for?
I'd like to hear it from you.
And then post one of the mails where you think thhis code is used.
Let's do this, shall we? Show that replacing the code words makes actually sense.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Topkek
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/10/23/child-porn-cheese-pizza-arrest/
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
No connection to the emails.
No Cheese Pizza mentioned in the emails.
Try again.
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Yeah, didn't think that you would
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
Pizza itself is though.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
So? What do you think pizza is code for?
Whatnis it with you pizzagaters? You claim there's code but when asked what exactly the code means and how it makes sense in the emails, you never provide a clear answer.
Why is that?
Just tell me what the code words mean and then post the emails with the code words replaced with the clear meaning. Do they make any sense?
Go ahead, try it. Show the results.
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
It could literally be anything within the realm of pedophilia. You could exchange 'pizza' with 'pedo' and it'd work.
would translate into
Suggesting it might not happen in their homes by default, which would be smart in case feds or cops get a warrant for those places.
Then we have the email '815 dinner at Marta' https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55930 , wherein Tony asks John;
I don't know where Marta lives, but the Podesta's live in DC, right? Well, I'm not from DC and this email chain by now is over a year old, but I couldn't find a 29th St near anything Madison (st, hotel, LLC, etc), only 1 was near a park, but not near anything Madison. The only Madison related locations I could find are nowhere near 29th, (Madison Hall on 22nd St, Madison & CO LLC on the corner of I St and Connecticut Ave, Madison Place NW across Lafayette Square, Madison St runs from 1st to 16th St, The Madison Washington DC Hilton hotel on 15th). Suffice to say,
you'd be lost with those directions. Someone on their side however, they might know what else to do with them.
The way John replies is eerie too,
He has so much to do, he can't even eat a slice of pizza before leaving for someplace tomorrow. Unless, y'know, they're not talking about that kind of pizza. As a matter of fact, he has no need for pizza, and unless he had no other plans for dinner, he has no need for eating in general.
So, by my crazy conspiracy theorist logic, these mails would translate too:
To which John's reply would make a bit more sense, at least imho.
Then we have the handkerchief emails, which are just weird. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
How can a simple square, black and white handkerchief have a map that might 'seem pizza-related'?
Mind you, all the realtor really said was
It's a pretty big jump to deduce from that line that it 'seems pizza-related', unless you know what you're talking about.
Why isn't he worried about it? Perhaps he left it there on purpose. Perhaps, as with the 'directions' earlier, it might be useless to randos without insider knowledge, or the map has expired, hence not being of concern to Podesta.
For me it translates into
A lot of people are arguing over whether 'pizza' means boy or girl, or whether that's supposed to be 'hotdog' vs 'pasta', but I think that might be up to the smaller circles to decide. I don't think there's a 'National American Dictionary for Pedophiles', or whatever. I think this angle is being treated a bit too autistically.
Yes, because talking in code with like-minded people requires you to speak out everything, you cannot drop a word whilst maintaining context lest all is lost. (/s)
What else was there... Right, Urban Dictionary listed 'pizza' as a pedophilia related word in 2010, the emails came out in 2016, some going back to '08, though not all seemingly related. It suggests it's been wiped prior. This is where some people tie in the Madeleine McCann case, but that's a whole other can of worms. I'm not equipped to do more intensive searches, lest I want visitors.
Then there's the whole Alefantis angle, the R-rated musicians performing at his 'family friendly' establishment, the creepy art in his house and on his insta depicting underage people or very sexual(ised) images related to pizza, or McCauley Caulkin's band The Pizza Underground and their imagery, we all know what allegedly happened to him.
When you put it all together, it's pretty messed up to say the least.
But this is just my p.o.v. of this particular part of the theory, even I think the whole 'Alefantis = J'aime l'enfants' for example is far fetched.
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
No. If pizza means pedo, it would mean "Would love to get a pedo for an hour? Or come over"
How would that make any sense?
So you cannot actually say what the code meqns and you just make it up so you can twist the emailsminto something pedo-related.
You are literally just making this up to make it fit your bias. You can neither show that there is any code nor assign consistent meaning to the alledged code. You actually admit that it means whatever it needs to mean so you can reinterpret the emails in the way you see it fit.
Here's a pizza related napkin.
http://i.imgur.com/QkbP2Qx.jpg
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
No it didn't. The entry for pizza lists nothing pedo-related. Why are you claiming this? It's not true.
You are literally making shit up.
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
I'm kinda curious what the jpeg used to be, aren't you?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8673
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
Surprise, it's a totally not creepy picture.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10037
According to many it's encoded with another image. Supposedly no one's been tech savvy enough so far as to actually crack it, many saying it requires a password, some saying it's only been superficially altered. If you think you can, let us know.
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
You tell me.
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
Also, who the hell gets 'pizza for an hour'? Don't you just take as long as needed?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/51189
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
What do you think it means then?
1 StefanYellowCurry 2017-12-01
Who the fuck are you, shitwad?
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
I'm your worst nightmare
1 goodnightcommies 2017-12-01
we already heard all of those talking points. do you have any solid evidence to support the pizzagate narrative?
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Jeffrey Epstein, Dennis Hastert, spirit cooking, etc. All lend a lot of credence to the theory.
And to anyone claiming "where's the victims?", Dylan Greenwood and Ryan O'Neal are victims who have come forward, with zero attention from any media outlets.
1 Mouth2005 2017-12-01
Ummm what? This is the most ridiculous logic..... if you don't mind I'm going to borrow that logic, how about Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, Dylann Roof, and Stephen paddock, etc all lend a lot of credence to the theory that all white people are mass murderers? See how dumb that sounds.....
Link to the stories of these "pizzagate" victims?
Ummm call me crazy but I prefer to see someone such as yourself provide the public with solid evidence to prove their claim, and no, it's not the responsibility of your audience to provide "solid evidence" from to disprove your claim....... you think they are doing this shit, you prove it..... as Im slightly opposed to joining any circle jerk really, but seriously opposed to joining a circle jerk that accuses people of the most vile shit possible, its wild allegations like this that me happy to live in a society where it's the burden of the accuser to prove the accused is guilty and not the other way around....
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Can you actually say what exactly the theory is?
1 Mouth2005 2017-12-01
I'm not following, did you mean that for the comment above me?
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Yes, replied to wrong comment.
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Can you actually say what exactly the theory is?
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7gwll2/to_anyone_claiming_pizzagate_is_debunked_because/dqm9d06/
1 Stellaaahhhh 2017-12-01
Ryan O'Neal? How is an old-ass wife and child abuser a victim of child sex trafficking? I could definitely buy that he was a trafficker.
1 KakashiFNGRL 2017-12-01
usually start out or have a youth as
It's more commonly known as a 'vicious circle'.
1 Stellaaahhhh 2017-12-01
This is true. Are you familiar with Ryan O'Neal at all though? He had a great acting career in the 70s, but blew it with his addictions and terrible temper.
One of my favorite films of his is 'Paper Moon' which he starred in with his young (8 or 9 at the time)daughter Tatum. He was abusive with her, her mother(they later divorced and she had several other relationships with abusive men) and her brother and eventually hit on Tatum at his wife's(Farrah Faucett) funeral, claiming he didn't realize it was his daughter even though she'd lived in his home off and on through her childhood. Not to mention that she was also famous and the average person at the time would have recognized her, let alone her own father.
Give him some brief research and see if he seems like a credible source or someone grasping at a chance to get back in the spotlight and/or the public's good graces.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Wrong Ryan O'Neal bud... do some real research
1 Stellaaahhhh 2017-12-01
Lol, it is a different one. If he has a middle name, he should switch to it.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Getting downvoted hard at 18% already. Wow, some people just can't accept uncomfortable truths. I guess they'd rather stick with comfortable lies. Shame.
1 ABrilliantDisaster 2017-12-01
It's worse than that. Some people will take a payckeck to defend this shit. Even if i didn't believe Pizzagate i couldn't be paid to defend against it. Just the fact that someone is paying for that would be enough suspicion to keep me from sinking that low.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
The sheer amount of effort put into discrediting the investigation by news outlets (conservative, right leaning ones too) was a large indicator that there's something sinister there.
Benn Swann was the only one with enough guts to touch on it, and he didn't even scratch the surface in his Reality Check segment. He lost his segment because of the coverage as well.
1 mastigia 2017-12-01
It isn't just the paycheck. The elephant in the room is exactly how vast the pool of pedophiles is. It looks to me like its own parallel society or something. It is huge, there are tons of them, there don't need to be shills, we might just be dealing with actual participants that are substantially organized in the little sewers they run around in.
1 ABrilliantDisaster 2017-12-01
I wonder if we get visits from NAMBLA
1 mastigia 2017-12-01
That is exactly what I mean.
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
Yeah but there's definitely paid shills that come out here to defend these people.
1 mastigia 2017-12-01
I'm sure there are. Well, we got shit like Elgin that I am pretty sure just latches onto anything that can make us chase our tails. But I think the bulk of them are organizing off in some NAMBLA discord or something to brigade.
1 Squirrelboy85 2017-12-01
Lol your one of the few that knows about that base that brings it up.
1 mastigia 2017-12-01
What do you mean? I thought Elgin was common knowledge around here?
1 Squirrelboy85 2017-12-01
I don't really ever see anyone state it in a comment. I know they are here.
1 mastigia 2017-12-01
I think most of the users that were here before the politics raid that started a year ago are aware of it.
So, like 10 of us. There has got to be at least 10 actual users left, right?
1 Squirrelboy85 2017-12-01
Lol
1 huktheavenged 2017-12-01
welcome to the desert of the real
1 sackajahweeda 2017-12-01
Correction he knows 2 people that make child sized coffins...one is Caris James dad and the other is the freak that makes them into tables in the creepys ass adopecere soap factory place. Who knows TWO CHILD SIZED COFFIN MAKERS THAT ISNT A FUCKING FUNERAL DIRECTOR?
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
And one of the guy's Instagram names was "workinonmahnightCHEESE"
Weird, to say the absolute least. The guy also fitted his cube van with concrete flooring. But it's completel normal and harmless, right?
1 sackajahweeda 2017-12-01
Right so when I hear that smarmy slimeball Podesta say its DEBUNKED to that I say...you arent asking him the right questions people...
Also when Alefantis was asked by the guy whose life he threatened his answer was...ITS ALL TRUE EXCEPT I DONT LIKE KIDS...
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Also notice Podesta's hand movements, his stuttering, and squirmy body language.
He knows Pizzagate isn't CLOSE to debunked. He's lying to himself, it's so obvious.
1 ElbertoAinstein 2017-12-01
You must not have watched 30 rock because that ig username is a reference to a scene on that show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxqycijBUn0 that is what im referring to
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Hey, don't watch that show, thanks for pointing that out. Still, doesn't defeat the fact he's crafting children's coffins...
1 ElbertoAinstein 2017-12-01
its creepy for sure but someones gotta do it I mean unfortunately children do die sometimes
1 Lo0seR 2017-12-01
Did you know, perfect lead in.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Dear John "Skippy" Podesta:
Please debunk these facts, then you MIGHT be able to say Pizzagate is debunked.
1 gnome_saiyan 2017-12-01
Did you see his weird body language when answering that question.
First thing I noticed is he took 2 sips of water and got all jittery as she was asking her question, squirming thinking of some kind of response.
He's guilty as FUCK. Alefantis too. They all need to go down. Keep the pressure on them.
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Hillary Clinton email chain:
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14333
"I will be sacrificing a chicken to Moloch in the backyard"
Alefantis instagram post: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6vdn22/the_nambla_chicken_hawk_expos%C3%A8_alefantis_chicken/
"Chicken lovers"
Chicken is another term for child.
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
Yep, well specifically a young boy. They refer to each other as "chicken Hawks"
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
Source?
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Ask South Park... or y'know read the link I posted
1 abumubarak 2017-12-01
I would like to hear it from you
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
The link I posted is from me...
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
None of the claims are bullshit, I deleted it because I realized the person in the email chain was most likely making a joke. I would rather not spread misinformation.
Here's the link again, proving James Alefantis is a "chicken lover".
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6vdn22/the_nambla_chicken_hawk_expos%C3%A8_alefantis_chicken/
And another?
https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@heroic15397/is-james-alefantis-a-fan-of-michael-alig-proud-murderer-and-born-chicken-hawk
Try and defend that
1 DownWithTopMinds 2017-12-01
Anybody got the address to Buck's Fishing and Camping? Or the museum?
1 mracidglee 2017-12-01
Link to Greenwood's son's AMA?
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nwYeYdAaock
1 TexanMcDaniel 2017-12-01
https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/7gw15y/flynn_promised_full_cooperation_to_the_mueller/?ref=share&ref_source=link
In case you missed the news
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
Yea, surprise, Republicans are just as corrupt as Democrats. Flynn was a liar to begin with, that much was obvious. I'm glad they're going through with it. Take them all down. I'm not partisan. I'm for justice.
1 i8lsd 2017-12-01
This would be way better with sources on each assertion. Feel free to add them!
1 Question_History 2017-12-01
All of them are provable with a quick google search, however i might compile a "Pizzagate facts" list, with all sourced info. Notice how no one said any of those point are false...even the shills know its true
1 i8lsd 2017-12-01
I understand the power of search engines. What I'm trying to say is that these points (which I know are true) would come across much stronger if each was sourced aka upboat heaven.
1 LurkPro3000 2017-12-01
J bet JA also has a micropenis.
1 melokobeai 2017-12-01
What's wrong with Pagans?
1 TastyKakes6 2017-12-01
Yeah but there's definitely paid shills that come out here to defend these people.
1 TheBongzilla 2017-12-01
He has dirt on everyone, yes, but they also have dirt on him. He's not the one controlling this shit, he's just a tool.