That's about it. Oh yeah, no plane wreckage and the hole left had evidence of been hit by the wings, which are often filled with fuel.

The wings just carefully folded up under the fuselage as it approached!

Oh right of course ;) how silly of me 😂😂

The real conspiracy is that Boeing has added these new super stealthy dive bomber features to their aircraft without telling anyone.

Yeah, crazy how the jihadist pilots were able to fly better than the worlds best.

I will say this, when you don't have to worry about a nuanced landing it frees you up to do things that you wouldn't normally do with an airplane on approach. This does not explain away the Pentagon landing, but just something to consider.

Fair enough.

Here is the cutting edge technology that made that happen

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/pentagonattackpage2 (about 3/4 of the way down) shows the actual impact area before collapse.

Often filled with fuel

; )

Is that incorrect? I'm no expert lol.

No it's sadly funny as hell and true.

Don't forget the fact all laws of physics took a day off that day too.

Don't forget the fact all laws of physics took a day off that day too.

Don't forget the fact that all laws of physics took a day off that day too.

Why did that post three times?

Yeah for real. Man, there are SO many issues with the official story.

Mobile phones were able to work mod flight too. Impressive.

Mobile phone do work mid flight if you're over the US. They just say they're banned bc they interfere with insruments which is false it's just as way so we don't have to gear people yapping mid flight and so airlines can rape you on those in flight phones

Oh right thank you, I did not know that. I would of thought there would be no signal.

No they do not. Please stop lying. I flew 20+ times in 2016; domestically. Only time my phones worked when I was on, or, close to the runway. Two phones, AT&T and Verizon.

This dependent on altitude. Mobile towers are directed down so most of the power for the antenna gets directed to the surface of the planet. When a plane is low in the sky (like, say, flight 93) you can get reception pretty easily

The cell phone calls from United 93 apparently placed by Tom Burnett, Jeremy Glick and Mark Bingham reportedly began about 40mins into the flight, at which point the aircraft would have been at its cruising altitude of around 30,000ft.

Source? Not being a stickler, but if that's true it would blow the whole thing wide open. DEFINITELY can't make or receive calls at 30000 ft

Probably for that reason, the story was changed. David Ray Griffin has done a lot of work on this.

Many of the calls that were first said to have come from cell phones were later said to have come from airphones, which is a problem because several of the people receiving the calls said they identified their loved ones from their caller ID.

https://nhtruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/david-ray-griffin-on-911-cell-phone.html?m=1

Jeremy Glick and others were first reported to have placed calls from the flight on their call phones by the WaPo and others.

https://nhtruth.blogspot.com/2010/06/david-ray-griffin-phone-calls-from-911.html?m=1

This. I've left my phone on a time or two by accident, and have never, ever received a hint of service except when on approach.

No. The electromechanical components and systems throughout a plane were never tested (validated) specifically for use near cell phones. Primarily because these components predate cell phones by decades.

The components were tested for everything from lightning stikes, EMI, RF, microwave but never for cell phones. This is similar to medical devices. Hospitals restrict cell phone use because the medical equipment was not validated for service near cell phones.

I have to speak up and debunk the cell phone one: it was not cell phones people were using to call from the planes! It was those phones that used to be set into the back of the airplane seats, that you could use a credit card to pay and call. Am I the only one who remembers these? I definitely believe that 9/11 was a massive inside job/conspiracy, but I'm not sure why people use the cell phone thing as evidence. (I myself didn't even have a cell phone yet in 2001, some of us were still carrying pagers around!)

Fair enough I wasn't aware. Never saw those phones but I've only been on plane holidays three times. Once to Washington DC :)

Our said defense took the day off. Physics. Pony ppne that didn't were the jihadis lolol

Yeah, I'm sure you guys are all expert physicists.

the fact that all laws of physics

lol "idiots can't explain it, the laws of reality must be broken!"

There were many aircraft parts that matched a 757, including unique engine parts and intact seats.

Yuuuuuuuuup crazy but yes

You could add in that the plane that crashed, was thought by people that were tracking it to be a military plane due to the way it moved. And the guy that apparently flew it couldn't even fly a single engine cessna, yet it is supposed to have pulled off a move most professional pilots couldn't even pull off.

professional pilots couldn't even pull off.

yeah they can. they're just worried about walking away from the plane after. when you don't care if you're gonna die, you can even barrel roll a 747.

Yeah you probably haven't looked at the maneuver this guy pulled off. A guy who was an absolute amateur.

you're assuming i think the guy flying the plane was who they say it was.

i think the planes were under remote control and the pilot couldn't do jack shit. there may not have been any terrorists on that plane at all.

google "Wide Area Augmentation System" in 2000, it was capable of remote control and guidance of aircraft. United installed honeywells Pegasus flight management system in their 757s that could control the entire aircraft in 1997.

honeywell also had their Differential GPS Satellite Landing System that they tested on UPS planes in 1998 that could take off and land themselves and stay within a 2x2 meter box around the planned flight path.

i don't think the "terrorists" existed at all. i think the pilots fought it the entire time, and died under the control of a remote pilot sitting in a chair somewhere.

That's the point, the manoeuvre couldn't have been done by the guy they claim did it, even if he were capable of it he wouldn't jeapordize the entire mission just to try out some sick moves.

but my original point was that a decent pilot CAN pull off those maneuvers in an airliner. i've seen pilots pull immelmanns and low level barrel rolls with a 747 at air shows. normal pilots don't try that kind of shit because they want to 1) keep a job and 2) live. i can see a suicidal pilot being able to do it too.

i just don't think that in this particular case the pilot sitting in the cockpit was in control at all.

If anything this guy had a better reason than anyone to drive normally and safely, dying on the way to what he allegedly considers the most important thing in his life is just stupid. Another stupid thing is attracting extra attention by doing something like this. Furthermore, the guy allegedly piloting the airplane was not a decent pilot, but an incredibly shitty one, which is why we are bringing this up. I agree it was drone though, this is the argument for why it was a drone!

Yep ... So now that they are been audited expect shit to happen.

Another missileplane?

Only thing about this theory is it takes longer than 12-18 hours to set something like this up

This wouldn't have been spontaneous, all carefully planned, over a year in advance, every detail.

That's why they didn't know what to do when the plane headed for WTC7 got stuck in airport congestion, they weren't sure if they could still collect insurance on it if it went down from a controlled demolition with no plane in it.

If you ask me, I would say that they built the towers with their fall in mind

That isn't a very sensible suggestion. I suppose you think "they" did that in secret and hid the fact from the building insurers?

It was all a ritual with specific hours, numbers and dates arranged, it had to happen that day, the pentagon stuff appears to be hastily arranged to be announced the day before the big event was going to happen, so they could fake a hit in the place where the records were, the day of the attack we were attacked too kinda thing. it is the sloppiest, the new york job was much better planned, with people in the streets and crisis actors and stuff

Before every tall building in every major city around the world is build it has to hand in a building plan but also a demolition plan to my knowledge. To protect it's surrounding against eg. a earthquake or destructive fire.

If you look at the footage, to me it very doubtfully looks like a plane explosion. Too small and a very brief flash. Not at all a fireball of death.

Looks more like a missile.

It could have been a missile.

There is also some other interesting evidence, pictures can be found of the Pentagon with seemingly sheer 'cuts' where part of the building went down and the other side did not. It was so pristine that desks, chairs and other items remained upright despite the apparent 'collapse'.

Additionally, I'm not sure if anybody is aware of this, whenever an airplane crashes anywhere in North America, in some cases even into the sea, the FAA literally collects all the pieces and puts it back together again to find out what went wrong. I'm sure we can all recall seeing the pictures of the wreckage tacked all back together.

Does anybody remember this happening with either the Pentagon or Flight 93(which resembled more like a pile of garbage than a planecrash)? A lot of unprecedented events took place that day.

My best friends family actually owns a cabin in Shanksville PA where United 93 went down and i talked to a bunch of locals a few years back who witnessed the plane flying extremely low and ultimately crashing. It’s in the middle of nowhere so when people saw a plane that low they New somthing was wrong. Alot of people in the town witnessed it so it’s pretty safe to say that there was actually a plane that crashed there.

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A plane with no wreckage and bodies.

That's not true.

How do you know that?

What's your point spense? What is your ultimate gain here? All I see is you negging stuff.

What's suspicious about the lack of a wreckage? Did you ever see a plane crashing into a wall?

The tail section to that plane ended up miles away from the main wreckage and was it theorized to have been shot down by the military and then covered up.

Yeah i wasn’t there idk. I’m just saying what I’ve personally heard first-hand from townies who claim they witnessed it.

There is video of local traffic chopper reporting there was "nothing bigger than a phone book" in the debris field a couple of miles from the engineless smoking hole.

It was so obviously shot down.

if there was anything to put back together they might have..... there's no conspiracy in whether or not a plane flew into the damn building, the conspiracy is whether or not the plane took the building down (i believe so) and whether or not the whole thing was a cover for an even bigger conspiracy such as OP's topic.

He's talking about the Pentagon and the plane that crashed in the field in Pennsylvania, there's plenty of conspiracy around those. The planes that hit the twin towers were pretty well documented by amateur videos, so saying there were no planes is easily disproven.

Ok, as long as were clear on that.

Yes. The steel slicing aluminum planes.

I'm not in any way saying that it was only planes that brought the towers down, just that planes were in fact used. They could have very well been used to cover a controlled demolition.

I was saying some of those videos look pretty fucking fake. A plane would not melt into a building without even slowing down. Let alone not busting to bits.

Planes melt pretty well when hitting hard objects at high speed.

Source

You can't have it both ways. And in that video (which I knew what it was going to be before clicking) the plane can be measured slowing down as it gets destroyed.

Wings with "NO STEP" decals all over them ain't cookie cutting a steel frame wall.

And this is moot because the top 10% can't crush the lower 90% no matter how hot the jet fuel burned.

Ol' Newton took a break that day

They said they collected over 90% of Flight 93 and it's all stored in the Iron Mountain storage facility.

I thought he was talking the towers not the pent.

Lol shear cuts and putting all the pieces back together after a hijacking. Ya really unprecedented. Are you 12?

Are you? Are you an American? How about a Christian? Not one of those? I doubt it, cause you don't act like one.

Are you human? Maybe you're that.

Go do your own research. I don't care what your stupid community college professor told you. Education and wisdom are not the same thing and you are clearly very, very lacking in wisdom.

I admit I have the spirit of a child in me. But that has nothing to do with my own point of view based on my own research.

What's your point of view based on? The tv? What your daddy said? You're an extremely offensive person.

Please, do us all a favor, go away, to visit the fox news reddit or something where you belong.

They only do that for to look for mechanical failures.

They don't do that with terrorist attacks since they already know why the plane crashed iirc.

I think the NTSB does that. I don’t think they did it for American 11 or United 175 (planes that supposedly hit WTC).

I remember when I was researching 9/11 back in the day I found video that basically proved it wasn't a plan and more than likely a missile. I slowed videos down frame by frame and there were a couple frames that showed it as smaller than a plane, black, with no wings.... I'll see if I can dig that up again

Please re-post. Sounds very intriguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zze32ZEjt30

Thanks!

This seems like the video I saw long ago, but it seems different, like it's' missing an angle or frames or something. I specifically remember seeing a thin missile-like (definitely non-plane-like) object, but I don't see it in this one. I'll keep looking.

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There's a lot of stuff you can find still.

I 'watched', more like listened, to a secret interview a guy conducted with a maintenance man from DC that apparently witnessed the Pentagon incident.

The guy was clearly afraid to speak on camera about any of it. The interviewer had to sneakily stick a phone in his pocket to record the guy talking about how he was 'spoken to'. It was probably a missile of some kind.

This is all speculation of course, I can't say I've studied the pentagon thing very deeply, spent most of my time with the towers.

I feel you can rationally prove the official story is garbage strictly based on the towers, how they were built and what jet fuel actually is(it sounds a lot nastier than it is).

757’s are HUGE!!! A heavy aircraft like that would be near impossible to control that close to the ground at that speed. Especially for a pilot that only had only had one lesson in a Cessna 172.

They were all absolutely terrible pilots, the best of BinLaden’s merry band of jihadists, Hanjour, was described by his instructor as such “I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all”. Meanwhile career pilots can’t pull off what Hanjour did to the Pentagon in simulators.

Clearly a hijacked plane.

I don’t think it’s crazy at all. It’s sane... very sane.

Look at it from their perspective. You can’t hide 2 Trillion missing dollars forever. Too many people involved in that much money, even if all of them got paid, it’s unlikely they would of be able to cover that shit forever.

So what do you do when the truth coming out is unacceptable? You make it so that the truth can never possibly come out, and even if nuggets of truth emerge, they are deniable.

It’s why murderers dissolve bodies in vats of acid. No body, no murder.

So how do you make enough money that if you put it in cash it would fill the Grand Canyon “disappear”? Well, money is basically imaginary, so you don’t have to make the money disappear, you just have to make records of it disappear.

But in this case, the records would have been in the Pentagon, one of the most secure installations on earth. You can’t just burgle the file by cabinet with the invoices. You have to think bigger than that. The pentagon has to burn.

But there’s the problem... how do you burn down the most secure building on the planet? It can’t be done by normal means, but Rumsfeld et. al. had the literal Army at their disposal. They could just blow it up.

How frustrating that must have been. They had the means to solve their problem in 5 minutes, but couldn’t just start lobbing artillery rounds at the Pentagon, so they got creative. They probably thought: “What is the best way to get away with a crime that can’t be hidden?”

The mob does this all the time. They get a hit man to shoot someone, and the hit man just leaves the gun right next to the body. Why? To make it easier for the cops to close the case. If the investigation drags on, they may get unlucky and get the only honest cop on the force investigating it. And the thing is, investigations tend to uncover threads, and threads get followed, and pretty soon the boss has to worry about that one time 15 years ago that he was with the hit man at the mob office Christmas party xeroxing their drunken asses and putting it in everyone’s mailbox.

So you just file off the serial number and drop the gun on the body. The cop gets to close the case, doesn’t have to do extra paperwork, and everybody wins. So that’s what they did. Only instead of a snub nose .38, it was a Boeing 747, or a Tomahawk cruise missile depending on who you ask. And instead of filing off the serial numbers, they left them on there, metaphorically speaking, because they knew it would lead back to their guy Osama, no love lost there...

And hopefully nobody would ever find that pic of Rumsfeld and Osama xeroxing their drunken asses at the CIA Christmas party...

Do they close murder cases if they don't find the murderer but have the murder weapon?

Actually the reason they leave it is to eliminate a piece of evidence that could link back to the guy doing the job. I'm just theorizing that it also makes it easier to move the case to the unsolved pile. I also doubt that happens before the end of the shift.

And before you ask, I also don't have evidence of Donald Rumsfeld and Osama Bin Laden having attended the same Christmas parties.

But Bush and the Bin Ladens?

Maybe not Osama Bin Laden himself, an maybe not GWB, but I am willing to bet Bush #1 at least attended a barbecue with some of the Bin Laden’s.

They were fairly well off weren’t they and Bush 1, was an oilman and head of the CIA.

There was also that photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam’s hand after he sold him some chemical weapons to use on Iran... That was a good one.

I believe some Bushes and Bin Ladens were eating together when 911 happened.

[Yep](www.globalresearch.ca/george-w-bush-my-dad-was-meeting-with-the-brother-of-osama-on-september-11-2001-does-that-make-him-a-terror-suspect/5436650/amp)

Source is not top tier.. there are others though

No.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.

Those are croissants

Unfortunately the records for the 2.3 trillion weren't in the offices struck at the Pentagon. And the 2.3 trillion wasn't "missing" either, the accounting methods just weren't standardized so there was no way to do any type of global audit.

Well it isn't missing the people who have it in their pockets. Right.

While we are applying skepticism to 9/11, let's not forget that the alleged speed of the planes is impossible at ground level (where the air is 3x more dense than cruising altitude).

The tower explosively turned into dust before our very eyes, WTC7 was blatantly demolished, career pilots can’t replicate what Hanjour supposedly did to the pentagon in simulators, I could keep going and going, the list of bullshit is very, very long.

Good point.

For a missile, not so much.

So do you think it was actually a plane (vs. a missile) that hit the pentagon? I feel like a plane hitting that exact spot would be very difficult to guarantee.

Could have been either. I don’t mean to hedge, but I only saw the debris field on TV, and it looked like a debris field. TV says it was a plane so what choice do I have but to think it was a plane? But the internet says if it was a plane, it’s unlike any from building collisions previous or since.

Both are plausible I guess. Either way I have to take somebody’s word for it.

Have you considered the possibility that there were no planes involved in 9/11 whatsoever? September Clues is your friend.

At the Pentagon and maybe in PA yes. But obviously not in NYC. You can't argue that.

You can't argue that.

Yes, you can.

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than you could have ever imagined.

I lived in Jersey. I was 18. I saw the second plane hit.

Pics or it didn't happen.

lol. done with this convo. I'm a 9/11 conspiracist but it's people like you that give us a bad name.

Stories and no evidence. Yeah, it other people who give you a bad name.

Suddam got lucky Rumsfield couldn't pin it on him

Nothing was ever going to happen to anyone over that money, there was no need to fly a plane into the pentagon

Trump is doing a huge audit now, you guys say Israel did 9/11- trump is friends with Netanyahu- so are they going to kill trump to stop the audit?

I doubt it

Because 9/11 was done by terrorists that had nothing to do with Israel or the missing pentagon money

I didn’t say Israel did 9-11.

"Because 9/11 was done by terrorists that had nothing to do with Israel or the missing pentagon money"

Also, not true about Israel. Bin Laden himself said it was partly about Israel.

Your post reminds me of the opening scene from the first Jack Reacher movie. A sniper has a specific target but makes it look like a mass shooter by killing people around them. Evil shit.

Kinda reminds me of that crazy gunman who walked into that pizza place & fired at the one hard drive that would probably reveal something we'd like to know. But, it's just a coincidence.

Can you elaborate? Thanks!

He’s talking about Comet Pizza shooting in DC.

This is certainly one interpretation of what happened, but has no substantive evidence. I️t is a part of pizzagate.

He's not saying that the hard drive was destroyed deliberately or otherwise.

He's saying a guy who was supposed to be there to find out the truth about Comet fired only 1 shot , a shot at the 1 machine that may have been able to get him his answers.

Didn't really make any sense but the guy was nuts.

No, when people bring up the Comet Pizza hard drive, they are literally saying it's a false flag attack to destroy the Comet Pizza server where child p0rn was found.

the info that the bullet specifically hit the hard drive was completely made up by some random site. Of course now it's out there and spewed like fact. The reports even say it just struck the tower, not hard drive. They've shown the tower on TV interviews and there's a hole in the top by the CD drive and power supply. No where near the hard drive.

Not sure how it would ever reveal something you want to know. The place wasn't under any investigation so you would never know what was on it anyways. Why would they come up with some convoluted shooter plot to destroy a hard drive to begin with when they have all the time in the world to just wipe it with free software from the internet or throw it in a fire if they want to during their free time.

He's not saying that the hard drive was destroyed deliberately or otherwise.

He's saying a guy who was supposed to be there to find out the truth about Comet fired only 1 shot , a shot at the 1 machine that may have been able to get him his answers.

Didn't really make any sense but the guy was nuts.

Don't you just love how brand new accounts who have never posted before show up to tell us exactly what's what to think about pizzagate? Everyone here is SO helpful!

after years of doing tech support, i can truthfully tell you there are THOUSANDS of people who don't know better and call a PC tower the "hard drive". they call the display "the computer" too. people are stupid.

In fact, no, neither of those things happened. Rumsfeld didn't say anything about missing money, he mentioned long-known accounting problems in a routine speech on 9/10/2001. And the part about "destroyed files of the missing trillions" is a hoax.

Rumsfeld didn't announce anything new on September 10, 2001. He briefly mentioned accounting problems in a routine speech titled DOD Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week Kickoff—Bureaucracy to Battlefield: "Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."

The 2.3 trillion dollar figure comes from this audit report from the year 2000 (PDF) about fiscal year 1999 (Oct. 1998-Sep. 1999).

Even before the final report was issued, the story was in the news. From March 5, 2000, eighteen months before 9/11:

Pentagon's Finances Just Don't Add Up

Audit: Hundreds of computer systems fail to keep running totals of income and outgo. Last year, the Defense Department's bookkeeping errors totaled more than the entire federal budget.

March 05, 2000|JOHN M. DONNELLY | ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.

Rumfeld was asked to look into the accounting problems at his confirmation hearings. That discussion was mentioned in the news, for example on the PBS newshour.

Other mentions of the $2.3 trillion from before 9/11 are collected here: http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and__2_3_trilli.html

As to the plane crash destroying files relating to the audit, that's a hoax. The offices involved with the audit were the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS), the Office of the Inspector General, and the Comptroller.

None of those were in the area of the Pentagon that was hit.

This book documents which offices in the Pentagon were hit. (Also available as PDF) There is no DFAS, Inspector General, or Comptroller there.

The Defense Department continued to work to reconcile the numbers after 9/11.

The main Defense Department accounting office is the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS), which has 12,000 employees, located all over the world. Most of the 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions were because of communication problems between the DFAS offices in Kansas City and Cleveland, copying transactions from the Marine Corps ledgers to the Navy ledgers (the Marine Corps is part of the Navy) in order to prepare reports.

Note that Kansas City and Cleveland are not in the Pentagon. Not only are the primary computers involved not in the Pentagon, the backups are not either. The Defense Department and the National Archives and Records Administration maintain an extensive system of records located all over the country.

Thanks for the added background and context.

I think the real conspiracy in what Rumsfeld said on 9/10 was that the Pentagon can't share information between floors!

I feel like no matter when it happened, you could find quotes from random people from the weeks leading up that would make it "suspicious". Not because it's actually linked, but because there's a bunch of people that work at the pentagon and reference it.

Sharing facts? Must be a shill!!! /s

The reason why there are 2.3 trillion missing does not retract from the simple fact that there are circumstances within our apparent mighty government that could allow this kind of situation to take place.

The simple fact remains, if this much money is 'unaccounted for' then there -is no accounting-. Any detail of why insults my intelligence - you mean to tell me, these things cannot be accounted for, they are aware of the issue and why it happens and yet it is still not resolved? Considering the amount of money we're talking about, siting 'budget restraints' would be as disconcerting.

In a sane world, the military would have its grossly enormous budget slashed to a reasonable amount until they got this hemorrhaging money leak under control.

Unfortunately we live in this crazy world where everyone knows it's being used to line pockets and fund super secret special projects that can never see the light of day on an accountant's spreadsheet, but no one can do a damned thing about it. Just another black hole where the wealth of this once rich and great nation is being carelessly burned away.

Obviously you have no idea how a business is run and how an audit is conducted and how those are two different things and intricacies involved especially in government intra-agency. Your only insulting your own intelligence.

If I ran a business like the Pentagon I'd be in prison charged with breaking every financial law that the US. government has on its books by the end of the working day.

Are you serious?

Name me a business that can suffer 2.3 trillion 'unaccounted for', missing or not, on their books!!

I appreciated all the information and all, but to try and tell me I shouldn't be absolutely baffled? Shocked? Appalled? Why aren't you?! hah!

Exactly! The thing that he speaks about 2.3 trillions like it's a couple of thousand or even million dollars is in fact really insulting. It's just so much money that the everyday regular Joe can not even conceive.
We could built 15 Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers.
Cover the cost of all work leading up to the first Elon Musk's Mars launch 20 times over. Repay every single student's debt in the US and still be left with $500billion change.

He never said 2.3T is missing. He said there are 2.3T in transactions that are unaccounted for. You'd have to take some business and accounting/financial classes to understand that, but it is a far cry from $2.3T being missing. That would be the equivalent of about the 8 prior years of defense spending just being gone. Obviously that didn't happen because it would be quite noticeable.

I'm not saying there's no concern for defense spending/over-spending/lost money, I'm just saying it DOES NOT MEAN $2.3T IS MISSING.

Sounds like semantics.

Ultimately, what we're talking about, is as you said, misspending or worse, just flat out lies and deception.

Whether something is missing or not, I don't think that's the point most people are making. We're talking about a word. But if 2.3 T is 'unaccounted for' then there IS NO ACCCOUNTING. And that I would say is much worse.

You still don't understand. It's not properly accounted for using standard accounting practices (GAAP). This is technical. It doesn't mean that you can't find a purchase order for something. It doesn't mean that the something wasn't received. It means the accounting (as in bookkeeping) isn't to standard and therefore can't be reconciled normally.

He was asking for upgrades to their systems to get the entire federal defense spending leviathan to accounting standards. He wasn't telling you that people lied or deceived (although that happens, it's not his point.)

Fair enough. Considering Donald Rumsfeld isn't exactly a bleeding heart liberal, there is probably credence to what he was saying.

However. The simple fact remains - maybe Rumsfeld wasn't admitting a crime, doesn't matter - our mighty, mighty government apparently hasn't been keeping their data systems up to date. I don't give a shit how 'hard it is', they have millions, billions in resources, they have had decades to update these things. It's 2017!!!!!

They have NO EXCUSE. 2.3 trillion, what's that, a million millions??

I don't care what reasons they site for -why-, the fault is theirs - it was their system to make and fix and they failed miserably, obviously. It's their damn jobs, considering all the government does that they really shouldn't do, not in the original sense and purpose of the government and is otherwise NOT doing what they are meant and tasked to do? Zero excuse. They get no slack.

And whether my judgment is just or not - this isn't on me, it's on them, why does a Christian American who takes the Constitution seriously express absolutely zero trust in any of them?

It's like Sun Tzu said, they have created the circumstances of their own defeat.

I'm confused.

Are you claiming there is nothing to be concerned about when we are told that 2.3 trillion of taxpayer dollars is missing? And that the day after the announcement of an investigation into said missing funds an explosion destroys the area of the Pentagon housing all the evidence and people pertaining to said investigation?

Nothing to see here? Move along?

You don't spread actual debunked lies with the intent to start an actual, factual conversation about the way money is accounted for. OP posted a full-of-shit, misleading, [lie](This is thoroughly debunked)

yes it's a lie that we all saw with our own eyes Runsfield say those words. And here you are not letting "facts" speak for themselves. in this case "thoroughly" just means you threw a bunch of reddit links together. inb4 for your very angry reply discrediting me.

I'm confused now.. Where's the video of him saying it?

https://youtu.be/IVpSBUgbxBU

Just a sound bite and no context? Seems like a BS source.

you can easily find another to suite your needs.

No. If you can't properly cite a source it's not up to me to disprove your claim.

Misinterpreting someone's words doesn't make your interpreted reality true. If an official spokesperson misspoke or said something unclearly, that doesn't make the erroneous statement true.

It didn't hit the area housing the evidence. It wasn't even kept at the pentagon.

it was probably over at WTC7 with the Enron hard drives that were destroyed.

It's in fucking Kansas city!!!!!

You're the hero this subreddit needs.

beware the guy who says there is no conspiracy on a conspiracy sub. there's nothing to debunk. Rumsfield said those words. why does it take 10's of links to disprove just that video?

Rumsfield said those words

Nice context

What part of "We cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions" don't you understand?

But seriously don't play dumb. The context is this entire post, and you literally posted the whole context of the speech.

The biggest flaw with your "analysis", is that you seem to make the assumption that op thinks that the trillions in missing happened literally on 9/10/01. Obviously it's a collection of debt that has accrued due to ongoing fraud and waste.

So don't act like there "nothing" there. the most objective mind can see some discrepancies.... Conclusions aside

What part of "We cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions" don't you understand?

I understand it. Our government is highly incompetent and it's possible even that there is a conspiracy of some kind covering up government waste/fraud.

There's a big difference between saying something fishy is going on with gov't finances, and to say that's the reason 9/11 happened are two completely different things.

Our government is highly incompetent

I don't think anyone who can manage things like JFK, MKUltra and Funding for ridiculous Wars are incompetent. Maybe most of politicians are incompetent and ignorant, but the government (the ones who actually control it) aren't.

Keep living in absolutes buddy

Yo I'm skeptical as fuck, but I still don't believe shit without evidence.

Your argument is essentially that he has 'too much evidence' and that's suspicious, without actually providing any evidence of your own.

lol shame you didn't follow this convo properly.

Hey I'm on mobile and my phone is a piece of crap. Can you cut and paste you comment debunking this conspiracy theory and send it to me? I've been trying to collect all the evidence debunking this particular conspiracy and I would eventually like to make a post on here about it.

Thank you

It's too bad this sub is clogged up with these ridiculous narratives

Government files arnt only kept in one place. In 2001 they were already being backed up offsite.

You got it!

Aren't you a mod here? Don't you think by now you'd recognize one of the most easily refuted claims of the entire theory, and correct it for the sub instead of pretending that it is correct?

Not to mention Building 7, the command center of WTC, which was not hit by a plane and which made history by collapsing into it's own basement due to fire(excluding the Towers in this instance which did the same thing).

Building 7 had the ENRON files, among other things, another interesting coincidence.

Another cute little tidbit:

The WTC was the largest repository of Gold in the west, possibly the globe. It was where "World Trade" occurred. If one country owes another country, some dude would wheel a big ol' cart o' gold bricks from one country's cage to another to make payments.

When the towers fell, that gold was not recovered. I remember reading a report at the time about discovery of an abandoned transport truck in the lower workings of the towers. The trailer was loaded up with about 1/8th of the total amount of gold known to be on site. The truck (and attendant escort motorcycles had been abandoned before they could be moved off-site. The other 7/8ths or whatever of the gold was never recovered.

2 trillion in the Pentagon, God knows how many millions or billions in bullion... The dual insurance payoffs for the fallen towers.

A select few people made obscene amounts of money by murdering lots of their own countrymen...

Die hard 3 or 4?

Pccht.

The 6th one was the best.

And you know it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/01/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-vault-below-ground-zero-silver-and-gold.html

The WTC was the largest repository of Gold in the west, possibly the globe. It was where "World Trade" occurred.

Yeah no, not at all. Also, several other countries have world trade center's, it's not a unique thing.

The second

This is thoroughly debunked

The side the plane crashed into was under construction. And think about it. It happened in 2001. Most of their files were digital. Although 9/11 was a conspiracy, this facet of the conspiracy is disinfo.

Yes, the coincidence and the fact there was no plane that hit the Pentagon. One would think it was worth investigating a little further.

It wasn't a plane. It was a missile from a sub.

A missile that somehow had 757 engine parts and seats?

Oh you're right. I remember seeing them on the lawn scattered everywhere.

http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html

Excerpt from the article; The Too-Small Engine Parts

The idea that the engine parts photographed at the crash site were too small to be from an engine found on a 757 is based on a failure to appreciate that different parts of a modern high-bypass turbofan engine differ dramatically in diameter. The fallacy is illustrated by a passage in one of the more popular articles purporting to prove that no 757 crashed into the Pentagon: The Missing Wings.

excerpt title: The Missing Wingsauthors: A. K. Dewdney and G. W. Longspaugh

Only one engine was found inside the Pentagon. The two images below show two parts of the single engine found in the Pentagon. The left-hand image shows what appears to be part of the rotor element bearing the stubs of vanes. The right-hand image shows what appears to be the compressor (front) stage of the engine encased by its housing. This engine is barely a third the diameter of a large turbofan engine that powers the Boeing 757.

They didn't and whatever you saw or think you did. You didn't. I watched a security cam from a gad station the day it happened. No fucking planes.

Ok, so how do you explain the myriad of parts at the scene? You can't just claim you saw some footage and user that claim as proof.

I did, a missile. What do you have? The engine is clearly not big enough to be from 757. And I have never personally saw a photo showing plane seats. If you have please, show me. I would like to see.

Find them yet?

If it was a missile, how did it know over all the light poles? Wait, never mind, that was staged in advance. Of course.

I guess you forgot about missile targeting systems? Or doesn't that technology exist?

Learning this, re-learning this, and the casual broadcasts that came out about this economic “whoops” - AND NO BODY FLINCHES? It hurts. I know.

Make it a MEME and Red Pill the normies on facebook, twitter, instagram, etc

That is correct. And things just continued on as usual because most people remain blissfully unaware. Sad, isn't it?

If it's a cover story it probably would have been smart of him to not admit to the 2 trillion...

Big Story ? with not much media coverage ?
From One America News Network:

An economics professor at Michigan State University made a shocking discovery while reviewing the finances of the federal government.

Dr. Mark Skidmore claims he and a group of graduate students discovered $21 trillion missing in the federal budget going back to 1998.

In one instance, the team found an unauthorized transfer of $800 billion dollars from the Treasury Department to the U.S. Army.

The transfer is labeled as an “adjustment” and indicates it was to reconcile past years.

However, Skidmore says he finds it troubling since the report also shows multiple transfers of around $130 billion.

He says he tried to talk to those who created the report, but stopped when officials disabled the online links to view the documents.

“If trillions of dollars are flowing in and flowing out, it appears to be outside of our Constitution and outside of the rule of law,” said Skidmore. “If that’s the case, that really is troubling.”

The professor believes the missing funds could even be a national security issue.

He says it’s unacceptable, and is urging the American people to “stand up.”



http://archive.is/Mjjj2#selection-223.0-223.64

this should be good - lol - in a few years (?)

After decades of waste, overpayments, trillions of missing or improperly accounted for dollars, and most recently losing track of 44,000 US soldiers, the Pentagon is about to undergo its first audit in history conducted by 2,400 auditors from independent public accounting firms to conduct reviews across the Army, Navy, Air Force and more - followed by annual audits going forward.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-10/pentagon-undergo-first-ever-audit-after-decades-sloppy-accounting-and-missing-trilli

Watch the entire video of that speech, at no time did he say that $2T was missing. He eas making a statement about how hard it was to track transactions. He talks about they’re still using old accounting HW & SW and they’re in need of updates to keep up.

This is about as stupid as the Silverstein pull it theories. The idea that you all think these people are admitting to crime and coverup to rooms full of people and literally millions watching TV is an absurd. Thought process

Nothing is coincidence

Yep, pretty much.

Is that actually the story? The hell? That IS suspicious. Anyone in the military can tell you stories of disgusting amounts of loss, waste and fraud. They didn't need to make a cover story, the story is just 'whoops we lost the files' and everyone would believe it because they can't even find my leave form the day after I submitted it.

I don't believe in coincidences at this level, and I certainly don't believe what the US Government tells me.

The idea that files were destroyed by the "plane crash" is so ridiculous. It was 2001, not 1967.

And we started a war in the Middle East over this which made those people hate us. Then we have the decency to say WE HATE MUSLIMS and call them violent when we have ruined them for generations to come

BUT who or what organization has the two trillion that would make that person the richest on earth if it’s a single man wouldn’t it? We know it’s not George bushes baby back bitch ass. Who ever did this killed So many many people the diff is it was done in the technology time we’ve done this many times before just way less press and way more ignorant humans/

Seriously, get over it already.

Nothing to see here, it was just a cohencidence.

What do you mean by that ?

it was probably over at WTC7 with the Enron hard drives that were destroyed.

Ok, so how do you explain the myriad of parts at the scene? You can't just claim you saw some footage and user that claim as proof.

Before every tall building in every major city around the world is build it has to hand in a building plan but also a demolition plan to my knowledge. To protect it's surrounding against eg. a earthquake or destructive fire.

I thought he was talking the towers not the pent.

You realize you completely missed the point, right? The posts down are spread out in a wide swath, something that a missile could not do.

These things:

http://www.check-6.com/gallery/img/airliners/boeing_757_engine_unknown.jpg