its hard to when that is all thats on the radio and tv lol but really what is up with that are they all satanic cultist pedos?

The weird part is this has been happening on Reddit for as long as I can remember; years before pizzagate.

Yeah like when they banned /r/jailbait? You guys are reaching...

Acting like my comment has anything to do with admins banning r/jailbait and not the general behavior of the Reddit hivemind is reaching.

Anyone who refers to the people here as "you guys" while insulting you is a brigading troll. Don't mind them.

It hasn't become more evident, it's just that people who never gave the subject much thought before have been attracted to the idea of a global satanic conspiracy and have been acting like child abuse is some evil that they discovered.

Those with longer memories will remember the moral panics of the 1980s and will see the same thing happening here, though on a much smaller scale.

Have there? I looked at the history and the number of edits doesn't seem substantially larger than that for a page I chose at random (chocolate cake](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chocolate_cake&action=history)). Which specifc edits on the moral panic article trouble you?

Why is that weird? You don't think pedophiles have been trying to normalize pedophilia long before Wikileaks' published John Podesta's weird emails?

They'll ("the hivemind") also criticize Islam for allowing forced marriages with children, but yeah, pretty obvious it's been pushed slowly here, and recently in MSM as PG exposed a ton of shit.

Likely a pre-existing PR plan that was forced into motion due to PG itself occurring.

More mental gymnastics

... you mind giving any examples?

I don’t think anybody in Reddit feels good about pedophilia?

So vague...

Could you provide it? I’ve never seen or noticed it. Maybe I dunno what to look for?

Read the article again. Those arrests go back over six years. The author has been documenting cases for years. There was no "recent mass arrest of over a hundred professors". Can we stick to facts, please?

Yeeeees

Yeeeeeees

Let the facts flow through you

It... doesn’t specifically state that, nor does it need to?

If you were to pay any attention to the dates of any of those individual’s charges, you would see that they go back to 2011, up to 2017.

Fourth paragraph down:

For the past few years I have been monitoring reports of professors and staff arrested for trading in child rape and torture; also known as child pornography. [My emphasis.]

And, as u/MoronToTheKore (great username, by the way) has pointed out, you need to look at the dates of the arrests. they go back as far as 1998:

Antonio Lasaga, 52 year old geology professor at Yale University, was arrested, 19 December 1998, on charges of sexual assault and child porn possession.

(Isn’t it, though?)

I don't know, it adds a bit of je ne sais quoi!

It is a little strange how dismissive a lot of those posts are and how they are (willfully?) misinterpreting what OP is saying almost every time (even though a lot of it isn’t OP, it’s from the article...). A lot of people start arguing the phrasing lol

Probably thinks education brainwashes people into being liberals.

No idea. Don’t think it matters, much.

If a quality education tends to make people more liberal, it should say something about being liberal.

Absolutely outside of the realm of possibility.

If educational institutions tend to create liberals, this exemplifies my personal beliefs about the veracity of liberal beliefs.

But, I’m a liberal. I could be biased... and I encourage you to remember that what is perceived as “brainwashing” and “propaganda” is almost entirely dependent on whether the person agrees or disagrees with the views expressed.

It is pretty clear from your posts and questions that you’re attempting to gently come at this from an angle unfavorable to liberal institutions.

I’m sorry, what is Hollywood doing? What agenda isn’t being pushed?

No, I was talking about OP in that example you gave us.

Yeah, and everybody always accuses the guy they don’t like of it. It’s like the new Russian spy/gay man/pedophile pejorative.

I generally see little actual evidence of pedophilia.

... good?

As far as justice being served, I mean.

what rate had they been arrested before for similar crimes? has there been a spike? what would you classify as an epidemic?

Epidemic implies it is transmissible, as if you can convince somebody to be attracted to children. This has as much basis in fact as the proposition that you can convince somebody to be straight or gay; none at all.

The proportion of pedophiles in society is one static number if you define it as attraction to prepubescent children, and another, much more variable number, if define it as attraction to children under the age of consent.

Either way, the only thing that gives the perception of increasing occurrence is increasing attention being paid to these issues... which is good, because it deserves to be paid attention to.

Epidemic implies it is transmissible,

One might reasonably say that it is. The abuser often transmits it to the victim. Most pedos were themselves abused.

While cycles of abuse exist, they are a real phenomena, actual sexual attraction to children is immutable.

Abuse of children otherwise can be for reasons other than sexual gratification.

While cycles of abuse exist, they are a real phenomena,

Therapy, let's break the cycle.

actual sexual attraction to children is immutable.

Immutable, eh? Then wipe those individuals out.

Source for this recent mass arrest? If you're referring to this, then note that it wasn't a mass arrest and the arrests go back over six years.

To put this in context, according to a recent speech by Jeff Sessions, over the last 20 years there have been " more than 73,000 people suspected of sexually exploiting children — including 8,800 just in the last year [2016]".

So, yes, there is a lot of child abuse going on, and it's nothing new, but that doesn't justify making shit up about it. The victims deserve the issue to be taken seriously and not turned into some spurious conspiracy sideshow.

Could you pay attention to the dates in the article?

Skimming, I see 2017, 2016, 2015... back to 2011.

Fourth paragraph down:

<i>For the past few years</i> I have been monitoring reports of professors and staff arrested for trading in child rape and torture; also known as child pornography. [My emphasis.]

Some examples from the list of arrests showing how far back the arrests go:

Daniel Shaw, 47 year old information technology (IT) staff for Purdue University, was arrested, 23 September 2014

Mark Manion, a 51 year old philosophy professor who taught ethics at Drexel University, was arrested, 28 October 2010, on child porn charges. He pleaded guilty, 13 January 2010 ... [Clearly one of these years is wrong. The only confirmation I can find is here which also says he pled guilty in 2010, which means he was probably arrested in 2009.]

Justin Bradley May, a 34 year old economics professor at William and Mary, was arrested, July 2010, on child pornography production

Kenneth Martin Kyle, a 47 year old Assistant Professor of Justice Studies at California State East Bay, was arrested, 15 March 2010,

James Lesner Query, Jr, a 55-year-old communication professor at James Madison University, was arrested, in 2010, on child pornography charges.

Diego Fasolini, a 42 year old Italian professor at George Mason University, was arrested, October 2010, on child pornography charges.

Now, how about you admit you were wrong or back up your claim of a "recent mass arrest"?

I did before it became the_donald (all Democrats are pedoes)

Any proof for this?

How about the fact that everyone who points out the Podesta's art is labeled insensitive to art and unartistic?

That's such bullshit. They are trying to blur the lines.

I can’t recall anybody who didn’t think Posesta’s art was weird. Everybody thought it was bizarre.

The only qualification I would add is that most of that art wasn’t actually in his home.

Who is “they”?

I would hope not. I may be wrong but wasn’t there one main and/or several other subs dedicated to pedo shit that was only taken down a year or so ago?

I dunno. Maybe r/jailbait? That was porn for girls who supposed to be 18, but also supposed to look younger. Obviously, what ended up happening, was that girls who were not 18 were having images posted.

Look at the down votes, already. Anytime you mention Podesta’s art or Alefantis’ Instagram pics people are here jump down your throat. There’s an army of shills on here who are paid to discredit any links made between the elite and pedophilia.

Or, you know, maybe the downvotes come from OP making shitty arguments and not understanding the article he linked.

I’m sure that’s part of it, but I’ve seen this happening a lot, lately. It’s quite obvious.

Not really.

This sub is very divided on almost every topic.

But they shouldn’t be on the one big conspiracy. Any self-respecting conspiracy theorist knows that pagan Luciferians who are into human sacrifices and pedophilia rule the world behind the scenes. If you don’t know that, you’re not digging deep enough. Anyone on here claiming that any part of that isn’t true is a shill or terrible at doing research. Flat earth theory? Sure. Moon landing? Sure. Secret Satanist cabal? No.

I cant tell if you’re joking or not

Case in point. If you’re a real boy, do your homework. If not, get a real job. There’s a mountain of evidence.

I can't tell either. It's either a masterfully subtle parody of the conspiracy mindset or someone who actually believes it.

So the things you support are true because research, other theories are probably not true because...

Yeah.

No, because of evidence obtained through research. Some theories are more flimsy than others. Why am I explaining this to a person on the conspiracy sub? Like, wtf? Are you really into conspiracies or are you just trolling? Some of have spent years devouring books and documentaries on these subjects. Do your homework.

Burden of proof lies on the one making a claim.

I just love when people say this. You live in the Information Age. Everything you want to know is a keystroke away. It’s not my job to hold anyone’s hand and educate them. Do the work. Knowledge tastes much sweeter when it’s self-actualized. I couldn’t possibly, nor would I want to, list the mountain of information I’ve read over the past several years. Do the work. I did. Don’t wait for someone to tell you what to believe.

Don't complain then if no one listens to you or takes you seriously.

Not everyone is going to take what I say seriously, but people lurking on the conspiracy sub should already know this stuff or be actively seeking it out. This isn’t the place for close-minded folks who would rather deny a claim than look into themselves. Which brings me back to my claim that this sub is being over-run by paid shills. It’s no longer a place to openly discuss conspiracies without open-minded individuals. It’s a place where the people who have done their homework get attacked at every turn. It’s a concerted effort.

If you can't or wont back up your statements, you can't claim to want open discussion, not without being a massive hypocrite.

And you don't get to dictate what a sub is or how a community is. You aren't that important.

Look up these family names: Mellons, Carnegies, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Dukes, Astors, Dorrances, Reynoldses, Stilimans, Bakers, Pynes, Cuilmans, Watsons, Tukes, Kleinworts, DuPonts, Warburgs, Phippses, Graces, Guggenheims, Milners, Drexels, Winthrops, Vanderbilts, Whitneys, Harknesses. Find out how they made their fortunes; what organizations they’ve founded, funded, or belong to; they’re spiritual beliefs; books they’ve written; royal bloodlines they belong to; etc.

Look up Aleister Crowley, Alice Bailey, Anton LaBey, Helena Blavatsky, Annie Besant, and many more.

Research pagan rituals; research the spiritual practices of ancient Mayans; Incas; Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptian, Canaanites, Israelites, etc; research fire sacrifices; research foundation sacrifices; research Moloch/Molech/Ba’al (depicted as calves, bulls, or owls).

Research Gnosticism, Theosophy, Luciferianism, the occult, new age mysticism, etc.

Look up human trafficking statistics, missing children statistics, drug trafficking statistics, etc.

Look up Robert David Steele, Benjamin Fulford, William Binney, Corey Goode, David Wilcock, David Icke, etc.

Research central banking and the FED.

Research the Clinton emails.

Research pedophilia and the code words and symbols associated with it.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, energy level shit. It goes way deeper.

I honestly shouldn’t have to do this. You all clearly have access to the internet. Give a shit and do the work. The cabal takes this seriously and we should, too.

I don't actually care about that shit, I was merely making a point about how to actually discuss things online. Was that really so hard that we had to have this conversation?

Yes, it was. I had to go out of my way to educate you could’ve simply done it yourself. Had you done it yourself, you wouldn’t have felt the need to come on here and tell me I’m wrong.

I never said you were wrong, I said the burden of proof to your claim lies on you, not the other person. I have no horse in this race, I honestly don't care about this kind of thing.

Then why are you lurking on this sub? You might as well learn something while you’re here.

To laugh at the weirder ones like yours, and the occasions cool thing like UFO or cryptids.

It sounds weird, but it’s real. Look for yourself.

Even if it was, I still wouldn't care. Nothing I can do about it, nothing enjoyable about it, why intentionally seek out reasons to be unhappy? At least UFOs, I can imagine a better future.

Knowledge is power. They know this, and we should too.

Tell me specifically how I would directly benefit by knowing in a meaningful way. I'll pass on meaningless platotudes, thanks.

It only seems meaningless to you to because you lack knowledge.

“If you have a golf-ball-sized consciousness, when you read a book, you'll have a golf-ball-sized understanding; when you look out a window, a golf-ball-sized awareness, when you wake up in the morning, a golf-ball-sized wakefulness; and as you go about your day, a golf-ball-sized inner happiness. But if you can expand that consciousness, make it grow, then when you read about that book, you'll have more understanding; when you look out, more awareness; when you wake up, more wakefulness; as you go about your day, more inner happiness.” - David Lynch

What can you do? Once you understand there is a small group of ultra-wealthy evil-doers who have infiltrated every aspect of our lives you can then break free. You stop giving your power to them. You stop buying their shit. You ween yourself off their tit. You become self-reliant, thus happy. The ignorant are slaves and they don’t even know it. Knowledge is power.

I'm happy now. I don't give a shit about that stuff any more than I do warlords in third world countries. It literally doesn't effect me.

Apathy is a cancer.

Nice empty phrase. A pedo might have made the beer I'm drinking. Should I pour it out, or just enjoy my life, focus oh the happiness of my life and those I care about, and be happy?

Maybe you willingly deprive yourself of happiness. Is it changing anything?

If you believe happiness comes from poisoning your body with alcohol you have a lot to learn. Funny, I actually thought you were like 14.

More than double that, actually.

You know beer is one of the most ancient creations of man?

So is human sacrifice. Should we all do that, too?Ever read the Bible?

If you want to kill yourself, that's your choice. Harming yourself of your own choice is your right as a sentient being.

Sure have, entertaining read into a bygone era.

Don’t wait for someone to tell you what to believe.

How ironic, after telling us that we "shouldn’t be [divided] on the one big conspiracy". I find it odd how some people readily accept that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked but cannot conceive of the possibility that others may genuinely diasgree with them.

Because that one isn’t a theory. It’s a conspiracy, but it isn’t a theory. It’s real. The other two are just theories.

No, it's a theory. And, not just a theory, but a pretty far-out theory. Just because you believe in it and you've read a bunch of books by others who believe in it does not make it true. That's what evidence and proof is for, which you decline to provide.

This is done in coordinated effort when pedogate related posts get linked outside of the subreddit to /r/topmindsofreddit, for example.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/7kr6rz/toastfarts_just_cant_stop_taking_about_pedophilia

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It's not being normalised you just get a few people giving a bit of scientific basis to the 'condition' and stuff. The more hysterical 'hang them all' guys then respond saying they are sympathising etc.

He means the condition of being a pedophile. Their urges are not voluntary.

You just jumped to a conclusion about his disinterest in pedophilia based on his own observations about the dynamics of this discussions. He isn’t labeling or grouping anybody in particular, just describing social discussion dynamism.

And he is doing so to describe how discussions of pedophilia generally devolve when people try to bring up compassionate solutions to the problem.

Actually, I agreed there was a problem from the get-go, very early on in this thread. Maybe you missed it.

I don’t think over-sympathizing with pedophiles is anywhere near a problem. I think a lack of intellectual honesty in the mental health and justice systems ends up creating more victims from their behavior than if we were to be frank and open in discussion about why they... are the way they are.

Normalization in terms of allowing them to seek treatment without being outed would probably be most effective.

I don’t see any normalization in the media, nor the need for that to occur.

Sometimes I'm not sure if people are just defending this agenda because somehow it indirectly effects them or they simply do not see it the agenda being pushed in the media.

You haven't provided any evidence of normalisation of paedophilia in the media. How about you do that, so we can all know exactly what you're referring to?

I think it's an overgeneralization to say that anyone who says that people are oversympathizing pedophila consist of rope hangers.

u/sons_of_many_bitches didn't say that. He/she referred to people holding extreme views on the topic – "The more hysterical 'hang them all' guys" – and there definitely are people who hold this sort of opinion. For example, in this discussion we've already seen one person post "Then wipe those individuals out".

For one who gets annoyed when he thinks his words are being misrepresented, you do an awful lot of misrepresenting of others' positions.

Thank you! You explained my point better than I could haha

You're most welcome. Happy Christmas for next week (assuming you celebrate Christmas).

They will try to make you feel bad and twist words to try to make you admit that the images found by the podesta's aren't pedophilic in nature and it's you that needs mental help for allowing sexual feelings to get evoked by these photos.

Uhhh, yeah. If you are looking at art by some of the artists Tony Podesta likes (like the Serbian painter you guys are always so quick to post paintings from, most of which are not owned by Tony Podesta) and you are have "sexual feelings" evoked by these pictures, you probably should feel bad and you should definitely go see a therapist and talk to THEM about your feelings, not a bunch of people on reddit. Cuz that's messed up, tbh.

I literally quoted you.

If you are worried about people taking your words out of context, maybe you should be more careful with how you word things. What you wrote above and what you wrote originally are not the same thing at all.

Somewhat ironic considering this all started because of some strange wording on emails that you don't know the contexts of. But that couldn't mean you're taking those words out of context, right? Nah, you're conclusion that these people are pedophiles, openly talking about it in emails to sometimes hundreds of people, but in a code that's recognizable enough that someone on 4chan knew about it - that must be right.

They ... accused me of being aroused by these photos and said that I apperently find them arousing.

Where did anyone do that? Link to the posts, please.

How can anyone look at those pictures and not feel like they're wrong? The children are tied up and look uncomfortable. If you look at those and feel fine, go get checked out.

That's not what /u/fartontoast said. He didn't say he felt like they were wrong. He said he had "sexual feelings ... evoked by these photos" which is TOTALLY different from looking at them and and feeling uncomfortable.

This goes to the heart of pizzagate - the problem is primarily with the people who are viewing these emails and paintings and photos and screaming PEDOPHILIA. Most people can read those emails and see nothing wrong with them. Most people can look at those paintings and admit their weird and make them feel uncomfortable BUT they DON'T evoke sexual feelings.

If you see children sexualized everywhere you turn, maybe it's YOU who is the problem.

I wish you hadn't. It would be much more honest if you had kept it the way it was.

I am not putting words in your mouth. I literally quoted your post.

This is golden. You are so quick to label art works "pedo art work" and the owner of a couple of those works a paedophile based purely on your prejudices, but you get annoyed when someone quotes your own words back at you.

Take a moment and think how you'd feel if dozens of people who don't know you and have never met you started making Youtube videos and websites accusing you of child abuse based solely on your original post above.

What's with the "YOU"? I never said anything like that.

omg it's the general you, get over it.

You sound sweet. Proved op's point pretty well.

I think it’s kind funny that you’re “upset” about the “normalization” of pedophilia on Reddit, and yet you have no problem also accusing someone of being a pedophile for reasons that have nothing to do with preying on children.....

And do you maybe realize how your own behavior, like calling people pedophiles Or making multiple post accusing people of being a pedophile, is only contributing to the “normalization”.........

Unfortunately there really is not enough proof that Alefantis is a pedo/trafficker. Sources of information and suspicious content stopped their flow after pizzagate blew up, instagram accounts were put on private, google map locations were deleted, etc. This makes it hard to continue investigating because they are clearly very careful with what they share online now.

Not many people here are defending Epstein because he's a convicted pedo. But views on people like Podesta, Alefantis or Biden vary dramatically. However I do believe anti-Trump shills have been rampant recently, they are usually the ones who attack your view without giving any reason apart from "thats normal" and "you're paranoid".

I'm normalizing pedophilia by calling things out for what they are? How's that?

Because a lot of the people throwing these accusations around don't care about actually stopping pedophilia, they are just using it as a tool to fuel smear campaigns against people they don't like. This sub for example, there are a lot of users who start an uproar over pizza/podesta constantly while remaining silent about people like roy moore.

And people aren't blind, they see this bias too. When you treat a serious topic like this as a tool to attack the other guy, people begin to pay attention less to similar accusations under the assumption that they might also be fake. Using pedophilia accusations as a political tool rather than treating it as a serious issue makes it harder to catch those responsible.

Basically when you go around accusing everyone you don't like of being a pedo regardless of its truth, people won't listen to you when you ARE right.

You know how some closeted homosexuals are really hateful and openly against homosexuality? I get the feeling that the same thing is happening with OP but he's denying a different urge.

what rate had they been arrested before for similar crimes? has there been a spike? what would you classify as an epidemic?

Epidemic implies it is transmissible, as if you can convince somebody to be attracted to children. This has as much basis in fact as the proposition that you can convince somebody to be straight or gay; none at all.

The proportion of pedophiles in society is one static number if you define it as attraction to prepubescent children, and another, much more variable number, if define it as attraction to children under the age of consent.

Either way, the only thing that gives the perception of increasing occurrence is increasing attention being paid to these issues... which is good, because it deserves to be paid attention to.

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omg it's the general you, get over it.

I don't actually care about that shit, I was merely making a point about how to actually discuss things online. Was that really so hard that we had to have this conversation?

To laugh at the weirder ones like yours, and the occasions cool thing like UFO or cryptids.

Sometimes I'm not sure if people are just defending this agenda because somehow it indirectly effects them or they simply do not see it the agenda being pushed in the media.

You haven't provided any evidence of normalisation of paedophilia in the media. How about you do that, so we can all know exactly what you're referring to?

Apathy is a cancer.