This is very interesting

explanation

How is that an explanation at all? OP is clearly intrigued about how these are all so strikingly similar, not the launch itself.

Provides an explanation for the LA picture, and arguably the Petrozavodsk one, as a rocket launch.

Yes read OP and read the comments in this thread.. thats not what people are confused about. At least try to act like you are reading

Wow wtf this is weird

So what was the livestream of the launch that I was watching? Like I literally watched the rocket launch as it was happening.

Could've been portals opening and closing (like the wormhole in Interstellar). I know it's been done before, the SpaceX missile launches, but that does not mean that they haven't been working with advanced tech (well more advanced than the "50 year" difference we are told exists) to access inter-dimensional stuff.

Just a thought.

So it's more likely they were using interdimensional portals than just launching a rocket to orbit?

R/con in a nut shell

Not sorry for having an open mind about shit. I don't climb on Elon Musk's d!ck and think his team is coming up with PayPal rocket launches all on its own. They are DoD "assisted" for sure.

I do not deny that it was a SpaceX launch....I just think that there is more to it.

Considering the Air Force bought some launches from them I'd say that yeah, they are getting DOD funding.

Quick someone tell me what people believe so I can believe something else. Fuck the libs and MSM!

And Soros globalists, MSM!!11!!

I'm not saying that it's more likely. I'm saying that that is a possibility. So, I consider it as an option with an open mind.

I am not a rocket-scientist or physicist, so I can't confirm or deny any of this stuff.

... this shouldnt be the first and only answer

Agreed.

I mean, to me, that doesn't take anything away from this post. It's a SpaceX launch, okay, so what are the things that look nearly identical? Were we shooting rockets into space in 1937?

I just felt like OP was implying that the SpaceX launch wasn't actually a SpaceX launch.

I like your angle on it much better.

Did you take any pictures of the event? If so could you post some of them?

I watched a live stream on the SpaceX website

and im here thinking spacex went back into time

They were in 1977

According to descriptions of eyewitnesses, the phenomenon is very similar to the observed in the area of Baikonur launches of space rockets. According to the main version of events, it is believed that in 1977 over Petrozavodsk (or a few dozen kilometers away, but at high altitude) can fly the rocket with military satellite "Cosmos-955", launched it at 4:00 from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. In favor of this version says also that the phenomenon was observed in the pre-dawn hours, when at high altitudes the sun was already up and was able to light the exhaust jet of the rocket, which gives the object the appearance of Medusa.

The one from 1937 sounds like a meteorite breaking up and shooting a chunk upwards as it exploded, giving the appearance that it was a craft that flew upwards.

What about the crucifixion?

You mean the religous art? This isn't even the most ufo-like one I've seen.

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Sorry to make the world a little less magical for you.

Occam's razor says that it was a rocket in 1937. Goddard was tinkering with rockets in the 20s.

And Hitchen's razor says that they need to provide evidence for their extraordinary claims :P

Could have been a meteor. I've seen a large meteor first hand and it looked similar.

It's not implausible. V2 rockets were the first manmade objects publicly acknowledged as being able to reach space and the first one was completed just 5 years later in 1942.

Yes, it was quite obviously a spacex launch. It would be weird for a random alien spaceship to lift off from Vandenberg AFB and do all of the actions that a Falcon 9 does in flight in perfect sequence...

And yet there is a youtuber who believes it was something piercing the supposed dome.

What is that big ball of light in the middle of that cloud? How is this a rocket launch? Really poor cover-up/excuse imo.

I mean you can personally go watch a launch from start to finish, and thats exactly what it looks like.

I mean I've seen rockets launch but what is the bright ball in the middle and how is that normal? Can you link the launch video that shows this same cloud please?

Even if that is the first stage making trajectory corrections as it is landing why is it firing upwards?

Yeah this is very strange. Hopefully that guy just replies to me with the launch vid and this can be put to rest.

I would like to know what secret payloads that Iridium sat net is employing.

What're you talking about? Links/explanation please my good sir?

I was watching something on the new sats and thier ability track all ocean vessels and aircraft with full coverage in real time. I don't have anything juicy other than the recent talk about Elon and spaceX. I assume I am being lied to by omission with almost everything.

I would like to hear more aswell

Why would be employing secret payloads? It's a private company trying to make cash, not some government run shadow organization.

They launch top secret sats all the time. In fact most spy sats are launched with some companies rockets.

Yeah, but they announce them in advance and everyone knows about them, even the most secret of paylaods. Iridium doesn't own the rocket either.

AIr traffic control satellites.

Shhhhh

Google it yourself ffs

Those are the ACS thrusters firing. You can see them firing clearly in this video.

I got it from this thread. Don't be lazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odtwXD8Q3p8

Thank you, that's a good video. What are all of these glowing orbs around this giant blimp-shaped cloud? If this is just a normal SpaceX launch, then why are there all of these giant orbs uniformly scattered in the sky?

They are stars dude, jesus.

Idk man whatever it is it looks pretty cool

Edit: you're welcome. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=105&v=wtdjCwo6d3Q

Thank you, you're right it does look like it was SpaceX. That takes care of that then :)

It's Stage 1 of the Falcon 9 using cold gas thrusters to turn itself around for a "return to launch site" landing. It's inside the exhaust plume of Stage 2.

No other rocket does that, except SpaceX's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q

17 minutes +

Interesting, thanks. Do they ever explain what all the glowing orbs around (what I think was) the rocket were? There was one in the middle of the big blimp-cloud and there were 2 more that appeared after the cloud was dispersing.

Can you post a still of the orbs? I suspect it's the 9 exhaust plumes expanding in the thin upper atmosphere. That said they are also trying to recover the fairings - the two piece clamshell that the satellites ride inside of - aka the nosecone, and they too have cold gas thrusters.

Here you go. http://imgur.com/lmcLXWF

Hmmm. Fairing halves would be my best guess.

The top one is the moon, the bottom is the fist stage.

Interesting. Do they usually glow like that after?

They're really high up and the sun is hitting them even though it's over the horizon to the camera.

Damn that's pretty cool actually.

The one on top is the moon and the one on bottom is the fist stage coming back down.

You're right. I remember the moon being over there in the beginning of the launch. Good eye mate.

Good eye mate.

Nah I wouldn't be able to tell from that picture either. I just remembered the moon being there from watching it myself.

Well good on you for remembering what I couldn't. Good day then mate :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7tNFWkdCvFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUXBqJbQKg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XeWMonmz9mU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk6__3cpwCE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gOpQVlp5pOQ

Ok the second one, the Norwegian spiral, that is the the most bullshit explanation for what happened that day. Fucking hilariously bad lying by the MSM.

But whats the fun in that?! :)

The Vancouver photo damn near matches the space x photo. What rabbit hole have you thrown me down?!

Not to be a douche but there was a post about this already. Still upvoted for visibility though.

It's perfectly fine to have more than one post like this. You and the other poster could collaborate!

So every issue on the planet can only ever have one Reddit post allocated to discussing it, and should you happen to miss the initial thread, you must never post about it ever again, otherwise someone who has read the previous post might accidentally read another post about the same issue. Got it.

what a relevant observation! you should collaborate with the aforementioned individuals about it to help spread awareness!

It's not like the earth has different time zones and not everybody on the planet is awake at the same time..

That's not true if the earth is FLAT! /s

Time zones still exist on flat earth you globetaaaaaarrrrd. jeez

/s

Babypakchoi said "It's perfectly fine..."

You may want to check out the 'norway spiral' as well, kind of simular.

the norway spiral was a failed Russian bulava missile test

I don't buy that story entirely: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/3ce08u/the_tops_post_on_rworldnews_reminded_me_of_an/

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Great find!

You linked to a CGI video in the comment section of that post.

You talking about the below comment, because that's a realy video of it. There are more out there, but that the clearest one I have seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/3ce08u/the_tops_post_on_rworldnews_reminded_me_of_an/cswrefi/

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Indeed I was. It was obviously manipulated. IMO that makes it hard to take seriously.

I don't know what to tell you, it was reported in the news and showed the various pictures & videos and other sites as well. I think you are one of the first people I have seen claim this video to be fake, even though it was reported and show at the time of the event. It's funny how skeptics work:

Skeptic on shaky blurry footage - "You can tell its fake, look how crappy the footage is...."

Skeptic on good quality footage- "You can tall its fake, look how clean the video is, it must be CGI..."

Hey friend, can you pm me where you saw the post that wasn’t Reddit?

Ditto!

Link for the lazy?

Too lazy to look for it😂

You lazy rat bastard! Hehehe

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He mentioned that in his post. Stop being a douche.

Added to the sidebar...thanks OP!

Nice to see a new ufo added that KS mod dude

We're trying to keep the conspiracy in /r/conspiracy, and I mean that in the best possible way!

I lolled... Gets pretty inception in here doesn't it.

This will help. Is there any footage of the Space X launch? I know r/space likes to jerk themselves off with anything space x, so there HAS to be footage of the evening launch, right? If there isn't, we have sonething to cook with.

Maybe they were testing some rockets but it was too secret so it was officially a UFO event and SpaceX isn't top secret so they simply tell the truth that it was a rocket launch?

Are you implying that the 1937 photo was a space x rocket?

Elon is a time traveler confirmed.

He must be hanging out with trump's uncle.

Explanation?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump

Trump's uncle was tasked with sorting Tesla's notes. Supposedly, amongst them was time travel theory. I forget the actual conspiracy theory though.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-death-ray-border-wall-trump-2017-2

No but a military one. A rocket is a rocket in the end.

UFO just means they don't officially know what it is, UFO does not mean space ship from another planet. It could be many things, a bird, a plane, a helo, superman, top secret domestic/foreign government technology, spacecraft from another dimension, or a spacecraft from another planet in our universe.

I'm hijacking the top comment thread to provide a little extra information and anecdotal evidence.

I'm from Aurora, TX. The house I grew up in is two properties away from the cemetery where the "alien" was buried. I use quotation marks only because it's conjecture at this point and we won't likely figure out the truth unless files on it are released. My family and I were close with the gravekeeper, Ned, and his family for many years. He passed away a few years ago, but I used to ask him about the grave and the alien all the time. When I was younger, he seemed to enjoy talking about it and would tell us kids the secret of where it was actually buried, rather than where the general population believed it was.

There is a small fenced in section that is raised from the rest of the property just as you enter the cemetery from the southwest entrance. He told us it is (was) buried in the southwestern most corner of that section and a tree was planted over it.

Later on when I actually became seriously interested/involved in the UFO community, a friend and I went back and asked him about it again to see if he would confirm what he said years ago. He immediately looked fearful and somewhat guilty and pretty much denied it all. Said it was a hoax. I don't know what to make of it, but something definitely changed in his demeanor over a 10 year period.

Getting back to OP's post, the craft seen across North Texas back in 1897 was said to be a cylindrical, silver object. Nothing like what we've seen recently was reported in the news that day. The Aurora alien story is one of my favorites, though, because of how closely related it is to other incidents. Also, this all took place six years before Orville and Wilbur Wright flew the first aircraft. I suggest you all research it thoroughly, if not only for an interesting story.

Yo, have you've been over at Tator Junction restaurant?

Yeah only every Sunday after church when I was a kid lol. Their chicken fried steak was a crucial part of my diet.

I ate their biscuits and gravy which was delicious.

Aurora was fun to visit.

That UFO Hunters programme did an episode on it. You can probably find it on YouTube and you'd probably find it interesting. I think they used ground penetrating radar to try to find the grave.

Quite possibly the gravekeeper's attitude changed because you'd grown up. It's one thing to spin tall tales to children, but he may not have wanted to mislead or lie to you as an adult.

Maybe so. He just genuinely seemed spooked about something. I can still remember his voice and his tone shifting as soon as he realized why we were there.

Maybe I just wanted to believe something was different, who knows?

Here's the UFO Hunters episode, in case you haven't seen it. The grave they look at looks to be the one everyone knew about and not the real one the groundsman told you about.

Never knew they did an episode on History Channel. I knew the grandson of the man at the end. His name is Billy Oates. We were in the same grade growing up.

I have to be honest, it's strange being in the middle of this.

In the middle, what are you hiding?

Oh nothing, I just meant being the middle man in a conversation about something I grew up with. It's strange being able to answer questions about it and knowing the people involved.

I know a few people out that way who have seen huge silver cylindrical objects in the sky. Crazy interesting stuff.

Yeah a few of my crazy religious family members swear up and down that they all saw this huge, silent, black disc with small blinking lights floating above them when they were moving into their house back in the 70s.

Four of them would bet their life on it. Scared my uncle Leslie half to death, but he was only 10 or so then. He crawled up under a table and started crying. They said they "felt" it to, like it was giving off this weird force or energy. They obviously can't explain it so I can't do much better.

Wow! That must have been wild to experience.

"crazy" and "religious" put together doesn't necessarily add to the story.

All I meant was that they're very religious and would be less likely than most to admit that an otherworldly craft had visited them.

Thanks though, I understand what you're getting at.

Richard Pearce flew first 😋

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Hah still, after 1897.

😀

I have a cousin who lived in Aurora TX for a while. According to him some town folk claim sometime in the past couple decades several black SUVs with G plates turned up at the graveyard and exhumed whatever was there. No idea if it is true or not but that might explain his demeanor changing.

Maybe so. I've heard a similar story, but if you knew the layout of the town and the road you drive to get to the cemetery, there are only a few houses along the way where people would have been able to see anything.

Still possible though.

This makes the most sense, but of course it will get burried because people want something fantastical.

I forget who I heard say this, but they apparently don't refer to them as UFOs because 1) they are not unidentified, but rather either belong to humans or interdimensional beings we are in contact with, and 2) they don't technically even fly.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object

It looks like an airburst meteor.

Aliens don't exist at our evolutionary level.

That's not a legit photo. Can't prove it now but I've seen plenty of old outdoor photography from that time period and it doesn't look grainy like that.. This looks like a painting that has been photographed (as far as image texture) but it seems to be accurate as far as the shape of the building goes.. Idk. It's not a photo from a standard camera for sure though...

As someone who used to develop and print black-and-white film, the Vancouver "UFO" also looks just like a water mark on the film.

Well Hell. I'll take your word for it.

Elon Musk will invent time travel?

What if the term is actually "travel in time" as if time the way it's perceived currently is setting that you can wade in a pool of water versus you being the pool and time the object?

You're the object in the multi-dimensional pool of time. How you swim in it is up to you.

I would not be surprised.

Wouldn't the easy explanation be that is was another rocket launch in 1977?

Supposedly the Vancouver rocket was photographed in 1937.

I believe you mixed the dates with the Russian one in 1977.

They were launching rockets early? Only reason it looks the same was launch conditions. So you could recreate it.

Modern rocket technology was still in its infancy back in 1937. Maybe it's a watermark on the photo. Maybe neither are rockets. Who knows.

same here...there goes my day!

Good luck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iJy-KRFveg does this look familiar to anyone?

The outflow of material you see here is from propellant. The reason it goes from a relatively confined trail to a massive plume is due to the rocket transversing our dense atmosphere to the vacuum of space.

I'd have a hard time believing this isn't explainable as a Chinese rocket launch that forced the airport to close. I'm not even going to attempt to corroborate it since the Chinese government is closed and secretive....

The Chinese government has been doing rocket launches left and right over the past few years. It's just another launch.

It could be that our governments have had this technology for decades and this is just the first time a non government entity has successfully used this technology.

We know they have tons of hidden technology but they can't keep it hidden forever. Eventually someone will figure out the same thing they figured out decades ago and hopefully surpass their technology.

Like that video camera they had in the early 90s that could shoot HD video.

Is this really a thing?! That's news to me and super interesting, where did you hear that?

Not really hidden technology but its true. Heres an HD video of New York from 1993.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4lDU-QLUY

Thanks. Heh.

Why don't we have HD footage of 9/11 attacks?

Just because hd cameras existed doesn't mean they were fixated on every building 24/7 just in case.

That's the same video he responded to...

yeah, he edited that in around the same time I responded.

Hmm, I wanna say it was a video I stumbled across on Youtube. I posted the link in my comment if you wanna take a look.

Link?

https://youtu.be/fT4lDU-QLUY, I think this is what he's referencing.

Yeah that's it. Sorry what jerk mentions something and doesn't provide a link?

Hint: me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-VHS

But this was available publicly and not hidden at all?

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I know, but it shows you how far behind we are on technologies. Think about what they have now that we have no idea. Was it hugely known in the 90s they had HD?

What is more likely, the video uploaded is wrong or the cited sources?

If you read the Wikipedia and resulting sources you can see this system had several disadvantages to HD. Any broadcast for the amaerican market was not compatible with the PAL protocol most of the rest of the world uses. That would be a huge cost using new tech, that would only be available for one market or the other. Something that is hard to justify today.

Touche. You are right and I guess I could think about that. But does the scene from the video match what 1998 looked like? Style wise?

Yes, I lived in NYC during that time until about 2003. That sample shot would be representative of 1998.

Oh yeah just like when they announce a new satellite, it means they have a hand held camera they can go even deeper into the cosmos.

In 1998 I had a neighbor who was an engineer at local space systems making satellites.

We used to have this code of when I would ask questions while he was washing his car. I would ask a question and he would confirm the answer in a certain manner.

He stated that they had satellites then which could read a newspaper that a person would be holding and reading on a park bench.

And that they had many of these satellites such that they could track anyone with them.

Now they have scalar energy weapons, and one that I would be interesting in confirming is the “rods of god” - a satellite that drops a rod of tungsten as a projectile...

what is tungsten?

A really hard metal.

A very dense metal. The idea of the "Rods From God" weapon is you release a giant tungsten rod from a satellite which then reenters the atmosphere. The destruction is caused by the kinetic energy when it hits its target.

A type of metal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten

Super dense and heavy metal. The idea was to blast a target with a tungsten rods from space:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

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a satellite that drops a rod of tungsten as a projectile...

Well that sounds quite useless both in terms of accuracy and effect.

Many steerable ICBM warheads have a CEP of >100m, though some are close to zero.

Even if a 500kg tungsten rod survived the atmosphere completely, retaining it's velocity and mass, the impact would be roughly comparable to 0.006 kilotons of TNT which is nothing. Why not put a 500kg real warhead into orbit instead?

I didnt fucking design it - I am just talking about the fact that they existed.

But why would such exist is what I am thinking and thus doubting your facts.

There is the benefit that it could be mistaken as a meteorite for a moment, but quite soon it'd be obvious it was tungsten and a rough trajectory from where it came - and probably the satellite that released it.

These were made and deployed in the 80s

Before there was internet and a bunch of humans critically thinking about “the space race” and “Star Wars” programs of the Reagan era...

So they may be defunct at this date, and they have probably evolved since.

Imagine a tungsten bolt encapsulated in ceramics - it would likely be able to not liquify and hit a very pointed target.

If they can read a newspaper from space they can take out a target with a bolt.

But now they have scalar weapons - so tungsten rods is likely not a requirement and longer.

A target as in a human being or a large building? Even guided missiles / bombs don't have precision enough to hit a human sized target. Just think how hard that'd be with an unsteerable chunk of metal from space. If it was steerable then you'd get closer, but it would still need to be huge to be effective. I can't imagine how it makes any sense to build such a thing for any reason. Maybe for just for the sake of a overblown contract to get money.

Yup. For the money to sell to a stupid president actor.

It's more about knowledge. No one here knows anything about propulsion technology so they assume this must be a hidden tech conspiracy.

Pick an area and go down the rabbit hole of research and you will find a lot you've never heard about before, and which aren't commercially viable.

Has no one here seen a movie in the theater before the mid 90s?

35mm is the same as 6k definition

With film you get grain and irregularities.

What a real son of a bitch

I hate to be a Debbie downer in the comments below, because your main point is correct there are advanced technologies that are hidden from us.

A good example is the first Nikon digital camera was developed for the us special forces years before Nikon made a consumer model. There used to be a picture floating around of some bad ass fave painted soldier on a beach with a very rudimentary looking digital Nikon.

Wow, no cell phones and no fat people. What a concept.

Well, that could have more to do with where you are, than the year. I lived in Kentucky all my life, and most people considered me pretty fit, and thinner than the average person. I moved to Florida a few years ago, and now I feel like a fat ass, because everyone is so thin and in great shape. I know some of that is plastic surgery, but still.

Miami? Because the rest of Florida is pretty fat.

It looks freaky with no iPhones/headphones. People actually walking around just being in the city. I watched it closely and didn’t see a single fat person. What the hell has happened to us.

Big Food and Big Pharma. And cell phones. But more than anything - the internet.

It could be hormones that originate from the ever-present plastic stuff we're surrounded by. That's actually my favorite theory for the rise of obesity globally.

The invisible but dangerous chemicals also boosted obesity, diabetes, some cancers, male infertility and a painful condition known as endometriosis, the abnormal growth of tissue outside the uterus.

lol the rat tailed fuck checking the girl out at 1:00

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Just to clear things up, this video was showcasing Digital HD recording, which at the time was very limited...Film like 30mm and 120mm has always been leaps and bounds ahead of what we have to offer digitally even today. 120mm on film is the equivalent of 4,600+ megapixels. The limitations are within the output formats, our digital output is still too limited to show us the true quality of film.

Exactly. That's why old films can still look amazing if they've been converted in a proper manner. If they don't look good, it's more due to outside influences like degrading material or improper handling. But film has amazing capabilities.

What about the painting from 1350?

I believe the the 2 symbols represent the sun and the moon level to each other. There are many ancient drawings and paintings with it.

Hmm, interesting.

These are likely depictions of comets.

If you look at other fresco paintings of the crucifiction from the middle ages, its very common for the sun and moon to on each side of Christ. According to the tale, the sky turned dark in the daytime (eclipse), and this was how they depicted it. You can just Google crucifiction fesco painting and find many depictions of the same thing. I feel like people still believing things from ancient aliens that are easily debunked is really discreditable to the community as a whole.

Well, what throws them off is the fact that there are depictions of people inside of these.

I tend to say to be careful, particularly with the older paintings, because it was believed Watchers lived in the sun and the moon, and could be depicting that. But you can't just say 'it's the sun and the moon' when they had full charts of the moon's surface back then, and knew it was a damn circle.

Notice how every answer is different lol

Everyone thinks they know. No one really knows.

My theory is they're using Tesla to slowly bring technology that they've had for years out from the shadows.

What's the point in doing that though? Is there something to fear if the government were to just come out with it themselves?

I suppose if we have been in contact with extraterrestrials for centuries (if the mural from 1350 is believed to portray this same kind of event), governments still probably worry that breaking this news to the masses could destroy the very fabric of society. Thus, slowly releasing this 'alien tech' to the public in slow doses wouldn't be cause for alarm.

Now that's an interesting theory for sure. I wonder what extraterrestrial life would have to gain by working with the governments of a less advanced species

Those beings know love and compassion. But there are also some that are benevolent. There's a war in space. We are the ones in the middle of it. One wants to enslave us. Others want us to learn the truth so we can join them. But because of what they call free will. They can not intervine until the time is right I assume. At least this is what I read and came to understand from the Russian alien space book.

Like heaven vs hell

sort of but just know that nature is a duality. Everything has an opposite. Wet-dry, hot-cold, Premativity-Permeability , good-evil, heaven-hell

i dont consider it like the common knowledge idea of heaven and hell. I dont picture beings with wings and halos

They look like us just alot more advanced perhaps have weird mutations relative to their home planets. But i believe they are humanoid

I'm not religious, I'm way more open to competing alien dominancebthan J God and angels, and Satan and Demons

Well there is one alien dominance in our solar system. Many species from again what i read, seem to have a pretty good agreement with each other and live in peace. Except for a select few which are fearsome enemies with little to no empathy. Sounds kind of like the people that run this world.... zionist? perhaps just puppets to these beings,

I tend to think everything is a trio. Sure there's light and dark but there's also twilight. Black white, grey, hot cold, warm. Just my 2c.

If you consider this. Light is a coaxial circuit. Meaning 2 frequencies resonating together to create what we see as visible light. So A plus B = C so if u want to consider C a aspect of nature I guess that wouldn't be considered incorrect. But yeah lol

How do people come up with this shit? Like ok there's unidentified flying objects but to draw conclusions on where they're from and fucking space politics is pure speculation and comes off as crazy fantasy.

Maybe there is alien life, maybe more than one species has visited us, but there's no evidence whatsoever aside from some footage/pics of flying objects that might be fake for all we know.

Theres evidence to back it up But of course it wont be on the front page news. You just need to look for it. The truth is out there if you are willing to give up on your preconceived notions on whats possible and what is not. Its a strange world. Filled with lies and deceit.

I think first it's important to know that there will always be information out there that you aren't aware of. Secondly, take everything with a grain of salt.

What gets me is a good % of those that are totally open to the idea of Vrill, Greys, Nordics, etc. are among the first to dismiss Christianity, etc. as far-fetched naivety. I really do worry for these people as they usually seem to have been hurt early in life and cannot separate a sinful, hypocrite human from a theology and as such are entirely primed for the great deception coming our way. Sad.

Using your best judgment, go watch videos of Max Spiers on youtube. He was assassinated for speaking deep truth, apparently. Not saying it's all true information, but using your best judgment, try to discern whether or not he knows he knows what he speaks about. He very eloquently, calmly, and honestly (I assume, by studying his body language and the emotions he pairs with what he says) discusses the spiritual war that's being fought around us. Our understanding of reality is not at all accurate, generally speaking, according to Max. Anyway, if you're skeptical but interested in alien talk, he's worth checking out, at least.

What book was this? I’m interested in checking it out.

http://en.calameo.com/read/005024223578240035711

And display similar or derivatives of the alien tech in movies, video games and media to even further acclimatize the public to the idea of such tech. Whether true or not, it's amazing and terrifying once the curtain is pulled aside and the truth slowly dawns on us.

Remember the tablets and touch screens that were in Star Trek 30 some-odd years ago? We have them now.

MFW alien first contact is done via the "Amber Alert" feature on our phones.

That's an idea for a short story

They would have to admit that they were hiding technology that would greatly improve the lives of billions of people.

Simple enough! I guess I would be pretty pissed if I found out they had a tech for years that could've saved me or a loved one.

It would possibly happen that they would acknowledge some technology and it is unclear what the technology is and what benefit it would have had to the public.

I think it’s more likely that it exists, and is highly beneficial to John Q. Public, but is so far advanced as to “show our cards”, so to say, or requires some other technology which could benefit another country in development of weapons, or better yet, development of strategic utilities to counter said technology/weapons.

It’s all about keeping secrets because if you and I have it, then there’s probably 10 Chinese knockoffs, and that means China has their hands on it, and have picked it apart and know how to use it against us if possible (just used China as an example, not saying they’re an “enemy” in any way shape or form).

This is why we get technology that’s existed forever, but doesn’t have an immediate use against our troops in warfare. A good example is GPS. It’s existed for quite a long time but I’m positive something was developed to either secure it when used by the military, or something better has been discovered/implemented, so this now obsolete technology is readily available to the public on a mass scale. Also it can be used against us by our government, so it’s better for the public to have it, knowing full and well that other countries will get their hands on it, then to keep it private.

What’s the technology? We already invented rockets.

Better rockets.

Why? What purpose does suppressing “better rocket” technology serve?

ICBMs. ICBM interceptors. Basically any other missile technology that would give us a significant advantage against the world in a WWIII scenario. We didn’t openly take all those Nazi scientists for no reason. We are basically doing exactly what Hitler did when he first rose to power.

The Nazi’s spent a great deal of time, money, and energy into creating the weapons of tomorrow, in order to get the edge over all enemies. We are basically doing the same thing and had such a huge advantage over basically every other country because we weren’t negatively impacted by the war domestically.

Other countries were shoveling tons of money to us to help them rebuild and we used ex-Nazi scientists and all the advancements they made to build up our “future-technology” programs in order to increase our chances of winning WWIII. Then the USSR tried the same thing and we just dumped more money into our programs.

I can guarantee that the US has technology that the average person wouldn’t believe exists. There’s no telling what really exists and for how long it’s been readily available.

This makes sense.

Literally free energy, one theory is that since our Earth, solar system, galaxy are all constantly moving through the universe that we can 'tap' into this to get energy( like holding a windmill out of a moving car).

Is there any evidence other than you on this subreddit? Like you’re citing some maybe physical phenomenon and connecting to our govt having, but not publicizing advanced rocket technology.

Why do you think it would be free anyway? Solar energy is “free” but we still need technology developed by investment to grab it and make it useful to us. The govt wouldn’t hide something like that, they’d turn it over to corporate America to make a buck at.

See that search bar on the right, type 'free energy' into it.

Hes asking you because you brought it up and would likely know some good places to start digging. Don't a jerk and default to "find it yourself." Anything presented without evidence and be dismissed without evidence.

Oooor don't be a sheep and find things for yourself...

You literally didnt read my comment if that's your response.

I think its more people know how this goes.

Person 1 brings up far out there concept, person 2 asks for source, person 1 supplies source, person 2 calls source worthless for a variety of reasons without even attempting to absorb the message. P1 has now wasted their time and P2 has a reason to feel superior.

If someone is really interested they'll figure it out themselves, most people are just looking to put someone else down. Not saying thats what you're doing but I've been on these types of forums long enough to not bother going to deep in random threads.

At this point its easier to point people towards TheHighersideChat and tell them to put in a topic of interest into the search bar. The host is one of the best out there for the subject matter and covers so much information.

Truth seeking is hard to explain in a few links, stuff like free energy goes into break away civilization and its a deep rabbit hole

Rofl

Not in 1937, at least that kind.

Better transportation, energy creation/storage/collection/use, healthcare and god knows what black projects have gone in in the last century. As a whole we're held back, if you pay attention to some fields where real advancement is made those involved tend to disappear one way or the other. Especially in healthcare.

Secrecy of your top tech is a strategic decision. It's best that other countries, or any group you might view as competition, doesn't have knowledge of your full capabilities.

im almost positive The UN is well aware of the alien presence on and off this planet. Shit, the vatican holds all the knowledge underground. They all are in on the big secret. And rightfully so. ITs alot easier to try to defend ourselves from alien threat rather then tell everyone about it and have people freaking the f out.

I probably would of did the same thing these people are doing. Keep it a secret make excuses why we need 100x trillion dollars for a secret program or military. We need to be prepared.

We need to be informed more than anything. I don't ever see the justification of hiding knowledge from the citizens. Especially when it comes to where my tax dollars are going. Maybe I'm ignorant to how the general population would react but I feel that freaking the fuck out would be a little overkill. I think people are stronger than we give them credit for.

Man people freak out when a brown man blows himself up in the subway, they would definitely freak out if the government told them about an alien threat

Also the economic fallout would be insane. Stocks would drop out of panic

because people need to believe... they need to know we're getting better... that's why liberalism works..

I think they slowly release it as the private sector discovers it. So we don't find out they've had it the whole time

Except electric cars have been around since the early 20th century and was shut down by the oil industry. Tesla isnt doing anything new per se

Never going to be surpassed. Darpa and Boeing / Lockheed have been working several decades ahead of mainstream science for at least 70 or 80 years and it will continue to be that way. When you're already ahead of the curve it's hard to get passed up

Worked for DARPA in the 90s , a lot of the stuff then was so advanced, most ppl would think it alien. That's 27 years ago too, the stuff they have now would probably blow our minds.

There's almost certainly a secret space program. I would be very surprised if tech from the late sixties (space shuttles) is stuck there. They probably have space fighters and transports. Might even already have a base on the moon and mars. Maybe elsewhere.

I think you really underestimate how hard it is to accomplish those feats.

Even by overestimating darpa capabilities, building a base on the moon is a really complex task that would be noticed by other countries.

I would imagine that they would accomplish such feats with technology so advanced that it would be incomprehensible to us and mainstream science. Such projects would probably be using reverse engineered alien or ancient breakaway civilization technology such as anti-gravity propulsion, zero point energy, force fields/gravity fields, or molecular 3D printing, things that are in their infancy when it comes to theoretical science. The logistics of this kind of operation would still be a massive burden even with ridiculously advanced technology. I'm assuming that other "major" countries are let in on the project to offer assistance, and minor countries are simply left in the dark. Keeping all of this a secret would be immensely difficult, but I wouldn't say with certainty that it's outright impossible.

What you're saying make sense and I wouldnt say impossible but I really think we are too busy fighting over petrol to accomplish/hide such crazy things.

"I think we are too busy"
Who's "we" in this? The regular taxpaying proletariat? Bankers and politicians? Maybe we are, sure. But I don't think the particular military, energy and tech interests who are "pioneering" (I put that in quotations because... Well, relatively speaking) in advanced tech like anti-grav and stealth/cloaking are preoccupied with petrol. I think that having the entire rest of the population busy with petrol completely fits their aims and goals. It means they can carry on a lot of work with few distractions.

Few TIE fighters would be dope.

For example?

He's lying. I worked for DARPA in the late 90s, and can neither confirm nor deny the existence of mindblowing secrets.

Your comment sound no more than LARP as well. Would love to hear more reasoning behind your inability to do so

We have had this tech for decades. We went to the moon in 69.

Or just or. They are in on it. And have been receiving aid from aliens since Eisenhower first had his official meeting with them. He then received a warning from another alien speices stating not to trust the ones who they made a deal with because they can not be trusted and only wanted to do harm. But because these beings are loving creatures they respect the wishes of the ones the american humans put in charge aka the president and leave them alone.

It's a interesting time we live in. And the truth will be coming soon.

You mean Rockets?

Pretty sure this is not the first SPACE X LAUNCH

Just wanted to also point out that people have been figuring out Tesla's free-energy technology for decades. And these people are always found dead. That's how these elite operate: discover deeply hidden truths and then discover yourself dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odtwXD8Q3p8

1937 rocket happened right before WW2.

Something big about to happen soon?

Doubtful. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was some kind of rocket test back then.

Good catch

Best post on here in ages

Hey! Cakeday!

Thank you!

Welcome! You are the first redditor I’ve been able to say that too!

Op i just upped almost every comment back up to 1, idk who's keeping everything at 0 but this an interesting thread.

Me too. I do that a lot.

It's annoying having to do it but if not the post may get buried.

It's a small effort that could help lead to something important. If it wakes somebody up, I'll upvote posts all day long.

I don't for nearly every semi decent non political conspiracy post. I may not comment on it but I'll be the silent warrior

Not all heroes wear capes.

I downvote them all to combat you people.

Ok.

Yet my photos of the event that unfolded right in front of my eyes was downvoted to hell. I wont even post my video. I like this thread though. Interesting ideas

I'd love to see. Take the downvotes from the sell outs. A lot of us here support you.

https://imgur.com/sCT1zW2 This one is when i realized it picked my 4th photo instead of the first one but by then everyone has dismissed this event as just a rocket launch.

https://imgur.com/zD91Gf6 This my frantically posting it asap. I dont think i chose that photo but anyways later after class im gonna figure out how to post my video

Space X? Ufo? 22nd dec 2017 https://imgur.com/gallery/bfdn9

^The best photos i got of the event

An explanation by a physicist about what you can see in that image.

Note that the guy talking in that video (Scott Manley) is not a physicist, he's a software engineer at Apple.

He's got a Degree in Astronomy and Physics, as well as a masters in IT and Computational Physics, which is where my claim that he is a physicist comes from.

Yeah you're right.

https://imgur.com/a/oJaAK. Here's mine.

I wouldn't downvote your pics. Would you be willing to share them with me? I'm always interested in ufo stories and definitely ufo pics.

Could some of us see it?

I don’t understand why people are so interested in pics of the event or seemingly shocked to see any. They’ve been spread all over the place to see already.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast

Not a UFO. It's fully identified and confirmed.

The first two, which were reported as UFOs, look the same as the SpaceX launch which is the point here.

If the other two are rocket launches, one was in 1937.

Could be possible that they were testing rockets in 37.

Germans were testing exotic tech in the 30's.

So it’s entirely possible the United States was also testing then. Or Canada/Britain.

The US for sure, but the Germans were ahead...the exotic/advanced tech race was one of the main reasons for WWII.

So this could be a rocket test. Would make a lot of sense to be able to see the space x, vs back in 37. And how much the two look alike. OP is pointing to some biblical reference when in reality it’s more likely it’s military testing. As is much of the ufo things we see.

OP is pointing to some biblical reference when in reality it’s more likely it’s military testing.

They aren't mutually exclusive!

I don't think they look very similar. That's jmo.

To me, the Vancouver image and the SpaceX image in particular have quite a bit of similarity to the point where I wouldnt ve surprised if this is a space caliber rocket in 1937, which is definitely possible seeing as rocket tech really exploded in the 30s in the US and Germany. And that's in the public sector, I can only imagine what they had in the private sector when they were talking about the V2 rocket is on an entirely different level.

Read the description of the one in 1937. That isn't what a rocket does.

wow this is something.

Maybe alien tech they've been reverse engineering and are now perfecting it.

it's deff something for sure. pic from 1937 is too alike.

Advanced tech doesn't necessarily means "aliens"...even the stuff from centuries ago...

I know, it's just a theory. Back in the day I was hard into UFO's till I slowly started thinking it's all military tech.

Haven't seen so much talk about UFO's in a while though, UFO's are being pushed hard.

Plus OP's pic is pre Roswell.

Roswell was almost definitely advanced German tech.

Came across a theory some lady published a book on thinking along those lines but came out of Russia for their version of paperclip. Claimed the craft had Cyrillic writing on it and the occupants were genetic experiments.

You found all this on Facebook so...no.

Ayy thanks for keeping it real lmao. Doesn't mean this isn't good info though

No because literally any rocket will look like this if it launches right after sundown (or before sunup for that matter) because you are seeing the sun hit exhaust expanding more and more as it gets closer to vacuum.

I think all rockets launched probably have this effect on the atmosphere. it's highlighted when the rocket is launched in twilight

Thats the zinger here. Good find man!

Probably not but maybe. If the military has always had the most advanced technology I suppose it's possible they had that stuff back then. I don't really think so though.

This was long before we brought in Nazis for our rocket programs

Who said anything about nazis

A lot of our (united states) research into technology was done with the help of Nazi scientists. I'm guessing that is what he's referencing.

It could be said that Nazis were researching UFO crashes and that they possessed a lot of "hidden" technology

That's what I figured he meant but I was suspicious of his approach.

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Your velocity is totally wrong. It's max speed was about 1 mi/sec. 10mi/sec will almost send you out of the solar system.

The description of what the object did in the 1937 article does not match any of the newer, similar footage. The one in 1937 wasn't a rocket. It was probably some other phenomenon.

Did you look at the picture?

I see similarities

Enough to make this interesting

Excellent post...awesome to see this near the top.

just spezzed myself ;)

Too bad neither picture matches with what Ive seen in the sky. hashtagFALSEFLAG

Well anyone that believes this was a spaceX launch is a fluoridated deceived human being.

So then can you explain to me why the "UFO" lifted off from Vandenberg AFB at the exact second that a SpaceX rocket was scheduled to do so, then performed all of the actions that a SpaceX rocket does at the exact times that it was supposed too? I mean...

Isn't it possible that in 1350 someone attempted to launch a projectile? Isn't there a story about a Chinese town that blew up around that time? They were mastering explosives.

Or that painting was something that resembled a meteor.

With people in it... Perfectly natural

Not everything painted has to be based on reality in any way. Writers make up weird shit all the time.

If you want a logical explanation, though, this artist could have watched a meteor fly over and thought it was a sign of god or the coming of Christ, then decided to paint this.

The Sun and the Moon are the characters in the painting, it's symbolism of night being chased away by day.

Interesting.

I get your point, I'm just going to point out the silliness of the way you've said this:

reported as a ‘SpaceX launch’

Not only was it reported as such, its provable through and through. Do you actually doubt this?

Yeah, definitely reads that way.

I enjoy the post though! Thanks. Never heard of that Vancouver one

Great post, this is really weird.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/ancientufo.org/2016/04/ufos-visoki-decani-crucifixion-fresco/amp/

The Sun and Moon were often drawn in such manners back in the day, this is nothing new and doesn't support anything.

Cool idea but the descriptions of the events in the linked articles don't match the SpaceX launch.

The Vancouver image was definitely very similar. The Russian stuff was more spotty. I don't see any similarity between the SpaceX stuff and the photo, but the drawings have some similarity.

I love seeing some of the oddities found in old and ancient art work.

Down votes for analyzing the source material? Calm down =P

You can watch video coverage of the SpaceX launch from takeoff all the way to the atmospheric "anomaly" @17:42, and this was all live on YouTube, so I'm not sure why the OP puts SpaceX launch in scare quotes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q

name checks out yep

The description of the one in 1937 makes 0 sense compared to the newer ones. The newer ones are very easily explained by rockets, and they clearly do appear to just be rockets. The one in 1937 has a description that doesn't match the others:

THE TWO WERE SUDDENLY ASTOUNDED TO SEE A “BRIGHT BRIGHT BLUE LIGHT” DROP STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THE SKY. IT BECAME LARGER AS IT DID AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO OBSERVE THE SOURCE OF THE LIGHT AS AN OBJECT THAT LEONARD DESCRIBED AS “TWO SAUCERS” OPEN ENDS FACING EACH OTHER, GLOWING BRIGHT BLUE. THE OBJECT THEN MOVED “DEAD STRAIGHT” HORIZONTALLY ACROSS THE SKY. WHEN IT JUST APPEARED TO CLEAR THE FLAGPOLE ON THE ROOF OF THE CITY HALL IT CAME TO AN ALMOST DEAD STOP AND LEONARD CLICKED THE SHUTTER ON THE CAMERA. THE OBJECT THEN SHOT STRAIGHT BACK UP INTO THE SKY.

Rockets don't do that.
Also, there were no rockets in 1350. The painting could be of anything, really. It could be entirely made up.

Good observation, I was digging into it at the same time, please look for my comment in this thread or find my new post on this in this sub.

I suspect ai is now capable of generating a cgi rocket launch to cover up these events. I've seen a video of ai rendering a winter video into a summer setting by removing the snow and adding green grass and foliage. Does ai already have access to or control over the particle colliders throughout the world?

https://youtu.be/_dFz9bEBoC0

Wonderful post. We need more posts like thus on the sub.

The rocket's trail does look extremely unusual to m, noticeably dissimilar to the regular plume of smoke you'd expect from a rocket launch. Atmospheric conditions perhaps? The specific type of rocket they used? I'd love some more info on why it looked like that. The strange concentrations of light / smoke look odd, and the similarities between what was seen on the SpaceX launch and links in this thread are interesting. Just need more info - doesn't look like a "regular" rocket launch to me...

It's just a normal launch that happened to occur right after sunset so the exhaust was lit up by the sun against a black background. The reason the plume high up looks like that is because at the low pressure nearing space the exhaust leaves the nozzle at higher pressure than the surrounding air and thus can expand out sideways (and there is little air left to slow it down once it does so). Literally any rocket launch will do that you just can't see it from the ground like this except when the sun is just below the horizon.

It looks different because your getting to see the plume extremely high in the atmosphere, whereas normally the plume is only visible in the lower atmosphere. This rocket was launched at twilight, when the sun was just under the horizon. When the rocket got high enough to reach sunlight, the atmosphere was thin enough that the exhaust expanded by a huge amount. This happens nearly every time a rocket is launched just before or after sunrise/sunset.

regular plume of smoke you'd expect from a rocket launch.

The Falcon 9 is a two stage rocket. You can see the tail end of the plume you're concerned about in many of the pictures. The odd sperm like shape above the plume is the fire ball from the second stage. Saturn V (the moon rocket), had a similar look after the second stage separated.

1937,1977, and 2017. Why every 40 years?

40 years has something to do with the harmonic overtones of our dimension. Same reason the first version of the Philadelphia experiment was done in 1913, second was done in 53. Good find. Just read the "Ancient Secrets of the Flower of Life" volume two and the author discusses how the harmonics of our time and dimension are linked. Something about 40 years is important.

40 years has something to do with the harmonic overtones of our dimension.

Please elaborate.

I like how only our current US calendar and time measuring works with this Gwyneth Paltrow level schizophrenia.

Lol no. Say we had a different calendar that was 542 days. The harmonic overtone would be the same, just less than 40 years because the years are longer.

You're saying basically that distance is only distance because we invented inches.

No, you can measure with whatever units you want. This guy measured in years of 365 days and got 40.

As much as believe all this and am into it, I'm stealing "Gwyneth Paltrow level schizophrenia".

Me too. when a gem like this is presented and makes me spew my coffee it’s a keeper!

Yes! The main reasoin i read reddit.

The unit here is earth orbits, which the calendar is also based on. I'm not much of a believer in this new-agey stuff, but those that are think earth is special, so it's understandable.

Doesn't matter what you tie it to. As long as there's an equal timespan setting more than two events apart.. Then you could always pinpoint some sort of rhythm.

Actually Pythagoras was the guy who started the study of overtones and he was highly intelligent and more or less invented music.

Maybe you should research before you critique.

Here's my, admittedly shitty, explanation of it. Im no mathematician but i play music and i know, roughly, what overtones are.

http://reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7m7pwe/this_was_too_compelling_for_me_not_to_share_about/dtrj3gr

If be lying if I told you that I knew the subject well enough to elaborate a lot on this. The book I mentioned is out on te webs for free in pdf format. Here's a small excerpt discussing the experiments carried out by the US Gov. The 40 year number jumped out at me so I posted the above. I recommend diving into that book though. I haven't quite put together all the info in my head so other than dropping some bread crumbs I can't offer much. It has to do with sacred geometry and harmonics, also energy and the frequency with which our dimension vibrates. It's out there but there is evidence to make it seem possible to me.

"It was performed in 1913, but it didn't work. In fact, I believe it made things worse and probably was the source of the First World War in 1914. Exactly forty years later (this time period is critical), the U.S. military performed the Philadelphia Experiment in 1943 during the Second World War. Again, in 1983 (40 years later) the Montauk experiment was performed, trying to solve the problems caused bythePhiladelphiaExperiment. Asmallexperimentwasfinallycompleted in 1993 (a harmonic of the 40 cycle) to speed up the male component of the original problem caused by the Atlanteans."

It's entirely possible that it's just serendipitous but something feels like there's more to this, can't put my finger on it yet but I'm literally half way through the book now(just finished volume one) as haven't reconciled all the info yet. I can shoot you the links to those books if you're interested. The editor seems like he was drunk when they were edited but the core information is fascinating. Just hop on duckduckgo and type in "Ancient Secrets of the Flower of Life pdf volume one, (or two)" and you should be able to download. Enjoy!!

One problem with that theory: 1943 -1913

30

Wow I'm dense. Thanks for not being a dick about it. Thanks for catching that. Can't believe I missed it.

1913 is thirty years before 1943.

If the "exact" time period is critical, how would being ten whole years off affect it?

I don't think anyone actually answered this for you.

Ill use the 12 note musical system as an example. Here is a handy chart https://pages.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

Now we can take the lowest C on a piano and its 16.35 hz. A D is 18.35 hz. An E is 20.6 hz.

Well obviously there are sounds that are between those. What about 16.9 hz? Or 17.4 hz? Its not quite a D but its higher than a C.

So long ago Pythagoras (the a²+b²=c² guy) started experimenting with this concept.

He took a string and plucked it and it made a certain sound. He then cut the string exactly in half and realized it KIND OF (but not exactly) made the same sound. This is called an octave (well get to why 8 later).

So then he started wondering about other fractions. What if you cut the string in 1/4s? Or 2/5? Etc.

So yes there is an infinite amount if different sounds obviously, even a very specific sound like 16.85326 hz could be 16.85327 and while you're human ears wouldn't really notice the difference, there is a difference.

Well then what defines how these sounds are REALLY different? We know that if we take a sound and shorten its length by half we get and octave (the same "note" but a higher pitch). And it works backwards of course, if you double the length, the sound is the same note but lower pitch.

Well he figured out after his experiments that there were 7 different "overtones" and 5 "undertones". So if you play a note followed by its 7 overtones you would end up on the same note you started on, the 8th note is the same as the 1st, hence octave.

Meaning, that there are 7 distinctly different notes that "go together" (this part is hard to explain, but you know when you hear an out of tune note). And 5 that dont fit with the other 7.

Now which 7 of the 12 total are the overtones and which are the undertones all depends on which one you start with. Meaning its not a hard "this is this" type of thing but rather a pattern thing. So if you start with this, then its this (hope that makes sense).

Another example is cymatics. I wont bother explaining it. Just youtube "cymatic display" and watch one of the science videos not the nonsense artsy stuff they do with it nowadays (unless you're into that).

Basically, certain frequencies make certain "shapes" in cymatics. Like we said earlier, there can always be a SLIGHTLY higher or lower note, but at what point have you crossed the barrier into, "ok this is a different sound than the previous one"?

Overtones and undertones is all about answering that question.

Hope this helps.

Tldr: when dealing with chaotic things like sound or light or vibration, the many VERY subtlety different vibrations or sounds or lights sort of "coalesce" into 1 discernable pattern and this is called and overtone.

I'm familiar with overtones, my question was more about what the hell 'harmonic overtones of our dimension' are supposed to be. That sounds like pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo to me. Thanks for answering, though.

Oh well i think the idea is that, if sounds coalesce into overtones then why wouldn't the universe. Its just a matter of scale. From far away, you and a train and a mountain are all just Earth. Kinda like how a bunch of VERY similar sounds are just E.

Like i said there IS a difference between 16.865238 hz and 16.8652385 hz. But you might just call them both 19 hz.

You might just call certain time frames "the aquarian age" and it might sound like new age mumbo jumbo (and from a certain perspective it is just mumbo jumbo)... But if you are trying to measure time frames in the thousands or millions of years, seconds are a bit tedious.

So you come up with a larger scale schema to work with and if you want to get more detailed you come up with a smaller scale schema that nests inside the larger one and this repeats infinitely.

So i could take 20-21hz and reproduce the whole musical system using 1/100ths of a hz as my new "note" so now 20.1635 is C and 20.1835 is D.

I dont think its that far fetched, considering how HUGE the universe is, to assume that various repeating patterns (overtones) exist and that they have a major effect on shaping our galaxy, world, climate, skin, language... Or anything, no matter how big or small.

I go way out of my way everyday to try to prove as much new age nonsense as i can as false. Im a big skeptic with all the new age shit. So i feel where you are coming from.

But the concept of harmonics being an integral part of the universe is pretty solid. Same reason a rainbow has 7 colors. If you had specialized eyes you could divide each "color" into many colors (light green, medium green, dark green)... But you naturally see them in a certain schema.

This concept is repeated over and over when dealing with the organization of chatic things. So its very reasonable to assume that harmonics form the underlying framework of how all chaos is organized.

If i said every 12th note on a piano will sound similar to the 1st , i would be correct. Assuming the original 40 years thing was accurate (i have no idea if it is, i didn't look into it) then it wouldn't be farfetched to say, human society repeats common actions every 40 years.

Or it gets cold every 365 days. Or the sun goes down every 24 hours. These are all overtone patterns.

Philadelphia experiment was in 1943, not 53.

Woah wasn't the Philadelphia Experiment Nikola Tesla's doing? Made a whole ship vanish?

Roswell was in 1947 too

Hold it. What if it's every 10 years?

Did anything happen in 1967, 1987 and 2007?

Im pretty sure we could find something for every year and make any connection wed like.

Exactly, I don't really think there's anything to it. There's nothing that really connects these events other than having something to do with UFO's. And the SpaceX thing is just a rocket.

You are the most sensible man here. Finally some common sense.

Since when is making up excuses to be willfully ignorant called "common sense"?

Providing the most probable answer is "common sense".

Lol that is not being willfully ignorant, take off your tinfoil hat man. Like he said, you can make connections with anything to whatever conspiracy you have if you try hard enough. Even if they dont make sense or are likely complete coincidences, which is what he means.

"Connections with anything.." Yeah if you scroll up and look at the post (people actually post posts with content in it on this website FYI) you'll see "anything" with no connections to eachother whatsoever /s.. Maybe you should go buy a detective hat and apply for a job at the detective bureau mister smartsy pants

It's that can-do attitude you have which will take you far!

2007 is when the Pentagon launched their UFO program. Can't find anything about what specific incident may have sparked it though.

I'm sure it had been going on under wraps long before that.

And 1997.... Uhhhhhhh Phoenix lights

Then we only have to make it a few days until we don't have to worry about it for another ten years.

Fuck, I was born in 1987...

1937,1977, and 2017

Well, you peaked my interest enough to dig

What have you started bro? 1857 Neston, England UFO sighting

On September 25th, 1817, a "reddish disk" was seen in Massachusetts and France.

http://www.thinkaboutitdocs.com/1890-1899-ufo-alien-sightings/

Pick any year =)

Piqued

Also this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora,_Texas,_UFO_incident

1987

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okay so let's say we are being visited every 10 years exactly. but because time is relative, couldn't 10 years be 1 day to a UFO wherever they are from? that would explain the pattern in arrival dates. I think it's safe to say if there are ET's that visit us, they've likely accomplished some sort of interstellar hi-speed travel like wormholes or something, so is that not within the realm of possibilities?

Absolutely. From the research I've done into sacred geometry and dimensions I think it has more to do with the for lack of a better term, accessibility of this dimension on those harmonics. Maybe the veil between dimensions is thinner every X number of years. Just spitballing. Damn I missed this type of r/conspiracy post!!

you've given me some things to research on my day off tomorrow, thank you friend!

Probably because it happens frequently, and OP just picked dates 40 yrs appart. Anybody who has lived by military bases can confirm this.

1957 Sputnik

i saw the phoenix lights in february this year

There are plenty of other example of this happening during rocket launches. There isn't a pattern. Search "MUOS-4 launch" if you don't believe me.

Likely unrelated because the years (and range) does not match, but the Philadelphia Experiment had the 40 year jump from 1943 to 1983.

There are film of the SpaceX launch from start to when the sun hits the condense, which is what that is. The sun hasnt settled behind the horizon, so even thought it seems dark to everyone, when the rocket hits a certain altitude, the sun makes a cool show like that

You're assuming that the Earth isn't flat with that statement....

/s?

It's not sarcasm it's just funny.

Sarcasm just doesn't work on the internet

How the fuck is this the top comment with less than 1/5 of the up votes of the comment below.

Because it’s arranged on best comment, not top comment

Best sorts by highest upvote percentage.

Top sorts by highest net upvotes.

r/todayilearned

In other words, nothing to see here folks.

Well, no. Nothing conspiracy. There are launches like this going back to 2001, maby earlier. The tech is old

What do you mean 2001 ? We were on the moon by the 70s.

Im talking about the rocket used here, creating the special waterpattern, octagonal engines,

Could you elaborate ? What special water pattern ?

The one thats been all over the last week, after the SpaceX launch over Cali.

If you go to SpaceX you can read about the the octagonal engines, used here. The same tech thats been around for about 20 years, and gave causes UFO mayhem for just as long.

I do believe that we got aliens, and whatnot, but this is not it

Oh yeah to me it just seems like a snoic cone in a particular weather. And the engine disposition is just a tech advancement ?

I agree with you that it seems normal.

Yes it is, you can actually lose power in one of the engines and it should still be operational. Pretty dope considering what its used for. That and its a multi launch system (or something like that) so that adds to the confusion of it seeming UFOish, when it suddenly midair releases satellites

Virtually all multi-engine rockets try to arrange their outermost engines in the closest approximation of a circle as you can get with the number of engines (4 outboard engines = square, 6 outboard engine = hexagon, etc.). This is because a circle is inherently the most balanced shape - each outboard engine is responsible for an equivalent load. This concept has been around since the 1960s.

In fact, SpaceX first tried a non-circular outboard engine pattern on early Falcon 9 rockets where there were 4 outboards where they are today and 4 “corner” engines (basically a 3x3 square when you count the center engine). They changed to the octagonal shape for the better balance during an engine-out event, improved aerodynamics and simpler construction.

Russia’s UR-500 (Proton) series rockets have its six engines arranged in an almost identical pattern on the first stage (though I guess it would be a hexagon). Proton has been flying since 1965.

Everyday events in 1937, I hear.

Except the fact that someone apparently launched a rocket in 1937.

I thibk the point is that we were launching similar rockets when we officially weren't able to yet.

Here it is! I'm surprised I had to scroll a bit to see this explanation.

Why does it have to be a rocket?

Is this sarcasm? I hope so.

Not really, the whole point of the post was to connect it to UFOs, as I understood the point of including the medieval painting. So compared to that, this is relatively minor. Nothing earth shattering.

The 2017 launch isn't the one in question. It's pretty obvious for anyone that it was SpaceX. What's up with the other pictures?

The likeliest explanation for the one in 1937 is that the film got damaged in that way.

The Russian one just looks ofd.

One of my good friends is a SpaceX engineer and helped build the rocket and has told me about it repeatedly and sent snaps of the launch - definitely SpaceX

a friend

People don’t have friends. It’s actually his CIA handler feeding him his info.

That one is definitely a rocket, it gives some insight into what the older ones could be though.

1977 could well be a rocket.

The older one a meteorite or just a faked picture.

how is there a light in front of the rocket lighting it up?

I've seen videos of rockets doing the same thing in the past.

https://youtu.be/oEww1_Y5F7c https://youtu.be/2fvc3yWBrLU

I personally believe we've been visited by E.Ts, but I don't think this is them. Do I think Space X has some secret tech on that load? Probably. But it is clearly a multi-stage rocket launch.

With the UFO footage coming out lately of crafts maneuvering with seemingly zero propulsion, and the Pentagon acknowledging a UFO program, I don't think aliens would make their entries and exists to Earth that obvious lol.

Did people even read the post ffs. OP isn't saying it's aliens.

I cant believe people fucking believe this is a UFO when there are start to finish videos.

I want to leave this planet.

Well, only a moron would even consider such bullshit. Oh.... Um, anyway, the rest of us would like to know what the shit was back in 1937.

Robert Goddard (the guy that Goddard Space Flight Center is named after) was launching multi-stage rockets as early as 1914. By the mid 1930s, his rockets were self-guiding and were reaching altitudes of almost a mile. Start there.

Thank you. That is interesting.

This is basically the answer to this thread, of course it's buried.

I love how you guys are completely missing the point that the first picture is from the 1930's.

I love how there's one picture of something that looks vaguely similar to a phenomenon that isn't rare at all and you claim ALIENSSSSSS

I didn't claim it was aliens. I just pointed out that you are misinterpreting the post

Maybe if you worked on your reading comprehension you wouldn't get so frustrated. Literally no one is saying this is aliens.

Multi stage rockets have been around since the 1910s

Come take some mescaline with me and we can leave this planet

You could leave this planet... or you could actually try and understand the OP. They aren’t questioning whether Space X did the most recent launch.

Thank you. I've seen some shit, but this is not a ufo. It's absolutely explained.

OP isn't saying it's alien. He's merely pointing out that it's possible this technology has existed for a lot longer than we have been told.

yea and not to mention, spacex has the entire livestream up on their youtube page. This isn't some conspiracy, they actually launched a rocket

I don't think he was saying it wasn't real, he saying the sighting in 1937 looks almost exactly like it.

40 years later in 2017 LA it was photographed and reported as a ‘SpaceX launch’

hes saying that its the same phenomena, and that they are calling it a SpaceX launch as a cover up, which clearly implies the SpaceX launch never happened

I also find it funny how OP won't respond to any logical responses within his thread, only those supporting his initial conspiracy. So much for being unbiased and wanting the truth...

This post vindicated me. I had -200 downvotes on asking for a source on the LA SpaceX and met with a super unhelpful and asshole reply of "just Google it" when this sub has been weary of Google for quite some time. I knew it wasn't just some random event. Plus, why would a Space station launch what looks like an alien ship over a highly populated area with no heads-up?

I knew it wasn't just some random event.

You're right, it was scheduled rocket launch.

Plus, why would a Space station launch what looks like an alien ship over a highly populated area with no heads-up?

The launch had been scheduled for nine months, and all launches are filed publicly with the FAA. It was launched from CA instead of Florida for a variety of reasons, the primary being its polar orbit.

The launch deployed ten Iridium Next satellites.

The launch had been scheduled for nine months, and all launches are filed publicly with the FAA

yet it still took people by surprise. MORE people by surprise than not. This was not a publicized event even if it was "publicly filed"

Damn. They all look very similar. Good find, OP.

Regarding the Vancouver photo, there's something fishy. First, no negative exists which makes it impossible to verify. Also as far as I know there is no access to the original print to check if the UFO is merely water damage or some other artifact. I've seen similar looking artifacts on old prints from light water damage. Most interestingly, several articles state that Leonard died in 1992, and his brother in 1955. But I found both of their obituaries. Leonard (who took the photo) passed away in 2006. He was 89. Which would make him 21 (as the article states) when the first was taken in 1937. His brother, who was there when the photo was taken, passed away in 2007. Debra (the daughter who is credited with first telling the story, and providing the image) died in 2012 from Cancer. Why the misinformation about the men's deaths?

The earliest reference to the story and image I can find is dated to Feb 1, 2001 here. Another article dated May 2, 2002 is here. Both dated to before the deaths of Leonard and Wilfred.

While it definitely resembles what we've seen with the SpaceX launches, it is fully possible that this is just an old Vancouverite Urban Legend. Such a sighting, with photographic evidence, would have made a huge stir in the papers. Especially with the beginning of WW2 overseas with Japan, China and the Soviet Union. Rumors of Jet Engines, The Hindenburg Disaster. New record flights around the globe. But there's nothing other than these handfuls of brief articles online. And nobody other than Debra recounted this story for 60+ years. Even though both men who were actually there lived into the mid 2000s. Also, no other witnesses? Large, bright trail in the night sky over a relatively high population City, but there are no other reports.

Great work, I was digging into it at the same time as you, please look for my comment in this thread or checkout my new post in this sub regarding my observations.

Why is this comment not higher up

People no like truth.

When I opened/zoomed in on the photo the spot looks like the result of the print being made using a damaged/altered negative. To me it looks as though someone has used a dodging or smudging tool to lift out the color.

Someone shared the idea that the older photos could've been planted fakes, cycled into the internet years ago for just this purpose. Like something experimental "the man" would need to make mysterious and confusing if released in the future. But, who knows. Question everything, right?

The only really compelling photo is the Vancouver one, and just looking at the photo, it looks fake. It looks like it's from an old movie or something. Doesn't mean it is, but it certainly looks too fake to be too compelling.

The Russia photo it too poor to be compelling. It could have been a meteorite or something.

The SpaceX launch was a well documented event. Hardly a UFO.

The crucifixion picture isn't compelling much at all to be honest. Shooting stars were and are a thing. A star in the birth story is a major point.

I give you Scott Manley explaining the spacex launch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ6nn8fZOmc&t

We had rockets in 1937. That’s probably what it is.

The crucifix ufos are weird and unrelated imo. They’d have a trail if they were the same thing.

Very very interesting...

Time Travelers 👨🏻‍🚀

I saw this same thing in the sky Novemberish 2015 off the coast of southern Cali, but it was going the opposite direction i believe. Was told it was a test missle.

I live near Joint Base Lewis Mcchord in Washington State. I had seen 2 of these this past summer. I was freaking out and couldn't find any explanation. It wasn't on the news or social media. I didn't happen to take any picture as it seemed like it much further away. The first one traveled vertically towards earth. Then it happened a month or so later, this one was traveling horizontally. My girlfriend claims it was the air force.

I'll be the buzz-kill devil's advocate here. Feel free to throw spears but please show your work (have more than a 5th-grade counter to my argument, please).

The Norwegian spiral launch was in 2009, but the first of only a few sighted phenomena that had since took this specific shape seemed to occur next in June of 2010 from a Kyrgyzstan launch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yo8f7fQFO8

With that said, please look for a preponderance of pre-2009 articles talking about examples 1 or 2 in Op's post.

I'll help. There wasn't much of any. For the Vancouver UFO, at least, all post 2009 links come back to one 2009 source, a British Columbia UFO website.

http://web.archive.org/web/20091121083118/http://www.ufobc.ca/History/Early/cityhall_v2.htm

At best, most other links are to crap SEO'd sites and had cut and pasted the same narrative, crediting the above source. Here's the heart-breaking piece: the only pre-2009 version of the cut-and-paste narrative that I could find was the following link from 2005. The problem is that the narrative goes with a totally different picture.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050403234534/http://www.burlingtonnews.net/ufofiles.html

So, with this last point especially, one could take any old narrative, and then rehash it with a newer 'old' photo. This narrative was convenient because it mentions a "bright blue light (dropping) straight down from the sky". Never mind that the Spacex launch sighting didn't do that.

So, with that said, for all of you Project Bluebeam lovers out there, I've got some more ammo for you. Here's a scenario:

Step 1: Create the physical tech - rocket-launched aerial phenomena and concurrently plant an 'old' photograph that corroborates your phenomena. Hypothetically, according to what I've posited here, this could be done with low effort.

Step 2: Create a disclosure buzz.

Step 3: Profit.

Here's one last thought experiment: If 'they' could have been a little more careful about not having their R&D launches observed, and if they could have successfully removed all of the evidence of the launch contrail, how much easier would it have been to sell this phenomena to you right out of the gate (if OP's post gave you a curious sense of hope)?

It, of course, then begs the question, why were they so sloppy with revealing their hands before they were ready to present the big shoe, if this were all the case. I couldn't presume to know, but it's hard to account for failures in R&D planning, execution, and desperation stemming from a potentially accelerated timeline, caused by concurrent geo-political events.

Regardless, I ask you to apply some rigor to your enthusiasm about this, and to what I'm positing here. And...go.

You’re such a sesquipedalian. 😏

/s I had to google that word, but I felt this whole comment was r/iamverysmart material

Thanks, I'll be sure to take that into account. You must be pretty smart to see such fraud. I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty impressed.

https://i.imgur.com/T1a79Uk.jpg

Made me laugh. :)

Thank you :) it was just a joke lol

Damn goobags took yer jerbs?!

thats what happens when rocks going fast go through upper atmosphere.

40 years prior to the Vancouver sighting there was a pretty well documented sighting/crash in Texas as well, if i remember correctly. This one didn't happen on Christmas though. There had also been multiple sightings earlier that year of cigar shaped craft, as the article below states.

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looks like rocket launching is older in history than we thought it is

Damn! Kudos to /u/ToiletPaperPringles. Not saying I'm buying the UFO thing, but damn this is interesting. Good shit.

Holy cow.

So what does it mean?

Seems realistic for the other sightings to be ICBM tests. UFOs don't have visible propulsion.

rockets existed in 1937...

idk why i'm getting downvoted. it's literally true

Excellent post. The real winner here is how many people completely missed the point of OPs post.

Real bread winning, critical thinkers lurking around here.

Here is another one I saw a few years ago on YouTube made in China. Does SpaceX operate in China? Could be their own rocket/satellite I guess.

It has nothing to do with it being a SpaceX rocket and everything to do with it being launched right after sunset so the plume normally invisible against bright sky (or invisible since no light is hitting it). You could figure that out by them having launched the same one or nearly so a few dozen times before and thinking for half a second about it occurring right after sunset.

This , I think is the single reason for similarities. We can discuss the source of plumes, but the shape is obvious.

Dont forget nov 7 2015! I was in So. Cal at the time it was awesome.

https://youtu.be/cc0_wZat4nI

Direct links to the photos you're talking about would have been nice.

Anyone else find it highly suspicious that the launch was from east to west? Basically all satellites are launched from west to east because then, the rotational velocity of the earth gets you closer to the orbital velocity your satellite needs

"satellites".....the "rotational velocity of the earth"? lol....."the orbital velocity your satellite needs" lmaooooo

He's not wrong, just didn't use the technical terms.

Except when launching satellites into polar orbits, hence it launching south.

that the launch was from east to west

It was launched south. Iridium satellites are in an almost polar orbit.

The truth is clear for anyone to see: Elon Musk is Christ reborn, and the holy visitors commonly known as "Greys" are here to annoint him.

a ufo post...yay..

Correct.

Ho-ly shit.

I'm all for conspiracies... But when it was 5pm, it was still light out, enough light to think it was still day time if you woke up right then.

Furthermore, spaceflightnow.com had a full livestreamed video of the rocket before, during and after launch.

Also, I was there near Vandenberg airforce base and personally saw the beast go up... So I can't say it was ufo or anything.

De22 2013 was also that insane ice storm that shut down most of toronto and durham regions and pretty much the rest of ontario

I bet Elon saw that old Vancouver photo and schemed for months to figure out how to recreate the effects using his rocket, and then he succeeded because he's clearly superhuman.

There was this one in China in 2010. Not sure if it should be added to the list in the OP.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6MKpxzGfJd8

There are also pictures of the Norway spiral that are similar.

And, I think there was also a very similar phenomenon over Mexico circa 2009-10.

I've seen a few videos like these years ago and when I saw the LA video it reminded me of these videos. Most claim to be "missile tests". Just a couple of similar ones: https://youtu.be/oEww1_Y5F7c https://youtu.be/2fvc3yWBrLU And then there was the spiral in the sky in Norway https://youtu.be/zsiSirIq4SA

according to a human/pleiadian coalition known as the Galactic Federation of Light, theres currently a war going on between draconian beings from the fifth dimension and lyrans from an even higher dimension.... join the private facebook group of the same name; even if you think its all a load of horse shit, the people posting in the group have some CRAZY ideas.

https://youtu.be/9iJy-KRFveg

HOLY SHIT! Maybe this is how we are getting introduced to them?

Wasn't there also one in China a few years back?

Rocket technology has existed for far longer than we think it has.

As for the crucifixion scene, I honestly don't think they look similar. If an aertist can render realistic faces and bodies, which is difficult enough as it is, they'd be able to render an accurate depiction of something else that was real.

On a side note, weird that this piece of art is depicting what appear to be space ships or air ships of some kind.

It's actually the Sun chasing the Moon across the sky, symbolism of night being chased away by the light day.

That makes far more sense.

That Vancouver photo looks exactly like the aftermath of a rocket launch. That's insane! Atlas rockets leave the same trail.

So confirmed Elon Musk is a time traveller!

well.. there goes my night. time to smoke a bowl and dive deep into this rabbit hole!

I’m typically pretty open to thought about these theories but this one is just plain wrong. The entire event was live-streamed from onboard cameras and directly matches what you can very clearly see in the sky, for example, the stage separation, boostback burn, max-q, fairing separation, etc.

If this thing wouldn’t have had sunlight on it and wasn’t glowing none of you would have raised an eyebrow.

I don't think most people are suggesting that the launch was fake, just that numerous events through history looked similar. It suggests that maybe humans or visitors have been launching rockets for hundreds of years.

ufo reports coincide with rocket and flying vehicle testing. what a shocker...

I love how there was a post demanding users hete accept the mainstream and government narrative that it was just SpaceX. You are a fool if you accept anything they for granted and do not at least question their narrative and motive. So many fucking fools.

Thanks for sharing.

What's with all the 7s?

look at the years you posted.

1937
1977
2017
1857 1897

I was just screwing around

this would have been during the height of ICBM testing would it not have been? i mean now the public knows that was spaceX i don't think its impossible that these were ICBM tests that were pitched as "UFO's" to hide the testing from the public.

Project: Blue Beam

Clearly they are flying so fast through time that they are breaking through time and appearing in different times before disappearing.

This is a significant set of coincidences, to be sure. My imagination beckons at all the possibilities... raw video from the LA “rocket” from many different sources show fluctuations in the rocket’s movement or fuel stream that is erratic and abnormal. My guess: a tribute of some sort

The crucifixion mural is the moon and the sun, common themes in religious and mythological paintings.

One of the best posts this year.

keep in mind that top secret U.S. and russian rocket programs had been around for about a decade before 1937. To me, the spacex launch just gives more credence to the 1937 photo being a rocket experiment. This would have been less than two decades after the first world war and on the cusp of a second. I'm sure officials would rather say it's anything than announce to the public their rocket capabilities.

You have a source for this? I'm pretty sure the V2 bumper project was the first man made object in space, and that was in 49.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program check out pre war efforts

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Go To Youtube and watch ancient aliens debunked. They explain the logic behind the mural piece that you think arw space ships. The are angels projecting their holy light. Not spaceships.

No

Ok. Don't?

Ok

The response only tells me that people dont want real explenation from actual scholars. You know, people that have spent their lives devoted to the study of subjects.

So is Musk an Alien? I'm not suggesting that is outside the realm of possibility BTW.

Its also similar to the los angeles attack in the 40s

Seems like a Norway Spiral phenomenon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J6S3VbBHvlA

Anybody happen to know about UFOs in 1817?

I found a website with a listing of paranormal events in the early 19th century. Here's a copy/paste of 1817 for those interested.

Location. Adams, Robertson County, Tennessee

Date: 1817

Time: daytime

In the early 1800’s John Bell moved his family from North Carolina to the Red River bottomland in Robertson County, Tennessee, setting in a community that later became known as Adams. Bell purchased some land and a large log home for his family. The Bells quickly made many friends and gained prominence in the community. John Bell acquired additional land and cleared a number of fields over the next several years. One day in 1817, John Bell was inspecting his cornfield when he encountered a strange-looking animal sitting in the middle of a cornrow.

Shocked by the appearance of this animal, which had the body of a dog and the head of a rabbit, Bell shot at it several times without any apparent effect. The animal then vanished. Bell thought nothing more about the incident—at least not until after dinner. That evening, the Bells began hearing “beating” sounds on the outside of their house. These mysterious sounds continued with increased force each night. Bell and his sons often hurried outside to catch the culprit but always returned empty handed. The noises were soon followed by more problems. The Bell children began waking up frightened and complaining of sounds much like rats gnawing at their bedposts. It wasn’t long until the children began complaining of more terrifying things—having their bed covers pulled and their pillows were tossed onto the floor by a seemingly invisible force.

Source: The Bell Witch Legend of Tennessee

Location. Atlantic Ocean

Date: May 1817

Time: 1400

Summary: Witnesses onboard the ship “Leonidas” sailing from New York to Havre France reported seeing around two in the afternoon at a distance of about half the ship’s length, they saw a strange fish. Its lower parts were like a fish; its belly was all white; the top of the back brown, and there was the appearance of short hair as far as the top of the head. From the breast upwards it had a near resemblance to a human being and looked upon the observers very earnestly. It apparently remained in sight all afternoon.

Source: Jerome Clark, Unexplained!

Location. Amhurst, Massachusetts

Date: September 25, 1817

Summary:At 6:25 P.M. three travelers who had just visited the roman monument near Lanuejols and were going through the “Causse de Mende” to reach that town saw in the south-southeast (towards Villefort) a luminous object, “reddish in color, in the shape of a disk three or four times larger than the full Moon.” It disappeared 2 or 3 minutes later. The sky was hazy and a fine rain was falling.

Source: Le Midi Libre, 25 September 1954. We have not traced an earlier source.

Location. France

Date: September 25, 1817

Summary: One red disc was observed by three witnesses on a farm for over three minutes.

Source: Lumieres dans la Nuit

Location. Tower Of London

Date: October 1817

Summary: An object was observed. Physiological effects were noted. One object, about 3 inches across, was observed by two witnesses, a married couple, at a castle for two minutes (Swifte).

Source: FSR

I'm loving this shit.!

I’m not sure if this fits here, but what about the 2015 ufo sighting in L.A.? They passed it as a missile but it looks like those

The first time I saw this thing was in the Norwegian spiral videos, maybe 5-8 yrs ago. This "spacex" sham is def bs. But then again, I'm a retarded flat earther.

Pretty interesting, the Vancouver one looks exactly the same. Does this effect happen every time there is a night launch?

Willing to bet that Elon Musk did that shit on purpose just to bait

Holeeshit! Nice find!

Isn’t the light cloud around the space x launch a phenomenon that happens around flying objects under the right conditions? This would mean that it could happen to any flying object of any origin given the right conditions. It would not necessarily mean they are connected in origin.

It means that spaceX tech is very outdated.

Just for grins? Honda Civic R commercial

http://russiatrek.org/blog/photos/the-sky-views-during-space-rockets-launches/

Don’t underestimate the ability of professional video editing and neatly timed “drills”. This is probably what it’s said to be, but one to keep in files along with relevant quotes and explanations.

Isn't this a bit ridiculous since the launch had been planned for awhile now? It's not like everyone saw it and then they were like "oh, launched a rocket btw!"

I work in the rocket industry. My two sense it that.. sometimes launches just look like this. No reason to think aliens were involved

You build rockets but dont know that you give your two cents, not you two sense?

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Another pseudo-scientific distraction campaign, very easily torn apart by a basic level of scrutiny which most people will nonetheless not devote to it, and therefor be hoodwinked yet again, as they have ben about the earth being flat.

One of the "source" images has no source. The article merely says the image is one frequently used to illustrate the sighting in Russia, not that it's an actual picture of the sighting. That article also says that the rocket exhaust appears so brilliant because the sun was just under the horizon, causing it to illuminate the exhaust trail but not the surrounding sky. This is the exact same reason the SpaceX launch looked the way it did, and rocket technology, frankly, hasn't changed much in the last 100 years. We still use kerosene for rocket fuel. Yes kerosene. So the outputs are similar, the stages of thrust are similar, and these would appear similarly illuminate by the sun being in a similar position.

The other source image, from Vancouner, is not only very dissimilar in appearance to the SpaceX launch, but it's blatantly a picture from some kind of production set, not a live picture taken of a UFO event.

Rubbish. Stop falling for this shit just because you want the world to be more exciting than you think it is. If you study some actual science instead of this pseudo-science, you'll not only be able to spot disinformation like this, but the world actually becomes way more fascinating than you probably think it is if you don't understand the physics and chemistry of events like these. You will literally be able to bear witness to more of life if you do the de rigour of studying it instead of engaging in these fantasies. We haven't been contacted by aliens, despite that they are statistically likely to exist (they're also statistically likely to be extremely far from us in both time and space).

The 1937 photo just shows that rockets have been around longer than most people realize:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregat_(rocket_family)

The 1857 UFO story seems like a possible encounter with demons. "Aliens" are demons, after all:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Unholy_Communion.html?id=RlWeQQAACAAJ

The 1977 Russia incident is probably a rocket or missile.

I have researched the 1897 Texas incident before, and I believe it to be an early top secret hydrogen balloon covered up by the military:

http://www.airships.net/zeppelins/

The painting from 1350 brings to mind these UFO battles from the Renaissance, which I believe to be demonic activity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_celestial_phenomenon_over_Basel

May 17, 2016 https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/05/17/fiery-meteor-seen-maine-skies/fDlRgdfhemRE0JhxO042fN/story.html

Today

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/12/26/meteor-flashes-through-sky-lights-up-social-media/

http://wgme.com/news/local/fireball-likely-a-meteor-lights-up-skies-over-maine

2 weeks ago

http://bestsellermagazine.com/news/Fireball!-Brilliant-Meteor-Streaks-Over-Northeastern-US-(Video)/

2 years ago

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-giant-fireball-meteor-in-new-england-2016-5

These are visible from Maine quite often. With the other nefarious things happening here, I wonder...

2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/health/mystery-light-sky/index.html AND http://abc7.com/news/mysterious-lights-in-sky-spotted-in-socal/123917/

The Russia '77 one looks a hell of a lot like a meteor exploding in the atmosphere to me.

The night it happened I simply asked if it was possible that the technology that was used had extraterrestrial technology. One hundred down votes, wtf I couldn’t even start to ask.

It's possible that this phenomenon is common between UFO's and these rockets. The effect in the air causing the large glowing aura around the rocket/ufo is from the atmosphere condensing around it in a particularly stunning way. The SpaceX rocket launch was definitely a rocket though.

Elon Musk is obviously a time traveller

Quite fascinating, can’t be a coincidence can it?

Russian rocket launches

Here’s Russian rocket launch pretty much similar to the space x one. One of the girls in the video says she has seen this before. (I speak Russian)

SpaceX 'rocket', I mean these are the same people that cover pages with nothing but black strips when it comes to releasing classified information. These are the same people that covered up Roswell and god knows what else. And when I say these people I don't mean specifically the Air force base of Vandenberg.

All I am saying it wouldn't be hard to make us believe it was only a 'rocket' cause false information would not be hard to spread, especially in these times. You were at the rocket launch? Great. I wasn't and I've never seen a rocket launch before so I'm gonna keep calling it a UFO.

Why should we believe them when they didn't believe us for so many years and still won't share any information with us. I call bs they're up to something even if it was just a 'rocket'. We shouldn't be giving them the luxury to herd us around.

i watched it start from a red dot that appeared in the middle of the sky, turn into a red line, and then change to white.

last time i checked, rockets launch from the ground, not mid-air

damn, you're going to mess with secureteam10's narrative xD

I looked at the Aurora incident and freaked out when I saw it happened on my birthday.

FACT: USA GOVT IS A OWNED CORPORATE PROGRAM. THESE ARE PROOF OF A UFO.... GO ON THE DARK WEB, FIND SOME FILES THAT SHOW PROOF THERE HAVE BEEN UFOS... YA NEED TO WAKE TF UP ITS A UFO NOT ANYTHING RELATED TO THE FUCKING GOVT. HOW NASA GOING TO HAVE THAT BEFORE 1900S IF ROSWELL WAS DURING THE 1950S THE COLD WAR WAS DURING 1900S SOOOOOO IF YA THINK USA MADE A SPACESHIP BEFORE ROSWELL THEN YA RETARDED

It's strange that they've been launching rockets for years now (SpaceX), I've never seen one like this. Were any announcements made before the launch?? It caught people off guard, there's even footage of accidents happening because people were confused at what they were seeing. Is it strange that this came near the same time as the Pentagon's UFO disclosure?

I don't know date but check the dates for when madonna with saint john was made. the painting of where mary is holding a young baby. there's a ufo in the back (metallic object, circular)

Link for the lazy?

You lazy rat bastard! Hehehe

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So this could be a rocket test. Would make a lot of sense to be able to see the space x, vs back in 37. And how much the two look alike. OP is pointing to some biblical reference when in reality it’s more likely it’s military testing. As is much of the ufo things we see.

That's what I figured he meant but I was suspicious of his approach.

what is tungsten?

Worked for DARPA in the 90s , a lot of the stuff then was so advanced, most ppl would think it alien. That's 27 years ago too, the stuff they have now would probably blow our minds.

Just because hd cameras existed doesn't mean they were fixated on every building 24/7 just in case.

I'm not religious, I'm way more open to competing alien dominancebthan J God and angels, and Satan and Demons

a satellite that drops a rod of tungsten as a projectile...

Well that sounds quite useless both in terms of accuracy and effect.

Many steerable ICBM warheads have a CEP of >100m, though some are close to zero.

Even if a 500kg tungsten rod survived the atmosphere completely, retaining it's velocity and mass, the impact would be roughly comparable to 0.006 kilotons of TNT which is nothing. Why not put a 500kg real warhead into orbit instead?

I tend to think everything is a trio. Sure there's light and dark but there's also twilight. Black white, grey, hot cold, warm. Just my 2c.

That's an idea for a short story

Ok. Don't?

Thank you!

I love how there's one picture of something that looks vaguely similar to a phenomenon that isn't rare at all and you claim ALIENSSSSSS

the norway spiral was a failed Russian bulava missile test

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump

Trump's uncle was tasked with sorting Tesla's notes. Supposedly, amongst them was time travel theory. I forget the actual conspiracy theory though.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-death-ray-border-wall-trump-2017-2

Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse

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Hah still, after 1897.

He mentioned that in his post. Stop being a douche.

I live near Joint Base Lewis Mcchord in Washington State. I had seen 2 of these this past summer. I was freaking out and couldn't find any explanation. It wasn't on the news or social media. I didn't happen to take any picture as it seemed like it much further away. The first one traveled vertically towards earth. Then it happened a month or so later, this one was traveling horizontally. My girlfriend claims it was the air force.

40 years later in 2017 LA it was photographed and reported as a ‘SpaceX launch’

hes saying that its the same phenomena, and that they are calling it a SpaceX launch as a cover up, which clearly implies the SpaceX launch never happened

Multi stage rockets have been around since the 1910s