Is Joe Rogan a shill?
58 2017-12-27 by Tylerr56
I like Rogan and think he has an open mind, but sometimes when talking about real issues (Deep State) he is quick to switch subjects. With all this UFO talk it seems to me that the Tom DeLonge podcast was more than a coincidence.... I was just curious if anyone else has an opinion on Joe and if there are any other dots to connect or if I'm just looking into nothing.
185 comments
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
He will not touch JQ
1 Tylerr56 2017-12-27
JQ?
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
He won’t talk about Jewish influence, IQ, etc.
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
Can we stop saying "Jewish" influence? I'm sure you're talking about some Jewish family like the Rothschilds or something. Just because one Jewish family basically controls the world, that doesn't mean that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy. They're not powerful because they're Jewish, they're powerful because they're rich.
1 dwarfwhore 2017-12-27
Do you not know about the jews in Hollywood? Gimme a break. Its not about racism, its that a particular sect of people are running the show in Hollywood. That why dudes like Harvey Weinstein somehow get addendums written into their contracts to cover sexual assault allegations by the company for the duration of the contract. Only the hollywood jews would think of something so sinister.
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
So how about all of the non-Jewish people in Hollywood that turned out to be protected pedophile rapists? Kevin Spacey? Bill Cosby?
1 dwarfwhore 2017-12-27
IM not saying that they only deal in rape. They control everything. How is that even being argued against. Who knows if they are all in cahoots with one another? I dont. I dont know what they allegedly may have done in order to meet the scope of whats been necessary for the meteoric rise of television and entertainment.
Kevin Spacey was abused as a child. His father was a horrible person.
Bill Cosby is a psychopath who's bizarre behavior has been covered up for years. Cosby is a serial rapist, and if there was more documentation would be on the list for top predators of all time.
Who covered all those tracks for both of those guys all these years?
If your next point is "Then why are they caught" Then I'll answer it by saying that they are the trickle-truth personified. Cosby was outed by Hannibal, a comedian friend of several well-known Jews. Spacey on the other hand was a bomb waiting to drop.
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
The percentage of people caught in these scandals who are Jewish is like 50%. They are 2% of American population. Larry David (Jewish) even made a joke about it on SNL three weeks ago.
1 OgSpaceJam 2017-12-27
The Jews know the roots of banking
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
Again, no. A couple of Jewish families know the roots of banking. Not all Jewish people. See the difference?
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
Jews can all get interest free loans via the Jewish Free Loan Association. It’s an international org providing zero interest loans to Jews. But... it’s not for gentiles.
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
There's worse black people and they aren't even rich.
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
Jews are ~2% of America. What pct of Harvard students do you think they are? What pct of CNN pundits do you think are Jewish? What pct of major media outlets are owned by Jews? Can you name a single Jewish advocacy org (there are hundreds) in America that opposes an open-borders immigration policy?
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
How is that a conspiracy that Jewish people are often successful?
1 Jabberwooky2008 2017-12-27
The “conspiracy” is really just hypocrisy. They advocate for making America a multicultural open-borders consumerist shopping center... while Israel remains essentially an ethno-state, regulating who can gain citizenship, deporting Ethiopian Jews, etc. There isn’t anything wrong with what Israel is or does. What’s annoying is when dual-citizenship Jews in America advocate to make America a place that welcomes all the dregs of the world.
1 BeLucky 2017-12-27
This is reddit where people love to abbreviate words into initials that you will have no idea what they mean. It gives them a sense of hierarchy that only a small percentage understand what they are talking about.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-12-27
I personally think he's a gatekeeper, yes.
1 Tylerr56 2017-12-27
Gate keeper to anything in particular? Or just influencing people's opinions on the world's happenings?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2017-12-27
There are certain topics he never touches, and the topics he does touch are "Kosher" at best. He's just a more "fringe/out their" version of Alex Jones, imo.
1 Nomar_Garciawhiner 2017-12-27
I'm struggling to find the clip, but Rogan called the Alex Jones show on 9/11/01 to propagate a certain narrative (imo), I think they've been "co-workers" for a while. Does u/thepaulstalservice4 have the clip?
1 misto1481 2017-12-27
Nice! Cool seeing Joe Rogan and Bill Hicks doing imporov together! Comeidians gotta stick together.
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
I forgot aj has opened for him and Doug stanhope a few times.
1 thepaulstalservice4 2017-12-27
@ Nomar_Garciawhiner - Hey man, just re-uploading the clip you're talking about now.. seeing as how they keep removing my YouTube channels it was removed. Here you go ;) https://youtu.be/1LtAj9Umat0
1 Nomar_Garciawhiner 2017-12-27
Removed again(!) but phew glad I wasn't imagining it lol. IIRC it was pretty blatant shilling.
And I swear they had Alex Jones on JRE's 911th episode to fuck with search algorithms so if you're looking for "Joe rogan on Alex Jones on 9/11" you'll get the 911th show of JRE. Brilliant!!!
And sorry if it seems like I'm stalking u around these here parts, you have a different take than many that I find refreshing.
1 thepaulstalservice4 2017-12-27
Yeah, that' very likely what they're doing.
A lot like "Hillary Clinton 9/11 Collapse"
No worries on the "stalking" don't mind at all, nice to have a few people around.
1 Drewcifer419 2017-12-27
What?! Rogan is more fringe/out there than AJ?!
1 TheWiredWorld 2017-12-27
Joe Rogannis a more "out there" version of Alex Jones.
Just when I didn't think you could get any dumber.
1 kyleNOBANnigga 2017-12-27
Shut his comments down after Mike Baker CIA
1 WindCriesnnary 2017-12-27
He's not a gatekeeper but he knows that he'll be killed or his show pulled if he touches on "pressure point" topics without his usual disclaimer
"This may or may NOT be true, but..."
1 Drooperdoo 2017-12-27
I used to be a huge Rogan fan. Then he changed when he moved to Vegas and started hanging out with Penn and Teller, the Amazing Randi and the "professional skeptic circuit". It's then that he turned into a "conventionalist". Instead of questioning things, he started attacking people who questioned things.
I remember on his short-lived TV show "Joe Rogan Questions Everything," he denied that chem trails existed. Then oops: Old podcasts on Youtube demonstrated that he had high-level knowledge of them years ago. Yet on his show, he acted like he didn't know about a lot of the documentation and played dumb.
It shocked me. So yeah: He became a shill.
As I said: I trace it to the time when he started hanging out what the Penn and Teller/Amazing Randi crowd. Randi in particular has all sorts of CIA ties. His skeptic organization even shared a building with a CIA office. He's also on the Board of the "False Memory Foundation," which is a pedophile front group that goes around trying to discredit victims in trials: an organization that has been linked to the CIA's Project Monarch [where they use children to blackmail politicians].
So Joe's acquired a lot of creepy friends once he made the move to Vegas and started hanging out with these creeps.
Then his podcast started to change and morph.
I think a forensic analysis of his bank account would answer a lot of questions for why his tone and methodology changed. And why he went from a questioner to a Defender of the Orthodoxy.
1 jdubb198 2017-12-27
Thanks man. A lot of good info in your posted i didnt know, but makes sense now.
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
You're right, those influences have been terrible on Rogan, but he's had some really good influences too, such as Graham Hancock and the MAPS crowd, his friends Aubrey Marcus and Duncan Trussell. Rogan is split, but at this point I still like the guy and think there's hope. I believe hes honest, just confused, but so are most people. At least Rogan is trying to find the truth. Check out his interview debate between Graham Hancock and Michael Shermer.
And Rogan has done more than perhaps anyone in history other than Terence McKenna to bring the bizarre DMT story to public consciousness. If you've never done it- try DMT someday.
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
Terence McKenna said he'd never do it again. Have you even tried it?
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
Of course. He's not allowed to exist on the grande scale that he does without towing the line.
1 Tylerr56 2017-12-27
Who does Rogan answer to? I just have a hard time imagining an actual person emailing Joe outlining what he can and cannot talk about.
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
Just think about it. Joe has 2 million subscribers on YouTube alone, nevermind all the other platforms. If he went against the establishment and started creating dissent, he'd be scooped up and taken to the MK Ultra lab so fast, just like they did with Kanye West. He has way too much influence over people and the people in charge know it.
FWIW, Alex Jones admitted that the CIA paid Rogan a visit and told him to shut his mouth. You can see a sharp stance change with Joe Rogan, almost as if he's undoing all the damage he already caused with his moon hoax talk.
That's because they wouldn't email him LMFAO. That wouldn't get the message across. They'd knock on his door and day stfu or your finished. End of story.
1 Nogrim6 2017-12-27
chances are it would have been an envelope with photos of his kids playing in the yard.
hes not stupid, he would instantly know what that meant.
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
Would he though? What if it was some obsessed fan? Maybe if the envelope was sealed with a CIA emblem.
1 StraidOfOlaphis 2017-12-27
Most people here have invented this image of the world they desperately want to be true because it's much more exciting than the truth.
I think it's sad and keeps them from any real deep thinking while they circle jerk about "compromised podcasters getting visited by the CIA" lol...
1 NardDogAndy 2017-12-27
Joe is a few spots below Oprah on iTunes. Don't you think it's the least bit possible that a government organization known for controlling media would have some conversations with and potentially define boundaries for one of the most popular media personalities in the world?
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
Ding ding. This guy gets it.
I'm sorry to those that get upset about this, but your favorite podcaster is compromised and has been for awhile.
1 StraidOfOlaphis 2017-12-27
Yes. The CIA doesn't concern themselves with podcasters like you would like to believe.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-12-27
He's still got lawyers.
1 LurkingStoner 2017-12-27
I think it’s safe to say that lawyers and laws don’t always stop the government.
1 monkeyhear 2017-12-27
years ago he rolled his eyes at the camera while Jesse Ventura was pointing out and talking about chemtrails above them on Jesse's tv show. Never listened to a word he's said since.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
this is good critical thinking
1 Allinon72 2017-12-27
Rogan has had a talking to in the last 6-12 months for sure. In the last few he almost immediately shuts down anything status quo, unless it's Eddie Bravo, who they treat like a mental patient.
1 Nogrim6 2017-12-27
hes got kids, i imagine he wants to see them grow up.
1 sackofpens- 2017-12-27
Exactly. He's way too open minded to be a shill but I think for his safety he is cooling down considering he has 2 million subscribers now. Free speech and the truth becomes dangerous when it's loud.
1 eschaton777 2017-12-27
I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. He used to be "open minded" but at some point a few years ago he flipped and now is "too stupid" to know anything for himself and all of the sudden he preaches the status quo. In his very first episode of 'Joe Rogan Questions Everything' He "debunked" chemtrails by teaming up with mega shill Mick West. It was over the top ridicules as they had no evidence and Joe is an over the top obvious shill (regardless of the reasons why he is a has made the decision to sell out)
1 sackofpens- 2017-12-27
I'll take it. I guess the way that I have seen him talk in the past episodes seems like he cares about people a lot. I really don't know what side is right so I'm open to it.
1 patrickmanning1 2017-12-27
LOL at Rogan being "open-minded". Yeah, covering for known plagiarizer and liberal propaganda swine Amy Schumer is really "open-minded". Look at his behaviour in the Duncan Trussel podcast when questioned about being contacted. He also racebaits a lot and pushes the idea that everyone is all the same and borders are stupid despite living behind high walls to keep commoners out.
1 Singularity2soon 2017-12-27
I noticed recently They have treated Eddie with kid gloves to say the least. Or maybe they always have, and I just didn't notice
1 HRC_Eats_Babies 2017-12-27
Spot on.
1 dontdothey 2017-12-27
Been saying this
1 TheWiredWorld 2017-12-27
Yup for anyone interested, hisbold episodes are AMAZING. Number 279 is my favorite. I miss those days.
I feel like allnof the human collective consciousness was waking up.
1 jdubb198 2017-12-27
Then his handlers blue pilled him the fuck shut.
1 DonCrassus 2017-12-27
There are rumors that he was threatened. Should not surprise any of us.
1 Vigte 2017-12-27
Any sauce on this? I can search myself, just wondered if you knew where you heard it?
1 k0bimus 2017-12-27
It’s not lazy anymore to ask for a source. Anytime ive googled anything in the last 6 months outside of “who was in this movie?” I haven’t got much info in return. Bing has been solid but anyone getting on someones case for wanting a source should understand this; i like to think there are people out there and on this sub that have better references and sources than myself.
1 Vigte 2017-12-27
Plus it's always nice to find new sites/sources for yourself too, sometimes you wouldn't have found a site at all if someone hadn't linked to it :)
I try using Startpage or Duckduckgo (both return VERY different results when researching), I'll give Bing a go too, but I guess I hated them automatically for installing that stupid bar on my browser like 100 times lol.
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
Its because SEO is so open to the public now. Sourced are drowned out by "bloggers" writing buzzword entries for google bucks.
1 StefanYellowCurry 2017-12-27
Alex Jones said it on his show then retracted it and apologized for saying it.
1 jdubb198 2017-12-27
Someone that has a following like Rogan absolutely. Probably has a team of handlers making sure he doesnt stray. It's sad because he was one of the good ones that would be open to conspiracy discussion.
1 kaydpea 2017-12-27
You’re right , he has had a talking to , by his reputable educated guests who know wtf they’re talking about
1 Freedom_fam 2017-12-27
They get him an offer he couldn't refuse:
Lifetime supply of Elk meat or get shut up.
1 Facts_About_Cats 2017-12-27
The only single thing non-mainstream about him is he talks about hallucinogens. So brave.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-12-27
Promotes fat based diets, alternative history, bitcoin, the bullshitness of Hollywood. And lots of hallucinogenic talk. He's pretty brave for how many listeners he has now.
1 Facts_About_Cats 2017-12-27
You just listed a bunch of trendy stupid fads.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2017-12-27
Ok guy.
1 k0bimus 2017-12-27
And you listed nothing in rebuttal
1 __soulembrace 2017-12-27
Listen nobody here subscribed to Cat Facts ok?
1 MARCORUBIO_RAVEPARTY 2017-12-27
I don’t think he’s a shill for having different beliefs.
His views have evolved since he started the pod. That’s expected when you have the chance to sit down and converse with a variety of different people who process and articulate vast amounts of information differently.
I believe he’s evolved to the point of wanting to be more fact based and scientific when conspiracy theories are discussed. He’s still a comedian, so it’s not like he has all the answers. At the end of the day he’s entitled to his own opinion. But he’s definitely had some ex abc guys on his show. Maybe they’ve swayed his opinions by giving him insider breadcrumbs and he believes it.
1 _-dO_Ob-_ 2017-12-27
Used to really love Rogan. But he has became a shill over the last year. It is sad.
1 Spider_Goat7 2017-12-27
Yes and no
1 WayneCarversMedSkool 2017-12-27
His sponsors pay him. If his sponsors say don't talk about X, he doesn't talk about X. So I guess yeah he kinda is a paid shill.
1 krulos 2017-12-27
Listening to Joe and his buddies is like watching a bunch of high and dumb dude bros trying to talk philosophy
1 cretter 2017-12-27
A bit unfair...compared to mainstream news media he's a breath of fresh air
1 krulos 2017-12-27
A dog taking a dump on a sidewalk is a breath of fresh air compared to MSM. Listening to Rogan makes me feel like my IQ is dropping. The "insight" on his show is no better than listening to the pot heads down at the local corner shop talk about life
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
Where do you get your news? I'm honestly just curious
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
What? He regularly has intellectuals on like Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, and then all the scientists, like Rhonda Patrick. That's a far cry from some dude bro dope smokers.
1 dwarfwhore 2017-12-27
So what can you tell me about insulin precursors and DNA repair?
1 MsRoyal 2017-12-27
Agree. I saw a video of him years ago yelling, in a public place, at an older lady (60's, I'd say) & never paid a bit of attention to anything he did again. Stereotypical jerky dudebro.
1 destraht 2017-12-27
From what I saw of his short lived conspiracy show it was just a hit piece but it could have been due to the editing.
1 BassBeerNBabes 2017-12-27
Yeah he's great at framing ideas but he's dumb like everyone else and it causes him to get wrapped up in contradiction. That imbalance of belief is part of what gets his best people on.
To be fair the Weinstein bros are always good interviewees. They pull out a more moral grounded argument which I think Joe does well with for the most part.
1 sweetholymosiah 2017-12-27
nah Rogan is just a dude
1 YoungSachii 2017-12-27
"Paid shill
1 k0bimus 2017-12-27
I think he’s making plenty of money to just take more money to be a shill. I think hes just aware of the power of the internet and suggestion and doesn’t want mis- or disinformation on his show. People talking about fringe ideas is one thing but allowing unproven or questionable accounts of events to be talked about when few people actually know the truth is another
1 quantummajic 2017-12-27
I think he doesn't want to be associated with the things that can't be 100% proven. He's scared to go out too far on a limb
1 SugeRay 2017-12-27
I think he started out as a dude who was curious about things and that’s why if you listen to the first episodes you hear him talk about all various out there subjects. I think as time went on and he started having guests on that the whole world is indoctrinated to feel are “legit” he then started to gain more popularity and now he knows he can’t play mr smart comedian know it all so if you notice when he has a guest on like Neil the grass Tyson’s he plays the submissive and curious role but when when he has someone who is not an expert in their field he feels more confidence and has a very much more dominant and snarky tone. And then of course there is the Cali lip smack he does when he thinks your about to be blown away by his “unique” view about something. Also as many others have said he seems to be one of those people who hold out what they really feel about certain subjects because it’s eventually going to be viewed as anti pc by someone and just tip toes the middle line in the name of downloads.
1 Jordapan 2017-12-27
I don't think he's a shill per se... He just doesn't want to get involved in shit that could affect his show. He never holds an unpopular opinion and always tries to take the middle road on every subject.
1 Digitel 2017-12-27
he is enjoying the money and wants to protect his empire. cant scare too many advertisers off.
1 Froglake9 2017-12-27
He's a total shill. His podcast has been shit lately. Let's have some more scientists on and less promoting.
1 LurkingStoner 2017-12-27
I would love for him to prove this wrong, but lately... it seems to be very main stream topics and issues.
1 barellano1084 2017-12-27
He's not a shill, he's just a dude who's managed to become the most profitable podcaster out there. He understandably doesn't want to jeopardize that by being too controversial. I don't like it, but I totally get it. He's making crazy money.
1 NoOneMakesItOutAlive 2017-12-27
How does he make so much?
Advertisements?
1 Hagriss 2017-12-27
Sponsors and ad revenue. His podcast is one of, if not the biggest podcast. He also streams it live on YouTube and posts videos on his YouTube page which generate more ad revenue with the same content. I feel like Joe used to be more open minded, I feel like he's only more recently started to be less "open minded". He's talked with lots of people about some pretty wild things, maybe he just got paranoid. Or maybe someone did tell him to shut up. Sad to see it happen either way.
1 barellano1084 2017-12-27
Some people speculate that he makes between $50k - $100k per episode. Unconfirmed obviously, but it makes sense if you do the math. Sponsors, YouTube views, ad revenue from iTunes, YT, direct supports, Patreon, etc. But even if it's less than that, when you consider that he averages about 3 episodes per week, it's pretty good money for talking into a microphone.
1 pabbseven 2017-12-27
He gets millions of downloads per episode.
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
To be fair, though- Rogan has touched controversial subjects more than the vast majority of people. I'm a big advocate for the DMT experience as a way to not only grow up on a personal level but to encounter non-human intelligence. Rogan has been nothing short of heroic in his effort to bring that reality to light.
He's not always on point, and he's had some horrific guests on (Milo Yiannopoulous, for instance), but I really think Joe Rogan is honest and trying his best.
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
Not everyone enjoys being fuckef with by goblins and ghuls that dmt brings around. Im happy they are "your friends", but they aren't everyone's friend.
1 platinum_peter 2017-12-27
He takes the status quo line on certain issues. He is a shill. He refuses to entertain ideas and many times shuts the topic down.
1 sprinklesfactory 2017-12-27
Examples?
1 patrickmanning1 2017-12-27
That's what a shill is though. He has no integrity. Everything/Anything he says should be considered bullshit.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
what does shill mean in this case? doesnt believe every conspiracy out there?
I guess shill really does mean 'disagrees with me' on here. Itd be interesting to see what conspiracies the people in here dont believe in(who are also calling joe a shill), so we could see this sub eat itself
1 KrakensReport 2017-12-27
He has his handlers. He knows where the line is.
Past that I have no idea.
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
I don't feel that way about Joe Rogan fans, but I do feel that way about NYT readers.
1 JTCX 2017-12-27
Yeah. Have you ever heard him talk about veganism?
1 BWet00 2017-12-27
I still like the guy but his tone has certainly changed recently and I watch/listen with even more skepticism. His reaction to topics like 9/11, building 7 and the Chester death were not authentic and seemed to me like someone who was compromised. Can't even entertain foul play with Chester because it's disrespectful? OK, Joe.
Also, Callen gives me bad vibes and [purely speculative] I think he's got some pervy to him.
1 kyleNOBANnigga 2017-12-27
He shut his comments down after Mike Baker came on last time.
1 jhustla 2017-12-27
Honestly, based off of that podcast with DeLonge, I would be hard pressed to believe what tommy said because he was never able to go into details. Made him sound bonkers to me.
1 Themourse 2017-12-27
That was a tough interview to get through. Delonge was a joke, but Joe could have taken him more seriously. There was little respect coming from Joe in that interview compared with having someone like Graham Hancock on.
1 StraidOfOlaphis 2017-12-27
Why respect a joke?
1 LurkingStoner 2017-12-27
Professionalism
1 SmedleysButler 2017-12-27
I think Delonge is honest I just think he has been fed the line by the " insiders" and is just parroting stuff he thinks is real. Its a pretty common tactic in this field.
1 horridCAM666 2017-12-27
This was my thoughts on it. The trick is that they BELIEVE they actually know the truth.
1 iemploreyou 2017-12-27
Is this irony?
1 quantumbill 2017-12-27
I dunno is it?
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
Right, that was not Rogan's fault. Delonge came off terribly. It was a facepalm to me because I think it's clear that there is a secret space program, but that interview didn't help the cause.
1 jhustla 2017-12-27
Oh for sure! It’s just the way everything was presented could have been done a whole lot better. There’s definitely some stuff going on but Tom just made himself sound like a kook. “I can’t say” was said way too often to sound believable.
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
I know, and nearly everyone could see that. I was on Youtube furiously writing comments trying to cover for Delonge. On the subject of the secret space program, check out Richard Sauder's work. (I'm not saying that to you specifically, but to anyone).
Delonge probably has some real knowledge that's actually important; too bad he's so clueless about how to deliver it.
1 jhustla 2017-12-27
I don’t doubt that he knows at least something but his medium of explanation was lacking. I’ll be sure to check that out. Love the username btw.
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
Severely lacking, I agree. Thanks! I'm a drug legalization activist, lifelong passion. Plug for Students For Sensible Drug Policy, www.ssdp.org
1 jhustla 2017-12-27
I dig it.
1 GirlsGetGoats 2017-12-27
the whole "everyone who slightly disagrees with me is a Shill" mindset that has taken over this sub is one of the most disgusting things to happen to this sub. There is no more critical thinking or discussion to be had. Its so fucking intellectually lazy and dishonest. The only people who think like that are people who have no interest in finding the truth or having a reasonable discussion.
People have different opinions, thoughts, and priorities than you. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO.
Its insane how so many people who want everyone to think one way with no discussion.
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
What? People are laying out their reasoning for saying Rogan is compromised. That is critical thought. Most would argue that he's not getting paid to shill, rather he's towing a line acceptable to the establishment.
It seems like you're the one that doesn't like differing opinions based on your comment here.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
how is he a shill if hes not getting paid?
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
People are using the term 'shill' way too loosely these days, but as I've laid out, he probably doesn't get paid. They have too much power over him to have to pay him.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
so he more or less believes the commonly accepted theories? and this is shill behavior?
to not be a shill you need to accept alternate theories?
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
That's what he portrays, however, a couple of years ago he was a full on conspiracy theorist. His moon hoax debates were legendary but he's since done a 180 on that and nearly every other conspiracy. He used to question WT7 but now he pushes the mainstream narrative.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
and the only explanation is that he received a talking to from TPTB or is he is protecting his revenue stream, despite knowing the 'truth'? what if he looked into it and didnt find sufficient evidence to support the alternate theories, or found the evidence behind the actual existence of a space program to be more convincing?
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
No. He's a conspiracy theorist at heart and is a smart guy. He can see the deception. You obviously haven't been following him for very long, if at all. There was a drastic change in Joe in regards to conspiracies. Now add in what Alex Jones said, and it's a no brainer.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
spent a ton of hours listening to his podcasts. hes gone into why he doesnt buy most of them, chemtrails, bigfoot, moon. the evidence that used to convince him doesnt stand up to the same scrutiny from educated people.
If those who described themselves as 'conspiracy theorists' (people who believe most of the theories) applied the same skepticism to their alternate theories that they applied to the official explanations theyd have to shake up their belief structures
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
If you buy that, I have a bridge to sell you. Bigfoot is of course bullshit, but chemtrails are very real (HARP), and the moon landing was a hoax.
1 UnverifiedAlligator 2017-12-27
and the earth is flat. what you dont believe that? Youre just like Joe
1 Chokaholic 2017-12-27
I found the flat earther ^
1 FollowJesus2Live 2017-12-27
Something changed with Rogan around the time off the Alex Jones / Jordan Peterson podcasts. I think he drew too much attention away from official globalist narratives. Joe has always been carefree and dome things his own way. He has more money than he needs. I don't buy for a second that he's tempered himself so he remains super popular. I would bet money he was threatened (family mentioned), and given directives on what lines not to cross again. I've seen him almost reflexively change the subject a few times when Eddie brings up things like Chester Benningfield (linkin park) being murdered, and being Podesta's son
1 kyleNOBANnigga 2017-12-27
His podcasts have pretty much sucked since april, may of 2017. Stamets and few others have been only decent ones.
1 BarfMarksman 2017-12-27
I'm glad someone else noticed that. I used to love it. But now I just cringe when I put it on.
1 Rith2 2017-12-27
I listen to Rohan a lot, iirc he changed the subject because of how recently Chester had died
1 FollowJesus2Live 2017-12-27
Could explain that one, yes
1 ProWresBlog2 2017-12-27
Lost all credibility to me when he refused to even consider that Virginia was a false flag.
1 Drewcifer419 2017-12-27
I think he's just a guy who got in over his head with a few things, and just wants to do his thing with as little drama as possible. He smokes way too much pot to put up with the wackos on the left and the right to try to get into too much more than he already does. I'd bet that in private he has some pretty out there theories but, on his show he just wants to be able to relax and bullshit about generally agreed upon topics.
1 k0bimus 2017-12-27
I just want to sit in a room with him and eddie for like 5 hrs and see what an unrecorded convo would be like
1 butteredfingernails 2017-12-27
He doesn't strike me as a shill, but I'm sure he does play it safe on some topics in order to avoid backlash from certain parties.
1 thasilversurfer 2017-12-27
not so much shilling more tip toeing around certain topics
1 RocketPowersSD 2017-12-27
He seems like an incredibly genuine person. But he also has a family life now. That has a way of changing the equation.
But he had Tom DeLonge on and let him speak freely about whatever form of Disclosure is coming, so I’m not sure what it amounts to.
1 Apersonofinterest666 2017-12-27
The interview with Mick West from Metabunk was rage inducing.
1 yeahyeahdefinitely 2017-12-27
absolutely.... i had to turn it off when Mick flat out said he believes the Warren Commission was for the most part accurate.
1 Apersonofinterest666 2017-12-27
Including the “Magic Bullet”. Joe was going along with him saying that the illustration was inaccurate and makes it look worse than it is because it’s totally possible for a bullet to ricochet around, bouncing off bones and such.
Neither of them could explain the pristine bullet found on the hospital gurney though.
1 artie_bucco 2017-12-27
Not true at all. Rogan said the pristine bullet doesn't make sense. He said that there's no way a bullet can be that pristine having gone through whatever it did. He actually said that's where he loses the Warren commission and disagrees with west.
1 Wubzwubz 2017-12-27
No. He doesn't want to sound obsessive like Eddie bravo or Alex Jones, but he'll approach almost any topic.
1 jason73ug 2017-12-27
he is a shill for onnit and fleshlight
1 SizzleChestBrahh 2017-12-27
I believe he recently moved into a new compound, with additions planned. Wonder if he paid cash or received a loan. Ive got some shill chills from him lately.
1 NardDogAndy 2017-12-27
To be fair, he is making a fucking shit load of money from his podcast. Millions of dollars a year without a doubt.
1 dwarfwhore 2017-12-27
Joe is absolutely not a shill. He also doesnt want to piss off any jews in Hollywood. Not for his careers sake, but for his safety. He is a headliner at The Comedy Store, which is a Hollywood staple and s place full of connections to the underside.
1 theawesomethatis 2017-12-27
He's a fringe bandwagoner.
You're into what? metoo!
1 EyeAmCaverage 2017-12-27
He went from die hard moon landings were faked to having Neil Tyson on and never talking about it and also rejecting his own points that are undeniable he used to claim
1 Rith2 2017-12-27
Maybe he just changed his mind when he was presented with more information
1 k0bimus 2017-12-27
Well thats just unacceptable
1 jeramoon 2017-12-27
I have listened to Joe's podcast for awhile, and I saw the Delonge show. Ever since then Joe has seemed a bit off. That episode with Mic Webb was a shillfest concerning 911. So strange, he used to openly question 911- 180° switch now.
1 Kunasroommate 2017-12-27
Watched the delonge ep, and at first I was certain that people in the know were feeding him bullshit as a larp.
Rewatched without listening to joes interruptions and derailment, and delonge seems to have a pretty concise story.
Nazi tech, operations paperclip and highjump, and the space race/Cold War. Makes mention of the formation of the air force and the CIA within 90 days of the Roswell crash, as well as the craft that crashed not being extraterrestrial, but German reverse engineering of extra terrestrial tech. Mentions that we went to the moon, and hints that the idea we didn't is disinfo to cover what's up there.
Also, I've never heard joe talk poorly of a Netflix show, and they gave him a special. He even talks up shows he clearly hasn't seen, such as unbreakable. Great show, but his understanding of pivotal plot points is way off.
I enjoy his guests, and the way he can keep the ball rolling, but he seems like a gatekeeper to me.
1 NOcomedy 2017-12-27
I did not fucking like when he flipped 180 on all of conspiracy topics he mentioned in the early episodes. There was an ongoing rumor online that he was threatened once and had to do the mockery of a shitshow that ''JR questions Everything'' was. He talked so much shit on the moon landings and when Neil D Tyson came, he throatfuck-swallowed the official narrative. He talks about the Gulf of Tonkin these days.
1 jjbanana 2017-12-27
Moreso keeping himself out of trouble rather than being a shill, but I do see what you see.
1 Moelah 2017-12-27
He went from being a moon landing skeptic to a globe earther... of course he's a shill.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2017-12-27
Globe earther? As in if you think the world isn't flat you're a shill?
Jesus christ
1 NardDogAndy 2017-12-27
Russian bot here. Can confirm the Earth is a globe.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2017-12-27
да
1 Moelah 2017-12-27
As in there's one truth you stupid shot for brains. Obviously nuance is lost on your dumb ass.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2017-12-27
Sorry didn't mean to trigger you so much.
But what nuance? Top definition on urban dictionary for globe earther is...
"A person who belives the earth is a sphere"
Like this is just a theory....
But yeah I'm the shit for brains. Riiiiiiight...
1 Moelah 2017-12-27
/facepalm so the nuance was lost on you then, I was right thanks.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2017-12-27
You seem to run into this a bit on reddit. People not understanding you or not getting your 'nuance', followed by your hurling childish insults like shit for brains or dense because everyone else is so stupid..... Cuz they just don't get you.
Your original comment was not clever or nuanced, but poorly communicated and nonsensical, almost like English isn't your first language.
And you're welcome.
1 Moelah 2017-12-27
LMAO JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY THERE ISN'T NUANCE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE RIGHT LOOOOOL. THATS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER.
1 dammitjenkins20cars 2017-12-27
His oft' repeated line, saying that because selective breeding on plants has happened for 100s of years, then the behaviour of massive argichemical and biotech companies like Monsanto is totally fine because that is basically the same thing...
...leads me to believe he is either really stupid or at least a shill or gatekeeper to some degree.
1 Tookmyprawns 2017-12-27
He probably thinks most conspiracy types are retarded, especially in 2017. That's normal. Doesn't make him a shill. Most people think most conspiracies are dumb. They aren't all shills. You must think everyone you meet in life is a shill, I guess.
1 i0datamonster 2017-12-27
Dude he's not a shill, he's just a person. Unlike any other media, his podcast is his own creation. No funders or paid interests.
1 fullspeedornothing- 2017-12-27
He values his own show more than the truth. He's shilling himself.
1 Ryugar 2017-12-27
Not sure. I like Rogan too, even tho he tends to mirror his guests a lot of the time. I dunno if he is a shill tho, if I had to guess he prob got wrapped up in some conspiracy theories that were proven false, and being a public figure got a lot of hate and trolling for it so now he is more careful about what he talks about. As for Deep state, there may be some security risk or loss of advertisers compared to aliens and stuff like that.
He does get some werid guests on tho... I think there was an ex CIA dude who seemed like he was trying to put his spin on things, and I think a "professional debunker" who did similar stuff like calling Tom crazy lol, tho at the time I wouldn't blame him as most people did.
1 StefanYellowCurry 2017-12-27
I think there comes a time in every man's life when they realize they have been chasing their own tail. Some people call it growing up, some people call it shilling.
1 IanPhlegming 2017-12-27
My take: He means well, got too popular to be a free-ranging voice, got threatened or told "be patient." More likely threatened.
1 FORKinmyDICK 2017-12-27
2 years ago I would say fuck no. A year ago I'd say maybe. But lately yes he seems to be one, maybe unintentionally
1 ragegenx 2017-12-27
I don't think he is a shill, but I do believe something or someone scared him after his #911 episode
1 Lyra_Fairview 2017-12-27
A lot of Rogan fanboys in this thread. I definitely think he's a paid shill. Always plays dumb and stymies conversations. During one segment Alex Jones literally implies he's a shill during his own podcast.
1 kidzordon 2017-12-27
I don’t think he’s a shill. Nor do I believe he is censoring or filtering himself at all or for any reason in particular. I think he deals and speaks with a lot of clinically minded folks who are very smart and well educated and has learned some of their behaviors of observation as a result. Nothing about Joe comes off disingenuous. He is still as uninformed as the rest of us.
1 SloppySniper 2017-12-27
YES
1 Justsaguy12345 2017-12-27
He tells people to do dmt.
1 SheikhShack 2017-12-27
I’ve been listening to the JRE podcast for about 4-5 months now. I firmly believe that he KNOWS a lot of shit. The GOOD stuff. That being said, I believe that because he is the show runner of one of the most widely listened to podcasts in the world, he must be careful about what he puts out there.
I used to believe that podcasts were the last form of media that remained completely out of the dirty hands of censorship. The more I listen, the less I am inclined to believe this.
As someone mentioned earlier, in the interest of seeing his daughters grow up happily, I believe JR has no choice but to talk about what he can and save the savory stuff for his private convos that aren’t being listened to (or monitored by) millions of people.
I personally believe that Rogan’s most raw and unfiltered podcast was #911 featuring Eddie Bravo and Alex Jones. Though Alex Jones may SEEM incoherent and absolutely ‘shilly’, I really understood a lot of the points he was making. They sounded goofy and strange upon first listen, but after a couple more listens, it dawned on me that AJ was saying 95% of what I hold to be true in terms of what he refers to as “offworld technology” and “psychic vampires”. Though I may very well be wrong, these are my personal beliefs on the subject.
Onward!
1 jaydimes10 2017-12-27
I agree. he also had a former CIA guy come on the show. red flag. he doesn't get into deep state topics and is strongly mistaken on JFK
1 MACKSBEE 2017-12-27
Can we stop saying "Jewish" influence? I'm sure you're talking about some Jewish family like the Rothschilds or something. Just because one Jewish family basically controls the world, that doesn't mean that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy. They're not powerful because they're Jewish, they're powerful because they're rich.
1 NoOneMakesItOutAlive 2017-12-27
How does he make so much?
Advertisements?
1 Vigte 2017-12-27
Any sauce on this? I can search myself, just wondered if you knew where you heard it?
1 jdubb198 2017-12-27
Someone that has a following like Rogan absolutely. Probably has a team of handlers making sure he doesnt stray. It's sad because he was one of the good ones that would be open to conspiracy discussion.
1 legalize-drugs 2017-12-27
To be fair, though- Rogan has touched controversial subjects more than the vast majority of people. I'm a big advocate for the DMT experience as a way to not only grow up on a personal level but to encounter non-human intelligence. Rogan has been nothing short of heroic in his effort to bring that reality to light.
He's not always on point, and he's had some horrific guests on (Milo Yiannopoulous, for instance), but I really think Joe Rogan is honest and trying his best.
1 platinum_peter 2017-12-27
He takes the status quo line on certain issues. He is a shill. He refuses to entertain ideas and many times shuts the topic down.
1 sackofpens- 2017-12-27
I'll take it. I guess the way that I have seen him talk in the past episodes seems like he cares about people a lot. I really don't know what side is right so I'm open to it.
1 patrickmanning1 2017-12-27
That's what a shill is though. He has no integrity. Everything/Anything he says should be considered bullshit.