Don't let the door hit you on the way out

https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/

that's a shill free zone

Interesting. There's a ton of brand new accounts in there under a week old. I found two that are around a year old but the rest are new.

Going 24 hours a day too. Interesting.

I'm interested in seeing how it develops. Someone is putting a ton of effort into getting it off the ground.

i'm not 100% but i think 8chan created that subreddit last week, so a bunch of 8 channers probably created accounts to post there. A lot of them are very anti-reddit so they probably never had accoutns here before. That's just my guess though

At lest one of the main users claimed to being former /r/conspiracy user with a new account. One user pretended to be a grandma who just signed up, but the account is wiped and born in May.

It's really just T_D 2.0 created to cheerlead the president. What type of conspiracy theorists highly upvote comments like "President Trump should take over Facebook and Twitter"

It seems like most comments are about how Trump is taking everyone down and here are the reasons why. Like posting a former State Senator was taken down, but ignoring that the FBI raided his office in early 2016. Or how AG Sessions is at Guantanamo, but it was actually back in July... but it was totally because he was clearing room for people. Or a "timeline of a takedown" which is literally just random events with specious links that end with Eric Schmidt stepping down as Chairman of Google. Or a horrible infographic about "the links between people" which is just a bunch of lines and dotted lines with zero explaination.

One's who are openly and actively trying to push their "redpill" memes to "normies" across various subs and social media networks. One's who are probably aiming to make some money for @tracybeanz.

Just spent some time tagging users there. Almost all were created 12/19 and 12/20 (or more recently). I like the ones that are pretending to be grandmas who came from 4chan and are just figuring out how to use reddit.

Don't question for a second that there aren't actual grandmas being shown how to use reddit to help supplement their income and reinforce certain agendas. After all, the alt-right's values align pretty nicely with the baby boomer generation and I've certainly come into contact with people in this sub that tend to smell of boomer. It's either meme and insult or bible thump when it comes to their sensibilities.

Oh I believe it's possible, my aunt is someone whose facebook I could watch post a meme born on 4chan or chan-twitter within a few days.

But look around the sub, it seems like a bunch of larping as "oldies" mixed with some alts of other reddit users, channers new to reddit, and maybe some real people who came from twitter. It is a sub created for organizing the spread of propaganda to "normies".

Here's a sweet "granny" who claims they just made an account a few days ago, but really the account is from May and empty of content up until this board's creation.

Jesus aged Christ. It's like watching bots talk to each other.

I've been tagging them in "green". It's like an evergreen forest in there. I'm curious to see how they spread. They already seem to be trying to start shit in this sub over the new rule.

You're fighting a good cause. I need to start tagging.

I don't know if I'm fighting for good or anything. I just think finding socks and seeming botnets is a kind of fun and mostly mindless zone out activity. Like doing a sudoku, or cross-stitch, or pulling weeds.

Note too that some of the older accounts are either wiped, or had a very different posting history up until about 8 days ago when the board was created. I would love to know if a bunch of old veterans and grannies got a tutorial in buying old reddit accounts.

I'd wager they are assigned accounts or it just looks something like this.

Ha! I hope it's easier than that by now.

This is another time where I really do hope these people are getting paid because it's so sad if they're not.

The user you responded to literally has a dupe comment in TMoR.

I actually already had them tagged as a new account and saw their feeble attempt at obfuscating when you called them out.

This new sub is truly bizarre though. I have so far tagged 60+ accounts and accounting all created on the 19th/20th or later. I get that some would be coming from the chans and twitter, but this is a lot of activity and automatic buy in. Several of the older accounts also seem to be bought.

I'm really hoping you add this to your next installment of your research as to duplicate comments with alts. You have made front page posts about this, we recently had words about your bias with your research.

I'm wondering when you are going to level up.

I'd be happy to if I end up finding another vast network to post about. I think I only made it to the front page twice, regarding the jborg007 group. You could also make a post if you really have been collecting and documenting more of their alts and duplicate comments. I think you actually have more of a feel for who are the regulars and what goes on in TMOR. But I would support you and I really think you have projected some allegiances on to me that don't exist.

I'm pretty sure, though, if I end up making a new effort-post it will be about this new sub. I am currently watching brand new accounts (5 in the last hour) fill up the new queue and also be created in that same time frame to comment on the new accounts' content. I've never seen a sub like this while so nascent.

Well, we just caught a regular TMoR poster alt, though. We can agree on that, right? Based on your dupe theory, anyway.

Yes, I agree with you. As I said, their obfuscation was laughable. I don't doubt four a second that a lot of TMOR people have alts here. Many of them seem to be scorned conspiracy users, still pissed they were banned. This sub seems absolutely riddled with alt accounts.

I like how there is a highly upvoted comment on how Trump should "take over Facebook and Twitter," like any self-respecting consiracy theorist would think it's a great idea for the head of a country to take over a private business and a social platform that millions use... as if we were in China.

That place is a little off the rails, IMO. They are making some stretches that are hard to look past.

What is really interesting is that I just read this comment by a different user in TMoR:

Interesting. There's a ton of brand new accounts in there under a week old. I found two that are around a year old but the rest are new.

Going 24 hours a day too. Interesting.

I'm interested in seeing how it develops. Someone is putting a ton of effort into getting it off the ground.

User made a valid point. I suppose I should have used quotation marks.

Good try, lol.

I don't see you refuting the comment. It's pretty damn square on the nose. Shouldn't matter what the source is if the comment seems to be a fact.

I already know why there are so many new accounts there- it was a bunch of 8chan recruits that migrated over specially for that sub.

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Definitely a T_D 2.0

You lost me at "normies".

same here. a 7 year old account that uses that word???

this guy isn't a real user here.

My account is new too does that automatically make me a shill??

one of several friend. ill put my post history against anyone. i'm no shill and i am no bot.

You've been here for 7 years but have so little karma?

Offtopic - Would you be so kind as to explain your comment to me?

Is the amount of karma I have something I should be worried about?

Wait....is "normies" bad? I use it sometimes. What is the preferred term?

Sheeple? Muggles? Zombies? Drones? Clue me in, please.

I prefer the phrase "people who are into different stuff than me"

I can see "normies" as self-aggrandizing, and some of the other terms are worse.

But when things are so corrupt and so many people stick their heads in the sand, "people who are into different stuff than me" sounds a little too....mild.

I can agree with that, perhaps, "the distracted"?

I wish there was a one or two word phrase for "Well-meaning people who are good at heart and just can't imagine the extent of evil that many powerful people pursue to hold on to their controlling paradigm."

Uninformed maybe? I feel you there, I just try and be mindful of what it was like to just go about my day without constantly thinking about the state of the world.

It's not anyone's fault they don't want to wake up. Systems of control and programming are powerful beyond belief. I'm sure most of us on here had an "aha moment" which snapped us out of somnambulance. Usually before hitting an age where we were completely brainwashed.

we were all just uniformed before that.

In some cases it's "willfully uninformed," however. I know many people I've talked to that I've made headway on a LOGICAL front with, admit I'm making sense and the facts back me up, but then recoil and be just like "I don't want to think about it" or "I don't want to live my life in fear."

Thing is: I DON'T live my life in fear. At all.

True, I have met many like that.

When mindfucking people with the truth, best to use a lot of lube and ease it in slowly.

For those afraid, not even worth a label.

Yeah I agree, that comment was stupid.

And I agree with you.

r/conspiracyundone

r/cabaltakedown

Long time lurker my friend. This sub has been lost.

New conspiracy subs are starting to thrive now that whoever decided to destroy this one. Before the last week I never visited any other sub on reddit, now I'm subbed to about 5 others. Congrats mods.

Then of course mod takeover was necessary. Now the narrative can be completely whitewashed and we will never see posts that the mods don’t agree with.

What are you basing this on? You know our mod logs are public right? Perhaps a few examples would be helpful.

New rules being put in place to filter the truth and make it nearly impossible for people to ever get any truth here.

Not what the new rule is for, at all. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean specifically though.

Can you explain to me what's so hard about adding a short explanation of at you're posting? I don't get why people are bitching about this. It seems like only those who want to spam would be outraged. Please provide specific examples of posts that were removed without reason.

I think it’s a good idea but selective enforcement is inevitable/already present so in the end OP is kinda right.

They always could have done that at any time for any reason. A TON of other subs do. I haven't seen it here.

The post right now about Lena Dunham or however you spell it doesn’t have one unless I missed it. You’re right and they do selectively tag posts and remove others the same way so it doesn’t really matter. But now there’s a clearer rule to provide the cover for it.

It really isn’t a big deal because of what you said but the hypocrisy is kinda funny in a sub that’s supposed to be about the open flow of information.

I found it. "Submission Statement: Came across this while researching the Scott Baio thread from earlier today. Maybe this is why she defended Harvey...."

There's proof right there that a submission statement really isn't a big deal. Two sentences passes. This isn't hard.

Cool thanks. Like I said I think it’s a good idea. But with how the mods have clearly demonstrated biases in the past I just think it’s rife for an even easier abuse.

My link post to a video about Russia rocket similar to the space x launch was removed.

mod decided my mission statement was " half assed"

How does this do anything other than make it harder to post or control what is being posted?

It makes it harder for spammers to post, yeah. Now they need to actually include an original statement about why the sub should care about their post instead of just spamming a dozen links per day and never participating in the thread. And now spam bots are completely neutered because they aren't able to come up with original/unique statements for each post. How much harder does adding a couple sentences really make posting for legitimate/honest users? If you can't take 30 seconds to explain why you want to post something then why are you posting it at all?

Why not just let user voting decide what makes it to the front page? Isn’t that the idea behind reddit in the first place?

If you hadn't noticed, voting can be and has been manipulated not just on this sub but across all of reddit. Relying on votes alone was what got us to the place we've been this past year or more, where the entire front page was full of political spam and Donald Trump/Hillary tweets etc. It wasn't working, something needed to be done and this is one idea we had. It's already had a noticeable impact as the amount of spam has been reduced considerably in the last few days and the number of quality self posts has increased.

I agree completely. I've actually taken the effort to write some posts the last couple days because now they won't get lost in a sea of spam and political battleground bait posts.

I've noticed a huge improvement. Great work.

I can't take credit for the idea but I did support it as soon as it was suggested. If you think of any other potential ideas to improve the quality of the sub don't hesitate to let us know.

It is working great and I applaud you guys for finding a solution to help save this sub.

Thanks for the kind words - if you have any other ideas by all means share them because the work to actually save the sub is far from done.

Will do. You guys put in a lot of effort here, I know that can't be easy.

It isn't, but there are times when it's worth it. Seeing the sub returning to pre-election 2016 quality, as it seems to be now, is one of those times.

Seriously.

A vague rule can be very dangerous. Who exactly is it that decides if a submission summary is relevant enough? Are there strict guidelines? Can any mod delete a post because it breaks the rule, or do you guys hold a vote?

I will attest that the rule has increased the quality of posts on the sub, and spam was a big issue. But I can also see the reasoning behind people yelling censorship. Even if the whole of the mod community are upstanding, that doesn't mean they will always be.

It sounds crazy to criticize, but a literacy test was once used to stop black people from voting.

Who exactly is it that decides if a submission summary is relevant enough?

We aren't really deciding if the statement is "relevant" or not, we'll let the userbase and downvotes determine that. The submission statement is meant to explain why the link being submitted is relevant, but the only requirement for the statement itself is that it be original and unique from the OP.

Can any mod delete a post because it breaks the rule, or do you guys hold a vote?

Posts without a statement after 20 minutes are automatically removed, those with a statement stay up. Is that what you mean?

But I can also see the reasoning behind people yelling censorship.

The reasoning behind yelling censorship would be if you were actually seeing censorship. Everyone I see complaining about the rule is just alluding to the idea of censorship but can't demonstrate that any has actually occurred as a result of it. That's the annoying part.

I can see that, as long as the rules are just to have a submission statement then I suppose subjective opinions are not an issue.

Just a thought here.

I'd say that it would be a good idea for the rules to be updated with how long the submission statement must be. Otherwise the shills, spammers, trolls...will post one sentence statements (or copy text from the article) and then cry "MODS ARE EVIL!!11" whenever such a statement is removed (then screenshot those examples and post them in provoking threads...etc.)

Making the rule less ambiguous is important imho. Simply because that would make the provocateurs have less substance to latch on to in posts like this.

They are trying to undermine the credibility of the mod team and thus bring down the sub. By showing that the rules are minimally subject to the interpretation of the mods and stand on their own accord (as much as this is is possible), they will have less opportunity to create discord by making the mods out as some kind of evil shills (and having the community trust the mods is quite important, yet people are so easily persuaded at times in the most inane manner).

On a side note....as I've started checking in more on this sub from CST (in an effort to help improve the quality of the content and because now self-posts have become more visible, so posting is more rewarding), I'm really starting to appreciate what you guys do here. The constant attacks on you, u/axolotl_peyotl, u/JamesColesPardon.... etc. are absolutely everywhere. I never thought it was this bad, but being a mod on this battleground of a sub really must be draining.

I recommend some kind of meditative practice to help deal with this constant barrage of negativity, simply because pushing it down or repressing it only leads to hyper stress and insanity.

If you check the subreddit rules, the other day I added an amendment saying explicitly that submission statements have to be original and can't be copy/pasted. I wrote the same thing in my stickied comment in the linked thread in rule 13 of the sidebar if people were to click that, and if we see people copy/pasting multiple times after being warned we'll ban them.

By showing that the rules are minimally subject to the interpretation of the mods and stand on their own accord (as much as this is is possible)

This is why I don't think we want a strict limit for length/quality of submission statement. If the user is an obvious troll we can use our discretion and take action based on that, but as long as the statement is unique and demonstrates some understanding of the subject material and why the sub should care about the post that's fine with me. We want the enforcement of the rule to include as little subjectivity as possible, as you said.

I never thought it was this bad, but being a mod on this battleground of a sub really must be draining.

I recommend some kind of meditative practice to help deal with this constant barrage of negativity, simply because pushing it down or repressing it only leads to hyper stress and insanity.

It can be draining for sure, especially in the beginning when you don't know how it works and think you can please everyone. I'm pretty much used to it by now and I have a very happy and fulfilling life away from reddit so I don't really let it get to me much anymore. At the end of the day any negativity here is coming from anonymous internet strangers - not worth getting too upset about. I do appreciate the kind words though for sure.

Thank you for the kind words and your presence.

I hope you and the guys and gals from The Resort continue to make some excursions into the Pit while we continue to harmonize the space.

We're going to need you.

I recommend some kind of meditative practice to help deal with this constant barrage of negativity, simply because pushing it down or repressing it only leads to hyper stress and insanity.

Good call...it used to affect me more but I'm got thicker skin these days.

Meditation/leisure activities certainly help.

HMMM well let's see,

Before this rule was enacted you would pull up the new queue and see a flood of washingtonpost articles about trump-russia and when you clicked 'related discussions' at the top it was a 13k-upvoted post from r/politics, and when you asked what this had to do with conspiracy you'd get an answer "ummm are you serious? the president is about to be impeached??"

And now tumbleweed they're all gone. This is something that I had been campaigning for for months because it was clear that those articles were being posted to create a political power struggle not because people cared about actual conspiracy. And I love how the counter was "well you don't criticize thedonald when they post seth rich/pizza gate". Like are you fucking kidding me? That's a clear slide tactic because it's trying to group baseless trump-russia claims with videos and pictures of satanic rituals, child porn, child rape, and a guy who was disinvited from the white house and killed a few days after he did the dnc leaks

If it were up to reddit they would keep the flood of r/politics users into here and institute mod reform to put in shills and make this another subverted forum. Then you'd get nothing but snopes, cnn, politifact, wapo, nyt and probably some DNC campaigning posts since it would be what the "community" wants

Links to catching share blue shills red handed and people admitting to being a shill?

As long as there is a user submission, the post will will not be taken down.

What is it specifically that you're worried about?

It makes it harder for bots to flood the front page with whatever talking points the_donald is pushing that day.

Never miss an opportunity to turf your agenda do you?

My agenda? I don't trust the government, never have. That's my agenda. Communities that blindly regurgitate talking points as gospel have no place in an arena that is supposed to value critical thinking.

"muh trump"

"muh alt-right"

k.

Thanks for helping solidify my point

Users like yourself are similar to the anti Obama rednecks from the previous 8 years, just the updated millennial version.

Here you go pal. BTW, I'm 41, and not a redneck but was very much against many of Obama's policies.

Did you just discover reddit three weeks ago?

"Yes"

How hard is it to write a script for the bots to make a submission statement? It's like 1 or 2 extra steps

Already been private messaged by a handful of users saying their posts have been removed even with a statement

You mind PMing me those? I'm genuinely curious why they were removed.

We also have public modlogs.

Link for those interested: https://snew.github.io/r/conspiracy/about/log (it's in the side bar at the bottom)

Thanks for the transparency!

I'm not convinced what's going on is for the worse. Seems like there's a lot less crap, but maybe good stuff is getting ax'd too. Watching closely.

I'll endorse u/polkadotgirl and r/conspiracyundone however. The very fact the impotent limp dicks of TMOR go after her so violently is an indicator she must be on the right track.

It has cut down on the junk that is posted from what I can tell.

I also agree r/conspiracyundone is a great alternative and PDG rocks!

Thanks Ian. : )

r/conspiracyundone : prepare for 20% Jesus posts, and 20% the world is a tomato. Other than that, sweet.

A... Tomato?

yes, I used "world is a tomato" to represent, in an attempted humours manner, that there is a regular stream of truly silly claims that make flat earth look like warming-up exercises.

"Tomato" or typo?

I'm cool w/ the Jesus posts, since I'm cool w/ Jesus.

yes, I used "world is a tomato" to represent, in an attempted humours manner, that there is a regular stream of truly silly claims that make flat earth look like warming-up exercises.

This place just won't be the same without you...whoever you are.

I'm sure being a mod here is a real pain in the ass, and this post doesn't do anything to help.

I agree and maybe that was the objective of this post in the first place?

I don't follow you're reasoning. How does requiring a submission statement lead to the mods 'whitewashing' this sub? Can you not shitpost any more, is that what it is?

It doesn't. I barely check in here anymore and didn't know about the new rule, but I did notice that there was a lot less trash at the top last time I came. So I've been coming by more often the last few days. Bullshit Reddit politics aside, it seems to be a good move.

I feel like this post is about shills having to put more effort into earning a paycheck. I don't want to get slapped for calling you a shill. Not exactly what i am doing, I know nothing of your history. It just seems like that to me.

I for one like the new rule. Make the slugs work for it I say. It takes less than a minute to help other users understand submissions better. Maybe if shareblue employees for a union they could better protect themselves from the likes of Brock....thinking out loud.

As much as I do think the mod team here is compromised by various factions, submission statements do seem to have cleared out some of the non conspiracy junk.

Ditto here. I think it's helping personally.

We did too much in 2016. They had to act. It was great while it lasted brothers and sisters. Godspeed to all of you. The New World Order is coming.

I've seen some shitty submission statements on LEFT leaning posts that were left alone by the mods. That's saying something I don't trust anyone not ok with this new rule.

blaming the mod heroes for typical hero failures? lol. try again.

censorship is everywhere. that's the terrain, man. having the expectation that the terrain isn't the terrain is blindness. what's needed is adaptation, if it's someone else's platform. if it's your platform what's needed is Good Design. and at the end of the day, people will abuse things. so...we're always in a state of requiring to handle those edge cases. it isn't going away. blaming the mods for failures that both internal and external pressures will create is like blaming snow for existing. don't blame the snow - use it to ski.

i like how everyone in this thread disagrees that this sub is corrupt and overrun with shills even though it's painfully obvious that it is. It shows the ratio of shills to real users

I agree. Submission statements hinder the community. Shouldn't have to explain the submission, link or otherwise. People now want an easy digestable explanation handed to them in 2 minutes or less. They don't want to dig for themselves. Then instead of reading, they just pick apart everything. Anyone into conspiracies can read between the lines and doesn't want or need it spoonfed.

I think it's a good thing. Your Lena Dunham post is old news, and not even a conspiracy. You just posted a link.

Late, but /r/conspiracyundone

same here. a 7 year old account that uses that word???

this guy isn't a real user here.

I can agree with that, perhaps, "the distracted"?

It isn't, but there are times when it's worth it. Seeing the sub returning to pre-election 2016 quality, as it seems to be now, is one of those times.

I've been tagging them in "green". It's like an evergreen forest in there. I'm curious to see how they spread. They already seem to be trying to start shit in this sub over the new rule.

Ha! I hope it's easier than that by now.

This is another time where I really do hope these people are getting paid because it's so sad if they're not.

Uninformed maybe? I feel you there, I just try and be mindful of what it was like to just go about my day without constantly thinking about the state of the world.

It's not anyone's fault they don't want to wake up. Systems of control and programming are powerful beyond belief. I'm sure most of us on here had an "aha moment" which snapped us out of somnambulance. Usually before hitting an age where we were completely brainwashed.

we were all just uniformed before that.

I can see that, as long as the rules are just to have a submission statement then I suppose subjective opinions are not an issue.

Just a thought here.

I'd say that it would be a good idea for the rules to be updated with how long the submission statement must be. Otherwise the shills, spammers, trolls...will post one sentence statements (or copy text from the article) and then cry "MODS ARE EVIL!!11" whenever such a statement is removed (then screenshot those examples and post them in provoking threads...etc.)

Making the rule less ambiguous is important imho. Simply because that would make the provocateurs have less substance to latch on to in posts like this.

They are trying to undermine the credibility of the mod team and thus bring down the sub. By showing that the rules are minimally subject to the interpretation of the mods and stand on their own accord (as much as this is is possible), they will have less opportunity to create discord by making the mods out as some kind of evil shills (and having the community trust the mods is quite important, yet people are so easily persuaded at times in the most inane manner).

On a side note....as I've started checking in more on this sub from CST (in an effort to help improve the quality of the content and because now self-posts have become more visible, so posting is more rewarding), I'm really starting to appreciate what you guys do here. The constant attacks on you, u/axolotl_peyotl, u/JamesColesPardon.... etc. are absolutely everywhere. I never thought it was this bad, but being a mod on this battleground of a sub really must be draining.

I recommend some kind of meditative practice to help deal with this constant barrage of negativity, simply because pushing it down or repressing it only leads to hyper stress and insanity.

We also have public modlogs.