I did a lot of research on Seths death. Nothing links him to the DNC emails apart from Julian Assange's "winks" and Kim dotcoms fruitless publicity stunts. Rod Wheelers retracted claims and Ed Butowskys flawed "University report".

Seth was likely murdered in a botched robbery, his brother still runs an as yet unfulfilled go fund me campaign to privately find new leads.

My research is in my post history.

Kim dotcom said someone named "panda" used mega upload. He doesn't know who the person was. He delivered nothing. He advertised his new album between posts about Seth.

Assange has never said Seth was the source.

His gf never said he was the source. She spoke to him on the phone just before he was shot.

Officers found him conscious and "quite talkative".

Seths own family have asked people to stop pursing this red herring and instead focus on the real murders, alas, here you are.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html

https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

The fact you're linking to Washington Post is precisely what I mean.

Attack the source, not the argument. This is your first give away.

The rapid automated downvoting isn't stopping this or changing it, it's only proving the levels of desperation involved in trying to wash out Seth Rich.

Implied victimisation of your view point. Appealing to emotion of other readers. Strike two.

Donna Brazille. Do you have some clever corporate media link explaining her statements? Her fears of winding up like him? WikiLeaks all but confirming it? And unlike the Corporate media you are trying repeatedly to make us read, WikiLeaks has an accuracy rate of 100 percent

Random whataboutism barely linked to reality.

Strike three, you're out.

The rapid automated downvoting isn't stopping this or changing it, it's only proving the levels of desperation involved in trying to wash out Seth Rich.

Why am I being downvoted? Is it because my argument doesn't hold water? Because I'm using whataboutism to dismiss evidence againt the incumbent in favour of a very sketchy alternative argument with almost no supporting evidence? Nope can't be that must be a librul, shill conspiracy. It's literally the only answer.

Podesta works for the post and the podesta group has close ties with the paper. So attacking the sourse is applicable in this instance.

Why are you here?

And who is up voting their comments? Seems like a much higher than usual upvote/downvote counts in favor of the government’s position.

In the Platonic sense?

The rapid automated downvoting isn't stopping this or changing it, it's only proving the levels of desperation involved in trying to wash out Seth Rich.

Why am I being downvoted? Is it because my argument doesn't hold water? Because I'm using whataboutism to dismiss evidence againt the incumbent in favour of a very sketchy alternative argument with almost no supporting evidence? Nope can't be that must be a librul, shill conspiracy. It's literally the only answer.

Donna Brazile:

“Only to [her friend] Elaine could I say that I felt some responsibility for Seth Rich’s death. I didn’t bring him into the DNC, but I helped keep him there working on voting rights,” she wrote. “With all I knew now about the Russians’ hacking, I could not help but wonder if they had played some part in his unsolved murder. Besides that, racial tensions were high that summer and I worried that he was murdered for being white on the wrong side of town.”

Copy and paste it to read it from whatever source you want.

Who was he hanging out with that night?

Awan

And his brothers, I am sure that I don't need to explain the relationship between Awan, and the DNC.

I feel like their is a paid shill reddit force that spends its time in /r/conspiracy debating anything and everything anti DNC

Why are you lying?

Who is lying kid?

You?

Guess you didn't look into it. That's ok. Why don't you Google something before calling them a liar.

The reason I'm confidently calling you a liar is because I have looked into it.

Please show me your evidence that Seth Rich was with Awan because I know for a fact he wasn't.

I guess we have not seen the same things. Please show me yours.

You have no evidence. Simply admit you were wrong and move on.

You have no evidence. Simply admit you were wrong and move on.

The person you are arguing with is clearly agenda driven. Almost every day this week Ive encountered someone on this sub using MSM as their argument.

accuracy rate of 100 percent

there it is!

Don't let those shills get to you, they're organized and they have ready made talking points. The fact that you're being attacked so rigorously is the best evidence that Rich was the leaker. Keep fighting.

Well you must be a pedophile,because you rigourously will fight it.

Besr evidence you are one!

Keep fucking!

Judging by the way you type, you must be a gay little kid. Sorry little buddy, I'm not into that shit. You should try David Brock or John Podesta.

See, best evidence I am right is you defending it. Why do you shill?!

I don't shill. I'm a patriot and I believe in the conspiratorial view of history, because (IMO)it's the one best supported by the evidence. If I were a shill I would be on SJW or MSM platform shitting on everything people post there. Because, I am not a shill, I don't even know what platform one would frequent for the promulgation of SJW or MSM ideas. Normal people don't do that. Maybe you just like shitting on people's ideas, but I find it much more likely that you're one of many people that organizations like Media Matters employs to "embolden anti-Trump" people. You see, this was at one time, a conspiracy subreddit.

You are a 38 day old account which username is a reference to common Trump rhetoric from the campaign days.

without checking your post history since I am on mobile: td and conspiracy exclusive?

🤔🤔🤔

Meanwhile my account is nearly 4 or 5 years old and posts in every fucking sub there is and you accuse ME of shilling? Nice deflection, but sorry vlad, no heating this week, try another account next time.

Right. New account. I actually have a lot of disdain for society's growing and almost complete dependence on technology. I also have a lot of concerns about complex interdependence. After looking at your posts I was actually very impressed by your technological knowledge. You're obviously pretty young and somewhat intelligent. Maybe, instead of playing Pokemon Go and obsessing over your next phone, you should start thinking critically. As modern westerners, we are the most lied to people in the history of the world. And, despite your obvious capability, (based on your many posts) you seem to just gorge yourself on mainstream, materialistic crap. Looking at all the trivial, mindless shit you concern yourself with, I actually started to feel sorry for you. I suggest you turn the Pokemon video games off and re-educate yourself, because (especially in your case), personal freedoms are under attack by the left and the right.

Thanks for the flattery, but since i mostly reddit in my free time about my hobbies, you can figure out why it's mostly mainstream and Pokemon.

And I agree that personal freedoms are under attack left and right, but since I am (as you can figure out by my posts in r/de ) in Germany, I can watch the shit show across the pond with relative ease after the last election. And the most pressuring matter for me is not my personal freedom since that is pretty safe, but how we deal with the past refugee influx, both refugees and retarded scared germans, and the Brexit probably.

How pitiful.

Then why wasn't the FBI allowed to examine the servers? Got a narrative for that one?

The FBI just ran years long investigations into Hillary Clinton because the Republicans were determined to use Benghazi and the email server issues to destroy Hillary's presidential run. There was the Weiner investigation which had nothing to do with Clinton but was used by the right-wing media to paint the campaign as depraved anyway. There were frequent leaks from Republicans in Congress and the FBI New York office to damage her campaign.

They should still have cooperated with the FBI when they found out it was likely Russia who hacked them, but it's not like there weren't reasons for them to be wary, but more importantly the Hillary Clinton campaign turned out to be a bunch io idiots who aren't as streetsmart as they pretended to be.

Nobody is able to answer this...they will say that they got copies of the drives and that is good enough. BS...if you really wanted to find out who hacked your server, you let the FBI have it.

Exactly. And they relied on reports from crowdstrike, who not only falsely laid blame on Russia for another hack around the same time frame: "December 2016, CrowdStrike released a report[22] erroneously concluding that Russia had hacked a Ukrainian artillery app and caused large losses to Ukrainian artillery units via the hack. The app (called ArtOS) is installed on tablet PCs and used for fire-control.[23] Yaroslav Sherstyuk, the developer of the app, called the report "delusional". The International Institute for Strategic Studies, whose data was misused by CrowdStrike to reach the conclusions of the report, rejected CrowdStrike's conclusions of Russian hacking causing losses to Ukrainian artillery units. "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrowdStrike

Then there's the "official report."

"On March 15 that the Department of Homeland Security released just two heavily redacted pages of unclassified information in response to an FOIA request for definitive evidence of Russian election interference allegations. Leopold wrote, “what the agency turned over to us and Ryan Shapiro, a PhD candidate at MIT and a research affiliate at Harvard University, is truly bizarre: a two-page intelligence assessment of the incident, dated Aug. 22, 2016, that contains information DHS culled from the internet. It’s all unclassified — yet DHS covered nearly everything in wide swaths of black ink. Why? Not because it would threaten national security, but because it would reveal the methods DHS uses to gather intelligence, methods that may amount to little more than using Google.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/23/cybersecurity-firm-that-attributed-dnc-hacks-to-russia-may-have-fabricated-russia-hacking-in-ukraine/

And they've also retracted and revised parts of their statement since then: "U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year’s American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/03/something-stinks-crowdstrike-revises-retracts-parts-explosive-russian-hacking-report.html

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Awesome write up.

Someone literally answered it above you, but thanks for your oh-so-compelling contribution

The answer you're referring to basically says Hillary was a victim and for that reason they shouldn't have trusted the FBI

Yep, and whether you personally believe the FBI was right or wrong, or whether you think Hillary was guilty of whatever, it still offers an explanation of why the DNC would resist the FBI probing their servers. It doesn't matter if the FBI was biased, the motivation is that the DNC thought they were biased.

Lol. Keep telling yourself that.

Kim Dotcom is full of shit and used the death of someone to promote his awful self-made album.

He literally posted his 'big news' on the bottom of a web page below his trash music video.

Hr tried to use a phishing email to get access to an email account attached to Seth's, couldn't, and then tried to sell his fatass music video off of the tide of popularity.

It's all recorded in this forum, you can look it up if you like.

Kim Dotcom is not a good source.

Oh did you have evidence that our intelligence agencies are lying that Russia stole those emails? Your evidence is some guy on the internet said so?

That's not how it works. When someone on the internet makes a claim, it's not up to any skeptical people to provide evidence that he's lying. Let's try it out.

I've got a 14 inch penis.

Please provide evidence that I'm lying.

I totally believe you. /s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

That applies 10x to someone with a track record of lying for publicity such as Kim Dotcom.

he literally misspelled Seth Rich as “Setch Rich” in the announcement too

Oh yes, the panda business. Because one account having 'panda' in the name also includes ALL accounts that have panda in the name, because apparently the transitive property, set theory, and a good dose of lead paint as a child.

Uh oh, a misspelling, OP says that is indicative of false information...

Guess this won't be at the top of the_donald.

wait...music album?

Yes, he touted 'special information' about Seth Rich, which you would only be able to find under a youtube of his music video, a hilariously bad early 2000's style thing that involved him faffing about on a yacht.

This is like the time when he said he would come to the US and be questioned as to his special knowledge of the case, but ONLY if they promised he wouldn't be arrested or whatever dumb shit

Just put it online. Why would you need to come to the states to do it?

holy shit why does he have so many songs

I mean he changed his last name to Dotcom. Why ask why?

this sounds like the kind of guy who would have super secret evidence of an international conspiracy

Ooop a post about Russian collusion or the DNC in conspiracy, get the brigadiers ready. The coward appears, once more.

Really, it would have been wittier had he changed his name to Kim.com. First name Kim; last name .com. Still douchey, but wittier.

You still believe Assange?! Do some reading and see for yourself what the real authorities think about the DNC hack:

The Dukes: 7 Years of Russian Cyberespionage

You didn’t do shit. You’ve been a hillary mouthpiece here for a year.

lol nice rebuttal

Removed. Rule 10.

Keep defendin that CTR

Do you think this is a subject that DNC shills would want to discredit?

Shill

You sure are miss-guided.

It would undo the narrative, therefore it isn't discussed in MSM. I'm not very educated in computers and hacking, but wouldn't it be far easier and faster for someone to download those files directly from there source rather than hack from across the world? I think it's highly suspect that Crowdstrike was the only company allowed to look into the hacking. Especially considering their ties to Eric Schmidt, the very recently resigned head of Alphabet Co, parent co of Google, who worked with Clinton's campaign.

Judging by your downvotes, it appears you've pissed someone off

I normally don't buy into the shill narrative of these posts. But. It really does seem like an organized effort to derail anything about Seth Rich, Trump/Russia, pizzagate, and the Clintons.

This sub is so painfully invaded by useful idiots and total shills. Even I say that after denying it for god knows how long. But these subjects are constantly met with downvotes, ridicule, and just plain nonsense. Where's the discussion? Oh yeah. Being derailed by the hired scum of the NWO.

Bingo. This place is absolutely swarming with operatives.

Look at your downvotes it's not even like they're trying lol

They don't have automated responses for that one, lol

What should someone reply to that? Calling everyone who disagrees with you a shill is just a way for you people to dismiss legitimate arguments without actually reading/understanding them.

I agree wholeheartedly, this whole thread is a disgrace.

Shills out in full force today.

It's so obvious, and a bit scary.

I welcome them. It's fun to argue without the post restrictions of other subs.

When people try to discuss it with you you call them shills and useful idiots.

I know! I commented before work this am, come home and find this. Holy shit!

I welcome them. It's fun to argue without the post restrictions of other subs.

It's funny how the main argument against the Trump Russia collusion is "Uhhhh show me the evidence bro." Yet people blindly believe Seth Rich was the source for Wikileaks without a shred of evidence.

This, this, a thousand times this. Also why do the two have to be mutually exclusive. I'd happily believe both parties are corrupt, power hungry murdering bastards. However these partisan politics mean there is an incredible drive to besmirch one side and paint the other as blameless, which seems pretty bloody unlikely.

Imagine being the parents of the 500+ other still unsolved murders in DC. Not a single ounce of effort by “internet investigators” to shine light or raise awareness for those

You've made me go from mildly angry to quite sad, well done.

Seymour Hersh claims Seth Rich was in contact with Wikileaks

HERSH: FBI REPORT SHOWS IT WAS SETH RICH, NOT RUSSIANS, WHO GAVE DNC EMAILS TO WIKILEAKS

America First finds suspicious payments that came within 24 hours of both Shaun Lucas and Seth Rich's murders

DNC files were copied, not hacked, 5 days before murder of Seth Rich

Murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich Shared 44,053 Democrat Emails With WikiLeaks

Washington D.C. Police chief, Cathy Lanier, resigned a month after Seth Rich's murder claiming "the city's justice system is broken beyond repair" (reddit link)

"according to the NSA report, Seth Rich said ‘I’ve also shared this box with a couple of friends so if anything happens to me it’s not going to solve your problem.’” – Seymour Hersh

The main stream media conspired to discredit the Seth Rich story in any way possible. Even going as far as pulling advertising on any show that talked about it. And paid commenters/bots here on reddit are still trying to fight this story.

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Yeah, all the "let's blame Russia" people say that it's not a fair criticism to point out there's no evidence to suggest it was Russians?

Ha, ok...

Ever seen Paralax View?

Good movie.

Anyway, it is the firm opinion of this committee that it was Russia and no questions will be taken at this time.

Or the parents of the insanely high rate of missing children in Washington DC that is at near-catastrophic levels.

But it doesn't have anything to do with them changing how they report missing kids. At all. Don't believe the police chief when he says that's why there appears to be such a rise.

the insanely high rate of missing children in Washington DC that is at near-catastrophic levels.

This says its not.

Yes, I was being very sarcastic

Actually no I don't trust the DC Chief of police. That's hilarious.

Even if he weren't where he is, the guy appears to be acquaintances with Alefantis.

Stop trying to normalize Seth Rich’s politically motivated assassination as just another kids face on a milk carton you smug fuck.

The lack of self awareness in this post is outstanding.

The truth always comes out in the wash and I can’t wait to taste your tears soon.

I can't wait for the day you're forced to defend your daddy Trump when he's finally outed as having done something truly heinous in office.

I can't wait for the day you're forced to defend your daddy Trump when he's finally outed as having done something truly heinous in office.

Why, so I can have a little more empathy for what it must be like to have defended Grandma Douchebag for the last two years? 🤔

Criminals from Trump's Administration charged: 4

At least his username labels him as who he is

For sure. It's always nice for everyone to wear their name tags.

Lol, you mean the same way you self-identify when you commies show up to downvote brigade posts about Seth Rich into oblivion?

Aw, look who's triggered now?

I don’t get “triggered,” I shut my monitor off and read a book or go for a walk if the internet is annoying.

I don’t spend my sad existence at a computer screen suppressing topics I don’t like.

I don’t go more than 2-3 levels deep with shitlibs, your minds are compromised and you’re a lost cause/waste of time. Have a nice day.

Sure, sure, tough guy

...Holy shit. Are you for real? "Taste his tears?" And What truth do you know of his? He's A Stranger On The Internet.

Seriously. Get out of your house. Take a walk. This is crazy talk.

Yeah, it's fucking disgusting. And they call YOU the instigator or insinuate that YOU are politically motivated when you call it out. Seth didn't die for this.

A random crack head or street shooting this was not

Let's not try and act like high profile people don't get more attention while those in the lower income or social brackets get ignored

It's easier to believe the leaker, clearly local to DC, was Seth Rich, when it comes from someone with a face and name, versus listening to repeated stories (that wind up retracted) being sourced from Anonymous Intelligence Officials. If they have something on orange-face this shit show would be over with already.

if trump is ‘orange face’, what is obama?

A muslim? /s

hint: black

Correction: Half white.

Half bloodline, half Indonesian, all bought.

Oh how cute someone doesn't realize the Watergate and Clinton investigations went on for over 2 years. It hasn't even been one.

Relax. Enjoy the ride. Keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times.

There was proof in both of those instances lmfao, back to bird law.

Don't know why you are being downvotes.

"The plumbers" were arrested in June 1972 and it was not until may 1974 impeachment proceedings began.

No crimes related to the trump campaign are currently. known to the public are being investigated right now.

This is blatantly false. 4 members of Trump's campaign have been arrested. One specifically for money laundering and not disclosing ties to Russia.

No crimes related to the trump campaign are currently known to the public are being investigated right now.

4 members of Trump's campaign have been arrested. One specifically for money laundering and not disclosing ties to Russia.

Please elucidate how I was wrong.

How is Flynn, a member of the trump campaign, being arrested and pleading guilty, not related to the trump campaign? Or are you saying it's past tense and that since he pleaded guilty it's not being investigated? Because then you're just being pedantic and misleading. Again, another reason you're just a waste of time.

The charge is collusion, what Flynn lied about is not related to collusion.

The real question is why did a career Intel person pie about something so obvious?

A game is being played friend, you just don't see all the moves.

The charge is not collusion. Now you spin, dismiss, pivot, divert. Like I said. This thing pretty well nailed down. By the way, and no point did I say anything about trump. It's amazing how agressive you get about an investigation you claim has no evidence.

The charge has always been Russian collusion by the trump campaign. iIt's amazing how easily some are fooled into thinking otherwise.

Flynn lied to FBI because he got caught talking to Russian ambassador about Trump lifting the sanctions, including ones that Obama added just weeks before he left office. The lifting of the sanctions was part of the quip pro quo of the collusion. Russia would help Trump get elected and Trump would lift the sanctions.

Flynn

Wont be the piece which brings down Trump.

He was arrested and supposedly cooperating a month ago now.

I'll be patiently waiting to hear more.

IDK When Flynn lied to FBI and Yates informed the White House that Flynn was under investigation, Trump responded by making major efforts in stopping the investigation. Trump asked Comey to intervene to let the Flynn issue go but Comey told Trump there were other concerns about Flynn. Then according to Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats, Trump asked him to intervene with Comey. Coats told Trump talking to Comey about the Flynn case was inappropriate. Both of these actions by Trump warrant obstruction of justice charges according to legal analysts. As they said about Watergate scandal, it wasn't the break-in at the DNC headquarters that brought down the Nixon administration, it was the cover up.

It has to be this, because the chain of collusion is very specific, and has been all along. Russia->Wikileaks->Trump. If you've read any actual MSM stories with quotes from the frothing-at-the-mouth accusers, it's always Russia->Wikileaks->Trump. Wikileaks is a key piece of the collusion narrative. Also, everything else has fallen apart. Go back and read some older stories, they'll slosh around implying deep Trump/Russia ties -- but they know they only have a fanfiction dossier to support that. The entire case is R->W->T

If you don't believe me, start reading: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-trump-russia-collusion-wikileaks-20171114-story.html

Why not both being true?

You asking why they have to be mutually exclusive highlights the fact that you know literally nothing about the conspiracy behind his murder.

There are shreds of evidence though...

• DNC refusing to allow FBI to have access to their supposedly hacked servers.

• Seth Rich having been in charge or DNC voter outreach, meaning it would make sense he had access to potential voter fraud/voter purging that we saw all over the country but particular in Brooklyn, for example.

• Julian Assange hinting multiple times that Rich was their source.

Now, you didn’t say proof and none of that is proof. But shreds of evidence methinks it is.

Why would anyone take JAs word about anything at this point? He's been proven to be an arm of the Trump team during the election. Also uses such wheasle words around Seth Rich

The DNC didn't refuse. The FBI had no reason to take the servers. An image provided by Crowdstrike would be literally no different than being at the servers in person.

False. We see through pathetic attempts at character assassination.

How cute you think a system image is enough.

It would be the first time in history the fbi didn't seize evidence of a crime. Or it might not have been. But those were usually for cover-ups right?

The FBI acted uncharacteristically and that doesn't set off alarms bells?

When it comes to cyber crimes they usually take images. The only time they would seize the servers is is the DNC was the one commiting the crimes. There is literally no reason to be at the physical servers.

FBI acted perfectly consistantly it's this made up standard you guys just came up with that they didn't follow.

FBI acted perfectly consistantly

Except for the part where fbi had no contact with the server or images of the server. All they went on was a statement from crowdstrike.

Crowdstrike gave them an image(not the dnc, because if they did it would have been a picture of the server shot with a polaroid camera)

How cute you think a system image is enough.

How cute you think it's not. It shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You speak facts while everyone else is spinning and down voting. Keep up the good fight. Seth did.

Why would anyone take JAs word about anything at this point?

Because thus far he has shared true and valuable information.

These are the people who viscously attacked the Panama papers because we're upset it reflected badly on daddy Putin. Then there is the whole editing leaks to remove information that does not fit their agenda.

These allegations are tired and lame. No one has successfully challenged the veracity of the DNC or Podesta leaks. And if you can blame JA for not being a fan of the woman who famously suggested he be "droned", then you're off your rocker.

Ah so it's OK for him to a bias arm of the Trump admin as long as he is supporting your guy

full of ree. why don't you pursue truth of things, rather than try to corner Trump or Asange? We still dont even know of Asange is alive. There is much we do not know, so no need to be so vehement about things.

I love that extremely convient narrative that is pushed here.

Assange does something "Good" = Assange and wikileaks are out guys!

Assange gets caught doing something stupid again= Well Assange is actually dead.

2nd sentence is pretty darn agreeable, no matter where you are politically. All depends on what is "good" and what is "stupid", don't it? ;)

Ever since the armed person ell showed up at the embassy, and after which Assange seemed to get quite political as far as his history was concerned, I and many others wondered if he's still alive regardless of what he is saying. So yes, some of us are still sane.

Trump's not my guy. Where on earth did you get that idea?

Ironic that you question allegations while saying

And if you can blame JA for not being a fan of the woman who famously suggested he be "droned"

You do know that's from a Truepundit, not exactly known for being trustworthy, citing an annomynous source that stated she said it 6 years ago. Talk about taking allegations as true.

Aaaaand this is what she said about it:

“I don't recall any joke,” Clinton said, when asked about the allegations at a press conference in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on Tuesday. “It would have been a joke, if it had been said, but I don't recall that.”

Totally convincing. Classic HRC sincerity right there!

What exactly would you like her yo say if she actually doesn't remember. I tell jokes at breakfast I forget by lunch. Some are even offensive

lmao, are you fucking retarded? so much conjecture, and no substance or evidence. Sub is going down the pooper because of people like you.

These are easily researchable facts. Questioning the government and those who attempt to steer a narrative should be the default ideology of this sub. Unquestioning support of the government or a group like wikileaks is bad for the sub and relatively new on this sub.

Now this comment of yours I do agree with. However, I haven't seen any attacking of the Panama papers like you had stated earlier. In general much of what you say and how you say it comes off as someone from r/fucktheAltRight who is incredibly butt-hurt and will latch onto the tiniest detail that shows any part of the Trump administration in a bad light. Definitely seems like you have an axe to grind, and honestly, it's repugnant and annoying.

The Wikileaks documents are true. Assange lies.

Not just that but the actual leaks have been edited. Emails marked classified that weren't. They've omitted text, and shorthanded footage, etc. They preface things in ways that are absolutely dishonest. And they lied about being neutral and impartial every chance they got, especially when it came to the Trump campaign. And they got caught.

Not just that but the actual leaks have been edited.

Do you have a source for that, because it sounds completely incorrect.

I uh, literally just pulled this off the top of google with no fact checking, but at the very least it was a story.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/358662-russia-linked-hacker-edited-leaked-documents-report

Is there a better source than Wikileaks for things governments and corporations don't want us to know? The Hill is an openly biased organization closely aligned with Democrats. JA has far more credibility in my eyes than the Hill, or any other MSM organization.

It’s astonishing that your top zero-fact-checked Google hit from The Hill doesn’t mention the actual fact that Wikileaks boasts an (uncontested) 100% accuracy record for documents released.

Strange that.

EXACTLY! EVERYTHING he has revealed has been 100% factual!

The DNC didn't refuse.

According to Comey's testimony the FBI requested physical access to the servers several times "on different levels" but was refused.

He stated plainly that it would have been "preferable" to have direct access and that that would have provided "the best evidence."

So in other words, the DNC did refuse--and more than once. Which is crazy--especially considering that many feel that Russia sabotaging a US election is tantamount to an act of war. Crazier still is the fact that, considering the far-reaching implications, the FBI didn't just go get a warrant and seize the affected server.

Why would a private org willingly give the FBI access to its server without a warrant?

Oh, I don't know, maybe in the interests of national security?

So you are saying that as long as it is in the interest of “national security” we should allow the government to violate the constitution and search without a warrant? I’m assuming then that you supported the Patriot Act? And the NSA spying done? You know, since it was in he interest of national security.

The lack self awareness of people in this place will never cease to amaze me.

That’s his logic is it not? Why is one more okay than the other?

This is by far the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard in defense of the DNC's incomprehensible refusal to allow FBI direct access to the "hacked" servers. Congratulations! Truly fucking extraordinary mental gymnastics there. 10/10.

Let's see, to recap, a hostile foreign government hacks the servers of a US political party during an election year with the clear intent of sabotaging said party's candidate in favour of a candidate that they've had in their back pocket for years, and the victims of the attack should refuse to cooperate with their country's counterintelligence agency because it would violate their constitutional rights?

Seriously? That's your argument? Please, if I missed anything, let me know.

I'm sure everyone on this subreddit would totally allow the FBI access to whatever they wanted on their own computers and servers.

So what? You have a point you want to make there?

Great way to dodge the question I asked. I’ll ask again, using your logic do you support the Patriot Act and the NSA spying the government did as well? In the name of national security and all.

Didn't answer your question because it is completely unrelated to the current topic of discussion. And stupid. Can't forget stupid.

I can't believe you're getting down votes in the conspiracy subreddit for arguing that a private entity has 4th amendment rights.

Because it was backward logic.

What happened if your house get robbed and you report it to the police? That's right, you SHOW THEM YOUR HOUSE so that they could find evidence, get the robbers and returning the goods for you.

So when the DNC refuse to let the FBI investigate their supposed hacked drive after they've claim that they got hacked, it smelled like they have sth to hide, and it was not anything standard or inconsequential. In fact, I'm willing to bet that there are many more corruption and crime evidence inside that drive that they have to go through Crowdstrike since they could just forge a report and give it to the FBI to not deal with mountains of foul play evidence and lawsuits piling against them.

If my house gets robbed, and I have sensitive information about thousands of people in file drawers in my office, I'm not letting the police in my office.

When it's my property, I'm the one who decides what access the authorities get.

Again, backward logic.

If it just standard stuff, then nobody bats an eye.

If it was "sensitive" information, either: 1. You physically examine with the cop to supervise them, or 2. Tell them to be completely confidential about the content (which they would probably comply)

I'm assure you that with the content of the leak is on the table right now, 75% chance we will find sth even worst than what's on the leak, and could EASILY be criminal act and multi-national crime syndicate evidence and leads, not just sth benign like Hillary got a back issue or stuff like that, and this is a gross underestimation.

Why wouldn't they?

Because WL/JA have never provided false documentation

They have given edited information. Which is no different

Yes they have. For example during their AMA they lied and said they never talked to the Trump campaign, which it turns out they did.

Reread my comment.

He's been proven to be an arm of the Trump team during the election

Source? I hadn't heard this.

Don junior tweeted their conversations. Also Julian all but admitted it on his AMA last year.

He's been proven to be an arm of the Trump team during the election.

Really? Can you provide some links, or is that not part of your programming? In the event you're a real human and not an astroturf profile, I apologize and politely request you do some research. I've never seen any proof that JA was an arm of the Trump team during the election, and would be happy to look at independent, unbiased research (if any exists).

What has he exposed that has been incorrect? NOTHING! And the FACT that the DNC would NOT allow the FBI to do their OWN investigation into the server and instead used a company with DIRECT ties to Clinton's campaign is HIGHLY suspect.

Wise words from the 2-week old account. You might want to do some fact-checking before you post these opinions.

Ok, here’s the thing about Assange. He’s been exposed as having bias towards the Trump campaign, and working with them to attempt to get something he could leak “to appear impartial” with what he leaks. WikiLeaks also said in their AMA they had no contact with the Trump team, we know that to be a lie. So we have to take a pro-Trump bias into accounts here.

We know that DNC emails were hacked, and ended up on WikiLeaks. We know that the intelligence community believes the hacking to be from Russia, and we know Julian Assange also has a pro-Russia bias. So Assange has a motive to make it seem like he got the emails from somewhere else so as to not implicate Russia.

That’s why the Seth Rich thing was pushed so hard by the right despite the biggest players (Butowski, Wheeler, DotCom) outside of Assange essentially destroying their credibility and having their claims retracted, while Assange has made sure not to ever say Seth was the leaker, only hint at it enough to get people to believe it while maintaining plausible deniability. Because the idea is that if we could prove that Seth Rich was the DNC leaker it somehow destroys the Trump/Russia narrative despite the fact that in the six months since the story was pushed heavily, we’ve seen a significant amount of evidence that points towards that narrative having some truth to it, including four arrests of senior officials on the Trump campaign

Your very first statement is patently and provably false. You know this.

source 1

comes with this fancy quote:

“It is the third reason, though, WikiLeaks wrote, that “is the real kicker.” “If we publish them it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality,” WikiLeaks explained. “That means that the vast amount of stuff that we are publishing on Clinton will have much higher impact, because it won’t be perceived as coming from a ‘pro-Trump’ ‘pro-Russia’ source.”

which can also be found in the exchange Trump Jr. tweeted out in one of his classic “I’m showing transparency after getting exposed” moves

source 2 for WikiLeaks lying about it in their AMA

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Ah, the power of context. How easy it is to make a quote appear ominous when using it out of context. How easy indeed...

what would the correct context be? It was in a DM between WikiLeaks and Trump Jr.

how am I misinterpreting it?

Because you’re ignoring the intent. The words I use to attempt to convince someone to do something that is clearly out of their self-interest should not be held against me as if I believe them. What I say to a criminal on death row to get him to tell me where he buried the bodies should never be used against me as if they are my closely held beliefs.

I mean fuck, anyone knows this.

wait, are you claiming that because assange is attempting to show his partiality to trump by attempting to rig a leak of stolen data by a foreign government in a way to make his partiality appear less partial is proof that he is in fact impartial because he's "making it all up to implicate junior"?

is that what you are saying?

lol they try so hard because they need this to be true. mental gymnastics are only good when they appear effortless, these guys seem desperate

I don’t need anything to be true, man. I’m actually a liberal who doesn’t really feel like he has a dog in this fight. Just my opinion on the matter.

Now you're a liberal?

Check my history if you want.

Uh... much simpler than that (wtf): he’s attempting to convince Trump Jr to do something that is clearly against his self-interest. To do that, he has to lie. Idk why you’re taking it as truth. Doesn’t read that way to me.

That they are communicating at all should bother you, in and out of any context. This is just one messaging platform.

Why? I like that they attempted to trick Trump Jr into handing over his father’s tax returns.

So what, in your mind, was the intent of Assange saying that to Trump Jr? That he was pretending to be helping them in order to get info from them? How do you reconcile that with all the times WL asked Trump Jr. to retweet something to give it more visibility and then he did?

Pretty much. What’s wrong with the latter? Also, you realize Wikileaks Twitter account isn’t run by Assange right?

What in the hell was that? Either a troll, or evidence on how salty people are and how badly we need mental health in this nation.

You’re right, Mindhunter is a great example of how badly we need mental heath reform in this nation.

And for your next public humiliation trick is trying to make us cringe harder with playground tactics of...I know you are but what am I?

Trump is such a captain of failure and his sheep are sad.

I agree with your last statement 🤷🏼‍♂️

"I mean fuck, anyone knows this."

Human beings, sure. Not Persona Management Software.

Eeeeeeexactly

He provided a source and the source isn't out of context. You can only claim put of context when the context has a different meaning. This doesn't..

You come here saying false. He proves himself right. You just continue to try to make it out to be false but yet fail to provide any evidence yourself.

Thanks for showing me which side I should put myself on this you really did a lot of good for your side here

Not gonna layout my argument in every fucking thread. Look at other replies.

Wow, actual cited evidence to rebut a claim of "provably false." i.e. fake news.

Why don't you bring your evidence to the table rather than saying it's false? This is so mentally sloth.

Because the accuser has the burden of proof. Not the defense.

He showed you the proof (actual DIRECT messages between junior and assange) but you claimed it's a lack of context.

The president's son is directly communicating with wikileaks about the release of their stolen data via a state actor and you're talking about context.

I’ve already responded in another comment chain. Not repeating myself. Make a few clicks.

OMG...some people literally hate Trump. So annoying. Better to care and search for the truth, rather than searching for confirmations to a bias or theory. You will find what you search for.

A person's 'hate' for trump, or obama, or hillary doesn't change the fact that there are actual emails between them. Do you understand that?

"timstolt1" is just your average American user /s

;) funny guy. I actually grew up home-schooled in northern MN, then went to college (graduated with honors), and now work as a mechanical engineer near San Diego, CA. I'm married to a filipina lady, and have 2 boys. To put some context as to who you are talking with. And I have been on both sides of the fence. So happens I did many hundreds of hours of research after the DNC screwed Sanders (which I don't agree with, but understand why).

We're all trying to figure things out, aren't we? And to make good choices?

I don't understand that??!! Wait wait! ......ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

OMG...some people literally hate Trump. So annoying.

It's pretty annoying how many people practically worship him and will relentlessly defend him against any and all criticism, when in reality the guy doesn't give a fuck about anyone else except himself and (some of) his family.

That's politics. You think anybody in Washington is losing sleep over the average person? They only give us thought every election cycle to secure their career. Meanwhile we're too bombarded with frivolous news (celebrity gossip, drastically simplified news, party politics arguing over largely inconsequential things) to hold people accountable to their promises. We saw it during Obama's term ('our troops will leave the Middle East', drone strikes, drastically increased surveillance, militarization of government departments [BLM needs weapons? The Postal Service needs weapons? Police departments need mine-proof vehicles? The 1033 program 👀]).

Our political system is top-down. Candidates need major party support to stand a chance in the spending war 'ie: election season' which means they must answer to the party's funders. There is a financial barrier that prevents people from moving beyond local politics without picking a team and adopting that team's interests.

except in Trump's case I think he did it because he cares about the future of the country. I truly believe that. He's not a career politician. He's not accepting a salary, and it is yet to be seen if being president will really make him better off. Does anyone remember the boycotts against his hotels? Many idiots are angry over him and I really don't see why. If one didn't watch MSM, and actually looked at what he says and ESP what he does, and the mood he's setting in Washington and for the country, I do think he'll bring about a sense of Progression, responsibility, and increased productivity/wealth to our nation. My take on it anyway, but what do I know, I've only read about this stuff for many hundreds of hours since the DNC fucked Sanders in the primary.

I think he was a step in the right direction, but still not the answer. The greatest thing he's done is force our elites (politicians, celebrities, media personalities, unelected officials) to show their hand by the constant bombardment he received for being an outsider. The treatment he received also opened many eyes to the propaganda machine our media has become.

Trump has the personality where, having already achieved massive wealth, power is the next logical step. The hits he's taking (no salary, boycotts, etc) don't matter because money isn't the prime objective for him anymore. If I had to speculate at his long-term goal I'd suspect it to be transitioning his dynasty to the political realm due to appointing his children to positions (and I'm sure Don Jr is already being groomed for the presidency down the road).

That being said, he's still a tool of Zionism and I don't see the demilitarization of government departments happening during his term. Although he said we'd mind our own business I expect we'll see the perpetual war machine continuing to run smoothly either directed at Muslim extremism or North Korea. War has always been profitable for tptb while also lessening our civil liberties. The pharmaceutical industry will continue to grow/overprescribe and corporate ownership over water will increase as well.

He has his good qualities but much more change is needed beyond what he's capable of. We'll see globalization continue to spread under the guise of increasing our nation's wealth. But he's not the disaster people like to think.

The extent and reality of Zionism in the US, and it's use of the US as a tool has really surprised me over the last year. I used to hear mutterings of oh "anti-semetic" etc, and I had no idea why that was even said as I was never aware of such a thing. But now, after reading more deeply into communism, Bolshevism, WWII and the establishment of the [exclusive] Zionist state in the middle east, as well as the amount of "aid" the US gives to this state....my head is spinning. Can this be reality?

That's why any criticism of it is labeled as 'antisemitism' - it's painfully obvious to anybody that doesn't immediately dismiss the idea. We've been Israel's attack dog for the majority of recent memory, only now to the extent of us 'taking the names' of every nation that didn't vote in favor of Israel with the recent UN resolution (the UN is terrible regardless). So for all the things I like about Trump, I'm not hopeful of him on that front. But, as I said, there's no chance of having the perfect person in office so hopefully he will do the good he's capable of and we can get the Zionism pendulum swinging the other way at a later date. Baby steps!

Most of what you said is not true, and is simply your opinion. Which you have a right to. But I'll tell you, you're wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Esp here on reddit. I would estimate 15% of redditors "adore him", those in the sub dedicated to him the_donald. :)

Even if he did have a bias, it obviously doesn't mean that what he says are lies. US media has a HUGE anti-Trump, and pro-democratic bias, does that mean that EVERYTHING they say is lies? (Though I do believe much of what MSM reports are lies, or very selective to create a narrative. If nothing else, a narrative of how they want the world to be (even if it isn't).

We know that the intelligence community believes the hacking to be from Russia

And we also now know, as per admissions by Russians in court under oath, that they hacked the emails at the direction of the FSB and Putin. Love how the whole "Russia is a nothingburger" side neglects to take this fact into consideration.

We know that DNC emails were hacked

Lie #1.

No proof of this has been made public.

We know that the intelligence community believes the hacking to be from Russia,

Lie #2

The FBI and CIA only state that they have "high confidence" in the assessment, whereas the NSA states they share the same judgement with only "moderate confidence". In either case, according to the ICA, "confidence in a judgement does not imply that the assessment is a fact or a certainty. Such judgements may be wrong."

we know Julian Assange also has a pro-Russia bias

Lie #3

He's never said it, so you're just assuming his known anti-Hillary stance amounts to a pro-Russia stance.

So Assange has a motive to make it seem like he got the emails from somewhere else so as to not implicate Russia.

Lie #4

A deduction based on lies.

Your comment is a load of grade A horseshit. I don't even like Trump, but I can't stand seeing lies like yours spread.

I fucking hate Trump but I fucking hate misinformers like /u/JoeyBulgaria more.

And yet people upvote it anyway because they just hate Trump and want it to be true. That's one of the problems with r/conspiracy. People upvoting anything that supports their own narrative despite something being complete bullshit and offers no evidence of substance.

Newsflash people, you can still hate Trump and realize when infornation is bullshit even if it sounds good to you.. That's just lazy and only contributes further destruction of this sub.

That's one of the problems with r/conspiracy.

I would agree, but also point out that that problem is more or less reddit-wide. People tend to downvote views they disagree with, even when they're supported, thoughtful, and logical.

Yea I agree with that. I just mean because this sub is heavily politicized these days, people are usually on opossing sides instead of thinking logically and something doesn't have to be one or the other.

Here's the thing though: It's not always actual human beings doing the downvoting...

For sure. But my experience on /r/dogs demonstrates that there are indeed lots of organic, apolitical downvoting on this site. Check my controversial comments for reference. Always good for a laugh IMO.

it's almost like real life,eh?

either you haven’t been paying attention or this is the most stunning display of willful ignorance i’ve ever seen

Anyone who needs a source that a bunch of emails were hacked and not leaked is ignorant?

Let's refine what we know for sure, then. We know DNC emails were somehow gotten on Wikileaks. How many different ways could this have happened? What would a leak have involved?

Leaks could happen about 6-12 ways. 1 way for each person who had access. Let us define Subways as the details like thumb drives or vpn's or megaupload accounts that are less significant. As I remember it, Evidence in the DNC leak points to the leak data being pulled from the server of origin at a rate that is not possible over the internet. This suggests the first place this data went in the leak was onto a device like a thumb drive.

Rates not possible over the internet? I can download files much faster than I can copy drive tho drive on all media aside from ssd. That's on 50/20 residential service, a business circuit with a sla is going to be faster.

I agree that it's not conclusive that it's non-internet. It's weird to have such large volume transmitted with no one noticing, but the DNC is probably incompetent, so no surprise there. I just wonder if there's any evidence it was 100% a hack, hell, any percent it was a hack. It seems equally possible for it to be a hack or a leak. I'd need some kind of backing to believe either one, and right now the only hints available are that Assange offered tons of money for anything catching Rich's killers, and used him as an example of what leakers put themselves at risk of while hinting strongly that he died because he was a source.

Meanwhile, the evidence it was a hack is news reports stating that an anonymous conglomerate of agencies said it was a hack, even though the DNC declined to allow their servers to be analyzed in any capacity. We're just taking their word, and the intelligence agencies were taking their word. Essentially this is a hearsay based everything.

Go back and read what they said the transfer speed was, because it's well within (like 30% of) what gigabit fiber can do.

Not true. Uploading to Romania is not the same as direct to ISP upload or download. 22.7 Mb/ second average over 87 second duration upload around the world is at least somewhat unlikely.

Right back at you, slim.

It's impossible to win an argument with Persona Management Software because this version seems to be programmed to disagree with you and be insulting.

lmao did i just get called a bot by a 10 day old account! ouch. i really don’t know how to prove i’m not lol, would u please enlighten me on how to know if someone is a bot so i can come off less robotic? or actually i guess if u think i’m a bit you wouldn’t want to give me those tips. would a bot be able to implement advice from a comment? whatever lmao just check my comment and post history i guess

BEEP BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP

I'm speaking generally and not singling you out specifically. Being able to tell the difference can be difficult, but not impossible. Think of a bayesian spam filter. You feed it lots of examples of "known spam": To train the filter, the user must manually indicate whether a new email is spam or not. For all words in each training email, the filter will adjust the probabilities that each word will appear in spam or legitimate email in its database.

There are many different data points that one can use to determine the probability of whether a post was made by a computer or user, one is looking at the IP addresses users are connecting from over a given period of time and correlating those IPs with blocklists and other metadata existing elsewhere to make a determination on whether or not the profile in question is human or not, and from there looking at other things (history, how often the profile posts, where, how big are the posts, does the profile just argue and poke at everyone or is there evidence of intelligent discourse?

And no, an astroturfing profile would not be able to implement advice from a comment. It functions depend entirely on it's configuration in the Persona Management Software framework it's running on.

Lol at anyone taking the word of a spy agency.

He’s been exposed as having bias towards the Trump campaign

Yeah, no, that was a deceptively edited message that made him look like that. Exactly what Veritas has been caught doing.

How was it deceptively edited?

https://www.newsmax.com/Politics/leaks-wikileaks-emails-donald-trump-jr/2017/11/13/id/825902/

Assange wants to undermine US hegemony... he saw Trump as undermining US hegemony.

He also fanatically hates Hilary... maybe issues with women or cause she joked about drone striking his ass...

His isn't impartial, and has interviews where he indicated to he contrary. Why do people still not believe hat intentionally or not, Assange was more than a willing conduit for anything that could harm Hilary... even if it was doctored or from a source with an agenda?

I win the "where's Robbie Mook?" mystery for today

no, the intelligence community does not believe russia hacked them. a small group agents hand picked by notorious liar and russophobe james clapper asserted without evidence that russia did it. to this day they havent produced any evidence

You can take a pro-Trump bias into account if you want, doesn't change the FACT that everything exposed by WikiLeaks has been 100% TRUTH. The intelligence communities were not the ones who claimed Russian hacking of the DNC servers. The DNC would NOT allow anyone but Crowdstrike look at them. Which is highly suspect in its own right. So your incorrect there my friend. And Assange only hinted at it being Seth because he never reveals his anonymous sources. It wasn't for fear of his credibility being slandered. And finally this isn't a right wing thing. I'm hardly a right winger. I was 100% all in on Bernie. Then when he didn't get the nom I was #withher. Unfortunately the DNC leaks came out and I found out exactly how important my vote was to a few with power and connections. Which is a HUGE deal! That got me looking at other stuff which led me down this path. And I gotta tell ya, the way this post was down voted and the comments from cats like you 100% affirm to me that there's some meat to this story and there are some powerful people trying desperately to spin the narrative.

DNC refusing to allow FBI to have access to their supposedly hacked servers.

Not true according to Donna Brazille, who claimed in her new book that the DNC --- then headed by Debbie Wasserman Schultz, in conjunction with a DNC cyber attorney and the private internet security company Crowd Strike at the time assisted by a former #3 man at the FBI --- "provided the FBI with everything they requested" cooperated fully with ALL of the FBI's requests. Here's a link to her Nov 2017 interview with Tucker Carlson:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/08/tucker_carlson_vs_donna_brazile_on_dnc_servers_why_didnt_dnc_turn_everything_over_to_fbi.html

Why in the hell would Donna Brazille be a credible, trustworthy source on this?

Comey has at least confirmed that Crowd Strike shared their analysis with the FBI, although not the actual servers (CBSNews). That's probably what Brazille was alluding to.

In any case, you'll find a rundown here (AboveTopSecret) of various reports:

• about CrowdStrike's contract with the FBI during the same time period that they were investigating the DNC servers

• about CrowdStrike Senior VP/Chief Risk Ofcr/Gen Counsel, Steven Chabinsky, who was also serving on Obama's Commission on Enhancing National Cybersecurity in 2016 and still serves there under Trump (NIST.gov)

• about Google's $100M investment in CrowdStrike.

CrowdStrike has also employed former FBI cyber-crime expert Shawn Henry since 2012 (CBSNews), so it's no big stretch of the imagination that there was some form of coordinated effort there.

That’s the entire point. They shouldn’t be taking secondhand analysis from anyone.

If CrowdStrike is contracted to work for the FBI, then it isn't second-hand analysis, but outsourced analysis. For example, Snowden was working directly for Booz Allen Hamilton who was in turn contracting / outsourcing for the NSA when Snowden stole all those top secret files.

Crowdstrike was hired by the DNC. Regardless of whether or not they had done contracting work for the FBI, there is no reason to not attempt to confirm their analysis. It’s fishy, at best, that the DNC has yet to allow anyone else access to their servers.

Fishy, indeed...particularly the wording..."DNC has yet to allow". How is it that the DNC was allowed to not submit the servers? I don't recall Comey ever explaining this?

There is no way to explain that where it doesn’t sound fishy as fuck.

It's their property, that's how.

Since when has it been abnormal to confiscate property in an investigation? If the FBI suspects a federal crime and needs forensic evidence, then they will come and take your car or guns or computers and mobile phones or whatever they want.

It seems as if somebody (Obama? Lynch?) told Comey to stand down and let the DNC do their own due diligence...by a neutral party (CrowdStrike) acceptable to both. Then the FBI nerds either agreed with the analysis from CrowdStrike or not. Nobody is talking about that because no one ever asks the right questions. It's either shallow or softball questions from every committee, even from the opposition. They save the serious stuff for closed-door meetings.

What if they don't need your property and your property plays a significant informal but easily recognized role US presidential elections and it's the middle of a US election campaign?

Seizing data from political parties should be and no doubt is avoided if doing so isn't essential to an investigation.

Damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Imo, not confiscating DNC servers came at a higher price. Now only CrowdStrike can be sure what really happened there...and perhaps the DNC...but not the People.

Well what she said in her book about Seth Rich is apparently credible enough, so you can’t pick and choose therefore she must also be credible when it comes to this.

I’ve never quoted her in regards to Seth Rich. Don’t lump people together just because it’s convenient for your argument.

In Comey's under-oath testimony he stated that the FBI requested direct access to the affected server several times "on different levels" but was refused.

So we're going to go with Brazille's book over Comey's sworn statements?

No, but Comey nevertheless admitted FBI worked with CrowdStrike and shared analysis, although not access to servers. What he didn't tell us was that CrowdStrike was under contract with the FBI and DNC at the same time.

https://medium.com/theyoungturks/crowdstrike-the-dncs-security-firm-was-under-contract-with-the-fbi-c6f884c34189

That's super interesting. I totally did not know that at all! Not too sure what your point is exactly, but I really appreciate the new info.

Crowdstrike gave the FBI digital forensic images of the DNC servers, so THEY were the ones who gave the fbi everything they asked for, not the dnc.

So what?

The servers may have been accessed under secret warrants and we wouldn’t know. Especially if it was handled as foreign espionage investigation via the CIA.

Seth is 99% the source. The method the files got to WL may include other parties which may have obtained the files via a hack (of Seth) or by taking them off his person via a hit.

Julian may believed was Seth because they were in communication but he could have been impersonated by that third party.

All evidence is circumstantial and could support the DNC or Russian operatives.

"potential voter fraud/voter purging that we saw all over the country but particular in Brooklyn, for example."

How's that presidential voter fraud council coming?

Gonna need to elaborate, buddy.

I'm asking you to. the president himself convened a commission to investigate voter fraud almost a year ago. any word on how that's going?

You could write to Mike Pence or the Commission or backhandedly ask a random redditor.

One is a legitinate attempt to get answers - the other is jusy poor arguments and poor form.

you are the one claiming voter fraud 'all over the country but particular in Brooklyn'.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=J4hGWuriC6rPjwTemrrQBw&q=brooklyn+democratic+primary+voter+fraud&oq=brooklyn+democratic+primary+voter+fraud&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3...4074.19904.0.20127.44.40.4.18.18.0.178.4924.1j38.40.0..2..0...1.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..0.40.2963.0..0j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1j30i10k1.83.gexyXt2CI0M

Then ask ToozManyCookz?

Until now, writing to Pence or the Presidential Advisory Commission on Electoral Integrity (PACEI) has proven fruitless even for some members of the commission. However, a DC federal judge has recently ordered that Pence and PACEI “provide plaintiff [PACEI Commissioner and Secretary of State of Maine, Matthew Munlap] with these documents and any similar documents that exist now or in the future.”

http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20171227/NEWS06/171229539

Why would I be able to help then?

Not sure why you chose the "I" pronoun there, as u/Honkadoo was addressing u/TooManyCookz. And I don't think he was asking for help either. Reads like he was just stating the obvious (sarcastically or not). Nobody has heard anything from PACEI in the past months...until now.

Because you don't have reading comprehension skills, I guess.

Lol, not worth a reply.

xe replied.

Idk, I’m not a Trump supporter so...

Ok. But you claimed voter fraud all over the country. Where are you getting that info from?

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=J4hGWuriC6rPjwTemrrQBw&q=brooklyn+democratic+primary+voter+fraud&oq=brooklyn+democratic+primary+voter+fraud&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3...4074.19904.0.20127.44.40.4.18.18.0.178.4924.1j38.40.0..2..0...1.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..0.40.2963.0..0j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1j30i10k1.83.gexyXt2CI0M

They are investigating people that vote when they aren’t supposed to (illegal immigrants, felons, people living out of state, dead people, etc...), you’re talking about election fraud, which is when votes are tampered with, destroyed, faked or hacked by actors within the election system.

Trump is only looking for people that voted that shouldn’t have, not votes that weren’t counted or people that weren’t permitted to vote when they should have been.

DNC voter outreach, meaning it would make sense he had access to potential voter fraud/voter purging

That's not the same thing at all! States do the purging, not the parties.

Oh we have plenty of evidence that doesn’t satisfy political hacks on the left.

And yet you fail to provide any of it.

22mb/per sec buds

Quit speaking as if you know anything about the subject.

22 mb/s is not the speed the data was exfiled at. 22 MB/s is. Capitalization is important. 8 bits in a Byte.

22 MB/s is too fast for a link between Romania and the US, but no Romanian hacker is going to attack a system directly. They are going to use a proxy server, usually rented anonymously at a bulletproof hosting company, in country, so as not to arise suspicion. Any network admin worth their salt is going to geo-block Romania unless they do business with Romanians.

22 MB/s is in no way too fast for a US to US connection. Here you go - 11 Bucks a month and 3x the speed used to download the data.

22mb that doesn't deviate huh, big ole flat transfer rate.

AKA local transfer

The way they got 22.7 MB (capitalization matters) is by dividing the size of the file downloaded by the time the operation took. There is no forensic evidence left behind indicating what the transfer rate is moment by moment.

I would also like to add, metadata on files is one of the easiest things to change. That reason is why the Right like to question whether hacks into US systems were actually perpetrated by the Russians or just made to look like they were perpetrated by Russians.

Unless you have some other evidence that you want to share as to the fact that the transfer rate was steady, you are mistaken.

It's funny how the main argument against Seth Rich is "uhhhh show me the evidence bro." Yet people blindly believe Russia was the source of Donald Trump's victory without a shred of evidence.

His campaign manager was working for a pro-Russian political party before coming to Trump campaign. That alone is suspicious as hell. Then theres all the people that lied about having contacts with Russians during the campaign, including ommitting these meetings from security clearance forms. Then you have Trumps son-in-law trying to set up private lines of communication in the Russian embassy to bypass US Intel agencies. Add in Flynn not disclosing he was paid by Russia and him being exposed for telling the Russian Ambassador that the Trump admin wouldn't enforce sanctions. Top that off with Facebook, Twitter, and Google all testifying before congress verifying Russian cyber meddling. And thats still leaving out a ton.

Zero evidence lol

Wikileaks doesn’t out living sources. If Seth had a dead mans switch, then the person who actually dropped the info is very much alive and wiki leaks shouldn’t unmask them.

Assange has hinted at Rich being the source for a long time.

Which directly goes against wiki leaks "morals" and gives evidence of Assanges other ambitions.

No it doesn't. Giving away the source would be against said morals. Hinting at it doesn't. Especially in these circumstances when it's possible a source may have been killed.

The only reason wikileaks doesn't elaborate on Rich is because people would say away from giving them information.

But assange INSISTED he didnt know the source of those leaks so how could he hint at the source if he doesnt even know the source?

Umm there is little harm in giving up a dead source.

I’ve heard that the emails were obtained locally (that this can be determined from the emails that were given to Wikileaks) so if that’s true then it narrows a lot of options

You "heard." Ok. Well that settles it.

https://youtu.be/6glz4Xluby8

The evidence that favors Seth Rich/leak over Russia/hack are the transfer speeds from the Crowdstrike report (consistent w local flash drive download and not over internet.) No link but check out Bill Binney on Jimmy Dore Show) and Julian Assange’s own words regarding sources, state actors and the risks sources take.

Also, DNC not allowing FBI to examine server is crazy.

Its not just crazy - its proof they weren't hacked.

By not allowing FBI to examine evidence?

Transfer speeds don't prove anything, because there is no evidence the final transfer before posting was directly from the dnc servers, if it was downloaded to a machine in russia or wherever, and then transferred to a flash drive, the data would appear the same way.

Crowdstrike gave the FBI a forensic image of the dnc server, that is an industry standard of being just as good as the physical device, which unless they were investigating physical tampering, they didnt need.

Good point they should be treated the same...oh wait one is being investigated by a special council and covered 24/7 on every major news network (without a single solid peice of evidence after a year of intense scrutiny)...and one is not.

https://youtu.be/Kp7FkLBRpKg why mention Seth Rich specifically?

In both cases, perhaps the single most suspicious thing about the "official narrative" is the withholding of evidence, though.

There hasn't been a single update about the Seth Rich investigation since Police Chief Cathy Lanier resigned the month after the murder. She had been updating the public regularly, and said it was possible it was a botched robbery, but that they couldn't say for sure. Then Wikileaks offered a reward, she resigned, and was never heard from again about the case. Her successor has never publicly commented on it in well over a year, despite all the media attention. That's weird.

We know that according to Aaron Rich, the EMTs said Seth was "very aware, very talkative" on the scene, and we know from the police report that three of the cops on the scene were wearing body cams. And yet we've never been told a single word about what he actually said. That's weird. If he said something like "these guys tried to rob me, but I fought back!", that would go a long way toward settling doubts. But instead of providing any evidence, they rely instead on shaming people for even bringing it up.

Then with "Russian hacking", according to people like Edward Snowden, if Russia hacked the DNC, the NSA could absolutely prove it, without disclosing any sources/methods that aren't already public knowledge. That lack of evidence itself is very suspicious. As is the DNC's refusal to let the FBI inspect their servers, CrowdStrike's "declining an invitation" to testify under oath about their findings, and a multitude of other factors. They are obviously hiding something.

There's also plenty of evidence contradicting the official narratives, like Guccifer 2.0's deliberately planted Russian fingerprints suggesting intent to implicate Russia, and the claims of credible people like Craig Murray and Seymour Hersh regarding how WikiLeaks got the material, but rather than going into all that, I just wanted to point out that the lack of evidence itself is a big red flag in both cases, precisely because evidence that should exist to support the official narratives is conspicuously lacking.

"Uhhhh show me the evidence bro."

Your use of the words "uhhhh" and "bro" indicate that you don't believe that presenting evidence is important when making an allegation.That's a pretty mandatory requirement for any allegation.

Uhh but there is evidence bro. And it's been shown over and over again. You people just don't read.

whoosh

So 20 current and former George Washington University forensic-psychology graduate students and instructors put together an 83-page report on Seth Rich's murder. The report states that Rich’s July 2016 “death does not appear to be a random homicide” or “a robbery gone bad,” as police had suggested. Instead, the report says, the “death was more likely committed by a hired killer."

As for the conspiracy theories, the Profiling Project says those are unfounded, given that Rich did not die immediately at the scene: “A professional killer, whose sole job would have been to terminate Seth, did not accomplish their mission prior to escaping.”

“If this were a professional hit person, they failed,” says Doherty, the team member. “Nothing we’ve seen supports [the theory of] an assassin.”

Convenient he suffered a critical wound but died hours later so it wouldn't look like a political hit but a robbery. Furthermore the semantics of "assassin" and "hired serial killer" is petty.

If only the DNC put half the effort into winning elections that it would require to keep so many people quiet.

They do when winning elections involves keeping people quiet.

It's also not like the email leak is the main connection between trump and the Russians.

So you are believing the narrative pushed by the liberal and government controlled media instead?

I cant make "Hahahahahah" large enough to reflect my feelings

I mean, Julian Assange has implied many times who gave him John Podesta's emails...you deny the evidence, sir/ma'am.

Hes also said he had no idea who gave him the leaks. So hes lying.

There's actually a lot of evidence but due to party loyalty, you won't even take a look.

Um, Wikileaks all but admited they got the emails from Seth Rich and put up a reward.

How much $ has the DNC put up to catch "the Russians" or seth rich's killer?

We have the head of Wikileaks heavily implying in an interview.

Wikileaks never reveals sources.

So far, hasn't been wrong either.

No one denies the authenticity of the emails.

Leaked, hacked, whatever. Who cares? Clinton and the DNC literally stole the nomination. That's the point of this. To argue over how it got out is just misdirection.

Well that's why they're both conspiracy theories

Some people say Seth was murdered by the Russians to give them cover over the DNC hacks

https://forward.com/fast-forward/364499/was-russia-behind-mystery-murder-of-dnc-worker-seth-rich/

Just as much evidence as OP was spewing.

flip a coin OP. Here's a competing conspiracy that aligns perfectly with all of your circumstantial winking.

OPs coin may have Hillary on one side and Obama on the other and "In Trump We Trust" on both sides.

So even with podesta saying that they should make a "example out of leakers"

isn't that the guy who got Clinton and Trump the f*** children?

"making an example" was not hiring someone onto the campaign. do you think anyone that uses that phrase is murdering people?

This is totally plausible. Maybe he was even robbed of a large thumb drive ...

No it's not plausible. Russia doesn't assassinate members of one of our top two political parties. If they got caught it would open them up to reprisal. There are rules in intelligence between the big players

This is the reason you think it’s unlikely? Assassination etiquette?

I think it makes less sense for the DNC to knock off someone who might have a deadman switch or already have passed the info. That makes no sense.

It does make sense for Russia to assassinate Seth to get a stick with the data or the encryption key to unlock said data for WL.

It's an interesting theory but it doesn't explain how this case showed so many signs of being covered up instead of investigated by the Capital Police.

About one third of all murder cases go unsolved. Truth is a lot of cases are mishandled due to lack of man power and too much work load. They have cases where all they have to do is test DNA kits and they can't because of budget issues.

Yea but this one is different and a special case considering the implications of what he may have done and who the killers could be. The police told his parents that they had video of who they thought were his murderers but they never released it to them or the public. They never released many details of this. If they truly wanted to solve it, wouldn't they release it and ask the public for tips/help solving it? Especially considering the public interest in this, it makes no sense.

I think this went into the cold case files as fast as they could put it there..

They have asked for tips since day one. Unfortunately i'm sure they get flooded by people phoning in speculation. They are offering 25k as a reward to help solve the case, they are working with the family to get leads. What more can they do? Dedicate a team of officers to hunt down leads online from people pushing a narrative without a shread of evidence? Wikileaks could talk to them, prove he was the leaker, while still maintaining their reputation.

A case goes cold without leads. Again, 1/3 of all cases go cold. That is a HUGE number.

I think this case purposely went cold the day he died. It was well over a year ago and it looks like it's arctic cold now as far as the DC Police are concerned.

What more could they have done? Release the surveillance tape they told the parents that could have his murderers in it. Release the body cam footage of the responding officers. They said Seth was responsive and talking, what did he say? Wouldn't the first question they would ask be what happened and by who, what did Seth say?

They did none of this and more questionable things, which makes it look like a cover up to his murder instead of an honest investigation..

They had bad black and white footage of the FEET of who they thought were the killers, it was a camera from across the street and most of it was blocked except the feet, and seth hitting the ground afterwards. if theres nothing identifying in it, it would cause more harm than good to release it

How do you know? Did you see it? Maybe someone could have regonized them by the shoes or pants they wore that night..

given that it was from across the street and 90% cut off of what we were trying to see, i can't imagine it gave a very detailed image of the shoes. Sure if the shoes/pants were identifiable it should be released, but if all you can get from it is "black shoes and black pants" releasing it wouldn't lead to anything productive. I'm just saying why the police would possibly not release that tape if all it showed was a person dying and no actual evidence.(i believe in dc the family has the right to release the tape and other evidence in the case such as the autopsy report but choose not to)

How do you know that's the case and are so sure of it? It's probably too late now but seems irresponsible at best to not have released it. His murder is still unsolved and I'm not buying the 'botched robbery' angle.

I've seen really grainy tape of corner store robberies on the news where you could only make out the figure of the person and nobody was shot or killed in those cases.

grainy corner store robberies still give you the gender, race, build, etc, or even if you cant make out the clothing perfectly you could say "that looks like the same outfit steve has!" its a different ballpark than shoes from across the street.

Again, I havent seen it though I have seen it said by them what was in it, I'm just saying why they would not release it even when the case is cold, because if it doesn't actually have anything discernable in it all it would do is upset the family to release it.

I post this to the DC Police Twitter page at least once a week.

@DCPoliceDept @wikileaks @DNC @FBI DC Police...Why and who told to stand down on the Seth Rich case?

And why do you think they would reply to it?

Might as well at least make it grammatically correct you globehead

Globehead?

You realize this is an even sillier conspiracy theory than simply acknowledging that it makes sense to kill a leaker, right?

in what fucking world does it make sense to kill a leaker? definitely not this one. maybe you would kill a leaker that’s known to potentially leak, but in this scenario the murder would’ve been retaliatory, not preventative. in the scenario, seth rich would already have given the emails to wikileaks, so killing him would do nothing but expose a professional hit man job being covered up as a robbery. and even if you thought they would be dumb enough to do that, you really think they would hire some homeless person off the street to conduct an assassination that could potentially expose the entire fucking DNC? No chance in fucking hell. they would have hired the most professional hit man and paid him millions of dollars. And that hitman would have made sure everything was clean cut. What professional hitman sets up a fake robbery and forgets the actual robbery part?

It just doesn’t make any sense. At all. It was clearly an actual robbery gone wrong, considering crime in the area it happened was actually going on.

To your first statement: not really. It’s entirely possible he had more. It’s entirely possible he only sent a small portion of what he had as proof that he had more. His position at the DNC would indicate he had other material as nothing in the leaks related directly to voter outreach or trouble therein.

This doesnt compute. Theres been a dedicated effort by the DNC, the media and other powerful people, the DC police/mayor to shut down any talk about investigating the murder at all.

If the DNC or Hillary or anyone thought for one minute that the Russians murdered Seth they would have been on this story the minute it actually occurred and tried to blame it on the Russians.

The hands off, the completely hands off approach everyone has taken to it, the fact we dont even have the most basic of facts tells me his murder will reveal some disturbing truth when actually uncovered.

The DC police have done absolutely nothing to investigate this case

It also doesnt explain why Julian and WL would cover for the Russians.

If Seth Rich leaked the emails to WL, the Russians wouldn't kill Seth Rich, that makes no sense,

Sure they would if the Russians obtained the files from Seth covertly or by taking them from him. They would plug the leak the same way as others claim the DNC did. Then just drop them to WL under the guise of bring Seth then they are in the clear. WL thinks it was Seth and the DNC is the patsy.

Why would Seth Rich turn over anything to the Russians? The guy seems like a patriot if you look at his history. It makes more sense he would turn it over to wikileaks. This is why wikileaks out a reward for solving his murder.

I didn’t say he turned it over to Russians only that it could have been taken from him by force or by hack and transferred under false pretenses to WL.

Then why would they need to murder him?

If taken by hack, why is murder involved? makes no sense.

If someone like a Russian intelligence outfit wanted to get it to leak it to WL, they would have taken it without anyone even knowing or just broken into the a DNC office and taken what they wanted.

You wouldn't need one lowly employee to scare and then kill.

If that employee (Seth) was suddenly aware that the contacts he was dealing with to get paid for his insider information were actually Russians. He may have turned to the FBI or was about to so they moved on him to obtain encryption information or the data itself. I do think Seth was a patriot that was disillusioned with the DNC but he may have had second thoughts about passing the data or got caught up with the wrong folks.
Hell the FBI may have already been monitoring him or had him wired. That would also explain the suppression of information at the hospital and local police body cams.

the contacts he was dealing with to get paid for his insider information

Why would he be looking for a payout? Now you are inventing that Seth Rich, a known patriot, who was killed was involved in criminal activity?

Pretty sure he was looking for money. WL posted a bounty for data and he was in discussions to drop and get paid.

If this is true, that he leaked info for the money, that is the motive for him to be murdered by someone in DNC. I don't remember seeing anyone from wikileaks paying for info. you have a source on that? I see them taking donations.

I dug a bit and there are several mentions regarding Wikileaks paying for data, 20k for Obama dirt, 10k for info on a reporter, still looking for the info regarding the election. I was surprised to see that WL offered money for whistle blowing but apparently it’s been a thing for some time. As soon as I find a good link I will put it up.

I still think the motive could go either way. DNC would want to prevent a leak other parties would want to guarantee the leak.

The fact the data was released makes me think it was the latter not the former.

Fair enough. So many variables, anything is possible. I would assume. wikileaks's donations are how they fund that. I think it makes sense that if a whistle blower could loose their job etc they could use financial help. I will look into that. I was not aware they paid for info.

Took a bit of digging but I found to two WL tweets that point to rewards for election information and a declaration of their reward system.

These point to a reward that was active at the time Seth was looking to drop his information.

I agree with their position. Rewards are OK if information produced is properly vetted.

I don't disagree. It is a small offset to the risk the whistle blower is taking; I just was not aware of the program until last year.

The reward system was apparently in place well before the public admission via twitter. It does put some taint on the process as it gives some ammunition to critics to say it might attract bad information but as long as it is verified then it is okay.

Every reasonable comment in here is in the negative votes. These downvoted obviously can't acknowledge logic.

Also, If it was common street thugs robbing people at night, tell me they wouldn't turn each-other in for the murder of Seth Rich considering how high the reward is now.

They don't get to keep the reward money if they're the one who murdered him, why do you assume they blabbed that they killed some guy?

great point. so why isnt anyone investigating the seth rich murder? if russia did it, it would clearly show even more collusion. yet nobody seems to care anymore about seth rich

They might be holding information because of an ongoing investigation. An international assassination taking place on the streets of DC is going to be an explosive charge against Russia.

This is what I'm thinking has happened. There is no other reason for Roger Stone, Alex Jones, and then parroted by Hanity and Savage, to yell, scream and point to Seth Rich like it's a brier patch. And Roger Stone even laid the ground work for the narrative to resonate a much as possible by talking up the "Clinton Murders" months before Seth's murder

Annnnd here they are right on cue lol

I'm sorry, on cue for what? Don't disrupt the cycle, you're here for the scraps

It's ok there buddy, I know thinking is hard for you.

oh, ok

User name checks out.

Most things I've seen blaming the Russians have not had much, if any evidence to back them up.

This one is a bit crazier than the flat earth conspiracies. Top Kek.

I believe that was Brad Bauman, the crisis management spokesman sent to the Rich family (free of charge by DNC allies) to 'handle' this situation.

It's all very normal for a robbery gone wrong.

95% survival if you get to the hospital alive. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/nyregion/03shot.html

“It’s a matter of total, straight luck,” said Dr. Vincent J. M. DiMaio, the former chief medical examiner in Bexar County, Tex., and the author of a book on gunshot wounds first published in 1985.

“One bullet can kill you,” he said.

One quote from a physician from a book published in ‘85 is the evidence you’re using for a complicated medical issue? Are you seriously going to promote that?

Parent was using one statistic out of context, I returned the favour.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

95% chance Hillary will win the election

Technically, most of the predictions ran between 66-71%, but please, don't let the facts get in the way.

Try 99% I remember CNN playing constantly at work for the old folks.

538 disagrees with you.

Lol 538.

Yeah, anything which threatens your worldview is biased, we know.

Whoosh!

on the eve of the election NYT said it was a 98 percent chance Hillary would win. Thats the facts.

What's the survival rate if you cross the Clinton's?

Please correct me if I'm wrong but, I've come to understand the transfer rates of the (leaked) data were way, WAY too high to be an online transfer. That speeds that high could only be obtained with something local, like a usb thumb drive. Has that info been refuted?

I still have not seen it refuted.

The whole "the speeds were too fast" is bullshit and has definitely been refuted.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stories-claiming-dnc-hack-was-inside-job-rely-heavily-stupid-conversion-error-no-forensic-expert-would-make.shtml

22.7 megabytes per second (MB/s) sounds impossibly fast if you don't know any better. But if you do the simple conversion from megabytes per second to megabits per second necessary to determine the actual speed of the connection used, you get a fairly reasonable 180 megabits per second (Mbps). While the report proclaims that "no internet service provider" can provide such speeds, ISPs around the world routinely offer speeds far, far faster -- from 500 Mbps to even 1 Gbps.

We aren’t retarded, we didn’t miss the math. We checked the ISPs that provided service to the building hosting the servers that were compromised and surmised that none of the ISPs servicing that area could provide those speeds.

So what’s that got to do with the price of tea in India?

You sure about that?

https://www.rcn.com/dc-metro/

They offer 1 GB to private households, wouldn't be surprised if they offered a business class that was even faster.

That’s on fiber optic. The metro DC area is mostly still copper.

But you don't think a large organization like the DNC would be on fiber? Do you have any evidence that they aren't?

You can call ISPs in the area and ask if they will provide that speed in that area. That’s what I did when I was initially researching this.

Proof? I linked to a DC ISP that offers the speeds greater than what we are talking about. Where is your proof that this is incorrect? You "made some phone calls" isn't going to cut it here.

mostly

What's the relevance of it if it doesn't prove the last file copy was directly from the DNC server? People can argue about if the transfer speeds are possible or not, but it doesn't really matter because even if it was a flash drive that doesn't prove anything since it could have been copied any number of times before that.

The group that issued that report also issued an opposing report claiming that indeed such speeds were achievable with modern T lines and that the primary author of the first articlea opinions and assumptions were controversial within the group.

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346468-why-the-latest-theory-about-the-dnc-not-being-a-hack-is-probably-wrong%3famp

This all depends on the upload bandwith the actual DNC servers were sitting on...

It doesn't matter if you have fiber outside their 50down/2up

Well that number is last transfer. So if it went DNC>Internet Download>Flashdrive Drive>Upload it would show the same as DnC>Flashdrive>Upload. Also the speeds were well within what one would be expect for corporate internet.

It's hard to refute something that had an entirely flawed premise from the beginning.

That makes perfect sense. (last transfer speed) I never thought about it from that point of view. I should've caught that, too. I guess I've fallen victim to spin. Thanks for pointing that out.

They weren't too fast and in fact Internet speeds can actually be faster. They just happened to be the exact speed of a typical USB transfer.

Apparently the hit was directly by Debbie Wasserman Shultz. She was the head of the DNC. She was forced to resign from her position as DNC head when wikileaks dropped emails re: sabotaging the Bernie Sanders nomination for Clinton. Upon stepping down as DNC head, Clinton promptly hired her as honorary chair of the Clinton's campaign’s 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country. Oh, and she said publicly that weed is a gateway drug.

Look into the Awan brothers case. Vote rigging, podesta emails, Seth Rich, dnc hack, Russia, Clinton foundation... Awan brothers is being kept real quiet as it ties a lot of loose ends together.

Sources ?

The DNC had him murdered.

There's zero evidence they did, but is there any evidence they had a motive to.

except Podesta's "I'm definitely for making an example of suspected leaker whether or not we have any basis for it".

To those reporting this link:

This does not break the rules of /r/conspiracy and will not be removed.

Thanks!

Ban the shills reporting it 😉

Unfortunately, only reddit admins can see who is reporting.

Ostensibly this is to protect reporters from harassment, but ultimately results in report abuse.

only reddit admins can see who is reporting.

Is that new? A few years ago a friend reported having their life threatened by some of the whatever that fucking white pride sub was people. She reported them an the first repose was.."you reported me" Nothing from the admins or mods. She has not been back to reddit since.

unfortunately I can't identify dissenters and ban them as easily as that

Could you try to keep a little bit of perspective?

Sounds like both sides of the coin to me.

Well, if you do have a serious case of report abuse the admins might help.

I'm going to reach out to them about it soon.

Thank you. I appreciate your efforts, and want to thank you.

So you would ban dissenters if you can see their identity? Jeez

no

then why did you say 'unfortunately' in your original comment?

There's a marked difference between dissent and abuse, and to claim otherwise is very disingenuous.

We here at r/conspiracy love the CTR shills.

Just look, its like honey and bees every day.

1 and a half billion dollar blown right up. Such glory, much wow.

What does the 1 and a half billion dollar figure correspond to? That's a lot of money.

All the money Uncle Soros gave to fight for shills to fight for the Globalist Cabal

I see George Soros gave 18 billion to the Open Society Foundation, but I am unable to find a breakdown of that amount or how the money has been split or where it's going from there.

I also can't find a single thing that references a 1.5 billion dollar figure, just links to hearsay and conjecture. Do you have a source? Anyone in politics these days is dirty, and the exceptions don't disprove the rule; but outside of online commentary, I can't find anything with the amount you're referencing.

I believe he was being hyperbolic

Read as: an ungodly amount of money.

The fact that someone would even report this post speaks volumes.

Automated reporting and down-voting is one of many features in some versions of Persona Management Software.

Thanks for letting me know. It helps those of us who are new to reddit. It's funny how anyone who mentions or complains about the shills gets downvoted by the same shills.

It's an automated response (don't take it personally). Depending on the strength of the response and whether or not a human is at the console when the software is running, you may become the victim of a drive-by down-voting (aka - death by a thousand clicks). This is where multiple profiles under the control of "Persona Management Software" will swarm and destroy (report, down-vote, troll, etc.) a target that threatens the approved narrative as its programmed into the software.

The gray area which is being avoided in this case is Rule 11:

Misleading, fabricated or sensationalist headlines are subject to removal.

• Subject to removal. They won't be.

But this is sensationalist by the insinuation that "The truth behind his murder could undo the entire "Russia Russia Russia" narrative."

And it is also fabricated by its title: "Reminder: A DNC employee who appears deeply involved in leaking DNC emails which has not been proven or even shown to have any connection to reality.

May as well start posting "His Name Was Seth Rich" 5 times a day.

could

appears

OP deliberately uses words of speculation, instead of stating it as fact.

That is the essence of a conspiracy theory, and this title breaks no rules.

Thanks for your concern.

Of course. Phrasing.

Is the use of "Russia Russia Russia narrative" reffering to an active FBI investigation of a sitting US president also not sensationalist because it was not in all caps or other text treatments (Rule 6)?

Good lord you cannot be this dense,Why are you still going on after the mod said it wasn't going to be taken down?

It's like Comcast, they don't stop until we the customer literally tells them to go fuck themselves and then they escalate to the next department.

Unless it's in the form of a hypothetical...

"If a tree fell in the woods, would Comcast go fuck themselves?"

As the creator and head mod of a subreddit, I get mildly amused when people report my posts. As if that's going to happen.

Perhaps a partisan shill like yourself shouldn't be modding /r/conspiracy?

Why is the unsolved murder of a government official a partisan issue?

Seth Rich didn't work for the government, he worked for the DNC.

Census Bureau

Rich was not working for the census bureau when he died.

Fine, former government employee. At the time he was killed though, he was working for an organization which we now know was owned by Hillary Clinton and it is not the first time someone tied to a Clinton suddenly died.

Yeah, we knew that last year. Hasn't moved the case very far.

That's kind of my point...

The public tends to not be allowed to investigate these things. Not everyone can get a warrant.

read my comment again?

Because it's being used to divert attention away from known wrongdoing. The NSA, CIA and FBI all have reason to believe the DNC was hacked by Russian GRU. This is also well-substantiated by an independent white paper by a Finnish cybersecurity group called FSecure.

It is a freaking unsolved murder with ties to the DNC! And what difference does it make that they hacked the DNC when it was already bought out by an individual. The NSA, CIA, and FBI ALL have an agenda and as we have seen by information in recent weeks, depended greatly on DNC and HRC success. Their reason for believing it was that it is a better story.

If anything THAT is being used to distract from the fact that this man was murdered. This man connected to so many important people was murdered in cold blood and we have exactly 0 answers as to who did it and every time the question is raised as to why this supposedly simple murder has not been solved, it is met by mindless, brainwashed slaves like the crew that showed up in this sub very passionately trying to keep people from talking about it.

It is well with theorizing over and the fact that you show so much opposition shows you are not on the right sub, so get out.

So if one stated:

"President Trump appears to have raped several babies in the face. This could change the entire 'Russia Russia Russia' narrative."

that's acceptable? It's certainly not based in any facts whatsoever. But it's stated in a speculative way, so it's ok? It shouldn't be. Neither should the "Seth Rich is the DNC hacker/insider who was murdered by HRC" narrative. Because both stories have not only zero substantiation, but in the SR narrative, there is affirmation by several intelligence agencies that the DNC hack was the result of Russian (GRU) activities. And this has been substantiated by independent 3rd parties

Misleading, fabricated or sensationalist headlines are subject to removal.

So if a claim not only isn't substantiated, but has very strong counterevidence to the contrary, should that claim be considered "fabricated"?

There's strong propaganda trying to claim Seth Rich was a random murder, not that he wasn't the leaker. The editor of the leaks, who has a perfect accuracy record, alleged that Seth Rich was the leaker.

There's strong propaganda trying to claim Seth Rich was a random murder, not that he wasn't the leaker.

It looks like you're using the word "propaganda" in an unconventional way. "Evidence" is not the same as "propaganda".

Tell me, what actual evidence do you have that SR was murdered by HRC? Is that your take on the SR murder? That he was "taken out" for leaking the DNC info? Have you looked into the Rod Wheeler claims? Did you know that according to Wheeler, the ONLY source for the claim that SR had been in touch with Wikileaks was from a FOX NEWS employee?

Wheeler is now suing FOX NEWS over this predicament. And he'll likely win.

Then there's Ed Butowsky. He's the guy who hired Wheeler--supposedly out of the kindness of his heart "in order to give the Rich family closure". Sounds legit, right? Rich, Texas businessman doles out cash on a P.I. for the sole purpose of giving this random family, for whom he has ZERO connection to, closure. Sure. The Rich family didn't hire him. If you didn't know all this before, well, you don't have that excuse anymore. You can't claim ignorance anymore.

On the other side of the evidence pile is [this well-researched white paper by a Finnish cybersecurity company called FSecure] which states that all roads of DNC hacking lead back to the Russian GRU. The same "smash and grab" code used on Ukraine a few years before was also used in the DNC hack. How could that be?

This particular code was made in house in the Russian GRU hacking group. But you actually believe SR got a hold of this code somehow and used it to hack a server for which he had password clearance? Tell me you don't really believe that.

The editor of the leaks, who has a perfect accuracy record, alleged that Seth Rich was the leaker.

The editor of the leaks? You mean Assange? You didn't get the memo apparently, but Wikileaks has been compromised by the Russians since some time in 2015. Perhaps earlier. Russian GRU has been using Wikileaks an in info-launderer. Note that just because a liar lies doesn't mean a liar cannot tell the truth. Likewise, just because a person told the truth doesn't mean they cannot lie. This seems like it's news to you. Are you under the impression that if a person tells the truth, they can never lie?

Take a look at the earlier work of Wikileaks and Assange and compare it to his statement on Dutch TV where he dances around implicating the death of SR to being a Wiki source. Did he ever do anything like that before? No. Absolutely not. Unless you're in an information bubble, that's a pretty good sign that he was threatened with a big stick and a big carrot. Lead or silver. The blackmail model is as old as our historical records. But you don't seem to be able to see it right in front of your eyes.

You have fallen for the Russia Hoax.

There is no evidence Russia has anything to do with Wikileaks.

Wikileaks has leaked Russian documents, and yes has a perfect accuracy record, never having published anything fake unlike the outlets you are getting your propaganda from.

OP deliberately uses words of speculation, instead of stating it as fact.

Why do you care so much?

Why do I care about the rules? I think the better question is why don't you?

Call me crazy but I don't support people using sensationalist and misleading posts to support their agenda.

Just downvote and move on.

There assuredly will be something else to be outraged about tomorrow.

Eh, I'll keep commenting and calling out the bullshit as well. Funny seeing how you guys react to it.

I suggest you don't, you'll get banned.

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No one has implied that, and it's not even relevant to this conversation.

You can tell how hard it's shilled by how many upvotes the wee little children have.

;)

Your in the fucking conspiracy sub, do you want the entire sub deleted?

Do the mods give a damn about the obvious brigading against a conspiracy theory going on here?

Yes!

Then why don't you do something about the Donald brigade that keeps invading this sub?

It's actually been a few months since we've seen one of those in a bad way.

Seems to me, those who have an issue should be contacting the admins regarding the brigading.

Perfect example here. This place hasn’t yet purged everything conservative/anti dem so it must be ‘trump brigades’.

Glad you're running the show now axo, good seeing your name with moderator next to it

THANK YOU!!!

Why would they think this does break the rules?

Because anything to do with Seth Rich is brigaded by shills.

It's r/conspiracy. It's a valid theory. It's not against the rules. So why not out the users that try to censor. Mods don't need their pressure. We don't need their weaselness

I like this idea. Reporting goes beyond the mere downvote needed.

Are there mods that would remove this...?

They don't. Certain bad actors don't like it when we talk about Seth Rich for some reason.

It's rather baffling to me how this has to be so black and white. Why can't the dems, Republicans, and Russians all be bad guys? Doesn't that seem far more likely than "aha! Actually it was all ___"

Cuz you’re a racist misogynistic bigot if you think Hillary was anything other than a perfect little angel!

^ tone-deaf as fuck ^

the whole purpose of the Seth Rich conspiracy is to frame him as the person who leaked the DNC emails. The whole point of the conspiracy is to try and say that it wasn’t Russia who hacked the DNC emails, OP is even transparent about that with his title.

There’s so much more evidence for the Russia stuff than the Seth Rich stuff and I challenge anyone to disprove me on that

Like the evidence of a well known Fancy Bear IP address that was actually shut down in 2015? That evidence?

Could you expand on this? What’s this IP address and how does it relate to Seth? I genuinely haven’t heard of it

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-28/fancy-frauds-bogus-bears-malware-mimicry-did-crowdstrike-plant-russian-evidence-dnc

So how does this point to Seth Rich being the DNC leaker?

Reread your op and get back to me

Wow. It's a party in here; an astroturfing extravaganza. Where's the buffet?

Astroturf profiles read the OP, but if a campaign is configured in the software for a specific topic, like: "Seth Rich", and a bunch of customization is done, the software is probably configured to forum slide, continually ask questions in order to goad, and evoke an emotional response in order to shut down any discussion and cause people asking the wrong questions or typing things the software is programmed to respond to to stop posting and/or give up. After that the software either goes silent or, depending on how it's configured, may make a bunch of posts to steer the forum back to however the narrative is configured in the software

The funny thing is this: You could have two astroturfing profiles arguing with each other and acting like nitwits and real people join in to argue with a piece of software.

Anything with “Seth Rich” in the title is instantly brigaded to oblivion.

The more people post about Seth Rich, the larger the sample size of shill accounts there is to analyze and crosscheck with other data points. What are some other controversial topics we can think of (besides Pizzagate and Las Vegas) to trigger a response and create more metadata?

This place is so astroturfed. I hate it!

It's only specific topics that are being astroturfed.

Based on the past 10 days, the following topics seem to have campaigns on Persona Management Software targeting Reddit posts (in Conspiracy):

Seth Rich Pizzagate Las Vegas Shooting Anything mentioning Pedo Anti-Trump Anti-Hillary etc, etc...

But the metadata is great! The more, the better! Little does the Persona Management Software know that it is slowly but surely ensuring its own demise by making it easier to identify posts made by it. ;) The shills are doing a great job!

Thank you my friend. Very fitting username. We need more people like you.

I've only been here with a registered profile for 10 days after lurking for YEARS. LOL

Cool story, bro.

Ever heard of the healing power of laughter? It's something that no one can ever have too much of. The more laughter you have, the more happy you likely are. There's quite a bit these days to LOL at a bit too hard.

"If you ain't laughin', buddy, you ain't livin'!"

I think the main evidence that it was Seth Rich who leaked the documents, is that the transfer speeds indicate that the files were moved from within the DNC and di not get transmitted over the internet at all.

Also of note, is that Wikileaks has dropped many not so subtle hints that Seth Rich was the leaker, most notably that Wikileaks offered a reward for information about his murder, something Wikileaks has never done for anyone else in their entire history of leaks.

So what were the transfer speeds?

it’s mentioned in other parts of the thread...I can’t get to it atm

That transfer speeds narrative is a gambit. There was plenty of time and adequate speed to make the transfer in even the completely made up time window when that one person said it would have to have happened.

You discredit yourself when you bring up that completely misleading and debunked narrative.

Wikileaks is now a Russian propaganda outlet. It is unclear if it has always been that but it seems likely.

This is hardly debunked. The kimdotcom stuff is all Debunked, which is the only thread of evidence linking the LEAK to Russia. Do I know what happened? No more than you, but certainly there are plenty of question marks that remain, so I find it interesting that you are so sure of yourself.

I've experienced dnc internet first hand. The shitty field office I once worked out of had the fastest internet I've ever encountered, faster than I even knew existed in the United States. Corporate level fibre is unreal. It makes DOD internet look like dialup and Seoul's 100 mbit look like shitty dsl.

The method of removing the emails is critical. Either Seth Rich took them or the Russians hacked the emails server and uploaded the files. You say this is all a gambit, and adequate speed. I have to disagree, here's why. On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes or 1.976 gigabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The term used in the investigation is downloaded The correct term is uploaded. If the Russians hacked the DNC then the email files were "Uploaded" from the mail server to Russia. However, when the term download is used it describes the email files were taken either from the mail server itself or a workstation, using a USB flash drive or comparable USB device. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second. The upload speed in the D.C. area ranges from 3 Mbps to 10 Mbps. Showing that you can not transfer the stolen files over the internet in the time frame of the theft. Now, when using a USB flash drive, the speeds are 60Mbps for USB 2.0 and 640 Mbps for USB 3.0. This shows that the file transfer was absolutely done using a USB flash drive and NOT uploaded from a internet hack of the DNC server. Time stamps in the metadata provide further evidence of what happened on July 5. The stamps recording the download indicate that it occurred in the Eastern Daylight Time Zone at approximately 6:45 pm. This confirms that the person entering the DNC system was working somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. In theory the operation could have been conducted from Bangor or Miami or anywhere in between—but not Russia, Romania, or anywhere else outside the EDT zone. Combined with Forensic findings on the transfer rate, the time stamps constitute more evidence that the download was conducted locally. I now ask how you can stick to your version of what happened. There is absolutely ZERO evidence of a computer hack of the DNC. Zero. Why is it so hard for all of you Hillary fans to realize that she has committed crimes against the USA and its citizens. She must have her day in court. Is that too much to ask for. Equal justice for all.

Your the only one discrediting yourself by posting the following nonsense:

"Wikileaks is now a Russian propaganda outlet. It is unclear if it has always been that but it seems likely."

Whether they are or they are not Russian Propaganda does not matter. You know that CNN, Fox News, and all of the Western Media, the BBC and so forth are all American and British Propaganda yet no one ever complains of this. Also, even if WikiLeaks are propaganda, you cannot say that what they say isn't true. Everything they have released is verified truth. As much cannot be said for the likes of the BBC, Fox News and CNN and the rest of the mainstream.

Wikileaks has also been exposed as being in the tank for Trump.

Do you have anything that isn't ran by right wing extremists?

Hahaha of course they fucking don’t

Please point us to the evidence of collusion. I'm sure the Mueller team would like to see it as well, seeing as how they haven't found any yet. "Just wait bro, it's coming. I don't know what it is but I know it's there so I'm going to say there's evidence."

ok, give me one member of the Trump campaign and I’ll find evidence for their Russia ties

Russia ties? Or Russia collusion? It’s not illegal to have “ties” to Russia. Clinton certainly did...

okay, same offer, Russia collusion. Anyone in particular you want me to find evidence for? It’ll be a few hours, I’m gonna go see a movie, but the offer stands

Donald Trump.

Donald Trump decided to keep Michael Flynn on as the head of the NSA despite Don McGahn researching and coming to the conclusion that he likely violated the Hatch Act in speaking to the Russian ambassador about sanctions while on the transition team.

He only fired him upon WaPo reporting about Flynn’s conversations

Wow, that's some damning evidence right there.

Trump fired someone who may have done something. Golly

Refused to fire him for 9 days until the media caught wind

Probably not considering its not nearly as salacious as WaPo wants you to see it as.

You mean to say that Flynn lying to the Vice President of the United States about his communications with Kislyak isn't big deal?

Not in the way you are clutching pearls over, no.

:p okay, I guess we'll just disagree.

Keep clutching them pearls.

Flynn was gored for the same reason he was indicted. He lied. He lied to the FBI about what his conversation entailed, and he lied to the Vice President. There’s no other explanation of he timing other than the administration became aware of the truth.

Your comments points conflict with each other. If it was the article that pushed them to fire him, why would they wait 9 days?

Flynn discusses sanctions with Kislyak. Flynn tells Pence that the sanctions we're explicitly not talked about. Pence then tells "Face the Nation" that sanctions we're not discussed. FBI later interviews Flynn about his conversation with Kislyak. Two days afterwards, Sally Yates tells White House counsel Don McGahn that sanctions had been discussed. Trump was immediately told about this development, according to Sean Spicer. Trump then fires Sally Yates (possibly unrelated.) Then a week and a half later, WaPo published a story that revealed the White House had known about Flynn's "misleading" statements. He is forced to resign just hours after the article's publication.

Not way back when the president learned about the lie. Not when the FBI knew about it. Not when the Acting Attorney General knew. He was fired when it was released in the news days after the fact.

So Trump was so incompetent that he had no idea that Flynn, his national security ADVISOR, was speaking to the Russian ambassador about US policy towards Russia?

Edits like that just make you look like a gigantic tool

Its basically the same argument that conservatives are trying to use to discredit Mueller now. Trump withheld information about a scandal to avoid bad publicity.

Except Trump also lied about it (said he fired Flynn for lying to Pence), and also Trump attempted to obstruct justice by telling Comey to let this whole Flynn thing go, after he knew Flynn had lied to the FBI.

Except he didn’t tell Comey to let this whole Flynn thing go. He said I hope you can see to letting the Flynn thing go. He is a good man. That is obviously not an order as you claim it is. Unless English is not your first language.

he likely violated the Hatch Act

Right. Except that he didn't

And see here.

And here

Here too

Etc.

Why do you consider poorly-written opinion pieces evidence?

That's ironic, do you consider "likely violated the Hatch Act" to be a statement of any interest whatsoever?

Meh. Flynn plotting to kidnap a Turkish expat with his son and deliver him to the Turks for a bounty is much more interesting.

My point is simply that posting a bunch of very mediocre opinion pieces isn’t really any kind of evidence, let alone the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

I just picture you rubbing your hands with satisfaction going “aha! This is posted on the Huffington Post. HuffPo admits there was no collusion everyone!”

You know I was replying to a comment referencing an opinion in the Washington Post, right?

Lol bad example, saying international gangsters like the Clintons only have ties.

How about all of the meetings between Trump officials and Kremlin representatives that the Trump officials lied about?

FFS, a year ago Kushner claimed under penalty of perjury that he had no such meetings. We now know that not only did he have a meeting, it was specifically about how the Russian government could help Trump damage Clinton. They claim that no deals were struck during any of these meetings, but given that they've already been caught red-handed lying about their existence, who on earth would believe their claims about their content?

Face it: they made a deal. The only reason they're not in handcuffs is that they were verbal agreements.

A deal for what?

You should watch this interview.

I'm probably not going to watch the whole thing, since I already read Harding's book.

I'm probably not going to watch the whole interview

Probably because he get's dismantled.

Ten minutes in, and I'm not seeing it. Just more of the same "if there's no smoking gun there's no evidence" by the interviewer.

The meetings are evidence. The lies about the meetings are evidence. They're not smoking guns, they're guns.

Basically, all he did was continually try to get Harding to admit there's no 'evidence' of collusion.

Because there isn't.

The meetings are evidence. The lies about the meetings are evidence. The perjury and lies to the FBI to cover up the meetings is evidence. They're not smoking guns, but they are guns.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Trumps statements that he had no contact or had absolutely nothing to do with Russia?

What specifically?

Let’s say specifically his tweet from January.

“Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING”.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/819159806489591809?lang=en

Speaks for itself.

Okay, how about his statement to the question below:

“Can you say whether you are aware that anyone who advised your campaign had contacts with Russia during the course of the election”

“No,” Mr. Trump said. “Nobody that I know of. Nobody.”

"It doesn't look like anything to me."

No-one should get downvoted for posting a link to that interview.

parroting MSM now, are we?

Lots of people meet with Russians ALL the time. Some are businessmen, some are scientists collaborating on projects, and some are politicians.

You seem to know a lot about the Kushner meetrting with "Russkies" that no one else does, apparently. Not Mueller, not the FBI and not anyone else.

Would you be so kind as to share some of your secret knowledge? especially the part about how "Russian government" could "damage Clinton" for Trump. WE really really want to know what you got there.

Also Clinton needed no help to be damaged. It's called corruption, BTW. People, voters for some reason don't like that so much.

Anyone paying you BTW for this secret information you claim to have? hope it's a lot. You know, secrets....

Lots of people meet with Russians ALL the time. Some are businessmen, some are scientists collaborating on projects, and some are politicians.

And some are lawyers representing Kremlin interests, offering dirt on Hillary Clinton in exchange for sanctions relief.

This isn't secret information, this is the infamous Trump Tower meeting. You know, the one they lied about over and over again. You don't seriously expect anyone to take their word on their actual conversation, the only thing there's no documentation of?

Do tell more about the Trump tower meeting - the best nothing-burger we have ever seen.

And how speaking to a Russian lawyer is worse than the DNC actually commissioning a hit piece using the same Fusion GPS company tone of their operatives is related to, to basically concoct a bunch of pathetic spins, most of which read like tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

What were the lies about exactly/ that a minor detail was omitted?

Mind you contacts made AFTERE Trump was elected are completely proper. Incoming adminstrations have a duty to put out feelers to foreign governments during the transition period.

As for Kushner - you are right about the collusion with a foreign government, but it was Israel. You know the one directing and running America's foreign policy, among other things.

The story should ALL be about Ksraelgate and how Kushner is effectively a fifth column operative on behalf of israel deliberately undermining US interests.

So, why isn't that a story?

Do tell more about the Trump tower meeting - the best nothing-burger we have ever seen.

It's only a nothingburger if you accept their version of what went down at the meeting. "Oh yes, they lied about this meeting a half dozen times before, but now they're telling the truth!" Sadly, the MSM has largely done just that.

Kushner omitted this meeting from his SF-86 (one of many he omitted), signed under penalty of perjury.

And how speaking to a Russian lawyer is worse than the DNC actually commissioning a hit piece using the same Fusion GPS company tone of their operatives is related to, to basically concoct a bunch of pathetic spins, most of which read like tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The dossier isn't a hit piece. First of all, the DNC stopped paying Fusion/Steele well before the election without releasing it. You can't call something a hit piece if you don't make it public. Secondly, Chris Steele is a highly respected intelligence operative who exposed the corruption in FIFA. He doesn't write fiction, and you wouldn't hire him to write fiction. He wasn't in it for the money, either: he was so disturbed by what he found that he kept up the investigation after he stopped getting paid by the FBI.

He doesn’t write fiction? It was reported this week that Steele himself said his claims in the dossier cannot be verified as true.

And how can a dossier with outrageously fake narratives such as Trump pissing on a bed Obama’s slept in with a bunch of Russian hookers not be considered a hit piece? You are out of your damned mind.

Hillary paid a washed up British spy to get fake information from RUSSIANS to delegitimize a duly elected president. If this isn’t collusion with Russia then nothing is.

You can't call something a hit piece if you don't make it public.

What the heck are you talking about? this debunked report, now know to be mostly fiction which no one took seriously, was used in order to get a FISA order to spy and monitor Trump AND staff - despite endless assurances to the contrary by a lying, cheating FBI. They did too bug Trump Tower and in all likelihood bugged Trump himself.

That's basically what a police state does, not a democracy. The Steele report is now considered a joke, and is still being uncovered as a low quality make-up story. It appears that big chunks were effectively "lifted" from story tellers.

Secondly, Chris Steele is a highly respected intelligence operative who exposed the corruption in FIFA.

You are quite wrong about this. Steele was considered to be a washed-up operative which is probably why he took the job. His sources in Russia did not pan out - despite substantial payments. Some of those "sources" essentially invented what Steele et al wanted to hear. Including pulling up entire storylines from known fictional tales. Russians are really smart that way - give the customer what they want, charge a hefty fee, then hanker down while counting your money.

There were many stories in the press about how the MI6 no longer had any confidence in this individual, Steele.

The word for him is "sheister".

But I am getting suspicious you are so keen on peddling this garbage. No one believes it, as you know. Even the US intelligence agencies washed their hands off it.

Though now we do hear about collusion between Fusion and the FBI.

A racket is a racket, no matter how hard you want to push the perfidy. Truth is that McCabe, Storck, and the mistress should all be in jail warming their heels. As should be those turpid DNC operators who commissioned the fairy tale and peddled it to daily Beast etc. And DWS, in an ideal world, would be serving 10-20 years in jail for blatant disregard for the country's security laws, along with her lying boss Hillary and her assistant Abedin, who peddled e mails to her sexting husband, including secret ones.

Oh, and did I mention Shawn henry who probably ordered the hit on Seth and his buddy Alperovich of crowdStrike, the company that inserted malware into DNC's computers in an effort to finger Russia?

Anyways, you should try and swim in more waters more hospitable for blue pillers.

First off, your post is reminiscent of a Kremlin firehose of falsehoods disinformation campaign, where you spew a mixture of falsehoods and unproven assertions in order to overwhelm your audience. So to anyone else reading this, I'm going to disprove each and every assertion with facts.

this debunked report, now know to be mostly fiction which no one took seriously, was used in order to get a FISA order to spy and monitor Trump AND staff -

Wrong. The only FISA warrant against a Trump team member was Carter Page, and the dossier played a minor role in that warrant only because they corroborated what it said. To the extent that it can be verified, every single meeting detailed by the dossier with respect to Page's trip to Moscow has been proven true (although he disputes the content of the meetings and claims that in some cases he wouldn't call them 'meetings', only 'greetings').

BTW, Page had already had a previous FISA warrant against him because the FSB had tried to recruit him as a source. So he's a dodgy fellow.

The Steele report is now considered a joke, and is still being uncovered as a low quality make-up story. It appears that big chunks were effectively "lifted" from story tellers.

Actually, the dossier is currently about half corroborated. Almost anything that can be proven true has been proven true, but for obvious reasons the details of various conversations cannot be proven without a recording device or a transcript.

You are quite wrong about this. Steele was considered to be a washed-up operative which is probably why he took the job.

There were many stories in the press about how the MI6 no longer had any confidence in this individual, Steele.

Wrong. Some proof:

• The former head of MI6 says that the dossier is credible.
• Numerous other intel people endorse Steele.
• Steele is the one who gave the FBI the information that broke the FIFA corruption scandal wide open, so the FBI has good reason to believe him.

His sources in Russia did not pan out - despite substantial payments.

There is no evidence of any payments, let alone substantial ones. And Steele is so confident in his sources that he already gave them to Mueller and to the Senate.

Some of those "sources" essentially invented what Steele et al wanted to hear. Including pulling up entire storylines from known fictional tales. Russians are really smart that way - give the customer what they want, charge a hefty fee, then hanker down while counting your money.

It's raw intelligence, and wasn't meant to be 100% true. Steele himself says that it's 70-90% true. And yes, some of it could be disinformation, particularly the pee tape. Notice how all anyone ever talks about with respect to the dossier is the pee tape, even though it's not even close to being the worst thing described in it? That could be intentional.

But I am getting suspicious you are so keen on peddling this garbage. No one believes it, as you know. Even the US intelligence agencies washed their hands off it.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

But I am getting suspicious you are so keen on peddling this garbage. Anyways, you should try and swim in more waters more hospitable for blue pillers.

Big words coming from the dude who mainly posts in the dead of night. But yes, I understand that this sub is generally skeptical of collusion, which is why I made /r/RussiaLago. I mainly come here for contrary viewpoints and to debate in an environment where I won't get insta-banned.

FWIW, collusion skeptics are also welcome in /r/RussiaLago. :-)

Thank you for providing all of that info! Replies like yours with sources provided are desperately needed here.

It's only a nothingburger if you accept their version of what went down at the meeting.

What version should i accept/ yours/ who are you exactly that i should believe a word you say? so far you have been peddling an obvious hoax, that pathetic dossier (for which Fusion and the DNC should ask for their money back, it was so poorly put together).

Kushner omitted this meeting from his SF-86

If Kushner omitted something then it was the part about asking the Russians to support the apartheid country, Israel, in its effort to avoid a vote castigating it for evil behavior and human rights violations. Since that is the case and since israel pretty much runs America's foreign policy and military strategy (ie it runs the Empire) you can rest assured that Kushner will never be called on this.

An aside: I would be delighted to have Kushner thrown in the slummer, but not for anything Russia, Russia, but for his traitorous amateurish games with the KSA and with israel. The boy has probably fglunked his bar Mitzvah if you ask me (or, better yet, ask Saban, the DNC ultra zionist godfather, ensuring obedience to Israel).

My favorite part of this whole shit show of mental midgets is how they throw each other under the bus - Trump is where decades of reputation go to die.

Bro Jr. Posted it on twitter.

Yea but did he post it to 4chan with a shoe on his head for verification?

Its only true is Q makes a vague reference that can be connect to it

"Q" made outright lies.

He reused Washington Post photos of the CIA records annex fire of 8-8-2001 as his own and claimed that they are recent.

And why wouldn't "Bro Jr." want to cover his own behind? People just don't post about things "randomly".

There is no evidence it was Russia - only claims made that it was Russia.

There is the evidence it was Seth Rich. Only claims made that it was Seth Rich.

Only strong insinuation by Julian Assange himself, when he repeatedly mentioned Seth Rich in relation to the dangers of leaking information (the Podesta emails) to wikileaks, which is the basis for the Russian collusion media hoax.

So an organization caught trying to work with the Trump campaign in exchange for immunity and a job is now supposed to be a good source of information dealing with said campaign?

WikiLeaks has a far better reputation than any political party or government. Not one of their millions of documents has been proven false.

Wikileaks used to have a better reputation until they were caught and admitted to colluding.

Everything is colluding, huh? Even if you believe that their reputation has been damaged, it's still miles ahead of any political party or government.

That doesn't change whether they are a reliable source or not.

Are you triggered by the word colluding? It's textbook colluding so it's not like it's being over used for no reason.

Do you known what olluding means?

In other words, no, you don't know what it means.

Not sure about their reputation now. I've always worried about them since the Panama Papers. Regardless, they have an obvious agenda now. I don't doubt what they release is real info. I just now doubt that what they release is not the whole story, or that they are releasing it for an agenda driven effect (which they also admitted to doing in their AMAs).

What did they have to do with the Panama Papers?

They said it was a Soros funded hit job against Putin.

The fact is there was nothing in those Papers about Putin, but the MSM tried desperately to spin it that way.

Well wikileaks bought into the spin then apparently.

Wikileaks is not involved with the Panama Papers or Paradise Papers. It is the ICIJ that reports on that material.

Only strong insinuation by Julian Assange himself

And from Craig Murray.

Craig murray has actually said his statements were very mischaracterized and he never claimed to have actually met the leaker, I believe it was on his personal website he talked about it.

This must be a brigade comment.

Julian assange confirmed that Seth was the leaker.

I thought Assange never reveals his sources. In fact, if you watch him when he mentions Rich, he does a whole bullshitty wink and nod routine. If he actually wanted to prove it was Rich he would easily be able too, instead he just fans the flames of a conspiracy theory. Its classic disinfo.

He made this exception during an interview, because he was murdered.

No, he didn't.

Yes he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg

Is he actually saying its Rich there, or is he insinuating without giving any proof or actual testimony?

Groups that were hacked by the Russians that are not the DNC: the DCCC, the registration systems of 21 states, John Podesta (one of thousands of people targeted by their spearphishing operation), and the RNC.

Seth Rich had no ties to any of them.

And that's without mentioning the Kremlin's social media operation. Not just Facebook and Twitter, but Reddit as well.

True, that operation isn't illegal by itself. But if it was done in coordination with the Trump campaign (as Mueller is investigating), that would be illegal. And if it was done in exchange for a promised change in U.S. policy? That wouldn't just be illegal, it would be borderline treason.

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Colin powell

Colin powell

Colin powell

Right, him too.

and I could be remembering wrong but there wasn't much noteworthy in his emails aside from him talking shit about hillary

The RNC was never hacked by the russians. Show my any source which outright states it. I know you cant because you're lying

How about Comey before he was fired?

do you read the articles?

penetration on the Republican side of the aisle and old Republican National Committee domains" no longer in use.

Comey later added that "there was evidence of hacking directed at state-level organizations, state-level campaigns, and the RNC, but old domains of the RNC, meaning old emails they weren't using. None of that was released."

Comey said there was no sign "that the Trump campaign or the current RNC was successfully hacked."

Idiots

Groups that were hacked by the Russians that are not the DNC: the DCCC, the registration systems of 21 states, John Podesta (one of thousands of people targeted by their spearphishing operation), and the RNC.

Whether or not the RNC domains that were hacked were current is completely irrelevant. They had no ties to Seth Rich. And neither did any of the state-level campaigns or organizations mentioned by Comey.

The current rnc was not hacked. The "rnc" related things which were hacked, which ofc CNN would never admit, were staffers emails or basic things which had no ties to the party anymore.

You're gonna need to try harder with your obvious lies

You're deflecting. Whether or not the RNC servers that were targeted were current or not is irrelevant to my point, which is that Seth Rich couldn't have had anything to do with those hacks (not to mention the DCCC, John Podesta, 21 states' registration systems, and numerous state-level campaigns and organizations).

What I said is both technically correct and correct in spirit.

No im not. You're being incredibly disingenuous

Its like me saying "the president has been assassinated" but im actually talking about JFK

No, it's more like if you said "the president has been assassinated" when you're actually talking about Barack Obama. Even if he's not president any more, it would still be a huge fucking deal.

It's very clear what you're doing. I rattled off a huge number of organizations that were hacked by Fancy Bear and had zero ties to Seth Rich, and you're trying to discredit the whole list by nitpicking an irrelevant detail about one of them. "Oh, it's not the current RNC domain that was hacked, it was an old RNC domain!" As if that has any bearing on Seth Rich's involvement.

Luckily, anyone reading this thread can see what you're doing.

You're the one blatantly lying bud:)

Where is the proof that the Russians hacked John Podesta?

The spearphishing operation that netted Podesta and Powell targeted thousands of people, and the Bitly account they were using was linked to by a known Fancy Bear domain.

The Podesta emails were not the Russians. They were not even hacked. NSA admitted it before all the Russia nonsense even came up on them. It was a leak. Remember how everyone says ‘NSA has all your emails ‘? https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/comey-confirms-assange-did-not-lie-podesta-emails-were-not-given-to-wikileaks-by-russians.141535/

Podesta was technically phished, not hacked (one of thousands phished by Fancy Bear).

Your source is a message board that leads to a dead link. Googling the headline leads to this Gateway Pundit post (ugh), which sources Rush Limbaugh and has an irrelevant video clip. Rush Limbaugh's post (double ugh) states that Comey said something that he did not say.

Please be a little more discriminating when it comes to your sources. This is how misinformation spreads.

If that was my source of anything I would not have spoken up. It was the first link I grabbed while on my phone while in a hurry.

There was no Phishing attacked which led to the email leak. That is a MSM lie. Members of the NSA admitted to the leak prior to the very poor argument that a phisher with a Russian IP got Podesta's password. (Sophisticated hackers don't even know rule #1 of hacking? Hide your IP? Come on, this does not fit with reality. Never-mind the fact that the NSA has software which can spoof any country's IP addresses. ) This is complete hogwash, especially since people like me knew the leak was coming months in advance and were telling people ahead of time that the Podesta emails were going to crush Hillary.

former s Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Steve Pieczenik, told us the leaks were coming, told us they were from US DOD, told us why the US DOD was doing it. Judge Nap even went strait on Fox and told us that NSA came to him to admit yet again they were behind the leak. .... The FBI, NSA, and at least 12 other intelligence communities were behind this, along with the NYPD. People like me who were mining these emails before the MSM even knew what happened know better than to believe any part of the 'official' story.

Here is a very sensible opinion piece explaining to those who still buy the official story how it could not possibly hold water. Neither the DNC nor the Podesta were hacked in any way. More importantly, they were not tempered with in any way. Google DKIM can verify any of them as authentic.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html

Then come up with a better source.

Binney is a crackpot who has no more information than you or I. He's 74 and hasn't been in the NSA since 9/11. His knowledge on cyberespionage is extremely out of date.

Wikileaks is a fantastic source. They have never lost a single lawsuit and have never, ever had to print a retraction about anything they have claimed or publish. Not one single major news entity or government agency can claim the same. .... Both wikileaks and Assange have stated repeatedly that Russia had nothing to do with either leaks. They know their sources.

They also stated that they had no communications with the Trump team. That was a lie.

They claimed they were going to release a major dump about Putin and the oligarchs in 2010. That was a lie.

I do enjoy that it's harder to use "conspiracy theorist" as an insult when the Russian conspiracy theories dominate the news.

What evidence do you have? Have you realized that the US has participated and rigged foreign elections 10 times as much. Where's the outrage on that? So let's say Russia bought ads, who literally gives a flying fuck? Sure it may have "influenced" and election, but it didn't rig the election.

I couldn't have said it any better myself if I was trying to defend Trump and Russia at all costs.

Yeah because me and 50% of American voted for him.

Number's way off, comrade.

You counting the tens of thousands of illegal and dead people votes?

Yes I saw the "evidence" of all those illegal votes on twitter as well. Very compelling stuff.

Just like the evidence of Russian collision. Ooh wait, you mean the indictments that had nothing to due with collusion but rather lying to the fbi? Ooh those ones?

I actually think it's great that people like you (you know...morons) are so deep in denial and dismissing everything as a hoax. Us normal, globalist, cucklord shills have been following the story for a long time and have seen the steady progression and can clearly see this doesn't end well for Trump and his family. Meanwhile you guys are jerking each other off, listening to 4chan LARPers and convincing yourself Mueller is going after Hillary. The spin you're going to have to pull out of your ass will be fun to watch.

Sounds good chief.

Removed. Rule 10.

Yep, Trump got 161 million votes (50% of America's population) in an election where 139 million people voted. That's a 100% true, no possible way it's wrong, fact. /s

Jesus fucking christ, this is some North Korea level bullshit.

You are clueless.

Seth Rich actually WORKED at the DNC in Tech. He was a Bernie supporter.

AND the recipient of the emails, Julian Assange SAID with 99% confidence to the listener, that it was Seth Rich and others with him that gave Wikileaks the DNC emails.

What's your "proof?" James Clapper who lied under oath to congress about NSA surveillance that was proven to be a lie by Snowden?

The 17 intelligence agencies that Hillary touted during the debates? Turns out that was only 3 AND

None of the 3 agencies can say for CERTAIN that Russia did it.

SO STFU!!!

Seth Rich actually WORKED at the DNC in Tech. He was a Bernie supporter.

AND the recipient of the emails, Julian Assange SAID with 99% confidence to the listener, that it was Seth Rich and others with him that gave Wikileaks the DNC emails.

Theres no evidence seth was a bernie supporter. Assange has also said 100000 times he would never reveal a source, and said his reason for bringing up seth rich. So you should be a little clearer in saying "he gave an extremely slight nod when asked a question in an interview before giving an answer that was disagreeing with what I think the nod meant"

So if you take assange at his words and actions, rather than body language in an interview, he's never indicated seth rich was the source.

It's also worth remembering that the sources are supposed to be anonymous to begin with, so assange not knowing if seth rich is even the leaker or not is entirely possible, and would fit with all of his actions.

Theres no evidence seth was a bernie supporter.

There is tons of evidence. His twitter and instagram accounts under "panda" or something all showed he was a Bernie supporter.

Assange has also said 100000 times he would never reveal a source,

Right and he didn't. He did strongly suggest many times it was Seth AND others. If he conclusively said it, then the OTHER conspirators could be prosecuted. It is a crime after all to steal emails and give them to wikileaks. You do know that right?

And again. You provide absolutely no proof that it was Russia. Tell me why you're so sure?

There is tons of evidence. His twitter and instagram accounts under "panda" or something all showed he was a Bernie supporter.

Lol not even true. There was one reddit account called "pandas4bernie" that was alleged to be Rich, but nothing connects them besides the name.

No, his accounts had nothing to with bernie, there were some falsely attributed to him "pandas4bernie" which there was never any evidence of a connection to him, and the account was always stated as being more than one person, and reactivated to say it wasnt seth rich(and prolific anti-russiagater and seth rich conspiracy theorist knew one of them and said the account wasnt seth rich)

seth's verified accounts were panda4progress on twitter, and megrimlock4 on reddit, which had a couple posts defending the dnc but nothing pro bernie or hillary

If assange really got those emails from seth rich, why doesnt he just say it? Why give hints that are in no way definitive one way or the other?

Its almost like hes trying to deceive you...

This is taking about the DNC leaks, and the fact that they came from inside the DNC and were not hacked, they were leaked. The transmission times of the file movement precludes them being hacked from an outside source, therefore, not Russia, therefore, an insider. Most likely Seth Rich.

Far more evidence that it was Seth Rich than Russians, in fact there is zero evidence that Russia had anything to do with the DNC Leaks.

Care to cite those "transmission times" and why they rule out an outside source?

Somewhere in the 20 Mbps range, of courts there is disagreement about this and some say that it doesn’t mean anything, but some say otherwise.

If you're going to use the forensicator analysis, you have to ignore the fact that the date guc 2.0 attributes to the file being transferred at those speeds is months after the files were already stolen. Isn't it more likely that the files were hacked and then copied multiple times? That makes more sense to me than the files being copied from the server months after the DNC knew they were hacked.

I honestly don’t know. There’s a tremendous amount of conflicting evidence going back and forth on this, and it seems pretty much impossible to define a conclusive narrative. It’s essentially a mystery, and it seems like the amount of faith one has in the establishment determines ones position on it all.

I saw the cheating and lying on the part of HRC and the DNC, along with her MSM allies, so I have less trust in their side of the story. SO far they haven’t proved to me in anyway that they were hacked, and their resistance to handing over the servers to the FBI bothers me quite a bit.

If they were really interested in getting to the bottom of this and proving they were hacked by Russia, they would give those servers up and we’d get an open and transparent review of what happened. They haven’t done that so I’m dubious.

That's all fine, you can feel how you want to, but that doesn't change the fact that the forensicator is completely omitting that the metadata being used to prop up the impossibility of that high of an upload speed applies to a date months after the files were stolen, by either hacking or leaking. I'm not saying it seals the case either way, but it is a dishonest thing to say that it disproves the hack because it isn't even in reference to the time period the hack/leak occured.

I challenge your assertion that there is more evidence for the Russia stuff than the Seth Rich stuff. Where is your evidence? What explicitly happened?

You won't get a response, but I'd like to hear it from him too. Is he forgetting the part where there's proof that the hack wasn't Russian in the metadata the emails contained?

http://www.businessinsider.com/evidence-russia-meddled-in-us-election-2017-6

This is a very good summary. You should read it.

"So much more"

God, you are the word.

I can't stand anything you post Joey, you live in that bubble.

With Seth Rich, there is a clear series of events.

With the "muhhh Russia" there is nothing other than: 17 intelligence agencies!

I feel bad for the family of Seth Rich who have had to endure his early death and the ongoing insult to his son's memory that is this stupid conspiracy about him being propagated to protect Trump and the Russians.

No you don't.

Not even the DNC does.

If you cared, you would take off the rose-tinted glasses and see the world of politics HOW IT REALLY WORKS.

None of what you said changes how Seth Rich died and what conclusions may be drawn from that. And how come this mountain of evidence never seems to come to anything concrete? The only collusion we've seen has been between team Trump and ISRAEL. But as soon as Israeli involvement becomes apparent we see true bipartisanship; both sides say "move along, citizens! Nothing to see here..."

go back to sleep fool! good vs evil is already winning and you'll benefit even being asleep unfortunately

are you familiar with what the (Russia stuff) is? there is strong evidence that due to the size and speed of the download from files passed on to wikileaks, they would have had to have been copied from close to the source, indicating an insider not a hack. also Julian Assange's hints at Seth Rich's murder being an assassination and putting a reward up for information leading the capture of his murderers. he also said unequivocally that it was not a state or country that was responsible for the leak. so i would say that the evidence points to an individual within the DNC. I would also say that H.R.C has a much closer connection to Russian collusion through the Uranium deal, dodgy deal, dodgy payoffs to the Clinton foundation and a dodgy cover up. looking at the facts , i would say there is a worse smell hanging over H.R.C. What do you think?

There is no evidence suggesting collusion between the Russian Govt. and the Trump Administration being helped into power, there are facts that can be interpreted as such if you have come to the conclusion that they did before seeing the evidence, once you have done that all evidence helps point the way you believe, dont fall into that trap.

The evidence surrounding Seth Rich is much greater, we know he was murdered in cold blood with no other motive, he had all of his belongings on him, the media has covered this fact up with further backs up the fact he was murdered and he was also in a position on the DNC to leak these emails between the party once he discovered that the DNC conspired with Hillary Clinton and rigged the primaries against Sanders.

The Russian Narrative was spun up at this point by the DNC to maintain the DNC voting base and reputation, otherwise they would have been politically destroyed, it is a look over there to Russia, not over here at what's actually going on. Why else do you think the DNC refused the FBI to investigate their servers? Most likely because the FBI would have uncovered that it was internal within the DNC and Seth Rich.

In terms of the 'Russia Connections', Trump said his entire campaign that he wanted a closer relationship with Russia, most likely to fulfill his promise of trade and a stronger economy as the rest of the Western world has sanctions on them, the first to break the sanctions would have extreme potential economically from Russia's vast resources. Therefore he hired people who had previous contact with Russia as to get advice on how to befriend them and also how to use them for American interests. Keep your enemies closer than your friends, have you never heard that saying before? Especially when you friends can be used as enemies.

And also, if the entire mainstream narrative is that something happened, you can usually trust that the truth is the complete opposite.

Because this is a thread about Seth Rich. A man who died for his efforts to expose the DNC and his sacrifice has fallen largely on deaf ears.

There are 999999999 other places for you to cry, "what about the other side REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Allegedly (and with no evidence outside of speculation and accusations from other parties that stand to gain from the accusations).

Or, I mean, REEEEEEEEEEE.

Because the Seth Rich accusations existed before Russia Collusion claims did. The Russia collusion claims were in response to Seth Rich.

I don’t think I know the whole picture here and don’t claim to but I’ve had my ear to the ground since the Iowa Caucuses when over half my voting pool (happened in a HS auditorium) voted Bernie and Hillary was deemed the winner because how they weighed the districts.

If you look up the google search analytics for “Seth Rich DNC” and compare them to “Russia DNC” you’ll see a huge gap. Though I’m not doing your work for you.

That is not even remotely true. Do you have any timeline backing up that assertion?

Yes, my own memory.

Like i said, I’m not doing YOUR work for YOU.

Good, I just did the work, see the edit to my original comment.

It's very clear you don't have your ear to the ground.

• June 14, 2016: The DNC announces that it was hacked by the Russians. Here is one of many Reddit posts from that day discussing the possibility of collusion.
• July 10, 2016: Seth Rich was killed.

because right wingers need to protect Trump

but tribalism and elitism doesn't fit in that narrative, I (they) have to be right and on the inside. To be fair, having some highly conflated troglodytes around to see these posts botted are fucking hilarious.

Similar with the Anthony Weiner sexting and sending dick pics to a minor. Not to mention he's married to Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign Vice Chair and Secretary of State Chief of Staff. Normies have no idea about any of that or Seth Rich.

FACT: there is more evidence that Trump colluded with Russia than there is evidence that Rich was shot as a part of a conspiracy.

FACT: Most of the evidence for Trump collusion was fabricated whole cloth by the DNC and Fusion GPS.

Bro we have Jr.'s emails. We already know they attempted to collude. The question now is how much and who knew. There is no if

Gotcha. So the people on conspiracy have bought the despicable excuse for Hillary's loss hook line and sinker. Nah, this is an organized forum takeover by political ops. We see you.

I never said anything about Hillary. Your obsession with her is strange. We have the Trump emails. We know there was attempted collusion at the very least. Going off of only Jr.'s emails.

Hillary lost because she sucked, 90% of people agree on this. It doesn't mean Trump didn't also collude.

Right, and when Christopher Steele, completely on his own, for years prior gathered information on this subject, and then brought it to the FBI in Summer of 2016, he did this knowing that Hillary was going to lose, and then they waited until January of 2017 to release it to tip the scales of the election that already happened. That makes sense.

How about the fact that Trump still hasn't signed the sanctions that congress overwhelmingly passed? How about the fact that Trump will literally shit all over any world leader, or person for that matter, about the smallest things, yet only sings Putin's praises?

And most of all, the collusion that DID happen, and Mueller knows about because both Flynn and Papadapolous have flipped - changing the RNC platform to ease up on Russia and sanctions around the time of the convention. Plus we now have evidence that Flynn was speaking to the Russians (which he lied about) about sanctions (which he also lied about) in December, actively undermining the current administration, with a hostile government, openly violating the Logan Act.

Trump knew for days that Flynn had lied to the FBI before he fired him, and has not given a reason as to why he waited so long. At the time he claimed Flynn was fired for lying to Pence, but then when Flynn got indicted, Trump claimed he was fired for lying to the FBI.

You don't have all these "coincidences", Trump reps speaking with Russian reps, meeting with them, not taking a stronger stance on Russian interference, which we know happened, regardless of whether it was Pro-Trump or not, we know for a fact that the Russians hacked voting machines and actively sought to undermine our election, and are going to continue doing this in the future, yet the current administration is doing nothing to stop it, or punish it. Why again is this, if not a quid pro quo, or collusion?

Collusion is the least of Trump's worries, he's publicly obstructed justice, and Mueller has his bank records, which going back for years will show all the dirty deals and money laundering he's done. The deep state didn't force Trump to work with Russian mobsters in the 90s and 2000s. The deep state and media didn't tell Trump to accept dirty money for the funding of Trump Soho. Keep defending him, it's working out great.

Did you actually read the dossier? It looks like a 6th grader wrote it. Try harder deep state. You aren't getting the conspiracy community to go along with your manufactured lies.

Yes I read the dossier, and no it doesn't look like a 6th grader wrote it, it looks like a life long spy, one of the most knowledgable people with the best sources on the planet for this topic, wrote it.

Name one lie that's on it? And also you never answered why the "Deep state" and democrats made Trump make all those sketchy business deals and work with Russian mobsters for almost 20 years.

You haven't read it then. They didn't even spell the name of the Russian bank correctly. Its all a sham.

Why are you on the conspiracy board pushing the deep state establishment narrative so fervently?

So spelling errors means it's all a fraud? I got some bad news about Tsar Trump for you then....

And if the "deep state" was so powerful and all mighty, and wanted nothing to do with Trump, then why release the dossier after the election, especially if "it was fake"? What good will that do? Plus, Trump was told in the Summer of 2016 that the Russians were working to undermine our election process. If the almighty and powerful deep state was so concerned, and as lawless as so many believe, why not rig the election results to make Hillary win? Trump won by tiny margins in WI, MI, and FL (because ballots weren't counted, but that's a different story), if the almighty deep state could sway elections, how come they didn't?

It was the "insurance policy."

Well if that was the case (it wasn't), it was damn good one that continues to have its claims verified and proven.

The issue with the dossier, and this goes for ALL intelligence reports, isn't "is it real or fake", but "how much of it is real, and how much is fake", and Steele (who has no financial or political interest in this, and has only suffered since it was published, having to hide out with his family) claims that 70-90% is real.

Plus, if it was "the insurance policy", why was it initially funded by Republicans, long before the primaries were finished? Most likely a republican who is currently going along with the Trump regime. And how about the separate investigations that are going on in NY, that started back in 2015? Investigations that have been going on when Trump either wasn't running, or was thought of as a joke and wouldn't last the end of the year? Insurance policy? Sure....

Deny it all you want, say that the FBI is corrupt all you want, throw out "deep state" like it doesn't really apply to neo-cons, but when you have the former NSA cooperating with the FBI and admitting to lying to them, as well as a former campaign advisor (Gates), campaign chairman (Manafort), and a member of the nat sec team (Papadopolous) all getting indicted, things are starting to look fishy.

Citation needed. All evidence points to a fake dossier paid for by the DNC and Google. Try again loser.

Lol, no evidence points to that, where are your citations? And it's been admitted that it was paid for by Republicans!

Read the news. Not CNN or MSNBC. But look at the actual facts. True Pundit is a great resource for the facts of this investigation. Your script is old, bro. And your deep state game is stale and your time is up.

LMAO! I love how you think all "deep state/establishment shills" only read/watch CNN or MSNBC, and you know, not the hundreds of other sources that have verified parts of the Dossier.

Let's take Miss Hungary into account, who in July 2016 so before the Dossier came out, admitted that Trump tried to proposition her at the Ritz in Moscow in 2013. The same hotel that Trump, following the publishing of the Dossier, claimed he knew "was bugged" so he wouldn't have invited prostitutes up to piss on the bed, which he totally did.

True Pundit is a great resource for the facts of this investigation.

And this is when I won the argument. True Pundit is faker than The Onion. Everything it claims ends up being proven false or not happening, and its founder, who said they were gonna make themselves public and reveal who they are following the election, conveniently never did this. You tell me to read the news, then site True Pundit. What's next? Zero Hedge and Breitbart? I'm guessing you probably jerk off to pictures of Hannity as well.

Finally, and I won't respond to anything else if you don't acknowledge this - let's forget about the Dossier for a second, you're really telling me that the FBI cut a deal with Flynn for cooperating if he didn't have information to give them pertaining to their investigation? And given that his list of bosses was very short (Trump, Pence basically), who is the FBI getting him to give info about? Same with Papadopolous, who in March of 2016 Trump said the following about:

FREDERICK RYAN (WaPo): Thank you… We’ve heard you’re going to be announcing your foreign policy team shortly… Any you can share with us?

TRUMP: Well, I hadn’t thought of doing it, but if you want I can give you some of the names… Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page, PhD; George Papadopoulos, he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group.

But yeah, Papadopolous was just the coffee boy, and the deep state made up this interview back in March 2016, and actually, little known fact, forced Trump to say those words.

I also have yet to see any of your "proof" that the Dossier is not true, and don't bring Cohen's passport into this.

Do you get paid by the word or the post?

Says the 2 week old account...

Account age means nothing nowadays. Everyone knows you can buy old accounts in bulk. What is obvious is the amount of shilling and botted downvotes in this board. We all see you.

See me? haha ok random word random word plus number aka the russian troll formula.

2 week old account who only posts stuff defending the current administration on a conspiracy board... we do see you. Post a time stamped picture of where you are right now.

lol wat I value my privacy that's why I use throwaways.. but I am also not an asshole so I don't go into communities with the sole goal of distraction and dividing. you're not welcome here.

Interesting take, Boris. I'd say your account shows the exact opposite, and I'm confident I'm welcome here.

Ahh I haven't been called a Russian shill since the Democratic primary. Memories...

That tactic still won't work though. ;)

Neither will insta-downvoting my posts calling you out on your bullshit lol. You'll be seen and tagged by people who know what's up with you fellas out there in the tundra.

Go ahead and tag me and follow me everywhere I know your tactics and I'm not afraid. You can go straight to hell.

Follow you lol. Na, man. I'll be back to using my account in other subs talking about other things long after you abandon yours and make another one to make sure you keep the pro-administration narrative going. See ya there, kiddo!

Its called the TRUTH. I don't deal in narratives. Bye.

This is like dealing with a flustered call center employee lol.

So you're familiar with being an asshole to call center employees then? Makes sense.

The sad thing is you could be arguing with and getting angry at a piece of "Persona Management Software" and not realize it.

Still haven't responded to my questions about the "falseness" of the dossier, nor the ones that don't pertain to the dossier.

Believe it or not, there are people in this country who act independently of their government. But you're right, I'm not one, I get paid by the deep state. Usually they give me free coupons to this "Comet Ping Pong Pizza" place in DC, haven't been yet, but I heard good things. Occasionally I'll get vials of blood from christians (even though I am one), and tears of those oppressed individuals who couldn't say "merry christmas" for 8 years (the horror!!!). Once I got the honor of getting to lick George Soros' balls because all true deep staters live for that opportunity. However, my favorite form of payment is watching the dotards who shill for Tiny Hands Trump fall apart when they are challenged with facts and asked to present their side of the story. That and the daily "thank you" notes I get from ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups for my participation in ruining the United States. The deep state is really awesome, I suggest you sign up.

To anyone reading this, Go ahead and read the dossier for yourself. These people expect you to be lazy and not read the info so it makes their job of telling you what to think and feel about it even easier. you'll know its fake after the first page.

Finally, something we can agree on, everyone go and read the dossier for yourself (and when you do, please keep this in mind about intelligence reports, it's not a question of "is this real or fake", but "how much of this is real and how much is fake"):

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Then read up on who funded it, when Steele first started gathering info (before it was funded), why Steele went to the FBI with this (spoiler alert: because he was afraid for our democracy), and how much of it has been proven true.

And I'm still waiting for anyone to refute anything in the Dossier other than Cohen claiming he wasn't in Prague cause it didn't match his passport. That could very well be in the 10-30% that Steele says isn't accurate. And if people are wondering why there is inaccurate information, read up on Canary Traps and then read up on the multiple Russian officials who died in 2017. And yes, you read right, that link is from the CONSERVATIVE Washington Examiner.

What emails are these? You got them?

Hmmm, maybe the ones Don Jr released himself:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015d-323f-dfb7-a37d-be7fce250000

Love how I'm getting downvoted for simply asking for something. You guys really are amazing x x

Cheers dude

Because this shit is well known and you are either pathetically uninformed or not discussing in good faith/question trolling.

Lol, get a grip.

So do you now acknowledge that there is evidence of collusion?

One of the biggest stories of 2017. If not the biggest. Right up there with firing Comey.

Til Jr. is Donald Trump

Not the same person bud

Sure but Jr. Was a key member of the campaign. And if kush, Jr., and Manafort where all in a meeting you can bet your ass Trump knew about it.

But theyre talking about trump. Not his cmapaign

FACT: writing fact before something does not make it true

If it's what you say I love it.

And not the two felons we already have from the Russian investigation? With two more indictments and more to come? Yeah, "nothing to see here."

Two felons? Lolwut

Michael Flynn, plead guilty to a felony. George Papadapolis, plead guilty to a felony. Lying to the FBI is a felony.

And how does this prove that Trump colluded with Russia?

How you do about 30 seconds of research and see what they lied to the FBI about? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with "contact with Russians."

This is not proof of anything.

I think you dont know what that word, "proof" means.

Keep your Russian propaganda to the default subs. We aren't buying it here.

That is objectively false

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

The download speeds were too fast to be a hack and therefore must've been downloaded locally.

The download speeds were too fast to be a hack and therefore must've been downloaded locally.

That is objectively false. I get higher upload speeds than that I my house, and I don't even have my ISP's highest internet plan. Of all the lame excuses, this one is the most pathetic.

Damn how is your world record internet speed not even the fastest?

~180 Mb/s is not world record at all. In fact, it's kind of middling. That's what makes this whole argument so pathetic.

If he gets gb/s speed which isnt uncommon in some places that is 135MB/s. 6 times as fast smoking gun speed of 22MB/s.

...How the fuck is that world-record speed?

Because it hasnt been done before

There is 0 evidence the transfer speed was of the time it was removed from the dnc server, it is only the speed of the last time it was copied. So that information is irrelevant to proving what you want.

Sorry but I think I'll believe the expert

Where does the expert address the point I made? You should check out the original report, it is very limited in what conclusions you can draw from it, which is why even many in vips dissented

In the entire article

So don't want to bother reading then?

let me be clearer, I'll give you a possible chain of events, and you tell me where that article disproves it, if it doesn't, then it isnt' proving anything regarding if it was a hack or leak.

Hacker compromises computer A on DNC network, copies DNc files to it. Then transfers files to computer B in russia/romania/america/the moon, that is set to eastern time. Hacker or wikileaks intermediary goes on computer b, inserts a flash drive, and copies all the files to it with the cp command.

you could insert 1000 extra copies before the last step, result is the same.

This is the most bull crap thing I have read all day. Just stop.

Yeah, no, there is 0 evidence for Trump-Russia collusion (collusion meaning Trump campaign offered something in return for help).

How do you have negative evidence?

Why does my account age matter?

I was complimenting it. Why didnt you answer my question?

I don’t understand if you’re asking about Trump or Rich

Negative evidence that Seth rich was part of some DNC leak? No that's zero evidence. The evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia is now in the arena of proof. Now it's just a matter of whether Trump himself knew and how much cooperation the authorities and get out of Junior and Kushner.

He didnt say campaign

Man this thread! Lol so many DNC Hillary defenders.

There's not one shred of evidence of Trump/Russia collusion.

There were definitely a lot of dealings with Russia during the campaign they tried to cover up. They even admitted to meeting with a Russian lawyer under the assumption that they thought she could provide them with damaging information against Clinton, that it may have been a part of a Russian government intelligence program, and that they left the meeting early when she wanted to talk about adoption laws instead.

Maybe nothing that's been revealed rises to the level of collusion in your opinion, but it does raise red flags for me as to why they tried to keep so many of their foreign contacts secret if it wasn't nefarious, and what other contacts they are still keeping secret.

They they they they they they they.. you specifically said TRUMP. Where's the evidence (there is ZERO).

I mean, if I guess if you assume Trump bears no responsibility for his son, son in law, or his senior campaign officials, you have a point if you're willing to overlook the fact he wrote his son's statement that related to his contacts with Russians.

You said Trump. Where's the charges? You're dreaming if you think the FBI will bring up phony charges against the President of the USA.

Bruh this thread is overrun by shills. There is no evidence. Its been 1.5 fucking years and nothingggggg. His name was seth rich.

Exactly. Weak MSM following fuck boys. Trump and us took power back from the Deep State, definitely the biggest "conspiracy theory" in our lifetime and they aren't even seeing it! It's crazy. All anyone has to do is watch the first GOP debate to see for themselves exactly what happened. We took our country back.

Oh man, seriously? You should get on a plane to DC and tell the FBI!

What evidence has the FBI brought forward? Link it??

We'll find out when the 4 people they've indicted go to trial

Spoiler- nothing happens

Maybe, but if we go by likelihood this is certainly more likely to happen than the Seth Rich conspiracy theory getting any kind of real credibility... at all...

Reminder: Sean Hannity and Fox News harassed Rich's family and lied in their coverage about his death.

This deserves it's own "reminder" post.

Reminder: It's past due time we waterboard that slug.

Reminder: the alleged accomplices (the DNC) assigned a spokesperson to the Rich family presumably to cover up any findings

If the Rich family isn't happy with the statements being released by their spokesperson, why aren't they contradicting those statements?

Maybe their overwhelmed with grief and are just trusting what they're being told.

Maybe they have tried.

And maybe you just haven't been paying attention.

Yes and maybe you weren't either https://youtu.be/AZVozOKgv-c

Do you think his brother was being fed bad info?

I think you're being fed bad info- look at the dates. A month later, the family was really tired of the internet "helping". And then in July they asked for an end to the conspiracy theories.

But hey, they're just the family, right? Isn't it more important that you keep insisting that you know better than they do?

Finding the truth about Seth Rich could potentially end all this Russia hysteria and drastically change public discourse. I mean it would change the world.

Do you think the families purported feelings are more important than that?

Grief sucks babe. There's lots of things I would've done differently when my dad died, but I went off the advice of people who I thought were looking out for me. I can understand them not wanting to think about it. But we don't really know what's going on, do we?

Finding the truth about Seth Rich could potentially end all this Russia hysteria and drastically change public discourse. I mean it would change the world.

And it could be that we've already found out the truth- or at least as close to it as we'll ever know- that he was just a victim of a robbery gone bad.

And it could be that Trump really did work with the Russians to get elected. There's a hell of a lot more evidence that he did, than there is that Seth Rich was killed for something political.

Do you think the families purported feelings are more important than that?

More important than people trying to use him as nothing more than a political tool, yes.

More important than people trying to use him as nothing more than a political tool, yes.

Yes, but people like you still do it. There's much more evidence that Seth was assassinated than there is Trump colluded with Russia. We do t even have proof of Russia interference in the first place.

Wait, what?

Saying that Seth Rich might's just been the victim of a robbery gone bad is being political?!

Jesus, project much?

And it could be that Trump really did work with the Russians to get elected. There's a hell of a lot more evidence that he did, than there is that Seth Rich was killed for something political.

Is that political?

Sorry, bud.

... In response to you bringing it up, bud.

Finding the truth about Seth Rich could potentially end all this Russia hysteria and drastically change public discourse. I mean it would change the world.

Apology accepted, though.

Plus the fact you're sharing links that politicize his murder. Shits fucked up

You need it to be a robbery gone bad or it implicates your political party. They thought they were going to win and got sloppy. Julian Assange has all but stated his source was Seth Rich.

3 months ago you would have been calling us all crazy for claiming Hillary and the DNC we're behind the funding the fake piss dossier which was then used as the basis of granting a FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent during an election, but here we are.

Wrong comment? I agree with you

Dude you are fucking dense. Hillary didn’t even campaign in the most vital swing states she lost. She deliberately wrote off the largest voting demographic, the blue collar white male. Her own staff thought she was stupid for doing so. Trump filled 2-5 stadiums a day for months while Hillary had to hire degenerates like Jay Z and Beyoncé just to get a handful of people to show up to see her. She was the worst candidate in modern history yet you think Russia somehow put Trump over the top by buying $50K in Facebook ads, LOL.

Democrats know Hillary lost the election of her own doing. Any other excuse is the height of delusion. This fake Russia narrative is the most ridiculous thing ever witnessed in American politics. The public knows it is bullshit and the IG report coming out in a few weeks is going to show how Obama FBI sycophants used their power to illegally frame the Trump campaign. Their own text messages prove it. Comey’s own testimony proves it. The four FBI agents fired from Mueller’s investigation proves it.

But keep on dreaming.

Finding the truth about Seth Rich could potentially end all this Russia hysteria and drastically change public discourse. I mean it would change the world.

Keep dreaming.

We can speculate what happened in that month. Do you know something we don't but won't share how you know it? Or are you guessing?

The article I posted said they were tired of it. It wasn't conjecture on my part.

Astroturfing profiles don't "read" links unless they're programmed to or have a human at the console instead of automation running the show.

Lol look at my profile before judging it. You're kinda doing the same thing you have a problem with. Cheers.

Already done as of yesterday. No judgment was implied. Peace.

Alright good luck in your hunt. Highly appreciated, just maybe slow down with accusations sometimes. My comment was lazy not paid for.

The spokesperson is on the payroll of the Media conglomerate. Who else would sign his paycheck?

But the family could still speak out, correct? And wouldn't they have an even bigger incentive to get the truth out there? And haven't they basically begged the Seth Rich Avengers to just cut it the fuck out?

It's pretty disgusting how this place keeps trying to use Seth Rich's death as propaganda. I feel sorry for the family- first, they have to lose a family member, and then they get to see his name trotted out any time Trump has a bad day or some random Redditor wants some karma.

I personally think they would have spoken out by now if that was the case. There are plenty of things I don’t know though. We have no idea if they’re being compelled either. I’ve been in crisis situations before and your behavior outside can be very different than what’s going on inside.

None the less this will all be settled with time,

either Pence will become President or a lot of conspiracy theorists will be exalted.

Well, Roger Stone certainly thinks they're being coerced when they ask for the internet to stop helping.

And if you can't trust someone with a Ronald Reagan tramp stamp on his back, who can you trust?

I don’t care about roger stone and neither should you

I don't feel as though I know more about Seth Rich than anyone else, and neither should anyone else who isn't involved in the investigation... yet here we are. There's a crap ton of people who desperately want Seth's death to exonerate Trump.

Trump has no need for exoneration?

He certainly seems to think he does. In the recent New York Times interview, he said the word "collusion" 16 times in just 30 minutes. You know who thinks about collusion that much? Someone who colluded, and who is desperately afraid that the truth will come out about it.

But hey, I'm perfectly happy to just let the investigation run its course. If Mueller and company find him to be blameless, I'll accept it. But Trump sure seems to be afraid to let the investigation continue, going so far as to outright accuse the FBI of being biased against him.

Again, who does that? Someone who is actually guilty, and who's desperately afraid he'll be found out.

I might be wrong... but for someone who's supposedly innocent, Trump sure acts guilty.

He’s got more than 16 accusers yelling Russia, he’s gonna respond to them. They talk about it trying to warrant a response and a response is had and you act like “hur dur he used the word!! basically admitted it!”

Except that's not what happened, which you'd know if you read the transcript. He kept returning to the word, without prompting.

Someone went through and compiled all of his denial:

“Frankly there is absolutely no collusion…Virtually every Democrat has said there is no collusion. There is no collusion…I think it’s been proven that there is no collusion…I can only tell you that there is absolutely no collusion…There’s been no collusion…There was no collusion. None whatsoever…everybody knows that there was no collusion. I saw Dianne Feinstein the other day on television saying there is no collusion [note: not true]…The Republicans, in terms of the House committees, they come out, they’re so angry because there is no collusion…there was collusion on behalf of the Democrats. There was collusion with the Russians and the Democrats. A lot of collusion…There was tremendous collusion on behalf of the Russians and the Democrats. There was no collusion with respect to my campaign…But there is tremendous collusion with the Russians and with the Democratic Party…I watched Alan Dershowitz the other day, he said, No. 1, there is no collusion, No. 2, collusion is not a crime, but even if it was a crime, there was no collusion. And he said that very strongly. He said there was no collusion…There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime. But there’s no collusion…when you look at all of the tremendous, ah, real problems [Democrats] had, not made-up problems like Russian collusion.“

Why would the family have to follow advice from us in our armchairs. If you thought the mob killed your family member it would take brass balls to put yourself and other relatives at risk by speaking out.

Funny, there are a lot of armchair investigators around here, and nobody's been killed off. Maybe the people who insist that Seth was killed for some nefarious reason are wrong?

The Rich family's private investigator told a local reporter in May of this year, that the FBI had evidence that Seth had communicated with WikiLeaks. Then two days later backtracks. If these are the kind of people who would kill a kid like Seth, then they're the same kind of people who would threaten a family to quiet them.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/private-investigator-there-is-evidence-seth-rich-contacted-wikileaks-prior-to-death

Well, I guess this is /r/conspiracy, after all.

You'd think, though, that as members of his family, their deaths would be really freakin' obvious attempts to shut them up. Killing them if they talk would just completely expose the conspiracy, you know?

But hey, you're right- the most paranoid, most complicated explanation is probably the most likely. Call it Trump's Razor.

Haha. That sure was quick. I suspect the down voting will begin right away too. lol

Not from me.

I'm just putting off work.

So it's harassment to want to help solve your son's murder? Ummm. Not for normal people it isn't.

Hannity did give a single fuck about Seth. Neither do most people pushing the conspiracy. Remember Hannity supports pedophilia as long as its a republican doing it.

He sure did. He almost got fired for bringing up the Seth Rich murder. He does not support that.

Shill bots are bad

The only one who claimed that was the "Family Spokesman" Brad Baumann. Eg. A DNC thug who works for David Brock and continues to hold the Rich family hostage...

Reminder, link?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sean+Hannity+Seth+Rich

Reminder: Wikileaks put out a reward for informration linked to the murder of Seth rich.

Reminder: the brother wouldn’t let the investigator look at Seth’s laptop.

Reminder: Russia didn’t give Wikileaks the DNC emails

Reminder: Wikileaks and Assange have had ties with Russia since around 2011. This ties were ramped up in 2016 and connected to the Trump campaign.

Lmao

Let's discuss Seth Rich.

This post deserves evidence Seth Rich is involved in the emails debacle.

Or not.

There is just no evidence that seth rich had anything to do with this whole russia bullshit. All it is, is a leap in reasoning that ties seth ri check to anything russia related. That and wishful thinking by an increasingly fearful of miller's investigation GOP.

There is nothing there.

So is this like a mass shill thing now? 1 month old account screaming how Seth rich had nothing to do with dnc leak?

Same way it's mass shilling to claim he had something to do with the leak. But the claim that he does actually requires evidence.

Im guessing when a political figure just winds up dead its just normal. Gee im pretty tired now

An employee who works for one of the two large political parties does not automatically make him a "political figure". The DNC employs thousands of people. Some of them will inevitably die every year.

Yeah in obviously non suspicious conditions as Seth?

I don't know about that, because if there were other murders nobody tried to use them as unfounded political allegations before Rich's murder.

And it's only suspicious if you believe that he was murdered for political reasons, and not because it was just a random killing (which does happen). I don't find his death suspicious because there has been nothing to show it was anything more than a random robbery gone wrong.

A mugging which he didnt die during, nothing stolen and he died at a hospital where people thought he would be fine

Oy vey, nothīng to seehere

So if he was targeted to be assassinated by the DNC why did they not kill him outright and instead he was able to get to a hospital where he might live and tell? That seems like a bit of a plot hole.

Also, who exactly thought he would be "fine" at the hospital?

Why the fuck do you think I'm a shill? And how the fuck is my account 1 month old?!

Posting on the wrong axx or what bud?

LOOOOOL so you basically admit you’re one here. Nice bro.

How do I admit it?! By voicing an opinion that disagrees with your made up fantasy narrative? By not letting fox news do my thinking for me?

Again, where the fuck are the mods?!

Provide me some credible evidence that rich had anything at all to do with russia. Give me anything as long as it holds up to scrutiny.

What does Russia have to do with it? Surely the mainstream media isnt lying!

Don’t forget his doctor had ties to the Clinton and the responding officers are no longer listed on the police website!

How would you know who his doctor is? That's all private information.

He felt like his doctor was connected to clinton, and thats all we need around here for it to be true. Come on you dummy, if it feels true, its obviously true.

What's sad is the people responsible for his death will likely not be discovered unless someone blows the whistle, which is unlikely considering the level of risk that something horrible would happen to the whistleblower. All conjecture aside, the likelihood is very high that Seth's death was caused by people who had a lot to lose from what he knew and could probably testify to in open court. If it was discovered that he leaked to Wikileaks, it would make him a target for murder due to the possibility that he could be called to testify in court for all of the crap that's been recently uncovered at the DNC.

Let's look at the larger picture as well as all the details. How do the details match up with or conflict with the larger picture? There are a lot of questions being asked, and a lot of them are being drowned out and downvoted instead of thoughtfully answered. There is definitely some rather serious tomfoolery in the circumstances surrounding his death, and nothing is crystal clear. Drowning out inconvenient and uncomfortable facts does not make the Seth Rich problem go away, it makes it stink to high heaven even more than it already does.

What hospital was he treated at?

MedStar Washington Hospital Center

How far is it from where he was attacked? Pretty far? Is it the closest trauma center or is it one of those wink wink nudge nudge oh he died ones.

Not the closest, but the closest hospital doesn't have a trauma center. The hospital he was taken to, alive and talking, does have a trama surgeon that is married to a lobbyist for Clint0n, has visited the White House, and has ties to the P0destas (Wikileaks). Surely all a coincidence.

Didn't the initial new reports claim he was robbed? Not saying that's true, but I remember some bs lie like that

Hillary ordering suicides left a right

Downvoted all you want lol people are still gonna talk about this topic. Always seems like we have to be open minded to the idea that the whole thing is a bunch of nonsense, but nobody wants to entertain the idea that it's not.

The same old (actually relatively new) accounts spewing the same old bullshit lines in every thread. At least the DNC is getting their money's worth.

Might be a contractor running Persona Management Software for their own reasons or on behalf of an entity other than the DNC. Who can say for certain?

Holy shit! This thread is literally crawling with shills. It's so obvious that Seth Rich was the leaker. Julian Assange and Kim Dotcom have 10 times more credibility than the rags and bullshit these shills are toting. It's as simple as this: Cui Bono? Now, bring on the downvotes and harrassment, you gutless fucking shills.

Cui Bono

Whoever actually did the DNC hack, if Seth Rich had nothing to do with the DNC hack.

They would have massive benefit to pushing the Seth Rich narrative, because if you can convince the right, then you've convinced half of Americans to look the wrong way entirely -- the half currently associated with control of three divisions of government, who might actually have the resources to establish who hacked the DNC.

Seems like a perfect conspiracy theory to me.

Most of these shills (those not paid to sit in front of a screen and troll all on their own on behalf of an entity or for their own amusement) are employed by "Persona Management Software" that hosts multiple user profiles and has automated response management that looks for key words (depending on programming and whether or not a campaign has been set up in the software leveraging a specific or random combination of new and aged accounts) and issues responses (sometimes as simple as "?") in order to forum slide, debunk, cause drama, and ridicule in order to provide a distraction from talking about the real issues and prevent intelligent civil discourse on important topics by sidelining the issues with either bullshit or other methods.

Great info. Its painfully obvious. Thank you.

After posting in a couple shilled threads on my phone, the phone shut off and then turned back on all on its own. Had plenty of battery. Have you ever heard of this being done? I run open source software and don't have anything Google related but this shutdown was pretty eery as I've never seen my phone shutdown like this before.

This is a browser injection attack combined with a privilege escalation, sounds like. There are modules on some Persona Management Software versions that support hacking and deploying exploits. If you are running a rooted device, it increases the likelihood that such a hack would be successful. If you are not running a rooted device, there would be other exploits to gain root and do the same thing (through the baseband processor). Just to be on the safe side, I would make a backup, and master reset the phone.

Thanks mate. The timing of it made the attempt extremely obvious. We all need to collectively wake up to what is happening to us.

One feature I forgot to mention was a module that ties into an advertising account (with any ad company), that can inject ads and use zero-days and other exploits (through the ads) to view not only the sites a user is clicking on, but what they're typing as well. Mobile phones are especially susceptible to this, even if it's a completely different site running in the background. Using an ad-blocker helps reduce the attack surface the software has to work with.

Depending on the versions (again), the hacking plug-ins can be anywhere between non-existent as a feature to very extensive and comprehensive.

How much do I need to wipe? If I backup all my app data but reset the OS will that be sufficient?

Yes. If an exploit was deployed, it likely put itself in /system. Resetting the OS shoud be sufficient. If you still have problems after that, as a previous post suggested - time to get a new phone.

I was downvoted for exposing the shill's hacking methods. good God we are so far gone.

I got downvoted too. Like I was saying....some versions of Persona Management Software are pretty damned comprehensive.

Time for a new phone.

Already wiped, thanks for the advice though.

Just an observation to anyone who casually reads here, there’s waves of efforts to ridicule and make light of Seth Rich and Pizzagate and they tend to happen along the same time as other issues that affect or entangle establishment republicans and democrats.

My observation does nothing to credit or discredit the theories. Take this in to account when deciding if you believe that both are real and connected or if you believe that they are separate and ridiculous. If these efforts are not lead by the massive online troll factories, consider that a large psy op with built in triggers may be running in society.

This thread has been brigaded hard by shills.

Yes, it has. That's a good thing because the more we get, the easier it gets to tell the difference between actual human responses and responses made by software. The more samples, the better. :)

Hit it hard, shills! You're making it easier to detect and combat the software you're running on. :)

These posts are phenomenal. The shills just can’t help themselves - to their own eventual detriment 😊

Anyone who disagrees with you is a shill.

Yeah its full on.

There is a reason the MSM isn’t talking about Seth Rich.

Fox News is as mainstream as it gets.

David Brock's 'Democracy Matters' memo explains a lot about what's happening on this platform. Especially the part about Shareblue "taking social media back" and "emboldening Trump opposition". These stupid fucking shills literally telegraph what they fear the most with their corporate media links and their ridiculous amount of downvotes.

I agree that the murder of Rich is definitely a hit job and being covered up. But pairing that with a denial of all Trump-Russia connections that has been out there as public info since 1987 is just as crazy.

A Trump/Russia connection by an international businessman is not the same thing as colluding with a foreign government to intervene and steal an election.

He appointed a well know corrupt businessman whose key connections were to dirty money in Russia & Ukraine as his campaign manager the day he became the Republican nominee. Not to mention the many members of his campaign who have shown to have Russian connections. How much more smoke do you need to see to realize there’s a ton of fire? Or is this just a partisan belief of any talking points the GOP push out there to discredit the investigation.

since 1987

This is reaching even for a conspiracy sub.

Do your research

You're sliding. No one denies "Trump-Russia connections." They aren't illegal or in dispute. What's alleged is a criminal conspiracy to interfere with an election, for which there is no evidence.

Guess who sent the below in an email on Feb 22nd, 2015?

"I'm definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker"

You guessed it, John Podesta!

This thread is shilled like a motherfucker. Op stepped on a nerve.

"Seth Rich" probably has its own campaign configured in whatever version of Persona Management Software the shills, bots, or astroturf profiles (whichever you prefer) are running on.

Yup. So many 1 month old accounts just blatantly lying. Gotta love it

Which lies? I'll take you're argument head on.

Why is a conspiracy thread which months ago, surprisingly before this wave of 1-3 month old accounts, very in favour of Seth rich being the leaker?

Relay marks this as controversial. Wonder why?

"Seth Rich and Shawn Lucas were witnesses in MY case. But I didn't drop the lawsuit because of that. I accepted the possibility of dying and carried on. Some might call that "courage." And I'm 41, not 75 like Bernie, and I have two daughters, ages 4 and 6. So FUCK RIGHT OFF." - Jared Beck on Bernie's cowardice

'2 potential witnesses' in DNC-rigging lawsuit 'both died' - Lawyers fear for safety after Seth Rich murder, break-ins, 'freaky' phone calls - Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/2-potential-witnesses-in-dnc-rigging-lawsuit-both-died/#hAyTeueu2zg9rrkP.99

seth rich was murdered before their lawsuit was even conceived, it was just stupid grandstanding to say he was a witness who was murdered. And what was shawn lucas going to be witness to? that he served them?

There was no "Russia Collusion". Not because Trump is an angel, rather there was just no need for any help from Russia or anyone else. Hillary was just a bad candidate. Anyone could've beat her. Jay-Z couldn't even get people to come to her Campaign Events.

Her events were all empty if you see the wide angle shots.

Trump was filling stadiums, she wasn't able to fill up high school gymnasium. It was such a joke.

For sure. I heard she often made her staffers go stand in front of the stage, so it wouldn't look so pathetic.

Also, like the 911 memorial episode where she passed out and had to be dragged into her car, they were trying to minimize the impact of her health issues. Coughing fits, etc. So less events and small crowds.

Undeniably true (numerous examples, photographs) yet downvoted. Lol, Reddit.

If that mattered trump would have won the majority of castes votes by a huge margin.

it didn't matter to her and her team. They had the whole MSM behind her. Everyone in Hollywood. Etc. But it wasn't enough. They thought they had it in the bag.

Lol actual it was Russia shills here? Wow

A post about the DNC on /r/conspiracy?

The post will be upvoted yet the comments will be deflecting, attacking OP, attacking the source, attacking this sub, attacking conspiracies, or trying to derail the conversation.

"Organic"

I'm convinced he was murdered by the dnc

You're easily convinced of things you want to believe. Go figure.

I guess that's true

The only reason you care about Seth Rich is because of your own partisan beliefs.

It will never be investigated. Trump is the puppet of the same circles that killed Seth.

and yet parents say hush let us post flyers.

Hah no amount of shaming attempts can make us forget our research. We will keep talking.

It couldn’t possibly be that both narratives are true right? Like it’s completely insane to believe that Trump collided with Russia and Hillary is willing to murder anyone attempting to take her down ...

You’d think he had friends who would want to solve his murder. I guess with friends like that you don’t need enemies. So sad.

Damn, judging by these comments, I'd say the shills are successfully taking over /r/conspiracy.

Doesn't mean shit though, as long as the chans are ours.

I think this conspiracy would have so much more credibility if not for shitty Assange and Fat Fuck Dot Com lying about having evidence... We lost a lot of believers because of them.

This comes out right after trump says colluding with Russia isn't even a crime. Lmao you people are a riot.

We'll never know who shot Seth Rich. It was either a random robbery or a professional hit. Either way, little chance to discovering his killer if the police wanted to, assuming they don't. It's also speculation that Seth was the leaker. You know it and I know it but unless Julian talks, it could never be a fact. Concentrate on the real evidence we do have and push for a prosecution with that in Seth's name. We're not forgetting him, we're hoping to get even for him. And include Hastings while we're at it. He died needlessly too working to right the wrongs.

Read the Podesta Emails.

Russiagate Is Devolving Into an Effort to Stigmatize Dissent. An amicus brief to a lawsuit filed against Roger Stone and the Trump campaign raises troubling questions over the right to political speech. By James Carden, The Nation.

A number of entities other than the DNC were hacked. Rich had no access to the DNC emails that were hacked. Rich was walking alone in the middle of the night while talking on his cell phone in an area known for robberies. Botched robberies happen all the time.

What am I missing?

Seth absolutely had access to the DNC mainframe with admin permissions. He was their lead data engineer.

Source? Cause that wasn't his job at all, and he wouldnt've had access to peoples emails in a million years.

He had administrative level as well as physical access to the servers per his job description and duties.

Why would someone working on voter access apps have full admin access? Data analyst doesnt mean "can look at all the data in the system"

(this is also beside the point that if he had legitimate access to them, they would immediately know he did it and couldve killed him before he gave it to anyone)

Why do you have so much trouble believing that someone with a technical director level position as well as physical access to the DNC servers, who was also vehemently for fair and free elections and also a Bernie supporter was most likely the leaker?

We already know the servers weren't hacked, they were leaked locally due to all of the metadata. And podesta is also on record calling for making an example out of the leaker regardless if they were sure of who it was.

Let me guess, you're a political operative here to quell any talk of conspiracy because your masters are in the midst of covering up the largest political scandal in American history. Go fly a kite.

Becuase his job wasnt something that would need that access, so i would not assume he had it, and everyone who knew him has said he didnt have that kind of access.

Also there is 0 evidence he was a bernie supporter

AND the metadata does not indicate it was leaked locally, only that the last time it was copied before the release it was done from a pc to a usb drive, nothign in the data indicates that that copy was directly from the DNC server, it could have been copied any number of times in the month before the release and the metadata would still look like that.

I don't really think one un-does the other. Perhaps they're both sacks of shit.

Let's for a moment say that without a doubt Seth Rich was killed by the DNC. How does that mean there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia?

Who coulda thought this of all posts would be so heavily shilled. By golly gosh.

So tired of waiting for the government to investigate this. A huge cover up.

Seth Rich threads in r/conspiracy get the most upvoted posts pushing back against the conspiracy. Every time. Really makes you wonder why.

because people think its gross that he's been turned into a fake martyr of people he would be diametrically opposed to.

I don't think you can say one way or the other if he is a fake or real martyr without knowing the truth. But I don't blame people for assuming he is. There is a lot of unexplained suspicion surrounding his death.

except it has been explained, any investigation into it would tell you this

Lol

This doesnt make any sense if I ignore all the evidence that disagrees with my position

post what you got

post your

unexplained suspicion

I like how you keep putting random shit in quote blocks. It's really clever.

Let me try

all the evidence

Oh wait, did I do it right? You actually said that.

Yes I did, quit trying to change the subject and I'll show you the explained circumstances with their evidence.

Not hard to see why you think they're unexplained when you dont want to see any evidence.

post what you got

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

post your

unexplained suspicion

As of May 2017 the shooting is still under investigation by the D. C. Metropolitan Police Department

Uh huh. Guess it hasn't been fully explained yet. No idea who the killer was, no idea why he murdered Seth Rich. Until you know that, how can you possibly claim anything is debunked?

Also, I love how this baseless article uses snopes.com and politifact as sources. It really highlights the fact that nothing credible has debunked the rumors surrounding his "botched robbery".

No idea who the killer was, no idea why he murdered Seth Rich.

may have been killed in an attempted robbery, noting that the neighborhood had recently been plagued by robberie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_deaths

Its not surprising police will actually wait for evidence before declaring who the murderers are.

Also, I love how this baseless article uses snopes.com and politifact as sources. It really highlights the fact that nothing credible has debunked the rumors surrounding his "botched robbery".

This is you ignoring evidence that disagrees with you. Explanations that agree with you are baseless, but your own theories aren't. Botched robberies occur, this is a fact. There are multiple murders in the DC area every week, and that neighborhood is a high crime area. There is no evidence that Seth Rich communicated with wikileaks, nor is there evidence that he stole their documents.

But there is no evidence that it is a botched robbery. You keep pretending that everything about his murder is understood. It isn't.

My statement remains true. We don't know who the killer is, and we don't know why he killed Seth Rich.

Sure. Botched robberies happen. So do premeditated murders. We don't know which this is, and you can't point to any real evidence that can say one way or the other.

But there is no evidence that it is a botched robbery.

Ignoring evidence against your assumption. The area had a string of robberies in the time before his murder.

https://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Bloomingdale-Washington/1798/crime/

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/bloomingdale-residents-deeply-concerned-after-recent-murder-spike-in-robberies

My statement remains true.

No they don't. They are explained with more probable evidence than a political hit.

any real evidence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

Probability != what actually happened. A botched robbery being more likely does not make a political hit an impossibility.

And you really like using Wikipedia for sources. Must have been a solid C student.

You're right, it doesn't make it impossible, however when one possibility actually has evidence for it and the other doesn't you shouldn't lie about which has been left unexplained.

Are you really equating a reddit comment with a school assignment? You're the one ignoring evidence and Wikipedia is a well known aggregate for sources you goober.

Don't make me repeat myself. We do not know who killed Seth Rich, and we don't know why. Period. End of story. Don't post a Wikipedia article that doesn't say anything. Post evidence to the contrary. If you can't, just stop throwing shade.

We don't know anything that happened for sure 100% so any theory is as good as any other

Hey, round of applause for this guy, he finally understands

This is why you needed a link to probability

And why you had a hard time understanding that probability and what actually happened are two different things.

I want you to read your comment back to yourself. Slowly if need be

If what I said doesn't make sense to you, you should probably just give up on life. It's really not that difficult to grasp.

A basic understanding of probability would tell you why that's wrong so the irony is palpable.

Look at you, still not getting it.

Probability is the measure of what could be true. It's not a measure of what actually happened. Measuring what exactly happened is what we call observation.

lol, a laymen's understanding. Probabilities of 1 exist.

I think if Russia really wanted to stir shit in the US. All Purim would need to say is that they had many talks with Trump personnel. It doesn't regenerate have to be true.... it would stir shut up even more here.. especially if mueller clears everyone of any collusion

You know there are real things fucking you over right in your face. But instead you concern yourselves with this bs because you CHOOSE to ignore the truth that is again right in your face. Easier for all of you obviously but sad

It's hilarious that anything that isn't pro DNC is downvoted and anything that is against Trump is circle jerked and upvoted on here?

The people claiming Seth Rich was killed by the DNC are not providing any facts or adding to the discussions at all. That's why they get downvoted. You're not providing anything either. So you deserve to be buried. That's how it works.

not even this story pick anything on this site pro DNC anything circle jerked to hell anything anti buried. Look at any of it all the same

Russian intelligence has a more direct method of obtaining passwords, usually involving kidnapping, torture and murder.

his name was SETH RICH

No one cares. I already forgot his name.

You literally JUST read his name in the post you’re replying to. You should talk to your doctor about the instantaneous memory loss.

MLK was shot then taken to hospital where he was still alive before being visited by a bunch of unknown men who finished the job with a pillow. Sounds ludicrous right? Look Into it.

It makes what happened to set rich look par for the course in deep state shenanigans. This happens a lot more than you think.

MLK was shot then taken to hospital where he was still alive before being visited by a bunch of unknown men who finished the job with a pillow. Sounds ludicrous right? Look Into it.

Similar thing happened to former Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin. There are clips of a lawyer arguing that the hospital was 5 min away but it took Rabin's driver 22min to get there.

This entire comment chain is proof enough that this subreddit has just become another /r/politics.

Never forget. Seth Rich was the leaker. No amount of shit AstroTurf in this subreddit can fight the truth.

Man how is it. Is it bots or are these losers real people.

Both. You have bots throw out ideas with carefully crafted lies. Then people don’t engage with the bots and other innocent conspiracy noobs come in and think that all these people are real people.

Journalist and Part-Time Contortionist Shoots Self I’m Back, Suicide

It's a false flag

A "false flag" implies that something was planned to push a narrative (like "terrorists" - 9/11 comes to mind); Seth Rich was killed for a specific purpose, and all of the available evidence points to that. If it was truly a false flag, it would've been accompanied by many other things. Seth Rich being murdered, in and of itself, does not constitute a false flag. The circumstances surrounding "why" he was murdered would, but only in the context of furthering an agenda of one sort or another, and the only agenda I can see if being able to continually commit fraud and other things egregious to the voting American public; but no one wants to talk about that...

Oh my goodness! The dataset keeps getting bigger! :D

What you tell me to be scared of... Sounds a lot like Russia...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html

I don't necessarily think he had anything to do with the leaks, but anything is possible. I find the fact that he was murdered without any obvious motive suspicious on it's own. Maybe he was involved in something else, but we will most likely never know.

Russian Troll factory?

Why bother when U.S. troll factories are better.

"mindless." Heh.

Welcome to Reddit, russian shill.

It's also lot of time and adequate speed to make the transfer speeds indicate that the primary writer of the Trump squad and their Russian connections.

or the russians who used him could of killed him?

I have never really thought Seth actually leaked the emails. But the multitude of comments here pushing against it makes me wonder.....

He was robbed and shot by 2 local street thugs.

The $300,000 plus reward money is unclaimed because the local thugs are disciplined tight lipped petty criminals.

Neither would sell each other out because they are holding out for a $500k reward.

Move along, nothing to see here.

So Trump/Russia is just a distraction to keep us away from the real story which are these Seth Rich conspiracy constructions? Not!(lol) Go take a good nap and try again comrades!

I think a lot of users on this sub would be surprised how many actual human beings, who aren't shilling or being paid by some nefarious organization, just disagree with their opinions.

DWS did not order the hit. A guy named Brandon Davis did. He was the SEIU goon installed at the DNC by Podesta when DWS was removed.

Seth Rich possibly having leaked information and Trump having worked with Russia are not mutually exclusive.

It's painfully obvious that /r/conspiracy has been infiltrated by organizations with an interest in swaying the public's perception of certain topics. It's easy to see when there's a concerted effort to derail specific topics. Being new to reddit, it's disappointing to get the sense that any topic of significance is going to be manipulated constantly.

Honestly I am pretty tired of the "we've been infiltrated" narrative. Gives too many people a reason to just completely shrug off what they don't agree with. I think we need to be open to all possibilities. I've been a long time a lurker, and I finally commented on something a few months back and was told I must be working for the government because Im normally a video game subreddit kinda guy. I love conspiracies, I used to use above top secret back in the early 2000s but that place is to crazy now. Anyway sorry for getting off topic. I just wish people would stop throwing that around on every post. Its losing its power, so people aren't gonna take it seriously anymore. Its like crying wolf.

This is from 2011 (The various versions of "Persona Management Software" out ther have gotten pretty comprehensive in terms of automation and feature-set):

https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/blogs/persona-management-software-a-little-birdie-created-your-opinion.htm

The truth behind his murder could undo the entire "Russia Russia Russia" narrative.

lol. nope. even if it was confirmed to be him theres still so much more. ya guys as corrupt as they come, just accept it.

The Russia conspiracy created by the democrats is just one of the many dirty tricks the democrats are using to try to remove trump from the presidency. Of course Hillary is the one who is corrupted by Russia.

Even donna brazile says she feared snipers lol The corrultion runs so deep. The honest people are not willing to kill and have others assasinated who are evil and ao when you fight against immoral people using moral methods its not likley you will win. When going against people with no standards and no ethics and no value for human life you will sadly probably always loose if you do it the right way.

You will loose because you are not as depraved.

When i keep seeing these people dying to give us this information i get sad when i feel like its in vain. I dony want these journalists and brave reporters and people fighting for whats right dying in vain anymore.

I wish we could help them some how. Its just sad to think they het killed and shot in the back and their killers live full wonderful rewarding lies.

Its only because i believe in a higher power that i know punishment will only escape these people for so long.

I feel sorry for the employee.

Seth Rich has not been ignored. That will be soon. Sessions is rounding up all the pedos, + the deep state actors. CIA soon to be broken, and actors removed... Brennan, Clapper, and a few others.. deep state knows who killed Seth Rich, he just wants to see who he can get to sing!

Trump is pouring out vengeance on Deep State, and Mocking them... Like Elijah did the false prophets.

Can someone help an interested noob out here please? I see a lot of people claiming "shill" about the MSM links explaining some pretty convincing evidence that Russia was involved. I'm collecting info and trying to read up on this but I can't find the 'evidence' or reportage or whatever to the contrary that would support all the 'shill' claims. Does anyone have that listed somewhere, perchance? Thanks in advance.

Yes, well, the truth does not appear to be coming out on this one anytime soon, so, even if we were to chant his name (which we won't) it would not do anything to bring about justice.

His name was seth rich

For a sub called conspiracy this thread sure seems to have a ton of people unskeptically trusting the official narrative of Trump-Russia.

Bingo. This place is absolutely swarming with operatives.

I agree wholeheartedly, this whole thread is a disgrace.

Shills out in full force today.

I never said anything about Hillary. Your obsession with her is strange. We have the Trump emails. We know there was attempted collusion at the very least. Going off of only Jr.'s emails.

Hillary lost because she sucked, 90% of people agree on this. It doesn't mean Trump didn't also collude.

Right, and when Christopher Steele, completely on his own, for years prior gathered information on this subject, and then brought it to the FBI in Summer of 2016, he did this knowing that Hillary was going to lose, and then they waited until January of 2017 to release it to tip the scales of the election that already happened. That makes sense.

How about the fact that Trump still hasn't signed the sanctions that congress overwhelmingly passed? How about the fact that Trump will literally shit all over any world leader, or person for that matter, about the smallest things, yet only sings Putin's praises?

And most of all, the collusion that DID happen, and Mueller knows about because both Flynn and Papadapolous have flipped - changing the RNC platform to ease up on Russia and sanctions around the time of the convention. Plus we now have evidence that Flynn was speaking to the Russians (which he lied about) about sanctions (which he also lied about) in December, actively undermining the current administration, with a hostile government, openly violating the Logan Act.

Trump knew for days that Flynn had lied to the FBI before he fired him, and has not given a reason as to why he waited so long. At the time he claimed Flynn was fired for lying to Pence, but then when Flynn got indicted, Trump claimed he was fired for lying to the FBI.

You don't have all these "coincidences", Trump reps speaking with Russian reps, meeting with them, not taking a stronger stance on Russian interference, which we know happened, regardless of whether it was Pro-Trump or not, we know for a fact that the Russians hacked voting machines and actively sought to undermine our election, and are going to continue doing this in the future, yet the current administration is doing nothing to stop it, or punish it. Why again is this, if not a quid pro quo, or collusion?

Collusion is the least of Trump's worries, he's publicly obstructed justice, and Mueller has his bank records, which going back for years will show all the dirty deals and money laundering he's done. The deep state didn't force Trump to work with Russian mobsters in the 90s and 2000s. The deep state and media didn't tell Trump to accept dirty money for the funding of Trump Soho. Keep defending him, it's working out great.

Look at your downvotes it's not even like they're trying lol

It's so obvious, and a bit scary.

I welcome them. It's fun to argue without the post restrictions of other subs.

I fucking hate Trump but I fucking hate misinformers like /u/JoeyBulgaria more.

Do you get paid by the word or the post?

When people try to discuss it with you you call them shills and useful idiots.

either you haven’t been paying attention or this is the most stunning display of willful ignorance i’ve ever seen

So you're familiar with being an asshole to call center employees then? Makes sense.

Lol at anyone taking the word of a spy agency.

I don't shill. I'm a patriot and I believe in the conspiratorial view of history, because (IMO)it's the one best supported by the evidence. If I were a shill I would be on SJW or MSM platform shitting on everything people post there. Because, I am not a shill, I don't even know what platform one would frequent for the promulgation of SJW or MSM ideas. Normal people don't do that. Maybe you just like shitting on people's ideas, but I find it much more likely that you're one of many people that organizations like Media Matters employs to "embolden anti-Trump" people. You see, this was at one time, a conspiracy subreddit.

except in Trump's case I think he did it because he cares about the future of the country. I truly believe that. He's not a career politician. He's not accepting a salary, and it is yet to be seen if being president will really make him better off. Does anyone remember the boycotts against his hotels? Many idiots are angry over him and I really don't see why. If one didn't watch MSM, and actually looked at what he says and ESP what he does, and the mood he's setting in Washington and for the country, I do think he'll bring about a sense of Progression, responsibility, and increased productivity/wealth to our nation. My take on it anyway, but what do I know, I've only read about this stuff for many hundreds of hours since the DNC fucked Sanders in the primary.