There are plenty of other narratives in between the two main ones you point out or more nuanced ones similar to them. I'm not sure, assuming there was collusion with the Russians, that Trump necessarily was an active "mastermind" in it. He could have encouraged others or known about it and done little or nothing to prevent it. I do think he's a buffoon, but at the same time, more as a personality thing than an indication of some kind of lower intelligence. He's masterful at running distraction and the MSM takes the bait almost every time.

I generally don’t see the idea that Trump masterminded any part of the Russian collusion narrative. I see the narrative that he was compromised and basically forced to cooperate with Russia, most commonly. Trump doesn’t need to mastermind anything in order to collude, anyway.

Maybe. I doubt something like that would have been sufficiently motivating, though. It just isn’t that bad except from an optics perspective.

I’d bet Trump is more financially troubled than he lets on, and access to Russian banks is the real motivator. We already know many international banks refuse to give him loans, due to his particular style of not paying people back. Between that and his bankruptcy he doesn’t have much fiscal credit.

What about Ukraine and Iran, specifically?

You may not even realize it but your mind just went through some serious mental gymnastics to fit your worldview to the conflicting viewpoints without even considering actual evidence.

I mean, you're doing the exact same thing.

I think you imputed "mental gymnastics" on my point because it didn't mesh with your own worldview. I didn't say I KNEW anything. The statement was "assuming there..." (meaning I acknowledge there may not have been) and what followed was a theory based on that scenario. I fully admit I don't have a full grasp on the evidence for collusion but I have plenty of evidence that Trump is an arse-clown.

We've gotten to the point where CNN is hiding in the bushes to watch him golf, then spending time complaining about a van blocking their view. We're beyond cognitive dissonance.

CNN has been way past that point. Remember when they 'analyzed' his hand shakes frame by frame and kept whatever narrative about it going for days?

I actually forgot about that. Ugh.

24 hour news cycle. All networks have these bullshit one. Just watch Tucker for fucks sake. That's all he does is screech about this or that little thing

Yeah. He does shake hands like Dick. Like one of those guys that thinks he has to squeeze the shit out of your hand to prove what tough guy he is.

Stupid CNN. Next thing you know they'll bash him for being an elitist for getting dijon mustard on a hot dog or something.

He's spent 1/3 of his time golfing at his own golf courses, after relentlessly accusing Obama of golfing too much. Seems pretty natural to point out.

There's pointing out a guy is golfing, then there's hiding in bushes for hours on end like a peeping tom.

If he didn't want the press watching his every move, maybe he shouldn't have run for president, it comes with the job.

You know what else seems "pretty natural to point out"? HILLARY CLINTON IS A FUCKING MURDERER.

Breaking news, Trump murdered those poor koi fish.

Breaking news, Trump drinks diet soda every day

Yes. A thousand times yes. Could you imagine the MSM doing that to Obama? Or any other President for that matter?

I think the idea is to cultivate a sense of weakness and confusion in order to fracture the USA. Many interests want to turn that country in on itself, which would lead to the final consolidation of power.

...the final consolidation of power by whom, and over what?

My favorite form of illogical bitching is when they complain about how badly he's ruining the world and at the same time bitch about him playing so much golf. Like... if ya really think he's fucking up the whole planet playing president then you should be overjoyed that he is wasting so much time playing golfer... every day on the green is one day he isn't writing up EOs or fucking up foreign policy.

Kinda. I think it takes more of an effort to do a good job, and less effort to be incompetent. He is a good showman, knows his base well, and probably was a smart man. He is not a good national leader.

The point with Trump's golf is:

1) He and the GOP loudly complained about President Obama every time he played golf -- like he went on Fox & Friends a dozen times in the 2010s to bitch about Obama golfing -- and he literally made it a campaign pledge that he wouldn't have time for golf like that lazy Obama, before turning right around and golfing more than any president in history;

2) Every time he plays golf he sends his aides out to claim that he's not golfing, and we shouldn't tolerate straight factual lies from the White House and should call them out -- if he didn't lie it wouldn't matter but because he lies it's the press's duty to disprove the lie.

I understand... but for the safety of the world it would make more sense to just let him golf his days away, right? National Security is at risk if they shame him into going back to his desk.

I want him to golf more and lead less.

Writes post citing nothing

Receives comment relating widely reported facts

Demands sources

Add the sources supporting your post and I'll add them sources supporting my comment.

Googling “Trump vs Obama” can autofill to “Trump vs Obama golf” and you can see for yourself with as many sources as you please.

Politifact comes up first.

I guess I don’t know what kind of sources would be sufficient for you, then? You said number of times golfing is an easily verifiable claim and then I gave you one way to verify it, and access to many more ways. There’s a whole website dedicated to this golfing topic, if you were to so look.

I never made the claim that he sends his aides out; that was a different user. So... not really a good example of your post.

What was your point, anyway?

Cool?

I never claimed to give you a source for either of those things.

I gave you a source for Trump golfing more than Obama. That was the thing I wanted to prove, because it is the crux of the issue at hand in the media.

Separate my argument from that of a totally different person, please.

Nope!

I just wanted to interject with some facts about the original issue.

I dunno if the other guy was right or wrong about Trump golfing more than any president.

These facts are true.

But it doesn't actually matter if they're true for the purpose of your comment, because you're not making a factual argument. You're making a logical argument. You're saying "this logic is a contradiction." And the logic is not a contradiction if it's based on these facts. You have to assume these facts to be true if you're making an argument about internal consistency. That's basic rhetoric.

He also personally is profiting off it, from taxpayers, since it's his properties he is going to.

You think that he pays for 18 holes at his own course? Lmao

Wut? That's not what I said.

He profits off of going to his golf clubs by having the clubs charge the secret service etc for protection.

Federal purchase orders are public - he charges the secret service hundreds of thousands just to rent golf carts. 137k back in October.

Though honestly I also wouldn't be surprised if he billed the government for his own rounds of golf.

Find the financial ledgers that prove that and I'll believe you

It would be irrelevant if he did since that would come from his own pocket not the taxpayer's.

Except that Trump wants people to be talking and complaining abut this golfing just like you are doing...

My favorite form of illogical bitching is when they complain about how badly he's ruining the world and at the same time bitch about him playing so much golf.

Again, it's not that people have a problem with him golfing, I honestly dont care, but I have every right to call him out as the massive hypocrite he is for constantly bitching about Obama golfing on twitter for years

https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf

Seriously.

Just blatant hypocrisy.

Then why did he complain so much about Obama? Couldn't the same be said for that? Unless he doesn't see playing golf that way

Obama basically just celeb fucked the entire time on the golf course

There is a negative correlation between executives who golf and efficiency of work.

Not saying that golf course deal making doesn’t hold true, but if that were the case, then why was it such a big deal when Obama or Bush golfed?

He's supposed to no longer be in business.

Since he tweeted "back to work" the other day, he's golfed like 5 days in a row, it's hilarious.

His most important job is calling mulligans I’m sure.

Dear leader only shoots holes in one.

Yeah but Shhhhhhhh... yer gonna get all all killed in WWIII... just let him golf the next 3 years away.... do it for the children!

Its not hypocrisy. Trump goes golfing with world leaders. Obama went golfing with Jay Z and other celebrities. Trump doesn't take a salary, so he's not on your dime. Obama golfed more often during more troubled times economically and had to pay (with your money) for the golf whereas Trump owns the club.

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

Trump goes golfing with world leaders.

Oh yeah? Why does he try to hide it so much then? Do you really think hes golfing with world leaders more than 5% of the time? Who was he golfing with every day this week? It'd be nice if he'd ever release the visitor logs from Mar a Lago so we could actually check, so excuse me if I dont take a liars word for it

Obama golfed more often during more troubled times economically and had to pay (with your money) for the golf whereas Trump owns the club.

Oh so on top of inheriting an economic crisis he isn't allowed to golf because of it?And then because its at his private club, we are paying one of his private businesses for him to golf there. Our tax dollars are literally going into renting his golf carts from his club. Not to mention using the coast guard to secure the shoreline of a building that was never meant to be used this way.

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

You know what I would call "cognitive dissonance"? Complaining about the president golfing then doing it twice the amount that he does. Let me know when that changes and then I'll care what you think

You have no clue what you are talking about. What world leaders were Trump playing with the entire year so far that he has spent golfing after telling the country he was headed back to work?

It's illegal for Trump to not take a salary and that is paid for by the taxpayer. He is on the taxpayer's dime.

Obama golfed significantly less often than Trump. The taxpayer does not cover entry fees to golf courses for president's leisure so Trump doesn't save the taxpayer a dime by going to his own courses but he does get to bilk the taxpayer for rental fees of golf carts and other facilities to his taxpayer funded security detail. Not only does his golfing not cost less, the taxpayer is paying money to Trump's business for the privilege of having him play while lying to us that he's at work.

Your bullshit is showing.

What's to stop him from writing a shit EO then flying to a golf course afterward.

They keep all the special pens in the White House... so as long as he isn't in DC there will be peace in the valley.

He does it already all the time. 8am/9am he signs some bill then is off to New Jersey or Florida. Which even to Florida he could be there by 2pm and have all day to do whatever.

It's mostly a hypocrisy thing over a real thing.

Yeahh... no matter how much I wanted to go golfing I wouldn't do it if I spent years making fun of someone else every time they went golfing.

I've never golfed. Then Carlin ruined the rest of my interest with his golf course bit

With that logic I would be upset with my uber driver driving like an asshole and would feel better if he took his hands off the wheel. You can fuck up plenty by slacking off in a job as important as his. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy

Yeah... or like wishing the pilot of the plane you were riding in would crash.

Inaction can be as bad as action, there are scores of departments without proper staffing. There is the 'starve the beast' philosophy of governance but its different from just kind of doing a shit job.

Is this topic on the front page? It feels awfully front pagey around here lately.

The real reason he plays golf is because that's how business is done. More business is done on the course than in the board room. That, and you can't bug a golf course or Mar-a-lago like the White House.

I have a copy of First off the Tee - Presidential Hackers, Duffers, and Cheaters from Taft to Bush but I haven't read it yet... but that's pretty much what the whole book is about. Presidents and golf.

Then he should not have gone after Obama for golfing. Be consistent, and not an apologist

I'm not defending him. I'm asking to back the facts up with actual fiscal numbers. Not just that he went golfing xxx amount of times.

Then maybe don't use the "real reason" argument. That sounds like your defending his actions.

There a couple websites dedicated to how much Trump golf's and the fiscal cost to taxpayers. Trumps golf count is 87 times at 42.5 million.

If he wants to golf this much he should use local courses to save money and not at his own places to profit.

Provide a fucking source ffs

http://trumpgolfcount.com

They source Washington Post etc.

Thank you

He's not supposed to be in business while he's president; the Oval Office isn't a board room and the president isn't a CEO. How is the White House easier to bug than Mar-a-lago?

Are you retarted? Politics and diplomacy are business. Same shit

Ya that is important.

downvote me all you want but I think Trump and MSM are two faces of the same coin. They're just playing a role. The media, celebs, etc., are all there pointing fingers against the President and screming how horrible he is (and he actually is) but they're on the same side. TPTB are giving us the illusion of choice.

Sure but to really break their toy or at the very least pry it out of their filthy hands, we need to drastically change our current, capitalist economic and social paradigm. How much can we achieve simply by voting? Bringing down the corporate ecosystem is hard and you can bet that at the first sign of difficulty people would be clamoring left and right for their overlords.

You want to farm from sun up to sun down? Sounds fun! Where can I sign up for this revolution comrade?!?

We can take all of the useless people in the cities and force them out into the countryside to farm! It worked for Pol Pot!

The Putin was rooting for Trump never made any sense for one profound reason: The Soviet Union was brought down by collapsing the price of oil. Reagan negotiated a deal with OPEC to artificially depress the spot-price of crude oil, and the USSR--being overly reliant on this commodity--was destabilized and collapsed.

I was watching a Russian analyst talk about it. He said that the "arms race" tactic of collapsing the USSR was a myth. It wasn't weapons that made them implode; it was the collapse of oil prices.

Right now, Putin (who lived through the Soviet collapse) is fighting to stop fracking because it's destroying the price of oil.

There was an article about how all the anti-fracking propaganda in the US was coming from Putin-funded front companies.

So Putin would never, ever, ever be for the pro-fracking candidate [Donald Trump].

He would tactically have to be for there anti-fracking candidate [Hillary Clinton].

Neither candidate was ideal for Putin.

But Trump was willing (or is potentially willing) to lift sanctions on Russia which are currently strangling the economy. Economic improvement is the basis of Putin’s popular support. If he can’t sustain that, he might find himself in trouble.

Hillary would not have been willing to lift those sanctions.

You left out the part where Hillary's chief of staff (John Podesta) had his own Podesta Group lobbying firm LITERALLY lobbying to lift sanctions on Russia.

There is no comparable move from Trump's side to do any such thing.

So you're being a mind-reader claiming you THINK you know what Trump MIGHT have done.

We don't have to mindread from Hillary's side. Her chief of staff was LITERALLY a lobbyist for Putin.

You left out the part where Hillary's chief of staff (John Podesta) had his own Podesta Group lobbying firm

John Podesta is not Tony Podesta. They are two different people.

You forgot the part where John and Tony Podesta weren’t the same guy.

Yeah, but haven't you seen those two sketches of the Podesta brothers in Panama??? Think about it: the two sketches were of one person, so it can't have been both John and Tony in Panama. . . . UNLESS you ask yourself this: have you ever seen them in public together? Not a picture, but in real life, because pictures can be faked. Now do you see where I'm going: Tony and John are one person, one super pedo. This solves all kinds of problems. It means that the pictures of two people were actually pictures of the Tony/John super-pedo in different forms. And it means that it actually is John that owns all of the pedo art, so people who have been claiming that are vindicated. And it means that it is John who operates the Podesta Group, so all of the people who have been claiming that are vindicated as well.

Take all my fake reddit gold. Great post.

I don’t understand what people don’t get about that fact. Trump is pro-domestic oil. That is the single biggest thing holding back all of our rivals like Russia. It is hurting Saudi Arabia.

Hillary was proven to be in the Saudis back pocket. She is tied directly to Russia. All of this Russian Collusion stuff is projection for their own behavior. Democrats are master of protecting on everything from racism to the 1%.

fracking

lol fracking and oil

They frack for natural gas dude not oil

You missed the point. Probably intentionally. At least do two seconds of research before humiliating yourself.

"The fact that Kremlin opposition to European fracking has nothing to do with environmental concerns should be clear even to the dullest among us, because Russia has massive fracking projects of its own underway in Siberia. The real goal is to keep Europe dependent upon Russia for its fuel supply. Natural-gas prices in Europe are quadruple those prevailing in the United States, and by maintaining a near-monopoly on overpriced European natural-gas imports, the Putin regime assures itself of a vast source of revenue. This allows it to rule and rearm Russia without permitting the freedom necessary to develop the country’s human potential. Furthermore, so long as Europe is kept critically dependent upon Russia for fuel, Moscow can paralyze and render ineffective any Western response to its plans for conquest, whose initial steps are currently being demonstrated in Ukraine. More, and much worse, is certain to follow so long as Europe remains helpless.

The Kremlin’s all-out effort to stop fracking in Western nations is not limited to openly broadcasting lies, hysteria, and propaganda through its official media organizations. It also engages in covert operations, behind-the-scenes lobbying and payoffs, and political manipulations using its agents of influence. Many of these are documented by former U.S. ambassador to Lithuania Keith C. Smith in a recent paper published by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377201/putins-anti-fracking-campaign-robert-zubrin

That it looks pretty embarrassing for you since there is still no mention of oil. Don't trip over yourself attacking liberals and defending Putin bro.

Oh, what a good little gaslighter you are.

The link I posted explained why Putin is anti fracking. His whole plan of dominance depends on it. I'd say it's one of the single most important issues to him. Hence why he would never want a pro fracking president. And the link also explains the lengths he goes to with disinfirmation, propaganda, and even bribery to prevent fracking from gaining any kind of support. That's hardly pro Putin.

So save your silliness, little guy.

Accusations of gaslighting as well as insults.

You don't look desperate to make Trump a good guy here as well as Putin.

Once again, no response to to the material posted. Just more silly accusations. Not surprising for someone whose narrative is more important to them than facts. Let me know when you're ready for an grown up conversation, bud.

Response to the material? I already said you were full of shit as well as the original comment. Neither of you have touched upon oil. Assuming Russia owns Clinton because of fracking lol.

You have nothing but political slander which is all you do in this sub.

Nope. Not what that link says. Not even close. No amount of foot stomping and tantrum throwing will change that.

No but your tantrum and foot stomping ain't working either.

I read what it said and honestly I didn't say anything worth your vitriol. Comment was wrong and you've moved the conversation to something else. Also repeated attacks to defend Putin and attack Clinton and myself.

You look extremely desperate. Desperately defending propaganda to make your political enemies look bad.

Quote where I mentioned Clinton. Oh, that's right, I didn't. I'm done with your silly little game you always play. Have a good one.

You take up the mantle of defending these right wing propaganda bullshit you need to defend it then instead of talking obvious shit like Russia and natural gas production. Which is why the U.S wanted a Syrian pipeline right?

How many times are you going to fail and attack people because you can't adequately defend the right's position or alt right propaganda for that matter than I've seen you do.

Is Forbes "alt right?" How about the NATO Secretary General? Is he alt right too? NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen recently announced that the Russian intelligence service was covertly funding European environmental NGOs to support their campaign against fracking. The former Danish Prime Minister stated that he had “met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organizations – environmental organizations working against shale gas – to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas.”

The accusations do not seem too far-fetched. Russia is very keen on dissuading Europe from exploiting its shale reserves. Disregardful of their own massive fracking projects in Siberia, Vladimir Putin uses environmental arguments to push an EU-wide fracking ban. In a similar fashion, he tries to discourage the US from exporting of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) to Europe.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bjornlomborg/2014/06/23/fracking-could-free-europe-from-putins-gas-monopoly/#1c27043959cc

How about foreign policy.com? They "alt right" too?

Russia trying to maintain its energy stranglehold over Europe by backing movements across the continent to demonize fracking, the head of NATO alleged. It is part of Russia’s broader use of soft power and covert means to complement its more overt efforts to reassert influence in Europe and keep countries there from developing alternatives to an energy addiction worth $100 million a day to Moscow.

"I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engage actively with so-called non-government organizations — environmental organizations working against shale gas — obviously to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas," NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen said after a Chatham House speech this week." http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/20/russias-quiet-war-against-european-fracking/

Guess everyone is alt right in your sad little world. And for the record, no one here is fooled by your little antics. Have a great new years, little buddy!

LOL I wasn't talk about right here, strawman. Those paragraphs are really funny though.

I've already acknowledged Russia deals in gas but the original comment you're defending went much deeper.

One the one hand there is this narrative that "Trump is a orange bafoon and doesn't have the iq to be in office", yet on the other hand you have the narrative that, "Trump is this corrupt mastermind who not only managed to secretly collude with Russia and WikiLeaks to cheat his way to the election just to get him and his friends more rich, but also was able to convince millions of people he was there savior."

I don't think I've ever heard Trump critics accuse him of being a mastermind. Many legitimately are speculating on whether or not he has early stage dementia. All that "15D Chess" stuff comes from Trump supporters.

As far as convincing people. That's because Trump is a symptom, not the disease. He ran with a healthcare plan that was "something great" and a "secret plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days." He also was just outed for running a fake school to rob people of their savings. If that's a bandwagon people wanted to get on, that's on them.

Yes because we should trust an average Joe on a psychological assessment they probably got just from reading his tweets... Do you actually believe this?

it's something talked about by mental health professionals, as well as linguists, who notice his stunningly reduced vocab and confused syntax.

Do you really believe this was his campaign?

Of course? It was almost completely devoid of actual substance. Just a few dog whistles for base was all he needed.

You mean people who have never met the man in his life the fact that you believe is mind boggling to me.

Nice job moving the goalposts. That's a classic move right there. First it was "they're not even professionals, why should you trust them?", and now it's "but they've never even met Trump!".

I'm pretty sure he never released any details on his great healthcare plan or how he was going to defeat ISIS. I really don't remember him laying out any specifics to any of his promises. If you have speeches of his where he does, or times in the debates I would love to hear them.

Most people never meet Trump in real life, so we have to go with what we got, which is his tweets and TV speech.

And body language. When you see a therapist you never met before they have been trained to look for behaviors and language. Its not necessary to know a patient in the sense being discussed. Besides, Trump's dad had dementia alzeimers. It runs in families. If Trump is seen as dangerous due to his diagnosis of narcissism and a lot else, and people in the profession didn't speak out and suddenly he gets information that nk is about to launch a missile so he starts nuclear warfare because he thinks hes an expert in everything..the info he got was wrong but too late, men and women and children die, radiation spreads and so on and so on. Those who knew he was unstable and not intelligence would have blood on their hands. I'd much rather have them analyze and warn us. Trump would get help and other trustworthy people would deal with nk.

You don't need a Masters in psychology to see he's in a mental decline. Go read the latest interview he did. I know late stage alzheimer's patients who are more coherent

It's almost schizophrenic in nature. No control. Self grandiose. You don't need the identity of the speaker. You look at the evidence.
Look at how we catch serial killers. The body and surrounding evidence is examined. A profile of the killer is written up based on data banks of killers and their behavior. The FBI never met their subject. They catch him/her on the basis of information and the advantage of technology and skills of the profiler and team. They stop the subject from killing again. Trump isn't a serial killer but he is in a position of killing millions. He sees it as a big thing, power. Look at me what I can do. He's a powder keg. Political party doesn't matter in this case. All human beings can die in a war. And Trump would be safe in a bunker while people suffered.

I don't see anybody calling him a criminal mastermind. If anything, the reason his campaign staff got caught was by being stupid. The reason people think he obstructed justice is because he admitted that he fired Comey because of "this whole Russia thing." He also tweeted out that they fired Flynn because he lied to the FBI, accidentally admitting that they knew he was in trouble when he fired Comey. All this happened because he's a fuckin dumb ass. Not because he's a criminal mastermind. He also probably didn't realize it was a big deal to get dirt on Hillary from Russian hackers. Again, not very smart.

He also probably didn't realize it was a big deal to get dirt on Hillary from Russian hackers. Again, not very smart.

Source? OR is this piece the confirmation of his mastermindedness?

Glad other people are recognizing this and speaking out. It’s gotten to the point that it’s just funny to listen to the contradictions.

Hm I think you’re misunderstanding what they’re saying. Trump isn’t a very smart individual. I think that’s pretty much mutually agreed upon by everyone besides his 30%.

Trump and the people he surrounded himself with tried to use Russia to aid his election chances very sloppily . He wasn’t the one who ordered Russia to hack the dnc nor did Russia care if he won or not. They were trying to cause chaos in America and weaken our democracy and ended up getting the perfect president for that which was just icing on the cake for them.

The reason the investigation into trump is even happening is he’s not a smart guy and doesn’t understand what is against the rules. At this point we know he knew about the Russian hack before Wikileaks’s leaked anything. All he had to do was stay away from the situation but he couldn’t because he thinks he’s above the law and smarter then everyone else and now he’s under investigation for conspiracy with a foreign nation to undermine an election.

I honestly don’t even think he wanted to win. It’s way more work to be President then he wants to do. I’d guess he wanted to use the election to boost his brand and then use that to open Trump media/tv and make a killing off of his 30%. Now his brands are losing money and credibility. His name is being dragged through the mud everyday and he might be impeached on basically charges of treason because he surrounded himself with idiots that wouldn’t stand up to him.

I do think the media coverage of his every move is getting silly. Just like I thought Fox News was with Obama. Obama can wear a tan suit and Donald can eat all the McDonald’s he wants. Not sure how any of that’s news. But I guess it gets viewers and that’s all that matters to some.

The only assumption was him not wanting to win. The rest is pretty factual if you’ve been following the news cycle and have paid attention to Putin’s Russia. We are the biggest threat he has and he’s been actively trying to breed chaos over here since he came into power and finally hit a homerun.

So what other part is a conspiracy besides him not wanting to win?

News is news. I mean unless we are going far down that rabbit hole and saying somehow all media is being controlled which just seems absurd and I’d love to see your factual basis on what’s happening with our news if it’s not real.

Again I think some of the news isn’t news. How much McDonald’s he eats and a lot of the Trump said stuff with no evidence but to discredit the whole investigation is kinda ridiculous

Don't forget that Putin really hates Clinton for meddling in Russian politics. So much so that Putin killed a lot of people to stay in power. Including popular opposition.

News flash my man. I am a conspiracy theorist.

Yep, all of this. I agree that media coverage is getting dumb. I wish they'd ignore his ignorance and rants, and only report when he actually did something related to his presidency. He needs to be ignored, he likes the attention way too much.

Here, let's unify the narrative: Trump is an orange buffoon that allowed himself to be compromised by Russian interests long, long ago because it made him wealthy to do so. His election was the result a well orchestrated campaign that divided and conquered the electorate through divisive issues and bombastic rhetoric that constantly dominated the news.

We have clear evidence Trump's campaign was meeting with Russia prior to the election. We have evidence Trump wanted to develop property in Russia prior to running. We have evidence Trump has had multiple Russian investors in projects for over 20 years. We have direct evidence from Trump's son that they met with Russians to collude on the release of damaging information about Hillary Clinton in an effort to win the election and the evidence he posted on Twitter.

The cognitive dissonance is knowing all these facts, on top of knowing his litigious behavior, his narcissism, his pride, his own admission on tape of sexually harassing women, his 19,000+ lawsuits, his settlements for millions out of court to settle lawsuits of fraud, his stiffing of vendors, his verbal abuse of his subordinates and his authoritarian tendencies and still elected him President and think he cares about anyone other than himself.

This guy makes more off the US government vacationing at his own properties than he gets in salary. He's managed to monetize campaigning and being President. He's as corrupt as the day is long.

Noice.

Good summation.

Sounds like you have spent too much time listening to Rachel Maddow who is not too bright. The 'clear evidence' you claim to have is actually evidence of no wrong doing. The rest is just gossip and tittle tattle which is unproven. You have assumed the 'dossier' is actually full of real intel, but it's clearly faked which is why the mainstream media refused to publish it until they were forced to - they could tell it was a dud. You haven't presented evidence of anything except your blind faith in his corruption. That's not enough to impeach him. You need facts and evidence that will stand up in court - you're right, he is litigious, because numpties like you fall for every negative story you hear because you are desperate to have your beliefs confirmed. It's amazing how many of his attackers back off when asked to repeat their claims under oath. Well, not that amazing actually. Trump got in because any one with a brain could see that Hillary is a crook.

This is a brilliant rundown and op is not smart enough to understand.

Stop listening to the media

Because you can be a loud obnoxious dumbass in some areas and still be smart enough to succeed in others. He can be dumb as a rock regarding science, history,the English language, how to dress, and common decency. Yet hes very media saavy, he knows how to play a room,he was even entertaining on the Apprentice, and was smart enough to tap into an untapped market of voters in disenfranchised white males. Dumb people commit crimes too.

You sound like a closeted trumpet.

On a similar note, was drives me up the wall is that there is so much truthful things you could say about Trump that make him look really bad, and yet the mainstream media still insists on spreading lies about him. I'm convinced it's an intentional technique to confuse and divide people.

What you're describing is postmodern neo-marxism. It's about the destruction of any and all standards, and anything that doesn't represent the whole and the individual at the same time, which is why it ends up always being a self-destructive illogical but highly emotional mess. And it goes beyond Trump, into all the other SJW areas.

To be fair it's been the same way for the last two Presidents. The Tea Party argued that Obama was a buffoon who embarrassed America daily and was elected because of his race rather than merit, while simultaneously claiming that he made calculated decisions to push a NWO, anti-American agenda. Bush was apparently the dumbest man to ever be elected to any government position, yet helped engineer the greatest terrorist attack/government coverup in history.

Literally the only people who think that Trump is a mastermind are Trump supporters.

The truth is that he’s part of an ingenious counterpro strategy acting as the antithesis for the left wing and planning on establishing greater Israel.

with the Ukraine and Iran situation going on both against Russia

How is this true?

Smoke and mirrors they are all on the same team.

The media are not calling Trump any kind of mastermind. That embellishment is both the entire crux of this alleged dissonance and an outrageous fiction you just made up.

I was just trying to point out how the DNC has become corrupt and people should be aware.... got called a trump supporter. Can't even criticize your own party to try and suggest improvements without being labeled a traitor. People are really stuck on taking sides.... and its all cause we got these easy to hate, villainous characters on both sides.

Sure but to really break their toy or at the very least pry it out of their filthy hands, we need to drastically change our current, capitalist economic and social paradigm. How much can we achieve simply by voting? Bringing down the corporate ecosystem is hard and you can bet that at the first sign of difficulty people would be clamoring left and right for their overlords.

His most important job is calling mulligans I’m sure.

Yeahh... no matter how much I wanted to go golfing I wouldn't do it if I spent years making fun of someone else every time they went golfing.

Yeah. He does shake hands like Dick. Like one of those guys that thinks he has to squeeze the shit out of your hand to prove what tough guy he is.