there is another reason our fruit and vegetables are sprayed with chemicals! they are ridding them of the salvestrols which have been proven to kill cancer cells the list goes on...as long as we are sick, they are making money!!!

Thank you for making this post. Your views here are identical to my own, but I have never found the words to express it in the way you did.

I am actually impressed by this post as well.

I'd like to add that the vaccines on the CBC schedule are NOT tested for safety in conjunction with each other. Again, the childhood schedule as a whole is not tested for safety.

So like you said, vaccines might not be inherently bad, but when you put eight at one time into a baby, along with all the other environmental factors you mentioned, it could be a problem for sure.

What do you recommend for more safe vaccine scheduling? I don't have kids but would like to one day & would like to be responsible about getting them vaccinated. Are you allowed to tell the hospital to space out vaccinations? Or do they legally have control and can do whatever they want to your kid?

This is true for 99% of drugs.

Drugs in this country are always tested against a placebo, unlike vaccines. And they might not be tested in conjunction with each other but there's not a mandatory schedule where you're required to take drugs in conjunction with each other.

Doctors willfully prescribe multiple drugs and patients willingly take anywhere from 4-10 drugs simultaneously. Sure it's not mandatory but people unfortunately trust this approach when it's not tested or known how those drugs interact when taken together for long periods.

Oh I see what you're saying now. Yes very true.

I also dont ascribe pure evil to the people who are behind this.

I do. What could be more evil than knowingly poisoning an entire planet of people for a slightly bigger house or nicer car?

I'm sure some do it purely for profit out of sheer indifference. There are sick people out there though that actually enjoy seeing other people in pain and dominating others. Classic psychopathic behavior.

Wholely shit...

Great post. You're saying what needs to be said but for whatever reason isn't being said.

We've been mostly railroaded by a guided/manufactured dialectic, and this is nicely breaking out of it.

Good point about evil not necessarily being the intent. There might be evil in there, maybe even at the top, but it's a fair bet that most people are driven more by optimization of profit than anything else.

That makes as much sense as saying people who are against asbestos or CFCs or lead paint are anti-science.

Not every new invention makes things better. Sometimes you water the tree of progress, sometimes you collect its fruit, and sometimes you prune the moldy branches before the disease spreads and weakens the tree.

"Make everyone who questions vaccines or GMOs out to be anti scientific Luddites or something."

I have to say, I was definitely in the camp a couple years ago. I knew nothing about vaccines or GMOs, but MSM "science" said it's so and I unquestionably went along with it. Reflecting on it now, it's easy to see how naive and gullible I was. Now I think it's sad, but comical that I was arguing with others based off my "knowledge" which entailed other people's reporting of other people's ("scientists") knowledge.

great post

How does a person avoid or at least mitigate the effects of "biosolids fertilizer"? I was previously unaware of this nastiness. Thanks for enlightening me about it.

Research has shown that one must continually resupply the gut with the beneficial bacteria to maintain the colony.

Probiotics (food or supplement-based) need to be consumed daily.

Excellent point. I make my own sauerkraut ( really, just fermented cabbage ) and it does make a difference. Again, if we look at any traditional diet, we will see unpasteurized vegetables consumed. The Russians survived the harsh winters with no fresh vegetables unharmed and scurvy was unknown thanks to the fermented veggies. The japanese ferment a lot, and so do the Mediterraneans, befure the supermarkets arrived.

All the probiotics will be gone if the food is pasteurized.

sauerkraut is an excellent source of not just probiotics but vitamin c. Again, making your own probiotics is easy and cheap, and gives +200 to survival skills.

Lactobacillus rhamnosus is one of the best for this purpose

Any specific brands you recommend? I've done VSL #3 with good success but figuring all this out for yourself is surprisingly difficult.

I use a half vinegar half water spray to wash produce. Rinse and scrub it off really well with water, then give it a coating of vinegar, scrub again, and rinse.

This will get it super clean, plus the vinegar will kill a lot of the bacteria that may be on there.

As a biologist, I can say that nothing in your post has been proven false except

Unsafe vaccines and too many at once leading to microbiome and proteome dysregulation and pathogenesis of the microbiome itself.

I don't have access to databased except public ones like pubmed and ncib, but there have been many studies trying to correlate vaccination with autoimmune disorders including Crohn's and all have come up negative or inconclusive. And vaccines are one field where failure to find a correlation actually gets published.

So far as biologist can tell, nothing we vaccinate for should be in the gut microbiome, and there's no shared markers between what we vaccinate for and healthy gut microflora.

Now, you can and do postulate that over activation of the immune response causes inadvertant identification of healthy gut microflora by the secondary immune system. This is a workable hypothesis but again, the studies on this topic have not shown a correlation.

If it sounds like I'm defending vaccines it's because I am, in general. Vaccines play a key role in preventing antiviral and antibiotic resistance, and all the research I've ever seen has not correlated them to any health problem.

I'm not saying "vaccines are free of complications" is a false statement. What I'm saying is that "vaccines have not been shown to have complications" is a true statement.

Back in the days of the Small Pox vaccine, they used to officially warn people not to get the vaccine if there is a history of autoimmune diseases in your family, as you'll be likely to go down with an autoimmune disease too. Whereas now they give no such warning, despite the links between autoimmune disease and vaccination being very well known.

This peer reviewed study found that vaccines do cause autoimmune antibodies and hence autoimmune disease, the more vaccines one has, the greater the risk

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

This has been the best post and discussion on this subreddit in many many moons. Thank you for starting it.

Interesting. I'll read this now. If the methodology and findings back up the conclusion I'll modify accordingly.

there have been many studies trying to correlate vaccination with autoimmune disorders including Crohn's and all have come up negative or inconclusive

http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/on-vaccines-adjuvants-and-autoimmunity

"Add one more item to the growing stack of published medical literature linking vaccines to the current explosion of autoimmune diseases from skin afflictions to neurological disorders. A paper published in October 2015, the journal Pharmacological Research is an international team of immunologists’ roundup of current findings on vaccine-induced disease"

...

"“Vaccines and autoimmunity are linked fields,” state the authors led by Luísa Eça Guimarães of the Zabludowicz Center for Autoimmune Diseases in Tel-Hashomer, Israel. Just as natural infections can sometimes induce autoimmune disease, so can vaccination induce autoimmunity that “may be severe and fatal.”

Autoimmunity can manifest acutely, as encephalitis for example, or in a wide range of disfiguring and debilitating immune-mediated illnesses from alopecia to multiple sclerosis. These are soaring globally and together affect as many as one in five Americans today. Officials like those at the National Institutes for Health and the Centers for Disease Control claim some mysterious unidentified “environmental” factors must be responsible for the epidemic, but they obstinately refuse to look at the ever-increasing schedule of injected drugs that target the immune system.

In the paper, the immunologists review current research and case studies of vaccine-induced autoimmunity in light of the new the concept of Autoimmune Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants introduced by leading immunologist Yehuda Shoenfeld in 2011. The ASIA model explains adverse events that have been linked to vaccination since it began according to new understandings of the mechanisms by which vaccine ingredients called adjuvants take effect. Adjuvants are designed to stimulate the immune system but in some individuals can trigger a cascade of immune reactions and symptoms (ASIA) that can eventually manifest as overt autoimmune disease."

From the same cited paper, emphasis mine:

"In conclusion, there are several case reports of autoimmune diseases following vaccines, however, due to the limited number of cases, the different classifications of symptoms and the long latency period of the diseases, every attempt for an epidemiological study has so far failed to deliver a connection. Despite this, efforts to unveil the connection between the triggering of the immune system by adjuvants and the development of autoimmune conditions should be undertaken. Vaccinomics is a field that may bring to light novel customized, personalized treatment approaches in the future."

The studies for the correlation are there, they are far cheaper and easier to perform, whereas at epidemiological level it's very hard to prove, and huge sums of money would be required to fund it even for just once substance of the vaccine such as Aluminum. The pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to fund this for obvious reasons, as they would be likely shooting themselves in the feet. Fortunately experts are now crowdfunding for half a million US dollars to get the studies on Aluminum done.

https://patientdanmark.dk/private-forces-to-raise-funds-research-into-aluminium-in-vaccines/

"Private forces to raise funds for research into aluminium in vaccines

Aluminium salts in vaccines are suspected of causing a range of side effects. This is particularly true for the newest generation of salts.

Authorities and pharmaceutical companies have yet to shed light on the problem and do not seem interested in doing so. For that reason, a private, global crowdfunding campaign is being set up in Denmark to collect the funds necessary to facilitate independent research into the effect of aluminium in vaccines, including the debated HPV vaccine.

A new committee composed of national and international experts, as well as affected individuals, has been set up under Patientforeningen Danmark. In addition to believing that the subject has not been properly illuminated, the committee fears an increase in the number of affected individuals if we are kept in the dark.

Amongst others, the committee consists of the English professor and aluminium specialist, Christopher Exley, the French top researcher and neurologist, Dr Roman Gherardi, the Danish actress with a son affected by vaccine side effects, Lone Hertz, and the initiator, Mette Kenfelt, whose daughter came within inches of death in what was presumed to be the side effects of the HPV vaccine."

http://www.factcare.dk/en/factcare/

"Let us attempt to restart the debate about vaccines"

"It is about the fact that aluminium might be poisonous to the body."

"It is about the fact that it is not obligatory to test aluminium adjuvants in vaccines."

"We wish to create a neutral overview of our current knowledge of the consequences of using aluminium as an enhancer in vaccines, including HPV vaccines.

A group of prominent researchers within the subject area have come together to go through the international literature on the subject in a systematic manner. This will include all trials and articles within the field. No research has carried out a systematic review of international literature on the types of aluminium salts used in vaccines."

Well, you're gut is part of your immune system. How it would be unaffected by activating test immune system by vaccines seems impossible.

"Until recently, if most people thought about those bacteria at all, we tended to think of them as fairly separate from us. They help with digestion, but otherwise they stay on their side of the intestinal lining, and we stay on our side. But, in fact, there is a lot of interaction between the body’s immune system and bacteria in the gut. Researchers at Johns Hopkins are now in the early stages of figuring out how the composition of the gut changes in different diseases, how the body’s immune system interacts with these tiny hitchhikers and particularly how that relationship may function in disease."

And science is still in the early stages of understanding this interaction:

"A huge proportion of your immune system is actually in your GI tract,” says Dan Peterson, assistant professor of pathology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “The immune system is inside your body, and the bacteria are outside your body.” And yet they interact. For example, certain cells in the lining of the gut spend their lives excreting massive quantities of antibodies into the gut. “That’s what we’re trying to understand—what are the types of antibodies being made, and how is the body trying to control the interaction between ourselves and bacteria on the outside."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/research/advancements-in-research/fundamentals/in-depth/the-gut-where-bacteria-and-immune-system-meet

How do you not know how to use Libgen.io ?

It's your pass to access 95% of the paywalled papers.

Thank You for sharing this balanced view. One of the biggest health conspiracies today is sugar, followed by wheat. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

Sugar story reads great, this is a perfect blueprint for everything else, conspiracy is nothing more than organized crime, and international corporations worldwide are just that.

If you want a simple blueprint for starting on the liberation path, it could not be easier. Don't eat sugar, don't eat wheat, move and exercise regularly, don't go into voluntary debt by overspending consumer credit on unnecessary purchases, don't watch tv, block ads on the internet and only associate with people that make your world bigger, not smaller.

There is a layer upon layer of conspiracy around us, and it all starts with us voluntarily giving up our life and liberty for words that mask the real agenda of the conspirators - power, i.e. getting something for free from others.

Are you familiar with the theory that it's actually the glyphosphates sprayed on wheat in the US to dechaffe the husk, that is actually causing the allergic reaction?

There are many anecdotal reports of people with wheat/gluten Allergies eating wheat bread from Europe and not having an allergic response.

Interestingly enough, when I don't have enough money for grass-fed meat, I sprout brown beans from 4 days to 6 days. The sprouted beans are then cooked in a pressure cooker. No gas, easy digestion, feels like I have more energy. Sprouting is the way to go if all you can afford is grains and legumes, which does allow for a 30 usd a month base diet (throw in intermittent fasting, some greens and sources of vitamin c, and you will probably survive as long as the population )

I think at this point, its multiple factors that have one thing in common - cutting corners at any cost. Pesticides, "selective" pesticides, "selective" gerbicides, selection and genetic manipulation for storage, "taste", and manufacturer convenience ( more gluten appreciated by bakers ), etc. etc. A simple exercise will give you all the answers. "I am an asshole motivated by greed and aggrandized self-pity, I am doing this for my family! I have a way to earn a bonus by saving my company money. Do I a)push for multi-million peer-reviewed double-blind studies on the health impact of my innovation, or b)grow the existing corrupt network of inustry and government to avoid any and all possible expense? Seeing the existing policy will show you all the proof you need that they all go for b. Industrial food is poison, but even if it is all you have, eat less and live at least 5 years longer.

Oh absolutely, I agree.

I was curious if OP has heard of the idea that one of the factors in this machine of profit-driven choices was related to de-chaffing grains using what is essentially Round up.

But I love how you write about the motivational process we are seeing in almost any industry that is stripping away quality, safety, etc for shareholder profits.

All hail corporate. Long live the king.

"This one simple hack will let you see the truth!". I spent time researching wheat, I had to self-diagnose my wheat intolerance, and yes, round-up is absolutely a contributor to "gluten" intolerance. But yes, with the hack - they are pushing wheat on the market, have government support both for the monopoly, the taxpayer bailouts, and widespread use of chemicals, and are using industrialized process any and all steps of the way. Hence, it is not good to eat wheat. No need to do any more research except self-experiment. Been wheat free for 6 months, no more dermatitis, no more unstable digestion. No need to research anymore, just cut out whatever the c-players are pushing... Works for me.

Well put.

Very solid points! I think in general, any industrialized food process created by corporations is going to deteriorate the life span.

So far, widely publicized conspiracies have been exposed (as in mass-media, government hearings AND peer-reviewed journals ) for all the risk factors we have mentioned - sugar, wheat, canola, margarine, antibiotic-treated meat and dairy, industrial vegetables (salmonella, etc) industrial grown salmon and tilapia, etc. etc. The FDA and any other mass health expert have completely discredited themselves. Then again, intermittent fasting is an outstanding existing method of cutting inflammation and extending the lifespan.

So yes, eating less, not eating processed, cutting out conglomerate created food and moving will easily add 10 years of active life.

And not giving in to fear by cutting out the mass-media, and you suddenly upgraded your life to a whole new level.

Fantastic post, brother.

When I think of all the health problems likely caused by all the crap in the air and water I get extremely angry. They're poisoning us and yet we are arguing over whether the president should get two scoops of ice cream...

Yes, but on the other hand, that feeling you get by giving the finger to the system by dropping out is indescribable. I protest vote just for le shits and giggles, but the bigger difference I make is not buying their narrative. Dropping out sure saves a lot of energy. I just have to not talk to echo-chamber people, politics and mass-media dictated conversation is pointless, which is easy enough, sooner or later they ask about why I am skinnier and in better shape than them, and sometimes their eyes do open after hearing what I DO not consume.

The United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA) and others have shown that biosolids can contain measurable levels of synthetic organic compounds, radionuclides and heavy metals. USEPA has set numeric limits for arsenic, cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, selenium, and zinc but has not regulated dioxin levels.

Contaminants from pharmaceuticals and personal care products and some steroids and hormones may also be present in biosolids. Substantial levels of persistent, bioaccumulative and toxic (PBT) polybrominated diphenyl ethers were detected in biosolids in 2001.

The United States Geological Survey analyzed in 2014 nine different consumer products containing biosolids as a main ingredient for 87 organic chemicals found in cleaners, personal care products, pharmaceuticals, and other products. These analysis detected 55 of the 87 organic chemicals measured in at least one of the nine biosolid samples, with as many as 45 chemicals found in a single sample.

In the United States the USEPA mandates certain treatment processes designed to significantly decrease levels of certain so-called indicator organisms, in biosolids. These include, "...operational standards for fecal coliforms, Salmonella sp. bacteria, enteric viruses, and viable helminth ova."

However, the US-based Water Environment Research Foundation has shown that some pathogens do survive sewage sludge treatment.

EPA regulations allow only biosolids with no detectable pathogens to be widely applied; those with remaining pathogens are restricted in use.

Jesus fucking Christ how are these legal?

Awesome summary of issues.

A side question: what is the proteome?

Interesting. I've not heard of this conceptualized as a collective unit in physiological terms. Speaking of these more broad bio-systems within the body reminds me of the Chinese medicine concepts that use more broad functional concepts to decribe systemic processes and qualitative aspects of organ and tissue function.

The populace can't fight back when it's sick.

Let's go through this, try to separate reality from fantasy.

Mercury isnt, and probably never was, the real problem with vaccines.

That is true. The real problem with vaccines is morons who convince themselves they are dangerous and endanger themselves and people who cannot get vaccines for medical reasons, wasting time, money, and potentially lives.

The problem with vaccines that i have never heard mentioned by those who want better vaccine safety, who are not actually anti-vaccine, but are always mislabeled as such is this:

Vaccines are immunomodulatory substances by design. Their introduction into the body causes an immune response, which should only be to make the immune system recognize the specific pathogen in the future.

Yep, that is how vaccines work. Not really sure how vaccines working as intended is a problem.

However, some of the adjuvants and the fact that many vaccines are given simultaneously with others causes feedback loops of immune response which can disrupt the microbiome and the proteome.

I can't find anything supporting this, so I suspect OP made it up because it uses big words so it sounds plausible.

This disruption of the microbiome and the proteome is characteristic of many autoimmune diseases.

That is true, but once again, vaccines do not disrupt the microbiome, so it is irrelevant to the topic of vaccination.

I suspect that there is a link between the drastically increased incidence of autoimmune disease and chronic illness(something like 1/2 of all those over 18 have at least one in the US) and four things, which include unsafe vaccines and vaccine schedueling.

Maybe you should have listed the four things, but let's see what they are. And just so we are all clear, chronic diseases include things like heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and depression. It is pretty much a catch-all term for long-term health issues, so claiming they are all caused by four things would be impressive.

Unsafe vaccines and too many at once leading to microbiome and proteome dysregulation and pathogenesis of the microbiome itself.

I can't find anything supporting this, so I suspect OP made it up because it uses big words so it sounds plausible. I am sure there is a made-up link to chronic diseases as well, but fortunately for us, our health is not made-up, so it doesn't matter.

Biosolids fertilizer used on food crops. Most people dont know what this is, but it is lightly treated human sewage with everything that gets flushed in addition to literal human shit: cleaning supplies, prescription drugs, pathogenic viruses and bacteria of all kinds, radiotherapy, chemotherapy that is excreted and flushed. Heat treating it may inactivate the bacteria or viruses in it but they are still immunomodulatory like the inactive vaccine pathogens and have uncontrolled immune effects.

Lightly treated is a stretch. There treatment is heavily regulated by the Clean Water Act, here is a study showing the regulations are effective at removing contaminents. I don't see why this would cause any chronic diseases, or any diseases in general actually.

If you have never heard of biosolids fertilizer and dont know what it is, be prepared to be grossed out when you find out what gets sprayed on your food, including "organically grown" food.

It is literally nutritious dirt. It goes through the same decomposition process as dirt.

GMO crops that include cross kingdom genes which express novel proteins like plants that have bacterial genetic material that could never occur in nature for example. Which is why there is a problem with a lot of current GMOs.

I can't find any examples of cross-kingdom gene transfers. Usually traits are taken from similar or the same species to ensure they work as intended. I don't know what "problem" you are talking about, maybe you should clear that up.

GMO technology is not inherently bad, like vaccines arent inherently bad. Its like any other product: there are good versions and shitty dangerous versions. Current GMOs make the food better for the people selling it by allowing it to be sprayed with carcinogenic Glyphosate or they have genes that cause food crops to produce their own pesticides.

I am not seeing how GMOs are harmful to people. Even if glyphosate was a carcinogen, (it isn't), that would be harmful, not the GMO itself.

These chemicals dysregulate the microbiome which leads to immune system dysregulation downstream. Specifically look at the increases incidence of bowel related autoimmune disease since the introduction of GMOs in the 1990s.

I can't find any evidence that chemicals created by GMOs change the microbiome, although it is perfectly reasonable that changing the microbiome would lead to IBS. A much more reasonable alternative hypothesis would be the increasing amount of sugar in our diet and overuse of antibiotics is leading to increasing rates of IBS.

Food additives that would have to be labeled as powerful drugs if it werent for a loophole that allows toxic chemicals to be labeled as "spices" or even "natural flavor". A lot of these are basically addictive drugs designed to get people hooked on eating shit quality food that maximizes profit margin at the expense of the people eating said food, like current GMO tech does. Google neurological food additives for more information.

I googled neurological food additives, and found out that I shouldn't eat aspartame or things that are illegal to put in food. I am aware that there are some dangerous and potentially addictive substances in food, but their presence in food has nothing to do with GMOs. GMOs do not allow apples to make aspartame or carrots to make MSG. I am not seeing how GMOs lead to chronic disease.

I think those were your 4 things. None of them cause chronic disease. You make connections from vaccines, fertilizers, and GMO crops to things that do cause chronic diseases which do not exist. Big words an hand waving does not make it any better.

Those four things i just listed were all introduced in the late 80s to early 90s.

Its true that vaccines modern usage came about in the 80s. The 1880s, that is. Of course, they were a lot less safe back then compared to now. Biosolids fertilizer has been in use for as long as agriculture has been in use.

Is it coincidence that people are sicker now than ever since those four things have been unleashed on the unsuspecting masses? I really fuckin doubt it!

people are sicker now than ever

That is the exact opposite of reality. Humanity is the healthiest it has ever been. Also, you haven't demonstrated any link of your 4 things to chronic disease, so even if people weren't getting healthier, you couldn't blame your 4 things for that.

I also dont ascribe pure evil to the people who are behind this. It makes them rich, and getting rich at the expense of others is hardly far fetched tin foil hat territory.

Also consider what happens once people are indoctrinated into this anti health lifestyle. They end up sick and then drug companies can sell them chemotherapy infusions that suppress the symptoms of their Chrons or whatever and eventually give them cancer, giving them another opportunity to sell them treatments and seldom cures. And lets not forget how this leads to depression, allowing the sale of drugs that are worse than placebo at treating depression, but have a good chance of making the victim dependent, fat and unhealthy.

Its another form of slavery like debt slavery.

Yeah, whatever.

Although you do bring up some real, evidence supported, science, they are usually unrelated or actually contrary to the points you are trying to prove. You make up links which don't exist and provide no evidence. This is as scientific as Harry Potter, and a lot less interesting.

Who do you work for

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Oh absolutely, I agree.

I was curious if OP has heard of the idea that one of the factors in this machine of profit-driven choices was related to de-chaffing grains using what is essentially Round up.

But I love how you write about the motivational process we are seeing in almost any industry that is stripping away quality, safety, etc for shareholder profits.

All hail corporate. Long live the king.

Well put.