I don't see any oscar winning major motion pictures about Palestinians with a gift for piano playing in the slums and ghettos they are forced to live in.
Really funny stuff there. First, it's spelled 'Israel'. Second, they aren't suffering in any way that matters. Just usual whinging. They are the spoon fed babies of the entire planet.
I'm talking about denying the Holocaust, that was 70 years ago man. I'm asking why you seem to be able to laugh at that but have your heart where it should be for the Palestinians. Why can't you open your heart to their suffering as well?
This is exactly my point. So you're saying their is a time stamp on sympathy? How can you sympathize with Palestinians and their innocent lives being lost and then deny other people that same right? Who is being the hypocrite here? And why is it you think I don't sympathize with Palestinians? Have any of my words given that effect? No they have not.
Until recently realizing how absurd it is, I had an ocean of sympathy. At some point your sympathy does come to and end though. You realize many genocides have happened throughout history, right? For some reason, we are only to feel sorry for one group, because they make major motion picture after major motion picture. 9/11 used up all of my sympathy personally, and I don't care if you've got a problem with that.
Israel did not exist during the holocaust, and furthermore, the holocaust is an emotional plea for nationhood and not a logical one.
There really is no Israeli suffering. They have it pretty good as the front-organization for some really rich men. Look at all the data.
It's GDP, size, population, and income distribution. It's essentially a prop. It gets paid to the tune of billions in aid, has rival competitive tech and weapons manufacturing subsidized, and then has total media relations control over narratives: Poor Israel. ..yeah, right.
This is how I saw though the rhetoric.
a) You're not aware Israel became a state in '48, and the camps were liberated in '44-45.
b) You're making emotional pleas for Israeli statehood based on the holocaust alone - Zionist dont need anymore help with this tactic.
-While virtue-signaling about holocaust denial.
Assuming all facts about the holocaust are accurate, given even academic discrepancies; a product common to all aspects of historical narrative meeting later historical research.
C) how did this suddenly become about Israelis? That's like you asking in regard to this question about Palestinians, "why such disdain for Nazi suffering"?
Think about the logical-structure of the conversation, and your question:
He asked about the Palestinians, likening their suffering to the aforementioned Jews of the holocaust, and you ask about the Israelis . . .who are the culprits of palistinain genocide (your words), much like the nazis to the holocaust victims.
The worst part of the plight of the Palestinians is how antisemites use their struggle in attempt to gain some sort of momentum for themselves. Also antisemites seem to think of anti zionist's as their peers. It's such a mess. Its all so convoluted and avoided on msm so it just seems to get worse and worse. The worst part though, is how little the average westerner knows on this topic, or how they blindly take the side of the zionists because of how horrible the holocaust was.
That is very true. As I'm trying to explain to these guys, I am very much pro-Palestinian. Their houses to razed every day, they are shot indiscriminately. I shouldn't even have to write these words but just so you all know, I am not anti-Palestinian. I just don't understand how they deny the Holocaust. It's really not that hard to understand.
For me it wasn't the fact that they denied the holocaust, it's just that there are a lot of people on here that seem to be certain that it didn't happen. That bothered me for a bit, but then I realized the consensus on almost every conspiracy that is talked about on here is believed, and in many ways I prefer it that way. Having a large community of people that are always skeptical or deny what is portrayed on msm is actually good because it makes me think more critically. I'm sure many other people on here are the same. Everything should be questioned, including the holocaust, to get a sharper understanding of the world we are living in. Unfortunately most people explore the theories to prove it didn't happen or they don't explore the theories because they are certain it did. Both of those attitudes are extremely dangerous in my opinion. The other thing is that Israel is fucking weird and their behaviour and mistreatment of Palestinians is just going to increase the number of holocaust deniers over the years.
Ashkenazi Jews (Zionists), are not Semitic people, yet, they make up the majority of those ruling Israel. However, Palestinians are Semitic people. So, if the former is the one genociding latter, then who really are the "anti-Semites"?
See the problem is that anyone questioning the events and numbers of the holocaust, gets grouped in with the 'deniers'.
I believe there were work camps and lots of people died under horribly cruel conditions. Its the official 'facts' that I'm in disagreement with.
If my opposition in debate cant understand the difference between the two thought patterns of questioning/denying, i lose interest in engaging with them. I would imagine it is the same for others.
By leaving out the rest of what i said (and lots of people died under horribly cruel conditions), you've immediately shown yourself as incapable of rational debate.
Saying they were work camps equates it like, ok hon time to go to work. You are minimizing the slaughter and just by the fact you use that language means you arent big enough to read about the atrocities. Read Man's Search for Meaning then tell me if you would ever use work camps again in your life.
Have you got years for a lot of those football photos? I would imagine it was early war years?
From what i've researched, the majority of deaths (and killings) started later half of the war when the Nazi lines were stretched. This would explain those photos.
How is it intelligent discourse to say work camps instead of concentration camps. I don't doubt that powerful people used this tragedy for some ill gain. Does that mean you think 2 million instead of 5 million dead means anything in the end except the worst of humanity in action? Why are you saying work camps. I really want to know.
Why would "death camps" have hospitals, pools, theaters, general stores, etc etc? Also, how does one survive multiple death camps, and where is the evidence for "gas chambers"?
They were work/internment camps, just like how the US had them for the Japanese and others. The only difference is, the US did not get invaded and airstriked.
This is a perfect example. So you think Jewish people were using the pools and theaters? Am I really going to forced to even write that maybe they were for the Nazis entertainment? Where is the evidence of gas chambers? Jesus man. People survived by being strong enough to walk 20 miles a day with half a bowl of watery soup. Those that didn't were gassed. If you don't believe this you are believing a lie.
i like the part where the chimneys were build after the fact by the Allies, to illustrate what crematoriums might have looked like if nazis had actually had death camps and mass crematoriums.
How is it intelligent discourse to say work camps instead of concentration camps.
It doesnt affect intelligent discourse to hold an opinion. Infact without opinion, intelligent discourse cannot happen.
Does that mean you think 2 million instead of 5 million dead means anything in the end except the worst of humanity in action?
You're bringing emotion into a debate on fact. I dont care if it was the best or worst of humanity, that is just immaterial BS that's best left to Op-eds.
Why are you saying work camps. I really want to know.
Because the deaths attributed are incidental to the purpose they were built for.
I'm sure you're going to claim that I'm minimising it again. But from my point of view, you're looking at it through a cloud of emotion.
If you aren't emotional by innocent people being killed, then maybe you aren't the one who needs to be commenting on anything related to the Holocaust. Incidental deaths makes my point exactly. Your heart is not where it should be on this debate. If you think intellectualism is reptile logic and nothing else, than you are just as bad as the people you claim to be fighting against.
If you aren't emotional by innocent people being killed, then maybe you aren't the one who needs to be commenting on anything related to the Holocaust.
Unfortunately for your fragile psyche, I can and will comment on whatever subject I so choose.
As to the rest of your inane drivel, I'l just leave it hanging there.
This is point where I've won the debate. When the messanger starts being insulted instead of the message, it means you have nothing left. Checkmate bro go back to your flawed logic.
Because someone has to clean the toilets genius. They killed the weak, those who couldn't stand up anymore, those who fought back, etc. If you are only listening to what your websites tell you, I emplore you to read more.
Can't find anything in your history about Palestinians. You don't seem to care about them. A lot of posts regarding German concentration camps, but nothing defending the ongoing holocaust of the Palestinians.
In this post genius, this discussion in real time. If you can't take my word for it, since we aren't in the same room, than I don't know what to tell you. How does not wanting people to deny a horrific tragedy equate to wanting people to deny a horrific tragedy?
it is a very common mistake for people to make, to assume someone is "crazy" simply because they don't believe the same bullshit you believe.
like, should i assume you are "bat shit crazy" for believing men walked on the moon, or would it make more sense to assume you are simply gullible and/or stupid for believing that?
Im asking the sub for help to identify this very real problem. Those people died in battle, civilians died, and people in gas chambers died. Why care about any of them any more or less? Confirmed anti-semite.
-Bank of England (walter Rothschild purchasing lands without Arab-palistinian participation)
-FDR, Hitler, and the soviets all financed by Wall Street and London.
-mathematical discrepancies, historical discrepancies, and documented forgeries all lead people to necessitating questions of the holocaust and German genocidal atrocities. Not to support the current narrative, but to challenge it for the the pure sanctity of truth without virtue-signaling or nationhood-authority.
The truth should not be political. So, why are you so scared about questioning the numbers and motives involved in the holocaust; as, valiantly, as much as someone who attacks another who completely denies it?
For me all I can say is that I really enjoyed history but it's turning out to be a fabrication. I can't say the Holocaust did or didn't happen, I can't say the Earth is flat or round, and I can't say that Jesus Christ even existed. I wasn't there, I haven't witnessed.
The sub is fueled by skepticism. Both healthy and unhealthy. Were in the age of information and we have to question everything. It's the nature of the Beast. I pick my mission and battles on here and I don't blame anybody for believing in what they believe because we are all in our own bubbles of information.
People can believe in whatever they want but progress to me is moving forward without violence, hate, and division of people. That said, fuck the one percent (.001%)
If you can't say the Holocaust happened, or that the Earth is round, than I want to without division implore you scale back on the skepticism of everything around you.
The Neo Nazi worldview is deeply dependent on conspiratorial thinking, principally "the great conspiracy" of Jewish/Khararian/Whatever control of humanity. Holocaust denial is part of that. It comes and goes around here and will never be fully separate from the general conspiracy community. But please don't take 3 or 4 users circlejerking over the topic as a comprehensive sub-wide thumb's up on that particular theory and worldview.
Lol, I'm no holocaust denier, or an anti-semite, which you're right this sub is full of. But reddit is a literal bastion of PC left wing culture. You don't have to go anywhere.
Yes we are being dramatic. How people can deny the suffering of others, anyone's suffering, leads to some righteous indignation for sure. It's very upsetting to see. You're right maybe I shouldn't read it and just ignore, but it's just not in me to do. These people need to be confronted.
We? And you need to learn critical thinking and that people are allowed to have different opinions. I get the feeling that you'd prefer the government to dictate all thinking though.
The Holocaust didn't happen at all like they say, and that's a fact. I think you're right, you don't seem to belong here if you can't comprehend how that is possible. It is a huge lie for sure and you have been conditioned to reflexively reject any questioning of it as "Holocaust denial."
The whole point is to not universally agree in the facts as presented to us. If that sometimes leads to some bad ideas or theories, or silly conclusions such as a Flat Earth than that's okay. It's the cost of freedom of thought and speech and the upside of them two things is well worth accepting the downsides. You can't have one withiht the other. If you don't think something is appropriate or well thought out downvote and move on. If you're not willing to even read it or accept that it's okay and allowed, then just skip to moving on.
Putting people in jail for questioning the events surrounding the Holocaust is much, much more of a crime than question the events surrounding the Holocaust itself it. (this isn't just in the case of outright deniers and anti-semetics, also those who simply exercise a capacity to question official narratives.)
You started by saying that in a post the other night, questions you consider valid about 9/11 were being raised about the Holocaust, which you seem to consider invalid. I think that is a wrong way to look at things in a conspiracy sub.
There is a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies put out by everybody involved in WW2. I can't think of a single group/country who hasn't misrepresented activities during the War to either hide their evil deeds, hide the fact that they looked the other way, hide the fact that they helped the "bad guys" to profit in some way, misrepresent their efforts to do the right thing, or misrepresent their losses for whatever reason. I think I understand your frustration that there are many books on the subject that corroborate the official stories. I personally find it impossible to refute the photographs of the dead/dying, and the personal statements given by people who were actively involved in the events. I will say that for me, personally, I cannot wrap my head around the numbers thrown out there for specific groups. I do know that the numbers for some groups were supposedly ratified/estimated by some of the Nazis themselves. I also know that prosecutors and tribunals will lie. I know that people on trial will often confess to anything if they think they might get a deal. Finally, I have seen how the 5 million or 6 million + numbers have been used by certain groups to benefit themselves even to this very day. This combination of stuff might makes some people question the official narrative.
Perhaps some people think none of the atrocities happened at all. I haven't seen the post that you're referring to, but I have no reason to doubt that some of the 1/2 million people subscribed to this sub have the views that you described. I simply hate that anyone who questions the official number of the official story is declared an anti-semite, a bigot, or whatever else.
Even the official keepers of the holy narrative are revisionists now. You don't have to seek it out because it's headed your way. You can choose to ignore it nevertheless it's already a done deal and reality will trickle down upon you eventually.
This sub is sceptical of the "official" holocaust narrative for exactly the same reasons it is sceptical of the official 9/11 narrative - the narrative does not stand up to even a small amount of scrutiny.
Without looking it up, do you even know what the word "holocaust" means?
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1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
Honest question: Is what has happened in the last 70 years also a holocaust in Palestine?
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
YES.
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
I don't see any oscar winning major motion pictures about Palestinians with a gift for piano playing in the slums and ghettos they are forced to live in.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
That's because Hollywood's too fuckin' busy.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
I wholeheartedly agree with you. So if you care about Palestinians suffering, why such disdain for Isreali suffering?
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
Really funny stuff there. First, it's spelled 'Israel'. Second, they aren't suffering in any way that matters. Just usual whinging. They are the spoon fed babies of the entire planet.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
I'm talking about denying the Holocaust, that was 70 years ago man. I'm asking why you seem to be able to laugh at that but have your heart where it should be for the Palestinians. Why can't you open your heart to their suffering as well?
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
How long does the sympathy train keep going, while you've got one in the backyard? Stop being a hypocrite. It's ugly.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
This is exactly my point. So you're saying their is a time stamp on sympathy? How can you sympathize with Palestinians and their innocent lives being lost and then deny other people that same right? Who is being the hypocrite here? And why is it you think I don't sympathize with Palestinians? Have any of my words given that effect? No they have not.
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
Until recently realizing how absurd it is, I had an ocean of sympathy. At some point your sympathy does come to and end though. You realize many genocides have happened throughout history, right? For some reason, we are only to feel sorry for one group, because they make major motion picture after major motion picture. 9/11 used up all of my sympathy personally, and I don't care if you've got a problem with that.
1 ManIsBornFree 2018-01-07
Israel did not exist during the holocaust, and furthermore, the holocaust is an emotional plea for nationhood and not a logical one.
There really is no Israeli suffering. They have it pretty good as the front-organization for some really rich men. Look at all the data.
It's GDP, size, population, and income distribution. It's essentially a prop. It gets paid to the tune of billions in aid, has rival competitive tech and weapons manufacturing subsidized, and then has total media relations control over narratives: Poor Israel. ..yeah, right.
This is how I saw though the rhetoric.
a) You're not aware Israel became a state in '48, and the camps were liberated in '44-45.
b) You're making emotional pleas for Israeli statehood based on the holocaust alone - Zionist dont need anymore help with this tactic.
-While virtue-signaling about holocaust denial.
Assuming all facts about the holocaust are accurate, given even academic discrepancies; a product common to all aspects of historical narrative meeting later historical research.
C) how did this suddenly become about Israelis? That's like you asking in regard to this question about Palestinians, "why such disdain for Nazi suffering"?
Think about the logical-structure of the conversation, and your question:
He asked about the Palestinians, likening their suffering to the aforementioned Jews of the holocaust, and you ask about the Israelis . . .who are the culprits of palistinain genocide (your words), much like the nazis to the holocaust victims.
What?!?!?! haha
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Why such disdain for Nazi suffering? Did you really just make that comparison.
1 ManIsBornFree 2018-01-07
No, you did.
Look at what you wrote.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
Noam Chomsky knows
https://i.redd.it/069doyra4q801.png
/u/Specterwood5
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
i don't think its their "religion" or "ethnicity" that people find offensive,
its their ideology that the goy are born to be their servants is a little bit offensive
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7lat9p/jews_clarify_what_they_mean_when_they_say_goyim/
http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/23-20.htm
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
israel will not allow pianos to be imported to Palestine because
pianos can be repurposed as weapons of war,
as your comment illustrates
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
Oh silly me, you're right. Palestinians aren't even supposed to throw a rock at those who have stolen everything from them.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Yes it is.
1 PloPoon69 2018-01-07
The worst part of the plight of the Palestinians is how antisemites use their struggle in attempt to gain some sort of momentum for themselves. Also antisemites seem to think of anti zionist's as their peers. It's such a mess. Its all so convoluted and avoided on msm so it just seems to get worse and worse. The worst part though, is how little the average westerner knows on this topic, or how they blindly take the side of the zionists because of how horrible the holocaust was.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
That is very true. As I'm trying to explain to these guys, I am very much pro-Palestinian. Their houses to razed every day, they are shot indiscriminately. I shouldn't even have to write these words but just so you all know, I am not anti-Palestinian. I just don't understand how they deny the Holocaust. It's really not that hard to understand.
1 PloPoon69 2018-01-07
For me it wasn't the fact that they denied the holocaust, it's just that there are a lot of people on here that seem to be certain that it didn't happen. That bothered me for a bit, but then I realized the consensus on almost every conspiracy that is talked about on here is believed, and in many ways I prefer it that way. Having a large community of people that are always skeptical or deny what is portrayed on msm is actually good because it makes me think more critically. I'm sure many other people on here are the same. Everything should be questioned, including the holocaust, to get a sharper understanding of the world we are living in. Unfortunately most people explore the theories to prove it didn't happen or they don't explore the theories because they are certain it did. Both of those attitudes are extremely dangerous in my opinion. The other thing is that Israel is fucking weird and their behaviour and mistreatment of Palestinians is just going to increase the number of holocaust deniers over the years.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-07
Ashkenazi Jews (Zionists), are not Semitic people, yet, they make up the majority of those ruling Israel. However, Palestinians are Semitic people. So, if the former is the one genociding latter, then who really are the "anti-Semites"?
1 mastigia 2018-01-07
No it's different, for reasons.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
See the problem is that anyone questioning the events and numbers of the holocaust, gets grouped in with the 'deniers'.
I believe there were work camps and lots of people died under horribly cruel conditions. Its the official 'facts' that I'm in disagreement with.
If my opposition in debate cant understand the difference between the two thought patterns of questioning/denying, i lose interest in engaging with them. I would imagine it is the same for others.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
Hmmm...
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Work camps, listen to yourself.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
And you've just proven my point.
By leaving out the rest of what i said (and lots of people died under horribly cruel conditions), you've immediately shown yourself as incapable of rational debate.
I've lost interest already.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Saying they were work camps equates it like, ok hon time to go to work. You are minimizing the slaughter and just by the fact you use that language means you arent big enough to read about the atrocities. Read Man's Search for Meaning then tell me if you would ever use work camps again in your life.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
If I'm minimising slaughter, you're minimising intelligent discourse.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
slaughter
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
Have you got years for a lot of those football photos? I would imagine it was early war years?
From what i've researched, the majority of deaths (and killings) started later half of the war when the Nazi lines were stretched. This would explain those photos.
1 CaptainApollyon 2018-01-07
So most of the deaths occurred after disease had spread supply lines were cut and Germany was loosing?
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
I'm not going to use terms like 'most'. I really have no idea of numbers. Ii shouldnt have used 'majority' either.
From research into survivors and from the photos available, it very mouch looks like things went real bad from 41/42 onwards.
This does coincidentally tie in with the Nazis stretching their lines.. I would imagine the two could be connected.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
How is it intelligent discourse to say work camps instead of concentration camps. I don't doubt that powerful people used this tragedy for some ill gain. Does that mean you think 2 million instead of 5 million dead means anything in the end except the worst of humanity in action? Why are you saying work camps. I really want to know.
1 Cunty_Balls 2018-01-07
How is 6m deaths worse than 80m?
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
ever notice that the wikipedia page for Bolshevism only mentions a handful of deaths out of the alleged 10's of millions of deaths?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks
1 Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-07
Why would "death camps" have hospitals, pools, theaters, general stores, etc etc? Also, how does one survive multiple death camps, and where is the evidence for "gas chambers"?
They were work/internment camps, just like how the US had them for the Japanese and others. The only difference is, the US did not get invaded and airstriked.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
This is a perfect example. So you think Jewish people were using the pools and theaters? Am I really going to forced to even write that maybe they were for the Nazis entertainment? Where is the evidence of gas chambers? Jesus man. People survived by being strong enough to walk 20 miles a day with half a bowl of watery soup. Those that didn't were gassed. If you don't believe this you are believing a lie.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-07
To trigger your cognitive dissonance, yes...
Sure, why wouldn't they? We have pictures of all of these things, even guards playing soccer with inmates...
Considering that there were far more people than guards, that logic does not make sense.
Yes, evidence please? Because what you said was not evidence.
Did you see that in a Holly Wood movie, and automatically assume that was true, or something? How did they escape death camps with soup?
Once again, where is the evidence for "gas chambers". We have evidence for delousing rooms, but not for the former...
Mmm, methinks you are the one believing in a lie.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
i like the part where the chimneys were build after the fact by the Allies, to illustrate what crematoriums might have looked like if nazis had actually had death camps and mass crematoriums.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
It doesnt affect intelligent discourse to hold an opinion. Infact without opinion, intelligent discourse cannot happen.
You're bringing emotion into a debate on fact. I dont care if it was the best or worst of humanity, that is just immaterial BS that's best left to Op-eds.
Because the deaths attributed are incidental to the purpose they were built for.
I'm sure you're going to claim that I'm minimising it again. But from my point of view, you're looking at it through a cloud of emotion.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
If you aren't emotional by innocent people being killed, then maybe you aren't the one who needs to be commenting on anything related to the Holocaust. Incidental deaths makes my point exactly. Your heart is not where it should be on this debate. If you think intellectualism is reptile logic and nothing else, than you are just as bad as the people you claim to be fighting against.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
Unfortunately for your fragile psyche, I can and will comment on whatever subject I so choose.
As to the rest of your inane drivel, I'l just leave it hanging there.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
This is point where I've won the debate. When the messanger starts being insulted instead of the message, it means you have nothing left. Checkmate bro go back to your flawed logic.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
Ok "bro".
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda
2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v94WsjWKQ3U
3 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=syria+crisis+actors
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
because they were work camps?
what did the sign above the work camp say?
"work sets you free"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei
JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySN0FGJYpM
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
1 RareOmen 2018-01-07
They were work camps...
They had hospitals, soccer teams, swimming pools. Why were there so many "survivors" of these supposed "death camps?"
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Because someone has to clean the toilets genius. They killed the weak, those who couldn't stand up anymore, those who fought back, etc. If you are only listening to what your websites tell you, I emplore you to read more.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
yeah but it was during a time of war, so that makes it ok
1 Geek-U-S-A 2018-01-07
Source?
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
did you know the Nazi's put fluoride in the drinking water in the camps, because the Nazi's were so concerned about Jew teeth?
just kidding. the Nazi's put fluoride in the drinking water to make the prisoners more placid, docile, easy to control
and wouldn't you know it,
those are the exact same reasons the nazis still put fluoride in your drinking water today
there is this myth that the nazi's lost WW2
they merely moved their HQ
the Bush family were nazi financiers
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
When you see this kind of attack, you know who and what you're dealing with and how to respond.
Downvoted ad hominem.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Is that not an accurate sentiment for this? Who is it you think youre dealing with Mr. Paranoia?
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
I'm dealing with this guy or someone like him.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
So you are saying because I am appalled by Holocaust deniers, I am suddenly anti-Palestinian? Look at my other replies sir.
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
Can't find anything in your history about Palestinians. You don't seem to care about them. A lot of posts regarding German concentration camps, but nothing defending the ongoing holocaust of the Palestinians.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
In this post genius, this discussion in real time. If you can't take my word for it, since we aren't in the same room, than I don't know what to tell you. How does not wanting people to deny a horrific tragedy equate to wanting people to deny a horrific tragedy?
1 Moelah 2018-01-07
Because it's 100% a hoax.
https://youtu.be/ykd-syzZ4ZY
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
showing old newspapers is "offensive" to the youtube community
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
Which tragedy is happening now?
What kind of tragedy can be stopped?
A. A tragedy that happened in the past
B. A tragedy that is happening now and is on-going
You don't care about the Palestinian Holocaust and you're not fooling anyone.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
are you appalled by all holocaust denials, or just some holocaust denials?
https://i.redd.it/grbggl1y9i801.png
https://i.redd.it/cnjxr8v1vp801.jpg
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
or this guy, or someone like him
https://youtu.be/lmLB77-dwsc?t=44s
1 Crumbcrumbs 2018-01-07
Should they be speaking English? I'm seriously asking
1 Crumbcrumbs 2018-01-07
"Drive them out"? this guy is a cunt
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
it is a very common mistake for people to make, to assume someone is "crazy" simply because they don't believe the same bullshit you believe.
like, should i assume you are "bat shit crazy" for believing men walked on the moon, or would it make more sense to assume you are simply gullible and/or stupid for believing that?
https://i.redd.it/qknfo3qgr1401.jpg
http://www.whale.to/c/how_stanley_kubrick_faked.html
https://i.redd.it/88x6kh681b301.png
1 Cunty_Balls 2018-01-07
So if a few people don't believe in it? The whole sub doesn't? Can you explain what logic your using to reach that conclusion?
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Im asking the sub for help to identify this very real problem. Those people died in battle, civilians died, and people in gas chambers died. Why care about any of them any more or less? Confirmed anti-semite.
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
100% agree.
Cunty_Balls' outright revulsion for the Semite peoples of South Western Asia, is truly astonishing!
/s
1 YehudisNightmare 2018-01-07
it was real in my mind
1 Cunty_Balls 2018-01-07
Yes, confirmed anti semite because I think all deaths are equally as bad. Get a grip of yourself.
1 ManIsBornFree 2018-01-07
This does not work here.
Go back to r/worldnews
1 ManIsBornFree 2018-01-07
-Bank of England (walter Rothschild purchasing lands without Arab-palistinian participation)
-FDR, Hitler, and the soviets all financed by Wall Street and London.
-mathematical discrepancies, historical discrepancies, and documented forgeries all lead people to necessitating questions of the holocaust and German genocidal atrocities. Not to support the current narrative, but to challenge it for the the pure sanctity of truth without virtue-signaling or nationhood-authority.
The truth should not be political. So, why are you so scared about questioning the numbers and motives involved in the holocaust; as, valiantly, as much as someone who attacks another who completely denies it?
This does not work here.
Go back to r/worldnews
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
RESPECT THE CHOSEN, GOY, OR PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.
1 OmarComingRun 2018-01-07
There is a vocal minority of anti semetic people on here I just ignore them usually as there is lots of other good posts and comments
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
I still think that if we ignore them the whole sub loses all crediblitity. I'll fight the ignorance its better than to ignore it. Thanks for reply.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
its good that you are fighting ignorance
here is a video made by the North Koreans, about the US media
its a real eye opener
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuaKHhNBTNA&t=8s
1 naturalproducer 2018-01-07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE
1 Crumbcrumbs 2018-01-07
For me all I can say is that I really enjoyed history but it's turning out to be a fabrication. I can't say the Holocaust did or didn't happen, I can't say the Earth is flat or round, and I can't say that Jesus Christ even existed. I wasn't there, I haven't witnessed.
The sub is fueled by skepticism. Both healthy and unhealthy. Were in the age of information and we have to question everything. It's the nature of the Beast. I pick my mission and battles on here and I don't blame anybody for believing in what they believe because we are all in our own bubbles of information.
People can believe in whatever they want but progress to me is moving forward without violence, hate, and division of people. That said, fuck the one percent (.001%)
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
If you can't say the Holocaust happened, or that the Earth is round, than I want to without division implore you scale back on the skepticism of everything around you.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
Norman Finkelstein rejects the alligator tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ
1 Moelah 2018-01-07
https://youtu.be/ykd-syzZ4ZY
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
this is one of the best comments I've ever seen on reddit. id like to give you gold, but fuck reddit
what is the single most controversial comment I've ever made on reddit?
https://www.reddit.com/user/EnoughNoLibsSpam/comments/?sort=controversial&t=all
1 Crumbcrumbs 2018-01-07
Hey, I really appreciate that. It's nice to know sometimes that I'm not speaking in the vacuum of space.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
oh i know what thats like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ2HstgvzZ4
1 Cunty_Balls 2018-01-07
Alexa has confirmed for us that Jesus was in fact, fictional. Glad thats finally been cleared up.
1 paulie_purr 2018-01-07
The Neo Nazi worldview is deeply dependent on conspiratorial thinking, principally "the great conspiracy" of Jewish/Khararian/Whatever control of humanity. Holocaust denial is part of that. It comes and goes around here and will never be fully separate from the general conspiracy community. But please don't take 3 or 4 users circlejerking over the topic as a comprehensive sub-wide thumb's up on that particular theory and worldview.
Here's where the OY VEYs come in...
1 murphy212 2018-01-07
OP, you seem to have read a lot. Had you read about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functionalism_versus_intentionalism
1 T0mThomas 2018-01-07
Take a shower? Are we being a little dramatic?
Lol, I'm no holocaust denier, or an anti-semite, which you're right this sub is full of. But reddit is a literal bastion of PC left wing culture. You don't have to go anywhere.
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
Yes we are being dramatic. How people can deny the suffering of others, anyone's suffering, leads to some righteous indignation for sure. It's very upsetting to see. You're right maybe I shouldn't read it and just ignore, but it's just not in me to do. These people need to be confronted.
1 Cunty_Balls 2018-01-07
We? And you need to learn critical thinking and that people are allowed to have different opinions. I get the feeling that you'd prefer the government to dictate all thinking though.
1 beefyfart 2018-01-07
Watch the second half of Spielberg's Hoax, available online for free, then get back to me.
1 RareOmen 2018-01-07
The Holocaust didn't happen at all like they say, and that's a fact. I think you're right, you don't seem to belong here if you can't comprehend how that is possible. It is a huge lie for sure and you have been conditioned to reflexively reject any questioning of it as "Holocaust denial."
1 Specterwood5 2018-01-07
When you say they, do you mean the victims? Have you read any victims stories? If you had you would be just as angry as me that this is going on.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
you mean like this guy?
if its real in his head, it must be real in my head too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Rosenblat
1 TimeTimeTickingAway 2018-01-07
'if we can't agree on fact'
The whole point is to not universally agree in the facts as presented to us. If that sometimes leads to some bad ideas or theories, or silly conclusions such as a Flat Earth than that's okay. It's the cost of freedom of thought and speech and the upside of them two things is well worth accepting the downsides. You can't have one withiht the other. If you don't think something is appropriate or well thought out downvote and move on. If you're not willing to even read it or accept that it's okay and allowed, then just skip to moving on.
Putting people in jail for questioning the events surrounding the Holocaust is much, much more of a crime than question the events surrounding the Holocaust itself it. (this isn't just in the case of outright deniers and anti-semetics, also those who simply exercise a capacity to question official narratives.)
1 Ashleysdad123 2018-01-07
You started by saying that in a post the other night, questions you consider valid about 9/11 were being raised about the Holocaust, which you seem to consider invalid. I think that is a wrong way to look at things in a conspiracy sub.
There is a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies put out by everybody involved in WW2. I can't think of a single group/country who hasn't misrepresented activities during the War to either hide their evil deeds, hide the fact that they looked the other way, hide the fact that they helped the "bad guys" to profit in some way, misrepresent their efforts to do the right thing, or misrepresent their losses for whatever reason. I think I understand your frustration that there are many books on the subject that corroborate the official stories. I personally find it impossible to refute the photographs of the dead/dying, and the personal statements given by people who were actively involved in the events. I will say that for me, personally, I cannot wrap my head around the numbers thrown out there for specific groups. I do know that the numbers for some groups were supposedly ratified/estimated by some of the Nazis themselves. I also know that prosecutors and tribunals will lie. I know that people on trial will often confess to anything if they think they might get a deal. Finally, I have seen how the 5 million or 6 million + numbers have been used by certain groups to benefit themselves even to this very day. This combination of stuff might makes some people question the official narrative.
Perhaps some people think none of the atrocities happened at all. I haven't seen the post that you're referring to, but I have no reason to doubt that some of the 1/2 million people subscribed to this sub have the views that you described. I simply hate that anyone who questions the official number of the official story is declared an anti-semite, a bigot, or whatever else.
1 nisaaru 2018-01-07
You confuse me here. Aren't most jews anti-semites?
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2018-01-07
i think it helps if we define semite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people
1 fANNYaSSINGHAM 2018-01-07
Even the official keepers of the holy narrative are revisionists now. You don't have to seek it out because it's headed your way. You can choose to ignore it nevertheless it's already a done deal and reality will trickle down upon you eventually.
1 Sabremesh 2018-01-07
This sub is sceptical of the "official" holocaust narrative for exactly the same reasons it is sceptical of the official 9/11 narrative - the narrative does not stand up to even a small amount of scrutiny.
Without looking it up, do you even know what the word "holocaust" means?
1 Mecanatron 2018-01-07
If I'm minimising slaughter, you're minimising intelligent discourse.