/r/TopMindsofReddit tried to frame TopMindsExposed and it's easy to see
22 2018-01-09 by Sing_about_me
A few days ago u/MAGAhatter "exposed" the guy who threatened to dox certain TMOR members as having multiple accounts, one of which he claimed was my account.
He explains it here saying that "admins were contacted (and) he (the doxxer) lost 42 out of 53 accounts and maybe more we weren’t aware of."
MAGAhatter offers absolutely no evidence that my account was one of the doxxer's, we are just supposed to take his word for it. Why admins would only have wiped out 42 out of 53 of this guy's accounts, and not all of them, is also not explained. Furthermore, why they would have wiped out most of his accounts but left an account which is an active participant in TopMindsExposed, the subreddit they claim was responsible for this user, is also unexplained.
Nonetheless, I've had people harrassing me, accusing me of being this user who was threatening to do the dox, as can be seen here. Another user did the same here, but interestingly, this guy seems to have been banned after I reported him to the admins. This tells me the admins are onto these guys and are perhaps even turning against them.
Now consider these points:
Why would they be annoying me if they thought I was capable of hacking and doxxing them?
Do you really believe that this was a sincere TopMindsExposed user? Do you think their motives were sincere? It's so blatantly obvious that this is a troll. The whole swatting thing is very topical now, given the recent tragedy, and there's no way that someone would sincerely advocate it right now, knowing full well the kind of consequences it could lead to. It's such a blindingly obvious attempt to incriminate TopMindsExposed.
Why would I have been one of the first people to attack the accounts who were threatening to do the dox, as can be seen here?
Who is more likely to do this shit, some random /r/conspiracy users or a subreddit of people who will hunt down and harass anyone who tries to counter them, and brigade any post which doesn't suit their narrative? These people behave very similarly to the likes of Scientologists or big corporations like Monsanto. They are clearly very, very concerned about crushing anyone who tries to expose them and will go to great lengths to do so.
Whoever actually did this clearly wasn't either able or actually intending to hack into people's computers to dox them, or they would have had the technical savvy, or simply the intention, to hide their tracks and stop their accounts being banned. All it would take is to make throwaways while using a VPN. Why would a sincere contributor to TopMindsExposed threaten to dox when they actually weren't able to? If you look at this post, it's clear that the poster isn't just pushing other people to dox, he is saying that he is capable of it and has the technical knowhow to do it. And yet, for some reason, they either weren't able, or simply didn't intend, to cover their tracks. That is clearly bullshit, and stinks of manipulation and deceit that could only work in TMOR's favour.
Something I find interesting (although I'm not sure where it fits in the puzzle) is that in u/MAGAhatter 's list of accounts which he attributes to the doxxer, he does not actually list one of the two accounts who were threatening to do the dox, who was /u/RosaRosaeRosam , as can be seen here.
My last point though, is how the fuck would /u/MAGAhatter know all this guy's accounts? He tries to explain it here, saying that he just looked through the doxxer's post history and then "connected the dots", in the short time before the doxxer was banned. I'm sorry but how the fuck would that be possible? On reddit you interact with hundreds, if not thousands of accounts, but he claims he was able to connect 53 accounts up "in seconds"? And yet he wasn't able to list the name of one of the actual two accounts which came on TopMindsExposed to threaten doxxing? If you look at my post history you can see that aside from my fairly brief interactions, on /r/TopMindsExposed and a single post on /r/conspiracy, with the handful of TopMindsExposed members he incriminates, I have barely interacted with these users elsewhere, so the whole idea that he was just joining the dots falls apart, especially given that most of these users have been around for a while and I have only been interacting with them very recently, and that they only comprise of a very small section of his list of the accounts which he attributes to the doxxer's.
I can't say I know what really happened, but it sure seems fishy.
Edit: Grammar
UPDATE: /u/MAGAHatter, using his alt-account /u/dronetape, has sent me this PM, admitting that he knew I wasn't the doxxer/swatter when he incriminated me.
57 comments
1 WilliamKingHarvey 2018-01-09
Is this sub more obsessed with theirs than vice versa?
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
Well, their sub as sticky about us.
1 VladsNUM1_h4x0r 2018-01-09
Yea, his question was literally retarded.
Truly a tiptopmind.
1 missylizzy 2018-01-09
Lmfao
1 HoundDogs 2018-01-09
Seriously, y’all. There’s no reason to waste you time on those fuckwits in some meta Reddit war. They’re inconsequential.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
They're stalking me though.
1 VladsNUM1_h4x0r 2018-01-09
You're going to need more alts if you insist on outing yourself. I'm a huge fan though for what it's worth. Keep on keeping on.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
I have no need for alts.
1 CollegiallyCollegial 2018-01-09
You aren't responding to a censored post. You're responding to a deleted post.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
How can you tell?
1 VladsNUM1_h4x0r 2018-01-09
I'll back their assertion. You're confused as to the motivation of my comment.
1 HoundDogs 2018-01-09
Block users. Lots of them.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-09
OP is actually being stalked in non-conspiracy subs and being accused of being a doxxer.
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2018-01-09
At this point, it seems like people should stop giving a fuck and focus on what they want to focus on, if someone comments something you don't like, or you know is going to provoke an emotional response from you, then block them.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-09
People should be aware so they know to report these stalkers to the admin.
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2018-01-09
Agreed, but how much action have you seen them taken against TMOR seriously?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-09
According to OP, his most recent stalker was reported and banned today. That is a start.
1 bradok 2018-01-09
TMOR is a hate sub that attacks and belittles anyone who doesn't share their opinions, living out their school bully fantasies on the internet. Fuck TMOR, and best of luck to anyone who opposes them.
1 1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 2018-01-09
Not only that, if their stalking users, you know they're organizing doxxing raids off site.
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2018-01-09
They are not that logical and organized, lol.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-09
Good write-up, OP.
1 missylizzy 2018-01-09
They are gross and losers.
1 Rabid_Mongoose 2018-01-09
Eh, seems like r/TopMindsExposed is the same type of hate sub to TMOR that TMOR is to r/conspiracy and the like. At least the few posts I saw until you made it private.
Also, it appears that you take the stance of ' if you disagree with me, you're a shill'. Which I think happens far too much in this sub altogether.
Shitty about the stalking though.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
/r/TopMindsExposed is defence against an attack sub.
1 Rabid_Mongoose 2018-01-09
I guess. It's private, so I'll take your word for it. Seemed like you just mocked them like they do flat earthers and Q posts.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
We were just interested in exposing them for their unpleasant and devious activities.
1 Rabid_Mongoose 2018-01-09
What are you 'exposing'? They are self deprecating. Maybe they take mocking the fact that Q promised to put Hillary in jail, or that Soros is in Guantanamo. But...I mean, if we're going to target hate subs, there are much worse ones out there. If this is some cyber bullying campaign, there's probably better avenues of approach.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
They do stuff like I describe in the OP and they brigade posts regularly. They're very disruptive.
1 Rabid_Mongoose 2018-01-09
TD is more disruptive than they are, with probably 100 times more users. But they agree with your narrative, so it's ok. Where is your call to arms against them or just brigading in general?
I don't see you against brigading, I just see you targeting an anti_trump sub.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
They don't agree with my narrative, but the TD users are just here to talk about their own conspiracies, even if I don't agree with them. I don't seem them purposely coming her to fuck up the sub.
1 tormentvector 2018-01-09
Top minds harasses folks trying to get people to break the rules so the get banned, shrug, I haven't seen any TD members do anything but post and argue, tmor is next level playing imho. Freaking losers that spend all their time trophy hunting for examples to cross link and talk about in their dub to feel superior. TD is not a revenge sub, more like an echo chamber/rally center imho.
-2 canitbe73 2018-01-09
You mean like mods have been proven to do in this exact sub?
1 VladsNUM1_h4x0r 2018-01-09
The tiptopmind outs itself.
Tiptop Tactic #1: Pretend two things that are not the same really are the same.
In this instance, pretend that TD (a sub designed as a rallying point for the President's loyal base) is equivalent in its relation to r/conspiracy as is TMOR (a sub designed to harass and disrupt discussion on and users of r/conspiracy in a cozy hatesub hugbox).
Here this tactic is employed to pretend like the tiptopminds are providing a service to r/conspiracy by acting as a balance against influencers from TD. This tiptopmind assumes you're ignorant of the fact that TMOR exists only for its relationship to r/conspiracy and that their efforts to provide "balance" predate the existence of TD.
Tiptop Excuse: I'm actually doing you a favor.
1 tormentvector 2018-01-09
nailed it
1 CollegiallyCollegial 2018-01-09
It was put on private because someone posted dox that looked fake. Then someone else blamed TMOR for it. Both of those users and dozens of other accounts got banned.
It looks like a double false flag operation to me.
Of course they could unprivate the sub so we could judge the remnants of the sub for ourselves.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
A double false flag operation.
That’s some impressive mental gymnastics.
Worth noting that TMOR were the first to post a thead incriminating TopMindsExposed for it, uncannily quickly after the dox threats were posted.
0 canitbe73 2018-01-09
One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.
Not that I'm trying to elevate this (pathetically immature) situation to that level of importance, but as someone outside of these ridiculous "battle" between subreddits, both /r/TopMindsExposed and TMOR look ridiculous and pathetic. Why open yet another sub because you're so mad people made a sub about one you post on in the first place? You don't see any irony there?
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
I would like to see TMOR banned as a subreddit, because it is centred around attacking and harassing people. This is a real effect, whether it exists in cyberspace or not. I think it's reasonable to want to stop them, and a subreddit is a good way to connect people who are interested in doing so. No one on TopMindsExposed wanted to dox or fuck with people. We just wanted to expose them for their nefarious activities.
0 canitbe73 2018-01-09
I think you have a mistake in the last part of your post ("No one on TMOR wanted to dox or fuck with people" - surely you mean TopMindsExposed?), but - from someone who, again, is really not involved or wanting to be involved in this stupid war between subs, it looks to me that TopMindsExposed DID want to dox and fuck with people?
Unless I'm missing something, TMOR seems like a sub where people go to laugh at stuff on /r/conspiracy (which I can see how people might be offended or upset about, I guess, though I still think it's just worth ignoring), while TopMindsExposed legitimately had someone involved who hoped to swat people from TMOR. Am I missing something? Because if that's true, the sub that needs banned is clearly TopMindsExposed.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
In my previous reply I already explained why TopMindsExposed existed as a necessary defense, and in my first sentence I said what TMOR is really about, which is attacking and harrassing people. I don't see why I have to write it out again.
There's absolutely no proof that the users who were threatening to do the dox were our guys, and I as I explain in my OP, I think it seems far more likely to be a false flag attack by TMOR. You're free to argue against my arguments for why I think it is likely to have been a false flag, but start from there, don't pretend the point hasn't even been addressed.
It doesn't seem like you're actually interested in gaining any kind of knowledge from this discussion, or you would have considered the things I have already said, which leads me to feel you aren't sincere. I'm really not interested in having a discussion with someone who seems to be purposely trying to keep everything at square one, by ignoring everything that I have already said. In honest discussions, you continue from where the discussion has reached, and if you disagree with where it has reached, you argue against the arguments that have taken it to that point. You don't just ignore those arguments and keep ramming home the original points they have already responded to.
1 canitbe73 2018-01-09
I've considered the things you've said, but I don't know why you think I should believe your side of it when you don't offer any evidence.
TMOR at least shows the posts made by people in TopMindsExposed and ConspiracyUndone that posted addresses and identities of TMOR-ers. (Here and Here). Based on the attitudes of people here about the so-called 'shills' in TMOR and the fact that a subreddit was specifically created to "expose" them, I can believe that a member of ConspiracyUndone and TopMindsExposed might have posted those things.
Your argument, as I understand it, is 'come on, guys, do you really believe that was real?', which alone, I don't find compelling.
I don't know the backstory of this whole feud and honestly probably don't care enough to learn it, but it's not that I'm ignoring the discussion in this thread and trying to waste your time. Rather, I've read the discussions in this thread and haven't seen any evidence or any reason to think that the TopMindsExposed comments weren't genuine, from genuine members. If nothing else if you're going to make an entire sub who's point and name is about EXPOSING members of another sub, you don't get to be on your high horse when someone accuses members of that sub, with proof, of doing just that.
Sorry that I don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the discussion. It just means I don't agree with you and you haven't put forward any new evidence or arguments that have begun to convince me.
0 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
By "exposing", it didn't mean doxxing. That would literally serve no purpose to us. Our only intention was to bring attention to how fucked up that sub is, and how it should be banned because its users stalk and harass people, and brigade threads. By exposing, we meant exposing the bad shit they did, so doxxing them would be obviously hypocritical. So obviously hypocritical that no sincere user would do it.
But in the end, neither of us have any evidence that proves which side did it, or even hints at which side did it, so if you're just interested in evidence, why bother to even continue the discussion? I thought you don't care about this stuff anyway?
1 canitbe73 2018-01-09
I don't particularly care about this stuff, but people like you are CONSTANTLY spamming /r/conspiracy crying about TMOR, so I can't help but get dragged into it slightly, I guess. Sorry that apparently annoys you?
Obviously we're not going to agree, but it still looks to me, as someone not personally involved with all of this, as though the TMOR people (even if they are jerks who make fun of this sub) have put forth a pretty convincing case that someone in TopMindsExposed tried to do just that - expose some members of Top Minds. Your rebuttal seems to mostly be 'but we wouldn't do that!' which doesn't seem convincing in the way their story does (based on the pictures and screenshots that show it happened and the admin's seemingly banning people involved in it).
I don't claim to actually know what happened here, but I think your 'side' needs either some evidence or at least some reasons people should believe you, or stop complaining that people believe that a member of your sub tried to dox and swat someone.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
I think you need some evidence to believe your side. I really would be interested to know what you consider to be compelling about TMOR's case that describes how TopMindsExposed was responsible.
I notice you have been disingenous about my case for why it was TMOR. I actually have said:
Whoever actually did this clearly wasn't either able or actually intending to hack into people's computers to dox them, or they would have had the technical savvy, or simply the intention, to hide their tracks and stop their accounts being banned. All it would take is to make throwaways while using a VPN. Why would a sincere contributor to TopMindsExposed threaten to dox when they actually weren't able to? If you look at this post, it's clear that the poster isn't just pushing other people to dox, he is saying that he is capable of it and has the technical knowhow to do it. And yet, for some reason, they either weren't able, or simply didn't intend, to cover their tracks. That is clearly bullshit, and stinks of manipulation and deceit that could only work in TMOR's favour.
Do you really believe that this was a sincere TopMindsExposed user? Do you think their motives were sincere? It's so blatantly obvious that this is a troll. The whole swatting thing is very topical now, given the recent tragedy, and there's no way that someone would sincerely advocate it right now, knowing full well the kind of consequences it could lead to. It's such a blindingly obvious attempt to incriminate TopMindsExposed.
I'm sorry but I don't actually believe that you seriously believe that swatting threat was sincere. It was clearly a false flag, it's the most obvious troll I've seen in some time.
3 canitbe73 2018-01-09
I mean, I agree somewhat in that I'm not sure the swatting threat was 100% sincere. But I do find it plausible that a member of the Exposed community would post the information they thought was related to mods of TMOR and somewhat seriously suggest someone swat them. It boggles my mind that people somehow think anyone posting in TopMindsExposed would be somehow above that when the very title of the sub suggests that's the point of its existence.
I'm kind of confused at the moment - I thought this conversation was about the doxing and swatting threats I linked above (the pictures originally posted to TMOR), and whether or not they were from legitimate members of Exposed? I don't know the context of the picture you published. Like I said, I genuinely haven't been following this whole drama, so it's entirely possible I'm missing something or misunderstanding something to me.
I will say this, once again as someone coming into this drama after merely being an uninterested spectator who's mostly been annoyed at how often /r/conspiracy gets spammed with the same two or three people crying about how TMOR was mean to them - I don't pretend to know the backstory nor the details of either "side" of this conflict. BUT after reading the stickied thread at TMOR and this and I believe another thread about it on this sub, this is how the situation comes off to me (and if you feel like correcting me and aren't tired of me yet [which I wouldn't blame you for!], I'm happy to be corrected if there's parts I'm missing):
I appreciate your replies and discussing this with me, and totally understand if you decide you're done wasting time talking about this with me. But you have to see how people not knowledgeable about the ins and outs of this drama might believe TMOR in this instance, or at least think they have a pretty good case, even if the community is known for making fun of /r/conspiracy.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
I already explained that by "exposed", we didn't mean exposing their personal information. I explained quite clearly what we meant by exposed, as in, we wanted to expose their bad behaviour. Can't be fucked with this shit any more, stop ignoring what I've said and taking it back to square one. There's no point in this "discussion", because it isn't one. It's just you saying the same things over and over again and completely ignoring my responses. Better off talking to a wall.
3 canitbe73 2018-01-09
My point basically boils down to this: why should I believe that you didn't EXPOSE these people and that when you say exposed in the title of the sub, you don't really mean it? Why should I believe you that every single person who may have joined or posted in that sub somehow automatically knew that when you said exposed, you didn't really mean exposed?
That's been the boiled down part of my comments repeatedly and you haven't answered it with anything more than "but we didn't MEAN exposed!".
Sorry you're done discussing, but honestly I think anyone can read this thread and see that I was genuinely trying to have a discussion about this. Sorry if you feel differently.
1 The_In-Betweener 2018-01-09
Dear TMOR users,
You are the absolute lowest forms of life I've ever encountered.
1 pby1000 2018-01-09
I wouldn't bother with those retards. They do not know how to debate or have a meaningful conversation, then they get upset about it.
1 Riceandtits 2018-01-09
I suggested in that sub to use cyber bullying laws against them. it is prety clear the coordinate attacks on users in attempts to harass and cause emotional distress. Also if you have records that you have contacted admins to stop their harassment an they allow them to exist that could be something as well. Use the law to stop this shit.
https://www.stopbullying.gov/laws/index.html
https://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/how-to-report/index.html
1 iKnowYouSeeMe 2018-01-09
bro the police dont even punish people behind swat attacks/bomb threats why the fuck are they gonna care about people posting mean comments about you on the fucking internet
1 Riceandtits 2018-01-09
I see your back. I enjoyed my week off from you. An let's be real son. We are not bro's in any sense of the word.
2 iKnowYouSeeMe 2018-01-09
We are both hispanic males.
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1 exkreations 2018-01-09
lol those PMs, these people have to be LARP
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-09
Sounds like a lot of people have way too much time on their hands.
1 Sing_about_me 2018-01-09
We were just interested in exposing them for their unpleasant and devious activities.
1 CollegiallyCollegial 2018-01-09
It was put on private because someone posted dox that looked fake. Then someone else blamed TMOR for it. Both of those users and dozens of other accounts got banned.
It looks like a double false flag operation to me.
Of course they could unprivate the sub so we could judge the remnants of the sub for ourselves.
-2 canitbe73 2018-01-09
You mean like mods have been proven to do in this exact sub?