Who do you think would benefit if it is all counterfeit? Cui bono?

The anti-family, anti-mental health social engineering agenda trying to undermine basic human decency by promoting degeneracy as “normal”?

who is promoting degeneracy?and what does it mean in this context

Social degeneracy – generally understood to be the undermining of gender roles, the nuclear family, and love/romance/procreative human sexuality, plus the depiction of graphic violence in the media – is promoted by groups like the Tavistock Institute, Soros' Open Society Foundation, and other organizations that can be tied to the spread of cultural Marxism.

The theory is that if you can successfully undermine these pillars of Western society, you can collapse it from within, and replace it with allegiance to the state.

In practice, by appealing to people's worse natures (which we all share), and normalizing deviant behavior, you weaken individuals from within themselves, and their ability to form meaningful, nurturing relationships with others. This isolates the individual from support by a social structure, and makes them susceptible to states like learned helplessness and then depression, requiring medication that impacts cognitive function.

All of this is a relentless assault on individual sovereignty, because a core aspect of our sovereignty is knowing the dark, but choosing the light. So yes we all have a social/sexual/relational dark side. And it's imperative that we all experience it, so we know what it does to our souls to indulge in it.

The problem is, this "dark side indulgence" is being promoted as normal. It's being encouraged at younger and younger ages, making it harder and harder to break free from it.

Weak people are then more easily ruled, and put up less of a resistance.

tl;dr - It's an NWO plot, to destroy us as individuals from within.

So, in other words, you're a bigot. Are you afraid of being gay or liking to fuck a trans?

Hm, nope. Not afraid of those things. Since you framed it in terms of me and not anything I actually said.

edit: By the way, where did I say anything about being gay or trans?

The only ones claiming there is a plot to destitute the "family" are very bigoted/religious and anti-LGBT.

Being afraid of something like that is stupid.

Well, I am neither bigoted, nor religious, nor anti-LGBT.

Unfortunately, your belief that something is "stupid" without putting in any time to research or understand it actually makes you ignorant. Your words don't hurt me at all. So over time, I hope you'll come to see you're harming yourself by being ignorant of the ways culture, media, and your own dark side are being actively used against you, your friends, your family, and everyone you care about.

How do you justify LGBT relationships while defining a healthy family as "procreating" and nuclear?

I never used the word "healthy." Nor is it my position to "justify" anything.

I did use the words "love" and "romance" in conjunction with "procreative", so take your pick of those. But I do feel that straight families in urban areas are being actively discouraged from having children by cultural memes and economic hardships.

This issue goes way beyond LGBT, by the way. It's about cheap, casual sex, divorced from meaning or connection, as well as love and romance. See: Tinder.

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/08/tinder-hook-up-culture-end-of-dating

It's about families and relationships broken apart because partners (of any persuasion) are unable to commit to a single sex partner, in part because they've become accustomed to the aforementioned casual sex. Possibly also because they're on antidepressants. So they're unable to put in the hard work to form the meaningful emotional, intellectual, and spiritual bonds (read: trust) with their own partner that lead to lifelong sexual satisfaction. Nor does our culture encourage us in that direction in any way.

You can fall into this trap whether you're gay or straight. It doesn't matter. Because as I've said, this isn't about any one group being more or less "deviant" than the other. This is about the shared human shadow – greed, lust, gluttony, etc. – being propagated as "normal" when it isn't. It is our dark side. OUR dark side, and in that I include myself.

As for the "nuclear" family, it's my firm belief based on experience that children grow up the most successful in two-parent households with a masculine and feminine influence, mirroring the masculine and feminine part of our own natures. That can be two women, two men, or a man and a woman. So long as the "toughness" / "tenderness" balance exists to cultivate both aspects of our nature.

Breaking up families into single-parent households, however it's accomplished, leads to weaker individuals with less understanding of themselves, less cultivation of their inner qualities, more stressed parents, illness, fast food, and all kinds of societal ill health that leads to an emotionally-depleted, weakened populace. That's the goal.

Well I agree with most of it, aldo most part I'll need to research for myself (as in the parts where you take your personal belief/experience).

In no way I think tho that there's anything related between 'spiritual bond' and 'trust', if you were trying to not sound religious and bible-following you did well, if not then I definitely agree with most of it.

I don't think there's a word in the English language that describes my beliefs. I'm not "religious" as I don't associate with any denomination. And "spiritual" is too broad and wishy-washy of a term. But I am "religious" in the sense that I have a system of belief that binds my being together, which is based on the Latin root "ligare" (edit: "to bind") and not being Christian or any other faith.

However, I should point out that just because someone thumps a bible doesn't automatically make them wrong. The world's great wisdom traditions all have important things to say about the importance of home and family, as well as our inner battles with our better and worse natures. Modern psychology has a lot to say about this, as well, and that's where I base most of my beliefs.

Regarding "spiritual bond" and "trust", can we agree that trust is the ground that a true spiritual bond forms from? Because that's along the lines of what I was trying to say. But you can also take everything I said about emotional/intellectual/spiritual bonds and wrap it all up in a bow called "trust" as well. And I think trust is the very essence of fulfilling sex.

You should make a post about all of this, Social degeneracy. You really have it cracked wide open.

Thank you! Under your encouragement I might! Really appreciate your comment. :)

No problem! It's a breath of fresh air reading comments like yours. Please continue to share your thoughts. :)

Will do. :)

Regarding "spiritual bond" and "trust", can we agree that trust is the ground that a true spiritual bond forms from?

Well, "spiritual" is too broad and wishy-washy of a term. I don't find anything real as spiritual in any way, since spiritual is correlated to soul (which is very likely not real).

And I think trust is the very essence of fulfilling sex.

I agree, but that doesn't mean it's only about doing with one person tho.

Well, "spiritual" is too broad and wishy-washy of a term.

Ha! Fair play. But I did differentiate “spiritual” from “intellectual” and “emotional” aspects of our being, so it’s a bit less vague.

I don't find anything real as spiritual in any way, since spiritual is correlated to soul

Try chewing on this statement: Material reality is a spiritual fact.

(which is very likely not real)

No one can prove the existence of a soul to you. But if you sincerely desire to experience the reality of your soul, and put in true effort to do so, you will.

I agree, but that doesn't mean it's only about doing with one person tho.

There are degrees of trust. To truly collapse your being into another while making love, and allow them to collapse into you, requires a supreme amount of trust. Maybe you can do that with more than one person, but in my experience reaching those points (or close to them) I don’t want to.

Even that aside, again our culture doesn’t teach us that. It teaches cheap and easy surface fulfillment, and says lifetime pair bonding is stodgy because sex gets soooo boring. This is what plays on our lesser natures, rather than our greater natures to work hard for valuable things, like how deep we can open ourselves up to another, and be a safe place for them to open up to us, more and more.

The anti-family, anti-mental health social engineering agenda trying to undermine basic human decency by promoting degeneracy as “normal”?

I used healthy from that statement. But I kinda see your point although I think mental health is getting better thanks to cleaning up the environment and increasing social services.

This issue goes way beyond LGBT, by the way. It's about cheap, casual sex, divorced from meaning or connection, as well as love and romance. See: Tinder.

This isn't a modern thing, it is what humans have always done. Marriage and love are both social constructs designed to keep property in a family or make little slave kids to work a farm.

As for the "nuclear" family, it's my firm belief based on experience that children grow up the most successful in two-parent households with a masculine and feminine influence, mirroring the masculine and feminine part of our own natures. That can be two women, two men, or a man and a woman. So long as the "toughness" / "tenderness" balance exists to cultivate both aspects of our nature.

Two parent households are a huge boost for kids in our current world, I agree. I'm not too sure on the whole masculine/feminine thing, seems like 2 well rounded people would be the best option as children have no idea of these concepts for many years.

Breaking up families...

This seems like a consequence of capitalism and companies wanting more and more time and work from workers rather than a secret society taking over the world.

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, contained within some of your responses is an indication that these social engineering techniques have been at least partially successful in impacting you. (No judgment here. It took me months of being away from the US in order to see the impact these ideas had on me and confront them.)

I think mental health is getting better thanks to cleaning up the environment and increasing social services.

I disagree strongly with this. Whether or not you believe in anthropogenic global warming / climate change, our environment is being polluted constantly with plastics, EM radiation, antibiotics in meat & fish, geoengineering techniques (chemtrails, etc.), not to mention light and noise pollution, the pollution of our psyches by technological distraction, constant media / advertising exposure, vaccines, etc. Plus industrial waste, deforestation, particulates. The environment is most definitely not being cleaned up on any large scale.

Also, mental health is declining quite precipitously. Research growth in depression, social anxiety disorder, and more. Or just head over to r/me_irl. ;)

This isn't a modern thing, it is what humans have always done

Indeed. Cheap, casual sex is part of our biological programming. It's fun. People like it.

HOWEVER, when it's over-encouraged by technology and culture, and people overindulge that "meaningless sex" part of their brains and libidos, it has negative effects on the “meaningful sex" side of our psychology. In other words, too much of a good thing.

Marriage and love are both social constructs designed to keep property in a family or make little slave kids to work a farm.

This is sadly very, very wrong. State-sanctioned marriage MAY be a social construct, but lifelong pair bonding is a deep part of human psychology. And to say that love is a social construct? Truly I am sad for you.

What indicates to me that cultural Marxism / the Tavistock mind virus has had its way with you is that you link love to an economic oppression argument. Love is a fundamental facet not only of the human being, but the Universe. MAYBE the romantic aspect of love is overemphasized to sell things (“MARRY AND REPRODUCE”) but that doesn’t make it any less real and vital of a part of us.

I'm not too sure on the whole masculine/feminine thing, seems like 2 well rounded people would be the best option as children have no idea of these concepts for many years.

Kids have no ideas of these concepts, and nor do many adults. But whether we understand them or not, we feel them from a young age. If one parent is strict, the other parent is generally more nurturing. That’s the masculine/feminine dynamic at work, though the child wouldn’t know to call it that. And that’s why 2-parent households (among many other reasons) are superior to one parent, because those dynamics get to be balanced in the home, and thus they tend to balance more easily in the developing mind(s) raised in those households.

“Well-rounded” is a good way of putting it too, though a bit less specific.

This seems like a consequence of capitalism and companies wanting more and more time and work from workers rather than a secret society taking over the world.

It’s both. But this is the totality of the war on us. It’s not just cultural, it’s economic. It is a full-on assault on the individual from every conceivable angle. Believe me, once you see it, if you ever see it, you’ll be simultaneously horrified, disgusted, saddened, angered, and also quite a bit impressed about how impeccable this system is.

Or you can watch the scene in The Matrix where Morpheus shows Neo the Matrix, and kinda get a small vicarious sense.

Thanks for reading so far, and for the good discussion. :)

i think youve taken one too many redpills buddy.if you wanna remain in the middle ages suit yourself, but dont expect most normal people would want that as well.

This reply comes across as pretty nonsensical to me. But if you want to live in a way where you consistently choose your weaker, darker aspects to express in your thoughts, words, and actions, you can do that. Anyone can. See how it works for you. :)

the world is not black and white, and a healthy dose of skepticism will go a long way.i understand that when you go down the rabbit hole its hard to get back out, but its for the better.spending too much time in your own thoughts and taking so many things for granted will skew your world view immensely

Thanks for the advice! I hope you spare some of it for yourself. :)

i spend my time on this board filled with neets and lunatics for that exact reason, to get a bit of perspective on that part of society.that doesnt mean ill take for granted what someone else tells me.if i dont trust cnn or fox, why would i trust someone who tells me the nwo wants to turn me gay and stop me from having kids?

I didn’t say anything about turning anyone gay. I’m talking about being over-sexualized and toxically promiscuous. Ever watch TV or the movies? And with a little research you can find countless articles in the mainstream media about childless couples, selling that lifestyle. So you don’t have to trust me. But you are capable of listening.

But that’s the thing, I don’t think you come here to check yourself. You come here to validate your worldview. I mean, you’re not alone in that. We all suffer from cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance aversion syndrome. Just don’t pretend you’re doing something you’re not.

They are trying to go public, so they need to clean it up a bit. Pull in the adults, you know, the ones with the wallets. Once they get the demographics proper, the advertising and controlled narrative Reddit will turn into the new Facebook.

Well I just got banned for giving some pretty sound advice.

I said "

Fuck someone else then when she confronts you about it " oops, sorry darling, I was drunk " And see how that goes down "

The post was titled

" Wife (44F) of 9 years keeps buying expensive things and using the excuse that she was 'drunk' and that she is sorry. She recently used this excuse, except I know she wasn't actually drunk. How do I confront her about these lies? "

Pretty good advice if you ask me. Yet the moderators claimed this wasnt helpful ( how the fuck they would know ) so I'm banned.

I think OP's on to something.

That’s terrible advice though honestly.

Well yeah, I was just taking the piss. No need go get banned though. Then again, I just got a comment removed on here for simply calling someone and " edge lord " for being abusive.

No need to call names though tbh

In this context there was, a non offensive and abusive name.

I've noticed something about /r/parenting and /r/beyondthebump. Seemingly manufactured posts about vaccines.

There's always some post like "my crazy ex won't vaccinate the kids, she's crazy, xyz". And a chorus of people just SHOCKED that she wouldn't vaccinate!

I've just left some advice over there. That should even it out a bit.

That advice was A-1 was it removed though? Lmao

Looks like it's still there. Hopefully OP sees it and follows through.

Any links to examples OP ?

Ron Swanson says No.

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