Trump had a chance to be the level headed, business oriented professional to bring people together. Instead he's gone the loose cannon, divisive, inconsistent and addled old man route. He creates the hate directed at him. Before he ran I just thought he was a decent human being, but now he's just a petty little prick we gave the nuclear button to.

Trump is the exact same guy he’s been for the last 40 years. He takes credit for things that go well (even if he had nothing to do with it), blames others for things that don’t go well, denies everything... everything is about winning and losing and people who lose should be humiliated. It’s ridiculous to me that people either thought that a 70 year old man was going to suddenly change who he was once he was elected, or people were just completely oblivious to Trump, who’s been a megastar since the early 80s.

Also, I get sick of the old ‘he was a better choice than Hillary’, because that should have never been the choice. It was originally Trump versus 16 Republican candidates who were all much better choices. People just got swallowed up by Trumps cult of personality, vague promises, and catchy 3 word slogans (build the wall, lock her up, make America great, etc)....

I never followed him closely enough to know much about him prior to his run. The birther thing was a huge red flag that put me way off from voting for him. I just hoped he would have enough people around him to tell him when to shut the fuck up and act presidential.

I just hoped he would have enough people around him to tell him when to shut the fuck up and act presidential.

Oh those halcyon days!

Ahh yes, a nice 'little' president you can fold up and tuck away for the news.

More like a president who makes news for actual accomplishments and not for defaming people on Twitter or stupid bigoted comments.

It shouldn't have been the choice but it was, therefore the argument stands.

The Republican field was really, really bad tho. Remember Marco "the robot" Rubio being unable to say anything non-rehearsed in the 3rd debate? Or Ben "the Pyramids held grain" Carson. Or Ted "eat my own booger on live TV" Cruz? Or Carly "drove HP into the ground" Fiorina? They had a big field and it fucking sucked, which is how Trump managed to eek out a win.

Before he ran I just thought he was a decent human being...

NYC resident resident checking in. An overwhelming majority of residents in four of the five boroughs would strongly disagree. We thought he's been an asshole for decades.

Brooklyn here, can confirm.

I don't know if he really had a chance to do otherwise. He was always a trashy dude, he was always going to be controversial. But the constant assault didn't give him a ton of options to be different.

I didn't vote for him, but I did hope he would act like a president when he got in office, and not like a clown. The US was already having trouble hanging onto our image of the shining beacon on a hill, and now we are a fucking side show attraction.

No argument from me man. The world is sick.

I remember the (personal) attacks and questions about Obama from day one. Pepperidge Farm remembers too. It wasn't disimilar to what you're griping about.

I voted for both Obama (cringe) and Trump, and the level of attacks and criticism aren't even close. Are you being intentionally misleading or are you just that biased?

Edit: ignore the vote bots and brigade. The comment I'm responding to is a great example of gaslighting. "No, you guys are just imagining it! Obama totally got the same level of criticism as Trump" Its ridiculous and I genuinely wonder if anyone falls prey to this sort of gaslighting.

I would have voted for McCain until he pulled in Palin. Although I didn't like Hillary, I did not vote for Trump. Obama was attacked for a lot, including putting French mustard on a cheeseburger. However, if the attacks and criticism aren't close it's because of the behavior and words of each. Simply put Obama didn't give media reasons like Trump does. Are you refusing to see that or just that biased?

No. Bush, Obama, and those before them got their token criticism from their "political opponents," but really they were all on the same team and working together. Trump is getting the full-on propaganda machine attack. Huge difference.

Again, if he weren't such a shitshow magnet with limited intelligence, no tact, spouting childish insults and easily disprovable falsehoods, he wouldn't get all this relentless, negative media attention.

Agreed, the only criticism of Obama came from fox news and conservative policy makers

Because it's rightly deserved. And let's not pretend conservative media doesn't bend over backwards to polish his knob 24 hours a day.

You know I can hear him speak and see what he tweets with my own two eyes, right? I don't need CNN to know he's a racist dumpster fire.

A president with a historically low approval rating who tweets hate and lies is being maligned by the media? What conspiracy!

Have you ever watched any interviews with him before I decided to get into politics?

Since he first decided to run the media has drilled it into everyone’s heads that he is this backwards thinking ultra-conservative hardcore Republican. If you look at has past you’ll find this is simply not true.

I've seen no evidence ever, that he was not always an asshole. 1989

I haven't seen many accuse him of being an ultra-conservative republican. He is and always has been someone who stands for nothing but himself, going back to the 70s.
It doesn't help that he is constantly exhibiting all of the worst stereotypical American traits imaginable. As for his past interviews, he may come across as a little more coherent, but he's always been a bigoted moron with beliefs as shallow as an empty pool.

I’m not defending him by any means. I guess my point here is that the MSM will not shut up about Trump. It’s like a terrible soap opera that never ends. Trump is a puppet. Just like Obama was, and Bush before him.

He's the president and he's unhinged so of course the MSM won't shut up about him, he provides weeks of material on a daily basis..I'm not a fan of Obama, definitely not one of Bush but at least they could speak coherently (debatable though with Bush) and at least ACT presidential. He's throwing his country's reputation further in the gutter while the rest of us point and laugh.

Ever think that maybe the reason the MSM is so focused on our bafoon of a president is to distract the American people and create more division amongst us?

Lol who cares about the MSM when all you need is Trump's twitter feed. It's okay though, if you think they're excessively mean now, just wait until they dispose of him. It was a huge mistake to call out the MSM AND the alphabet spooks as his enemies.

If this Mueller investigation ends poorly for him, they're going to eviscerate him, perhaps just in time for Harvest.

The MSM is our enemy, and so are the alphabet spooks. I think they are more of an enemy to freedom than Trump is. As a matter of fact, I think they are using Trump as a means to further restrict our freedoms. But no one will realize this until it’s too late. All because so many Americans are behaving like middle aged women watching a soap opera. We as a nation cannot get enough of the Trump drama. It’s good for ratings, right?

Yeah we should stick to zerohedge and true pundit, bastions of truth in reporting. Saying MSM is our enemy is such a simplistic cop out too. Were you crying foul on here when this sub was (and sometimes still is) polluted with Hillary, Pizzagate spam? Trump is likely involved in a large scandal of his own doing, not the MSM , not the alphabet agencies, just his own stupid ego. He deserves all the shit thrown at him and more (if you knew much about his history of behaviour ). Years down the road when this is all over and his family is penniless I'm sure Hillary will eat Barron's first born.

Just wow.. did I mention True Pundit or Zero hedge? No, I didn’t. You did.

And no, I was not “crying foul” on this sub when pizzagate was broke by private citizens investigating DNC emails and questionable Instagram posts from prominent people in the D.C..

I implore you to google search the name “Michael Aquino” and do a little reading about him. I highly suggest you look into the Franklin Coverup. Another good source would be some Ted Gunderson YouTube videos.

Do that research and then come back and try to tell me that pizzagate is spam. If you do as I suggest, (you don’t have to if you don’t want to) you might discover that ritual satanic child abuse is not spam, and definitely not a laughing matter.

And the MSM, which is literally the propaganda mouthpiece of the “alphabet agencies” you are so quick to defend, went WAY out of their way to “debunk” pizzagate (which they failed to do by not asking the important questions). Any intelligent person would see their obviously feeble efforts as damage control.

It would be wildly entertaining if Hillary ate Barron’s first born, but would that not be just like the soap opera you’re so obsessed with currently? Sorry my friend, but I disagree with you on a fundamental level.

Pizzagate was never about ritualistic satanic child abuse but instead a political smear job. Where are the victims? And what have you done for the victims of child abuse? Have you volunteered at shelters or mentored those who have suffered it's horrors? As for Ted Gunderson....I thought we shouldn't trust a member of those very alphabet agencies the MSM is the propaganda arm of?

Ted Gunderson is dead now I’m pretty sure. But he was probably one of the good guys. Seeing as he quit the FBI and started giving speeches about ritual satanic child abuse. And actually, pizzagate was always about ritual satanic child abuse..

Like I said in my previous comment, we disagree on a very fundamental level..

Then we agree to disagree..I do wish you well in your search for truth though. Cheers

You as well.

Nope, it’s not the media at all. That’s the fortunate part of his narcissistic tweets is that they’re preserved forever.

Maybe it's because you idiots elected a narcissistic reality TV show star that has regular childish outbursts on Twitter as your president? The rest of the world still can't believe you guys were stupid enough to vote for him, all because he bullshitted and fed you some cheap MAGA slogan.

It's not all on the American people. If HRC was a better candidate she could have beat Trump. It's insane, and incredibly telling of her terribleness as a candidate and a person, that she lost to Donald Trump. Back the American People into a corner and they will take the insane, risky chance at change versus the woman who said everything was a-ok when it clearly isn't. At least Trump pretended to care- that's how he got elected.

The better candidate doesnt always win, obviously.

HRC wasn't the better candidate. She was terrible, both as a politician and a human being. She had the election handed her on a silver platter and lost.

She was clearly the better candidate. That's why 3 million more Americans voted for her over Trump.

California. She won California. Trump won the majority of counties in the majority of states and won a Constitutional election. HRC thought that she would win that way...until oops...she didn't. HRC shouldn't have even let Trump get close. She lost Democratic strongholds that were part of her "firewall" like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she never campaigned there more than 4 times after the convention. She was a terrible candidate, and because of that she lost to Trump, lol. Her ineptitude and hubris destroyed her.

California. She won California.

She won a lot of places, not just California.

Trump won the majority of counties in the majority of states

But not nearly the majority of Americans, because the majority went to Clinton, to the tune of 3 million more votes.

She lost Democratic strongholds that were part of her "firewall" like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she never campaigned there more than 4 times after the convention.

And also because uneducated rust belt voters fell for a Trump's lies about bringing back manufacturing jobs. That really bit them in the ass.

She was a terrible candidate,

She was an infinitely better candidate than Trump, in every single way. Her campaign definitely could have been run better, but Trump's bullshit populist rhetoric, constant lies, and racist dog whistles were enough to get him elected.

She won a lot of places, not just California.

And her entire Pop vote lead comes from Cali alone.

But not nearly the majority of Americans, because the majority went to Clinton, to the tune of 3 million more votes.

That doesn't matter. Not only did she pad those numbers with states like Cali, that's now how you win in this Republic. The EC is set up so as to make sure Presidential candidates don;t ignore the interior, which HRC did. And guess what? She lost because of it. Why? Because she was an inferior campaigner and a bad candidate, plain and simple.

And also because uneducated rust belt voters fell for a Trump's lies about bringing back manufacturing jobs. That really bit them in the ass.

Ahhh, "uneducated". Nope. Try hurting and in pain, and ignored by HRC who didn't campaign in Michigan and Wisconsin more than 4 fucking times after the Convention. She didn't have to lose the rust belt, her hubris and ineptitude lost it for her.

She was an infinitely better candidate than Trump, in every single way. Her campaign definitely could have been run better, but Trump's bullshit populist rhetoric, constant lies, and racist dog whistles were enough to get him elected.

Hillary was the far worse campaigner. She neglected key Democratic constituencies and paid the ultimate price. She was the worse candidate, had years of mistakes, political skeletons, and scandalous emails that destroyed her. A good candidate wouldn't have those issues...but HRC was HRC.

And her entire Pop vote lead comes from Cali alone.

Not how that works.

That doesn't matter. Not only did she pad those numbers with states like Cali,

You mean states where the vast majority of people live?

that's now how you win in this Republic.

Unfortunately not. We have a system where living in Ohio means your vote counts more than someone from New York. That's a shitty system.

The EC is set up so as to make sure Presidential candidates don;t ignore the interior,

That's not what the EC was set up to do. The EC is a relic of a bygone era, and needs to go the way of other outdated regulations.

Because she was an inferior campaigner and a bad candidate, plain and simple

Like I said, her campaign could have been run better, but she lost because Trump's populist lies and racist dog whistles appealed to uneducated white male voters in a huge way.

Ahhh, "uneducated". Nope°

Yup. The more educated you were, the more likely you were to vote HRC, in a huge way.

Try hurting and in pain

Try wishing for high paid manufacturing jobs when were transitioning to a service economy. That's that uneducated part coming back to bite them in the ass.

She was the worse candidate, had years of mistakes, political skeletons, and scandalous emails that destroyed her

She had a propaganda machine working against her for 30 years, and still won the popular vote by 3 million, and is still the most admired woman in America for the umpteenth time.

Not how that works.

Yup, it is. She won Cali by 3 million votes.

Unfortunately not. We have a system where living in Ohio means your vote counts more than someone from New York. That's a shitty system.

We have a system which ensures that a country the size of the US doesn't rip itself apart because the interior and country side is ignored in favor of the coasts and cities. Good system.

That's not what the EC was set up to do. The EC is a relic of a bygone era, and needs to go the way of other outdated regulations.

That's actually, exactly what it was set up for. But kk.

Like I said, her campaign could have been run better, but she lost because Trump's populist lies and racist dog whistles appealed to uneducated white male voters in a huge way.

She lost because she failed at campaigning and connecting with voters...which makes her a bad candidate lol.

Try wishing for high paid manufacturing jobs when were transitioning to a service economy. That's that uneducated part coming back to bite them in the ass.

You really are harping on this. You obviously don't know pain and poverty. Not the kind the Midwest has faced. People wanted answers. HRC gave them none, Trump may have lied but at least he pretended to care. HRC didn't give a fuck.

She had a propaganda machine working against her for 30 years, and still won the popular vote by 3 million, and is still the most admired woman in America for the umpteenth time.

All irrelevant. HRC lost to a fucking reality TV star because she was a shitty candidate and a shitty person.

Yup, it is. She won Cali by 3 million votes.

And she won a lot of other states by a lot of votes, just like Trump won a lot of states by a lot of votes. That's why it's not how it works.

We have a system which ensures that a country the size of the US doesn't rip itself apart because the interior and country side is ignored in favor of the coasts and cities. Good system.

It's a garbage system that just invalidated the votes of 3 million Americans.

That's actually, exactly what it was set up for

Considering how wrong you've been about nearly everything thus far, I'm not surprised that trend is continuing with this topic.

She lost because she failed at campaigning and connecting with voters...which makes her a bad candidate lol.

She was a fantastic candidate, but a bad campaigner, because she didn't focus enough on states she thought were in the bag. She was a fantastic candidate because she was smart, accomplished, ridiculously qualified, and had a long and illustrious career fighting for the American people.

You really are harping on this. You obviously don't know pain and poverty. Not the kind the Midwest has faced. People wanted answers. HRC gave them none, Trump may have lied but at least he pretended to care. HRC didn't give a fuck.

Bullshit. She went there and told them the hard truths, that those high paid manufacturing jobs weren't coming back, and they needed to transition their economies or be left in the dust. She spoke of programs that she would institute to make these ghost towns tech hubs and in line with a service economy. Those dumb fucks didn't want to hear it, so they went for Trump's lies about bringing back those jobs. They voted against their own interests and it's killing them now.

HRC lost to a fucking reality TV star because she was a shitty candidate and a shitty person.

She lost because of obvious propaganda that pandered to the lowest common denominator in this country.

It's a garbage system that just invalidated the votes of 3 million Americans.

HRC should have campaigned in a way that spoke to all Americans and then she would have won. The system is sound, HRC was a bad candidate tho.

Considering how wrong you've been about nearly everything thus far, I'm not surprised that trend is continuing with this topic.

Lol that's all you got, huh? You lie, then claim I lie, how sad of you. I wont be going anywhere. I'll still be here in r/conspiracy fighting the disinformation agents and the gullible fools with the Truth.

She was a fantastic candidate, but a bad campaigner, because she didn't focus enough on states she thought were in the bag. She was a fantastic candidate because she was smart, accomplished, ridiculously qualified, and had a long and illustrious career fighting for the American people.

She had a long, illustrious career of making terrible decisions, getting bad legislation passed, lying, using unsecured email servers, lying about that, and selling out this country to Corporate interests. But pretend she was the greatest candidate to ever run, lol.

Bullshit. She went there and told them the hard truths, that those high paid manufacturing jobs weren't coming back, and they needed to transition their economies or be left in the dust. She spoke of programs that she would institute to make these ghost towns tech hubs and in line with a service economy. Those dumb fucks didn't want to hear it, so they went for Trump's lies about bringing back those jobs. They voted against their own interests and it's killing them now.

She really didn't tho. She told coal miners they were out of work and then didn't explain how they wouldn't be left behind. She didn't care, and didn't pretend to care. You are so full of hate and want to pretend everyone is just so ignorant because the failure that was HRC lost, lol.

She lost because of obvious propaganda that pandered to the lowest common denominator in this country.

She lost because she was a bad candidate, LOL.

HRC should have campaigned in a way that spoke to all Americans and then she would have won.

She did, but the uneducated ones wanted the easy lies over the harsh truths.

The system is sound

The system told 3 million voters that they don't matter.

Everything else you're saying is just blatant lies. Just like the other conversation where you can't be truthful, there's no reason to continue this one if you can't have it honestly and in good faith.

She did, but the uneducated ones wanted the easy lies over the harsh truths.

Lmfao, no, she didn't. She abandoned core Democratic constituencies and lost because of it.

Everything else you're saying is just blatant lies. Just like the other conversation where you can't be truthful, there's no reason to continue this one if you can't have it honestly and in good faith.

Lol I'm not the one lying. But you're right, this convo is over. Have fun out there.

Lmfao, no, she didn't.

She did, so you're either misinformed, or blatantly lying.

My money is on the latter.

She did, so you're either misinformed, or blatantly lying.

Still trying to talk, eh? I thought this convo was over?

My money is on the latter.

Ahh, you have no recourse but to claim I'm intentionally lying, after you said the convo was over. Nice!

You mean Bernie, right? He would've beaten Trump. That treasonous cunt wouldn't have. Obviously.

Bernie couldn't even win his own primary. He lost to Clinton by a bigger margin than Trump did.

I never understood that argument. If Bernie couldn’t win the primaries how could he win the general?

The GOP never really tried to smear him much because most of their focus was on Hillary. Had Bernie gotten the nomination the knives would have come out. They would have dug up whatever they could and dragged him and his wife through the mud.

Bernie was cheated by HRC in the primaries, it was never fair to begin with.

Fake news.

Lmao the fact that you believe that is very telling. The DNC tilted the playing field, purged voter rolls in places like NYC, and altered the debate and primary schedule among other things. You claiming HRC didn't cheat is the fake news. Nice try tho.

The DNC tilted the playing field

No they didn't.

purged voter rolls in places like NYC,

Purged dead voters and those who moved, just like they always do, in NYC which outlandishly favored Clinton over Sanders anyway.

and altered the debate

That didn't happen either. The amount of debates were right on par with every Dem primary year except for 2008, when everyone was complaining that there were way too many.

and primary schedule among other things

That didn't happen either.

You claiming HRC didn't cheat is the fake news

You posting the same debunked list that always gets trotted out and debunked over and over again is fake news.

No they didn't.

Yes they did,

Purged dead voters and those who moved, just like they always do, in NYC which outlandishly favored Clinton over Sanders anyway.

Nope. Purged active voters, especially millennials, from voting in NYC boroughs like Brooklyn, that heavily favored Bernie because it is where he was born.

Oh look, here they are admitting they fucked up. But keep telling me it didn't happen LMAO.

Link- http://gothamist.com/2017/10/25/city_board_of_elections_admits_wron.php

2nd link- https://nypost.com/2017/10/25/nyc-elections-board-admits-to-purging-voters-from-rolls/

That didn't happen either. The amount of debates were right on par with every Dem primary year except for 2008, when everyone was complaining that there were way too many.

They cancelled the 4th and final debate before California that they promised to do. There were also far less debates than '08 in a year that needed to have those debates. HRC knew she lost to Obama because of those debates. It definitely slanted the field.

That didn't happen either.

Yes it did. They front loaded the Southern States at the beginning.

You posting the same debunked list that always gets trotted out and debunked over and over again is fake news.

Nothing I said is debunked, and your attempts at doing so are pathetic. HRC cheated Bernie out of the Primaries and went on to lose to Trump because of her hubris and ineptitude, and didn't campaign in essential Dem states like Wisconsin and Michigan. So again- nice try at changing history and defending the failed candidate that was HRC.

Nope. Purged active voters, especially millennials, from voting in NYC boroughs like Brooklyn, that heavily favored Bernie because it is where he was born.

Lies. Brooklyn, just like all of NYC, favored Clinton by huge margins.

They cancelled the 4th and final debate before California that they promised to do

Because there was no reason for it. Bernie was all but mathematically eliminated at that point, and they needed to shore up the base, not further divide it.

There were also far less debates than '08

There were the exact average amount of debates that there were every year, except for 08 where literally everyone said there were way too many.

HRC knew she lost to Obama because of those debates. It definitely slanted the field.

Complete nonsense.

Yes it did. They front loaded the Southern States at the beginning.

The way it's always done.

Nothing I said is debunked

Every single talking point of yours is either debunked or blatantly made up. .

Lies. Brooklyn, just like all of NYC, favored Clinton by huge margins.

Nope. Bernie was born in Brooklyn and polled well. Here's links to them admitting to purging the rolls, tho, since that's a "lie" LOL.

Link- http://gothamist.com/2017/10/25/city_board_of_elections_admits_wron.php

Link 2- https://nypost.com/2017/10/25/nyc-elections-board-admits-to-purging-voters-from-rolls/

Because there was no reason for it. Bernie was all but mathematically eliminated at that point, and they needed to shore up the base, not further divide it.

Ahhh. Unite the Party. Unite the Party by backing out of their promised debate. Bernie still wasn't mathematically eliminated. It was difficult but not impossible to make up the numbers with Cali, but let's ignore that I suppose LOL. And Unite the Party...behind a Corporatist warmonger who said "Single Payer will never ever come to pass" and was friends with war criminal Kissinger. HRC is a disgrace to the ideals of the New Deal and FDR.

There were the exact average amount of debates that there were every year, except for 08 where literally everyone said there were way too many.

And they still canceled the final one they agreed to lol.

Complete nonsense.

Only to an ignorant fellow. Considering Obama wiped the floor with HRC in almost every debate, got name recognition, and won the Primary. The debates were key.

Every single talking point of yours is either debunked or blatantly made up. .

Nope. All true, your attempts to lie your way out of that is hilarious, and betrays your motives. Go vote for another Corporatist shill like Kamala Harris of Deval Patrick. I'll be busy working to help return the Party to its New Deal roots and purge it of its DINO Corporatists.

Nope. Bernie was born in Brooklyn and polled well.

That is a lie. He polled way behind Clinton in all 5 boroughs, by huge margins.

Ahhh. Unite the Party. Unite the Party by backing out of their promised debate

Just like every primary, where it's clear who the candidate is going to be..

Bernie still wasn't mathematically eliminated. It was difficult but not impossible to make up the numbers with Cali,

It was literally impossible. He would have had to win every delegate from California, another state where Clinton was polling over him by double digit points.

behind a Corporatist warmonger who said "Single Payer will never ever come to pass

More lies. She fought for single payer in the 90s, and knew it wouldn't pass the way Bernie wanted to do it, which was absolutely true.

And they still canceled the final one they agreed to lol.

Just like they always do when there's a clear winner.

Considering Obama wiped the floor with HRC in almost every debate, got name recognition, and won the Primary. The debates were key.

Still just making things up, huh? She polled well after the debates, and they had one of the closest primary battles in history.

Nope. All true, your attempts to lie your way out of that is hilarious, and betrays your motives. Go vote for another Corporatist shill like Kamala Harris of Deval Patrick. I'll be busy working to help return the Party to its New Deal roots and purge it of its DINO Corporatists

You know we can see your comment history, right? You Trump fanatics parading as Bernie supporters are so obvious it's hilarious.

That is a lie. He polled way behind Clinton in all 5 boroughs, by huge margins.

lol kk.

It was literally impossible. He would have had to win every delegate from California, another state where Clinton was polling over him by double digit points.

And yet they were so afraid they still cancelled the final debate and called Cali before any votes were cast...LOL.

More lies. She fought for single payer in the 90s, and knew it wouldn't pass the way Bernie wanted to do it, which was absolutely true.

She literally said that in the debate, not lies LOL. Also, HRC's "single payer" bill was a disaster, written by the Insurance industry behind closed doors. HRC is a hack and a Corporatist.

Still just making things up, huh? She polled well after the debates, and they had one of the closest primary battles in history.

And Obama would never have won without those debates.

You know we can see your comment history, right? You Trump fanatics parading as Bernie supporters are so obvious it's hilarious.

Yes I do, and my comment history shows I am a very militant Progressive and Bernie supporter. But keep pretending I'm a Trumper, if it makes you feel better bud. I know it shocks and frightens you that people like me are fighting for a better Party and a non Corporatist candidate come 2020 so we can actually beat Trump. Pathetic.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll-new-york/index.html

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04132016-as-clinton-sanders-prepare-for-debate-ny-polls-v-1460581020-htmlstory.html

Literally every single poll had her up double digits all across NYC.

And yet they were so afraid they still cancelled the final debate and called Cali before any votes were cast...LOL.

Nonsense. They did what they always do when there's a clear winner, and focus on the general and shoring up he base.

She literally said that in the debate, not lies LOL. Also, HRC's "single payer" bill was a disaster, written by the Insurance industry behind closed doors. HRC is a hack and a Corporatist.

Not a single one of those things are true. Quelle surprise.

Yes I do, and my comment history shows I am a very militant Progressive and Bernie supporter. But keep pretending I'm a Trumper,

You do know you're arguing with me in another thread right now too, right? And that we can all see your comment history?

If you can't even be honest about your beliefs, and continue to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence, then there's no reason for this conversation to continue.

Nonsense. They did what they always do when there's a clear winner, and focus on the general and shoring up he base.

Oh look, here's the LAT itself calling out the AP for calling the Cali primary the day before any votes were cast...LOL

Link- http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-sanders-clinton-california-associated-press-20160607-snap-story.html

Not a single one of those things are true. Quelle surprise.

Oh look, here's HRC saying just that LOL -

Link- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7w3Oey3xs

Look up her legislation and the history of it, it was indeed written behind closed doors with massive input from the Insurance industry. Not lies.

You do know you're arguing with me in another thread right now too, right? And that we can all see your comment history?

Yes, I do. And I know you can see my comment history. It stands for itself- I'm not a Trump supporter and your pathetic attempt to paint me as one in an effort to defend the Corporatist HRC and her morally bankrupt Party is reprehensible. We're going to purge all the DINO's and get a real Progressive to run in 2020.

If you can't even be honest about your beliefs, and continue to lie in the face of overwhelming evidence, then there's no reason for this conversation to continue.

I am being honest, not lying, and dealing with your misinfo. But I agree, this convo has run its course. The Party will be reformed by the Progressive base and we will ensure Corporatists like Kamala and Deval don't get anywhere near winning the 2020 Primary. Have fun out there bud.

Oh look, here's the LAT itself calling out the AP for calling the Cali primary the day before any votes were cast...LOL

And? That has nothing to do with anything.

Oh look, here's HRC saying just that LOL -

Specifically talking about Sanders plan, just like I said. Thanks for linking that.

And? That has nothing to do with anything.

You said the calling Cali early was nonsense.

Specifically talking about Sanders plan, just like I said. Thanks for linking that.

It was more than that. You need to rewatch it. She knows what she is saying and her donors knew what she was saying. I'm glad I linked it, it shows HRC as the Corporatist hack she is. I thought this convo was over, tho? Do you want to continue? I'll be here all night ;)

You said the calling Cali early was nonsense

I said nonsense about them being afraid. The primary was so over, even the AP mistakenly called it early, because Sanders had no chance.

It was more than that

No, it's exactly that. She's been in favor of universal healthcare for 30 years, and your blatant lies won't change that. In fact, that very speech was about how to achieve just that by building on the Obamacare platform.

I thought this convo was over, tho?

It's hard to stop when someone is so blatantly lying to push an agenda. I can't help but call out bullshit where I see it.

No, it's exactly that. She's been in favor of universal healthcare for 30 years, and your blatant lies won't change that. In fact, that very speech was about how to achieve just that by building on the Obamacare platform.

Haha. Keep on lying about that. HRC's plan was bad, written by Insurance lobbyists, and expanding Obamacare doesn't lead to Single Payer. Obamacare is about coverage, not care. Insurance needs to be gotten rid of and universal care must be the goal.

It's hard to stop when someone is so blatantly lying to push an agenda. I can't help but call out bullshit where I see it.

Ooooh. Pushing an agenda? Nice. More smears and lies. Keep this up! You really can't decide whether to end the convo which you wanted to or to continue. Like I said, I'll be here all night!

Doesn't matter what nationality you are. If you fed into Trump's bullshit and it still hasn't dawned on you that he was a terrible candidate, there is literally no hope for you.

You literally just made a post about your beliefs.

The attack is relentless because he is continously doing and saying stupid shit. Why are you surprised that a president who acts like a petty child receives negative attention?

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When you act like a piece of shit, you get treated like one. Who knew.

Ha, "act". Singular. haha.

They were using act as a verb, not a singular noun.

If this has to be explained to you then you shouldn't be on this sub

You are a very ignorant idiot. You don't know me or my beliefs

Good troll.

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“a very ignorant idiot” dude come on

Many people can. I don't listen to the Corporate Propaganda Networks but I still don't support Trump. He's just a different side of the coin. I liken it to popular kids fighting for class president. They hate each other, but they still sit at the popular table, and could give a shit less about anyone below them. Trump represents a very different faction of the Elite but they are still the Elite and still raping this country.

HRC wasn't the answer. Neither is Trump.

I dunno if Bernie was the answer either, but he was a better shot imho.

I feel he was about as close to an answer as we were going to get. This was because he not only spoke of a movement of the People, but after he lost he helped set its continuance in motion with organizations like Our Revolution, working at the grassroots level to organize and take the Party from the Corporatists, and they've taken 8 State Parties so far. They had 18/21 of their endorsed candidates win in the special elections in early 2017, and 21/23 of their endorsed candidates won in November. This was at all levels from city council, state house, and even a congressman. This is how we actually accomplish real change.

That said, if someone disagrees with his politics then they definitely don't think he was/is part of the answer, and I understand that opinion, though I disagree with it.

My argument to the whole Bernie thing is at the end he showed he was still willing to tote the part line and eventually gave Hilary his nod. It’s just a metaphor for the greater picture of “following g orders” and so on. So if pressed the argument could be made that he would eventually tote the party line and not really do anything different that what was planned. He got completely fucked by Hillary and after being pressured he still gave her his endorsement. If that doesn’t show you his true colors then I don’t know what does.

The bigger scandal here, to me, is she didn't steal it illegally. DNC was actually within their rights to fuck everyone.

I'm genuinely baffled that the masses can't see through the shit the MSM put out

Can you explain what they are missing and 'can't see'?

That they are putting out as much anti-Trump propaganda as possible?

You mean, they are lying, making stuff up? Because while I agree there is an obnoxious Trump overload from the MSM, I don't see lies and propaganda, I see him being a complete turd 24/7 and them obsessing over covering this bad behavior.

Often lying and taking things out of context, yes. It sounds like their propaganda has been successful on you.

What are the lies then? No need to cite them just from your memory.

I don't want to waste too much time, but just look at some of the new claims from the new book that the media has been clamoring over. For example, Trump demanded a "Gorilla Channel" where the gorillas fight, and he watches it all day. The Piss Dossier is also full of lies.

For example, Trump demanded a "Gorilla Channel" where the gorillas fight, and he watches it all day.

Can you give me the chapter and page number for the Gorilla Channel reference?

So you can't explain what your own words vaguely reference?

Maybe you are the conspiracy!

This is barely scratching the surface, but these are some of the bigger errors coming from the media in regards to Trump. I threw in a few links on Wikileaks because the media uses the same tactics for them. A larger list covering more media errors from Fox News, CNN, RT, etc can be read in this post: Huge list with examples of false reporting coming from the major media networks. CNN, Washington Post, Fox News, New York Times, Guardian, NBC, ABC, etc.

False reports on Trump/Russia:

1) CNN:

CNN claimed the Trump campaign was given special access to Wikileaks documents before they were published based on an email they said was dated September 4, prior to the release of those documents. They updated the story to show that the email was actually dated September 14, after the documents were made public, which means some random person messaged the Trump Campaign about public information, which is a non-story. Updated CNN article.

2) From CNN

Washington (CNN) In his much-anticipated congressional testimony on Thursday, fired FBI Director James Comey will dispute President Donald Trump's blanket claim that he was told he was not under investigation multiple times, according to sources familiar with Comey's thinking.

CORRECTION AND UPDATE: This article was published before Comey released his prepared opening statement. The article and headline have been corrected to reflect that Comey does not directly dispute that Trump was told multiple times he was not under investigation in his prepared testimony released after this story was published.

3) From CNN

"In the aftermath of the retraction of a story published on CNN.com, CNN has accepted the resignations of the employees involved in the story's publication," a spokesman said Monday evening. The story, which reported that Congress was investigating a "Russian investment fund with ties to Trump officials," cited a single anonymous source.

4) From Wash Post

Original title that they have changed, which you can verify by checking the url: "Russian hackers penetrated U.S. electricity grid through a utility in Vermont, officials say.”

Correction article: Russian government hackers do not appear to have targeted Vermont utility, say people close to investigation

5) Slate, which didn't even retract the story yet: Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia?

Debunked by Wash Post

6) Fortune Magazine: Correction: This story originally ran under the headline “C-SPAN Confirms It Was Briefly Hacked by Russian News Site.” C-SPAN confirmed that an interruption took place but has not yet identified the cause of the interruption.

7) The Guardian: "This article was amended on 29 December 2016 to remove a sentence in which it was asserted that Assange “has long had a close relationship with the Putin regime”. A sentence was also amended which paraphrased the interview, suggesting Assange said “there was no need for Wikileaks to undertake a whistleblowing role in Russia because of the open and competitive debate he claimed exists there”. It has been amended to more directly describe the question Assange was responding to when he spoke of Russia’s “many vibrant publications”."

8) New York Times: James Comey: a controversial New York Times story in February about alleged contacts between Trump intimates and Russian officials was bogus. “In the main, it was not true,” he said. “The challenge, and I’m not picking on reporters, about writing stories about classified information is the people talking about it often don’t really know what’s going on and those of us who actually know what’s going on are not talking about it,” said Comey during questioning from Sen. James Risch (R-Idaho). “And we don’t call the press and say, ‘Hey, you got that thing wrong.’ ”

9) New York Times: Notorious "17 intelligence agencies agree" claim retracted by the New York Times. (It was actually 3 agencies according to Former director of National Intelligence Clapper)

10) NBC News:

“EXCLUSIVE: Putin does not deny having compromising information on President Trump in interview with @megynkelly.” https://twitter.com/keridouglas/status/871514544480415744/photo/1

"CORRECTION: Putin denies having compromising information about President Trump, calls it nonsense https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/871519148085583873

11) from ABC News:

JUST IN: @BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians." https://web.archive.org/web/20171201162158/https:/twitter.com/ABC/status/936628560374071296

CLARIFICATION of ABC News Special Report: Flynn prepared to testify that President-elect Donald Trump (not candidate Trump as initially reported) directed him to make contact with the Russians during the transition -- initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria, confidant now says. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936760299146956800

Mediaite on ABC's error: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-issues-on-air-clarification-to-report-about-flynn-russian-outreach-and-trump/

The reason this "news" was so big was because it was basically evidence of collusion. After they corrected it, it's no longer evidence of collusion. It's just normal presidential business.

12) The Hill:

The Hill writes article and Tweets claim that "Report: Trump admin denied Puerto Rico request to let victims use food stamps for fast food."

This is the article after it has been corrected: Trump officials allow Puerto Ricans to use food stamps for hot food

13) NPR claims Wikileaks posted Macron leaks and also claims some of the documents were fake so they could tarnish Wikileaks' reputation, had to issue a correction stating that they don't know who leaked them. See the tweet and comments here: https://twitter.com/NPR/status/860936844942430210

I used to never be able to listen to conservative media because it would be all Obama all the time. Now I can't listen to main stream media because it's all Trump all the time.

I see it less as a conspiracy than a natural feedback loop, though. Trump wants this - he stays in the news and gets to look like the anti-establishment hero because the media attacks him. The media wants this - they get viewers and an endless amount of material for their 24-hour news cycle. TPTB want this, too - it keeps everyone divided up into their own little media enclosures, but I don't think they have to do anything special to promote it.

Many see it, don't worry. You are right, he has been relentlessly attacked.

As much as I dislike Obama, I saw effigies of him being lynched at parades, his likeness was used as that of Satan in a documentary, he was called a nigger, etc etc...

The most watched TV news shows and listened to radio shows blasted him on the daily and even pushed the birther theory.

Let's not act like he didn't get shit on by the opposing side either.

You're completely lying to yourself if you are in any way comparing every mainstream outlet railing daily against every word that comes out of Trump's mouth or Twitter to the way Obama was treated. Obama wasn't even criticized on his actual policies, like him legalizing indefinite detention of American citizens. Most people still don't know that even happened.

If the one following in your footsteps is Donald Trump, you're most likely going to appear saintly in comparison.

The media praised Obama and thought he was the Messiah.

Fuck yeah, it’s like a giant bee hive that gets louder and louder everyday. Everything is about shitting on trump and laughing at him. It’s fucking crazy.

You must be very young or weren't paying attention in the past.

Is it just me or does it seem like the message being sent to "his base" is to abandon him. Seems like those in power might be us about done with him and he's all used up in their opinion.

That’s exactly what they’re doing because he’s probably going to run in 2020 and the other side wants his base to abandon him so it makes their candidate look more attractive, and it means less votes for Trump.

I think it’s not necessarily the message of “Trump bad”, “abandon all hope ye who Trump here”, but it’s more of “overwhelm them with Trump to the point where voting for him, and 4 more years of this, makes them feel sick”. Eventually people get tired, even if it’s fabricated bullshit, and want something different just to make it stop. It’s literally a form of torture.

the MSM has put out shit, this is true. but it's such transparent and illogical shit that i find it hard to believe it's what would normally occur with a candidate. which is to say that it smells of a setup intended to paint him as a public hero against the evil forces of the swamp. Trump is the swamp. this wasn't apparent initially but it's pretty clear now. good people don't threaten nuclear action. they don't take the selfish road AS A POLICY. Trump does. that's all you need to know. i'd be wary of whatever setups are planned because they're likely planned to ratchet up a police state. these people know their time is up and they will do anything to stop that. the public cannot let fomented division define itself. it must recognize the core values that made the country what it is, and align with those things instead of with artificial division whose narrative is written by a select few and only goes towards the ends they want. we cannot and must not follow the script designed for us. that is the threat.

Yup, they turned up the propaganda machines to full-power for Trump. Propaganda has always been incredibly potent, and you can see how many people fully buy into it. Plenty of people in this very sub are especially disposed to being propagandized, which is sort of paradoxically a big part of why they come here.

Well put brother we see it the same.

The media praised Obama and thought he was the Messiah.

You're completely lying to yourself if you are in any way comparing every mainstream outlet railing daily against every word that comes out of Trump's mouth or Twitter to the way Obama was treated. Obama wasn't even criticized on his actual policies, like him legalizing indefinite detention of American citizens. Most people still don't know that even happened.

Good troll.

California. She won California. Trump won the majority of counties in the majority of states and won a Constitutional election. HRC thought that she would win that way...until oops...she didn't. HRC shouldn't have even let Trump get close. She lost Democratic strongholds that were part of her "firewall" like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she never campaigned there more than 4 times after the convention. She was a terrible candidate, and because of that she lost to Trump, lol. Her ineptitude and hubris destroyed her.

You as well.