I’m disappointed in all the political posts. I’m getting more and more irritated with the ubiquity of Trump love/hate in all aspects of life. To be blunt, It’s painfully obvious that politics is a giant soap opera with allegations of wrong doing, smear campaigns, shit talking. CNN and FOX are the TMZ that deliver this crap. Stop buying into this “team” mentality with Republicans and Democrats they are both fucking us in the ass while they live it up and play politics during the day. No one of importance ever goes to jail, there’s allegations and evidence and grand juries and probes but no one ever gets canned. Our political system is reality television.

So true. People now hate each other because of their political viewpoint, like it is the most important thing in the world. America is more divided than ever and this is mostly due to the reach media and social media has nowaday. The extreme left and extreme right is the thing that is shown and being talked about, while this is 1-2% of the people. Most of the people just want to live peacefully together, but oh! whats that a Trump/Hillary sign in your garden? Now I suddenly hate you and will never talk to you since you are probably the same as that 1% that gets shown on tv.

America is more divided than ever

What does that even mean?

America is more divided than ever

What does that even mean?

I found this study quite interesting on it:

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/the-partisan-divide-on-political-values-grows-even-wider/

I am not from the US, so I can't give you any examples on how I experienced it myself.

It’s painfully obvious that politics is a giant soap opera

Yep, and yet people who consider themselves 'awake' continue to watch and get triggered.

What a bunch of lemmings.

I'm more disappointed in all of the people who are offended by Trump's words for the soul purpose of attacking him and not because they care about other nations. I see the same thing with people who get upset about the Syria Refugees and refuse to acknowledge our Foreign policy under Obama created that situation, or even going further back, Bush & Cheney's decision to destablize the region. I get it, Trump is a fucking moron that says dumb shit all the time, and creates distractions from talking about the real issues. Why does no one talk about the fact we have an 800 Billion military budget to kill brown people in shit hole countries??? How about we spend half that provided clean water and food to people in those countries? Probably because the Military Industrial Complex isn't interested in that and doesn't help to create more terrorists to further their agenda.

Sure, we can here, but good luck try it in a sub like r/politics. Been doing it for years.

I feel the same way. And the constant attacks on everything trump does is getting pretty old. I did not vote for the guy and I personally cannot stand the guy and worry that his lack of political and foreign policy understanding puts him in a position where he can only rely on the word of people around him... but when he gets criticism for every little thing (like having small hands or the way he drinks water...for fuck sake) the real and important criticism gets lost. I now have a hard time (more closely) following what the man does politically because I have to dig through so much bullshit to see anything of actual importance.

I really wish more people would discuss the absurd defense budget, or the fact that Obama’s and Bush’s foreign defense policy destroyed lives and created quagmire “shit holes”. It’s truly disgusting.

It’s true and it ends up driving people to start sticking up for the guy because the attacks are ridiculous. So when you point out the absurdity of it all, then you get labeled and harassed for being a Trump supporter.
So in essence, these crazy attempts are driving more and more people straight to team Trump.

Seriously. It really has me baffled. Also, when the left is constantly attacking him over all this minor inconsequential bs, it downs out actual legitimate issues with the guy... which does not work in the left’s favor. So I’m left wondering, is that an intentional move (for reasons that are currently unclear), or is there just so many liberal persons with a platform obsessed with attacking the guy they don’t even see that they are working against themselves in the long run?

I think the later of the two honestly. And I say that because most of the people around me IRL are the ones I’m referring to, not just the attacks here on Reddit. I expect that here, you know with the paid trollers and whatnot. But I’m talking grown ass men & women, otherwise sound and logical, losing their collective minds. They don’t see it. They cannot grasp the concept of what they are doing is pushing people away, not drawing them in.

I blame the media, Hollywood and social media for encouraging this behavior, thus setting this mindset in stone. Reinforcing these silly attacks is causing great harm.

I personally have gone underground since the election. No more FB, no more serving on the neighborhood board, no tv at all, no nothing. I’m surrounded by people that think it’s ok to behave in the manner, and I’m in a red state. I can’t take it and I’ll be damned if I’m going to allow anyone to label me a racist, nazi, alt-right or whatever for pointing out their lunacy. Has it pushed me to defend Trump, yes it has. Has it pushed me from ever voting left again, probably.

Yes I find myself sympathetic towards his ass even though I’m disgusted by the whole show. The attacks are relentless

It’s hard not to be sympathetic to anyone getting attacked undeservingly, unless you are just blinded by manufactured hate.

It’s truly disgusting.

Really? Disgusting? You are disgusted by it?

Deeply so.

Great points. It’s some Lord of the Flies shit, almost as if they won’t stop until he’s dead. It’s ridiculous. Serious question. If Trump were assassinated how many scumbags would celebrate his death? It’s out of control

Agreed. We should build these places up rather than cut each other down to defend the right to suppress development in these places.

The sad part is you'll never hear that opinion in the MSM. Hell, look at what MSNBC did to Phil Donahue in the lead up to the Iraq war. https://youtu.be/ozxzNjRqCiE

"it's funny that MSNBC is liberal now...it would be interesting to see if another war came, how liberal they would be."

The lines between these ideologies have been so blurred and bastardized that most likely couldn't define them by their classical interpretations.

Surprisingly enough, video games have put it best;

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before

I'm going to show as much sympathy for people attacking Trump for its own sake...as Trump shows to countries that have been raped and pillaged by the West for centuries: None. Hundreds of millions have died in these places because of the West's wars, genocides, and (at their best) colonial mismanagement. Next to that, who gives a shit if someone piles on Trump disingenuously? Like good God what a petty thing to care about. I hope he chokes on a big mac and dies and they hang him upside down in front of the White House by his shitty drawers.

I couldn't care less if Trump died... Well, Pence makes me more nervous, but that's neither here nor there. Regardless, I think what has really pissed me off was my hope that with a Trump presidency the antiwar left that we had under Bush would come back, but it hasn't. In fact, I see a lot of people who totally ignore our foreign policy and how it creates situations the MSM uses to justify more foreign intervention. It's an evil cycle and very few point it out.

Damn you just proved my point and I just saw your comment. Wishing death or being indifferent about the president of your country dying is ludicrous. You’ve been brain washed if you think that.

I wouldn't have batten an eye if Bush or Obama died either. They literally have killed millions world wide based on lies, waisted trillions with nothing to show, all while stealing our civil liberties and shoving a surveillance state up our ass.

You’re backtracking now. Own your shit

I'm not back tracking on shit, I have a decade of post behind me that says otherwise.

This post is a shithole.

Rude

This post is a shit show. Better?

I'll allow it

I don't see you address anywhere, the fact that people are different. I'm sorry you expected this sub to remain the one thing holding our society back, namely being delusional and liberal.

Compassion for the sake of compassion is a liberal, delusional trait.

Where could hating other random people possibly get us?

Do you know what misinformation is? Unintentional or not it has an effect. And it isn't random, I will tell you exactly why communists need to be shot, they cannot understand the theory they are pushing for will not work for the people championing it. They are fucking delusional, and can't see imbedded catch-22s.

You mean racially different, correct? That's what you're getting at?

As in different origins, languages, needs? Then yes.

As in different origins, languages, needs? Then yes.

For all the people here who complain about "The elites screwing us" it's hilarious how so many have exactly zero sympathy for the entire countries and regions of the world that elites exploited, destroyed, and sucked dry decades or centuries ago. None. They'll defend Trump calling places like Africa and Haiti shitholes full of undesirable people, both of which have been mercilessly exploited and raided for centuries by the West, because it's more important to them to defend their fuhrer than actually analyze how the elites destroy this world one people at a time.

Also a bunch of people here are full-on white supremacists, and somehow think everyone who calls them bad words like "racist" are the elitist ones, lol, okay. Suggest to them that maybe the multi-century plunder and rape of Africa by Europe (and, more recently, China) might have something to do with the current situation there and they blow a fucking gasket. Suggest to them that maybe generations of oppression and shuffling of minorities into lead-painted housing might have more to do with the IQ gap than genetics, and they blow a gasket. They're more concerned with protecting the reputations of long-dead assholes with the same color skin as them than they are with actually fighting the real elites: the global capitalist class.

They'll only give a shit about the victims of the elites when it's their own personal friends and family, and that's why they're utterly and completely useless in the fight. Up until then, they'll just rationalize the suffering of those victims as deserved or a "natural" result of "human biodiversity." What a crock of shit from a gaggle of charlatans who will never contribute anything to this world except spit-shining their masters' boots right before their own necks finally get stomped on.

This. These “shit hole” countries have a deep history of being exploited which is a predominant part of what has left them in ruins. Trump routinely speaks without thinking and his sentiment is held by many Americans because they are unaware of the unpleasant history these countries have. It’s a real shame that so many people cannot see the parallels between their own existence and that of others. Th exploitation game is not new; it did not originate here in the US and it definitely exists outside our borders as well.

The good that can come out of his saying this is the conversation that can arise, bringing awareness to the history of exploitation many parts of the world have experienced. Every one of our blunders is an opportunity for better conversation and education if we approach it properly. This one is no exception. (Me trying to be positive).

deep history of being exploited

Can you name a single country on earth where the peasantry ('working class) are not exploited?

Absolutely not. We all are. That’s why this should be unifying but for many Americans, it’s not. That’s what makes it so gross. There are people who believe the exploitation only happens there or only happens here, but that’s simply bullshit that prevents us from working to help one another and overcome this, the biggest challenge.

Iceland, the peasants stormed the banks and parliament in reaction to the 2008 econonic crash. It was bad ass.

Nice generalization.

Go cry about it. The trends I remarked on are real, if you want to ignore them and just find a way to quickly dismiss my analysis then that's your prerogative, you join the ranks of the useless.

A community that cannot engage in reflective self-critique will fall to its own lowest common denominator.

This is exactly why anti-Zionism is such a joke these days: they refuse to weed the actual anti-Semites out of their own ranks, because that's too tough of a conversation to have. They're more concerned with having large numbers than making sure everyone's in the fight for the right reasons.

Not gonna cry about it, because your post is a gross mischaracterization of the people here. I have seen VERY little actual "white nationalist" viewpoints here. Actually, I don't even remember the last time I saw such comments.

I also see very little people actually being Trump supporters. The people you are probably referring to are those who think the Trump/Russia "collusion!!111!"/"Manchurian candidate" narrative is an utter, steaming pile of horse shit. These folks, including me, don't rationalize his behavior, nor do we pretend that Trump and co's financial crimes and money laundering are all "fake news."

Up until then, they'll just rationalize the suffering of those victims as deserved or a "natural" result of "human biodiversity." What a crock of shit from a gaggle of charlatans who will never contribute anything to this world except spit-shining their masters' boots right before their own necks finally get stomped on.

Like here, I have absolutely no fucking idea where you even saw such behavior here. I'm on /r/conspiracy often and am active in the discussions here.

We seem to agree on matters of global dominance and the like, but your generalizations are grossly inaccurate and misleading to the point of incredulity.

I agree completely with your thoughts, hoping we will see more people waking up to the divide-and-conquer mentality.

So you're here to chastise us?

Sorry, Mom.

Sorry, I don't care about words. I'm sick of "political correctness" being more important than what's actually happening in those countries. It's virtue signaling, that's it. Most of the people bitching about words don't give a second thought to those actual people suffering in those countries. Nor do they care why those countries are the way they are in the first place.

Just like President Trump. The words he used stated he did not give a second thought to those actually suffering in those countries, nor the way those countries are in such a state to begin with. That’s sort of the point; that he too is one of those people. The language being considered offensive is neither here nor there. But it’s offensive to many because of the lack of concern for the people of those exploited countries left in shambles.

Their countries are "shitholes." Which isn't the their fault in the least.

Why don't you do some research on why they stay that way? I agree with the second half of your post, but why do you care about a word so much? If anything, maybe it will call some attention to what's going on. Why doesn't the media cover THAT instead? Ask yourself why that is.

Do you care that it's being done on a daily basis? By politicians, by the media, by your fellow citizens even?

Divide and conquer is nothing new.

Triggered as fuck you are.

Keep virtue signalling how anti-PC you are and how everyone is bitching about dumb stuff. I seriously cannot count how many times I hear people opening with, "It's not PC to say, but..." Seriously, shut up, nobody of value gives a shit if you personal contextualize your shittiness as being rebellious or noteworthy.

Yes, I'm "triggered" by the mass hypocrisy, and people that pretend to care about something only when it suits their political beliefs, finding words more offensive that actual people starving and dying.

Looks like you're part of the problem.

Welcome to the americircus.

I'm disappointed the MSM didn't explore why Haiti is still in the situation it is in when $500M was raised specifically to raise the standards for the people of that country.

I'm more disappointed that everybody took the media at face value. It's much more likely that Trump didn't even say that and they printed the stories to generate controversy about the president.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajhjjjhjhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Disappointing is something you do to yourself with your unreasonable expectations

We made our bed, and now we are complaining about sleeping in it. The anger on one side and the justifications on the other side are both distractions.

On the other hand, I want to see the tape, the context. If a place is a shit hole, and you can't say it, because of the PC police, there is that too.

We could have been working to make places less shitty. Instead, we turn our country over to people who are making the world shittier faster than it can be fixed. I voted for Jill, and you should have too. We would have a whole different level of problem than this nightmare.

Really? This was your first post here?

slow clap

I would say that maybe it's the media that's to blame for this current shit hole we find ourselves in? Honestly, a 2 minute news clip would suffice. I was surrounded by shit holes yesterday on the news, I couldn't escape it. Shit holes everywhere. To me that seems more telling that it might have been blown way out of proportion.

So just agree with the people who defended Trump and you’ve beaten the divide & conquer ploy...

Umm dude your post is instead playing right into it? You are basically saying ‘Why are you all agreeing with the bad man & defending his bad words, when good people, the people in MY group, the right people think what he said is terrible?’ You just drew the line in the sand & divided.

Not that there wasn’t already division sewn by the whole debacle before your post came along, but the only point of your post as I can see it is to once again try to get people to argue about who is right or wrong instead of keeping their eye on the ball, and the irony is that you then claim to be warning people about how these issues lead to division.

If you don’t want to feel ‘disappointed’ or divided then I’d advise you ignore the political opinions posted.

This is not the place to be discussing who is right or wrong.

Now if you simply posited that you believed that Trump said such divisive things as part of his role in tptb and ensuring the people are divided then fine, but you didn’t.

Instead you posted ‘your personal disappointment’, you posted ‘your opinion of what is morally right & wrong’ (and I am not saying I think you are wrong in that opinion) and so continued and reproduced the division effect here.

No matter where you go there are assholes & idiots, hell apparently these days half of them are paid to be so. What was the point of your post? Did you just want to scold? Did you hope some might say hey yeah I’m a Trump supporter but I’m not going to defend him in this case because this person is right about the divide & conquer thing? I got the impression your post was just to vent your frustration, but this isn’t r/venting and if you think you can take that tone and not have some people come down on you, paid or just well-intentioned then you are very naive. Looked like waving a red cloth in front of a few bulls to me.

Anyway it’s working, you’re wasting my time arguing. 😂

It’s not about who’s right or wrong here, it’s about whether there was a conspiracy or not!! If you don’t get the point I am trying to make let it go and I am now also letting it go, because it doesn’t matter if you are right or if I am right here. We aren’t giving evidence of a conspiracy so it’s time to move on.

Edit: Punctuation marks that impacted meaning.

Two Republicans in attendance, Senator Tom Cotton and David Perdue, said they did not “recall” Mr Trump making the remark but Republican Senator Lindsey Graham is believed to have told people privately that the president did use the phrase “s**thole countries”.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-denies-using-the-term-sthole-countries-when-referring-to-immigrants-from-haiti-and-african-nations/news-story/a4ab7b6649c1ff6f6d3876a40576d64b

Do you think those two colluded & possibly with others, not to tell the truth about what Trump said or is the Press simply taking some Democrats word on what Trump said because it sells papers and upsets the public?

Now see that there is a conspiracy! Much more interesting to think about.

As to your comment god help this sub if everyone posted their ‘disappointment’ every time they had a gripe with what other users said.

EDIT:

is believed to have told people privately that the president did use the phrase “s**thole countries...

‘believed’...

‘told [unidentified & unnamed] people’, ...

‘privately’ [so to the source and perhaps others yet the journalist doesn’t even refer to a source, not even an unnamed one]...

Damn that is some shonky ass, suspicious story telling right there!

I said I’d let it go, & I shall.

I said I’d let it go, & I shall.

Let’s take this topic and talk about conspiratorial issues that might evolve from it. Why did he say it? Something deeper? Why did everyone blow this up in the media? I’d rather hear bogus conspiracies than to hear an opinion on whether or not his claim is true/untrue or right/wrong

If you want bogus conspiracy theories then you have certainly come to the right place.

i've no problem with the crux of your post and agree with the basic premise (though paragraphs would have been helpful), but tying this too shitholegate is playing into the very manipulation and divisiveness you condemn.

why be disappointed by people disagreeing with you? disagreement is not divisiveness, however, telling people you disagree with that you are "deeply disappointed" in them for doing so, esp given you do not know them and they owe you nothing, is shifting a debate into shaming, and a no true scotsman scenario.

you have created two groups, those on r/conspiracy who are true r/conspiracy members who understand the top/bottom dichotomy and those who are not because they do not, as evinced by agreeing that the countries trump called shitholes are in fact shitholes. all who agree that countries like haiti are shitholes, are, according to you (someone who admittedly does not post here or believe that JFK and 9/11 are conspiracies), are not true members of r/conspiracy.

can you see my problem with that?

i cannot speak to what trump believes in his heart or even what he truely means when he says anything at all (my guess is he means nothing, he just says whatever pops into his head at anygiven moment), however, i personally have not seen anyone equating the citizens of trump's shithole countries, with being shitholes themselves. i also, coming from a far left, historical materialist perspective, disagree strongly that calling shithole locals, jobs, govts, feeds into the elite's ploy to break and prevent our solidarity. it creates solidarity.

exploitation only works by blowing smoke up people's asses about how good they really have it. if you tell someone their life is shitty, their job is shitty, where they live is shitty, their govt is shitty, it wakes them up, opens their eyes, breaks the spell, and motivates them to act to unshithole their circumstances.

haiti is a shithole. it is a god awful place to live, and no one knows that better than haitians themselves. people paid attention to them for a week or two in 2010, but then their shitty state of affairs slipped into oblivion, and the world ceased to care. the president of the united states just confirmed what haitians have been trying to get the world to see for years--haiti is a shithole that is not fit, in its present condition, for human habitation.

the blowback by countries like norway calling us a shithole country may actually resonate with people here and get them off their asses and into the streets with pitchforks to unshithole our own country. prob not, but one can hope.

your view is quite patronizing to poor countries. you demand we take pity on them. it's not their fault. they are doing the best they can. they are just human beings. they are just poor. here's the thing, being poor is shitty. poor locals, whether missippi or mosambique, are shitholes. just as was the east end of london in the 19th century, and appalachia since forever. calling spades spades doesn't demean the people there, it vindicates them. it doesn't imply it is their fault, it shines light on the fact the problem is structural. shitholedness is always structural.

structural problems are understood to be the result of exploitation.

the only people who can fix haiti are haitians. this is true for everywhere in the world. unfortunately, foriegn aid often only makes things worse, so the options are limited and exceedingly difficult. the most capable of haitians are the ones coming here, syphoning off a vital resource to haiti's rejuvination. they come here precisely because the feel that haiti is a hopeless cause...and a shithole. i know so, because unlike most, i actually have haitian neighbors and live in the US county with the most haitians of all.

it is one thing to say everyone who wants to come to america should be able to do so, it is another to actually be able to accomodate them when they come without displacing any already here, esp since we do such a piss poor job accomodating people born here. the norwegians rweeting that we are a shithole arent6that far off.

You don't believe there was a conspiracy and a cover-up around the JFK assassination. That makes you a self-confessed idiot. Please keep your idiot opinions to yourself.

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So you’re all about that divide and conquer strategy, huh? No need to get mean about some of his personal beliefs differing from yours.

He doesn't believe in conspiracy theories in general, but came here to make a blanket political criticism that isn't even accurate. He might as well be an elite pedophile.

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Don't repost the same shit if I just removed it. That's a great way to find yourself on a vacation. This is your only warning. Telling someone they have an "idiotic opinion" is not acceptable.

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Trump's shithole country comments bring to the surface some interesting issues.

Most people feel that that comment is very inapproriate when taken out of context, however people who have come to support Trump because of other much bigger and more important reasons are put in a position where they feel obligated to defend Trump on this specific issue, but in their heafts actually think its an awful comment.

Are there shithole countries where corruption is endemic, citizens fighting other citizens, and ppl prefer to live as uneducated heretics?

Yes there are, but im 100% sure that shithole countries like Chad don't like to be referred to as shithole countries. Adding insult to injury is the fact that in many instances, US involvment in shithole countries has made shithole countries even shittier.

However...

people just getting warmed up to Trump, but take offense to the 'shithole country' comment will do what I call 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.

explanation: 'he said that one mean thing so nothing else he says or does can be good'

There is also a growing body of evidence that Trump uses twitter messages strategically, knowing that messages will be interpreted by one group in one way and another group another way. There are a lot of psy ops and smokescreens in the media and the whitehouse these day. Most of what MSM pushes these days against Trump is out of context comments and hearsay.

Whats disturbing about MSM is recently they have been putting together out of context statements with lies. This is the partial truth weapon, 'we showed that this one quote is irrefutably true so everything else is true'. Wolff's new Fire and Fury book is a great example of this

I am disappointed in r/conspiracy today is because it seems to play right into the divide and conquer mentality that many at the top push on us.

I have to disagree with you on that.

Trump just said what many many people have thought for years!

The idea is that people at the top manipulate those of us below them into joining groups, whether it’s groups based on religion, race, nationality, politics, etc

No need for anyone to do that. We do that ourselves naturally by own free will. We naturally will gravitate and put ourselves into groups.

Instead of seeing the manipulative people at the top as the true enemy, we are tricked into seeing each other as the enemy

Not everyone out there is our friend. Just because some at the top are not allies, does not mean that everyone down here with us is one.

The people in these supposed “shithole” countries aren’t the problem, they are people just like you and me, they are people just trying to get through life without having to take too much shit from the corrupt politicians and businessmen of their respective countries.

And it's not the responsibility of the Western Nations to fix them. Not out job to take those people in. They might come from a shit hole place to live that is shit due to no fault of their own...does not mean the West has to take them in.

If humanity is to stand any chance against the corrupt few that poison and leech off of the rest of society then we need to stand together as a whole and not cast out whole groups of people just because they are from a poor country or just because they look different from you.

we are not a whole. Short of overt Planetary threat Humanity will never stand together, and then only in self preservation...not out of brotherhood.

Humans have always been and for the foreseeable future will continue a tribal species.

Those countries are shit holes and everyone knows it. That's why people get kidnapped and raped and killed there. It's why the communities deal out instant Justice by killing thieves and rapists when caught because there is not government capable of maintaining an actual Justice system. And the people from those countries, especially the poor and uneducated tend to reflect the shit hole state of those countries and it's why we don't want them here unless they can demonstrate a skill or trade that is useful to a 1st world society.

Huh, thats funny because it applies to the US too. Maybe he was not referring to specific countries per say but a certain type of poor person, like you just did.

You're absolutely right.

And expanding on that though let's look at the biggest shit hole cities and who runs them.

Whoops!

Where I live it’s all those red neck trailer parks, strange.

Nice racial component you added in there.

Anyways I wasn't talking race, but single parent homes regardless of race is the best predictor of crime. I doubt you can find any statistics that show a higher crime rate in trailer parks than the inner city.

Good luck with your racism.

Yeah that’s what you meant. Also didn’t Trump end the great PC war before the Christmas Conflict ended?

No I didn't mean race, I didn't say race or imply race.

You did however so thanks for outing yourself as an anti-white activists.

No I didn't mean race, I didn't say race or imply race.

You did however so thanks for outing yourself as an anti-white activists.

I love white people. There are nice people on all sides.

Good recovery.

In this shit hole world sarcasm is all that is left.

My real position is that all poor and middle class are driven to hate each other over stupid issues like race, gender, sexuality and class when the real shit heads laugh all the way to the bank. That includes Trump.

His words were based in racism and classism. It’s that simple.

Which words?

The trailer park comment of course.

The trailer park comment of course.

That was your comment

His words were based in racism and classism. It’s that simple.

So you admit that you're a racist.. interesting.

Pretty sure I was being sarcastic his words were not sarcastic in context of the meeting but whatever.

A dog born in nightmarish conditions will probably be a biter for life.

Not my problem. I don't want those dogs running free in my streets. Damaged goods.

The fuck I am. The status quo is no nation no borders.

Speak for yourself and don't put words in my mouth. I'm a fucking American and we have a nation, it has borders and we have a right to enforce our borders and keep the 3rd word revolutionaries out. I don't give a fuck about your moral judgements.

If having a nation with borders is against your wishes then you're a globalist and I'll gladly divide myself from you.

we shouldn't treat people in the same boat as us like they are lesser than us. They are our allies not our enemies.

This is meaningless nothing of a pandering statement with zero substance behind it. It literally means nothing.

What people? What boat? What class division are you using to decide which people are our allies and which ones are our enemies.

Wait... Let me guess. Socioeconomic statuses. Eat the rich and let all the billions of poor people in the country to destroy it from within.

Globalist agenda 21.

This sub doesn't stand for globalism.

The fastest path to elites abusing power and exploiting the powerless is for idiots to keep fighting for a bigger and bigger government. I'm fighting for a smaller one, a government of the people. People being individuals and not collectivist morons who expect the government to take care of the from birth to death.

The problem is that we let the government claim more power than the average person. The answer is definitely not more government.

I'm fighting for people to unite worldwide to fight against the corrupt governments that keep all of us down

To unite under what banner?

Sounds like communists talk

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_communism.html

Do you even understand what you're asking for? What's the end game? Your ideological points are in almost perfect alignment with communism minus some terminology.

Okay define this mysterious oppression for me.

I asked about oppression.

I don't think you understand what oppression is.

You should consider updating your talking points so you don't sound like you're spouting off the communist manifesto.

Nah man, the United States was founded on xenophobia and closed borders. As we all know, from it's conception nobody was allowed in from outside nation's, and those that did only made the country worse.

Well said. I agree.

If having a nation with borders is against your wishes then you're a globalist and I'll gladly divide myself from you.

I love white people. There are nice people on all sides.

I think the later of the two honestly. And I say that because most of the people around me IRL are the ones I’m referring to, not just the attacks here on Reddit. I expect that here, you know with the paid trollers and whatnot. But I’m talking grown ass men & women, otherwise sound and logical, losing their collective minds. They don’t see it. They cannot grasp the concept of what they are doing is pushing people away, not drawing them in.

I blame the media, Hollywood and social media for encouraging this behavior, thus setting this mindset in stone. Reinforcing these silly attacks is causing great harm.

I personally have gone underground since the election. No more FB, no more serving on the neighborhood board, no tv at all, no nothing. I’m surrounded by people that think it’s ok to behave in the manner, and I’m in a red state. I can’t take it and I’ll be damned if I’m going to allow anyone to label me a racist, nazi, alt-right or whatever for pointing out their lunacy. Has it pushed me to defend Trump, yes it has. Has it pushed me from ever voting left again, probably.