Real shootings?

18  2018-01-14 by coach5280

1984 McDonalds Massacre. Footage of real victims injured and dead. Aftermath video. Dead bodies. It was 1984. Why can’t they just do this now? Show us Sandy Hook if it was real. I just don’t understand.

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Because it's absolutely horrifying. What's wrong with you? If your kid was brutally murdered, would you want their image spread around the world?

Yes I would. I would want to see it. And I would want to make people aware. How is it horrifying? It’s real life. This was 1984. We are much more desensitized now. I think it’s very crucial for footage.

We are much more desensitized now.

BS, no we are not, real tragedy and loss and grief is the same.

BS fakery elicits fake crying from the actors, and a total recognition from sober sane viewers.

Hollywood has to use 'empathy' psychological music to make their productions seem pretend real,

ever wonder why the fake support videos and TV productions that support the criminals of SHES and elsewhere also use the same sad music !?

The fact that there are two teachers in this thread who support the Sandy Hook conspiracy narrative is absolutely horrifying.

Because as a teacher I know how this situation would be handled. And everything that has been shown and documented is not the way things get done. Nothing adds up.

What concrete, tangible part about the shooting doesn't add up?

He first reply says it all to start.

1) The dilapidated school and inactive school website were enough to raise my suspicions. No school (even in a terrible area) would be allowed to look or operate like that.

Pics of Sandy Hook in operation:

http://archive.is/61f9M

http://archive.is/FH27V

Testing results:

http://www.localschooldirectory.com/public-school/16596/CT

Now deceased principal's Twitter account showing the school open:

https://twitter.com/DHochsprung/status/275948953642602497/photo/1

State education reports:

http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/Portals/Newtown/District/docs/Facilities/School%20Facilities%20Survey/ED050-SANDY%20HOOK.pdf

So that point is completely false. Is there any reason to go on if the first point is outright false?

2010 huh? Aren’t you the same guy that posts this on every Sandy Hook thread? This isn’t even about SH other than the fact show some fucking dead bodies like they do at real murders.

This is the first time I've ever posted regarding this.

Glad you've already dismissed any evidence and blindly believe the claims of somebody who agrees with you though.

2010 huh?

December 4th, 2012:

https://twitter.com/DHochsprung/status/275948953642602497/photo/1

Keep trying.

Your pics were from 2010. I’ve been down this road. I know what I believe. You should look up actual evidence.

Your pics were from 2010.

December 4th, 2012:

https://twitter.com/DHochsprung/status/275948953642602497/photo/1

Was included in my first post. You glazed over it because it didn't meet your already determined conclusions.

You should look up actual evidence.

I just showed you evidence and you couldn't even correctly discern what year it was from even when it was clearly labeled.

A twitter post is evidence? How do we know that picture is even of the so called “school”? Also I do things with my life. I can’t sit on my computer all day like you in your moms basement. I’m on mobile and busy. Start your own thread discrediting the conspiracy.

It was from the principal of the school.

You really need to get better at researching and investigating evidence. Hopefully it will lead you to do something better than belittle people online when you've demonstrated to be incapable of correctly analyzing information and asking for pictures of dead children.

I can make a fake account right now and do the same.

Your goalposts are moving so quickly they defy the laws of physics.

Go and look online and you would find thousands of pictures where I teach and hundreds from just this last week. How come I only see the same few repeated from SH?

Here are hundreds more for you:

https://archive.is/jGVvh

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The only response left when you get shut down with evidence at every turn.

You know how many different schools I visit each year? I can take pics at any of them claiming it to be my own. Show me some dead bodies.

You know how many different schools I visit each year?

Perfect, with your vast experience you look at the reviews of the school that I provided to you from state administrators and will be able to understand that the school was open.

They made her up, of course they created a back story.

The point was about evidence for the school being open.

They absolutely do not regularly show dead bodies of any kind of local, national, or cable news.

They did. I just watched it.

FFS they showed Vietnam as it happened.

Go figure, public taste and decency standards have changed since Vietnam.

Go figure. You’re a douchebag.

hurr durr durr

But I guess that proves my point is valid, since you couldn't counter it without an ad hominem.

Fucking Sandy Hook Official Story expert just popping up outta nowhere...

Lol. Fuck off fag.

Removed. Rule 1

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TIL being able to do the most basic research makes a person an "expert".

show some fucking dead bodies like they do at real murders.

Take a step back and look at yourself. This is disgusting. I hope you hold yourself to a higher standard when teaching.

This has nothing to do with how I teach. This is a lie. This is no where near what we are taught for these situations. Also if you have any male on staff with any balls he will try and stop the shooter.

This is no where near what we are taught for these situations. any male on staff with any balls he will try and stop the shooter.

This is the opposite of what they teach. It's "Run, Hide, Fight".

Ya. No shit that’s what they teach. I said if you had balls you won’t go down without a fight. You have no balls.

When you said teacher, are you just some PE coach or something?

You shoot back with insults straight from 8th grade. Nice job but those don't really stick anymore.

Let me guess. You got picked on in school and didn’t go to the prom and now you’re a tough guy on the keyboard.

Because I called you out for being an animal demanding they broadcast bodies of dead children on cable news?

I’m just saying show some actual proof. All the proof I’ve r ad and seen points the other direction.

The other guy that replied to you already shut you down with pictures and evidence. You claimed everything he present was faked with no justification, called someone else a fag, and tried to insult me as well. All of this without providing any of this proof you claim to have read.

If you want your theory to be taken seriously then actually present something and act like an adult.

It’s presented all over the internet. I’m not going to sit here and do research for you.

Then you’ll forgive me for not taking you seriously.

Idc what you do. The point of this post was it’s very easy to document horrific acts. Yet in recent history things always seem to be missing.

And they are documented. But the gore and tragedy doesn’t need to be displayed and glorified. Again, the other poster showed you the documentation disproving your claims. He presented his research which you refuse to do.

Wolfgang Halbig, a former educator, US Customs agent and Florida state trooper has looked into this heavily. I suggest looking him up and listening to his massive list of legitimate red flags regarding the sandy hook event. He also has been an official investigator for other school shootings (I believe he was an investigator for Columbine) and in those instances, everything added up. It’s only this school shooting which he firmly believes things were very off. His list of “red flags” regarding this event is massive and way too long to write up here. But if you google him, you can hear him speak on it.

teachers

what made me giggle is the male hero teacher from SHES, the one with the Xmas tie, wanted to keep on working with children (4th graders).

trouble is his Linkedin webpage has "Teacher Sandy Hook research" as occupation.

the dude openly works in marketing in CT.

his brief role (as a named teacher) in newspapers and TV in the SHES drama was a vanity appearance.

So, when I first heard about Sandy Hook, I was devastated. Hearing about school shootings always hits me hard as a teacher. I think I even cried. Just terrible.

A year after that, my dad showed me a video of the crying dad. I mean that did not prove Sandy Hook was fake or something to me, but it triggered something.

One day, I decided to search for every news article and video about Sandy Hook I could find. My world crumbled. While I was always somewhat of a conspiracy theorist, this got me down the rabbit hole.

1) The dilapidated school and inactive school website were enough to raise my suspicions. No school (even in a terrible area) would be allowed to look or operate like that.

2) I have, unfortnately, have had experiences with the death of students. The parents were distraught beyond measure. While I cannot say how anybody should properly mourn, those parents certainlu raised suspicions in going on live televisjon to discuss the death of their children. I do not even think I could get out of bed if my dog died.

3) There were definitely some more severe gun laws following Sandy Hook, and a few of the parents used their experience to politicize.

4) Gene Rosen. That is all.

5) The guy who dealt with the bodies (medical examiner) was extremely suspicious. They would ask him questions and his answers were inconsistent or he "did not know."

6) Any talk questioning the narrative was shut down. If you asked questions, you were labeled as crazy and unsympathetic.

Look, in the end we will never really know the truth, but that event just had so many suspicioys things that do not tie together.

Ill update my list as I think of things.

I am also a teacher. And I share your beliefs and have dealt with grieving families.

It is something I wish no one to experience.

Now that I have a bit more of a personal experience with grief, I have a different take on the parents in the videos. I can't say for sure, I am not those people, everyone surely experiences grief somewhat differently. But those people are not grieving remotely in a way I would expect, knowing what I do now. It is not even close.

And not one tear was shed. In all the videos I watched, I have yet to find a parent shed tears (they did all the motions of crying without tears).

Yep. I'll tell ya what even 2 weeks later, when we get to talking about her. I lose it, I'm inconsolable, I am overcome and unable make words anymore. Or it takes me a long time to choke out any kind of response to people. And I cry a lot. Even as a guy, and I'm 40, we don't make tears as easily. But the tears pour out.

Hope you're coping well mastigia. Sorry for your loss. This comment might not be of any help but I found this coping technique (that I've used for years) to help significantly (after) the severe mourning period (of letting the sadness out of the system through reflection, crying, stillness, etc.) But after that....

Imagine your lost loved one never actually left but is in a different country, for a reason: e.g. spontaneous roadtrip, business trip, vacation, archaelogical journey in Egypt, touring as a musician (with your blessings), lost their way and finding their way back to you eventually, etc. a positive story helps more.

Of course there's the spiritual route too, but I'm knowledgable on it.

Just thought I'd share a coping mechanism. Hope this helps man.

A friend say the very same thing about these people on television crime shows, when the suspect is going over the false story of how they lost a loved one (when they're involved) - No tears. Crying without tears is body language gone awry - the tears come first, the blubbering and stuttering, not the other way around and then some tissue dabbing nonsense.

Some of the crisis videos are contrived.

Gene Rosen? Come on... Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKPwcPk2x2M

Their grieving process was definitely far from the norm. If that was the only info to go on that was out of the norm, I would dismiss the idea of a conspiracy here, but their strange grieving with everything else makes conspiracy look very possible to me.

The one dad during the press conference only hours after his daughter’s death... it just makes no sense. If he here a sociopath/psychopath he might not actually be upset about his daughters death the way a neuro-typical person would be, but he still would want to put on a show for those around him, not just when the cameras come on. Telling jokes and laughing while walking up to the podium hours after his child was shot multiple times resulting in her death is truly a huge red flag.

[Sandy Hook Crime Scene Photos Show School Was Decrepit: Interview with Wolfgang Halbig] (Sandy Hook Crime Scene Photos Show School Was Decrepit: Interview with Wolfgang Halbig )

Total hoax. Anyone who investigates with an open mind will come to the same conclusion. You are not alone.

inactive school website

initially there was some pathetic Tripod style school website, with 80 staff members listed for the 400/600 odd students.

likely part of the script for planning the hoax and never meant to be seen live.

I had a similar experience with this conspiracy theory as well. I went into it not thinking I would end up believing it was a conspiracy, but after everything... and boy is there so much to question, so much weird shit that does not make sense... I can’t help but think that event was probably staged or at least the truth heavily altered in some way.

Even Obama did the fake tear wipe when speaking about it.

Haha I remember that!

When you say 'the crying father' do you mean Robbie Parker, who was laughing as he was walking up to the mic? That was the oddest bit of video I've found surrounding the Sandy Hook incident.

Yup!! So weird!!! He was doing some acting stuff

I think I am probably about 90 percent positive sandy hook was a hoax, mainly due to how the parents acted if anything else. The only thing I don’t get is the school not being in use. Surely if that building had not been operating at a school the local residents would know this and would speak out. That is the only part of this conspiracy that I don’t get and if someone can enlighten me feel free.

There is a theory the whole town was in on it and some sort of CIA haven

What’s more believable a mentally unstable kid killed a bunch of little kids or the government set up a fake shooting that had to have thousands of people in on it and that didn’t accomplish anything. For a conspiracy like this to work than something would have had to come from it but nothing happened. What would be he point of setting something like this up it just makes zero sense.

Well there are many theories. First, let us start with desensitization

“I could not fathom...”

One thing that always bothers me about the theory of the school not being real, whats keeping someone from that town, from just coming out and saying that school doesnt exist or hasnt been used in X amout of years?

Good question

Just see the first reply in this thread to begin with. Then we can go from there. Things before and after the shootings sure are interesting.

it wasn't real. Nor vas San Bern, Boston, or Orlando.

None of these phoney fake shows are real.

noone wants to see pictures of their dead children spread on the internet.

Except when it's a picture of some refugee kid that was killed in a bombing by some government that we want to invade, in which case that child's photo stays at the top of r/all for 3 days.

There are gore fans. Websites like BestGore.

I mean, ya kids are sadder. But, in the end, gore fans don't discriminate

Hahahahaha The poor kid with glasses getting left out of all the fun.

Vegas brings everything into serious doubt.

Almost all information is being digitized, massaged, and/or managed.

A calculable, yet not fully disclosed, amount of information from Facebook, Instagram, Google, Icloud, Reddit, (and others) is being assessed to measure public opinions, societal reactions, and for marketing global goods and services.

Accidental North Korean Air Raids in Hawaii and no clarification for over 1/2 an hour?

Who wouldn't be doubtful? What's next?

They had a school psychologist on staff. Black mold and rusty door hinges and gross landscaping .... but paid a psychologist. Yeeeeah

The only response left when you get shut down with evidence at every turn.

And they are documented. But the gore and tragedy doesn’t need to be displayed and glorified. Again, the other poster showed you the documentation disproving your claims. He presented his research which you refuse to do.