Get over it, please. Sick of hearing you libs cry.

Yeah exactly. His approval is at 38% and likely won't dip lower.

So the question now is not "why are these people supporting him?" But "where did we fuck up so bad that a third of our 360 million person population is so fucked in the head they can honestly back Trump".

How. How can they look at what he's done and support him? See him selling national parks, opening our shores to oil exploitation. Watching how he acts in the complete OPPOSTIE way of a president who wants to keep us globally safe. The man makes us a mockery. It's just a fact. He is the absolute worst of us personified.

So the people who support him are also the worst of us. How the fuck did we allow the bad parts of our culture to become so rampant and so ingrained? I find myself lately wondering how the reasonable logical people felt in Germany crica 1933. As Hitler was cementing power, did they also feel the same as us? Did the rest of the Germans try to shout them down in the same way? Was there a mass turning away from logical and critical thought?

I wish I could talk to them.

So the question now is not "why are these people supporting him?" But "where did we fuck up so bad that a third of our 360 million person population is so fucked in the head they can honestly back Trump".

Christianity. That and a compete destruction of the public education system.

The world was headed a certain way before Trump (globalism) and now, for the time being, it’s not. The economy is fine and didn’t come burning down like the left said it would. The Establishment is publicly getting some much earned shit flung at them.

Yet you people continue to just piss and moan. You repeat the same old shit over and over and you never seem to tie anything together as to how, exactly, Trumps actual presidency is deserving of this level of unbridled hysteria.

You’ll have to excuse us for rolling our eyes at you.

Maybe some people don’t want a racist idiot in the Whitehouse? Just a thought

racist is a meaningless term now. you can thank your piss diaper media for killing it

My media? This dude Trump is the old school definition of a POS racist

once again RACIST is meaningless since your piss diaper media used it all up.

Says you. We’re framing an entire conversation right now about HOW you feel and your feelings. In the real world, Trump is a racist with an incredibly low approval rating.

"per CNN polling" One more time, since you seem a lil bit slow on the uptake, RACIST is a meaningless term since YOUR piss diaper media overused it to the point of threadbare.

Once again, that is your opinion.

no son, its pure fucking fact. YOUR piss diaper media overused the term RACIST to where it has no meaning except to those attuned to piss diaper media dogwhistles. Also, Haiti is a shithole, Carnival Cruise Lines doesnt have Port Au Prince as a destination and people openly shit on the beach and streets, that, my lumpy headed friend is the very LITERAL definition of shithole.

Ah yes Carnival Cruise, I guess that settles it doesn’t it

did you skip over the part about open defacation in the streets and the beaches? that defines shithole. Haiti is a shithole. when was the last time you saw a commercial to visit sunny and pungent Haiti for vacation? you havent, because shitholes dont attract tourists.

America isn’t a country that keeps people out who comes from “shitholes”. When Ireland, Italy, Poland etc were all massive shitholes people immigrated for a better life

So you agree that Haitians coming to the USA on unpowered rafts hoping the good fortune of ocean currents washes them up on a Florida beach arent escaping a SHITHOLE, they are just coming for a better life? If Haiti isnt a SHITHOLE, why would they risk their lives to get to Florida? You argue from emotion with a distinct lack of facts to back your play.

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fuck your repost, you should use your words, since you are so feverish and adamant about your belief that Haiti isnt a SHITHOLE. You cant adequately express your concrete beliefs how or why Haiti isnt a SHITHOLE, and whats more you parrot buzzwords like "RACIST" when facts are presented. For the best interests of this nation, I hope you use birthcontrol.

Lmaooo, I hope one day when you look back on your time on Reddit you can laugh at how you got so upset over a man who cares nothing about you. You mean nothing to Trump

Lmaoo I hope one day you can laugh at how you got so upset over a man who cares nothing about you. You mean nothing to Trump. The problem with his shithole comment is that he’s using it to back his attempt to block non whites from immigrating to the US, which is racist.

Once again you use a meaningless and trite term that has ZERO fucking meaning except to those enamored by the talking heads of mainstream media. Haiti is a SHITHOLE. Haitians act like SHITHOLERS. Africa is a SHITHOLE. Get a grip, son, you are acting like a ninny.

So because the media apparently uses the term racist a lot, it’s ok to be racist? Noted.

You should also note that Haiti and Africa are SHITHOLES, and note that I dont cast two wet farts as to your notations.

Don’t rent to black people. Central Park Five are guilty. Obama was born in Kenya. Mexicans are rapists and criminals. Judge Curiel can’t be fair because he’s Mexican. All Haitians have AIDS. Nigerians live in huts. Nazis are very fine people

Dont rent to black people: good advice. Central Park5 have all been arrested for other various violent crimes since then. Obama WAS born in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia, his dad want that purple football headed negro, it was Frank Marshall Davis the pornographer and communist. Judge Curiel cant be fair, hasnt been fair and is a Mexican All Haitians have AIDS...enough of em do that I wont fuck one. Nigerians do live in huts or worse...dont forget Nigerians shit in the street too. Nazis are very fine people, far preferable to your ilk. anymore? can you provide proof Haiti isnt a shithole?

Dont rent to black people: good advice.

That is called Racism.

Central Park5 have all been arrested for other various violent crimes since then.

Nope... they have not.

Obama WAS born in Kenya, or maybe Indonesia

Nope - Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children, Honolulu, Hawaii was where he was born.

Judge Curiel cant be fair, hasnt been fair

Hasn't been fair to whom?

All Haitians have AIDS...enough of em do that I wont fuck one

The actual figure is around 2.2% of the population are HIV Positive.

Nigerians do live in huts or worse...dont forget Nigerians shit in the street too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38688796

Haiti has a GDP of 8.023 billion USD, not bad for country with only 10 million people.

I mean, you are just a backwards minded keyboard warrior that thinks he is the all-knowing genius of the world when in fact you're thick as fuck, racist and have probably never stepped foot outside your town / state / country in your entire life. You are the worst kind of cunt.

1) have you ever rented to a negro? I have and I wont do it again, at least not with property I paid for.

2) Bullshit, both Yusuf Salaam and Khery Wise were back in custody within 18 months.

3) lol did you get that from Katie Couric?

4) Judge Couriel is a member of several of what could be termed "activist" groups. Conflict of interest?

5) "Whats the worst part of getting AIDS? Coming out to your parents as Haitian" stereotypes exist for a reason, buddy.

6) https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-42688419 let me quote for you: On Saturday, dem announce di total ban of cart pushers and wheelbarrow operators dem say dem dey work against di cleanliness of di city.

as to your last bit: REEEEEEEE. same thing, simpler expression. think green, conserve pixels.

Wait, I thought you guys said you were not racist?

i dont care about racism, its a false construct invented by Leon Trotsky aka Lev Braunstein in 1919 to rile up soft skulled peasants.

woah... erm alright man, let's just leave it there then.

can you refute it? if not, maybe you should just leave it right there, this is where the adults talk.

lol, r/conspiracy, the adult talk hot-spot full of 20-something males with no education or travel experience discussing how NASA is hiding God from the flat disc world. Yeah, I'll pass on refuting racism being a false construct invented by a Russian in 1919 thanks.

The fuck lmaooo

You're discriminating based on race, that's racist by definition and makes you a shitty person no matter what communists you try to blame it on

People in Haiti Shit on the Street and the Beach. Thats a shithole.

Do you really not understand that people aren't upset because he called those places shitholes but because he doesn't want people from those so-called shithole countries? Like it makes them any less human or any less deserving of an American Dream then our ancestors were when they dragged themselves over from whatever European shithole a century-plus ago. Like you get that right?

Same polls that had Hillary Clinton winning the Presidency with a 98% chance?

No rational person cares about them any more.

Well if you say so, that makes it true right? How come Trump supporters are so focused on their feelings altering their perception of reality?

Trump is only the President because how how corrupt the DNC is, Hillary was never going to win.

I support my country and no particular party, both side how policies that I disagree with.

Trump is the only President in my 41 years on this earth who has literally put money into my pocket and my business and has taken a stand against the corrupt MSM, for that alone he will have my support going forward.

Btw, Obama had my support in 2008 before it came perfectly clear he was a puppet

I support my country and no particular party

Fuck off with that shit, we all know what party you support.

Trump is the only President in my 41 years on this earth who has literally put money into my pocket

Pause. What kind of 41 year old makes a Reddit account called "fuck the Clintons"? A pathetic fucking loser, that's who.

Also, how's Russia? Heard it's cold this time of the year.

Triggered by a user name, that is damn funny.

How does Hillary's asshole taste today?

Identity politics in a nutshell:

"I'm demographic A, so my thoughts, assumptions, and feelings are a truth that needs to be heard, but you demographic B people shouldn't be allowed to express your thoughts, assumptions, and feelings because they contradict my truth."

If you don't like absurd arguments, stop supporting the people who continue to make them mainstream. Identity politics are fascist tactics masquerading as progress.

Most Trump supporters’ base their opinions on their feelings and not on logic, and yet they unironically complain about liberals being hysterical. It’s fascinating from a psychological perspective.

You understand approval polls and likely voter polls are fundamentally different right?

Trump is the old school definition of a POS racist

This is why the far left have no credibility any more, this is just screeching

It's their own anti-white bias coming out. Remember, all white people are "racists." As a white person it is Donald Trump’s job to beg and grovel daily for minority approval lest his silence itself be construed as ascent to violence.

The dude you replied to literally wants all Muslims removed/banned from the US. Fuck outta here with that bigotry. You wanna be a bigot? Bear the title.

Your alls persecution complex is insane

Can you provide examples? You make a value claim without evidence. I'm legitimately curious here.

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How is he racist? I've never understood this view, nor the "Trump is homophobic" belief. I totally get the "Trump is sexist" (check), "Trump is anti-foreigner" (debatable, as opposing the previous regimes H1B visa policies is arguably the far left wing approach since the tech industry uses them as a form of corporate welfare, and this costs each unemployed professionally trained US citizen roughly two grand per week in average expected lost wages), and "Trump hates the poor" (Possible, but he hates them as little or as much as at least every President since Reagan) viewpoints by the way.

Historically, there's much more of an argument to made for our past few presidents being racist than our current one.

If Trump is racist, then I'd argue the US has never had a President that wasn't racist.

Ah yes, there it is. You just use these meaningless words to sling at him. You’ve turned the word racist into nothing. Well done.

The thing is there’s not a single person who could do what needed to be done about immigration and not have you people screeching racist like a coked-out parrot.

You’re all like children in the back of the car crying about being hungry. Just sit there and keep your mouth shut. The grownups won’t let you starve.

What needs to be done about America? Because the only thing mr trump has done is attempt to keep non white people out.

Because the only thing mr trump has done is attempt to keep non white people out

Why lie, you just diminish your own argument.

Trump, rightly, wants to end undocumented immigrants and illegals should be deported, this is rational sense

And no amount of laws, morals or public outcry is going to stop him!

You’re all like children in the back of the car crying about being hungry. Just sit there and keep your mouth shut. The grownups won’t let you starve.

Dumbest thing Ive read all week. granted its only Wednesday and Trump still has a few more days to get on twitter...

That’s nice, dear.

Trump gives new life to the term racist because he actually is one. His racism has been brought up for decades, one of the issues that brought him to my attention back in the early 80s.

Whatever you say. I’m sure there’s nothing that will convince you otherwise so why try?

Kind of hard to change an opinion that has been forming for 35+ years with a talking point from a sycophant, yes.

Your not fooling anybody. More importantly, your most definitely not changing anybody's mind.

Dont be a P U S S Y

The world was headed a certain way before Trump (globalism) and now, for the time being, it’s not.

The world is still heading that way, it is mostly the US that now tries to isolate itself politically. Personally I suspect it will do some damage to the american economy long-term, since it is losing global political influence daily. If some of the protectionist policies Trump talked about are actually enacted (they won't), the economy might hurt a lot more.

...and in saying this you realize it’s no less speculative than what I said, right?

R/conspiracy engineers a conspiracy against the left. Lol

Reddits so fucking liberal its like a cancer. Dont worry about the downvotes.

ahaha yes it dusnt matter that trumps a conman cos i love winning XD

Get over it, please. Sick of hearing you libs cry.

Translation: "Fuck man, these people are right about President Trump! I must deflect the truth!"

The majority of people will keep supporting 'their candidate' bar something extraordinary happening during their term.

Look at the support Obama had, while simultaneously drone bombing his way around the middle east.

Even bush had support. And while it may have dwindled towards the end, he still had an approval of over 20%.. despite having lied his way through 2 invasions.

This is definitely a truth (though not necessarily true for all.) I was so against Trump prior to the election that I may have even had the fabled Trump derangement syndrome but so far I generally support what he has done and I believe he really wants to improve America which is not something I've been able to say about a president in my lifetime.

gee i wonder why you got down voted?

comment contradicts the narrative of OP?

Lol its no biggie to me.

my stock portfolio says OP is a diaper-shitting soy boy

Of course it has been, where else to you go from near bottom? What a silly argument. Look at the record highs since Trump took office, look at the record gains over time compared to BO.

lol

+1 sourced numbers and graphs are DEEP STATE propaganda and they hurt my feelings

Oh you mean facts?

Facts are a (((Globalist))) plot.

REEEEE

Awww, how cute. You're graph conveniently cuts out the best part. See your graph proves what I said, its easy to rebound from near bottom, not much you have to do but pump billions into a fake economy through stimulus packages, pump millions into banks and auto, etc. It had nowhere else to go.

Now lets look at the time it took Obama to gain 1,000 pts on the market vs how long it took Trump. Lets also look at the fact that it wasn't manipulated market via temporary stimulus BS. Its actual economic growth through reduction in regulation/taxes that improve consumer confidence. Since the market is an anticipation of positive gains in any given sector, this is an important distinction. http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years

How many records did Obama set in the Market?

Great economy prompted by removing Obama regulations, yes thats exactly what it is. Trump has removed a countless number of business killing regulations which actually allow companies to now be competitive. A competitive market is key to a booming economy.

And in regard to the taxes, I see you're drinking the leftsist Kool-aid. How do you think you stimulate an economy? By reducing big corporate tax it allows them flexibility to pay a higher wage and invest more within our borders. Overtaxing them forces them to find ways to make a profit usually by offshoring (which has been the norm has it not?). Now companies are moving back, increasing wages, investing within our borders and actually kick starting the economy properly.

You throw shade at him for drinking cool-aid yet here you are , believing big corporations will pass on their tax cuts to their employee's.

See; Cognitive Dissonance

It’s unreal the cognitive dissonance !The average American doesn’t give a Frenchman’s fuck about the stock market.

CD is like a wounded wolf that becomes aggressive and lashes out at anything that comes close to harming their beliefs, I only notice these guys when “Trump” is in the title and it’s something negative.

Here is a list of companies that have given bonus' / wage hikes and cited the tax cuts as the reason for doing so.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/list-companies-giving-bonuses-wage-hikes-due-trump-tax-cuts

But facts....yeah ignore them.

Companies are certainly not coming back no matter what Trump says, and it’s funny that you think these companies are altruistic and are going to pass savings on to their workers.

I find it funny how this guy thinks these companies have already setup shop in the United States following the tax plan and are already pumping the economy up. Comical. Shit doesn't happen overnight

Just one example, let me know if I should find more for you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/technology/apple-jobs.html

You have no idea how companies work. You increase jobs to increase supply. You increase supply because of increased demand. You don’t just add jobs because you can.

You also don’t just start paying people more because you can. Publicly traded companies have a fiscal responsibility to the stock holders, not the employees. You are ignorant and blind.

companies are moving back

Yeah, remember how Carrier agreed to totally not ship their jobs to Mexico?

Hahahahahahahahahahahah seriously you may be the most delusional libtard I’ve heard yet. Get used to it bitch cause we just getting started, 7 more years and you will be either deported or back in the closet (whichever fruitcake abnormal lifestyle you live)

It's interesting to see someone lose an argument so bad they finally snap and lose their mind. SAD!

Now you want to move onto unemployment numbers so you can say Obama did better and then I can educate you on how he manipulated unemployment numbers by creating more PT jobs while putting FT employees out of work? See when ACA was launched employers used the hours requirement loophole and used 2 people to do 1 job. Thus avoiding OT pay, ACA requirements, etc.

I don't like trump and did like Obama. This literally happened though. Do you people know how many bottom level employees are now temps? On 11 months 1 month off means they don't have to treat you like a full time employee.

Lost that argument so you quickly changed the subject to something else, I lol'd reading this comment thread

Furthermore, this hardly matters to working-class Americans anyway. Mr. "blue collar billionaire" was supposed to help members of the lower and middle class find acceptable employment. Instead, more and more Americans are struggling to afford housing, let alone healthcare.

I'm sure the coal workers that Trump promised to help really care about the state of the stock market.

Trump is a fake populist. He cares nothing for the common man-- his entire presidency is designed to enrich himself, his failsons, his criminal son-in-law, and his fraud of a daughter. He seeks to exponentially expand income inequality on the backs of the poor.

Sure, Trump is a national embarrassment with the vocabulary of 4th grader; but I'm far more concerned with the damage his administration will continue to do to our nation. His policies are a grotesque, bloated caricature of the worst ideas ever muttered by former GOP leaders.

Just gonna say, that graph is on a logarithmic scale.

Im curious.

How long could you live off of the dividends from your stocks if you had no other sources of income?

look at the record gains over time compared to BO.

This is a fucking lie. Stop lying, liar.

You got downvoted to hell for no good reason...

try reading every comment on this thread /facepalm

There were some deleted ones, couldn't tell.

The S&P triple from under $700 to $2100 under Obama. DJIA also tripled. Under Trump the S&P only increased roughly 27% and the Djia about the same. It's nowhere near the same pace and at this rate likely will not even double.

Lol Obama was pumping millions in. Is that still happening under Trump?

More like trillions were printed off of thin air. BO and Trump are on team elite. Btw none of us are on it.

Sad we continually lose as a society.

Yet you fail to realize it was all done with the American people's dollars. We bailed out wall St.

Haha. Nailed it.

Removed, violation of rule 10.

OMG! dae le drumpfh?

I wonder why this is in r/conspiracy instead of r/asktrumpsupporters or something similar :thinking:

Here's what I think, politics is all smoke and mirrors, Trump was meant to win in the first place (it was obvious Bernie would've been a better choice in the general than Hillary, there's no way anyone didn't see that). It doesn't matter if you like him or not. They want you to have strong feelings in one way or another. If you hate him, you're going to clash violently with those who don't. That benefits everyone in TPTB. His approval rate is in the 30's, you don't have to be a genius to realize that he's losing support quickly, and yet here you are, shit stirring as if he has a 50% approval rate or as if this was a community of solely Trump supporters.

Politics is a game. Votes in the general don't matter.

Most real answer here

I'm in shock that saying politics is bullshit smoke and mirrors is getting me downvoted in r/conspiracy

Because this post is not at all what it seems

Check the history. It's a purchased account. Posts to r/Ireland starting a year ago, going back three years. No activity for around 300 days, two comments 35 days ago, then this post and subsequent comments. Totally inorganic

let give OP a chance to explain himself

/u/no_woman_no_fry

Where do you live?

I'm all ears. I'd hope by now people could spot these posts in their sleep, but a lot of people got swept up it the argument. It's a shame

Never once said you were a shill

I outright stated it was inorganic by calling it inorganic. Your interpretation takes it a step further by assuming I implied there was a degree of verisimilitude that I never addressed.

Holy shit get further up your own ass.

God bless

May you be touched by his noodly appendage.

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Yivo

Hope you understand my head is pretty secure, and not at all up my ass. There's a lot of nonsense going on here today and I don't feel at all guilty for looking past the superficial and trying to understand others' motivations.

Just trying to figure it all out, same as anyone.

now it looks like we are going to have to make COINTELPRO a topic on here again. we do this every time some inorganic uses move in

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Who cares? They have a cartoon-vision of the world and aren't even American. The fact that they're this "passionate" about internal American politics is definitely suspect though.

its like a cop

you give him a badge and a gun, and all of the sudden he's just so concerned about speeding motorists

activity in r/ireland 10 months ago, then silence until reactivated or hacked/stolen one month ago by somebody.

or this person got a real paid job shilling.

Smoke and Mirrors. CNN gets called out during their fake news coverage of the Ferguson Riots PsyOps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7dcSiDT5I

I don't see why anyone would trust the approval percentage poll after the way the polls were completely wrong before the elections. I haven't been called for a poll and asked my opinion on if I approve of what Trump has been doing, have you? I don't think so.

Like you said, politics is all smoke and mirrors and the polls are obviously apart of that. It would be naive or intellectually dishonest not include that in the realm of politics.

after the way the polls were completely wrong before the elections.

You have no idea how polls work, do you? If the weatherman says there's a 95% chance of rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, would you call him a liar? Same situation. Educate yourself.

You don't poll rain, stupid.

Interpreting weather is a qualitative science, polling a population is a quantitative science. The issue with polling this last election was that people weren't willing to admit support for Trump openly because of ravenous pro-Hillary try-hards.

There was no issue with polling. Hillary won the popular vote exactly as the national polls predicted.

Trump won by very slim margins in some very important swing states and it made the difference. Largely due to the last second FBI emails announcement that the polls could not account for.

It's a myth that Trump supporters were somehow afraid of telling someone on the phone that they support Trump. Trump supporters are loud in their ignorance.

It's a myth that Trump supporters were somehow afraid of telling someone on the phone that they support Trump. Trump supporters are loud in their ignorance.

Get off of Reddit, my dude. It's a great big world out there.

I'm an Engineer at a plant. You are crazy if you think Trump supporters are quiet and reserved about their support.

Some of the workers would literally bring MAGA flags to work. And this is in the Blue State of Illinois. I can only imagine how it is in states where Trump supporters are the majority.

Funnily enough, they don't talk much about Trump anymore lol.

They probably don't talk about him much anymore because the election ended a year ago.

But you keep pretending like you have a pulse on the rust belt. It's cute.

lol. They don't talk about him, and are outright embarrassed by him. No more MAGA hats seen at work. They gave me shit after the election. I love giving them shit now.

It's cute you think you know more than national polls though. Whatever Fox News tells you right? Republicans. Where feelz are more important than reelz.

I wouldn't be surprised if you thought he was more popular than when he first got elected.

Whatever Fox News tells you, right?

I love this. It's convenient and intellectually lazy, dehumanizes the party you're arguing with, and while yes, Fox News is trash, what makes you think I watch Fox News? Because I think you're full of shit?

I wouldn't be surprised if you thought he was more popular than when he first got elected.

I actually do think he is, but you've made it pretty clear that you don't wish to argue and you'd rather just fling insults and poop.

Let me get this straight, you think he is more popular? Despite mountains of evidence to the contrary? This is how I know you watch Fox News. Because you are living in fairy world.

Do you have anything to back up your claim? I already know you don't. And I'm the one who is full of shit? LOL.

Still throwing poop.

K.

Not answering the question and avoiding backing up your claims

Daddy Trump's biggest fan.

lol

This is why people think Trump supporters are morons. Less than a 3rd grade understanding of probability.

There is only a 25% chance that you will flip a coin and get heads 2 times in a row. That is a fact.

Yet apparently if you flipped a coin twice and you did get it twice in a row, that means the above statement is a lie according to Trump supporters.

Not to mention the polls weren't wrong. the predictors based on the polls were simply inaccurate.

This the only post in the whole thread that isn't garbage. Take your upvote sir.

I think the part most people are disagreeing with is your assertion that Trump was meant to win in the first place.

I completely understand where you are coming from and why you are suggesting that, and it is a viable theory for sure, but there are countless reasons to believe that Clinton was meant to win in the first place and something very unusual happened instead. The point is neither of us really know for sure.

Also, if votes and opinions didn't matter at all, then the media wouldn't go to so much effort and expense to manipulate and propagandize voters. The democratic systems are still technically functional, although they have taken an enormous amount of abuse over the years. If the government tried to directly overrule the outcome of an election after the fact through some kind of executive or emergency power, then there would be bloodshed. The manipulation happens all the way up to election day, and they've probably managed to get away with straight fraud through vote weighting code and ballot tampering, but once the tallies comes in there is not much that even the Deep State or NWO or whatever could do about the results.

I've yet to hear a single Trump-voter say they regret their vote, that to me is more real than any polls released.

My anecdotes win over stats EVERY TIME

But why was Trump supposed to win? Big money was behind both candidates, but more was behind Hillary.

And I can't buy that Trump was supposed to win just because he's polarizing. Hillary is also very polarizing, although I don't think the divide would be this ridiculous if she won. Most traditional media sources wouldn't be actively opposing her, and that's a big reason we get so much melodrama with Trump.

I say Trump was supposed to win because the general election just doesn't matter. I don't believe that public opinion has an influence on who wins the presidency, because the election is smoke and mirrors, and they've decided who wins before it even happens.

What president do you know of that commands as much media attention and public hate as he does, just by virtue of being Trump? CNN has opted to cover things such as Trumps soda drinking habits and the Shithole incident than major international news because the American public is so fixated on hating him, even if those feelings are justified.

They've taken the American attention and diverted it to shit that does not matter. The fact that Trump winning was made to look like an upset just fueled the intense divide we see today.

Has CNN opted to cover Trump so much because he's hated, or is Trump so hated because CNN opted to trash him constantly.

The answer is BOTH.

Very true. It's working exactly as intended, it's a self feeding machine of bullshit that keeps the public uninformed and angry, the easiest type of people to influence.

So the media is cutting its own throat.... for what reason?

If you read the DNC emails, they WANTED to run against Trump, assuming he was the weakest candidate on the roster. Oops. So much for it being decided in advance.

Trump only took individual contributions for the election. Everything else he paid out of his own pocket. He doesn't owe anybody anything.

90% of the coverage of Trump is negative.. this isn't "reporting". Its propaganda.

What makes you think the media is cutting it's own throat? I don't know what bubble you're living in but I work in an industry where CNN is on TV around customers 24/7 as a policy and I assure you people are eating up the shit like spaghetti. The people you may associate with may not watch it, your entire personal circle may not watch it, but it's still watched by almost a million viewers a day. 2017 was CNNs most watched year ever. Whatever they're doing, it's making them more watched than they've ever been.

The root of my argument this entire time is that everything we see is a result of control that we can't. The DNC probably did want to run against Trump. Someone at some point made that decision. The fact that they did doesn't eliminate the possibility that they weren't going to win anyway by design. Hasn't the argument always been that Hillary's support was manufactured? That the news supported her because she was "supposed" to win but no one actually liked her as a candidate enough to drag themselves out to wait in line to vote for her? That people only voted for her out of fear of a Trump presidency? She was probably one of the weakest candidates I've ever seen along with Palin, and everyone knew it. I mean shit, Bernie Sanders, the socialist, beat Hillary the centrist in Oklahomas primary. If losing the primary in a state as red as Oklahoma to a socialist isn't a strong sign of weakness, I'm not sure what is.

I'm not even sure why you're bringing up his campaign spendings. I'm not arguing that Trump is being directly manipulated or that he owes anyone anything, I'm saying that Trump winning was absolutely not a loss for TPTB, and logically, they would have wanted him to win because it threw this entire country into a cesspit where everyone is either a Nazi or a Cuck. Along with this, they benefit from all the shit on TV because it makes everyone in the country hate each other and only show interest in learning more reasons to hate each other.

It's obviously propaganda, and it's working perfectly. I'm not sure if I came off as any other way. It's bullshit made to fuel the divide even further.

You got downvoted for making up bullshit statistics.

What statistics lol

His approval rate is like 38%, and regardless, as long as it's sub 50 my point stands

Hello fellow real user of the sub

That little cross says all you need to know, you said enough truth to agitate the hive.

There were no alternatives since HC rigged the election. How soon you forget.

Gary Johnson or Whats-her-face perhaps?

Sure, if you say so.

He was the only option, Hillary Clinton could not at any expense have won the Presidency.

Everyone involved in shitting on her and her campaign making her lose, are true America patriots

You are correct.

so being a patriot requires being anti-democracy?

What?

Not

Trump is Christ.

This is not the first time I’ve heard this.

Trump is life, Trump is love

AMEN! Trump is the Wheat, Trump is the Cattle, Trump is the River, Trump is the Flood.

TRUMPCULT

Before or after you flog yourself?

seek professional help

Why is this sub more politics than conspiracy? As my 5 year old says "SO ANNOYING!"

Maybe because we’re living through the biggest political scandal is U.S history?

JFK assassination says hi

That slightly surpasses "scandal"

He did say "living through"..

JFK's assassination was a bit before the majority of redditor's time.

But it was her turn!

RRRRREEEEEEE

Only one's who bring up Clinton are you fools. The election was over a year ago. Get over it.

I talk about getting money out of politics a lot, and considering the absolutely astounding amount of corporate cash Clinton took in 2016 for the election, and the number of Clinton voters on this sub, her corporate cash comes up a lot.

Should I stop talking about getting money out of politics? Or are certain politicians just off limits when I talk about it?

Please.. look at my post history, you won't see my try to apologize anything Clinton/Democrats have done. In fact, I've advocated several times that Citizens United needs to be taken down. For me getting money out of politics is priority number one, and Trump's administration has shown no signs that he's capable of doing this, in fact he's only making it worse.

But this point, anyone who still attacks Clinton is essentially beating a dead horse. Hypothetically, let's say Clinton does get thrown in jail. Does that solve anything?? We still have a corrupt AF administration running things that continues to lower the bar on a daily basis when it comes to ethics, policy, and dignity.

anyone who still attacks Clinton is essentially beating a dead horse.

To me, it isn't so much about people attacking her. It's about the iron guard that shows up to defend her and whatabout their way around any scrutiny of democrats every single time it's brought up. And then, these establishment supporters have a sense of self righteousness because Trump supporters are establishment supporters. It's absurd.

Also, how many people voted for her? More than people that voted for Trump. If polls are to be believed, when you fasctor in those who didn't vote... way, way more people wanted her to be president, and still do.

You don't think that's a problem? That somewhere in the ballpark of half the country thinks Clinton is a great, clean politician who isn't a corporate golden child, and would put her in office today, if they could.

We still have a corrupt AF administration running things

And we still will, until the issue of hyperpartisan bootlicker-ship is addressed. Because most of the people who oppose Trump would see nothing wrong replacing him with Clinton.

That's what annoys me the most about the "she isn't president" deflection. You voted for her (not you, I know)! You wanted her to be president! If you have that kuch faith in a politician, shouldn't you be able to handle scrutiny without resorting to a "let's just not discuss It" deflection?

So, anything that involves attacking one of the two major parties and forcing their blind, hyperpartisan proponents to acknowledge or address the flaws in their rigid Hyperpartisanship, is not beating a dead horse, in my book. Anything that sheds more light on the corruption of our current "two party" system and the need for 3rd parties is a discussion worth having.

I almost agree with everything you said above, yeah the two party system is fucked. 90% of the time is produces a candidate neither side is "Excited" for.

"Also, how many people voted for her? More than people that voted for Trump. If polls are to be believed, when you fasctor in those who didn't vote... way, way more people wanted her to be president, and still do.

"You don't think that's a problem? That somewhere in the ballpark of half the country thinks Clinton is a great, clean politician who isn't a corporate golden child, and would put her in office today, if they could."

Yeah no.. pretty sure a lot of people voted for Clinton because she was simply the better choice than Trump, and if you're going to sit here and still think Trump would make a better president than Clinton, given the past year. Then you are beyond help and there is no point continuing this discussion. We can simply agree to disagree.

she was simply the better choice than Trump

Snaders was the better choice than either of them. Stein was the better choice than either of them.

This was big party politics and hyperpartisans, plain and simple.

still think Trump would make a better president than Clinton, given the past year

In what ways would the corporate golden child have been better than the corporate orange man, specifically?

Also, if people still voted for her, regardless of their reasoning... why should they get a free pass from scrutiny of the person they wanted as president any more than people who elected trump?

In what ways would the corporate golden child have been better than the corporate orange man, specifically?

Oh I don't know, Education, speaking skills, experience, etc... for starters.

Someone who has no business interest while in the oval office, someone who doesn't tweet on a daily basis about petty ass bullshit. Someone who doesn't call negative news about ones self "Fake news." Someone who isn't openly racist whether it's in public or private. Someone who hasn't turned our entire nation into a laughing stock. Someone who hasn't admitted to sexually assaulting people. Someone who hasn't paid and or have had an affair with a porn star.

I mean honestly, I could go on and on with reasons on why I'd prefer Hillary in office over Trump, and this is coming from someone who didn't even vote for Clinton.

Someone who has no business interest while in the oval office

Yet Clinton took vastly, vastly more money from corporate interests than any other politician in 2016, including Trump.

tweet on a daily basis about petty ass bullshit. Someone who doesn't call negative news about ones self "Fake news."

https://www.wired.com/2015/08/hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-epic-photoshop-fight-twitter/

http://theweek.com/speedreads/724658/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-are-fighting-twitter-again

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-tweets-donald-trump-covfefe-article-1.3211559

http://mashable.com/2017/07/06/gop-trump-hillary-clinton-twitter-feud/

http://mashable.com/2017/07/06/gop-trump-hillary-clinton-twitter-feud/

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59432f2ee4b01eab7a2cada8

Lol

Someone who isn't openly racist whether it's in public or private.

Like what?

Someone who hasn't turned our entire nation into a laughing stock.

She left office with a 36% approval rating, equal to Trumps. You're not making a very good case that she wouldn't have sucked ass and turned us into a laughing stock.

Someone who hasn't admitted to sexually assaulting people

She remains married to a guy whos been accused of sexual assault and rape. Laughing stock.

Someone who hasn't paid and or have had an affair with a porn star.

Right, it's just the person she's married to that has all the affairs and diddles kids with Trump on Epsteins island. Laughing stock.

I mean honestly, I could go on and on with reasons on why I'd prefer Hillary in office

Please do.

Who'd you vote for?

Lmao.. thought you were a reasonable person to discuss things with but this last reply made me cringe..

1. There is a difference between campaign donations, AND STILL RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS WHILE IN OFFICE. (cue Clinton foundation REEEE)

2. You fucking serious? Are you that delusional that simple common sense can't tell you Trump is a racist twat?

3. Why are you comparing approval ratings with a private citizen vs a public official? Again to my original point of beating a dead horse.

4. Once again the Clinton's are private citizens, and the same can be made for Melania? Why is she still with a person who has been accused of rape and sexual assault?

5. I wrote in Sander's name. :) (But wish I voted for Clinton)

Anyways, I've wasted enough time arguing with you today, don't even bother replying because I'm not even going to read it. Lates

thought you were a reasonable person to discuss things with but this last reply made me cringe..

I actually thought you genuinely cared about campaign finance until your defense of Clinton. Lol, thanks for showing your true colors, though.

There is a difference between campaign donations

So you have no problem with corporate donations in the hundreds of millions. Very interesting, as a "Sanders supporter" for you to think that.

You skipped the part where Clinton is a petty ass twitter-tard just like Trump.

You fucking serious? Are you that delusional that simple common sense can't tell you Trump is a racist twat?

Simple common sense? I've never seen anything that suggests he or Clinton is a racist. Although Clinton thought Sanders was a racist during the primaries... So I guess that makes you a racist for supporting him, right?

Why are you comparing approval ratings with a private citizen vs a public official? Again to my original point of beating a dead horse.

I compared their respective approval rating for their respective political offices. Nice try, though.

Once again the Clinton's are private citizens, and the same can be made for Melania? Why is she still with a person who has been accused of rape and sexual assault?

She was a senator... you seem to be really trying hard to distract from that. Also, I don't know why Melania stays. Probably the same reason Hillary does- that it's all show, it's all politics. You seem to think this whataboutism will work on me... but it won't. Because I didn't vote for Trump and have never supported him, unlike your unwavering support of corporate golden child Clinton.

I wrote in Sander's name. :) (But wish I voted for Clinton)

This really says it all. I'll let this quote speak for itself. I'll also save it for the next time someone laughs at me when I say this sub is filled with Clinton supporters. Thanks.

don't even bother replying because I'm not even going to read it.

Oh, I don't care. I'm going to respond for other people to read it and see how disingenuous and full of shit you are. It's just another perfect example of the democrat hyperpartisans that have invaded this sub, so your current responses are already enough for me.

Clinton voters on /r/Conspiracy?

...lol.

Regardless of your delusion, her wrongdoing excuses Trump in no way, shape, or form.

You're right dude... it's totally Bernie supporters that downvote me to hell when I criticise Clinton or any Democrat for that matter.

Totally berniebros, bro

excuses Trump in no way, shape, or form.

Never said it did, but I acknowledge your need for everything to be partisan.

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Haha, hey buddy... look at all the Bernie bros and Trump supporters who downvoted the shit out of this comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7r0owj/when_are_trump_supporters_going_to_realize_that/dsttxw5/

And upvoted this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7r0owj/when_are_trump_supporters_going_to_realize_that/dstu3v8/

Wow... so many Trump supporters and Bernie bros!

You were saying something about delusion before you went silent?

Muh Russia!!!

The fact that a sitting President of the United States, Barack Obama, had his Administration conduct espionage on a political rival during a Presidential election, effectively turning the surveillance state into a weaponized domestic surveillance apparatus for the DNC/Clinton? Yeah that's a pretty big one.

Honestly your user name is perfect.

Username checks out.

Ok guy, Do you believe in chemtrails and pizzagate as well? Maybe even the earth is flat?

Obama spying on Donald Trump is a conspiracy

Oh ok then.

US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html

Nunes: Uh, we don’t know that yet, that’s why we need to get the information. I will say this, the NSA has been very, very helpful. They know how important these programs are, they are in constant communication with our team, and as you know they partially complied with our request last week, and I expect them to hopefully get more information by Friday. And I have spoke to Admiral Rogers about these concerns, and he wants to comply as quickly as he can.

Reporter: And was the president also part of that incidental collection?

Nunes: Yes … yes.

http://www.ajc.com/news/national/read-transcripts-rep-devin-nunes-news-conferences-about-trump-surveillance/NdZ4qQv7uBnjcH9E3HSRPJ/

Susan E. Rice reportedly sought to unmask the identities of Americans connected with President Trump's campaign and transition who were mentioned in foreign surveillance intelligence reports. And with that news, which was first reported Sunday by conservative social-media agitator Mike Cernovich and confirmed Monday by Bloomberg's Eli Lake, Washington spawned a huge game of Choose Your Own Adventure.

All this is highly unusual — and troubling. Unmasking does occur, but it is typically done by intelligence or law-enforcement officials engaged in anti-terror or espionage investigations. Ms. Rice would have had no obvious need to unmask Trump campaign officials other than political curiosity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/04/susan-rice-isnt-a-smoking-gun-but-she-does-have-some-explaining-to-do/?utm_term=.a593b5596318

Hmmm... It's almost like the FBI had a mole in Trump's campaign off information that has been corroborated.

Now I wonder why, maybe it was because a Trump campaign official actually admitted it to a foreign diplomat?

Or.. maybe it was because a reliable source gathered intelligence on the situation, produced the dossier and briefed the FBI.

Ultimately, all I see if you being upset that our government investigated an individual that has been lobbying on behalf of foreign governments. Did Obama make Trump hire Manafort..? Pretty sure he didn't.

If you're so upset about the government spying on private citizens, where is your outage with the senate voting to expand NSA surveillance?

Hmmm... It's almost like the FBI had a mole in Trump's campaign off information that has been corroborated.

First of all, you're moving the goalposts. Your first post was basically accusing me of being crazy for even suggesting the Obama Administration was actively spying on their political rival during a Presidential election. Now, you've changed your argument to "they did spy on their rivals but it was justified."

Second, the source making this claim is Fusion GPS, who was being paid by the Clinton campaign to produce opposition research on Trump.

So let's summarize: the Obama Department of Justice used intel from a "reliable source" that was in reality being paid to produce opposition research by the Clinton campaign, in addition to a drunken conversation by a Trump staffer recounted to them secondhand to justify NOT ONLY spying on people at the very top of Trump's Presidential campaign, but also unmasking others who were not under investigation for any crime, including Donald Trump himself and this is somehow NOT a massive political scandal?

Hmmm... It's almost like the FBI had a mole in Trump's campaign off information that has been corroborated.

That claim was walked back by the very same source.

Now I wonder why, maybe it was because a Trump campaign official actually admitted it to a foreign diplomat?

A campaign aide got drunk and talked shit about rumors that Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton, rumors which were spreading wildly on the internet at the time. He repeatedly suggested that the Trump campaign meet with proxies of Russian officials to get this information and they repeatedly told him no until they eventually fired him.

Or.. maybe it was because a reliable source gathered intelligence on the situation, produced the dossier and briefed the FBI.

The Hillary Clinton campaign paid a former British spy who collected unverified rumors from a literal Russian spy (okay, former KGB) and leaked the information to media and a highly politicized FBI, and then they had the nerve to accuse Trump of colluding with Russia.

Did Obama make Trump hire Manafort..?

The crimes committed by Manafort happened several years earlier while working with the Podesta Group. Regarding the campaign, Trump and Manafort did not know each other well beforehand and it was Manafort who approached Trump based on his record of past successes, not the other way around. Manafort was fired from the campaign two days after Trump received his first security briefing and realized his mistake.

The Hillary Clinton campaign paid a former British spy who collected unverified rumors from a literal Russian spy (okay, former KGB) and leaked the information to media and a highly politicized FBI, and then they had the nerve to accuse Trump of colluding with Russia.

Uhhh.. no the dossier was originally funded by a conservative website.

"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016." And yes, I realize it was funded by democrats AFTER Rubio informed them to stop.

Crimes committed by Manafort happened several years before working for the Trump campaign??

"MANAFORT and GATES generated tens ofmillions of dollars in income as a result of their Ukraine work. In order to hide Ukraine payments from United States authorities, from approximately 2006 through at least 2016, and GATES laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts.

You really hate conspiracy theorists don't you?

I wouldn't say hate. There is a difference between a conspiracy theorist and someone who straight up denies facts/reality.

Most of us just pity them. Honestly, it's REALLY hard not to have a slight bit of disdain for those who deny truthful facts and objective reality.

Are you on the spectrum?

Asking a person you don't know if they're on the autism spectrum is something only a very socially deficient person would do, so...

Are YOU on the spectrum?

Nah, I just have a habit of looking at peoples' top comments to get a feel for whether they can engage in good faith or not. You have comments where you say you're autistic, and have a learning disability or something.. but you also have comments where you say you aren't autistic.

I don't really feel like wasting my time talking to someone with some kind of cognitive disability that prevents him from understanding concepts like economics and politics, which is how you've described yourself.

Also, this is the first time you've ever even posted in this sub in the 2 years you've been on Reddit.

So, I don't really feel like wasting my time arguing with a mentally disabled person who's here to troll.

That's fine, but I believe the social hierarchy goes normal people >>> the disabled >>> people who unironically post on subreddits where a prevailing opinion, among many other absurd ones, is that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.

So yeah, I think I've got you beat. Also, imagine pretending to want to engage in any good faith discussion with someone and giving yourself away by the first thing you say to them. Surely, this subreddit has it all figured out!

Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.

That's not a prevailing opinion here. I would go on, but I feel bad arguing with you, since you are learning disabled, politically, economically and socially illiterate, and almost certainly can't be taught anything.

So, if you really feel the need to have a conversation with me, I'd politely request you just skip to the part where you sperg out and suggest a little-too-detailed method of suicide you'd like me to undertake. Thanks.

There's nothing I need to learn from people who believe absurd things contrary to overwhelming evidence, but thanks for feeling bad anyways!

You do know that most of reddit see's your safe space as a joke right? Just about every rational person on the planet finds you people hilarious. We don't really care for you, but we're glad you exist.

Again, please just skip to the part where you speech out and tell me to kill myself because it makes you feel a little better about being abused as a child and being permanently fucked up from it. Thanks.

Again, you called someone autistic and then tried to say you wanted an argument in good faith... and, again, you post on /r/conspiracy all the time. This thread says a lot more about who you are than it does about who I am.

Again, please

Sorry I don't do favors for conspiracy freaks

You aren't here in good faith, so there's no reason for me to exercise good faith.

Your comment history says more about you than any thread ever could. I hope you resolve the many, many issues you have in your life, or at least, find some peace from them eventually.

Thanks for the advice! Hopefully you one day find out the truth about 9/11. Best of luck!

What advice?

For the record, you are publicly comparing pizzagate to Flat Earth? You think there is about as much reason to believe in pizzagate as there is to believe the Earth is flat?

I just want to make sure I got that right before before I completely disregard absolutely everything you say or have ever said.

Oh no, what will I ever do without your online validation?! :'(

Looks like a Trump quote

You could say the same thing with Obama. If that's any indicator, I'd say never. It will only grow stronger.

That or their hatred of the left, feminism and social justice warriors is so consuming that they are willing to ignore the fact that he is a conman and support him out of spite.

The way your hatred of the right, white people and men in general was so consuming that you were willing to ignore the fact that Obama was a conman and your support for him was motivated out of spite?

Projection Level: Off the charts.

This.

People who think the rust belt was going to vote for "equal pay!" initiatives and an expansion of the ACA are soooo out of touch it hurts.

Middle Americans are hurting and the Dems laughed at them. Well, not Bernie, but we all saw what happened there.

Whatabout......

Am I the only one that has noticed threads such as this are filled with support for the prez when his name is the title but the opposite happens when the title is ambiguous?

easier for the bots to find the thread when one of their keywords is in it.

wait what? bots?? in my r/conspiracy?

It's more likely than you think.

@ /u/no_woman_no_fry

Just to mention the fact that Donald Dump is living like a 18. century aristocrat in the gold plated interior of his Dump Tower, proclaiming he is a "man of the people", while in the meantime homeless Americans are dying in the streets, should be enough to wake anybody up, but sadly it isn't.

Trump was elected by whatever is left of the middle class (about 10%) and upper class (about 10%) only anyway, since the rest is either not interested, is in prison (can't vote) or has a felony/criminal record (can't vote, unless you BUY the right again for 10,000$).

Do you blame Obama or Hillary for your loss (and anger)? Just curious

Obama was an awful president who destroyed the Democratic Party, and both he and Hillary are pretty damn right wing.

How did Obama destroy the Democratic Party?

He presided over them losing over a thousand seats. His appointees gutted the DNC, he used OFA to starve state parties of resources and infrastructure, and policy-wise his wholesale adoption of W’s foreign and economic policies (after running on hope and change) not only cemented the cynicism of a generation, but handed economic populism and anti-deep state sentiment to the Republicans on a gilded platter.

That's not Obama's fault. It's the American public retarded belief in Republicans that caused that. They were obstructing him for 8 years and he couldn't get anything done.

On top of that, voters reward the republicans for stagnating American development for 16 years (including Bush) AGAIN and now we're stuck with Trump who is dumber than your average drunk dude in a pub.

As long as Americans vote republican, they're just a bunch of idiots and the world should ignore them.

It’s Obama’s fault in that he was in charge, both organizationally and politically, of the campaign’s against the Republicans and utterly screwed the pooch. If he hadn’t demobilized OFA and done all he could to piss off his base in 2009, or put in place a DNC team that ignored state-leg races, the Great Gerrymander of 2010 never would have happened in the first place.

There have always been homeless Americans dying in the streets....

Careful, they don't like those 2 sided arguments.

There have always been homeless Americans dying in the streets...

There's a difference between it happening and trying to correct the situation and it happening and telling them to go fuck themselves for having the audacity of not wanting to die.

I agree but it's not that simple...a lot of them don't want the help, are addicts, or mentally ill. I live in CA and trust me there are plenty of programs and help. This has nothing to do with Trump.

If you believe that, then you have no clue what is really going on. Sorry.

What can be done immediately about homeless dying in the streets?

how many people do you employ?

Democrats claim to be "for the people" while supporting illegals and "Dreamers".. all your Democrat politicians aren't stopping the homeless problem, they're sitting there blaming Russia and decrying everything President Trump's says as racism.

Illegals and dreamers are people too

They arent U.S. citizens so why should they have rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution? Become legal then demand shit.

You do realize that people brought into the country as children don't have any path to citizenship or legal permanent residency, right? That's what DACA addresses. You do understand that, right?

Also, what did you do as a child to earn citizenship that they did not?

Also, what did you do as a child to earn citizenship that they did not?

He shat in a red, white, and blue diaper, obviously.

All people once inside our borders have rights. I know you guys want to bring back a slave class but that's not going to happen.

How were America's European settlers legal in any way?

Donald Dump his Dump Tower

Tell me /u/Hillary_D_R_Clinton how have you liked Reddit in the 2 months you have been here attacking the president of the US with intelligent, well worded facts like I have quoted you stating?

I noticed you signed up 2 , months ago and went straight to /r/conspiracy to insult the President and defend Hillary Clinton.

Kinda like the top post right now.

Nah, half of the voters voted for him. He obviously has a lot of support. And if he keeps the economy going up to record levels, secures the boarder, increases investment in the country by companies bringing money back home, keeps unemployment at super low levels, continues to bring the middle class back, continues to have the lowest ever rate for unemployed blacks, etc... it is going to get worse for you.

You all really don't grasp just how hated he is.

(I'm not even going to get into your BS claims)

His support is growing and growing. His policies are turning the country around. And he is deporting violent gang members that Obama welcomed here (MS13), arresting pedophiles at an unheard of rate. Things are just looking brighter and brighter. Gonna be a great 7 more years, then hopefully it becomes a dynasty.

ps - Watch the FISA info ;-)

Why would it get worse for me? I'm white and middle class. His tax plan benefits me.

Worse in the sense that his economic policies alone will make him more popular and all but guarantee relection. It seems like this sub used to like him as he was against the system. Around 3 or so months ago the sub took an abrubt turn. It is a bit like the politics forum when it comes to Trump here. Just not representative of the population.

This sub like the rest of the population is divided on trump.

I still don't see how things will be worse for me.

Well, I thought you were against Trump. If I am wrong, sorry. If I am right, your life will be improving due to the man you hate. (That is the worse comment.)

We should test this.

I'm loving the Trump Economy... What the heck is wrong with you?

You mean Obama’s. Either way the poor and middle class are getting fucked. Trump just made it worse by signing it that awful tax bill

Everyone claims it's worse how about prove it?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/11/22/16691016/economists-gop-tax-plan-igm-poll

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2017/12/02/economists-say-the-trump-tax-plan-will-have-disastrous-consequences/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/22/37-of-38-economists-said-the-gop-tax-plans-would-grow-the-debt-the-38th-misread-the-question/

Most economists think it’s pretty shitty. And the ones that think it helps agree it should have been much better.

First liberal news post. Odd cause I see economical growth all over.

Soo many shills...

You mean Obama’s.

Laughable. At the end of Obama's 2nd term, the average American had less than $1000 to their name. Source.

At the end of Obama's term, the average American was one $500 surprise bill away from bankruptcy. Source.

During Obama's term, we saw food stamps usage climb to record highs. We saw the Labor Force Participation Rate fall to record lows. We saw healthcare costs climb to record highs year after year after year. This isn't even getting into the absolutely abysmal disparity between the wealthy and the poor, which grew to record highs under Obama.

The median wage under Obama was lower than the day he took office for the entirety of his presidency. How's that for the middle class getting fucked?

All this happened against a backdrop of doubling the national debt - again, to record levels under Obama. The debt to GDP ratio has never been higher than the day Obama left office. He was a profligate spender and despite all of that the middle class you pretend to care about didn't see their wages raise a single dime under his Presidency.

You can hate on Trump all you want, but for fuck's sake stop embarrassing yourself with this political garbage. Barack Obama oversaw what was unambiguously one of the worst economic "recoveries" in US history despite profligate government spending and record low Fed rates designed to spur business growth. Very few US Presidents have presided over worse middle class woes than Obama.

Barack Obama is literally the only President in US history to never have a single year of 3% economic growth or higher. It was eight years of unmitigated disaster for the American middle class.

Only an entitled, privileged, and utterly sheltered fool would argue that Obama was in any way shape or form good for the American economy.

Buddy I lived through that fucking shit, every day for eight fucking years.

Never said I was a fan and trump didn’t change anything obama implemented until the tax bill which hasn’t been around long enough to really do much. Trump continued what obama was doing like many presidents do in their first term. I pointed out a fact. Shit sucks and republicans just tipped the scale even more towards the rich it’s gonna get even worse

Shit sucks and republicans just tipped the scale even more towards the rich it’s gonna get even worse

You are more than welcome to parrot partisan talking points ad nauseam but by every objective measure the middle class is doing better this year than they were doing last year.

Lmao if you think trump and republicans are going to help the middle class? The economy depends on so many factors and like I said trump did nothing it was Obama’s policies in place last year

it was Obama’s policies in place last year

Which ones?

The ones from his presidency, what did trump change?

trump has done a million things i disagree with, but claiming this is an obama economy is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

Then you should be able to tell me what he has done

Then you should be able to tell me what he has done

i didn't call your comment stupid because i believe trump can take credit. it's stupid because you think obama can take credit.

the president doesn't have complete control over the economy. most of the time, he acts as a cheerleader. however, there are a number a things trump and obama have done to affect the economy.

although trump's "cheerleading" regarding jobs has actually brought jobs into the country. i don't believe he can be personally credited. you could argue his sabre rattling, especially with mexico and nafta, has caused a number of corporations to invest billions in american factories, creating jobs. the stock market is performing well, and although i would attribute it to trump, i wouldn't say it was because of his actions. wall street exploded on a bull run the second he got elected. obama has nothing to do with it. the bull run was likely caused by wall streets anticipation of deregulation.

there are a few things i definitely give trump credit for. his criticism and implosion of the TPP. I don't think this has affected the economy yet, however those world trade deals only benefit international billionaires, and slowly kill the middle class over decades of time. another thing would be the recent tax cuts. there is a provision in the law designed to take dollars kept out of country and tax them, in theory it should bring US dollars back to the US from around the world. i know reddit likes to circle jerk over the "corporate cuts" being evil, but theyre not. most corporations, especially the ones i work with, are small closely held family businesses making $50-100k annually. these cuts are huge for the middle class.

the obama economy under performed in terms of jobs and GDP growth, but i couldn't necessarily blame him. he came into office right around the time of the housing market bubble bursting. that can understandably fuck up the economy for years. i can give obama credit for some things though. the "stimulus package" that came out around the time of the 2008 recession dumped a lot of money into the economy, essentially putting a floor on the amount of damage the housing market would cause.

i believe the economy will eventually collapse. like ron paul recently said: it's an illusion. the tax cuts will keep the party going for a little while longer, but everything must come to an end.

I don’t think obama did a good job tho

what would a good job even look like to you?

The wealth distribution got worse and the rich benefited over whelmingly while the rest of us go into debt over school and healthcare

Trump's job growth to date is behind 7 out 8 of Obama's years.

another ignorant comment.

the president has a cheer-leading role in the economy. the president can negotiate trade deals, form tax policy and cheer-lead. even trumps bullish stock market is due to perception, not because anything he did. obama's low GDP growth was due to the housing recession in 2008, not because bad fiscal policy (i "liberaled" up my point for you otherwise you'd plug your ears).

it's retarded to give full credit of the economy to the president. it's even more retarded to give it to the last president, especially obama.

It takes years for a president' s actiojs to have a noticeable difference on the economy, if even then. The current economic situation is most likely a combination or a natural rebound from 2008 and some Obama ers policies. Calling this Trumps economy is laughable bro

don't put words in my mouth

copy pasted from somewhere else in this thread:

the president doesn't have complete control over the economy. most of the time, he acts as a cheerleader. however, there are a number a things trump and obama have done to affect the economy.

although trump's "cheerleading" regarding jobs has actually brought jobs into the country. i don't believe he can be personally credited. you could argue his sabre rattling, especially with mexico and nafta, has caused a number of corporations to invest billions in american factories, creating jobs. the stock market is performing well, and although i would attribute it to trump, i wouldn't say it was because of his actions. wall street exploded on a bull run the second he got elected. obama has nothing to do with it. the bull run was likely caused by wall streets anticipation of deregulation.

there are a few things i definitely give trump credit for. his criticism and implosion of the TPP. I don't think this has affected the economy yet, however those world trade deals only benefit international billionaires, and slowly kill the middle class over decades of time. another thing would be the recent tax cuts. there is a provision in the law designed to take dollars kept out of country and tax them, in theory it should bring US dollars back to the US from around the world. i know reddit likes to circle jerk over the "corporate cuts" being evil, but theyre not. most corporations, especially the ones i work with, are small closely held family businesses making $50-100k annually. these cuts are huge for the middle class.

the obama economy under performed in terms of jobs and GDP growth, but i couldn't necessarily blame him. he came into office right around the time of the housing market bubble bursting. that can understandably fuck up the economy for years. i can give obama credit for some things though. the "stimulus package" that came out around the time of the 2008 recession dumped a lot of money into the economy, essentially putting a floor on the amount of damage the housing market would cause.

i believe the economy will eventually collapse. like ron paul recently said: it's an illusion. the tax cuts will keep the party going for a little while longer, but everything must come to an end.

In my opinion, when you're at war you'll take in the enemy who wants to fight for good. If he can't grow good fruit he will be cut down by his own words.

When HRC quits advocating LGBQT rights or gives all the donor money back she received from countries that sentence gay people to life in prison or death.

You can still get fired for being gay in the US. Such freedom.

The fanatics will be there but I mean at least in my experience I haven’t seen any new Trump supporters popping up you know? So at least his fan base isn’t growing

That’s true, and he’s lost a lot of supporters. I’m sure there’s a lot of people are disappointed that the things he promised aren’t going to happen. Maybe some have even realized that their biggest fear shouldn’t be Muslims.

How do you know he's lost a lot of supporters? Where are the stats on this info? In my experience more and more people are jumping on the Trump Train. Trump is doing an excellent job in his first year so I have no idea what you're talking about when you reference "people [being] disappointed that the things he promised aren't going to happen." He's in his first year. Things are happening. And Muslim violence is a problem, but it isn't the only problem. Your post is very low energy. Do a better job.

Look at the downvotes...all the supporting narrative. This is a coordinated post, and an obvious one at that

I just like to poke these silly monkeys a little now and again.

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

Because a lot of people fell for his bullshit realized they were had.

Hurr durr

What bullshit exactly? The pedophile arrests are up. A lot of politicians have announced they will not seek reelection. Others have resigned. The stock market is up. People are finding jobs, especially black people. There are more manufacturing jobs.

So... Do you only listen to the MSM? I can tell which people do. They know the propaganda, but they do not know what is really going on.

As if pedophile arrests have anything whatsoever to do with Trump. They are the direct result of women and men (mostly liberal) speaking put against their accusers. How about the pedophile Roy Moore who Trump was backing?

What they realize is they just got a raise and their retirement is skyrocketing . You're going to have a long 7 years .

same people who told you HRC had a 90%+ chance of winning the night before the election?

Trump voters told me Hillary had a 90% chance to win?

lets be honest

the media had you convinced that HRC would be POTUS up until election day night

Nope, not at all.

so you believed HRC would be POTUS, but not because you were fooled by the media?

No, I was pretty sure she was going to win. It’s unfortunate that a lot of people believed she would win and didn’t bother to vote.

yeah thats what happens when you start to believe your own lies.

of course i have no expectations that you will have learned anything from the experience

Some of you people are so funny acting like you know me. I got accused here a couple times a day based on nothing but their feelings.

lets be honest

You're asking too much :/

They were duped, and they still listen to the MSM. When will they learn?

You do realize that you can have a 90% chance of winning and still lose, right?

If they would have said that Trump had a 90% chance of winning, you would have thought they were crazy.

If there is a 90% chance of rain, will you bring your raincoat?

Penn and Teller explain why polls are bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

let me put it another way

were you as surprised as i was, when Trump won?

i fully expected HRC to be POTUS and then i'd have to make myself

"Not My President" picket sign

and don the mask

His support base has actually grown. LOL.

His support base has actually grown. LOL.

You got reliable statistical proof?

Lol!

Except for the pedos. The pedos hate him now.

How do you tell the difference between a Trump supporter and someone who is anti-NWO?

Is this a joke? Where's the punch line?

Serious question. The Bushes, Clintons, McCain, John Kerry, Soros, Obama, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. are all New World Order globalists. Trump is more of a Nationalist, which directly conflicts with the NWO globalist agenda.

So, how do you tell the difference between a Trump supporter and someone who is anti-NWO?

If you have not thought about this, then you really do not know what is going on.

Love this!

No response from troublemaker74...

People just have no idea what his happening and why.

You didn't even say anything but spew your feelings.

In reality, Trump has more ties to the Rothschildclan then the Clintons do, https://philosophyofmetrics.com/how-rothschild-inc-saved-donald-trump-freepom/

And in reality Trump has stacked his cabinet with globalist bankers, and in reality Trump has furthered globalist-agendas, such as repealing the CFPB rule allowing for class actions against banks,leaving American consumers to twist in the wind against the bankers in forced arbitration in which the bankers hold all the cards. But you don't care about that because you only regurgitate propaganda, and nobody told you to care about it.

You gave him nothing to answer, you just listed some names, and then puked out your emotions, you did not qualify your opinion, you did not even try. You're a joke who utters hollow proclamations.

no response from that fucking shill /u/pby1000, stop fucking eating Trumo's fucking shit and calling it gold you brainwashed fuck.

Been working... LOL.

Are people like me for Trump, or are we against the NWO?

You're for Trump, brainwashed to believe that whatever he does is correct even when it's clear he's a corrupt conman banking off American cynicism to push his pro-corporate conservative shit on an already underfunded and corrupt system.

I am aware of Trumps connections to the Rothschild banker, Wilbur Ross. Trump is also connected to the Jesuits, which is pretty alarming.

The question is how much control did Trump have in selecting his Administration? Obama did not have much control, so why would Trump? Obama was given a list from Citibank of bankers to appoint.

Of course Trumps cabinet is stacked with NWO globalists. They unexpectedly lost control of the White House. What else do you think they would do? Allow Trump to appoint a bunch of Nationalists? LOL.

How much power do you think a President really has?

Your other comments are not worth responding to.

Benjamin Netanyahu.

Trump is more of a Nationalist

Which is why he's so supportive of Isreal - a real Nationalist!

Honestly, you think there isn't a conspiracy? The Bilderberg Group, look it up.

Honestly, you think there isn't a conspiracy? The Bilderberg Group, look it up.

Honestly, you think there isn't a conspiracy? The Bilderberg Group, look it up.

You can't be both. Trump is doing everything that an elite secretive order would want. War mongering, huge tax cuts for elites, better suppression of the poor, misinformation campaigning every day, weakening of public power structures like EU, Union busting, more surveillance structures .

So at least his fan base isn’t growing

Sounds like quite the scientific poll . . . did you by chance run the polling for the DNC leading up to the election ? lol

There's zero evidence to suggest that trump is converting supporters.

And there's zero evidence to the contrary.

Except dwindling poll numbers from every public polling agency and an increase in Republican lawmakers speaking out against him

In addition to what /u/CountFarussi stated, the loss of state legislative seats to Dems in counties trump had beat hillary suggests falling support.

"in my experience"

let me tell you my thoughts about your experience...

in my experience, it is better to remain silent and allow the other person to talk, so that you can learn what kind of person they are, without revealing what kind of person you are

if you are the first to speak, you will probably signal to the listener(s) that you are a left-leaning person

and the right-leaning listener will sit there silently, politely listening to your virtue signaling

and so therefore you, the speaker assume the listener is like-minded, and also left-leaning, because the listener doesn't challenge anything you say, and only gives vague feedback that signals they are listening like OKs, yups, un-huhs and amens at the appropriate times

so what happens is that you surround yourself with a bubble of people who you assume are like minded lefties, but in fact they are a mixed bag

and when these people go into a voting booth, they might not vote the way you expect.

by behaving the way i do, by letting the other person talk first, i pretty much allow everyone to assume that i am just like them, and consequently they open up and tell me all kinds of stuff that they would be reluctant to tell other people

this may seem like creepy behavior, but i sincerely do want to hear peoples opinions and thoughts or troubles etc and i sincerely try to empathize with their situation, to walk in their shoes, in my mind. i value peoples opinions, and am sincerely curious about how those opinions are formed

i can say that what sounds "crazy" coming out of someones mouth, often has a logical explanation, if you allow them to explain themselves.

i can say that i have never met a "crazy" person.

i have only met good people who are living in a crazy world.

dont judge a book by the cover. a lot of people don't "look" like a stereotypical conservative... like that guy in the mosh pit

Trump didn't win because Russians hacked the electoral college

Trump won because HRC was a terrible candidate who alienated the lefty base with her shenanigans against Sanders

that and PizzaGate threatened to bring the whole thing down, and so the deep state threw HRC under the bus.

http://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1425368

Thanks for the wall of text bud

are you one of those guys who thinks non-fiction books are a form of gish gallop?

look some neckbeard read the art of war

oh look some HRC voter read the art of war

and still lost

fuck hrc

rule 34

I think this is such a complex issue that we are honestly just never going to fully know what is actually happening. Ever. While I am not inclined to trust anyone who is willing to run for president and submit themselves to dealing with the deep state; I am fully convinced that things are miles better than if Clinton was sitting in the Oval Office, and that everyone I don’t like, just happens to not like Trump.

I think this is such a complex issue that we are honestly just never going to fully know what is actually happening. Ever. While I am not inclined to trust anyone who is willing to run for president and submit themselves to dealing with the deep state; I am fully convinced that things are miles better than if Clinton was sitting in the Oval Office, and that everyone I don’t like, just happens to not like Trump.

A bold move Cotton...

So brave. Brace for downvotes, OP... /s

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That's some serious TDS. You're totally deranged.

Sounds like you don't understand globalism and it's goals compared to Trumps actions as president.

Whether or not they ever realize it, they will never acknowledge it. And you know why? Fuck you for asking leftie! How dare you accuse us of being stupid, greedy racists who have been taken for a ride by a conman! Any insult to The President is an assault on us! He’s Our Guy!

Hillary is guilty. Lock her up!

Hillary is guilty. Lock her up!

Dislike Trump, but Clintons do need to be investigated & charged if found guilty. I would say the same about the Bushes/Cheney as well.

same lol. it probably seems like i am in fact a diehard leftist. really though, i just think the right's rhetoric is so much more obnoxious to the point where i feel the need to say something

The Attorney General of the United States has already said there's not enough evidence on them to start an investigation. You clearly have better information/sources than he does, so why should they be investigated?

would you mind sharing with the class the evidence that was used to start an investigation into Trump/ Russian collusion / hacking/ tampering with elections?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

One of Trump's advisors bragged to foreign diplomats that Trump's campaign and Russia were working together, they told the FBI. This is how it all started.

I think you just murdered someone with a simple fact

your metaphor skills could use some work

https://i.redd.it/vesejpww28jz.jpg

The Bible is a NWO hoax you moron.

i founded /r/TheBible please subscribe you moron

so basically you have no evidence?

i didn't see anything presented that would have convinced me, as a juror.

would you mind describing the evidence you assume you see in the article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

In late April, at a London hotel, Mr. Mifsud told Mr. Papadopoulos that he had just learned from high-level Russian officials in Moscow that the Russians had “dirt” on Mrs. Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents.

Although Russian hackers had been mining data from the Democratic National Committee’s computers for months, that information was not yet public. Even the committee itself did not know.

...

Not long after, however, he opened up to Mr. Downer, the Australian diplomat, about his contacts with the Russians. It is unclear whether Mr. Downer was fishing for that information that night in May 2016. The meeting at the bar came about because of a series of connections, beginning with an Israeli Embassy official who introduced Mr. Papadopoulos to another Australian diplomat in London.

...

Besides the information from the Australians, the investigation was also propelled by intelligence from other friendly governments, including the British and Dutch.

...

Adam Goldman, Eileen Sullivan and Matthew Rosenberg contributed reporting.

and after reading the article I'm left wondering what exactly the evidence is, and what laws were allegedly broken.

i also like the part where some government officials decline to comment on an ongoing investigation, but other government officials freely comment on that same investigation.

the distinction seems to be whether commenting on a case would be helpful or harmful to the official narrative

I'm curious, why do you suppose that cooperating with Russians is not allowed, but cooperating with Israel is almost required?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/24/obama-binyamin-netanyahu-congress-speech-boehner-leaks

Jesus Christ you are everywhere in this thread. Give it up, you are clearly unprepared and working off biases alone.

i dont think its unreasonable to ask for evidence of election hacking, considering the fact that future elections might be vulnerable to the same hacking

its pretty obvious the whole Russia-gate nonsense was made up by butthurt HRC voters who couldn't blame themselves for their own failures.

That’s not what you’re doing though - at all. You’ve just been making half asses non sequitors and deflections. Nobody claims that Russia literally changed the votes. You seem obviously butt hurt about this post.

You’s a bot. Check out this profile, copied and pasted a reply from u/sr71Girthbird

But the Attorney General of the United States has already said there's not enough evidence on them to start an investigation. You clearly have better information/sources than he does, so why should they be investigated?

Go watch Clinton cash.

"Research for the book was conducted by the Government Accountability Institute,[1] a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization founded by Peter Schweizer and Steve Bannon and funded by billionaires Robert Mercer and the Koch Brothers, among others. It has been adapted into both a film and a graphic novel."

Lol no thanks bud.

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com

Or stay ignorant i guess

you can attack the messenger, but the message is getting out.

i voted for Obama twice, and then i watched Clinton Cash

what they did in Haiti is pretty bad

Pretty sure "Haitian Special" pizza at Comet Ping Pong is code for something

Holy shit you guys are still on the pizzagate train.

you didn't think it would go away just because you decided you didn't want to hear about it, did you?

http://voat.co/v/pizzagate

Ya you can keep that nazi site, that links staying blue. You people are nutter butters.

so you don't think human trafficking is a real problem?

why is it that you seem to relish the idea of pedophiles getting away with raping children?

produced by Steve Bannon, who is clearly impartial and not attempting to smear a political opponent and capitalize on the ignorance of people and their hate for the Clinton in order to profit and propel himself in to a powerful position like, i dunno, the fucking white house security council.....

Go look at Bannons film production credits, a bunch of right wing shit, movies and shit about Reagan

Steve Bannon's movie? Lol

And Session's anti-drug stance makes him... Pro-Clinton?

No the guy is full of shit. Thats all im saying.

The content of the film stands whether you like the producers or not.

but Clintons do need to be investigated & charged if found guilty.

This sentence should tell you all you need to know about the thought process of the account you're replying to.

"Charged if found guilty?" Not dealing with a full deck here.

Could it be that the Attorney General is corrupt? LOL. Let's not be too naive here.

Right, because there's a well known love that Jeff Sessions holds towards Hillary Clinton.

I was thinking Loretta Lynch.

I think that Jeff Sessions is a NWO globalist, so I believe he will protect other NWO globalists. To me, it is not a Democrat versus Republican conflict. It is the NWO globalists versus the Nationalists.

Ah yes, Jeff Sessions, the committed anti-nationalist.

You might literally be retarded, or confused him for another Jeff. Take your meds.

Nice non-response.

Jeff...Sessions...globalist!? Whhhaaaat?

NWO globalist. Sessions seems hellbent on doing away with marijuana legalization and he is also for confiscating our property. I am not totally sold on Sessions...

...They were investigated, and they found nothing. What more do you want?

Trump or Clinton?

Well Trump is still being investigated, and multiple people have been arrested from that investigation. Clinton, on the other hand, has been investigated multiple times, no arrests

And you trust the investigators?

Hey man, just throwing out facts to the question presented

And he just asked a fair question. I too would like to know if you trust the investigators.

I think it goes case by case. I think the Mueller investigation is pretty solid, I mean hell they got 2 separate charged crimes already. The Ken starr investigation seemed like it got stonewalled at every turn, but also I paid no attention to politics at the time so that's thru a historical lense. But the benghazi investigation seemed like nothing but political theater. And I know there were some others for Clinton, but idk enough to comment

Really appreciate the honest answer. That was the clarification i was looking for. Unfortunately the downvoting of constructive discourse continues.

I know you would trust them unquestioningly if they said Clinton was guilty.

I don't really think you know me well enough to make that assumption. Do you want to perhaps rephrase that as a question and then we can actually discuss it, or do you just want to assume you know me or my thoughts on the matter?

I’d rather not tbh, you probably suck.

I’d rather not tbh

Kinda what's I expected unfortunately...

well the clintons are notorious criminals

ever heard of mena arkansas cocaine smuggling?

https://www.ixquick.com/do/search?query=mena%20arkansas%20cocaine

convictions are a technicality and formality

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/5f3f4d27727a4f4e90b220b52d837d29/a-man-gesturing-and-holding-a-traffic-sign-stop-c8g715.jpg

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/5f3f4d27727a4f4e90b220b52d837d29/a-man-gesturing-and-holding-a-traffic-sign-stop-c8g715.jpg

sounds like a witch hunt to me

i thought HRC was still under investigation

I think a new one for uranium one. So let's see if there are any indictments. I mean, the benghazi investigation lasted like 2 years? (Please correct me if I'm wrong) with no indictments at all, so how is an investigation with multiple charged crimes a witch hunt?

perhaps "fishing expedition" would be a better description?

Mueller is the fuck-up who couldn't even solve the anthrax attacks.

not sure why they would put a loser with a track record of failure on the Trump investigation, unless....

Investigated by Comey? Hahahaaha!

I guess investigation by somebody who isn't a total partisan flack is asking too much.

Yes. Mueller. That partisan hack. That guy who'll shill for his party no matter what.

Robert Mueller, the shilliest, most partisan hack maybe ever. Always party before country.

Noted Republican, Robert Mueller.

Didn't you get the memo, if anyone takes any action that goes against the GOD EMPEROR (praise be upon him) then they're a democrat socialist communist SJW NWO lizzard.

Interesting matching replies.

Yeah I just saw that. Uncomfortable to say the least. Screenshotting it.

They've been exhaustively investigated. They're either untouchable or innocent

Or legally sound, morally in a grey area, and without sufficient evidence for anything. Although at this point you're probably right that they've been so thoroughly investigated nothing illegal could have slipped through.

Edit: Wow 33 downvotes in /r/conspiracy for the above comment. Heavy trolling today. lol

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It links directly to here....clear violation of reddit best practices.

And that sub reddit will make you wait 10 minutes between posts if you subscribe to /r/The_Donald.

Stuff like this has ruined Reddit for me. I used to like this place, now it just aggravates me.

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The last 3 Presidents have stated they supported the same.

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The Clinton Foundation took a lot of money from the Haitian people, and they were involved in human trafficking.

And yet the most powerful man in the world has not "locked her up" yet. That says a lot.

The POTUS is not the most powerful man in the world. LOL. Come on. Why do you believe such propaganda?

Do you not know who rules the world?

He said on national TV he would pursue legal action. If that isn't a blatant fucking lie I don't know what is.

Girls! Who run this motha?

Do you KNOW who rules the world?

Do you not know who rules the world?

The juice?

You getting downvoted. This thread and the replies to your comment without knowing there's a lot more powerful people controlling bills which go to president in every country shows how this sub is really going to shit.

Putin?

Pffffttt....you believe in the world?

Omg I'm dyin'!

Yup it’s really messed up..

Very. People are all in a tizzy because Trump allegedly said Haiti was a shithole country. LOL.

This isn't even a conspiracy post and the fact people are getting so fervently downvoted is hilarious. This is straight up an r/politics post. Please stay off this subreddit.

So the guy thinks it's a conspiracy, but because it isn't pro-Trump it doesn't belong on r/conspiracy?

Now that sounds like a conspiracy.

Where's the conspiracy? That this guy doesn't like Trump. Give me a break lmao.

The top comment here has almost 300 upvotes, more than the actual post.

It's like watching mannequins pretend they're people.

Probably the exact same moment that all the Hillary supporters realize she is an utterly corrupt, amoral, war-criminal that should be sitting in a cell. In other words - never. Anyone stupid enough to have supported either Hillary or Trump lacks, by definition, the ability to think critically. Unfortunately that is the vast majority of the country. An intelligent, moral person would never even consider voting for or supporting either Trump or Hillary - yet ~98% of voters did. This tells you all you need to know about the state of our society and how far we have to go if we are to survive - let alone thrive - as a nation and as a species. Trump is not the cause of our problems - he is a symptom of the disease - just like Hillary Clinton. In a decent society, the Trump's and Hillary's of the world are laughed at, mocked, and held in disrepute. Their transparent scams work on nobody and they are both reduced to selling pencils in a subway station since they have absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer. In the world we live in, they are at the top of the pyramid. Rather than crying about Trump or Hillary, take a look around you. Take a look at the person standing next to you. Take a look in the mirror. That's the problem.

When are the shill posts on Reddit going to stop?

When t_d bots stop asking when they'll stop.

When Obama, Bill Clinton, Bush and every other supporter of a president ever realize it. He is the same puppet as everyone before him, simply doing what he is told and putting on a nice show for everyone to consume lives with divide and hate. It's all bullshit and half the "users" you see on Reddit or Twitter for any presidential candidate are fake as shit.

I think incoming Presidents do not know what they got themselves into until they walk into the White House. I recall Trump said he had no idea how deep the swamp was, and I believe him.

The conflict Trump had with the CIA before the inauguration was very telling to me. It was like Trump thought he was going to waltz into the White House and implement his policies, but instead he was told what policies were going to be implemented. Why would the Cabal allow a 4 or 8 year President to determine policies that may have affects 20 years down the road? The Cabal put an end to this with JFK.

about the same time supporters of [politician] realize they were conned too

what if these illusionists held a fake election,

but the plebs saw thru it,

so nobody voted

it would definitely be a positive development

I am no Trumpette but you do realize he has de regulated Obama crap, Congress and Senate won't work w him or the Obamacare would be stopped completely. The left spews hatred at every level, when did you hear of any President that has been met w so much hate? You haven't i detested Clintons and Obama, Bushes, etc but i never called for their demise. When they fail we fail why can't people realize that. Everything he undoes the lat Admin did are things we never heard about till he fixed them, He tries w the wall and is met w rocks. But, he is still part of the Swamp, Govt is smoke and mirrors. I would urge everyone to listen to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo86TGDxg Deborah Tavares

Did you just sign a comment on reddit?

i am new i don't know what you mean, thx

Why can't I support him for my 401k that has jumped 30%? Or my paycheck that is about to increase? Or low unemployment? Low food stamp use? Or lots of other successes?

Because he has done literally nothing that would effect any of those things. Disagree? Go ahead and post about what action he has taken that may have had even a cursory effect on them...

This boost started before he even took office. As often reported it was due to consumer and business confidence in reduction in stifling regulations as well as the promise of corporate tax cuts. Both of those things happened and the Trump rally continues today. DOW 26,000+ pts!!!

Disagree?

So in your mind a boost that happened before he took office can be attributed to him because of the promise of a corporate tax cut as well as end to stifling regulations? You believe pre-election, that corporations not only 1) knew Trump would win, they 2) knew what his tax plan would like, and what his 3) deregulation efforts would look like? Which de-regulation efforts by the President are you referring too? Him saying "I'm pro-deregulation"?

Do you see why that logic really makes no sense?

Between election day and innauguration. That was the start of the Trump rally.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years

edit: sorry for facts

So "Obama's DOW" went from 12k-18k in 8 yrs. Okay, not bad, my 401k did great in those early years too. Was glad I voted for him in '08.

And it shows "Trump's DOW" went from 18k-26k in one year.

Thank you for the facts!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

edit: sorry for logic

i didn't vote for trump and see him as a human dumpster fire, but all of this harranguing of people to admit this or accept that about anything do nothing but entrench those harrangued and harden hearts and make fixing the shithole we find ourselves in impossible.

i could care less what someone admits or accepts or believes. what i care about is pulling a ron paul-dennis kucinich partnership. most trump supporters agree with me on at least some issues, so let's fix those issues. there are enough problems to work on before we hit empassess.

caveat--here's something that everyone needs to realize, 99% of what effects your life is a function of state and local law, including implementation of federal laws. the place to storm the bastille is your own backyard, but odds on, most who see this post can't name a single city council member, their state representative, their state senator...some won't even know their governor.

states have enormous power, yet people are hypnotized by the dog and pony show in DC, as intended.

upvoted for making some good points.

There is likely a large block of them that will never realize this, the same way you'll never convince my almost 90 year old grandpa that Bush and Cheney were conmen... or the way I get downvoted to oblivion anytime I'm critical of Clinton, Obama or really any democrat on reddit.

Hyperpartisanship.

Trump's been a political conman since the 2000 election, at least, when he helped destroy 3rd party viability in the US. Many of his supporters were sucking their binky in 2000.

Trump is awesome, first time in a long time I'm grinning ear to ear, and it will be for 8 years. Gives me enough time to figure out my exit plan for 2024 when the Communist sjws finnaly get their bot in and all hell goes loose

Dude you have no exit plan. You'll be screwed when trickle down comes calling.

I got plenty of exit plans. If the Cultural Marxists are eventually successful in getting one of their commies in as Prez in the U.S., after 8 years of Trump skyrocketing the Dow Jones and bringing back the economy into 3.2+ gdp and climbing, it will take the libtards some time to undo everything good.

I can either A.) go off the gird, hunting rifle, cabin, solar, chickens, fish/garden. B.) Move to Singapore which has tough immigration, is an actual meritocracy (meaning they dont allow losers like MS13 and ISIS in from Syria unvetted) and work til I retire there. or C.) Join and stay at a Buddhist monastery in a somewhat safe and Libtard free country. I have done 6 months at a monastery before so this is possible too. or D.) Move to an East Europe Country and help fight against the libtard and islamic takeovers of Europe.

Plenty of exit plans

You're a guy with a bottle of Jergens and back issues of Soldier of Fortune. You're beyond immature. Aren't you embarrassed? How old are you?

You're a guy with a bottle of Jergens and back issues of Soldier of Fortune

you sound like you're 12, never used a hammer or a drill, and this is your first time on reddit.

You're beyond immature. Aren't you embarrassed? How old are you?

Lol, okay I'm done talking to you. Its pretty obvious there is zero logic/reason in that peanut. G'day mate

Well there has to be a reason you're so ... odd, if you'll excuse the term.

Well there has to be a reason you're so ... odd, if you'll excuse the term.

Odd, me? Dude, Im over here wondering what the fuck is wrong with you myself. I was considering a number of things: You're a child, or autism, or brain damage, or live in some sort of safe space, or very low intelligence, or anti social.

I dont know which one or combo of things best describes you, but clearly I thought from the getgo you were the odd one here.

Now I'll tell you what. On top of this, I am part of a debate club with intellectuals and college professors, am friends with musicians (some of which are famous) and have a large group of family and friends, and no none of them find me odd.

The only time someone called me odd, was when I was going to school and working at a welding place (to save for college). There was a guy there who was special, and clearly only worked there as a favor to his parents. He was not allowed to touch any welding equipment there. Only sweeping.

One day I was discussing with the guys working there about the connections between democrats and globalists and how they are screwed if globalism continues. The special guy that works there, couldnt really comprehend the level of intelligence I was speaking at, so he called me odd.

And that is why I am guessing there is some brain or special issues with you.

Pretty defensive too. Gonna guess it's not the first time you've heard it.

Pretty defensive too.

not defensive, just entertained. I see this like being your dad and teaching you things

Gonna guess it's not the first time you've heard it.

Im gonna guess you are legit autism

Cultural Marxists

You know that's not a real thing, right?

You know you're parroting literal Nazi propaganda?

You know that's not a real thing, right?

You know thats a real thing right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

You know you're parroting literal Nazi propaganda?

Sigh, when you label critics of the libtard movement as Nazi's, that's pretty much Cultural Marxism. Congrats, you got played and make sure to continue calling anyone who disagrees with you as "nazi" because this is what alt-left does these days, and its fucking pathetic.

Okay, now. Go to school with these for a bit, and let me know what you're done being awakened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIO4oSLwK3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBMjWA3pHwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M

Frankfurt School

Yeah, they were actually criticised for the lack of Marxism in their work... and were predominantly Jews who fled Nazi Germany...

Why do you nutcases always seem to think social theorists are prescriptivist?

Okay, now. Go to school with these for a bit, and let me know what you're done being awakened

Nah, I think I'll go to school by reading books and papers by people who know what they're talking about, instead of the ramblings of YouTube weirdos.

Why do you nutcases always seem to think social theorists are prescriptivist?

Let me ask you a question. You replied like 5 minutes after me, so basically you did not watch the videos correct?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ

Anyway, besides those 3 vids, theres a link and another vid for you here, with all the facts, evidence, sources, names, and everything you need to realize that its 100% fact that there is cultural marxist movement under the guise of post modernism (current liberals) which has infiltrated the education systems, tech, media, hollywood, movies, music, reddit, and Western Culture

Nah, I think I'll go to school by reading books and papers by people who know what they're talking about, instead of the ramblings of YouTube weirdos.

Yeah holy shit dude you are so lost its ridiculous. Keep reading your brainwashed biased books then I guess.

The vids contain facts, professors, journalists, lists of books to read and everything.

But I already know youre type and the cognitive dissonance wil prevent you from watching

You replied like 5 minutes after me, so basically you did not watch the videos correct?

No. I also don't listen to the lady who lives behind the bus stop and shouts about the aliens stealing her teeth. It's just not worth the effort.

cultural marxist

What is your definition of "cultural Marxism" if not the belief that a group of German Jewish intellectuals, the Frankfurt School, sought to remould society and culture as they deemed fit?

post modernism (current liberals)

You have no idea what liberalism even is, do you?

Keep reading your brainwashed biased books then I guess.

There's a reason people are considered experts in their field, and it usually has something to do with knowing what they're talking about.

But, no, the selectively-edited ramblings of nobodies should have equal credence to what's generally accepted as true, right?

No. I also don't listen to the lady who lives behind the bus stop and shouts about the aliens stealing her teeth. It's just not worth the effort.

Ahh okay, judge a book by the cover, live with bias, logic/reason broken, prejudiced, and does not examine facts.

See you later

What is your definition of "cultural Marxism" if not the belief that a group of German Jewish intellectuals, the Frankfurt School, sought to remould society and culture as they deemed fit?

Sorry, I dont listen to brainwashed zombies who only walk on the sidewalk with headphones on and refuse to look at the evidence of the bus that's about to hit them

You have no idea what liberalism even is, do you?

Sure I do. There is a true liberalism that I respect and still hold to some of its attributes and values. And there is this retarded post modernist safe space socialist teetering on communist (post modernist) version.

Dude listen, I'm literally sitting here with at least 100 links ready to go. It was all over before you even replied. But since you refuse to watch the videos, we can no longer go forward. A scientist, intellectual, professor, or a professional debater walks away from any dolt who refuses to look at the evidence

There's a reason people are considered experts in their field, and it usually has something to do with knowing what they're talking about.

Yes, as long they are the ones that you agree with, LOL smh

But, no, the selectively-edited ramblings of nobodies should have equal credence to what's generally accepted as true, right?

I dont consider journalist, professors, scholars, authors, and experts as "nobodies". LOl.

This is hilarious. Your safe space in your brain is showing

Sorry, I dont listen to brainwashed zombies who only walk on the sidewalk with headphones on and refuse to look at the evidence of the bus that's about to hit them

So you're just going to dodge the question.

Yes, as long they are the ones that you agree with, LOL smh

Not at all. There's disagreement, and then there's David Icke-level nutjobbery.

I dont consider journalist, professors, scholars, authors, and experts as "nobodies". LOl.

That does rather depend on who they are.

So you're just going to dodge the question.

Wel you asked this right?

What is your definition of "cultural Marxism" if not the belief that a group of German Jewish intellectuals, the Frankfurt School, sought to remould society and culture as they deemed fit?

Yes. Does it exist now? Yes, its already infiltrated the U.S. education system, media, tech, music, movies/hollywood, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ

Not at all. There's disagreement, and then there's David Icke-level nutjobbery.

Watch the fucking vids. There's no Icke there. I doubt you will, most of your type never does

That does rather depend on who they are.

LOL, omg this is hilarious.

Yeah facts only depend on who shows me them, hahahaha.

Listen, dont ever go outside and look at the the sunset when you're eating your fish and chips in your orwellian country. Only listen to what others tell you about the sunset and make sure that you judge who the person is who's telling you about the sunset.

My god, we have reached ludicrous levels of cognitive dissonance. Now I used to work with a lot of Brits, and they were fuck all with any sort of critical thinking skills or intelligence. I try not to judge a whole country by all of them, but you just keep proving it true.

Yes.

So you've finally agreed that "cultural Marxism" involves blaming the Jews. Cool.

So you've finally agreed that "cultural Marxism" involves blaming the Jews. Cool.

Were jews initially behind it, and involved with it? Sure, the research and facts suggest so.

Is it some JEW based global agenda? I dont know maybe maybe not. Israel just got a flood of African immigrants that they dont want there and want to kick out, (and supposedly cultural diversity is part of it) so who knows.

Is the jew question part of your tactic to not do research, bait someone, and then call them anti-semitic if they answer a certain way?

100% you just pulled a bait and switch, and got called the fuck out on it, and now look stupid AF because of it.

My answer is this Cultural marxism involves blaming the Cultural Marxists.

My answer is this Cultural marxism involves blaming the Cultural Marxists.

The people you call "cultural Marxists", the Frankfurt School, were German Jews who fled Nazi Germany.

How is that a "bait and switch"?

Israel just got a flood of African immigrants that they dont want there and want to kick out

Yeah, Ethiopian Jews. It's almost as if Israel is a racist state or something...

The people you call "cultural Marxists", the Frankfurt School, were German Jews who fled Nazi Germany.

Some of them were jews, and some were Germans. And now, if you look at all the people who identify with, teach, support, and are part of this movement, they arent all Jewish. For example the rise of the anti-white movement and increase in pro-black racists, doesnt necessarily have Jews in it.

However, this certainly makes you think, in terms of all those people who say "jews" are behind it all, lol. I was also a centrist on the matter and never involved myself in these debates, until I finally sat down to do the research to see if its true. Most certainly it shows jews are most definitely involved in all aspects of the world

Yeah, Ethiopian Jews. It's almost as if Israel is a racist state or something...

Of course Israeli Jews ( a large portion of the there) are racist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

Good luck moving to "tough immigration" Singapore on less than a years notice

Good luck moving to "tough immigration" Singapore on less than a years notice

No problem for me, I have friends who own businesses out there and can get me in easy peasy

Communist sjws finnaly get their bot in and all hell goes loose

If you think that isn't all part of the plan I don't know what to tell you. Enjoy the vaudeville show, I guess. I don't blame you for wanting to get out but I don't hold out much hope that there will be anywhere to run to.

When U.S.S.R. collapsed, those in the countryside off the grid continued life as usual, some didn't even know there was a collapse for a decade or more later. Same deal w the great Depression, the off the gridders survive no problem.

Technology changes all things. Already the existence of the internet, supercomputers, gps, satellite tracking, military tech in police hands... changes the scenarios you mentioned. I believe the elites will pull the trigger once everything is in place to prevent any kind of escape off the grid.

That said, I do own a cabin with a propane tank, a wood burning stove and a water pump, in an area that doesnt even technically have a zip code and would make an attempt to go off grid if I was out of options.

Yeah I'd certainly consider Canadian wilderness w hunting rifle and off the grid base camp

Communist sjws

you really can't see how much you've been played? this boogeyman you hate so much doesn't exist, there are some annoying college students who say dumb shit. There aren't elected officials representing these people

the closest thing to a "sjw" is Trump, he cries when he's mocked, he cries when his own words get reported, he cries over everything and lashes out

Stop blinding yourself to be giddy over imagined winnings

There aren't elected officials representing these people

Sure there are, Bernie, Hillary, Corey Booker who just had a meltdown, dick Durbin, rahm Emmanuel, and many others

the closest thing to a "sjw" is Trump, he cries when he's mocked, he cries when his own words get reported, he cries over everything and lashes out

Wrong. Sjws want open borders, hand outs, safe spaces, censorship, free everything, gun control, Communism/socialism, and so on.

You mean your strawman that you constantly change to be whatever you hate at the moment

actualy it sounds like youre the one with the strawman. Here's me: Trump didnt sign Globalist agreements TPP + Paris Agrrement (+2). Wants closed Borders (+3), is against the lying propaganda fake news media (+4), doesnt want people coming here from shitholes just like I dont want that (+5), lowered corporate taxes so apple is repatriating its money and Chrysler is coming back to Detroit (+7), and my 401k and Stocks are murdering right now (+1000)

But hey i'll tell you what, being an ex-Dem born and raised in Chicago and growing up poor and around minorities and blacks, Obama was supposed to be the savior as senator and as President, and he did JACK SHIT to help the South Side and that's when my eyes were opened that Democrats are virtue signaling pieces of shit just like republicans. No one ever does shit for the poor neighborhoods, but now under Trump, lowest Black Unemployment rates since the rates have been recorded.

I am also a patriot, constitutionalist, and independent and Trump is goddam national Treasure. We are lucky because we were this () close to having a SJW Sell Out Crooked H who ruined Libya become the true dictator and causing a collapse, at least now its averted for 8 years.

Also, I really hope you prosper, learn to love America, the constitution, own a gun, learn to shoot, have a family, and become a productive, intelligent, and educated member of a society which should be Meritocracy, just like I am, so that one day we can all eat at the same table and be merry and joyous

Your run on sentences don't appear very intelligent. And since when do you HAVE to shoot guns? That's not what the 2nd amendment is about, outside of the NRA.

Your run on sentences don't appear very intelligent

My degrees say otherwise, but you know, let some internet forum and grammar rules be de judge, shucks (spits tobacco into jug)

And since when do you HAVE to shoot guns?

Weekends or days off work best. Dont do it under the influence of alcohol and use proper safety standards

You sound like a real lunatic. I'm sure you've got THE BEST advanced degrees.

I'm sure you've got THE BEST advanced degrees.

Only the best, a doctorate in Finance and computer science B.A.

You didn't even answer my question - I don't care when you think it's best to shoot.

We have the right to bear arms, the law is there so citizens are armed against the Gov or enemies of the state. Its your duty as a citizen to get yourself a gun and protect yourself, your family, and others in case any MS13 illegal immigrant gang members or terrorists from muslim shithole countries try to do something, then you are properly trained to take down the threat accurately and save lives

Are you Eric?

Tell us more about how papa is only able to see the color green and is the least racist person ever

Are you Eric?

Yes

Tell us more about how papa is only able to see the color green and is the least racist person ever

Tell us more about you cant wait to move to a shithole country and are saving all your money so you can move to the south side of Chicago and how you keep the borders(doors) to your house open to whoever wants to freely come in and do whatever they want

Lol, you got a BA in Computer Science? Was the math too hard for you to pull a BS?

You're a joke.

Lol, you got a BA in Computer Science?

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-north-carolina-chapel-hill/1516165-b-a-computer-science-vs-b-s-computer-science.html

I was originally going for philosophy, switched half way, then switched to Finance.

Also how about instead of calling people jokes, you debate the topic?

Because you do things like say all his policies helped black unemployment, then flip out asking how a specific policy does that when asked yourself, and then you double down saying that is in fact the case right after. You also don't actually directly answer anyone's questions. It's not coherent and there's no debate to be had.

Nice username. Hey do you sacrifice kids or animals to Baal in hopes that "hillgod" makes another run in 2020?

Chapel Hill is a fucking joke, even among other North Carolinians

Chapel Hill is a fucking joke, even among other North Carolinians

thats a good things I dodnt go to that piece of shit joke of a school. Im in chicago anyway

What was your thesis?

Except, you don't. The old government never intended to have everyone have a gun. You are not a militia man. You're just a nut job with a gun that will bend over and take it from the government. You won't revolt. You don't understand hardship. Americans have become far too soft

Except, you don't.

bwAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah because you know me so well which means you can speak for me, lol

The old government never intended to have everyone have a gun.

Sure they did, because revolution, because civil war, because checks and balances

You are not a militia man.

Sure I am, I train with ex-mil, hunt, camp, train in various fighting and military tactics, its great

You're just a nut job with a gun that will bend over and take it from the government.

Lol, yeah right. I'd get killed fighting back instead of a bitch on my knees like you most certainly would be

You won't revolt.

I revolt all the time by breaking the law, making and selling moon shine, illegal activities, tax fraud and so on and have never nor will i ever get caught

You don't understand hardship.

Sure I have. I fought 5 dudes and lost, have been jobless, homeless, having to eat from trashcans and many other hardships. I'm a hard MF'er from the shit I have been through and guarantee if we were toe to toe, would never back down even if there were 5 of you

Americans have be

Come out here and say it to my face and I will show you soft

Sure I have. I fought 5 dudes and lost, have been jobless, homeless, having to eat from trashcans and many other hardships. I'm a hard MF'er from the shit I have been through and guarantee if we were toe to toe, would never back down even if there were 5 of you

r/thatHappened/

Come see me in person, then you can determine irl

bwAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah because you know me so well which means you can speak for me, lol

I was saying that you don't have the right to bear arms. Tho I'm not really sure if I believe you graduated college either. I wouldn't want to know you couldn't pay me enough to want to get to know you.

Sure they did, because revolution, because civil war, because checks and balances

That literally means nothing. You are neither a check or a balance. If you truly see yourself as one then you have done a true garbage job.

Sure I am, I train with ex-mil, hunt, camp, train in various fighting and military tactics, its great

No dude. You're that wack job that gets made fun of when those people go home at night. You're that weird outdoors 'survival' guy. You have to actually be in a militia, which each state has several, to be a militia person.

Lol, yeah right. I'd get killed fighting back instead of a bitch on my knees like you most certainly would be

Sure ya would bud, sure ya would.

I revolt all the time by breaking the law, making and selling moon shine, illegal activities, tax fraud and so on and have never nor will i ever get caught

r/iamverybadass to be serious though. Video games don't count.

Sure I have. I fought 5 dudes and lost, have been jobless, homeless, having to eat from trashcans and many other hardships. I'm a hard MF'er from the shit I have been through and guarantee if we were toe to toe, would never back down even if there were 5 of you

Holy shit are you a gold mine for r/iamverybadass

Come out here and say it to my face and I will show you soft

I'm sure all six hundred pounds of gross ass smelling red neck is very intimidating to the local children.

I was saying that you don't have the right to bear arms.

I do, and own various hand guns, rifles, and visit my local gun range or train on my Grandfathers 30 acres

Tho I'm not really sure if I believe you graduated college either. I wouldn't want to know you couldn't pay me enough to want to get to know you.

I dont care what you believe or dont believe

That literally means nothing.

LOL. Oooooookayyyyyyyy

You are neither a check or a balance.

Sure I am, me and 360 million others. All it really takes is one guy like manning, snowden, assange to bring down a deepstate shill like Crooked H.

Or if we are talking about globalists like Soros or Rothschilds, all it takes is one man who is trained and armed

If you truly see yourself as one then you have done a true garbage job.

Again, nice opinion and dont care

No dude. You're that wack job that gets made fun of when those people go home at night.

Right now, you seem like the wack job

You're that weird outdoors 'survival' guy.

People who dont go outdoors and are on reddit, FB, twitter glued to their screens and jobs all day are the wack jobs. Get some air dude, go fishing, hunt a deer, learn some skill, build a cabin with your dad by hand, FFS this is the beta male weakness of todays societies with the lack of any of this and seeing people who do this as wack jobs, LOL

You have to actually be in a militia, which each state has several, to be a militia person. Edit: You probably show up in all camo as well. Fucking loser man.

Yup, I'm part of my local militia, Uni debate club, friends with professors, authors, blue collar folks, I work, and I do things outside unlike the weakass beta loser generation which stays home all day scared of everything. When the shit hits the fan its your type who is dead from lack of food in a week, beta sucker

r/iamverybadass to be serious though. Video games don't count.

LOL hahahahaha "videogames" what a weak beta waste of time for nerds. Read a book (for you specifically):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlsqQAHJyY

Holy shit are you a gold mine for r/iamverybadass

Holy shit youre a goldmind for R/NEETS r/virginneckbeards r/scaredofoutdoors r/autism

I'm sure all six hundred pounds of gross ass smelling red neck is very intimidating to the local children.

LOL, I'm from the inner city, lots of tats and work out daily loser, hahahahaa

I wish somebody loved you so you weren't the way you are.

I have a whole family who loves me and lots of friends and I love life and have love for you too, I want to see you Make Yourself Great Again and I support that. Life is great

I wish that was true. I just can't believe a real grown up with a real life and love in his heart would spend his short existence defending a millionaire that would rather step over his corpse than give him a nickel. He fucking despises you from the depths of his soul and he just used you. Despite that, you lick the government's boots because he made you feel important for a moment and parrot an elderly lifelong conman's words as gospel. It's so sad.

I wish that was true. I just can't believe a real grown up with a real life and love in his heart would spend his short existence defending a millionaire that would rather step over his corpse than give him a nickel.

he doesnt have to give me a nickel, Id rather work hard and prove myself instead of being on Government handouts. His tax cuts already allowed my company to give me a bonus this Xmas of $1,500 and I will be getting like an extra $3k back from taxes. Plus he decided not to take the $400k Presidential Pay which is Awesome in itself. Most important is the moves he made to grow the economy and bring the corporations back.

He fucking despises you from the depths of his soul and he just used you.

No he doesnt, he's a patriot who loves the country. A patriot will always love his fellow citizens just like I'm a patriot and I have love for you even if you are brainwashed by fake news cnn

Despite that, you lick the government's boots because he made you feel important for a moment and parrot an elderly lifelong conman's words as gospel. It's so sad.

No, I dont lick the gov's boots. I love the president and what he's doing, but not the crooked FBI/CIA/NSA and military industrial complex, those are who have been ruing the country

:(

dont worry even though you are against him, hes making change that will be beneficial for most citizens

How do you feel about the many contractors he never paid?

How about the girls who danced for him on the campaign trail at his rallies that he stiffed?

How about his fraud University where he conned students?

His taxes don't start until next year buddy

So you love a man who has convinced you that anyone who says anything bad about him is lying

How would you describe a cult?

How do you feel about the many contractors he never paid?

Yeah it sucks, what are you gonna do, when you run a real estate company with 100's of employees these kinds of things happen, and he's human.

How about the girls who danced for him on the campaign trail at his rallies that he stiffed?

Source? If he did, well i go to strip clubs every now and then too, but never stiffed any of them

How about his fraud University where he conned students?

Sucks

His taxes don't start until next year buddy

Amazing isn't it? Dont start til next year and all these corporations moving back and I already got a bonus because of it. We should just have businessmen as Presidents from now on

So you love a man who has convinced you that anyone who says anything bad about him is lying

Lots of people lie, especially the media

How would you describe a cult?

LDS, Scientology, Catholicism, etc. If you are implying thats trump supporters, well, its an awesome cult, filed with nationalism, love of country, guns, women, constitution, anti-globalism etc. This is the first time in a long time I'm actually proud of my country again

How about the girls who danced for him on the campaign trail at his rallies that he stiffed?

Source? If he did, well i go to strip clubs every now and then too, but never stiffed any of them

I love how you think he was referring to Trump going to strip clubs while on the campaign trail. That would be an amusing story to read about.

Does he wear a suit and tie along with his red maga hat while he's tossing ones on a stage in these Podunk town strip clubs, or does he go incognito with Mike Pence, dressed like plumbers?

I love how you think he was referring to Trump going to strip clubs while on the campaign trail. That would be an amusing story to read about.

source?

http://fortune.com/2016/09/01/donald-trump-campaign-lawsuit/

what kind of source is this lol

The group is now suing Donald J. Trump for President for breach of contract, Bloomberg reports. A complaint filed Tuesday claims that the campaign has violated a verbal agreement it made with the U.S.A. Freedom Kids regarding a rally performance in Des Moines, Iowa. It includes an email they received from Stephanie Scruggs, the Trump campaign’s field director, which read: “As discussed, we are not able to pay the girls or cover travel, however, we have coordinated with the event space to allow the girls to set up a table and pre-sell their albums, shirts, etc. if this is helpful to you.” The arrangement was meant to substitute the group’s $2,500 fee.

The troupe claims that after arriving in Chicago, and paying for travel and lodging at their own expense, they were informed that their performance had been canceled. They’re seeking between $5,000 and $15,000 in damages.

So these performers manager wants more money. Ok, well this has nothing to do with anything

All you can do is repeat talking points, proud like nationalists throughout history. Such a great track record

All you can do is repeat talking points, proud like nationalists throughout history. Such a great track record

oh i can do more, like post sources and links.

Dude you’re trying to tell me you have a PhD in finance and you only got a $1500 bonus and you’re getting a tax RETURN? You might be the most poorly paid finance PhD I’ve ever heard of. I’ve also never heard of anyone in finance getting a Christmas bonus. Finance bonuses come in between 2/28 and 3/31 and they usually start in the 6 figures. Maybe look for a new job? Are were you just lying? 🤔

Dude you’re trying to tell me you have a PhD in finance and you only got a $1500 bonus and you’re getting a tax RETURN?

Yes. Its my first gig since I just graduated last summer and got to pay my dues where I'm at. Relax, we dont all make 6 figures until year 2-3

You definitely should be dude. You ought to look for something new because you’re being paid well below market value. A 1st year with your degree should be getting at least 50k in bonus. But maybe you didn’t get a finance related job? Nobody in finance gets a Christmas bonus. They all get paid out late feb to late March.

You definitely should be dude. You ought to look for something new because you’re being paid well below market

I'm good. I'm on a 1year internship at a brokerage. They always pay shit the first year, but as long as I make it past the rookie hazing and shit pay in year one, then they bring you aboard for 6 figures which will be this summer for me. I have a friend who got me in here who has been here for 5 years now so Im all good

And no one in finance is going to get a bonus because of Trump tax policy. Your claim makes zero sense in the industry, but maybe you just don’t actually work in finance.

TONS of companies gave out bonuses because of Trump. Literally everyone in this brokerage, in the CME markets, stock markets, they all love trump cause they know he's smart AF to turn the economy around.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/apple-is-said-to-give-employees-2-500-bonuses-after-new-tax-law

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/17/trump-tax-cut-and-jobs-act-reason-employees-getting-bonus-checks-company-says

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/over-100-companies-giving-trump-bonuses-after-tax-victory-tsunami-building/article/2644944

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2018/01/10/less-than-meets-eye-bonuses-not-raises-u-s-tax-cut-windfall/1021163001

Dude Trump is KILLIN it right now and he's legit going to get 8 years. Trust me

Do you really think the black unemployment rate went down because of Trump? What policy or policies, specifically?

You don't consider that policies take time, and that the rate decreased far more under Obaka, due to Bush's admin skyrocketting it, do you?

Do you really think the black unemployment rate went down because of Trump? What policy or policies, specifically?

Yes, all of them

You don't consider that policies take time, and that the rate decreased far more under Obaka, due to Bush's admin skyrocketting it, do you?

No not under obama. The companies all coming back to the U.S. are directly saying its because of Trump's policies.

I voted for obummer but he was useless and shit for economy and for the middle and poor folks.

All of them That produced audible laughter. Absolutely delusional. How does decreasing the land in Bear's Ear National Monument affect unemployment in the positive? As in, it's already happened? I question if you're real...

What does companies announcing they're coming back (who, exactly?), What does that have to do with current unemployment

That produced audible laughter. Absolutely delusional. How does decreasing the land in Bear's Ear National Monument affect unemployment in the positive? As in, it's already happened? I question if you're real...

WTF does land in a national monument have to do with Globalism and economics on a macro scale?

What does companies announcing they're coming back (who, exactly?), What does that have to do with current unemployment

https://investorplace.com/2017/01/10-companies-bringing-jobs-back-to-america/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/01/11/fiat-chrysler-moving-some-production-back-mexico/1027093001/

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2018/01/11/fiat-chrysler-investing-billion-dollars-warren-truck/1026517001/

http://fortune.com/2018/01/17/apple-domestic-jobs-investment/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/04/so-much-winning-apple-likely-to-repatriate-200-billion-thanks-to-trumps-tax-bi-n2430244

Its fucking amazing what a businessman could do in 13 months what a "Educated Democrat" couldnt do in 8 years. MAGA all the way

You said all of his policies. Glad we now agree that's not the case.

None of those things in your links has happened yet, and therefore has had no affect on current unemployment. But whatever, Trump could shoot your relative in Times Square and you'd support Glorious Leader for exercising his rights.

You said all of his policies. Glad we now agree that's not the case.

it is the case

None of those things in your links has happened yet, and therefore has had no affect on current unemployment.

They do.

But whatever, Trump could shoot your relative in Times Square and you'd support Glorious Leader for exercising his rights.

He really is awesome

Obama had the DOJ investigate the Chicago police and many other departments nationwide, and worked to build better community relations and Institute more standards and policies to curb police brutality

Trump and sessions undid that completely.

Either you're ignorant as hell and lying, or you're just a propaganda pushing troll

Obama had the DOJ investigate the Chicago police and many other departments nationwide, and worked to build better community relations and Institute more standards and policies to curb police brutality

And yet South Side Chicago has the equivalent of the Vegas Massacre each and every month....hmmmm

Trump and sessions undid that completely.

Sure they did

Either you're ignorant as hell and lying, or you're just a propaganda pushing troll

Come at me with sources, then I'l hit you back with sources and we'll see who wins

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ag-sessions-says-trump-administration-pull-back-police-department-civil-n726826

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/us/trump-justice-department-police.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-09-15/justice-department-ends-cops-office-review-of-local-police

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/police-military-gear-ban-lifted/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-orders-justice-department-to-review-all-police-reform-agreements/2017/04/03/ba934058-18bd-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.c4d0f4e87bd6

From your first link:

"We need, so far as we can, to help police departments get better, not diminish their effectiveness. And I'm afraid we've done some of that," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

And you know why? Because Obama's policies, law suits, camera phones that start recording after the suspects have already done their initial attacks making the video one sided, then creates this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-chicago-violence-kass-0831-20160830-column.html

Chicago gangs no longer know or fear the police, and bodies pile up

This is from my own fucking city where I have friends who are both cops and both ex gang members. Under Obama, the policies enacted created a police force that feared doing anything, so the Gangs went nuts with murders and drugs.

Thanks you fucking idiot Obama. Such a weak beta bitch.

So you looked at one link, repeated your same rant, ignored the rest and made no point what so ever

I looked at the first link, gave you a rebuttal on why its wrong, and now am waiting for you debate the rebuttal. Instead, you are calling it a repeated rant and saying I never read the rest.

Let me know if you have anything to debate with, because I am on the front lines and saw exactly how shit Obama's policies were on the police and the policing of a high murder rate city, and have links and sources to debate with as well.

Standing my for rebuttals and sources

Read the next 4 links. Stop hiding from sources that were already provided. They're each on different aspects of what has occurred.

On top of ending the police reform, Trump and Sessions are ramping up the drug war as well. Anyone who knows anything about history knows that gangs thrive when there are black markets to profit off of.

Try reading the rest of what was provided, then try and explain how Trump is going to improve anything.

And try explaining how police deciding that because they can't just shoot anyone and make up a reason for why after the fact, excuses them from not doing their actual jobs.

"Chicago gangs no longer know or fear the police, and bodies pile up"

That sentence literally means nothing.

"the policies enacted created a police force that feared doing anything"

You mean police were going to be held accountable? So that if they claim someone tried to stab them, they better have actually tried stabbing them instead of moving away from the cop when they were executed? Followed by police deleting evidence of their actions?

"This is from my own fucking city where I have friends who are both cops and both ex gang members."

From what I can tell, those could be the very same people, why do you only expect non cops to adhere to the law?

Read the next 4 links. Stop hiding from sources that were already provided. They're each on different aspects of what has occurred

Ok so just got done reading all the links except fake news CNN which this sub agreed to no longer allow any stories from because they are fake propaganda.

There are 2 sides of the story. The first is that police need reformation and new training so they follow the rules, regain community trust, less murders, less law suits, and everyone wins.

The second side, is that the doing the above makes the police soft and makes the crooks, murderers, gangs no longer respect a soft police force so everything should go back to hands off policing.

I agree with a middle ground. I saw the latter part happen here in Chicago, police were scared to go on the news, to get a law suit, and to lose their jobs so they stopped being hard asses, and they stopped policing as much in the south side and west side shitholes, so crime went up, which is one of the side effects.

On top of ending the police reform, Trump and Sessions are ramping up the drug war as well. Anyone who knows anything about history knows that gangs thrive when there are black markets to profit off of.

Trump said he would lets states handle MJ, but sessions is against it. Obviousl I dont agree w sessions and it should be federally and nationally legalized. This isnt going to stop the coke and heroin though, which will continue to get sold and fund cartels, who should be fought against. Also people are OD'ing on street heroin, so you think legalizing it is the way?

Try reading the rest of what was provided, then try and explain how Trump is going to improve anything.

I did, its all the same shit about police reform. Doesnt change the fact that I witnessed Chicago police become a bunch of scared pussies who no one respected anymore because they were scared to police

And try explaining how police deciding that because they can't just shoot anyone and make up a reason for why after the fact, excuses them from not doing their actual jobs.

Yeah a lot of cops suck. There are situations where the cop is wrong and should go to jail, but there are also many situations where the cop was in the right. Like i said, if you reform and pussify too much, you've let the thugs win. IF you let the cops be too hard, then they end up doing bullshit we all agree is wrong

That sentence literally means nothing.

That sentence means everything. I fucking live here and saw the cops become pussies and the crime and murder rates go up and watch as the ghetto thugs now take rides into downtown and nice neighborhoods to do their crimes before escaping back to the ghetto. This used to never happen until the reformation and pussification here

From what I can tell, those could be the very same people, why do you only expect non cops to adhere to the law?

I dont. However, someone dies on Earth every 8 seconds. If some thugged out shooter who has already killed others gets killed by the cops and they plant a handgun on him or lie about it, to be honest I'm okay with that. Some trash will never reform and never turn around.

On the other hand, there is a law and cops should adhere to it, yes.

Like I said, this is complicated. Its not about police reformation and we're good. Its so much deeper than that

police were scared to go on the news, to get a law suit, and to lose their jobs so they stopped being hard asses

You mean they were actually told to follow the law themselves and not act like the criminals they are supposed to protect citizens from?

what a fucking horrific idea!

And here you are defending them being pussies.

Pathetic

"Yeah a lot of cops suck. There are situations where the cop is wrong and should go to jail, but there are also many situations where the cop was in the right. "

What the fuck? So prosecute the ones that do things wrong, in situations where cops were right, nothing happens to them, what the hell is your complaint?

That's no different than saying sure some criminals exist, but many people don't commit crimes so we shouldn't police anyone (which is what you're saying the cops are now doing)

"If some thugged out shooter who has already killed others gets killed by the cops and they plant a handgun on him or lie about it, to be honest I'm okay with that."

There we have it. You are not a rational person, you do not care about the rule of law or justice, you just like sticking with the people that are in charge since you assume they'll never plant anything on you.

"Like I said, this is complicated. "

There is nothing complicated about expecting cops to be better than criminals.

You mean they were actually told to follow the law themselves and not act like the criminals they are supposed to protect citizens from?

No, I mean the hard ass alpha style that cops need to be in the Hood, got replaced by scared, weak, fearful of cameras/law suits/doing their job because of the new reformations, causing crime and murder to go up

And here you are defending them being pussies.Pathetic

Im not defending them being pussies, I'm defending them being allowed to be alpha and rule the hood with an iron fist because thats what thugs and criminals fear and at least have some respect for.

Its pathetic that you think a Ghetto can be policed by nice guys, hahahahahahahahaha

What the fuck? So prosecute the ones that do things wrong, in situations where cops were right, nothing happens to them, what the hell is your complaint?

I already laid it out for you, and if you dont get it, then that's your problem

There we have it. You are not a rational person, you do not care about the rule of law or justice, you just like sticking with the people that are in charge since you assume they'll never plant anything on you.

Sure I'm rational. I have had guns put to my head, my house broken into and robbed, and my car shot at with me in it while doing no wrong and no harm. I understand that some people are zombies who cannot ever be reformed and if they die, in whatever way they die, then I am okay with that because death is normal, its part of life.

Now am I okay with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo

No of course not. Like I said, we need some reformation so cops are held accountable, and body cams help, but also need to keep the police force in the Hood to be Alpha

There is nothing complicated about expecting cops to be better than criminals.

I already laid it out for you, and if you dont get it and lack the logic and reason to understand, that's your own problem

You already said that you are perfectly fine with police breaking the law and framing people for crimes.

You support criminal behavior.

You are dangerous and deranged, I guess you made your point about Chicago

You already said that you are perfectly fine with police breaking the law and framing people for crimes.

Yes in certain situations. Say a pedophile keeps getting away with his crimes, or a killer, or a rapist, and cops have to make it happen to get them off the streets, I'm okay with this. But if its someone innocent, it sucks.

You support criminal behavior.

Yes, but only if its against another criminal. I am also in support of stealing from the banksters, from the crooked Gov, from the Globalist Illuminati, and so on

You are dangerous and deranged

Anyone who is passionate and stands against the status quo would be looked this way. I am a leader amongst men, not a follower, and leaders often get attacked

But if its someone innocent, it sucks.

So what should happen then?

Should cops plant stuff on the cops that were planting stuff on innocent people?

"Yes, but only if its against another criminal. I am also against stealing from the banksters, from the crooked Gov, from the Globalist Illuminati, and so on"

Yet you support Trump, who filled his cabinet with the most notable of the world elite banksters and heads of industry who are there to profit after donating to him

"Anyone who is passionate and stands against the status quo would be looked this way. I am a leader amongst men, not a follower, and leaders often get attacked"

You know this is what mentally ill people say right? You need a psychiatrist

So what should happen then?

justice

Should cops plant stuff on the cops that were planting stuff on innocent people?

These sorts of things already happen, the ones who dont play along get snuffed out one way or another

Yet you support Trump, who filled his cabinet with the most notable of the world elite banksters and heads of industry who are there to profit after donating to him

Not all banksters are bad. Tillerson, for example, is a vocal patriot and constitutionalist. Also el trumpo didnt sign tpp or paris agreement, thats all I really need plus the Apple repatriation money and return into the U.S.

He's not perfect, neither am I or you, so I always take the human factor into consideration. I also voted for Obama in 2008 and gave him a shot, but regretted in the end doing so and the descent of the left into sjw/safe space/snowflake libtardism.

You know this is what mentally ill people say right? You need a psychiatrist

You know its illegal to give people medical advice in America unless you are licensed right? Unless you produce a psychiatryt license, you might what to stfu trying to give others ill advised medical advise.

Also as someone who has worked for and contracted for high security parts of the Government and have had to take various tests to get my contractor license, I have passed with flying colors all mental and physical tests.

Like I said, I'm a fucking leader, who leads teams of others, am educated, intellectual, a philosopher, and an alpha. It comes with the territory to go against the grain and think outside of the box that all the brainwashed zombies are imprisoned in.

I thought you said you would bring sources of your own?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-chicago-violence-kass-0831-20160830-column.html

I did, right up there.

Read the rest of the comments all the way to the end and you'll see where the discussion ends up

Sorry, fake news. I need a different source.

Sorry, fake news. I need a different source.

LOL, CNN = Fake News.

That's about 20 people in Northampton. How on earth did you become such a sucker?

That's about 20 people in Northampton. How on earth did you become such a sucker?

wtf are you on about? Wtf does northampton have anything to do with the cultural marxism takeover happening in media, tech (google/twitter/fb), movie, culture, politic, universities, worldwide?

Seriously, that's just a fantasy story for the rubes who just fell off the turnip truck. How can you be so gullible?

LOL, you sound like you just graduated from a cultural marxist Uni, who grew up as part of the safe space P.C. participation trophy generation and dont even realize you have blinders on.

Holy Shit some people are so zombified they dont even know it.

I'll tell you what. Dont question anything, just stay on your turnip truck

Ah. "Uni". So you're not American. Now we are getting somewhere.

well traveled american who has lived in various places abroad. now no more assumptions

Ah. Army brat.

Ah. Army brat.

no, nothing at all in common. Dude, just give it up. Its clear the assumptions and delusions you imagine keep taking you further from the truth.

The "boogeyman" most certainly exists in some areas of the country like Los Angeles. And at the same time, SJW D politicians cut secret deals with R politicians to fuck over the poor. https://www.presstelegram.com/2018/01/15/long-beach-mayors-biggest-competitor-backs-out-of-april-election-the-reason-is-murky/

This is not a Republican vs Democrat issue. This is a Rich vs Poor issue. It's a battle that the everyman is losing.

Wait, so the Communists are the ones cutting backroom deals to fuck over poor people?

I don't think he actually knows what communist means, he's just saying it as an insult lol

You don't seem to understand what it means to be a communist.

Fucking Goldman Sachs shill...

Yeah right. Fuck Goldman Sachs. All I needed to see was Trump turning down TPP and Paris Agreement. That's a big fuck you to the globalist nwo swamp who run institutions like golden Sachs.

By the way, you just broke 10 Einstein. R.I.P

That's hilarious. He is slipping TPP provisions into NAFTA renegotiation. The only ones ultimately profiting from the US leaving the Paris Agreement are the fossil fuel industry, and Trump's cabinet is full of Goldman Sachs officials and neocons.

That's hilarious. He is slipping TPP provisions into NAFTA renegotiation.

That's hilarious because the article states

Senior Trump administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, defended the move as consistent with Trump’s desire to have multiple, one-on-one trade deals with countries, rather than a single agreement like TPP, which included a dozen nations.

Which is typically what you want to see, negotiations with the bigger more trade heavy big gdp countries (all countries in general) using a variety of negotiation tactics instead of being thrown under a global wide umbrella which more than likely wouldnt have allowed him to lower corporate taxes to bring back apple, chrysler, and many other corporations back

The only ones ultimately profiting from the US leaving the Paris Agreement are the fossil fuel industry, and Trump's cabinet is full of Goldman Sachs officials and neocons.

Are they all bad hombres though? Tillerson for example, did work for Goldman Sachs, but only momentarily and he's ultimately a patriotic constitutionalist who admittedly loves the country.

Look, i under there are still shady people there, just as there was under Obama (who unfortunately I voted for in 2008 when I got tricked by the "change propaganda) but shit didnt change.

Did you know Obamamcare was a power/money grab by insurance companies?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-gruber-confession/2014/11/13/474595bc-6b6b-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html

This is the first time Trump has ever run for office, so he was not really a politician before. Trump is also not an attorney. It is interesting that people prefer Hillary who is both a politician and an attorney.

At least Trump will say exactly what he thinks, whether people like it or not.

he's run before, all you're doing is repeating his words which are lies

"At least Trump will say exactly what he thinks, whether people like it or not."

Except "what he thinks" is largely dependent on what the last person he spoke to told him to think, or worse yet, what Fox News just told him to do, as we've seen time and time again from his tweets right after they discuss stories

At least Trump will say exactly what he thinks, whether people like it or not.

I'd be ok if they were original thoughts and not simply the last thing he saw on Fox or that Stephen Miller or Hope Hicks whispers in his ear.

What about "covfefe"?

Yes, when he does go rouge it is quite entertaining.

Sure, but there is a message there, and it makes a certain group of people very nervous.

The message seems to be utter stupidity, but I'm suuure it has a deeper meaning

I hear it is a super secret password.

Funny, that’s like the opposite of what I want in a president (no filter, saying whatever he really thinks without considering consequences of his words). I’ll never understand what people admire about that.

Trump ran for president in 2000.

At least Trump will say exactly what he thinks, whether people like it or not.

That is not a good trait for a statesman to have. There's this thing called "diplomacy".

I know what you mean, but I think that people are sick and tired of "diplomacy". The U.S. government is corrupt and this needs to be dealt with. Someone like Trump is perfect for the job- he does not give a shit and will say whatever he wants.

I know what you mean, but I think that people are sick and tired of "diplomacy".

IIRC, over a period of three days he insulted the governments of Britain, Australia and Germany - three of America's closest allies.

Then he attacks NATO, which is literally all of America's allies.

If he can't keep his mouth shut when it comes to America's friends, what does that say to America's enemies, or neutral countries?

The U.S. government is corrupt and this needs to be dealt with.

No, what this results in is things like wanting to abolish the Department of Energy with no understanding of what it actually does.

You're putting all trump voters in a single block which is really stupid.
People voted for Trump for one or more of the following reasons.
People like his policies.
Hillary was a much more horrible choice.
The left wing pissed off so many people with their nanny state, political correctness and calling half the country "Nazi's", they went to the polls to say "fuck you" to liberals. I'm a racist because I sent my kid to school with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yeah, you're not getting my vote.

Do NOT underestimate this last one. It had a significant impact on my voting choice.

There is likely a large block of them

Dude, I didn't put all Trump supporters into a single block. I said there's a large block of them who will just always vote Republican, just like there's a large block of people who voted for Hillary who will vote for any candidate the DNC puts out.

People voted for Trump for one or more of the following reasons. People like his policies. Hillary was a much more horrible choice.

There is likely a large block of people who voted that way, yes. Doesn't change what I said. Doesn't change the fact that my 90 year old grandpa voted for him simply because he's a hyperpartisan who would literally vote for anyone the RNC puts out.

The Hyperpartisanship is the problem. If you are an issues voter, great. Not everyone is, and that's a huge problem.

It had a significant impact on my voting choice.

Mine as well. I'm a registered independent, I wouldn't vote for either of the trash mainstream parties.

Are you really that insecure?

The last one is the weakest of all the arguments. Policies and personal quality of opponents are all valid reasons to vote for Trump. Being angry because a collection of leftests called you names isn't. If you agree with Nazi ideology, then being called a Nazi isn't so far off the mark. If you don't agree with the Nazis, then those calling you a Nazi are wrong. Not you. You should probably just ignore that idiocy.

Calling half the country "Nazi's"

No your not racist because you sent your kind to school with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you're a racist because you choose to ignore/refuse to acknowledge that a group of people called neoNazi's (let me bold that for you just in case you aren't smart enough to pick it up the first 100 times) wants white supremacy. But hey, ignoring it is always the easiest solution right?

Also, nice job on the victimizing yourself. I'm sure you spend a lot of time calling people liberal snowflakes or something equally hypocritical

Calling half the country Nazi's

No your not racist because you sent your kind to school with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you're a racist because you choose to ignore/refuse to acknowledge that a group of people called neoNazi's (let me bold that for you just in case you aren't smart enough to pick it up the first 100 times) wants white supremacy. But hey, ignoring it is always the easiest solution right?

Also, nice job on the victimizing yourself. I'm sure you spend a lot of time calling people liberal snowflakes or something equally hypocritical

No your not racist because you sent your kind to school with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

Yes you are

Congratulations on completely ignoring my point and arguing the same thing you were before. I don't know why I bother with you Trump supporters any more

You called me a racist in your first sentence. What response to you expect with a lie/personal attack as an opener?

You refuse to acknowledge the fact that neo-nazis are actual nazis by putting nazi in quotes like what they want was dubious or something.....like they weren't open about their very specific beliefs....like they were only being accused of blatant nazism.....are you following me here?

Let me explain it further:

Your issue is you like feeling like the victim in this instance. You have nothing to say about the actual racism perpetrated by this group and instead pretend they don't exist by not acknowledging their existence. The same group that is trying to revive to movement our parents/grandparents/great-grandparents fought against. The very same group who, if they had their way, would only allow white people to exist. The fact that you don't denounce what they say, do, and wish indicates you agree on some level with what they say. It's easier in your mind to say "libtards hate me because I'm a Trump supporter and that's why they call me racist because anyone who doesn't agree with them is racist. Fuck those snowflakes" rather than "wow it's messed up that the ideology that we fought against in WWII (not even a century ago) is resurfacing and has super fucked up ideals." I'm not even a liberal and I don't call single person who disagrees with me a racist, but in this case I'm going to act under the assumption you are simply because of the reasons stated.

Yes you are allowed freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean others will have to like it. If you support nazis assholes then take a guess as to what you pretty much are?

Uhh to be honest trump didn’t get the majority of young vote..

So?

Doesn't mean that literally millions of 18-25 year olds didnt vote for him, and of those millions, many were totally unaware of his role in the 2000 election.

OK. I am conpletely unaware of it. I was only 3 at the time but I also have never heard his mentioned before tbqh.

You can't really fault them for not knowing. You'd have to do weeks or even months worth of reading on him just to go back before 2016.

Weeks or months worth of reading?

It's literally in the second paragraph of the "political career" section of his wiki page.

God forbid that anyone do 2 minutes of reading about the political career of a presidential candidate... the one they are going to vote for, no less.

No, you know what? Fuck me for expecting anyone to research anything that important.

Were you not here for the entire primary and general election? Reddit hated Clinton with a seething passion.

So you think I don't get downvoted when I criticize Clinton or the democrats? You realize I can actually produce these posts, right... that there's actual evidence of what I'm saying?

The fact that you, personally, had your comments downvoted does not prove a point one way or another. From my experience, if you wrote a negative comment about Clinton during the primary, it was basically free upvotes.

So what happened, then?

Also, kinda crazy you think this when a bunch of your top comments of all time are pro-clinton

Gotta disagree man. I noticed quite the opposite during the 2016 race.

It still stands to this day that reddit is pretty left leaning.

I guess it depends on what subreddit you were on, but I distinctly remember the front page of /r/politics at one point during the primary being nothing but Clinton hit-pieces.

I must have missed that. It quickly went the opposite way. R/T_D was definitely brigading the entire site, but I noticed eventually that literally any corner of this site will jump on any anti-liberal ideas very quickly.

It sucks on both ends. Whether you are liberal or conservative you are going to get shit on by the polar opposition for your opinion. That’s just how it has ended up being one year later. There is no middle ground it seems.

Yeah, the only somewhat "center-left" subreddit I've seen is /r/poltical_discussion.

heres a conspiracy of my own: the people who are loudest online often spend most of their free time there and are swayed by the crowd to think one way, either red or blue. its their daily routine. i think its a minority the silent majority, who go about daily lives without actively searching for online prey or circlejerking, form their opinions by what truly matters to them with the time they spend and it usually ends up as all different hues from violet to magenta.

i just came from a thread on /r/subredditcancer about some article stating that one group of people murdered more in the US than the other. the comments are vile and equally despicable from both sides

You are probably onto something. It makes sense and I have had that same thought. Almost a self fulfilling prophecy in a way. Those of us that cant spend 8 hrs a day on reddit have our own opinions formed that are more or less not the extreme left or right we see here. I always come to reddit and I’m like ehhh I don’t really get down with full blown PC liberalism. Then I go to Voat and I’m like “wellllll you guys are kinda nuts too and have been openly racist on this site so this isnt for me either”.

Internet Politicking. The way of the future. Buckle up buccos it is going to be sad.

ya, i feel u

I mean those who voted for trump are pretty obvious. The racists. Those who thinks that muslims are the problems. And those who think that black people are the problems.

Who do you think the "problems" are?

I have no idea. I'm not a trump supporter but this is the main point they always push

You have no idea? But you know Trump supporters are wrong, though.

Sound really well-thought-out, bro

Remember when Obama was criticized for just being popular because he was "cool" and looked good on TV? And then his detractors proceed to put their eggs in the basket of a reality TV personality known for being an abrasive troll?

i remember when HRC decided that Trump would make a good "pied piper" candidate

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

half of the comments you make mention clinton, who gives a shit about her? she lost, get over it

i think the HRC voters are the ones who need to get over the fact that HRC lost, and quit making posts like the OP

we know HRC plans on running again in 2020, so she's still fair game for us to bring her dirt up

It's funny watching you folks circle jerk over her, thinking anyone else cares.

you care enough to comment, and some other butt hurt HRC voters care enough to upvote your comment.

its gonna be a long 8 years for you losers

Please try and understand that a sizable majority of Democrats don't give a shit about her, and are looking forward to the midterms and beyond.

Believing that HRC has a chance in hell of running in 2020, or that a measurable amount of Democrats would even want that, shows the bizarre bubble you live in.

HRC will remain the DNC standard-bearer until she is replaced. so far that has not happened.

How long did it take her ghost writers to write her book?

Good thing she wasn't POTUS, working on something important, with a timetable like hers

Remember when I brought up Hillary? Because neither do I. I don't like Hillary, I think she is a crook. How is she relevant however? She isn't president, she lost to her pied Piper. So what does bringing her up have to do with Trump following the same fucking bought and sold agenda every president before him has pushed? Why is it that in a topic discussing him, you need to deflect to Hillary Clinton who is irrelevant to a discussion about Trump being a puppet?

Life is a lot greater when you don't pick sides and don't feel obligated to be a PR assistant for Neocons and Neolibs

I'm sorry, i obviously mistook your for a HRC voter.

Hillary is relevant because usually when we are talking about an election it comes down to the lesser of two evils

like when people used to complain about Obama, i just remind them that it could have been HRC, and then the light bulb lights up and they get it, and then i tell them they can thank me later.

and the same applies to Trump

sure he has some problems, but at least he's not HRC

i dont think you quite understand just how loathed she is across the spectrum of people. she's been in the public eye long enough to have made a bad impression on everyone

her campaign slogan was "I'm With Her"

selfish, all about her, not about the country.

"first woman president" hardly outweighs her baggage

his campaign slogan was "Make America Great Again

which was a blatant rip off of Ronald Reagan's campaign slogan

Trump copied success. that seems to have been a smart move

Hillary tried something new and failed spectacularly

no comment? /u/ShitoshiSan

its not as much fun after the brigade has moved on?

Remember how the Clinton's have been living in your head rent free for 30+ years. So delicious that you only got them for a consensual blowie.

so, I'm the person who created the so called "tip gate" scandal during the 2008 Iowa caucuses, which cost HRC the win and let some no-name token diversity candidate pull ahead and ultimately win the nomination and general election

http://nytimes.com/2007/11/09/us/politics/09clinton.html

and in 2016 i was instrumental in helping put the words "pizza" and "gate" together in the minds of the masses... again, costing HRC the win

and i generally consider myself left-leaning

voted for Clinton, Gore, Obama twice, caucused for Sanders, etc

anyway, to make a long story short

she lost, and i won

and by extension, you also lost

https://i.redd.it/nupjdfja6mxy.jpg

in 2016 i was a single issue voter

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Lol congrats on being a putin cuckboi

no1currs what "you claim to have done" and I don't believe you.

Er thinking about it, I think I should thank you for getting Trump elected. If Hillary won then Republicans would of just obstructed and try and throw more bullshit bengahzi email investigations then imaginable that never go anywhere but stalls her agenda.

With Trump winning we all get to see how shitty Republicans are, how shitty Trump is.

I mean with out Trump we wouldn't know that the Republicans are traitor fuckbois accepting money from Russia to win the election. We wouldn't know that Trump has money laundered millions of dollars of Russian Oligarch money stolen from the Russian people.

All those racist fuckbois sticking there head into the light get a big target marked on them and we get to point an laugh when the sunlight hits them and then they try and hide but can't.

So thanks for getting Trump in to office. I think its going to make America much better after the Mueller comes in a fucks those Russian traitor fuckbois in the GOP and VP / Presidency when the are frog marched and put against a wall and shot in their shitty traitor faces. Hopefully it will be Trumps "wall" when it happens on public TV

The tears of you Pedes will satisfy my need for water for YEARS.

i think you may be operating under the false assumption that i am a republican.

which is sad, because it tells me that you are a democrat.

probably a democrat who doesn't know about democrats and the KKK,

and accuses republicans of rampant racism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEOiDjdhF4

Lol I know exactly what you is.

Omg I took high school history too thanks for pointing out that the Democrats were fuck boi racists piece of shit way back then and all the way to the 70's but that all changed in the 70's thanks to the Southern Strategy you should read up about Nixon since Trump is doing a speed run on Nixon's impeachment.

Now you and conservative republicans harbor the racist fuckbois. I know my history. You don't seem too. See Democrats learned from their mistakes, you and Republicans double down on stupidity.

Holy shit guy you're hilarious! Yes, you are the man! You single-handidly destroyed Shi$$ary, twice! I mean, everybody remembera the great tip-gate, right? Im gonna follow you just out of pure amatement, that a creature like you exists. (not your subreddits, noone gives a fuck)

Is this what happens when an unsuccesful dumb guy wants to pretend he's important?

I also remember when Obama stopped using the word "enemy combatant" and we thought we had a peacemaker, but as you know since youre totally not a fanboy yourself, he simply changed the wording, but business continued as usual with arguably more diabolical means.

Iraq, Libya, and then almost Syria fell to this bipartisan attempt to Balkanize the Levant and Middle East, and people like you seriously think people's problem with Obama was that "he looked cool" or that "those racist white people just had it out for him." What a cartoon-vision of the world to hold.

Obama used less strikes and killed less people than Bush

Trump is already on track to kill way more than Obama

I didn't like it under Obama, I was outspoken. I like it a lot less when it happens even more

You sure about that first stat?

And, while definitely true about Trump, the stat alone is misleading. Do we count all the deaths caused by "moderate rebels" that we trained and armed in those numbers?

Are we going to count the fact that our military is now trying to support Assad and stabilize the region instead of deposing "the evil Middle East dictator?"

I'll never be able to convince partisans to consider the nuances in our current situation, because they don't care and won't care.

The reason you'll never be able to convince anyone is because they're in their own media bubble and you're probably the first source they hear any of this from, but your condescending tone is just so off-putting that you're easy to ignore.

Feel free.

Ok!

Edit- don't know how though from my phone. A little help?

How is the number of bombs dropped relevant? Why don't you look up how many civilians died under both administrations?

Because CONFIRMATION BIAS! The most powerful secret weapon in r/conspiracy!

Why don't you look at the situation in its entirety?

Obama armed moderate rebels and took a "hands off" approach deposing Assad.

Mattis is trying to remove ISIS from their major strongholds in Iraq and Syria.

Nuance like yours won't cut the mustard.

Trump admin just said their goals in Syria including deposing Assad.

Are we going to count the fact that our military is now trying to support Assad and stabilize the region instead of deposing "the evil Middle East dictator?"

Turkey is poised to invade Syria pretty much as a direct result of American intervention. Since Trump took office he all but destroyed our tenuous links with Pakistan and Turkey.

Pretty soon our only allies will be Israel and SA, and who knows what the future holds for SA.

killing is killing whether its done for duty, profit or fun.

Yes and less killing is less killing than more killing.

I criticize him for sending a gunship to attack doctors without borders, bud.

The libs have invaded r/conspiracy again. Great. Shouldn't the mods be on top of removing shit posts like this that do nothing but complain?

Do you have any counterpoints or are you just hear to complain about liberals?

What is the conspiracy exactly? This shit is all over CNN and NBC. There is also well-documented shilling/brigading of this opinion all over reddit. Now that it is in r/conspiracy, a true theorist can only assume something else is being drowned out... hmmm...

posts like this that do nothing but complain?

I don't know how anyone could disagree with that characterization, regardless of their political leanings or personal feelings about Trump. The post is just whining about people who believe in the White Hat counter-coup conspiracy theory involving Trump. Okay, so maybe OP thinks that theory is stupid, maybe a lot of people do, but how in the hell is it worthwhile to make weekly self posts to express disdain for people who are interested in the theory? Oh right, because the post is actually just traditional politicking masquerading as organic conspiracy chatter, trying to chip away at the morale of his supporters.

Here you go OP, this quote's right up your alley:

"The problem is that his base — those who, despite everything, still think he’s great, a genius, and doing a good job — are almost by definition also Dunning-Kruger dunces. To support Trump now, with anything other than embarrassed reluctance, you have to be ignoring or disputing such an avalanche of facts, criticism, and dissent that belief in Trump is more like the blind faith of a religion than a considered opinion."

sour grapes is unbecoming

if you can't learn how to lose like a sportsman, maybe you shouldn't play the game

Pssst, I'm a Dunning-Kruger dunce.

to thine own self be true

I like that we're not balkanizing Syria anymore. Fuck me, right?

We are though. The Trump Admin is attempting to help Kurds secede from Syria to gain a permanent foothold in the Levant

Are there still idiots who think Trump is pro-Assad? He's an AIPAC stooge like how Bush was a PNAC stooge

Got any sources on Trump arming Kurds? I was under the impression he was doing the opposite.

Again, this stuff literally takes two seconds to search. But you'll probably just dismiss this too, because cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug

It seriously is, because that article isn't about what you think it is. You should employ less snark and up your reading comprehension skills.

You asked for evidence that the Trump administration is arming the Kurds. I just gave you two well-sourced articles describing a Trump administration plan to arm and train 30,000 Kurdish forces to patrol Syria's borders and Turkey's outrage about Trump going back on that one-off statement he made back in November. You know, the statement that is your sole piece of evidence for your assertion that Trump isn't arming the Kurds any more. So explain to me how those articles aren't about what I think they're about.

Ouch, /u/pm_me_bread_you_made are you a shill or just too ashamed of your brainwashing to reply?

I mean, it's very clear what the reply would be, and none of them would be very helpful. After reading my comment, he would (in descending order of probability):

1. Dismiss it entirely off-hand as not worth his time or the energy required to respond. (Looks like this is what happened in actuality. Crazy how that happens.)
2. Write off my comment as simply lib propaganda. (This could be combined with a dismissal of both al-Jazeera and the LA Times as biased.)
3. Just admit to himself that he doesn't actually care about what happens to Syrians or the Kurds, and try to reaffirm himself that the Trump administration's other policies are far more important and beneficial to him than any lies or betrayal related to Syria.
4. Flip his position entirely and say that Trump must have re-evaluated the situation, and since he has more information now, arming the Kurds must be right!
5. Actually examine his own beliefs, admit that he had the wrong impression of Trump's policy, and renounce Trump for continuing the balkanization of Syria.

My point is: the majority of the people on Reddit who are willing to go out of their way to make outlandish, half-remembered comments on Trump administration policy are usually in too deep to own up to their mistakes. These people absolutely litter this subreddit. The most we can hope for is to shut down the cylce of radicalization. We can show anyone who happens upon these comments and is at risk of being radicalized (typically young men who think that logic is the only way of examining the world) that joining the Trump-cult involves giving up those things that they value most (logic, independence of thought, any semblance of connection between reality and political beliefs). It doesn't matter if those like /u/pm_me_bread_you_made actually change their ways. As long as we call out users like that on their complete and utter bullshit, we can break the cycle. They'll end up stuck alone in their sad little ideological bubble, while the rest of us will be free to actually think rationally, examine evidence, and make ideological decisions independent of false idols.

Put down the adderall, champ.

You're a sheep.

You didn't read either article, and not that it would help because the situation is more nuanced than you people try to make it out to be.

Interesting. Would you, possible shill that you are answer a hypothetical question for me?

Class action law suits against banks are now much more difficult to bring to court. If a bank screws over a poor person, their ability to get their money back is now impeded. If I didn't say which side did this, would you say that screwing over the poor to help the rich is a good or bad thing?

You gave me one source that simply said the US coalition was going to create a security force in northern Syria. And yes, Kurds will be among them because thats where they live.

You, you are filled to the brim with cognitive dissonance. I'm more concerned with the people that just upvoted you blindly.

/r/syriancivilwar

use the search bar.

It's actually better for both the readers of this thread as well as your argument if you post your source.

Unless you don't actually care about this topic and you're being derisive. In which case, have a pleasant evening.

I'm on mobile atm. I'm not your baby sitter

It helps other people understand your point.

But I suspect you're just copping out like a bitch.

Trump decided to arm the Kurds "to retake Raqqa". In October, Raqqa was taken from ISIS. In November, Trump said that the US will stop providing weapons to the Kurds. It is not clear to me whether or not this has actually yet stopped.

Therefore, it is false to claim that Trump did not arm the Kurds - he clearly did from May 2017 (till at least November 2017 and possibility continues to do so).

Why aren't you answering to these articles. Or are you somehow gonna deny this to.

Trump decided to arm the Kurds "to retake Raqqa". In October, Raqqa was taken from ISIS. In November, Trump said that the US will stop providing weapons to the Kurds. It is not clear to me whether or not this has actually yet stopped.

Therefore, it is false to claim that Trump did not arm the Kurds - he clearly did from May 2017 (till at least November 2017 and possibility continues to do so).

Thank you for the only reasonable response. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Turkey is on the brink of invading Syria right now, and the US support of the Kurds is a gigantic reason for it. The operation could begin any minute, with some Twitter users saying it already has.

Obama fucked us up in Syria big time. Trump came in for the coup-de-grace.

Replace "Trump" with "Hillary" and you see both sides acting the same.

How? How are there so many comments about Clinton in this thread? She’s irrelevant. Get over it. Clinton being a shithead doesn’t make trump immune from being a shithead in his own right. What is it with trump supporters that think if there’s someone else corrupt in the world then that means trump can do whatever he wants? I just don’t get the level of partisan in here. It’s frightening

What is it with trump supporters that think if there’s someone else corrupt in the world then that means trump can do whatever he wants?

Because are were 2 options. They're always shit. How is bringing up 'we still went with the less shitter option' not continuously relevant?

Are you faking serious? So you think trump can be a gigantic conman piece of shit and saying “wahhh but I didn’t like Clinton either” absolves him of anything? That’s the weakest bullshit I’ve ever heard. He’s POTUS. Every POTUS should be held accountable and held to the highest of standards. It’s literally irrelevant how bad anyone else is or was. wow. I wasn’t expecting that as the response. Mind blowing really.

It derails the conversation. Facts are the enemy.

Given the choice between Trump and Hillary, I would support Trump again. The daily media meltdown has only served to validate that choice.

LOL. Not to mention the election night videos. They are still glorious to watch.

I'll never tire of watching weeping Democrats.

Good, good. Let the hate flow through you.

It's perfectly healthy to hate half the country for holding different political views from you; after all, what else would you do when your a closed-minded bigot that was trained from birth to act against their own interests on behalf of multimillionaires.

You're a fucking child. This shit isn't a game.

Please... start crying... I need a good laugh.

You are right. It is not a game. We dodged a bullet with Hillary. We would really be screwed if she had won.

yeah because affordable healthcare would of screwed us over.

Like what Obama gave us? Nothing is going to change for us until we do something about the bankers that have been stealing our tax money. If the Federal Income tax was used to benefit the American people, then we could have healthcare and a much better education system. We could also fix the infrastructure, and have money left over.

You mean the Jews right?

I think they are not Jews.

I think Trump has done nothing to stop bankers so far. He needs to go after the Federal Reserve. There was a bill in Congress to audit the Fed, but I am not sure of its current status.

Like what Obama gave us? Nothing is going to change for us until we do something about the bankers that have been stealing our tax money. If the Federal Income tax was used to benefit the American people, then we could have healthcare and a much better education system. We could also fix the infrastructure, and have money left over.

You seem like the kind of guy that would let someone shit in your mouth if that meant a Democrat had to smell it.

And the rest of the world is having a whale of a time watching you Yanks basically have a 'civil-cold-war' whilst at claiming to have the same goals of improving your society.

Instead of it being:

"we both want whats best for our country, how can we work together"

it's:

"what you want isn't what i want, therefore 'snowflakes', and 'librul tears', 'cuck' this, and 'pede' that".

Rather than working together to actually benefit your nation, you seem to prefer attacking each other, which is pretty much the opposite of 'making america great again'.

At this point, we need an all out civil war. And guess which side has more guns? >:)

When are Trump Clinton, Bush, Regan supporters (and the supporters of every other president in the history of the United States) going to realize that they have been duped by a conman?

Fix that for you.

most Reagan supporters don't know that RR was the president of his actors union.

Whataboutism isn't helping.

Thinking Trump is any more of the problem than the system and the corporate structure isn't either.

Then say that instead of excluding Trump from your list of shitty politicos. He isn't less of a problem than the others. I'm with you.

Fair enough. I didn't mean to exclude Trump. He's by no means excluded. Thanks for the correction.

What I meant to say is that he's no more of the problem than pretty much every other president before him that's ever been in office.

The system is corrupt.

Why do you suppose everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump?

Why do you suppose I'm supposing everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump?

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?

Why do you suppose I'm supposing everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump? Where did I say anything that even implies that I think "everyone is against Trump"?

That's not to say that he doesn't have some people against him. Of course he does. He has many against him. All you have to do is look in this sub and in the MSM in general to understand that much. Matter of fact, even though I literally do not care about Trump one way or the other, I can honestly, legitimately, and quite objectively say that I have never ever in the history of this country seen a president as maligned and constantly, openly marginalized and made fun of and ridiculed as I see Trump being around almost every corner. I was just thinking the other day that if this were Russia or China or some other communist-like country and the president were being as openly vilified as Trump's been, motherfuckers' heads would seriously be rolling. People would likely be getting hung and shot left and right for as much flak as he's been getting.

However, I - again - am not thinking, nor did I say or imply, that "everyone in the system is against Trump".

EDIT:

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Wait a minute. I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt here and ask the following question: Did I just misinterpret the sentence you asked? Maybe I did. If you weren’t assuming that I thought everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump and you were instead simply asking a legitimate question, then I will say that even though I (again) don’t “suppose everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump”, I will say that one reason I think he’s gotten so much utter vilification from the system up to this point might be because A) there was/is a very powerful DNC machine that was pushing hard for Clinton to get in, and they’ve pushed a lot of ill-will toward Trump. Also, B) there are a LOT of citizens in the 99% that unfortunately unthinkingly swallowed up “Go Hillary!” propaganda that the DNC and the MSM threw out en mass and many of them have now teamed up to further vilify Trump now that he got in and Clinton didn’t. I'm not defending Trump here, btw. Again, I don't gaf about him. I'm just being objective and saying that this seems to be what the case might actually in part be.

So yeah. I’d say these could be some reasons if you were asking the question legitimately and not assuming that I was assuming that “everyone in the corrupt system is against Trump”. I certainly don’t want you or anyone to think that I’m thinking that Trump is somehow some poor whipping boy that is undeservedly getting bullied by an “oh so corrupt system”, because I'm not thinking or feeling that. What I feel is quite a bit more nuanced than that. The system, of course, is very much corrupt. However, Trump is no less corrupt than every other politician. They’re all corrupt. However, it personally seems to me that he most definitely has been a lot more vilified and marginalized than pretty much any other president I've ever seen.

You're using that term incorrectly.

As a logical fallacy "whataboutism" is calling a the defense of a position hypocritical by attempting to create a false equivalency between it and another markedly difference position.

All presidential candidates make promises they can't keep to get elected, therefore Trump, Obama, Bill Clinton, GWB and all the rest are equivalent in that sense just as /u/no1113 said.

An actual example of "whataboutism" would be something like this:

Redditor A: "Trump is such an asshole! He had an affair with a porn star while his wife was pregnant!"

Redditor B: "Oh yeah? What about Hillary Clinton? She spearheaded the disastrous invasion of Libya and laughed about Gaddafi's lynching!"

See the difference? On the one hand Trump is a callous adulterer, while on the other Hillary is a warmongering psychopath. The situations are totally not equivalent, so therefore Redditor B is engaging in "whataboutism."

Buttery males! Buttery males!

No idea what that means, but okay.

Curious user history. Where'd you go for almost a year, then again for 35 days?

"alt" squatting

https://twitter.com/search?f=users&vertical=news&q=alt&src=typd

Whats the story there? Just twitter search results for the term 'alt'?

Seems like someone somehow recently inherited OP's username

That's not how cult of personalities operate. If he changes all of his positions simultaneously, they will go with him like a school of fish. It's not about the objectives, the positions, the goals of the administration. It's about the man they believe to be supernatural and heaven sent.

Do you mean "that's how cult of personalities operate"

I think _JukeEllington meant to say that to "realize that they have been duped by a conman" is not how people in a cult of personality behave.

It's about the man they believe to be supernatural and heaven sent.

There's like two people who believe that. This kind of straw man bullshit is why your impotent whining has little to no effect on Trump supporters. You have nothing. Your statements are based on the mainstream narrative around Trump which has already been well and truly dismissed by Trump supporters.

In other words: You need to try harder. You can't just cry and copy/paste the same old nonsense we've heard a million times. Well, you can, and you'll get a lot of love on Reddit just for being anti-Trump, but again: it has no real effect on people who aren't already on "your team."

BTW, please point me to where you commented on Obama having a "cult of personality" around him, and how people believed him to be a magical being, and still to this day can find no wrong in anything he did. Oh, sorry, that wasn't part of the mainstream narrative that you're copy/pasting for us here. Please continue. :-)

What would you suggest then?

What would you suggest then?

I'm not going to make a long list of suggestions here. First of all, I already get downvoted to hell every time I don't go along with the anti-Trump bullshit here, with no counter-arguments from the downvoters of course.

The main suggestion: just be reasonable. Think of some things you like about Trump. If you can't think of anything, you're not a reasonable person and your opinions will be dismissed, so you may as well not even bother.

Then, think of all the shady bullshit that every president in history has done. You will have to do your own research on this for the most recent ex-president, obviously, because the media is certainly not going to tell you about what he did. All of this talk about "Trump's cult of personality" is hilarious to anyone who was paying attention during Obama's rise to stardom.

Like Obama

At this point I can only marvel that there exists anyone who opposes President Trump. He has completely revitalized the economy and pulled millions out of poverty. Added trillions giant to the stock market. Record low black and Hispanic unemployment. Isis nearly extinguished. Big tax cut. Illegal immigration plummeting.

Really, what else do you people care about?

can you show me which of trump's policies that were implemented in 2017 pulled millions out of poverty?

He started saying Merry Christmas again.

Sure,

Presidential Executive Order on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens

http://archive.is/X2Tif

Getting rid of regulations that restrict coal miners - create more mining jobs - opened new coal mine

http://archive.is/2XiJJ

Trump has signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, giving Americans $1.5 trillion in tax cuts and slashing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% - 91% of middle-class Americans will receive a tax cut

http://archive.is/b5z7T

Over 100 companies giving 'Trump Bonuses' after tax victory

http://archive.is/cFCq5

Walmart will raise its starting wage rate for hourly employees in the U.S. to $11, expand maternity & parental leave benefits, and provide a one-time cash bonus for eligible employees of as much as $1,000 due to tax reform

http://archive.is/HLJN9

Boeing will invest $300 million in the American economy, AT&T will invest $1 billion, and Comcast will invest over $50 billion in response to tax cuts

https://imgur.com/a/ZrWek

Buy American, Hire American executive order - restrict guest worker visas and require more agencies to buy more goods and services from American companies and workers 

http://archive.is/SPmkc

Going through with building the Keystone and Dakota Pipelines - expanding energy infrastructure and creating 1000s of jobs

http://archive.is/1L6ys

Signed an executive order that requires all federal agencies to create task forces to look at and determine which regulations hurt the economy - cut red tape

http://archive.is/EmzX7

Pulled out of TPP

http://archive.is/8jHzK

Xi Jinping, Donald Trump oversee signing of US$253 billion in trade deals

http://archive.is/LFKEU

Increased tariffs on Canadian lumber by 20% (worth $1 billion)

http://archive.is/kIOXE

Resuming trading natural gas and beef with China 

http://archive.is/9CEPP

Trading coal and rice to China

http://archive.is/nVbVb

Negotiated new sugar deal with Mexico 

http://archive.is/sPLUi

US pork exports going back to Argentina for the first time since 1992

http://archive.is/P43dU

Trading energy with new countries in Europe (Poland, Lithuania) - end their reliance on Russian energy 

http://archive.is/9L9mH, http://archive.is/fpEyU

So far, 16 regulations have been cut for every 1 added - 800 Obama regulations cut (saved $200+ billion)

http://archive.is/b4sMl

Here's a source with all of these and more:

https://pastebin.com/BcSAGmDf

Wow, what an informed answer! That should warrant some downvotes.

...waiting for the challenger /u/Tonisha420 to come back and eat the pile of shit they put on the table.

Sorry! it was dinnertime.

I haven't been able to scour most of these links yet but I appreciate you compiling and sharing this information. I questioned the line 'lifting millions out of poverty' because I don't see any evidence for this - especially since most of these policy changes don't take effect immediately and often are 6-12 months out minimum.

These links help me understand some of Trump's economic policies that rarely get exposure; however, I'm not sure the linkage between these policies and the current market improvements is really there.

Here's how I see the links that were provided:

Presidential Executive Order on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens : This is just the issuing of a report to be done, no policy changes made.

Getting rid of regulations that restrict coal miners - create more mining jobs - opened new coal mine : In effect today, coal miners total about 50,000 in the US

Trump has signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act : Went into effect 17 days ago, yet details on how it affects businesses and workers is still being worked out by the IRS in terms of tax payments.

Over 100 companies giving 'Trump Bonuses' after tax victory, Walmart, Boeing : Not a government policy issued by Trump

Buy American, Hire American executive order : Again, just the issuing of a report - these assessments were due in Sept 2017 and results of this haven't been reported on in terms of procurement changes.

Keystone and Dakota Pipelines : These are in effect, despite the release of over 210,000 gallons of crude this past November. But 170 people were there cleaning it up!

executive order that requires all federal agencies to create task forces to look at and determine which regulations hurt the economy - cut red tape : Another report-based policies, there is no word on what these task forces are doing to change the regulatory framework.

TPP : this was a smart move, but even if TPP were moving forward, there's no way that it would have been implemented in 2017

Xi Jinping, Donald Trump oversee signing of US$253 billion in trade deals : Sounds great, can't wait to hear about a progress report as these things are moving along, but I don't know how much we can attribute 2017 growth to this. These were signed in Nov 2017 and most of the deals are tentative and Memoranda of Understanding - basically non-binding.

Increased tariffs on Canadian lumber by 20% : This is still in dispute with the ITC and some economists predict it could drastically reduce supply in the US in the short-term and the home building/construction industry could be impacted especially in NY/CA.

*Resuming trading natural gas and beef with China * : Not implemented yet, and also Imported Cooked Chicken products from China - yum! /s

Trading coal and rice to China : Contingent upon inspection procedure approvals, not implemented yet.

Negotiated new sugar deal with Mexico : This is currently being worked into effect, however industry experts in many articles discuss risks for Food Manufacturing and Candy Industry in US in terms of job losses due to higher costs of sugar. Economic impacts are non-existent as of today.

US pork exports going back to Argentina for the first time since 1992 : Not implemented yet. Also, this is just a $10M market.

Trading energy with new countries in Europe : this is great news, but this is not a Trump or Government policy.

So far, 16 regulations have been cut for every 1 added - 800 Obama regulations cut (saved $200+ billion) : OK, let's get real with this one, they are reviewing many of these regulations, there have only been a handful of ones that are rescinded.

So, I didn't want to go through each one by one but it felt like I needed to, because I hear everyday that Trump's economics policies improved the economy in the US in 2017, but again, I am still not seeing direct proof. I really appreciate all of the links that were provided, but the evidence seems to show that a lot of policies are TBD in terms of a go-live date, and we cannot attribute much of this economic growth today to future TBD regulations or deregulations.

I get especially triggered with the claim of Trump "lifting millions out of poverty" because there are many places in the US that really need that - but again, proof of that happening is coming up dry.

Coal industry employs very few people overall. A few businesses giving employees a few hundred dollars one time is not in any way "lifting them out of poverty." You basically just list a bunch of protectionist policies and assume they're actually going to help the average person, which as of now, has not been proven or even suggested.

Here's how I see the links that were provided (sorry for reposting, wanted to make sure I replied to the right message) :

Presidential Executive Order on Identifying and Reducing Tax Regulatory Burdens : This is just the issuing of a report to be done, no policy changes made.

Getting rid of regulations that restrict coal miners - create more mining jobs - opened new coal mine : In effect today, coal miners total about 50,000 in the US

Trump has signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act : Went into effect 17 days ago, yet details on how it affects businesses and workers is still being worked out by the IRS in terms of tax payments.

Over 100 companies giving 'Trump Bonuses' after tax victory, Walmart, Boeing : Not a government policy issued by Trump

Buy American, Hire American executive order : Again, just the issuing of a report - these assessments were due in Sept 2017 and results of this haven't been reported on in terms of procurement changes.

Keystone and Dakota Pipelines : These are in effect, despite the release of over 210,000 gallons of crude this past November. But 170 people were there cleaning it up!

executive order that requires all federal agencies to create task forces to look at and determine which regulations hurt the economy - cut red tape : Another report-based policies, there is no word on what these task forces are doing to change the regulatory framework.

TPP : this was a smart move, but even if TPP were moving forward, there's no way that it would have been implemented in 2017

Xi Jinping, Donald Trump oversee signing of US$253 billion in trade deals : Sounds great, can't wait to hear about a progress report as these things are moving along, but I don't know how much we can attribute 2017 growth to this. These were signed in Nov 2017 and most of the deals are tentative and Memoranda of Understanding - basically non-binding.

Increased tariffs on Canadian lumber by 20% : This is still in dispute with the ITC and some economists predict it could drastically reduce supply in the US in the short-term and the home building/construction industry could be impacted especially in NY/CA.

*Resuming trading natural gas and beef with China * : Not implemented yet, and also Imported Cooked Chicken products from China - yum! /s

Trading coal and rice to China : Contingent upon inspection procedure approvals, not implemented yet.

Negotiated new sugar deal with Mexico : This is currently being worked into effect, however industry experts in many articles discuss risks for Food Manufacturing and Candy Industry in US in terms of job losses due to higher costs of sugar. Economic impacts are non-existent as of today.

US pork exports going back to Argentina for the first time since 1992 : Not implemented yet. Also, this is just a $10M market.

Trading energy with new countries in Europe : this is great news, but this is not a Trump or Government policy.

So far, 16 regulations have been cut for every 1 added - 800 Obama regulations cut (saved $200+ billion) : OK, let's get real with this one, they are reviewing many of these regulations, there have only been a handful of ones that are rescinded.

So, I didn't want to go through each one by one but it felt like I needed to, because I hear everyday that Trump's economics policies improved the economy in the US in 2017, but again, I am still not seeing direct proof. I really appreciate all of the links that were provided, but the evidence seems to show that a lot of policies are TBD in terms of a go-live date, and we cannot attribute much of this economic growth today to future TBD regulations or deregulations.

I get especially triggered with the claim of Trump "lifting millions out of poverty" because there are many places in the US that really need that - but again, proof of that happening is coming up dry.

Damn. Wish I weren't on mobile. Every single thing you listed can be easily refuted woth google.

The underemployment rate is shit, he is about to start new wars, he is continuing the war on drugs and encryption, and is ethics are questionable.

Does the Russia investigation not bother you?

How about wasting money on a retarded wall, splitting up families that are not harmful to anyone, acting like a buffoon on Twitter, spewing rhetoric about the dangers of marijuana and threatening to go after legal states, denouncing peaceful protest while failing to denounce literal Nazis...? Nothing there makes you think someone might not like him?

Meh, someone is getting their shit pushed in from all these investigations. I don't really like anyone, so I'll just keep my popcorn maker warm for the upcoming festivities.

But I'm pretty sure the Clinton Foundation has been being investigated for at least 3 years. It is going to be spectacular when it gets taken down. Anything else beyond that are just enhancements.

Keep waiting.

Why ask questions and then downvote truthful answers ?

Because they're shills. And they wonder why we don't respect their retarded, shill opinions, formed entirely by blindly following the same MSM globalists we've always been against.

"Why won't you suck the globalist dick!? MSM says it's cool now, so you have to. I'll just ignore the fact that you've always been against the globalist MSM hurr durr" - /u/no_woman_no_fry

Well, now that an obvious shill said it, we simply MUST toe the globalist line and suck down anything the NWO shills say /s

Pack it up boys, a shill for the MSM and globalism said we should hate Trump, so let's just get rid of the Constitution now and instate the TPP and all become serfs, because we totally weren't already against that or anything /s

Yes, everyone that disagrees with you is a shill. There are literally 62 million people on a the sooper seekret shill payroll.

Yes, everyone that disagrees with you is a shill.

No moron, despite your retarded strawman, I never actually said that.

I said that people pushing the same globalist shilling we've always been against are shills. So hard to understand, isn't it /s

I see you still have no actual argument why we should suddenly be in love with globalists and the MSM we've always hated. Good job /s

You single-digit-IQ ShareBlue morons don't seem to grasp the fact that pointing out how the MSM is screaming incoherently at us to believe them isn't actually a good reason to believe them. Of course, being a brainwashed fucktard inbred, I doubt you can fathom that people who have been against globalists for decades aren't going to suddenly change their mind because a globalist propaganda shill says we should.

Font.

No moron, despite your retarded strawman, I never actually said that.

"Because they're shills. And they wonder why we don't respect their retarded, shill opinions, formed entirely by blindly following the same MSM globalists we've always been against."

I see you still have no actual argument why we should suddenly be in love with globalists and the MSM we've always hated. Good job

Not sure what you mean. I also didn't argue about people putting ketchup on steak. Meaning, it wasn't addressed.

You single-digit-IQ ShareBlue morons

The 62 million I mentioned are Trump votes. Not sure where your getting ShareBlue from.

I doubt you can fathom that people who have been against globalists for decades aren't going to suddenly change their mind because a globalist propaganda shill says we should.

Who exactly are you talking to?

being a brainwashed fucktard inbred,

I think you should re-read your post and ask yourself some questions.
Will this make people respect my opinion?
Could someone construe this as the ramblings of a stark raving lunatic?
Is prolonged drug use bad?

hey OP /u/no_woman_no_fry

did you see what Trump did yesterday?

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7qrfnw/tuesday_trump_to_meet_with_the_president_of/

i wonder why /u/no_woman_no_fry doesn't want to talk here

/u/no_woman_no_fry isn't a regular either

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=author%3Ano_woman_no_fry&restrict_sr=on

how does he get away with shit posting?

Link to a great thread, but downvoted 😶

He has no clue what he is doing. Even as a CEO, he would just hire people to do all the actual work and then just take all the credit if he did a good job or just blame the people he hired if they did a bad job.

He was a successful executive. Being president is a difficult job, whether or not someone is a bad guy or good guy.

It’s almost like it should be a job for someone who’s been working in politics for a while or something.

Ya we need another slick talking puppet in there

Hey no ones called me a slick talker before! I kinda like it. :D

So he is an idiot worth Billions who won the presidency?

Multi-millions, not billions. He's not a billionaire, not until he releases the receipts

They'll need to be affected personally by his decisions. The average person isn't aware of the LARP, globalism, or the Podestas and a lot of the things you mentioned. There are single issue voters that make up a large portion of his base who always vote Republican. I guess they'd need to lose their government subsidies like insurance or food stamps before they realize the system is set up against them. A surprising number of first time voters turned out and are probably ignorant to the Republican party and the possible reprocussions. They just voted for Trump. Also, first time Republican voters who switched parties bc of the drain the swamp agenda. Lots of variables outside of the online community of supporters.

Ignorance plays a huge role in why these things are about to happen.

Economy is doing great, jobs are coming back, illegal immigration is down. If Trump gets rid of DACA then his entire presidency will be worth it. Just wait till Trump builds the wall, that'll save billions from always having to deport illegals crossing the border. Trump isn't perfect but at least he's not completely controlled like Obama and Bush.

Crazy thing about walls. They can be used for more than just keeping people out.

A wall at the southern border is going to keep us locked in? You do realize the wall won't be at the northern border near Canada? Keeping us in would require a wall around the entire country, which doesn't need to happen since most illegal immigration is at the mexico border with the U.S.

What a ridiculous post.

LOL, people still believe in the wall?

https://www.10news.com/news/homeland-security-secretary-kirstjen-nielsen-tours-border-wall-prototypes-in-san-diego

I think you've missed the point.

Even if they build a wall, it will accomplish nothing. We invented things like ladders and shovels a few years back.

That's true, we should just drone the illegals instead.

Because bombing our neighbors is such a great idea, i wish our government would bomb the neonazi rallies instead, not like anyone would miss them.

Realistically, how many neo nazis are in the US?

too many

Removed. Advocating violence.

Just because you don't believe in wall doesn't mean the wall ddoesnt believe in you, loltard!

the alternative was the zombie HRC.

When are trump haters going to realize that they are on the same side as George Soros

When are you going to realize you're on the same side as neo-Nazis?

63,000,000 Neo-Nazis right? Sure.

Nice strawman. See anywhere in that one sentence where anyone say 63 million? Let me go ahead and answer. No you don't. Didn't stop you from making your idiotic statement though.

When someone other than the same globalist shills we've always been against start saying it and actually have some proof.

Fuck off with your ShareBlue shill garbage. You retards think that the MSM says something and we all have to agree, sorry, NOPE.

How do you tell the difference between a Trump supporter and someone who is anti-NWO?

When are Americans going to realize that the US political system is completely fucked?

Trump is perfect. The news talks about stupid shit while real stuff is ignored. It'd be no different than if Clinton was in office. They're both tools for the upper class.

You know for a fact it's all a bs? No.. and why do you care so much?? I think it's HILARIOUS that you or anybody else with an"opinion" think you know what you're talking about. When in actuality you don't know anything.. Let's be real! just another person reading up on the news and making assumptions like they're facts.. You don't know point blank

Probably around the same time Clinton supporters realize she is just as scummy as the rest of D.C.

Pretty sure you people have achieved your goal of ruining this place.

Just looks like anti trump spam in the comments. Pretty played out. Nice conspiracy....

Technically never for some. There's a rule in the universe that the more people hate a certain thing there is a group of people that will react with the opposite. Yin and yang.

True.

Trump has signed our internet privacy rights away so internet service providers can sell our data and what we search online. He appointed the FCC chair and gutted Net Neutrality. He has gutted the EPA—which was created by a Republican president—and has gutted regulations on pollution and has denied climate change so there goes the environment. His AG is cracking down on state marijuana legalization. The stock market isn't at record numbers because the masses are benefitting—the stock market is booming because the rich sensed blood in the water and are chomping at Trump's (potential) tax cuts and deregulation of Wall Street. You know, because cutting up the financial regulations and regulations of Wall Street that were put in place to stop another 2008 Great Recession is obviously a grand idea.The stock market is a giant gambling table for the rich, not for you and I. He's creating policy to make it even easier to use nuclear weapons and is practically begging to use nukes on North Korea and invade and supporters cheer him on like sycophants even though he was the same man who said Bush lied us into Iraq and that we are done with invading countries and foreign wars.....riiight. He reauthorized the government mass spying program. $200 billion Saudi arms deal. Blind allegiance and sucking up to Israel. I know I'm forgetting a lot.....

What did our parents teach us all as kids? Actions speak louder than words. Look at his actions and not all the hot air about Q and SECRET indictments and "Clintons being locked up any day now!" and the same old tired BS to blind and keep you supporting someone who is fucking you in the ass. Be SMARTER than that.

If Obama did half the stuff Trump's done in his first year all hell would have broken loose and I'm no fan of Obama. The same exact things Trump criticized Obama on he has doubled down on or even has surpassed......how's that golf wing?

What is ONE tangible, real thing he has done the last year for the average person? ONE? And don't mention some BS tax breaks. The forgotten man and woman my ass.

North Korea and invade and supporters cheer him on like sycophants even though he was the same man who said Bush lied us into Iraq

Are you saying we're being lied to about North Korea?

Since when has NK been a good guy in any of this? I just don't get it, they are truly a shithole nation ran by a shithole psychopath.

You want nuclear war? Another invasion and quagmire? We don't like Kim and the idea of him having nukes? Okay, and? So are you willing to trade nuclear war and American cities in ashes and millions dead and trillions in $ spent and another quagmire like Iraq and also possibly setoff WW3 because you want to stop Kim from having them? This isn't a game. It's a trade—you break it, you buy it. You own it.

What year is it again? You still afraid of them ruskies too?

Username checks out.

You don't think nuclear war is possible?

Someone can launch a nuke but there will be no nuclear war on our side, we have superior air defense. No one could get us with a nuke. The US govt' doesn't make it publicly known that they can stop ICBMs so they can keep you afraid of the ruskies, koreans, and chinese and keep you controlled.

Now go bow to you Sheppard little sheep.

Wow. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling.

No matter what advanced ways we come up with to shoot a missile out of the sky the reality is that shooting an object moving at mach 6 is really fucking hard and relies on more than a little luck

To say that no missile could hit the US is nonsense. If there were 10 ICBMs coming at us in all likelihood at least one would hit

Good points, as you said... action speaks louder then words. He says one thing then does another. I get confused by all the support myself... sure, the executive order for the indictments was a good thing, but most of his other policies so far don't seem very favorable for the general public. People seem to keep praising him tho for stuff that Q been talking about as if he is the leader in this justice effort. I dunno if Q is legit or not, so far seems possible, but I would think that its separate group doing all this and trump is still just a figurehead regardless of whose side he is on.

It makes it a lot harder for me to try and share info bout all this lowkey stuff goin on with my friends too, since if I show a video and they are praising trump it will immediate turn them off or make em think its biased/bullcrap.

Ajit Pai was appointed to the commission by President Barack Obama in May 2012

its mandatory to have to have a split party seats in that committee Obama had to nominate two Republicans and 2 Democrats but the chair is who is most important and Obama oppointed a different Democratic Chair head who supported NN.

He appointed the FCC chair and gutted Net Neutrality.

Yeah, that statement I wrote is factual. Try again. Hint: chair.

It's a relevant detail you purposely omitted, that's all I'm saying.

Your political bias is showing and it's laughable. I make a true and factual statement that you can't refute but I'm suddenly playing politics.lol

Who appointed Pai chair? Trump. Are there other people on the same board who are pro Net Neutrality? Yes. Could Trump have appointed one of them instead? Yes. Did Obama support Net Neutrality? Yes. Did Obama appoint Pai to be Chair? No.

Anything else?

Not sure why you're so hostile. I'm not biased one way or the other, I'm not American.

Your bias however is quite strong.

My goal wasn't to refute anything, I just wanted to point out something that was omitted to further your narrative.

Your points are valid, but when you intentionally leave out little tidbits of information to make your position stronger it detracts from your overall message.

You can troll better than this. Sad.

I mean, alright.

It isn't even remotely relevant.

The FCC board has 5 members. The President appoints 3 from his own party, and then 2 from the opposing party. In this case, Obama selected his Democrat members, and Ajit Pai was recommended by Mitch McConnell and appointed by Obama.

Appointing him to the board of the FCC is not relevant. What is relevant is who appointed him to the position he is in.

It's 100% relevant in the sense that a former Verizon Lawyer was appointed to the FCC board to begin with, how can you not see that?

The only reason he was appointed to chair is because he wrote Trump a letter that was critical of Wheeler's regulation, and Trump was in agreement.

It is a pretty reasonable thing to include opposing views on a board, and in government, it's common. What is also common is that the President will pick his FCC chair appointment based on what he wants to happen, not based on who was on the board.

Trump picked Pai because Trump wanted Pai's agenda in the FCC. Not because Obama put him on the board during his administration.

What is the conspiracy? That people are partisan?

this thread got bomb dived by partisan fucks. Literally 0 discussion or conspiracy.

Happens all the time when information comes out.

When are Never Trumpers going to wake up and smell reality? Nobody cares that he said 'pussy'. Americans prefer money and freedom to liberalism.

Unless you maybe have Rand for a senator, or Massie for a rep you are conned. This is not news. They are all conpeople.

So how were we duped OP?

Op you can’t be very bright with a stupid observation like that lol

salty!

7 more years, it's gonna be glorious

MAGA!!!!!

Still prefer Trump over Hillary.

Wooohooooo!

Is this /r/conspiracy or did I just turn on CNN? Why do you insist on boring us with this drivel? Are you banned from Facebook or something?

I still support Donald J. Trump as the President of the United States.

I tend to think he was either threatened, or he just caved because he was surrounded by people who are hostile to what he was trying to accomplish. In the first few weeks of the administration there was a flurry of effort to fulfill campaign promises and implement the changes Trump supporters asked for.

Then the Syria bombing with the ridiculous explanation that Trump decided to bomb Syria because Ivanka cried. Since then, we haven't seen the focused purposeful Trump that we saw at the very beginning of the administration. Then Trump started war-mongering against North Korea and Venezuela.

They're too ignorant or egotistical to admit that he's a lunatic. Even if the guy were to drop a nuke on their house they'd probably still be rooting for him.

The NWO should take everyone who voted for him out back to be eliminated first.

Lol no argument there sweety just little insight into the future

the only way to support Trump is to fool yourself into believing 4chan LARP stories.

I disagree, I support many of his policies and promises that he's kept. Like appointing Justice Gorsuch, repealing stupid regulations at a rate of 22:1, lowering taxes, cutting down on illegal immigration. Trump has done a lot of what he said he was going to do.

Now does that mean he doesn't say stupid stuff on Twitter? Of course he does. Does that mean Trump is perfect? Of course not.

He makes weapon deals with the Saudis. He refused to release his tax returns. He launched missile attacks in Syria. His administration wages a war on marijuana legalization. He supported Jerusalem being named as the capital of Israel.

The Saudi's believe it or not are our allies and they do not tolerate terrorists rampaging their country. To this end supporting our ally is fine. I'm not saying we should trust them unquestioningly but part of having allies helping them out.

Did Hillary release the Clinton Foundations Tax Returns? No? Then why should Trump? Does it change your view if he does? Look what happened when Romney did it? He got vilified and his taxes were totally above board.

Jeff Sessions going on a Marijuana crusade I feel is short sighted so I'll give you that.

Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is something we've voted on back in the 90's and we've put it off until now. I agree with this move.

The Saudi's believe it or not are our allies and they do not tolerate terrorists rampaging their country.

No, they just send them to the U.S. to crash planes into skyscrapers.

Wrong sub. I think you meant to post this in /r/MarchAgainstTrump.

So funny ppl don’t realize that the other side literally thinks the same thing about them. Doesn’t matter what side you’re on. Posts like this are silly and not a conspiracy

The problem is, in this case like very few others, there's a right and a wrong side. Trump's side is wrong just like Hitler was wrong. There is no gray area.

You’re very biased and uniformed. Gonna be an interesting next few days for you my friend

I look at Trump and see a man with no ethics, no morals, no thoughts, no guts, and no plan. He has a lot of very very stupid meandering and mostly false words, and that's it.

He has no goodness or kindness in him, no ability to lead, and no compunction about selling this country to the highest bidder.

To continue following him at this point, you have to be stupid or morally bankrupt or both.

Yea like I said man you’re just uninformed that’s all. I don’t think you’re a mad person but too much cnn can corrode the brain. Fr tho keep watching the news these next few days, and do it with an open mind.

I know who Donald Trump is. It has nothing to do with CNN. It has everything to do with YOU and people like you not seeing the forest for the trees.

The man has never, ever, ever, ever, EVER shown the ability to be altruistic, humble, kind, or decent.

The man can't even lead himself through a single thought without getting lost, for Christ's sake.

You don’t kno him you just think you do. Just be patient man, you will see that you have been lied to this whole time. And when you do the other side will be happy to have you. God speed my guy

Let me ask you this

Don't you think it's a little weird that every piece of news you agree with about him is true, and everything you don't agree with is "fake news"?

ALLLL these people can be fooled, but not you, right? Doesn't that set off a little alarm bell in your brain that makes you go "Wait a minute..."

Nothing about this guy lying and lying and lying about his lies over and over again has made you question that the guy miiiiight just be a liar?

Bro he won the election stop acting like I’m his only supporter haha your just being silly. And yes if I watched cnn I probly would think those things, luckily I have a brain and don’t watch that garbage. You wanna talk about liars btw, cnn is the worst of them all. How many times can one news station retract statements and apologize? Bad business. But anyways I’m gonna go now just make sure you watch the news next couple days. Come back and talk after if you would like

You didn't answer the question. You're deflecting.

Don't you think it's weird that (To you, apparently) every time somebody has pointed out that Trump has lied, and shown proof that he lied, those people are lying?

Somehow, every news organization save for Fox, most of the free world, a majority of Americans, and a huge chunk of politicians in the States are ALL lying to stop Trump from...doing...what exactly?

It's a huuuuge conspiracy that involves most of the entire world that's organized specifically to stop this man who has been a paragon of virtue and purity (Again, to you) his entire life and this whole thing has existed even BEFORE he was President!

The whoooooole entire world is against Trump, and it's just you and yours that are the last bastion of free thought and moral rectitude against it

You don't think that's a little strange?

Damn you met every person in the world huh? And they all told u they hate trump? Or did cnn tell u that? Get off your high horse my man. I’m coming back in a few days to talk again, can’t wait to see what u have to say then

Subtitle: I can't answer the question because I'm mentally ill and having to question my own world view might cause me to gain some self awareness, and shit that's scary.

Projecting

Deflecting

See you soon sweetie

the only way to support Trump is to fool yourself into believing 4chan LARP stories about how he's this close to shutting down the Clinton Cartel™

So if/when they are indicted i'm sure you'll be here apologizing, right? How easy did you think it would be to take down the establishment?

How many of the establishment are NOT seeking reelection? How many have been ousted as pervs?

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Thats a fact.

Anyone I know who is/was a trump supporter has come to this conclusion. The only place I see he has any support is online. I believe they are all bots.

It's really arrogant to assume that we're all bots.

Is it? Cambridge analytica outspent correct the record or shareblue by far and they are STILL spending. What do you think they do with that money? Bots. Bots. Bots.

I live in one of the bluest states in the US and I literally never saw a Hillary bumper sticker this last campaign cycle - just Bernie and Trump galore. I find it hard to believe anyone supported Hillary myself so I guess it goes both ways.

Probably when criticism against them like your post stops being phrased as loaded personal attack statements that makes people reluctant to change their incorrect views.

business as usual.

Not a conspiracy. Thanks.

Not a conspiracy. Thanks.

It slows down white genocide. Not a lot, but it gives us more time.

Aside from the Q bullshit, which I think is less a larp and more a propaganda/distraction/psyop, what you are saying is that Trump is just a regular old Republican. Fair enough criticism, I find that he refreshingly got the party away from pointless shit like gay marriage and while giving nods to prayer and such, he isn’t trying to grandstand about religion very much.

But, that isn’t going to do much harm to him among Republicans... by your view he accomplished the “party transformation” they have been “attempting” for three elections now.

What's this post doing in this group, where is the Conspiracy exactly?

No links to back up anything, just triggering hollow words and false beliefs based on fake news.

?

Trump's doing exactly what he promised.

and the media/leftist meltdown is fucking glorious.

I know I'll get downvoted to hell for this, but if it helps us better understand eachother then I think it's worth it. The world is so chaotic right now and we really need to be having honest discussions without shaming each other for having different viewpoints. Attacking each other for having different beliefa rather than talking us actually what drove me away from the left recently. (Thanks SJWs). Anyway, here we go:

At this stage, the only way to support Trump is to fool yourself into believing 4chan LARP stories about how he's this close to shutting down the Clinton Cartel™

I agree. I don't KNOW 4chan isn't a LARP, but it's easy to hope it isn't. Certainly this hope causes people to forgive some of Trumps actions. We will find this out in time though.

That or their hatred of the left, feminism and social justice warriors is so consuming that they are willing to ignore the fact that he is a conman and support him out of spite.

This is partially true. I'm willing to ignore that he's a conman because I hope he's conned his way into the whitehouse to crush conmen that have controlled government forever. I don't like business conmen but I hate murderous conmen even more.

It is undeniable that radical feminism and SJW has totally corrupted the left though. I'm actually a liberal which is why I am very agaisnt their attempts to restrict free speech and create tension between the genders as if the racial tension they're creating isn't enough. If these radical groups weren't around then I'd have a much harder time distancing myself from the left.

Q posts a bunch of vague crap that never comes true; making it obvious that he is just some bored anonymous 4chan user that is playing on the fantasies of Trump supporters.

There are a handful of things that Q has been strangely accurate about, albeit his vagueness makes it hard to tell if it's intentional or not. Very well could still be a LARP, but props to Q if that's the case. Rather disingenuous to say NOTHING came true though IMO.

He makes weapon deals with the Saudis. He refused to release his tax returns. He launched missile attacks in Syria. His administration wages a war on marijuana legalization. He supported Jerusalem being named as the capital of Israel. Bill, Podesta and Hilary are all doing just fine.

-Saudis make progressive moves and round up corrupt elites. While I don't like Saudis getting weapons it's unfortunately par for the course, although this time hopefully in slightly better hands. -Releasing any information will only be picked apart and spun against him, so why bring that on himself? Clean or dirty. -Idk his strategy behind Syria but bombing a random air strip seems to be for show, which I think is better than actually killing Syrians and getting us into another full blown war. This also assumes it was Trumps idea and not some rogue military move. -Fuck Sessions and his marijuana policy. Actually thought Trump would be pro-capitalism and legalize this market. -Idk wtf is up with Jerusalem either. This one is maybe the hardest to rationalize. Pandering to Israel before coming for the Rothschilds and other corrupt jews so their screams of anti-Semitism don't stick perhaps? Or as a way to keep AIPEC out of his way while he fights his other side battles.

All of this while he plays golf and surrounds himself with the same bankers and globalists that he promised to take on.

The golf argument is just old and boring. Do people really think they're just talking about golf and not business? On a property owned by Trump where he doesn't have to worry as much about security/espionage. As for the bankers and globalists, I'd really like if he took a stronger stance against them. This is likely political suicide for him though so I can hardly blame him for not doing this.

While those reading this may not agree with me, or even think of me as deplorable, I urge you to refrain from downvoting so the other never-trumpers can at least understand my position slightly better.

Let's work together to keep America great, thanks.

Get it OP. Fuck every president since JFK, Rothschild minions all of them.

In the end it was going to be a conman or a conwoman. The real tragedy is that this is all thats available.

I had this huge fight on my friends Facebook because she genuinely wanted opinion on what offended them over Trump's 'shithole' comments. Few of the comments were pro Trump but nothing nutty, so I commented about people's perception of what a Shithole is, and that it's people aren't necessary shitty people.

That just started some kind of all out jumping on my back because I said I wasn't pro Trump. It's like you are cancer if you don't like him. Just don't understand his base, and what they are thinking.

Who said anything about the people being shitty? Why do you think all the people from those countries want to come to the US? Yeah, because they live in a shithole.

When we all learn that no matter the choice we still have bad leaders within a sham 2 party system

LMAO.

Mmmm why would you make America great if you are part of the cabal? Does that make sense?

Tell me these are not true facts?

• Employment is up
• BLACK Employment is up
• GDP is up
• Investment is up
• The stock market is up
• Deportations are up
• Confidence is up
• Minority unemployment is down
• Illegal immigration is down
• Taxes are down
• Regulations are down
• ISIS is down
• DOJ investigative Clinton Foundation
• DOJ investigate Clinton emails
• DOJ investigate Obama drug trafficking by Hezbollah
• NK peace talks

The truth is we have no idea if he is part of them. What you are saying are still opinions and whatever you say or I say cannot change anything, CANNOT change anything at all. You just have to go with the flow.

Now with that in context, who was the other candidate? You wanted that bitch to be in office????

I can guarantee that if she was in office there would be more investigations and attempts to "lock her up" than there are right now. And state marijuana laws wouldn't be on the point of being tipped into the shit.

I can guarantee that if she was in office there would be more investigations and attempts to "lock her up"

huh?

Is it a coincidence that as soon as Trump won the election all of the Benghazi investigations (21 total) stopped? Trust me, if she became president the Republican House and Senate would be on their third or fourth impeachment hearing. Republicans were already planning investigations into Clinton before the election to launch if she became president. Basically, if you wanted her "locked up", electing Trump was the wrong move.

You are out of your mind.

I'm saying that if anyone's reason for voting Trump was because the GOP would then pursue Clinton and "lock her up", then they would have been better off voting for Clinton.

The GOP doesn't give a shit about bringing Clinton to justice or prosecuting her for any crimes - which is why as soon as she stopped being politically active or relevant and the GOP took power, they abandoned any attempt to "lock 'er up".

Before the election there were any number of Congressional investigations into Benghazi, etc.

Today there are zero.

Guess those people who died in Lybia weren't so important after all?

None of this helps the common people. None of it.your retirement account may be looking good, but that's about it.

How about lower taxes? That doesn't help!?

In 3 years our taxes go way up. So, no. Not really.

"Regulations are down" that's a bad thing not a good thing

You're wrong. As a biz owner you'll understand red tape fucks you up

And as someone who lives on Earth on day you'll understand this is the only planet we have and we shouldn't stop protecting it so Jimmy can squeeze in an extra 2% profit.

That's communism. It doesn't work. Ask Mao. Ask Stalin.

Not letting greedy dumbfucks rivage the Earth is communism now?

The argument is about over zealous regulations and not enough freedom to do what needs to be done

Making more regulations does not work, this is reality not fairy land

If you can't "do what needs to be done" without destroying ecosystems, the atmosphere, etc then it shouldn't be done. This isn't fairy land bullshit, regulations are put in place and work when the President isn't bending over for companies.

Looking after the environment is one of the many problems but it is not priority

Looking after the environment should absolutely be top priority and someone's profits should never dismiss how important it is.

absolutely be top priority

Not correct this is priority

But how about helping the vets with PTSD living on the streets as priority, first? Like Americans? Not the illegal immigrants? As in sanctuary cities?

Priorities?

Not destroying the earth in the process of fixing all those problems should definitely take priority over fixing those problems.

AGAIN, people should be looked after first, it is the same as old people and kids, not sweeping them under the trash pile simply to have a nice park. I hear you, look after the environment but it is not priority

This is going to sound harsh and I get where you are coming from but to me a very small percentage of the billions of people we have on this planet are much much less important than the safety and security of the only planet we currently can call home. I know that is harsh and of course I want to help these groups of people you mentioned but they shouldn't be placed above the entirety of the human race and its survival.

First you are totally misinformed. You state you feel we need to save the planet ASAP. Climate change is a hoax, a larp. You were fooled.

I can give you reasons if you want to continue along this road. Ok, I'll starts with one. 10 years ago Al Gore predicted the North Pole would lose all it's ice or something like that around this time. What do we see now? Still ice there. HOAX. There's more ....

Point being Earth is not going to die as you fearfully state hence people first then planet

Lmfao ok dude sure. I would absolutely fucking love you to explain how global warming is a hoax and how most scientists are wrong and how u/nazi_balthan_nos_fag uncovered their treacherous ways.

Did you dispute my AL Gore argument?

Did you have any more "evidence"? Can you point me to the direct quote of his or the context of it?

Former Vice President Al Gore references computer modeling to suggest that the north polar ice cap may lose virtually all of its ice within the next seven years. “Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” says Gore.

https://youtu.be/MsioIw4bvzI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/wrong-al-gore-predicted-arctic-summer-ice-could-disappear-2013

Okay so a couple points, "some of the models" and "75% chance" suggest that this isn't some bold statement like you are acting like it is, computer models were much less powerful and accurate back then, and Al Gore was one of the first to bring up global warming in the mainstream but that doesn't mean his words are fact nor that he is 'The Scientist' that is solely responsible for our information on global warming. Do you have any actual solid evidence that can legitimately disprove the idea of man made global warming that almost all scientists that study the field currently agree upon?

The premise of climate change is .... warmer weather, correct?

No, it is the breaking down of our ozone layer caused by man made changes, just because it's cold outside your house right now has jack shit to do with the actuality of global warming.

I was going to say, thicker ice caps, sea levels lowering but never mind.

Scientists huh? How about 30000 of them saying it is a hoax?

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence

Lmfao dude did you even read it, the site itself says that most of the people who signed didn't even work in the field. Only 12% of those that signed had any loose affiliation with the fields that are relevant.

Are you a scientist? If you are, do you work in the same field? I don't think you are so stop being obtuse. They know more than you or me

From the article

While polls of scientists actively working in the filed of climate science indicate strong general agreement that Earth is warming and human activity is a significant factor, 31,000 scientists say there is "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause "catastrophic" heating of the atmosphere.

How about the guy who started the weather channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolNmjAoD44

Then do you agree ice caps in the north pole are thickening? Are sea levels not rising?

Point being climate change DOES change but no solid evidence of this done by humans.

And if you don't know, the magnetic poles are shifting. Why would this not change the climate?

MANY MANY examples. THEIR narrative on Climate Change is a HOAX to charge you a carbon tax, to make more money of every human

And Obama got elected promising to close Guantanamo and bring the troops home.

And George W. got elected promising a non-interventionist foreign policy with no nation building.

And Bill Clinton got elected promising universal health care and a conversion of America's defense based economy to a peacetime one.

And George H. W. got elected promising: "Read my lips--no new taxes."

It's almost as if they're all a bunch of fucking liars, and you'd be a moron to expect anything different from Trump.

Unfortunatelly one of the actual answers to your question is simply that Some men want to watch the world burn. They think anarchy is the best way to achieve order, and electing a huge egotistical fuckhead who claims no one can control is the quickest way to make crazy shit happen. Thats why my Dad supported him.

Most people don’t vote for president expecting their preferred candidate to be their savior. They simply vote for the candidate they can best tolerate. Most Trump voters are not diehard Trump supporters. Hardly anyone gets “duped” by a presidential candidate to the point of shifting support to the other major party candidate. I could see people having less enthusiasm for Trump now compared to election night, but I don’t think that many of his voters actually regret their vote and would now prefer Hillary and a Democratic administration.

Dupe on what? Trump is and has been actively doing things he campaigned on. Theres litterally a list of things hes accomplished that he said he would do.

Considering the past Presidents. Thats fucking amazing.

I know. I know. It stings.

apple gonna bring money back and pay 30billion tax?

shame on you for spreading lies.

Most of them that actually think for themselves already have. The ones that are left pretty much treat politics like a sports team. He was their pick for this season(term), and they will support him no matter what until next season.

He got rid of TPPA. He is getting rid all the H1B scams. Apple is bringing their billions of overseas profits home and will pay 38B in taxes. So far so good.

Everyone always talks about how "trump tells it like it is! He makes the lefties cry!!" Who the fuck cares what he says tho?! What is going to effect us is his policies! And his policies are fucking garbage unless you are rich. So unless you're rich, why support the guy?!?!

I’m saving on taxes now. My healthcare will be cheaper once I can buy overstate lines. I’m not rich. I don’t itemize more than 12,000 at this point, also another win for me.

Your healthcare is about to skyrocket in cost. The tax scam removed the individual mandate, but kept the clause about not denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. Washington State did this exact same thing in 1995. Premiums freakin' skyrocketed in 96 and 97, and by 98, no providers were offering insurance.

This is what actually happens. Not your fantasy land where setting up hyper complicated relationships with health care systems in multiple regions that all operate independently and separately while simultaneously requiring that they give insurance to sick people without incentivizing healthy people from having insurance will somehow drive DOWN costs.

Your pitiful tax savings are going to get steamrolled by your huge health care cost increase. Yeah, the tax rate is nice if you qualify for the AMT. And all those nonprofits that help people so the government doesn't have to? Yeah, they're scared shitless now that a huge percentage of their givers have less incentive to donate if they're not itemizing.

But what do I know. I'm just someone who does itemize and uses critical thinking and takes historical performance in to account when thinking about future prospects.

Next quarter, our monthly premium is going down thx to the tax cuts. Not going down, but SLC will cover more of the cost.

Prices for our residents rent and care went down 5 percent as well.

So . . . Whatever you say big guy.

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Will make for a good morning shit six months from now.

A year from now I hope to be in Alaska and in a bracket I get fucked in no matter who is in office. That may change my opinion.

You are. You can't be bothered to think about systems at large. You're just able to see your own, temporary, tax cuts.

That’s right bro. I’m worried about my family. That’s called being a father, husband, and provider.

Temporary because it needs support from both sides for that to happen which many republicans have stated they want. Sanders said it himself, great tax breaks, just not permanent. With a little BIPARTISANSHIP that could happen. But if any Dems were interested in that we would not be in a government lapse.

Registered democrat by the way.

You are getting a $100 tax cut and losing $1000 in debt spending, interest payments, and lost future services! GOOD JOB! Taxes support good and valuable services.

Valuable services like more and more federal employees?

My kids got thier after school programs cut due to funding. Teachers have to spend out of their own pocket to get supplies they need. Yeah, to bad not much of that tax money actual makes it bake to us.

As long as politicians have pensions and free healthcare for life who cares about our children.

Take your pretentious attitude to r/politics. Us dumbasses see straight through it.

It appears you're from Ireland, what do you know of American politics? Q anon has dropped many posts that have come true. Even hints as to who he is in the government and not some paid shill sitting at home like yourself. What's wrong with claiming Jerusalem as the capital of Israel when so many past Presidents claimed they would? Are you islamaphobic? Let's not forget who created the war in Syria before you blame the current president for bombing a nation without borders (ISIS). Let's not forget who created ISIS in the first place. Our economy is booming, I'm sorry you've made some bad investments and aren't benefitting from it. So where do you get the cajones to claim he's a fraud? He's created jobs, put money into Americans pockets, annihilated ISIS, brought north Korea and South Korea together, arresting pedophiles across our country, getting rid of dead weight freeloathjng illegal aliens, and actually has a woman standing by his side instead of a pre-op tranny. Sounds all good to me shill.

illegal aliens in the US are actually the opposite of freeloading and contribute hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes each year that they see absolutely no benefit from besides public services.

You need to have a social security number for your W-2 or 1099 in order to be employed and "pay taxes". Otherwise the term is known as being paid "under the table".

Tell me, how does an illegal alien pay taxes without a social security number?