Would you rather he talks like Eddie Bravo?

a lot of people screaming "rogan is a sell out" need to do some growing up on these desperate conspiracies they cling too.

Look into it

What i have learned from visiting this sub for 5 years ( guessing but im sure at least that) , is that users , like myself , got a certain buzz or dopamine release from the discovery of indignancy im our world. This puts people in the frame of mind ( and i see it here today, more and more) that people wish there to be a conspiracy to explain everything. The worst part for me is when relationships i have with my family, girlfriend ( though she is of a similar frame of mind) and friends began to deteriorate. I had to accept reaponsibility for this because it was affecting my mood, much like other habit forming , chemical releasing addintive behaviours can. It affected how i sawnthe world and made me unhappy, and made me waste loads of my fucking time. Look, i an writing this , not to discourage people from the path to truth, but to share my personal experience , and to offload and verbalise , in a subreddit that opened my eyes, but then fixated them. This post sparked my interest today as i occasionally flip back to this /r to keep in touch with things. I have learned to chill out though. I went from being amazed, ( in the initail days for me it was the late michael ruppert), to angry, to a combination of depressed and obsessed. It became dangerous to my health both socially and mentally. I would like to tale this opportunity to ask people to exercise their critical thinking skills but also to ask, what is important here. Is it the overarching narrative? Is it the minutia or unverified data and congecture? Or am i simply getting a dopamine hit from hearing how fucked over we are, and justifying my current state Of apathy. I am not saying i domt believe. . I can say with reasonable level of certainty, if not total certainty that elite groups of individuals are cocking up the world, and wreeking havoc as tbey have been for time immemorium. Am i going to change that by reading 30 Stories an evening and trying to piece it together? Probably fucking not. I like to juggle these days. I enjoy a joint and to work hard physically. I really stopped with all this when i began to travel. I didnt have the fucking time. I was picking cherries at 4 am and livingmin a barn in canada, or working weed farms or fucking lying by a lake somewhere with fuck all money and a big spliff. I escaped from this never ending , reloading maze of distraction ,which leads OP and others to not even be able to enjoy their normal Stuff , like an innocent podcast, or convos that dont involve some level of consiratorial conjecture. It was time i got this off my chest. I became happier when i stopped lookingninto the abyss. I write a diary now of things i do in a day abd what to do tomorrow. I juggle. I write songs, i worl on my kood proactively. I still get called a tinfoiler by my friends. A badge i wear with dignity and pride because impo it takes a snart mind to break free and question, but now i know a wiser one to start at home ( figuratively speaking) to change this world. Its the system thats broken. Its important to remember that unless you have a degree of empathy for yourself and the world around you, you will always look at it with more and kore contempt, and you will have solved nothing. I wish you all well. and again , i am not saying this is everyones experience. Some people will maybe even think im a shill😧. We all know things are fucked but dont give up hope in the things you love. Live life and be happy. A good day to you all x

Nicely written

So you're saying you believe in astrology...?

I too have been on board the JRE train for a long time. I don't see what you're seeing.

I agree OP, somebody definitely turned his controversial knob down quite a bit. Especially if you listen to his older stuff, like talking about the moon landings and all that.

What happened? "Fuck-you" Money, that's what

Ya! Nobody likes money...

I think you are confused on the meaning of fuck you money. Fuck you money means you don't give a fuck because you have so much money nothing matters.

/thread

He has had Fuck you money for a long time.

Anyone with kids is easily compromised, just a swift "do you want to see your kid again?" Or something like that and they'll change their ways

And the ones without kids are easily handled the ol classic way

The ol 2 bullets to the head suicide

The ol' right there Fred!

That show should have been called Joe Rogan debunks everything. He doesn’t really “believe” in anything except muh weed and muh dmt.

I think he still questions things, hes just come to certain conclusions, conclusions that you seem to disagree with

he regularly has eddie bravo on, who believes all conspiracies. do you relate to him more? for a huge part of the following (judging by the discourse on the rogan subreddit) his use(misuse) of logic is aggravating

Well to be fair they are mma fighters not scientists.

youre right. why do i care about their opinions. rogans show is completely guest dependent, but he gets the best guests

Probably in fear. Threatened him or his family.

Could be as simple as he got tired of social jerks harassing advertisers and staff members. The misguided intolerant bullying at work.

Hahhaha what?

gang stalking? i dunno what he means

Maybe you should complain directly to Joe Rogan about how he can better cater his life and philosophy to your whims.

How is he a sell out? He regularly has guests come on that talk about subjects he just doesn’t 100% always believe in. That more then some do. Most people only have on people they agree with. So he hasn’t had Eric Dubai on because talk mad shit about him. Fuck Eric, it’s Rogan’s show and he can have on who he wants! Why is he a sell out because he changed his mind? People change their minds all the time on shit. I don’t believe in Santa anymore does that make me a shill? He doesn’t believe in flat earth and he thinks we went to the moon. So what 90% of the population believes that. He’s not a sell out he doesn’t have to sell out! He’s made all his money doing his own thing like calling UFC fights and his podcast. He does what he wants.

Santa is real , capitalism and big companies have him kidnap thats all

Eh, think its fair to be suspicious of a 48 year old conspiracy theorist who's worldview became far more normalized in year 50 as he became very rich and very mainstream, all the while smoking DMT and weed until his eyes bleed.

If you want to be taken seriously, you can either be counter culture or you can be popular, the system cannot recognize both or else it recognizes its own loss of control and conformity.

That is a really powerful observation about notoriety. I think the forces that apply that control are deeply buried in us. Especially here in a conspiracy sub there is an unfortunate jump to the assumption that there are more active nefarious forces at work.

I thought yours was a good take. Shouldn’t be downvoted. I think some members of the audience struggle with people who are only partially in their own camp. People that blur the lines are often seen as traiters to the cause because they don’t believe the whole rhetoric.

For me personally, I get some cognitive dissonance from him. Sometimes, he seems incredibly open-minded and you get a bunch of new awesome information, and other times he’s incredibly close-minded and insulting to people with whatever belief he doesn’t share. Even if I agree with him, I find him abrasive to other people when he gets in that mood, and I don’t want to be around him and I just shut off his podcast and come back later to a different one. It’s like watching a parent berate their kid in public.

He probably realized that there are 100 million conspiracy theories out there and that probably less than one percent of them are true and even if they are true that there is very little anyone can do about it. It's much much less effort to just live in the world around you. Maybe direct that energy into things that have a direct effect on you like public policy and activism. He just grew up and realized all this searching for the truth is just ego based. Make your own truth.

What does he not question anymore that you wish he did? I remember a video of him explaining that he changes his opinion on things when he sees enough evidence to change his mind.

he often cites the show that OP mentioned as the REASON hes not into many conspiracy theories anymore. when you really get into it, and talk to peope who are actually educated and experienced within the topic you are less likely to buy into the homebrewed theories of the bored, paranoid, and misinformed.

WTC7 is one he used to publicly talk about how fucky it all was. He's since started jumping right over it in discussion.

He was poking fun at people concerned about data collection from apple saying it's likely going to the CIA. On the Reggie Watts episode. Was kinda strange.

There's a pattern. First they say the truth and attract an audience. They build up the audience throughout the years. The audience will obviously become loyal and see the person(agent of influence) as some sort of authority. After a large following or a critical point in history, they start the disinformation campaign.

I've purposefully avoided 100% of Rogan's conspiracy stuff because I don't want to risk his shill opinions ruining my Fear Factor re-runs.

For a guy who did a show all about battling your fears it sounds like he's a massive hypocrite

I was salty about the net neutrality episode. It was all the way one-sided. No discussion just shilling for one side. No discussion about how deregulation will lead to competition, or how they were able to complete shutter daily stormer under the old "no intervention" rules

"I was disappointed that they didn't push my point of view".

Wait until you get data caps (monthly cap on data, and pay to go over). Or when you have to shell out an additional $20/month more than you used to just to access Netflix, because your ISP has a deal with Hulu.

And then, when you want to visit your favorite conspiracy website but it won't load because they didn't pay your ISP for better access, well you can start your own (inaccessible) website to complain about it.

The reason they came down on one side is simple: the only people pushing for deregulation are the companies that stand to make a profit.

If the ISP's gave two fucks about competition, they would have built fiber to everyone's homes instead of pocketing the billions in taxpayer money they received to do so.

The big companies don't care about you, they only care about profit. The internet was scheduled like all other utilities (phone, electricity, water, gas), and they convinced you that that's bad.

So if you're against the internet being scheduled as Title II, then you had better start trying to deregulate your other utilities as well, for the same reason (more competition, etc.).

I don’t feel he sold out at all. He never believed in many of the conspiracies you’ll see pushed around this sub, he has many times over explained why he changes his mind on others, and still believes in many “radical” beliefs involving psychedelic drugs.

He also has guests who question the narrative on his show.

Maybe the problem is that people are too intolerant of those who don’t agree with them 100% and are quick to slap a label on them saying they are an enemy.

Absolutely agree. He has spoken many times about operation northwoods, JFK, tower 7 and the moon landings. Not believing the official narrative. The ones he dismissed are usually the most rediculous ones. Flat earth being one of them.

Have you listened to him recently though? A few weeks ago was actually trying to debunk the WTC7 conspiracy theory. Way different than he used to be.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. What you are saying is true.

Are you on about his episode with Mick west?

Yes

I watched that recently and it doesn't feel like he is trying to debunk it. He more or less asks questions to Mick and chimes in with his opinion. The topic after that is a conspiracy he believes in which is the JFK assassination so I doubt he is just looking to debunk things.

He did more of the talking than Mick regarding tower 7.

I must be remembering it wrong then.

Yes, but he doesn't speak about them much anymore. In comparison to his earlier podcasts, he just doesn't touch upon these subjects that much anymore. Not jumping to any conclusions about that, but it's an obvious observable change.

He had Alex Jones on not too long ago. Also Eddie Bravo is a frequent guest that Rogan will go into depth with certain conspiracies with.

I think he takes a balanced view of things. Prob the best way.

I agree and that's why I like his show. I also respect his drive to learn and the logical approach to that information.

He certainly took a 'logical approach' to swallowing Neil deGrasse Tyson's nonsense.

Hoaxed moon landings is not a conspiracy I have seen any compelling evidence for. I'm with Rogan and deGrasse on this one.

Really? What if they openly mocked you in front of your face?

You'll have to give me a TL;DW on that. I'm not watching 18 minutes of video to attempt to figure out what point you are trying to make.

Just watch the first two minutes.

Tell me why I should.

It's redirects to his website lol

Maybe it is best if you don't, come to think of it.

On this we can agree.

This user is intellectually dishonest, and only posts in order to self-promote this Youtube channel, which in turn only exists to funnel traffic to a premium subscription. Just FYI, hope you're having a truly splendid day.

There was little to no chance that I was ever going to watch that. The quality of the conversation from u/Step2TheJep put them in a pretty deep hole as far as credibility goes. I would be willing to bet the video isn't much better.

Are you familiar with the ad hominem logical fallacy?

Yes.

no evidence the Moon landings were a hoax? how much have you really researched the subject?

No credible evidence.

Read this in its entirety... You may change your tune.

I've read it.

He's having NDT on to debate a Flat Earther next month, and I could not be more excited about it.

Who is the Flat Earther?

I don't think he said the name, but I'd assume it's at least someone who's pretty well spoken. If he brings on some crazy tool to debate NDT, then I'll actually be pretty suspicious. Rogan understands what it's like to talk to the crazy conspiracy "experts" from his shilly show that he used to do.

The person that replied to you, step2thejep is John le bon and he jsut linked to a video he himself produced. He is trying to promote his paid website ($20+/mo) and his youtube channel so he tries to insert links to conspiracy threads. He exclusively links to his own content.

His views are nonsensical, his style of debate starts by asking some question about one of your points and the he will condescend, move goal posts, demand impossible proof for your points while demanding none for his own, misapply/ misunderstand science, and link to his own videos.

He himself is a flat earther but since he thinks himself better than people in this sub who he calls "conspiritards" (he has a video about why conspiracy theorists hate him) and "normies" everyone who does not agree with him... so he basically states he is not a flat earther but also doesn't believe in the earth orbiting the sun, spinning on its axis or being round.

Ask him what he actually believes about the earth and he won't tell you or link to a nonsensical video or his member only site.

I know u/Step2thejep, who the fuck are you?

My new stalker.

Good for you, do you also try to make money off of peoples tragedy and shill for your own website? Do you find it suspicious when someone posts to this sub repeatedly with his own content regardless of revelance particularly when he makes money off said content and also when he doesn’t own his relation to the content. He is also a condescending prick too... and thinks himself better than this sub. So when I run across his posts I let people know who they are arguing with. If you know him let him know that his shilling his own material this site is pathetic, some of his claims are disgusting, his style of argument is inane and he should open a physics textbook once in his iife. Cheers.

Could you give me a specific example? I know him as in have interacted with him in this sub plenty of times before. I'm aware of his flat earth beliefs and while I don't personally believe in it, I'll also admit that I've never really looked into it that much, so I won't completely dismiss everything he says because of that one belief.

Follow him through a few arguments he has on this site.

1) He is shilling his own site. If he said hey, here is a video I made it wouldn't be an issue. But he relentlessly promotes his own site and videos and only his own site and videos. He tried to post them directly so it did not work, now he goes around this sub trying to inject them into the comments...

2) He makes money off of his site. Not donations, no merchandise but subscription and most of his videos directly promote the paid videos while saying little more than that he will blow your mind.

3) He is condescending when engages in arguments, attacks debaters, moves goal posts, and will try to hone in on one detail for which he requires extraordinary levels of proof.

4) He does not believe anyone died in the towers on 9/11... which is very insulting to those who lost colleagues, loved ones, partners, children, parents etc. To make things worse he uses these claims to try to push his paid website.

This is ironic because his conjectures do not seem to require such proof. Take the video on media fakery that he spams into most conversations.

It actually his video on how he does not believe missiles are capable of level flight. He injects this into many unrelated conversations.

At the core of his argument is his lack of understanding of how physics work and lack of imagination to realize how control surfaces and vectored thrust works.

When called on this, he will ask for proof. If you post articles and theories on missile control surfaces then he will claim that its not proof because it is theory and diagrams.

If you post a video of cruise missiles and SAMs in level flight he claims that the videos do not constitute proof either.

Which would be fine, accept his original conjecture is based on his lack of understanding of physics, engineering and a nasa force diagram of a missle/rocket.

Thus based on his own logic it would mean he could only say he doesn't know missiles could fly, but instead he shills this video that missiles cannot fly.

On youtube comments why he is wrong was explained to him, on reddit why he wrong has been explained to him, but he just moves goal posts and resorts to ad hominem attacks.

If you note in the youtube comments he mainly responds to and attacks people who he suspects won't be able to argue back and ignores substantive comments probably because he knows he is wrong.

He then created a response video where starts of by pretending to admit being wrong, but then concludes that its best to stay on his website behind a paywall... this is a common MO for him, try to get people to get interested in his paid content.

Most of his videos are more agregious, where he does not even present his ideas and facts but instead just sells his website and other videos. This brings me to reason 5 why I dislike him:

5) His videos employ sketchy sales strategies. Why people hate him. How he will blow your mind. Everyone else is wrong but he alone knows the truth Just pay him money and he will change your life... its reminiscent of people hawking diet pills and other vapor ware on infomercials.

Real thinkers and believers let their own ideas and facts do the talking. They don't try to oversell their content nor take money from others for them. If they do have a paid aspect to their content they make a good faith effort to provide samples of their content.

Basically he is acting in bad faith. It is not clear what he actually believes. He makes fun of "normies" and "conspiritards" alike. He is actively shilling his own content under false auspices. He is promoting his paid content and trying to take advantage of people on this sub. When he argues he acts like an arse and a troll.

The person that replied to you, step2thejep is John le bon and he jsut linked to a video he himself produced. He is trying to promote his paid website ($20+/mo) and his youtube channel so he tries to insert links to conspiracy threads. He exclusively links to his own content.

His views are nonsensical, his style of debate starts by asking some question about one of your points and the he will condescend, move goal posts, demand impossible proof for your points while demanding none for his own, misapply/ misunderstand science, and link to his own videos.

He himself is a flat earther but since he thinks himself better than people in this sub who he calls "conspiritards" (he has a video about why conspiracy theorists hate him) and "normies" everyone who does not agree with him... so he basically states he is not a flat earther but also doesn't believe in the earth orbiting the sun, spinning on its axis or being round.

Ask him what he actually believes about the earth and he won't tell you or link to a nonsensical video or his member only site.

I agree but I have noticed a change in his questions and stance as of late. Could be a personal issue driving this behavior. Not sure. I do hope it doesn't continue much longer.

I haven’t noticed a change personally.

I listen and sometimes listen twice depending on the traffic. I see a difference. Mainly with his ability to be open to different opinions or ideas. Today he seems judgmental which comes off as being mainstream.

I disagree. Obviously it’s down to perception, I’m willing to grant you yours, but I hope you acknowledge that not anywhere near a consensus that he has changed.

I hear you. I hope you acknowledge that not anywhere near a consensus that he has not changed. If you do some research people are talking about it.

Exactly, being a pretty regular viewer of his show I don't feel he "sold out" I feel more like he just doesn't believe a lot of things that are purely based upon heresy or conjecture. He still does believe in a lot of different conspiracies that there are actual proof for. He's just logical is all.

Well none of us will know whether he really did "sell out" or not, but it is obvious for those who have listened to him from the start that he treats conspiracy related topics much more conservatively now. Sure people grow and change their viewpoints, he always stated that, and he's certainly getting old and with family, money and more fame probably just doesn't have the same curiosity he used to have.

Having said that, I personally feel that he is much less perceptive / sharp in his podcasts and less articulate and thoughtful. I almost feel that the onnit and alpha brain crap he's peddling is slowly crippling his cognitive functions.

Also on a side note, some of the comedians who knew Rogan from the old days commented on how Rogan was a huge jerk and bully in the past...so people certainly evolve. Sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse.

You shouldn't be proud of a gold post on /r/conspiracy. It's like the Star of David around here.

Dang.

I can be proud of whatever I want. I’m not going to change the way I feel to appease people in this sub.

Lmfao what?

Not sure what confused you there. I don't give a shit what r/conspiracy thinks about reddit gold.

Right, I understand that, but why are you acting like the idea was forced upon you?

Lol one guy made a joke saying you should feel honored, you took it as a personal attack and felt the need to defend your right to hold an opinion.

Honestly I'm just laughing at the cringe-factor

Did you miss the comment I was responding to?

"You shouldn't be proud of a gold post on /r/conspiracy. It's like the Star of David around here."

I thought he actually said you SHOULD be proud, but that doesn't change my point.

Again, I'm laughing at your gross overreaction.

Not an overreaction at all. I simply responded with my opinion

I think you’re assuming my emotional state based on text. Not a good practice as it will often lead you astray as it has done here.

What does Joe believe that even qualifies as a modern, NWO-centric conspiracy theory? Does he stand his ground on anything that a hypothetical cabal of industrialists would not want him broadcasting to 11 million people?

Stoned ape shit and lost civilizations and higher dimensions are cool and all, but relatively risk free to say as a millionaire celebrity podcaster.

Why does he have to believe in a NWO centric conspiracy theory? He isn’t you, he isn’t obligated to share your beliefs.

Of course he does not have to, I just thought he built his audience significantly due to his belief in conspiracy theories, but now years later/$$$ later/audience explosion later, he actually doesn't hold any of those original opinions? Oh yeah, except for the ones that are culturally insignificant and are risk free to support. That seems suspicious.

I never thought he built his audience on that. He was an MMA fighter, comedian, and TV Show host (for multiple successful shows). Which part of that tells you his fame is built on conspiracy theories?

Mm doesn't sound like you have been a listener of the JRE through the years. The guy went from an E-list celebrity to the most listened to podcaster online by talking about interesting stuff, a huge piece of that was introducing conspiracy theories to a curious audience that wasn't familiar with the Gulf of Tonkin/Operation Northwoods/WTC7 etc.

I mean his name is really 1 of only 2 that are floated on conspiracy boards. Look at the r/conspiracy right now.

Uhhhh no. Sounds like you just don't know his bio. I think you're allowing your personal experience to skew your understanding.

He gained recognition well before his podcast.

We are talking about what has made his podcast go from culturally irrelevant to the #3 podcast on the internet. Saying he was semi-famous when he started it, thats why a decade later its at the top, is stupidly reductive and ignores the actual content of his 800 3 hour broadcasts. Of the actual content that generated his word-of-mouth popularity growth and online buzz, conspiracy theorizing was a foundational piece.

See post titled "Since Joe Rogan really doesn’t talk about conspiracies anymore, does anyone have suggestions for podcasts that do?"

I think his podcast is successful because he is friends with many comedians and interesting people and is able to get on a wide range of interesting and well known people.

What other podcast is able to get that variety of well known people? Conspiracies are superfluous regardless of his stance.

Conspiracies are superfluous regardless of his stance

Oh boy. Once again regret taking the time to have this illiterate discussion.

Yeah... looks like you missed the point. Those words around that quote were important you know. Hence the reason I didn’t just type that line.

His stance on conspiracies are superfluous to his fame. Maybe that’ll make it a little bit easier for ya bud.

Funny to me you chose a thread dedicated to Joe Rogans take on conspiracy theories to struggle through a non sequitur like "His stance on conspiracies are superfluous to his fame".

Is you browsing r/conspiracy and clicking on a post titled "Joe Rogan Sold Out" and spending time commenting not directly suggestive of the idea that Joe Rogan is known for his conspiracy theories and that his opinion thereof is worth discussion and debate? Why are you here if Joe Rogan and conspiracy theories have no meaningful neural connection in your brain? What the fuck is your point?

It’s not a non sequitur, the fact that you think that really makes me question of you’ve understood anything I’ve said up until this point.

My position has consistently been that he is not known for his conspiracies. Just because that’s how you view/viewed him does not mean that is how the general populace views him. He was becoming a known figure before his podcast even started.

His podcast is popular because he is a funny and entertaining guy. He has clout with celebs and is able to get a wide variety of interesting people on his show.

Some people may also enjoy his views on some controversial subjects like drugs and conspiracies, but I think those are not the reason his podcast is successful. His podcast would be successful regardless of his stance on them, hence, they are superfluous to his fame.

His bio makes all of these pretty self-evident. It’s not like he was a nobody who shot to fame when he started talking about touchy subjects. He was someone who slowly amassed their fame and was already on an upward trend.

My position has consistently been that he is not known for his conspiracies

As you post on a thread dedicated to his opinion on conspiracies?

Yes, I posted my stance on the relationship to Joe Rogan and conspiracies in a thread discussing Joe Rogan and conspiracies.

Why would there be a post about JR and conspiracys on the front page of a 566k person reddit sub if "he is not known for his conspiracies"?

Saying someone is “known for” something is a general expression indicating what the general population would recognize about said person, not a statement on every individual’s personal feelings on the matter.

It’s a generalization. For example:

Men are known for being less emotional.

Does that mean no man is more emotional than a woman? Does that mean no man is emotional at all? Of course not. It’s a generalized observation of a larger trend.

Mmm I learned long ago that when a guy starts explaining what a 'generalization' is and how they work, the conversation is intellectually vacant.

What an oddly specific and unhelpful thing your learned.

And I’m not a guy ;)

I learned a long time ago that when a woman starts talking about men and emotions, she doesn't know fuck-all.

Funny, cuz everything I've read from you screams "I dont know shit"

So keep being a passive aggressive woman-splainer and leave the intellectual work to those who are worthy.

The fact that my gender has an effect on how you perceive my statements speaks more to your character than anything else.

It’s clear you aren’t “worthy” of anymore of my time.

You are the one who brought gender into it. And no, it doesn't speak to my character. Just because I am willing to state things that most men feel does not mean I have an absence of character. You are out of your depth.

Cause it's true

According to you. You realize not everyone shares your personal beliefs?

Not really according to me, like I wasn't born too long ago/not important enough to make such impacts. It's according to facts.

According to your interpretation of facts. There are multiple conclusions people can reach.

There are personal truths and absolute facts. Facts are facts, nothing to interpret.

If you think there's nothing to interpret when it comes to these issues the failing is your own.

Maybe you are using the wrong word. I'm talking about facts. Facts are facts nothing to interpret.

You're wrongly claiming things that are not factual to be facts. Clearly you have a skewed perception of reality, and that is not a problem I can solve for you.

What have I claimed?

I'm over this conversation. If you aren't going to acknowledge that your personal beliefs are not equivalent to facts then I have nothing further to discuss.

That's called an checkmate gents

Facts are facts nothing to interpret.

What an astonishingly ignorant statement. Think about what you're saying for just a moment and realize how ignorant it is. The idea that there is nothing to interpret in facts is ... my god, you can't possibly be serious.

There is no opinion inputted into facts. Nothing to factor. Nothing to figure out. It just is.

Edit: this was in response to him saying it was my opinion. Careful when quoting, if taken out of context and makes people look like jackasses.

Rogan has been a nonsensical babbler for years, the man can hardly string three words together coherently.

Please ..... let him go softly into the night.

I'm going to need more meat.

Especially after:

Now he denies and dismisses anything that isn’t cnn approved.

Also,

mercury retrograde

Is like your horoscope.

How has he been handling the JQ? Does he run from it like Alex Jones?

whats jq

jewish question

I remember he had Abby Martin on to discuss her empire files and Israeli apartheid. That's a sign of not sold out in my book.

He may have sold out, but he also might have been a sell out from the beginning.

Get the young male crowd worshipping you (MMA, alpha male, comedian, etc.), and then lead them down the roads you want them to go.

I'm glad people are starting to turn on him.

You are right in some respects. He chalks it up to "becoming smarter," but there definitely was an almost fast change to it all. That being said he still stands against the official JFK narrative.

What happened?

The corrupt powers-that-be think of conspiracy theorists as "rats".

What happened to Joe Rogan is the same thing that happened to Alex Jones.

They were offered a bag of gold in exchange for misleading the rats.

Bought in. Not sold out..

seth?? is that you?

Props for the reference. :)

He just doesn't want attract the attention of, or piss off the leftist zionist front in California or he will become the victim of sexual assault claims just like Seal did last week.

Joe is obviously a devout red blooded American conservative, but he's smart enough to keep that component of his life secret. He does promote hunting, outdoors living and marijuana, but any high profile person in the media who comes out in support of white people or their country will immediately be shut down, usually by fake accusations of past sexual assaults.

Leftist Zionists? Is that even a thing? Aren't Zionists right wing?

Sold out man...

He has answered your questions and concerns several times now. When he did his scifi show he quickly discovered that all of the great conspiracies and the people that associate with them are either retarded, completely full of shit, or scammers.

Also, mercury in retrograde isn't nonsense? Really?

Lol, I like how OP conveniently forgot to mention that Danica puts high vibrational crystals on her race car at night... but yes, Joe thought she was full of shit because of mercury in retrograde (he did, but there was a lot of stupid shit coming out of her mouth, not just that).

This is the top comment on a conspiracy sub?

I love this idea that people who frequent this sub have to support every conspiracy proposed.

They don't, but the poster has an attitude that is not congruent with the spirit of the sub.

"all of the great conspiracies and the people that associate with them are either retarded, completely full of shit, or scammers."

I never said anything about supporting EVERY conspiracy.

Here is my answer to your unwritten question. I've been thinking a lot lately that most of everything can be explained by criminal levels of incompetence. A conspiracy of deep rooted incompetence, if you will. The google lawsuit, the Hawaii false alarms, and the swatting shooting are some recent smaller examples. Some larger examples include:

• The military: See ships smashing ships into each other, the Syria missile attack where several never reached their target, and the last 20 years in the middle east. Aluminum tubes look like WMDs? Don't double check, must be WMDs!

• Intelligence agencies: If there are massive databases and "lists", and I'm starting to doubt it, they are being used ineffectually; the FBI has to bait people into crimes to catch them and many more terrorist attacks occur than are prevented. Throw the results of the TSA audits in this pile.

I could go on and on. People want to come up with grand conspiracies to explain things and in doing so invent more bullshit than truth. In my mind three things can explain away nearly every conspiracy theory:

• people being retarded/ignorance of facts: accepted age of civilization vs gobekli tepe+100000 year study, for example
• making up facts/completely full of shit: media coverage of politics, for example
• willfully misrepresenting facts for personal gain/scammers: climate change, the paris accord, and $3 billion in payments to foreign counties, for example

You seem fairly invested in your - all conspiracies are down to incompetence - theory that is based on nothing.

I mean you could be correct, you could also be wrong. But I wonder what fills you with the need to type out massive responses like this in a conspiracy sub. I imagine it comes from a desire to convince others to think like you. I wonder why.

Hey man. I agree with you. Its hilarious that a forum dedicated to the discussion of conspiracies is upvoting a post that is quite literally stating that conspiracies don't exist at all.

Sometimes I get hooked into an inane back and forth with some stooge here, get extremely frustrated that this is actually a horrible place to reasonably discuss conspiracies, and then wonder why I'm on reddit at all.

Just wanted to say you aren't alone - there is so much noise here, almost no signal.

Appreciate the post! I usually enjoy the back and forth and rarely get frustrated, if we don't call out the ridiculousness of what we see here, it will be as if we don't exist, and that is what they want.

Are you going shun the non-believers? You know that makes you a cultist right?

Removed. Rule 10. 1st warning.

The stars and planets aren't what we think they are.

He's been different for a long time. He used to doubt any American space project, but now he's in full sellout mode claiming all past space travels as real.

Watch the episode of "Joe Rogan Questions Everything" about UFO's. In the episode Joe is told about how influential people are approached by Intelligence Agencies that show them some of the secrets in trade for their cooperation in being a source of misinformation. Joe looks at the camera and says he would sell out his own grandmother if they approached him and showed him the secrets. Joe is now a government asset. Just look at the way his views suddenly changed regarding UFO's and other conspiracies.

Just look at the way his views suddenly changed regarding UFO's and other conspiracies.

Did you watch the show with Tom Delonge? Because when Tom gets up to show Jamie some shit on the computer Joe is whispering into the headset and making fun of him, saying he doesn't believe shit (Jamie could hear him but Tom couldn't as he wasn't wearing his headphones).

Just look at the way his views suddenly changed regarding UFO's and other conspiracies.

How have they changed? Which ones have changed? I’m curious to see what conspiracy he’s changed his mind on so drastically that people think something is wrong.

He got the CIA phonecall and now tows the party line on every major hoax. I think him getting close to flat earth also made '''them''' nervous because he has a massive audience of already skeptical and vocal listeners.

Toes the party line. Ftfy Great comment btw. I agree

I think him getting close to flat earth also made '''them''' nervous because he has a massive audience of already skeptical and vocal listeners.

He regularly calls flat earthers fucking idiots.

That's right. And he will constantly parrot these CIA-provided mantras that appeal to the conformists egos like 'Yeah I think what it is is that people want to believe it, they want to believe it so badly because it's more exciting'. It's a shame, I used to love JRE. But as with Alex Jones, once they get too big it's either take the CIA money and play ball, or we will sabotage you. An offer they cannot refuse.

Joe was never a big conspiracy theorist. He had people on for fun and interest. For him it was a passing hobby to set him out personally as against the grain. Now that he's famous which he never was in fighting, on TV, or in comedy, he's now pandering to a larger audience.

He's just another guy trying to be perceived as successful imo. Enjoy your podcasts filled with more garbage about how drugs are the key to life.

Now that he's famous which he never was in fighting, on TV, or in comedy, he's now pandering to a larger audience.

You dropped this: /s

He was never an a list celeb. He was moderately famous now he is without a doubt a renowned personality now that mma is huge and so have the types of topics in his podcast covers have hit the mainstream.

Fear factor was never that big. Most people had no idea the host of that was a comedian that's how unknown he is.

Now that he's famous which he never was in fighting, on TV, or in comedy, he's now pandering to a larger audience.

Yeah, who ever heard of Fear Factor? What's the UFC? Do they have any recognizable faces? Also, what kind of losers have multiple Netflix specials? I hear they only give them to homeless people, not celebrities or comics...

Enjoy your podcasts filled with more garbage about how drugs are the key to life.

Oh, I got it, you're afraid of drugs.

Yeah I know tons of people that watch Roegans specials. One of the greats.............

Lmfao that's why they call him the guy from fear factor..... Lmfao.

Do you seriously think drugs are the key to life?

Do you seriously think drugs are the key to life?

Holy shit what is with reddit today?

No, I don't think "drugs are the key to life", which is why I never said that.

I was pointing out that your negativity is capped off with an anti-drug statement, so I assumed your objections stem from the same.

Also, this is you in two comments:

Now that he's famous which he never was in fighting, on TV, or in comedy, he's now pandering to a larger audience.

and

Yeah I know tons of people that watch Roegans specials. One of the greats.............

Lmfao that's why they call him the guy from fear factor..... Lmfao.

I'm done here. No point in defending things I didn't say, while you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

You're inept.

Kill you with kindness,agreement and belief then try to sway your viewers into your real belief when times right.

I don't think he sold out I just think he is a hard centrist on most beliefs he will entertain both sides not really holding any convictions himself. I think that's why his podcast is so popular he can talk to any guest on either side of the spectrum and have a decent discussion with them.

and in the most recent Danica Patrick episode when she was talking about signing a contract during mercury retrograde he went on to say how much nonsense that is.

You mean in the context of when she mentioned putting magic crystals on her race car at night? High vibrational crystals?

God forbid he shoots down that stupid tripe. Must be a shill /s

What the fuck is going on in this sub with everyone parroting the "joe sold out" narrative all of a sudden? Highly suspicious

I agree with you 100% He reminds me of a dumb bro now.

Why so many posts about Rogan today?

Good question.

Joe was never all about the corruption etc. He's always just been a dude.

I don’t think he sold out. I think he became woke and once he realized the conspiracy fame he gained he diverted. He has a family. He specifically said he wants them away from his work.

Leave him alone. Let him live his life without your shit.

i wouldn't be shocked at all if he got threatened after that Alex Jones episode.

If you want to keep raking it in like Joe has been, you have to moderate your views. Used to be a huge fan. Now I only listen once every few months for a particularly good guest.

while i do agree to an extent that Rogan has sold out, I really don't see what choice he has. Are you going to protect him and he family if he covers the wrong truth and get himself into trouble? He is far to popular to talk about anything damaging the elite power structure.

The thing is that you have to understand the danger of influence. Joe Rogan has one of the most listened to radio shows in the world. Just look at what happened to Ben Swann. Saying the wrong thing when you have listeners can have very negative consequences.

read the pied piper

Thought he sold out years ago.

Mick West is an insufferable cunt

His chemtrail debunking was quite humorous. All his facts didn't deny that weather modification may in fact be going on for over a decade now.

He has a new Boss at UFC. WME bought it so that could have something to do with it they could have told him to tone it down.

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Having all your bills paid is berry nice.

seems like alot of Joe Rogan apologists in this thread, sticking up for there boy

Remember the time he used to laugh at the official 9/11 narrative, now he laughs at anyone who thinks it is an inside job

I don't think he sold out, the dude just tries to cover literally every topic. I'm sure if the opportunity for one comes up, he'll talk about one, but he's never been a specifically conspiracy podcast. I know a lot of health nut friends and fitness friends who listen to him, he's got a wide audience. Which is why it's awesome that he talks about those subjects at all. But don't assume that's ever been his focus, for that you should listen to conspiracy specific stuff. I don't really listen to every Rogan podcast, I just pick and choose ones based on the subjects that I'm interested in learning about. I still don't think he's topped his episode about DMT.

You tell us not to assume that's his focus them that you pick and choose certain episodes to watch lol. I've been watching since episode one and was on his forums before that where basically only conspiracy theories and dicks were discussed. He most definitely set himself up as a guy who didn't trust TPTB and was insanely passionate about man having not gone to the moon.he has without a doubt done a 180 with no real explanation as to why. Even his best buddy Eddie Bravo sees it and calls him out on it. Come on man .......

That's just how it seems to me, like I said, I don't listen to all his stuff so I really don't know

He was absolutely either bought out or threatened. Listen to the part of the alex jones podcast where he talks about pizzagate. the guy clearly knows whats up.

ps: eddie bravo if u see this i luv u sm bb

I think he takes a balanced view of things. Prob the best way.

What does Joe believe that even qualifies as a modern, NWO-centric conspiracy theory? Does he stand his ground on anything that a hypothetical cabal of industrialists would not want him broadcasting to 11 million people?

Stoned ape shit and lost civilizations and higher dimensions are cool and all, but relatively risk free to say as a millionaire celebrity podcaster.

Absolutely agree. He has spoken many times about operation northwoods, JFK, tower 7 and the moon landings. Not believing the official narrative. The ones he dismissed are usually the most rediculous ones. Flat earth being one of them.

Exactly, being a pretty regular viewer of his show I don't feel he "sold out" I feel more like he just doesn't believe a lot of things that are purely based upon heresy or conjecture. He still does believe in a lot of different conspiracies that there are actual proof for. He's just logical is all.

Lol, I like how OP conveniently forgot to mention that Danica puts high vibrational crystals on her race car at night... but yes, Joe thought she was full of shit because of mercury in retrograde (he did, but there was a lot of stupid shit coming out of her mouth, not just that).

This is the top comment on a conspiracy sub?

The stars and planets aren't what we think they are.

a lot of people screaming "rogan is a sell out" need to do some growing up on these desperate conspiracies they cling too.

They don't, but the poster has an attitude that is not congruent with the spirit of the sub.

"all of the great conspiracies and the people that associate with them are either retarded, completely full of shit, or scammers."

I never said anything about supporting EVERY conspiracy.

You'll have to give me a TL;DW on that. I'm not watching 18 minutes of video to attempt to figure out what point you are trying to make.

Well none of us will know whether he really did "sell out" or not, but it is obvious for those who have listened to him from the start that he treats conspiracy related topics much more conservatively now. Sure people grow and change their viewpoints, he always stated that, and he's certainly getting old and with family, money and more fame probably just doesn't have the same curiosity he used to have.

Having said that, I personally feel that he is much less perceptive / sharp in his podcasts and less articulate and thoughtful. I almost feel that the onnit and alpha brain crap he's peddling is slowly crippling his cognitive functions.

Also on a side note, some of the comedians who knew Rogan from the old days commented on how Rogan was a huge jerk and bully in the past...so people certainly evolve. Sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse.

Hahhaha what?

You shouldn't be proud of a gold post on /r/conspiracy. It's like the Star of David around here.