How do you distinguish between a brigade and genuine users voicing their view?

Fair point

Truth and love

All the worthless life that has been coming in here to distract us is going to be multiplied 100 fold.

Do NOT let them distract you. They will try and make us fight amongst each other.

Truth and love

It's us vs the pedos and money

Why would we be concerned about it? It's the same partisan hacks alleging the same shit they've been doing for a long time, to no effect. Nunes has been crying about surveillance crimes for an entire year, and yet no actual crimes or evidence possibly suggesting any crimes have been uncovered. This is just him crying even louder. The only concern should be about him trying to obstruct the investigation by attacking the FBI.

If you're here enough, its not hard to tell who's a genuine user and who isn't.

LOL you've no idea who you're talking to.

And just what is that comment supposed to mean?

I've been here for years - So i've been here enough.

And i'm, or was (My attention here has dropped in the past month)... The MOST ACCUSED of being a shill on this entire sub.

So saying that it's not hard to identify genuine users is fucking hilarious. Because in my experience as a heavy user, that's absolute nonsense. The common user here isn't capable of identifying a shill vs a genuine user.

Oh, I accused you of being a shill? Where?

You didn't, just your claim about it "not being hard to tell" is wrong.

It's not if you know what to look for. Looking through your history, I'd call you the "debunker" type. Not a shill. You're not pushing any common narrative throughout multiple threads consistently anywhere.

You're not pushing any common narrative throughout multiple threads consistently anywhere.

Well that's not true.

Anyone that bothered to read my history would know I have a hard-on for space stuff.

So, you're wrong. LOL

To be fair, I only looked at a few pages.

Looking through your history, I'd call you the "debunker" type. Not a shill.

To be fair, I only looked at a few pages.

SOLID ANALYSIS

Well, maybe I'll add arrogant to my analysis then. : )

Sure. I'd rather be arrogant than ignorance.

cough

Now you're calling me ignorant?

Maybe if you stopped treating people like shit for no reason they'd stop calling you a shill.

Just some advice.

That's not a reason to call someone a shill.

Just some advice.

You're not pushing any common narrative throughout multiple threads consistently anywhere.

He is consistently pro-GMO, Pro-don't-question vaccines, no-such-thing-as-chemtrails, pro-mainstream-groupthink in general.

I know he's been a long-time user of this sub, but his contribution to conspiracy discussion is to detract from it. I have no idea why he spends so much time here since conspiracy theory is gently, but consistently, derided in his comments.

Maybe he feels a geniune desire to lead those that have strayed back to mainstream homogeny?

That's goes along with my theory about him seeing himself as a "debunker." The arrogance goes along with that quite well. I'm thinking of the Michael Shermer type.

We'll, yes, you're right.

To his credit, I've never seen him acting in concert with brigaders. Their actions might benefit his own personal crusade so it's easy for him to "look the other way" when they pile in here, but he has always been very polite, civil, and "decent" to people... Which is more than I can say for myself.

I literally just got called a shill for saying maybe some of these people aren't shills. This place is bizarre sometimes.

You get used to it.

Beating a dead horse here, but sometimes what happens when you hit save comes off a bit "in the same basket". Not saying you are or aren't. Being the most accused generally holds at least some truth.

I disagree completely. Even when I was a lurker it was easy enough to remember names of posters and generally what they comment about over time. Conversing in the sub only made the users more familiar. Some may not be paying attention, but I guarantee many others are.

“Don’t you know who I am?!” Lol

/Puffs chest

bruuuh

/Puffs glutes

It becomes really obvious if you've been here a while. At least it is for me.

I've been here for a while...

I've been the #1 most accused-shill on this sub.

So I think I know what i'm talking about when I say the users here CANNOT distinguish between shills and genuine users.

Ok, maybe you can't tell but for me its really obvious. I do have pretty good intuition, and I trust my intuition. Its served me very well.

Your intuition should've known about me then LOL

/Puffs ego

It’s amazing how many people replying to you seem to have selective reading comprehension. They all ignore your point and bring up a straw man. This is actually pretty funny.

What point is that? That he supposedly can't tell when shilling is going on or when there is a brigade, therefore no one can?

His point is very clear to me so it’s astounding so many people are missing it. OP (of this comment chain) gets called a shill on here all the time. It’s documented that users here constantly call him a shill. He’s not a shill. Therefore a large number of people around here can’t distinguish the difference between a shill and not a shill. OP himself is proof of this phenomenon.

OP (of this comment chain) gets called a shill on here all the time.

So we're supposed to just take his word on this? I've been called a shill and a Russian bot, too, that doesn't mean that shills aren't here. There is no point being made. Just that some people call authentic users shills, occasionally.

I really couldn’t care less if you took OP on his word or not because his account history is right there if you want to find out for yourself. No one is asking you to blindly believe what he’s saying, go look for yourself and make your own conclusion. I was just explaining his reasoning to those who couldn’t comprehend what he was saying.

If you have a problem with his argument, take it up with him. I was just acting as an interpreter because so many people were fallaciously attacking his point without refuting it.

Neither one of you are making a cogent point. Maybe that is the problem.

No point in continuing this conversation any further if you’re just going to ignore everything I type. Good luck being willfully irrational.

I didn't ignore it. You are saying his point is that supposedly some people have wrongly accused him of being a shill, therefore some people supposedly can't tell the difference between shills and genuine users.

I'm sure that is true, but I generally can and I'm sure many others can as well. Sometimes its so obvious that wonder how biased some people are to not see it.

If I remember correctly the proper rule is "anyone who disagrees with me is a shill"

That is the patented shill response, for sure.

I thought the patented shill response is "that's an ad hominem, can you actually respond to my argument?"

Good thing you only post new and novel comments every time, unlike those dastardly shills.

You, having been here for years...

...intelligent, observant, and quite clever, know fully the answer to this question.

Feigning ignorance doesn't suit you, Rocky.

Mainstream Media talking points and agendas simply didn't become "popular opinion" here until paid influence reared its ugly head. The brigaded posts and comments take on a very "unreal" feel, wherein the simplest response by someone in the brigade gets a very similar number of immediate upvotes even though the comment may literally make no sense at all or be quite inane. That's the result of a brigade group upvoting and downvoting based soley on username, not on the merit of the content.

It's obvious to most that spent any time here a few years before the election.

Extremely Simplified Example:

B: The government is working in everyone's best interests. (59)

CT: That is obviously and demonstrably not the case. (-32)

B: You've got to be insane if you think that money could influence our great institutions of learning or research... (58)

CT: Did I log in to the wrong sub? (-29)

B: No (60)

CT: I like your handle. (-35)

B: mayonnaise (56)

It has been suspiciously quiet. Usually, I take that to mean they are recalibrating for a new topic.

In 2hrs all the shifts start for the west coast though. That will be telling.

Until then we have the perma-outraged “debunkers”.

They can't decide what to do with the memo though. Saw another thread where you could tell they were confused about what they were supposed to be defending. So, they were just shitting up the sides of whatever people are excited about.

That tells me the contents probably haven't leaked yet.

Yep. There’s a lot of singling out people for personal attack. There’s a definite air of panic right now.

Lol. Project much?

You mean in two hours people from the West coast start waking up and commenting?

Yeah sure ahh...you are implying west coast shills don't exist?

I don't hear from you very often, today is going to be interesting.

I'm implying that maybe they're not shills, just normal people waking up and commenting. I get called a shill for posting around 8am EST, but that's just when I get up. I don't tend to post when I'm asleep, which seems suspect to some people.

And I'm here a fair amount. Not sure why it would matter if I haven't responded to one of your specific comments.

Heh

Wonderful mod behavior here.

Like how we're not talking about the NRA being paid by russians?

Right?

As if the FISA memo story isn’t being spammed and brigaded on here already.

What a great misdirection this post is.

They're really pushing the idea that any dissent is paid for. Today is going to be a complete shit show.

Some dissent is paid for though, do you disagree? Seems like this topic would garner a lot of attention from our paid friends within the threads.

Absolutely. Whenever people preemptively push the idea that all dissenting opinions are paid for is suspect to me though. There should be some room for dissent with any topic.

I haven’t seen what you’re describing. Can you link me to what you’re talking about?

This post is exactly what I'm describing.

"Get ready to be brigaded. Edit: It's already happening."

OP didn’t say they weren’t open to discussion. Just to be prepared for unwavering viewpoints and derogatory rhetoric.

Whenever people preemptively push the idea that all dissenting opinions are paid for

And earlier:

They're really pushing the idea that any dissent is paid for.

That's a serious strawman. Very few people, and no sane people, in this sub actually think that ALL dissenting ideas are paid for.

It would be incredibly foolish, however, to wilfully ignore obvious indications that brigades of people spouting the same talking lines and pushing mainstream groupthink are, indeed, having an undesired and large impact here.

Talking about the fact that it clearly happens shouldnt be immediately greeted with derision and strawman arguments.

If you hang around here enough, you see the trends though. There's a fair number of commenters that will bring up the account age of anyone that disagrees with them, but never do the same for people on their side of the argument.

It really is the case that many people consider disagreement the surest sign of a shill.

Whenever I see shill accusations here I almost always assume it is self projection.

Same as this post. Telling us to be on the lookout for a brigade, that "today will be worse", while in the middle of a brigade that is worse than normal.

Yep.

Been here for years. Trust me, I've seen the trends.

It really is the case that many people consider disagreement the surest sign of a shill.

Repeating a strawman doesn't make it apply to this conversation.

The larger discussion here is about obvious brigades of concerted agenda pushers, not what some extremely small portion of imbalanced individuals think.

Paid Brigades are real. Discussing them is okay, especially on this subreddit. Deal with it.

Paid Brigades are real. Discussing them is okay, especially on this subreddit. Deal with it.

Why are you acting like I'm trying to prevent you from commenting?

Why are you acting like I'm trying to prevent you from commenting?

Why are you insistent on sliding the thread discussion away from the obvious brigades and onto ambiguous shill accusations?

That's a serious strawman. Very few people, and no sane people, in this sub actually think that ALL dissenting ideas are paid for.

Exactly. For example, I typically disagree with /u/Mooseisabitfat. I think many of his opinions sound "pro-Establishment" or whatever you want to call it (no offense). BUT, I don't think he is a shill and that his dissent is paid for (of course you can never be 100% sure).

Its the same thing, when pointing out shill brigades, when "people" replay with "Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill!" Its a classic strawman and I'm sure they know that isn't what we are saying.

Birds of a feather flock together.

So what happens when you have "dissent" before you even have evidence? There are already numerous posters attacking the credibility of the evidence preemptively rather than just waiting.

To me, its really obvious when the paid-for dissent comes through. You get wacky vote patterns with partisan hacks getting tons of upvotes and our regular users getting double-digit downvotes.

When the top comments look indistinguishable from r/politics, and people are preaching about "how this sub looks," "what we should be standing for," "how we are getting a bad reputation," or how "this sub has become T_D2.0."

The memo is covered in something like eight of the front page posts at the moment. This sub is definitely being brigaded, but not by who you're claiming. Nothing has even come out yet. People are quoting a literal Trump super pac and a host of republican politicians.

The vote-bot farms are changing shifts right now in eastern Europe and Russia. They had to get as many straw men propped up before they go home to their families. Considering how little traction the NRA scoop got yesterday in this sub you'd think the amount of self victimizing wouldn't be needed. The only real conspiracy discussions allowed are the ones that fit the golf emperor's agenda. Check /r/conspiracy/controversial for the rest.

This right here - Any time something happens to discredit the powers Trump, we IMMEDIATELY see something hit the news to distract from it. And this sub, which has become an extension of T_D blows up. The NRA story takes the Russia scandal to a new height, so they're scrambling. It's time to give up the idea that Donny is taking on the deep state, 'cause that boy is neck deep in it.

Also to distract from the government shut down that foxnews is currently blaming on the democrats while they’re fans lap that horseshit right up

But Hillary is a criminal! We need to get her out of the white house before she can do any more damage!!

I’ve definitely seen what you’re stating in multiple threads. Is that a brigade?

You caught me. I'm a brigade!

Quick, bury your head in the sand and screech!

I’m trying to open a dialogue, but you’ve been posting what seems to be a meme? Not sure how the conversation can progress.

Would you kindly explain what 'meme' I have posted?

Also, I've been wondering what the difference is between a meme and a post to social media that is read by other humans. I'm not sure that there is one. If there were, it would be based upon an arbitrary threshold.

Stating that “HRC should be impeached!” is the meme I’m referring to. It’s been a talking point/meme for weeks now. Was just wondering what your intention with your comment was.

It's supposed to make fun of Trump fanboys who try to deflect everything bad that comes out about him with 'What about Hilary!' even after she lost the election, you can specially see it on this sub whenever something bad comes out about Trump a bunch of 'Buttery Males' and 'Hilary satanic cult leader!' posts come up.

This is supposed to make OP’s point, whatever that may be, stronger? It has the opposite effect as far as I’m concerned.

It's a joke.

That’s what I’m getting at though..why is it all a joke?

The joke is that some folks seem to focus on it and use it as an excuse to allow an actual criminal to actually be in power.

.... ??? .....

The aristocrats!!!!

I want to root out all of the corruption in our political system.

Me too. ✊

No matter what happens, that memo is on field and nothing can change that. Maybe it'll be done above the board, but I don't have that kind of faith in these animals. Team red won't pass up a good stab at team blue, and neither team really wants to stop spying on us. I think this going to get leaked, surely to Wikileaks and certainly with in the next few days. Then wile we're all bickering about the memo's content, Trump is going to slap the final signature on FISA. Then both teams are going to turn around and use their renewed super spy powers to come down hard on "those dangerous, and treasonous leakers and also Russa somehow", because "this should have been done by congress." even though neither team can accomplish anything that doesn't fuck over everyone else. My prediction is that this will be the thing that brings down Wikileaks and both teams will come out looking clean at the end.

Team red and team blue is such a perfect description. I'm stealing it if you don't mind.

Please do. I'm hoping it will catch on.

Not only that, but the stakes are being set for what they expect this memo release to accomplish. I've seen comments and articles claim the release will:

• Reshape the DOJ and FBI

• Remove many politicians

• Remove Rod Rosenstein

• End Mueller investigation

• Put Hillary in jail

• Put Bill in jail

• Put Susan Rice in jail

When it's unlikely that any one memo will accomplish any of this. A memo may hurt. It may direct an investigation. But it's not going to vastly change how the DOJ or FBI operate.

The problem with these claims, is that when it doesn't happen, people will claim it's all rigged and the entire thing will continue to support their own narrative that everything i listed is evil and corrupt but can't ever face any consequences. Even though no one memo is going to implicate all those things, and put away every right wing enemy and end any investigation that may involve any right wing figures.

The memo is only 4 pages, too. How the hell is a 4 page memo going to achieve all that?

Yeah, and one written by a guy who is openly opposed to every single one of the things mentioned?

It would be like saying a memo written by Hillary Clinton will bring down Donald Trump.

Would it? Or would it more likely just be something that confirms the beliefs of everyone who already disliked him?

Nope. Any real evidence is going to come from inside the party responsible. DNC evidence is going to come from inside. Trump campaign evidence is going to come from inside.

Not some memo written by an opposition party member.

It’s a new story. Why is that a brigade? You must be pretty popular around here, because your posts seem to have a large amount of upvotes at odds with the rest of the comments in the thread quickly after posting.

It's a new story with zero real information. Having eight front page posts about it is absurd. The only thing we have is a Trump super pac and a host of republican politicians saying there's damning info.

Perhaps we should let others decide for themselves before screaming in people’s faces about how “none of this is real!”.

People are really trying to misunderstand what I'm saying today. The info we have at the moment is that a memo exists. We have Dems saying it's misleading and Republicans saying it's worse than Watergate. That's all we have at the moment. The memo is real. The contents might be real. But we don't know anything yet, so why are there already a dozen posts about it?

It’s just today that people are confused by your incessant posting? I find that hard to believe. There are several posts because it’s a new story..

I understand why multiple posts come out of new stories. This one is strange to me because we don't have any actual information yet.

And I'm usually fairly quiet here, especially lately. Not really incessant. Thanks for randomly throwing that in though. Not sure why people resort to that sort of thing.

I’ve seen your name quite a bit over time and it seems your point of view is mostly in line with what the MSM is narrating. My subjective opinion of course, but there you have it. I’m being direct with you; different from deragatory or derailing, but I’m not trying to muddy the waters within the conversation.

I'm sure you've seen many names frequently on here. And I do challenge some of the narratives pushed here. People seem to be extremely uncomfortable with that. The MSM isn't always wrong, so sometimes I'll agree with them.

Yeah over time it’s possible to tell what the different users in this sub are all about/interested in. I’m uncomfortable with your unwavering viewpoints, yes. You seem to almost always agree with the MSM, which also makes me uncomfortable.

makes me uncomfortable.

Cognitive bias will do that.

How am I biased though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Here bud, educate yourself.

Are OP’s unwavering viewpoints objective though?

I’ve seen your name quite a bit over time and it seems your point of view is mostly in line with what the MSM is narrating.

Yup he should've waited for official confirmation posts from Anon at 4chan right?

I try to collect information from a wide variety of sources. Shamelessly parroting MSM talking points is something I don’t understand at all in a conspiracy sub, or any sub for that matter.

Either way.. You've been pretty active in those eight brigaded threads, there buddy. If it's all team red's fault then why do you feel the need to feed the trolls?

I'm sure this sub is brigaded by both left and right groups. This particular topic is pretty obviously being inorganically pushed by someone. And this is an interesting topic. That's why I'm responding to people about it.

I don't think it's being pushed. I've been in this sub a long time, and this is the sort of shit we'll always talked about. If any one is brigading it, it's the people trying to shut us up.

Any day now pedes..I mean fellow conspiracy theorists!

If there’s something to it, I would hope we all accept it and process it rationally. But already the hot thread is overwhelmed with spammed reposts of the story and the comments are filled with blindly supportive (ie anti-dem, etc) cheerleading and an equal measure of blindly dismissive (ie anti-repub, etc) cheerleading.

What we should really be prepared for today is yet another round of partisan bullshit overtaking the sub. Your post isn’t really helping in that regard.

The day I trust msnbc or cnn to tell the truth I’ve lost it

The day I trust Hannity or fox to tell the truth I’ve lost it

All good mate, cheers.

Step 1: know there will be brigades of some sort from both sides.
Step 2: don't get hooked in by the partisan shit from either side.
Step 3: above all, focus on the information itself.

step 3 seems kind of hard when no one knows anything about it though...

Well when it comes out, that is.

wanting to see the memo is not pro-R or anti-Dem though. I feel like people are confusing that

Agreed. I’m not for the two party system at all. Just want transparency.

That is if they truly give a hoot about we the people and their own government.

Mr. Fredo, you already know they don't.

Best case scenario they blackmail democrats and shift the balance of power further towards the right in preparation for The Democrat's next win, so neither side gets too powerful.

I'm all for change, I just know it's not going to happen, and if it does, it sure as shit isn't going to start with career politicians from the republican party disclosing classified documents.

this is so lame, i'm willing to bet my house against your $100.

bloody larpers.... pathetic

Put up or shut up then. I'll take that property from you.

wanting to see the memo is not pro-R or anti-Dem though. I feel like people are confusing that

I'm still waiting on CNN to give me permission.

is jake tapper under your bed too?

he says if i read anything on r/conspiracy he is going to touch my large cheese pizza

I'm more of a hotdog person myself.

Can combine explain to me what this memo supposedly contains? All I've heard and seen is partisan bs about whose to blame and who is going to look good or bad blah blah. What is the memo even about?

no one really knows, it's all speculation, but based on the comments we have got from people that have seen it it appears its about Democratic corruption regarding the integrity of the election

Thank you, seems like a lot of posts filling up the sub before anyone even knows what's going on. Seems like astroturfing to me

i think it's a combo of that and excitement in the Republican party having some ammo now

Sounds interesting. Can't wait for the release, thanks for the info

No, the speculation is this has to do with extralegal surveillance of the Trump Transition team. Your post is indicative of the exact purpose of this astroturfed #releasethememo campaign: disinformation.

Except it's a memo written by Nunes who is known to be a partisan hack.

the talking points have arrived

It's a fact. It's not a talking point.

whatever you say 1 month

wanting to see the memo is not pro-R or anti-Dem though.

Yes or no. Is Nunes a republican?

facts are facts remember? .

Yes or no. Is Nunes a republican?

facts are facts. you said it yourself. who wrote them memo doesn't matter. facts are non partisan

facts are facts. you said it yourself.

What are you talking about? I never said that.

who wrote them memo doesn't matter.

Why wouldn't it matter who wrote the memo? Especially if it's a republican who has been doing everything he can to derail this whole investigation to the point where he had to temporarily recuse himself.

Why wouldn't it matter who wrote the memo?

because facts are facts

Not if the person who wrote the memo lies in the memo and purposely leave out relevant information and context.

So you are claiming before even knowing what the memo says that it's full of lies. That's fascinating. I guess you need to have a way to dismiss it just in case it's damning in any direction.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if it's something stupid that we already knew, such as the idea that the FISA court just approves literally everything that's put in front of them with no regard for quality of evidence. It's already known they've only rejected a handful out of thousands.

No I'm saying that Nunes is known to lie and mislead in order to further partisan hackery in regards to the Russian investigation. He was the sole person who wrote memo, and the memo is not a fact if it's just his partisan hackery spin on the source evidence.

The memo isn't facts, it references other classified documents that are not included in #releasethememo

But he didn't write the report, which the memo is from.

So it has to have validity, because there are people who can obviously look at both. They need to release the entire report.

True, although I'd like to see more than just the memo. The memo could be a blatant lie. I want to see the documents. Declassify those please.

personally I would just rather see the actual info behind the memo. The memo is a written analysis by Nunes to explain the confidential info. I dont need it thru the lens of Nunes, just give me the data. But I doubt that will happen in any way

Propping it up as if it will substantive is definitely pro-R bullshit. Remember Nunes's last dramatic press conference about surveillance abuse? He talked about all the illegal activity he'd discovered in terms of unmasking?

And then other lawmakers saw those same documents and said there was literally no wrongdoing there. It was just bullshit, and nothing came of it, because Nunes was lying in order to destroy the House investigation. He's still doing the exact same fucking thing. You have to be especially gullible or a partisan hack in order to think that his latest escapade is worthwhile.

It's frustrating that we've already hit this stage of the story on r/conspiracy. We've gone from discussing the subject to meta posts whining about brigades, but we've still seen nothing of what's actually in the memo.

We've seen nothing but spin from various politicians and the front page is dominated by the story, but still we have posts like this whining that people are saying things they don't like about it.

Oh, and add in the classic "look at this brigade" when people start posting at normal waking hours for the US.

You mean anti-NWO.

I agree with both Dems and GOP about release the memo, put up or shut up. This should be the only reply to anyone about it.

so then who do you trust as a news source?

Yeah, I'd like to know if op seriously cannot accept any news as being truthful.

You live in some kind of fantasy land? Do you use evidence of this brigading or does it just make your part more edgy that you have confirmed something your part is warning about? This memo thing is probably just a distraction but you eat it up so nicely and call people who don't see it as a big deal as brigading. Not everyone is you and just because many people don't share your enthusiasm for this memo does not mean so evil power is brigading. Put up or shut up the evidence of brigading.

So I guess that means putting up is out of the question?

It’s already begun. The voting anomalies in the threads are outrageous.

It won't be covered until this shutdown nonsense is pushed aside. If at all.

Notice how most of the comments are deflecting, attacking OP, attacking the source, attacking this sub, attacking conspiracies, or trying to derail the conversation to Trump/T_D.

Also notice how a lot of the comments are about suddenly not believing conspiracies and only accepting official news outlet stories.

"Organic"

Here is a quote with a source:

Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT): “To be very clear, I’m not casting a wide net across the FBI,” the Utah Republican said backing up.”They are dedicated public servants. We’re talking about a few individuals in very senior leadership positions.”

Chris Cuomo: “It is being pitched as something that will bring down the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton,” a deadpan Cuomo quipped.

Rep. Chris Stewart (R-UT): “I think that’s rather dramatic,” a nonplussed Stewart replied. “I don’t think that’s the outcome from this.”

It's literally a meta-post saying "oh no, the shills are coming!", and you are upset that the most common comments are about OP's validity or the validity of shill accusations?

A not insignificant number of NorthBlizzard's comments are this exact one, copy/pasted into any relevant thread.

I kinda figured, but stooping to their level of accusations is how they win.

Thanks for the heads-up. :)

Like. We need the whole sub devoted to fisa posts. There is the first brigade. Now anyone pushing back against it will be included in the second brigade. And when the mods try to merge the redundant threads, a bunch of people will cry censorship.

One of the most dangerous lines of thinking the liberals promote is that 'everybody is doing it, it's not just us'. They impose the idea that both parties are equally corrupt as a manner of scapegoating and deflection from their overt criminality. The con is all about personal enrichment, and consistently liberals come into power poor and come out rich without jobs while conservatives go into power rich and come out of power only to continue working. This is the true pattern and Democrats do everything in their power to obfuscate this fact. Hell, Ron Paul doubled his net worth in 2011 from $2 million to almost $5 million on a government et salary - Warren Buffet would be impressed.

LOL the only brigade here is people like you.

Fake news.

Call me when Hillary is in prison big guy.

I'll be holding my breath!

Stop spreading disinfo, holding your breath is not dangerous aside from briefly passing out after a while ;)

What does it say?

Do any senators know? I thought it was the usual R House guys that get outraged over everything.

But there are plenty of people here claiming it's a BOMBSHELL!

How do they know?

How do you know that it's significant?

Nine out of the top ten stories in /r/conspiracy are about the memo. It's trending worldwide on Twitter, despite the fact that only a handful of people in one country have even seen the thing.

And you think that it's being suppressed?! If anything, it's being artificially promoted. Jesus, this sub.

Artificially? The masses are interested and MSM is silent. This reads grassroots to me.

The masses of twitterbots worldwide are interested, yes.

For the record, Hillary is a perfect angel and she and other people could in no way have set the deck against Trump (like him or not). Hillary is totally gracious and lost with dignity and would never use the levers of deep state power to seek revenge and undermine her opponent. She would never, never ever do that.

She's awesome. My check from David Brock comes Tuesday.

Brigades are already upon FISA posts.

So youre telling me that talking about the largest political scandal of our life times and a literal conspiracy using weaponized intelligence agencies to undermined a sitting US President is brigading?

LOL

I can always tell from the amount of Post Votes v Comments.

We'll be ready!

They've arrived in this post already. Always look out for those posts having a high number of points and the classical point-by-point debunking comment. Then scroll down and find comments by real folks.

I just want to point out that there are subs that actively brigade /r/conspiracy.

/r/SubredditDrama is an anti-Trump sub. If you subscribe to /r/The_Donald, then you will only be able to comment every 10 minutes in that sub.

I know for a fact they brigade this sub.

This is on the front page and links directly to a post on this sub:

https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/7rbimy/a_person_in_rconspiracy_asks_something_to_its/

with direct links to /r/conspiracy comments in the summary.

I don't understand where all of the anti-Trump users came from in this community. Before the election and shortly after this community was like a small version of /r/The_Donald. why don't the Hillary fans go join /r/Hillary_Clinton ? That sub has 132 subscribers.

I don't understand where all of the anti-Trump users came from in this community. Before the election and shortly after this community was like a small version of /r/The_Donald. why don't the Hillary fans go join /r/Hillary_Clinton ? That sub has 132 subscribers.

You don't understand why all of a sudden Anti-Trump conspiracies would be more popular on /r/conspiracy, post-election, when the Trump Administration took office and begun to hold authority?

No, it is artificial for a sub to make a 180 degree chance in majority opinion over night.

The same thing happened in /r/politics right after the DNC and celebration of the candidate.

Unless you are going to be snide and play dumb, we know it was Share Blue taking over /r/politics.

The same dam thing happened in here after Brocke announced a team dedicated to impeaching Trump. The narrative of the community did a 180 overnight.

I've already seen the shills at work. Bright and early and release the memo, cunts.

As of right now, the top 8 posts on this sub are about an unreleased memo that Republicans claim will be the end of the Democrats. It has not leaked, the only people so far claiming it is damaging are those with reason to be dishonest.

Is that the brigading you are talking about? I agree, seems excessive to have that many posts on an unreleased memo.

We are on a conspiracy subreddit and you are taking the word of politicians at face value. Saying "consider the source" is not only reasonable, it's a talking point pushed to an absurd degree on here, yet apparently saying maybe Republican politicians are playing partisan games is "sticking to the party line".

I have no time for people who can't think at all, but enjoy your agenda pushing.

Since when are politicians trustworthy in the least?

This is just stupid.

obligatory

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Only 3600 people on... Doesn't look like any brigades mate.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY

How can anyone undermine this sub? It's full of cranks and kooks even on a good day.

The only thing anyone could possibly notice would be a higher volume of shit spewing.

Yeah over time it’s possible to tell what the different users in this sub are all about/interested in. I’m uncomfortable with your unwavering viewpoints, yes. You seem to almost always agree with the MSM, which also makes me uncomfortable.

I don't think it's being pushed. I've been in this sub a long time, and this is the sort of shit we'll always talked about. If any one is brigading it, it's the people trying to shut us up.

A not insignificant number of NorthBlizzard's comments are this exact one, copy/pasted into any relevant thread.

the talking points have arrived

Not if the person who wrote the memo lies in the memo and purposely leave out relevant information and context.

No, it is artificial for a sub to make a 180 degree chance in majority opinion over night.

The same thing happened in /r/politics right after the DNC and celebration of the candidate.

Unless you are going to be snide and play dumb, we know it was Share Blue taking over /r/politics.

The same dam thing happened in here after Brocke announced a team dedicated to impeaching Trump. The narrative of the community did a 180 overnight.

The memo isn't facts, it references other classified documents that are not included in #releasethememo

I'm more of a hotdog person myself.

But he didn't write the report, which the memo is from.

So it has to have validity, because there are people who can obviously look at both. They need to release the entire report.