Psychadelics, yes. You take mushrooms one time and you'll know that there is more to life than working 9 to 5. Marijuana, possibly. I know, initially, it was banned because of ability to threaten the textile industry. It also has many positive effects on your mental state and alters your way of thinking, usually for the better.
Specifically Dupont and their line of business selling newspaper to Europe. Hemp paper became more popular and the secretary of the treasury was heavily invested in them.
I don't know if that was the intent of the invention and I'm not who you asked, but if you get the chance read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." In it he has copies of a share-holder's report issued by DuPont basically saying they were going to make a lot of money becasue of changes they managed certain branches of government to make to certain laws. Believe it was blatantly referring to their nylon invention wiping out hemp being used as rope.
In DuPont’s 1937 Annual Report to its stockholders, the company strongly urged continued investment in its new, but not readily accepted, petrochemical synthetic products. DuPont was anticipating “radical changes” from “the revenue raising power of government … converted into an instrument for forcing acceptance of sudden new ideas of industrial and social reorganization.” *
Sure thing. If you read the entire chapter, and consider this report came out the year they criminalized cannabis, I think you may reconsider. But, perhaps not. It's not my mission to convince anyone, just share info :)
And because it was an easy excuse to arrest minorities in the 20s and 30s. I don’t think “the system” fights counterculture as much as it did back then, but it’s the root of the perpetuation of those laws, which just become false facts to a lot of people still to this day.
People keep repeating this argument as if black people are forced to sell drugs. Poverty is not an excuse to break the law. No one is crying for the white meth cooks because they were just trying to make money. Stop trying to twist everything into white on black injustice. Arresting criminals for committing crimes is not racist.
It doesn’t. But “blacks and hippies” were the ones using it the most before it was made illegal. So they were using it to make money before it was illegal.
And white guys were using insider information to trade stocks before it was illegal. Now that it is illegal do you think the SEC is racist for arresting them?
What the actual fuck are you talking about? You certainly can and this country certainly was, along with most. But fine close your ears and shout curse words. Seems to be doing you well.
This country was built on the feeling you get when someone is looking at the back of your head. And if you can't see that you are just willfully blind.
This country was built on the ground. That’s about it. Maybe some random thoughts from a few choice people but nothing significant enough to last outside of the constitution and now we just try and think about what they meant when they wrote it.
That is an ignorant reductionist view that does not reflect reality.
First, the Natives lived in tribal hunter gatherer communities, in tent "cities". If everything the settlers had was stolen from the Natives they would have tents.
Second, conquering someone does not make you a racist in any kind of meaningful definition of the word. By the idiotic way liberals use it literally everything is racist. You are racist. It means nothing.
Third, slavery existed sine before written language. Blacks enslaved other blacks and traded them to whites for guns. Were the blacks racist? Your logic eats itself. Slavery is not done because of racism.
This country was built by the blacksmiths, the leather tanners, the craftsmen, the loggers, the farmers etc. That slave labor was used in some industries does not mean America was built by slaves. It is only by brainwashing that people swallow that drivel.
Phew you are beyond reasoning with, you have drank the partisan Kool aid and are neck deep in identity politics. Black people where and still are discriminated against, Rosa parks and Martin Luther King don't ring a bell?
Umm... no this has nothing to do with black people. Psychoactive marijuana (aka nothemp) was essentially non-existent before large numbers of South American immigrants brought their harmless pastime with them. Marijuana was then criminalized for many reasons like threatening textiles and other industries. It was also worked into the anti-immigrant rhetoric with claims that it would make black people and Mexicans into crazed white-women-raping lunatics. Just look at some of the propaganda from when prohibition began, it certainly has a racist bent.
Stop trying to pretend that institutionalized racism did not and does not exist. Stop acting like the government has the right to control the people's choice to alter their consciousness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
Institutional racism is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Institutional racism is also racism by individuals or informal social groups, governed by behavioral norms that support racist thinking and foment active racism. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice ...
If only you could copy and paste the understanding of a concept into your brain.
The only government programs that are racially biased are biased in favor of minorities and especially blacks. So of course institutional racism exists.
The only private racist programs that are allowed are those which benefit minorities.
If I try and walk through a black neighborhood at night I would get attacked because I am white. I know racism exists and in certain neighborhoods it is just part of the culture.
I am not the one pretending that institutional racism does not exist. You are.
lolwut?
We're talking about the beginning of marijuana laws and who was affected by it. At that time people who used marijuana were more likely to be black or Hispanic.
Someone made the comment that those people broke the law. Well, it's a stupid law and it is and always has been applied more towards people of color. For example making rock cocaine "crack" a much more sever offense than powdered cocaine at a time when whites were using a lot of cocaine, but in powder form, is a form of institutional racism.
This really isn't about your hypothetical walk through a black neighborhood.
That's the liberal porridge you have been fed by public education system run by untraliberals. The evidence for that is far from conclusive, the conclusions are a stretch, and any critical examination is crushed by SJWs.
There is a lot more to the war on drugs than racism. And when your agenda is to find racism you find it everywhere and it is the cause of everything.
the policies that [Nixons] administration implemented as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 were a continuation of drug prohibition policies in the U.S., which started in 1914.
Is it racism all the way down, or do you think maybe there is more to it than that?
So your argument is “don’t you think there is more to it?” I’m not saying it’s the only reason, so don’t insinuate that I was saying that. Your second argument is false equivalence/fallacious, try again.
So when people say "drugs are banned as a way to arrest black people" do you say "no, that is just one reason"? Fuck no you don't. You tell the libtard that said that they are right.
Every country in the world has banned drugs. Therefore it is absolutely absurd to think drugs would not be banned in the US if it were not for racism. That is not a false equivalence, it is logic.
If drugs would be banned in the US even if there were no racism then how the fuck do you go around saying that racism is the reason for drug laws?
Every country in the world has not banned drugs. Do you just make shit up to suit your worldview? It’s false equivalence because different countries ban different drugs for different reasons and to assert them at they all do it for the same (non racists of course) reasons is absurd. Your last paragraph is asking about a hypothetical situation and has no relevance to this in any way.
Here we go again, a liberal using an exception to a rule to argue that the rule does not exist. Effectively every country in the world has banned drugs.
They don't all have different reasons. They ban drugs because drugs are bad. They get people addicted, destroy their lives, and cause them to cause a lot of damage to their communities and families. That is not absurd. Frankly if you really think that you are retarded.
I’m not a liberal so you can knock that shit off right now. Your only arguments have been fallacious. You’ve offered no counter point to anything I’ve said other than your personal opinions. Not all the same drugs are illegal everywhere, so your argument falls apart on that basis. You insinuate that because most countries ban some really bad drugs that means all countries ban all drugs which is just flat out untrue.
This quote works so well for you because it confirms your bias. But if you could step back for a second and realize that this one man does not control everyone or speak for everyone you might actually understand how weak this evidence is.
My argument was never that there were not a lot of people who supported this legislation on the basis that it would justify arresting blacks. Neither of us knows how prevalent that idea was, though you may think you do. My argument is that when the law was passed no one was forced to break it.
Do you think importing literal tons of coke and selling it to minorities is racist. What about doing that then removing the right to vote for a felon ?
You’re right but that’s still a cop out. Something being legal or illegal is no judgement of right or wrong. The legal system doesn’t dictate morality. You have this backwards
You think history class can show that blacks should be allowed to commit crimes? Or are you so stupid that you think once selling weed became illegal blacks had no choice but to continue and get arrested?
When I smoke cigys my lungs shut up immediately I have to go to hospital and have been to intensive care as a kid many times for being around second hand smoke.. Although when I was late teens I got into chop bongs tobacco and weed through being shouted them free not getting any respitory effect and slowly getting addicted to tobacco.. To this day 10 years later I smoke a cigy I'm in hospital I go in a car ride with a mate that smokes with all windows open and hang my head put the window I'll be in hospital condition but treat myself with prednisone cause that's all they fkn do.. But I can smoke a half ounce of weed with a full pack of ciggerettes in 1 day and not get any negative effect even makes me cough out shot and breathe better after as if the tobacco wasn't there, somehow the weed makes my body tolerate tobacco.. Has anybody done a study into this because I would really love to know how to explain this to people cause I have had 100+ intense arguments with people not to smoke near me cause it kills me so fast I will no longer let anybody smoke near me no matter how kunty they are, They always argue the point but u smoke weed? Immediately I think are you fking retarded weed doesn't have 100s of unnatural chemicals in it!!!! Argument over! But I've course they go on and on and try sneak one up anyway sick of fighting over something I know as fact that they don't know anything about, and Ive argued points to people of all age groups proffesions it gets intense when they've seen me have a chop bong which I am not addicted to anymore but enjoy, but the argument still doest make sense they can't understand that smoke weed with a little tobacco through water effects the body different than 2nd hand smoke and smoking cigys through a filter, I don't know the science behind it, I have tried looking into it can't find anything. But it makes sense doesn't it? I understand the hypocritical part of it which pushed people to argue into fights etc but what aboutbthe science so incan put people in their place.
Since THC levels in marijuana has increased 25-fold since 1970, they are likely being cautious. They see smoking weed lowers sperm count, and always that Women intending to get pregnant should avoid it altogether.
"Non-maternal Cannabinoids are proven to alter the uptake of folic acid, which is important for normal growth and development of the placenta and the embryo. A deficiency in folic acid can cause low birth weight, increase the risk of spontaneous abortion and neural tube defects like spina bifida."
“All of the model systems point to the notion that cannabinoids affects many aspects of human development because THC alters molecular pathways that shouldn’t be disrupted during development of a fetus”
Recreational pot is what they don't want, basically.
Yup how many pounds would you have to smoke in 15minutes to die from it? Yet most us remember a time we drank and are surprised we didn't die or get ourselves killed.
I don't know, in my experience after a long tolerance break, when I smoke or eat edibles the weed provides deep thought provocation. It's pretty spiritual to me at that point vs everyday smoking. I ate edibles once and I swear it was crazy as hell. I contemplated allot that day of life. If you have never ate good edibles please try?
It is wayyy different than smoking in my experience
Yep. And a lot of people overlook the fact that cannabis is actually classed as a psychedelic, albeit a mild one. I've had some profound realizations when under the influence of it, breakdowns of regressive thought models instilled by society, an increase in childlike wonder, curiosity, ego-loss, empathy, deep self-examination, etc. All the type of stuff that you get tenfold from the stronger psychedelics.
What are people meaning about breakdowns of regressive thought models?
Is thinking with weed better than thinking deeply without it? Or would the governments scare be that it is more likely to think in general.
Also, I've read things about meditation techniques and thought without needing drugs. Some opinions I see make it seem like you can't think deeply without weed, but there are examples of non productive citizens that smoke alot of weed.
From my experience, you grow up in a certain culture, era, society, etc., and you are kind of indoctrinated from an early age with your culture's values and assumptions. So, being born in hyper-consumerist late 20th-century America, I was kinda programmed to view my fellow humans as competitors, and to place importance on superficial/material things like money, "cool" clothes, flashy possessions, social status, etc. Mainstream American culture is generally very shallow, materialist, and just spiritually bankrupt. We are expected to accept things like war, poverty, inequitable class divisions, etc. as natural and inevitable parts of life. Psychedelics just make it easier to see how all of this shit is ultimately an empty construct that has been foisted upon us, and that our species is capable of so much better.
The thing about psychedelics is, they don't really give you anything that isn't already there inside you. They just make it easier to access these deeper levels of thought and experience. I believe that even the Greek etymology of the word "psychedelic" is roughly "mind-discovery." So you're really just discovering latent parts of your own mind and reality (as opposed to other drugs like alcohol, benzos, opiates, cocaine, etc. that are more about getting "fucked up" and making yourself temporarily oblivious to reality).
"Under the definitions strict of marijuana and psychedelics, they are two different substances not chemically related. Their actions in the body are different as are their effects on the body. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Drug Enforcement Administration, they are two different classes of drug."
No, I mean psychedelic. It shares enough qualities and effects with the "major psychedelics" to easily be considered a milder relative, which is why it is often included in full lists of psychedelic substances. The main (almost only) difference is that it isn't much of a hallucinogen (although even this has its exceptions, as many people can and have experienced slight visual distortions/closed-eye visuals from cannabis).
I've done all of the major ones, other than peyote/mescaline. Mostly LSD and mushrooms, but did do DMT once. Mushrooms being my personal favorite. You?
Acid 20 or so, shrooms around 5, DMT countless times, Salvia 3 or 4.
DMT is my total favourite not just because of the experience but because it's a 30 minute love affair, not a full day then a night laying awake trying to sleep while your bones ache.
I'm not sure if I could ever commit to another acid/shroom trip again, but I'd do DMT right now if I was given the opportunity.
I'd love to try DMT again. Mushrooms completely changed my entire personality and outlook on life. I haven't tripped in like two years or something, but as I'm sure you know, the experiences stay with you long after the actual psychoactive effect is over. It's beautiful stuff, and gives me hope for humanity's future.
I haven't tripped in 20 years or so... apart from DMT.
I had a ton of the stuff a couple of years ago... somehow manged to find 3 vendors on clearnet selling it very cheap... my last purchase was 5g for £100 delivered. I kid you not.
Had so much I was paranoid keeping it in my house so tried to use it all up but, after trying it once, all my friends were reluctant to do it again. When it was finally gone all 3 vendors stopped replying to emails so that was that. I haven't found it since and the forum where I found the vendors has since been closed.
Yeah. I think back to my younger days when I first got really stoned, and it really was very much a mind-blowing, psychedelic experience. It's not as pronounced now (probably because I'm more habitualized to it from frequent casual use), but it still manages to take me by surprise all the time with deep shifts in perception. I think that's one of the main things that sets psychedelics (and I'm including weed in this) apart from like every other drug is that they are not nearly as predictable. Like for instance, when you drink a bunch of liquor or pop some pain pills, you pretty much know EXACTLY what the experience is going to be like, you know exactly how you're going to feel. But psychedelics are continually surprising, and you never quite know exactly where the experience will take you. Which is why one day you might smoke some weed and have a really mellow, laid-back experience, and then the next day you might smoke and feel all unsettled or paranoid or whatever. One of many characteristics weed shares with its stronger "major psychedelic" relatives.
Some weed is actually within the psychedelic spectrum. Its rare but when I first started using it, I got heavy visual trips similar to that of what shrooms give. I've also talked and met people who can't smoke weed because they have scary trips on it every time.
The saying is is that, "You go into a trip with everything that you bring with you."
When you have a panic attack or a terror reaction while on marijuana, it is because you have anxiety issues, worries, concerns, and stress that you have not addressed.
If you use the way marijuana affects you to build up that panic and make it visible to you, if you would address the core of the issue during the trip you can transform a bad experience/panic attack/whatever into a freeing and liberating emotional event.
You just have to have a heart that's bigger than your fear to do it.
While what you say is true in some cases, many people simply don't respond well to cannabis and it isn't necessarily a reflection of their issues, we're just made differently. I agree that a panic or terror reaction while on marijuana could be because of anxiety issues, worries, etc., but I commonly see people with all sorts of fear and unresolved issues smoking weed and feeling fine, and plenty of people who have done a lot of work on themselves suffering from adverse effects while high.
I don't have any particular reason to be all panicky. In fact, people typically say that I'm a very analytical and rational person, so the idea of me freaking out and getting emotional is hard for them to understand sometimes.
I think weed makes your personality a bit more malleable, and for some people that's great and for others it's horrible, I suppose.
I'm not sure which side I land on, but I do try to use it as a tool and not as a crutch.
I have had several panic attacks both on weed and when perfectly normal.
I can't promise that this works for everyone, but for me, taking the panic (when I have a specific thing that's causing the panic) and addressing it, taking it to its logical conclusion and deciding what my reaction to that conclusion will be showed it actually manifest seems to help.
That seems a little vague so maybe a scenario will help.
For instance, I have had panic attacks thinking that my friends are somehow out to get me in some way, (this is definitely a paranoia type event, pretty common with marijuana).
So I decided that if they were going to try to "get" me then they weren't my friends, but since I could not actually pinpoint the method in which they were going to "attack" me in this panic scenario I had created, then in response to that, I would be the kind of person who, if they did actually decide to attack me or get me in this paranoia situation, that they would become quantitatively worse people for actually executing their attack.
So I responded to the fear of the paranoia of the panic attack by saying that I would show love, care and consideration to them in the mean time; to be an honest and true friend to my friends.
Then if they actually chose to hurt me (or whatever my unrealized fear was), then I could write them off with a clean conscience knowing that I had done everything I could to give them no reason whatsoever to turn on me.
And that decision allowed me to unravel the fear that had gripped my heart and the panic attack went away.
As a unexpected side effect of this choice, I have actually sort of developed a much better friendship with my friends.
I truly believe that whatever that fear was came from an insecurity I had about my role relationship with my friends. And working through that gave me a space inside of my own identity to fill, to serve a need that built up the group.
Like I said, I don't know if this will help everyone, but it really helped me and it would make me happy if it did help you and other people as well.
Best way to address it is putting yourself in a great set and setting both physically and mentally. Going to depend a lot of the substance & the person using it. For me meditation (sitting legs crossed, deep breathing with my hands in the air) has always helped. That & painting for me works wonders, something about the colors & the instant creation of something. Re-assuring yourself that your fine exc. exc.
Without clairvoyant tools you are basically helpless. End karma, ground, own your gender space, destroy energy on your genetics, blow the past life death picture causing the anxiety. Or a whole host of other things might need to be done....
For me, all the paranoid energy is from all the female energy of the plant's valence as a spirit combined with all the female energy in my space from the women in my life. As a man, I have to ground that energy, then run my own female energy. Kind of a hassle, but it fixes it.
If you read Carlos Castaneda, he talks about how it deep trance you can move the "window" through which you perceive the world to a new location in your spiritual reality.
Marijuana can also be used to move the window, if it is used for that purpose.
However, a lot of people just want to get high and be happy, enjoy themselves for a bit, which is fine, too.
That's really cool, I'll check it out. I've experienced something similar to that when I used to meditate all the time. I could literally feel my body floating away and it felt like I left my room.
Also, DMT transported me to what looked like the inside of some colorful, kaleidescopic room with a giant acorn in the middle. I think that was my pineal gland.
I was doing some research on the pineal gland recently. Super interesting stuff. Many consider it to be a "third eye" of some sort, and the flouride in our water supplies calcifies the pineal gland and essentially makes it useless. If anyone has more information on this II'd love to hear.
Some say that's the whole reason behind adding fluoride to the water. The pineal gland is an enigma. It really is. It can produce DMT, possibly the strongest chemical on the planet. It's found in numerous animals, and plants, crazy enough. It's, Also, believed that DMT is released when you enter REM sleep and when you die. There's another way to release it, too. Deprive yourself of light and sound for three days, and you'll induce a DMT trip. Even with so much calcification, our pineal glands are still capable of producing a strong effect. Imagine how strong it was for people 5,000 years ago. There's numerous accounts in the Bible of going into a cave for extended periods of time and coming out with a revelation from God or having seen God. Very fascinating stuff.
Omg this is so reckless. Do not just try any mushrooms. Please make sure they are a safe species to eat. Many mushrooms will seriously injure you or worse.
I think they are eating acid. Eat acid long enough and that lovey dovey connected world peace stuff goes out the window...I say this from experience. Have at least 1000 acid trips under my belt. Went from. "Give the elite lsd and we will have world peace!!" to "the elite are right. 90% of the population should be wiped out so we can start from scratch."
This cannot be understated. Psychoactive drugs can be a great tool for insight when used with respect but they are also an invitation to madness if used carelessly.
A feeling of what or realization of what? And how would it be different from
I haven't done any psychedelics. Hell, I haven't ever even drank alcohol, but if the opportunity presented itself, I think I'd be more willing to try psychedelics or cannabis over alcohol.
You could study up on the effects of psychadelics, reading every article about the way it makes you feel. You'll know everything about it. But without experiencing it firsthand, you'll never truly know. That's the difference.
I don't want to push it on you, but it'd be worthwhile for you to try. It can be life changing in a good way, but it can, also, be in a bad way.
Maybe it's just how I think, but that doesn't really make sense to me. I do have some suspicions that it could be a false epiphany, where the only thing they give you is the feeling that you have had the epiphany, like people with manic episodes sometimes have.
Even if I wanted it enough to seek it out, I don't think I have any way of trying it.
That's why thinking about it doesn't do it any justice. You have to experience it to see what all the fuss is about.
You can grow mushrooms yourself. It is illegal, but purchasing the spores is not. They're used for study in mycology. And there's tons of videos on how to grow them. Just need a little bit of money and resolve to do it. You can also make DMT. And the materials used for it are legal, but making it carries a 20 year prison sentence if caught.
Both, take a lot of effort, but if you're interested, those are just a couple of routes you could take if you're unable to find it.
Unfortunately marijuana does affect your ability to concentrate for prolonged period of time. I talk from experience, it improved my study time as a math major. It for sure should be decriminalized because alcohol is just as bad for concentration, but the recovery period is shorter.
I agree. Sometimes when I get just blasted, productivity is no where in the realm of possibility haha but I find that in minimal quantities, it improved my studies too.
Nah, I know quite a few lsd and mushroom heads that have zero clue what is going on in the world. There trips are just them checking out of a false reality into another false reality. Also, almost everyone I know that smokes weed are video game attacks, netflix and internet dweebs. They have no clue. Weed and other drugs seems to only enhance your personality more.
Personally I am quite sure that drugs are not lifting any veil. Help an individual ? Probably. Banned because they help see through this illusion ? Not really.
You probably haven't ever had a really deep trip, if that's your sentiment. They can be the most amazing tools at helping people see through the illusion. DMT is the queen of them all, in my experience- seriously worth trying.
Explain the question. In context we were talking about DMT, which hurls people into a separate dimension filled with intelligent entities. That sure lifts the veil, because you come to see that there's a lot more to the world than the meaningless, mechanistic, material thing that we're lead to believe it is. There are other beings, other realms, and it seems that this is where the real action is- at least, that was my conclusion, and a lot of peoples' conclusion.
Quantum physics is also backing up this "reality," as it were, as non-locality theory has been proven, and "many worlds theory," which says there are many overlapping dimensions invisible to the naked human eye, is currently popular.
I am certain that shrooms helped me peak behind the veil. Everything I ever thought I knew began being challenged after that trip. I even quit my job I hated and pursued a career I enjoyed as a direct result of taking mushrooms.
Psychedelics don't make stupid people smarter. I too know people who use(d) psychedelics who treated it as nothing more than a colorful amusement park. As for the intelligent people I know, it opens them into vast new areas of thought. I personally consider the first time I took LSD to be one of the most important experiences of my life. Everything you consider status quo, normal, expected, routine... it's just one point of reference in an infinite ocean of possibilities. It's very liberating if you approach it from the perspective of "I want to know the truth."
Fight the oppressors and the overarchs constantly im sure.
Being programmed is very different than it used to be. The power that be havent truly nailed the post "us and them"paradigm of control.
To be subdued, in your definition i would assume asleep is the term, by society is to accept and strive for the meaningless hurdles that ultimately serve the others. If someone can define what it means to be happy with a night on the couch absorbing some good ol free imagination then more power too them.
Its those that tell others that they are unhappy because of "". Those people who push others to see, feel and do thing contrary to their personal understsnding of what it means to be happy.
Much like you. Im sure you feel you have insights and understanding into this world. From your persepctive im sure you do.
But to condone the belittling of others due to percieved naive nature is no better than the control of others for preordained ends.
You, and everyone else on this planet, are no more enlightened than any other. Anyone who claims to be so is false. Define happiness as something you accomplish rather than find. Define understanding as something subjective rather than real.
So what if others try to find their happiness in a smaller pallet than you?
looks like I triggered you. I use to be a mega stoner and it only put up barriers not break them down. It made me feel content with where I was in life. I don't think there is anything wrong with cannabis but the over consumption of anything is no good. People who think cannabis is going to break down mental barriers are delusional. Any "waking up" I ever did had nothing to do with weed. The moment I stopped using it daily was the moment my life was taken off pause.
You might want to consider Noopept, piracetam, lions mane. There is at least some evidence that piracetam can reverse some age related changes in the brain that are associated with Alzheimers or dementia, for example. But generally speaking with psychedelics, you often find what you focus on finding,
Also, almost everyone I know that smokes weed are video game attacks, netflix and internet dweebs.
Almost everyone I know are video game addicts, Netflix, and internet dweebs, I'm the only one who smokes pot on the regular. That's what people do for entertainment.
I read that JFK tried these with his girlfriend, Mary M., and perceived the folly of the Vietnam War - opposition to which sealed his death warrant. Has anyone else come across this information?
There are some reports that JFK took LSD with one of his girlfriends, yes. I don't know the degree to which it affected his views on the war, but I wouldn't be surprised.... Bobby Kennedy also, his wife took LSD therapeutically and testifies in Congress that it should remain legal, which was a losing cause.
Are you just namedroppimg random good things to come from the 80s? OK i guess I'll namedrop 3 random bad things to come from the 80s. Or not because that's a stupid fucking argument.
Acid in your teens is the equivalent to that deep insightful movie that doesn't hit home until your older, I think it's a much more beautiful experience later in life and taking it an early age is watching something youre not ready to fully appreciate. But good on you lady, I'm proud of you.
/u/cmonBruh8766 We went to the moon dude.. figuratively and literally. Bombs and Woodstock,far out stuff man...and what year are we talking about again?
It was a joke I'm 28 I know all about hallucinating drugs and there is a reason so many people have spiritual awakening when doing some of these..mushrooms were my favorite. I grew out of it now but there was definitely a connection with nature and a unknown force to me pretty much every time I ever used them. Self awareness and enlightenment. My buddy made dmt in 5 gallon bucket loads when it first came out. He would have a burner address and prepaid card order a tree bark and extract dmt outta it somehow but it was the real deal and people loved it.
Oh man, that is one of those boring arguments that people throw away without thinking too much.
It could have been ended better, but you should also speculate how it would be now if there haven't been hippies in 60's? We might not have even that little bit of studies done with psychedelics that we now have now.
Movements in 60's had great role bringing meditation and yoga practices to the western world.
We are slowly getting fruits from the seeds that were planted in 60's :D
I hear that if you take a dissociative you can, "become the paint on the wall." It's as if you're consciousness is in the paint and you see things as the paint sees things. The paint being one example of things in the room you can 'become.'
So I guess that's pretty expanding. Seems pointless to me.
Also interesting to learn Timothy Leary was CIA. There's a video of him chatting with his fellow spooks. Explains so much about why the 60s antiwar counterculture failed.
The CIA literally is either the Illuminati or the tool of them. They know their straw house is ready to fall at the slightest gust of social unrest, yet they’ve still managed to keep the dictatorship of the rich alive.
Yeah, this blew my mind as well. Just goes to show how much of our culture has been shaped by government programs and our intelligence agencies for decades!
Terence never claimed to have worked for the feds...not to my knowledge at least. He made a joke once about being recruited by the mushrooms as a PR person, and people always point to that joke as an admission that he was recruited by the feds.
Claimed that multiple people were arrested at a festival, that he was one of them. Claimed his interviewer was impressed by his charisma. Claimed to have started working for them shortly after.
Unfortunately it wasn't really drugs that fueled the 60's. The biggest unknown motto of the 60's was do as thou wilt. This quote is from Alister Crowley also known as the most wicked man in the world. Many artists such as Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and a little later on all the members of Led Zeppelin were heavily influenced by his philosophy. The meaning of do as thou wilt means do whatever you want, which fits the 60's pretty well with the hippie movement free love and anti war sentiments. But the ultimate meaning of that quote is do whatever you want and screw what it does to other people. This is really what fueled much of the 60's counter culture for example Jim Morrison believed that he sold his soul to the devil while he was high on LSD and writing the Doors first album. Even his bandmates recount Jim giving off a weird energy during their shows and Ray Manzarec claimed he felt Jim's energy taking him over. There's a quote from Morrison that says he's concerned with chaos and actions that have no meaning as they are a path to freedom which is a very Crowley statement. As for Led Zeppelin Jimmy Page owns and lives in crowleys old house where Crowley was rumored to have committed ritual human sacrifice. Finally Timothy Leary, a symbol of the 60's, actually believed he was the reincarnation of, or at least channeling the spirit of, Crowley. Leary also conducted many psychological experiments that today would be considered highly unethical. Many people think that Milgram was bad but none of his studies created a terrorist.
I wish I could find it but I once saw a pretty credible mapping of large concentrations of mycellium networks and early advanced societies - in SE Asia and Latin America. It was pretty stunning. This is the sort of "fringe history" I'd like to see explored more, but those bent on division of all aspects of humanity prefer to talk about aliens and mythical giants. Thanks "History Channel".
(On another tangent...someone here has to know who I'm talking about - this (not just psychadelic)mushroom fanatic guy - posits that mushrooms ARE the aliens that colonized and enlightened us. It's lol but I like it.)
(On another tangent...someone here has to know who I'm talking about - this (not just psychedelic)mushroom fanatic guy - posits that mushrooms ARE the aliens that colonized and enlightened us. It's lol but I like it.)
I've read this somewhere too... but it was so long ago I'd probably never remember the source (though I suppose I could go look). Something about some alkaloid or molecule or something that exists within magic mushrooms that is not found to occur naturally anywhere else leading some to believe that these mushrooms are not from this earth.
I've also read that Santa Claus was originally a guy that would climb into your hut from a hole in your hut's roof to deliver mushrooms to you.
"Thanks Mushroom Santa :D"
Lots of interesting stuff surrounding mushrooms. Who the fuck knows, but I keep my mind open to all possibilities.
It is very interesting!
I also seem to remember something about the mushrooms acting as an antenna... either the mushrooms themselves or the 'active ingredients' once consumed... channeling the cosmic knowledge to our brains.
I found a huge pdf years ago that I printed out at work and put into a binder to read. But that was about four computers ago.... before I really started saving(hoarding) everything. The binder is probably in a box somewhere in my basement. I wish I could remember the name of the document!
I delved into growing a few years ago and I was amazed at how easy it was, following the PF tek method. When you think about it, the sheer speed with which they form is "alien" in itself. I still have some old spore syringes, I hear they have an impressive shelf life if stored properly - might have to do another grow :)
Terence Mckenna, in the book True Hallucinations talks about exactly this at the very end. The audiobook is read by terence himself! Or maybe you're thinking of Paul Stamets? He talks about spores being able to survive on asteroids landing on planets, mycelium networks and how mushrooms can save the world
Terence Mckenna, in the book True Hallucinations talks about mushrooms being aliens at the very end. The audiobook is read by Terence himself! Or maybe you're thinking of Paul Stamets? He talks about spores being able to survive on asteroids landing on planets, mycelium networks in how mushrooms can save the world
The Hebrew word in Genesis translates only to "fruit." In some cultures, the word "apple" is used to denote the fruit of some plants and that may have contributed to this misnomer. There is nothing that definitively identifies what kind of fruit Adam and Eve ate.
This is THE definitive text on the subject. The man who wrote it is/was a dead sea scroll expert and legitimate scholar. Although the mushroom in this story is Amanita Muscaria, not something from the psylocibe family.
It doesn't really. Amanita trips often induce a deep sleep coupled with intense and frightening dreams. Lighter doses give more dissociative/drunkenly effect often with generally disphoric/creepy vibes.
You're right on point, OP. That's why they were banned, psychedelics, including all research, and only recently have we begun to have some research permitted, thanks to the hard-working people at www.maps.org.
Sure, not everyone has a life-changing or deeply magical experience with psychedelics, but a lot of us do. Shouldn't we be asking: Where do these things come from? How did they get here, why do they do these extraordinary things? DMT is the most dramatic and profoundly revealing of all of them.
Have you listened to Terence McKenna much? He was brilliant, worth listening to at length. And join us over at /r/psychonaut
I've always used a classic meth pipe, with the bubble on the end. But as long as you're somehow vaporizing it, you're good.
I don't know about intentions exactly, but set and setting as well as method are hugely important. Definitely don't combine it with alcohol. Minimize caffeine and anything else except maybe weed; this isn't a party. Come in with a real clear head and relatively empty stomach; maybe meditate beforehand. Ideally, do it at night. Then most importantly, take *massive hits of it- get as much into your lungs as possible, and then hold it for literally about a ten count. That's the part almost no beginners do right; they don't hold their hits long enough. If you're going for a breakthrough you might take three hits, or at least two.
Thanks! I was specifically wondering if you’d personally experienced the difference between smokable dmt vs. ayahuasca. I have some friends who’ve done both & some who’ve done one or the other.
It’s all pretty fascinating & def on my bucket list. Based my my experiences with mushrooms, I feel like I’m in for a bit of a spiritual bitch-slap either way. 😂
Good luck. I actually haven't had a chance to do ayahuasca, but smoked DMT I've done somewhere around 200 times, and it's the gift that keeps on giving. Start with low doses, perhaps.
Holy Krakatoa! I guess I’ll be spending some time reading your post history. We definitely have different approaches to the journey, but I’m hella intrigued about what you have to say!
And I'm hella intrigued by what you have to say. Hit me up with any thoughts. I'm planning a web site featuring DMT stories, art, and literature. "DMT witness" is our working name.
That's a term I've heard- rose pipes, I thought it was. They're ironically easier to get in semi-shady neighborhoods, like you said, than in Boulder where I am. That's alright, we have the internet now.
We already know how these things get here, and why they do what they do. It's all molecules, it's Atoms. Protons, Neutrons and Electrons, and the sub-atomic particles. The interactions these have throughout space-time, their evolution so to speak.
We're all part of the same system, and that system has some pretty damn interesting interactions with itself. It's not spiritual or magical, it's just the system we have.
Lol, kind of. I don't think you've smoked DMT. You really, really should go for a DMT breakthrough someday. It's very much "spiritual and magical." Yes, atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons all exist and play a role in what's happening. That doesn't explain how or why people have these life-changing encounters with intelligent entities that teach us things on certain psychedelics, most notably DMT. /r/dmt is filled with such stories, and I have hundreds saved, if you're interested.
Couldn't similar experiences be chalked up to similar brain chemistry between subjects? Similar to how most people who use cocaine experience increased heart rate.
It's not just that the experiences have a lot of commonalities- people often encounter jaguars, Mayan imagery, and twisting snakes- it's the nature of the experiences, which involve reported alien contact and encountering intelligent entities. There's some really excellent literature on this subject that I recommend, starting with Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural: Meetings With the Ancient Teachers of Mankind." Hancock points out that these experiences don't seem to fit in our common understanding of evolution. How or why do they happen? Shamans have an answer. I think you have to spend some real time exploring with DMT (or salvia) to even begin to understand the significance of the phenomenon.
No doubt one can experience imagery of pre-existing notions such as a jaguar, the human form, or recognizing a past civilization. I think the more interesting question is, would you see a jaguar if you had no concept of a jaguar?
These have to confided to our previous notions of how things work. Such as the brain chemistry involved, otherwise you have to replace those concepts as well.
No, believe me, you have no previous notion of how DMT works or the insanely bizarre and seemingly impossible things you're shown when you take it. It's new material for humans.
I mean what if it just stimulates an area of the brain that is responsible for producing such feelings. The strong feelings of spirituality that can be achieved with religion, meditation, psychedelics, etc all share some similarities.
What kind of makes it all suspect to me is that you can communicate the feelings and more abstract concepts of those experiences after the fact but if there is really another layer of hidden knowledge and meaning that can be unlocked then shouldn't there be a way to implement that into your life more concretely?
You're right, those things are all similar. I personally meditate a lot. And I can tell you that you can get into these other realms even without dmt, including visually. It's been easy for me because of how much dmt I've just been fortunate to have access to, and also I don't drink alcohol, which Bill Hicks pointed out is like taking a black Sharpie to your third eye. It's all just a matter of practice, you can have dmt-like experiences without dmt, especially if you know where to look. Weed helps me a lot with it, edibles mostly.
Yeah, I'd bet that many people wouldn't have these similar experiences if the ideas weren't communicated between the drug users. As someone who has done this drug many times, I haven't ever experienced a jaguar, Mayan imagery, twisting snakes, and whatever. I had felt like I came into contact with alien/other beings, a Hindu goddess, and a "machine elf", but that was only after I had read about that stuff.
You may see the jaguar but have no frame of reference or method of explaining it. That's the issue with a lot of psychedelic ventures. For example I had experienced seeing a strange text overlay on everything. I couldn't fully explain what it was but once I stumbled across Allyson Grey's paintings of Secret Writing. I experienced it before being aware that it was something that happens and got the reference to explain it afterwards.
Maybe I'm wrong but didn't the government ban research on psychedelics because they found them to be mostly useless on their own? I know in the early to mid 1900's a lot of research was done into using LSD to cure alcoholism but the studies kept showing that LSD on its own did very little and that it was the combination with counseling that really created the results? Even the new research today only shows they as a tool in therapy and not some kind of take home prescription.
I don't know where you're getting that about experiments taking place in the 90's on LSD. Most of the experiments were in the 1960's, and they showed that LSD had a ton of potential in curing alcoholism, enhancing creativity, relieving depression, etc. At the same time, the CIA and military experimented with LSD as a mind control agent, but it didn't really work out for them; check out the book "Acid Dreams" on that subject. Anyway, all psychedelics were banned because of hysteria due to the hippy movement fueling anti-war sentiment and creating a vast counter-culture that was blamed on psychedelics, not because psychedelics didn't show therapeutic promise. If you want to research the early studies, here's a resource:
http://www.maps.org/resources/psychedelic-bibliography
That was one of the first things that Kathy O'Brien said about weed was it was a no no for her. Any other drugs were ok but the weed was not allowed as it was able to break her MKUltra programming.
drugs outside of psychedelics are interesting because they are like dark magic, and have the potential to make you temporarily superhuman (i.e. no need for sleep/exhaustion, no pain) but at the same time can work to deeply enslave you as you become used to living under their effects for any period of time.
at that point your need for the substance creates pain when it isn't there, and the effects wane when you do get a fix. so it keeps you enslaved.
Ive never heard of psychedelics acting in this manner. Other drugs do have the potential to be powerful tools in your life, but your also burning your life force away every time you take them and risking spiritual enslavement that is very difficult to escape from.
p.s. plz don't tell the elites their shit is getting stepped on. they don't need to know that I'm more immortal then them because ive been extracting the good shit off the top for centuries.
I've only smoked weed. And I'm hoping something like acid will help me break out of my depression and have a new passion for life. Is this naive of me hope for?
if only acid wasn't way easier to find :( been dropping acid for 5 years and the only shrooms I've done just gave me the Hershey squirts. I'm guessing they were old af. ruined my Christmas morning 2 years ago
You never know what you get. You can go into those sort of trips and secretly want it to go 1 direction but you don't really have that much control. After all you wont be sober so you cant be 100% sure what mental state you will experience. Your depression could be a chemical imbalance so maybe you can't "Cure" it but a different perspective could make sober you see life in a new way.
I wouldn't say its naive because people do report life changing experiences but there is also plently who just have a fun trip which is memorable but they come out the same person. Then there are people who have un diagnosed mental disorders which get brought out by taking a drug.
One thing I know is the mushrooms are showing a lot of promise for depression. Acid is sorta like you're in a car and can control to some degree what you experience but shrooms is like being in a rollercoster, you're in for the ride.
Important thing is to just mostly go with the flow. Either one can give you a different perspective and its possible you wont like what you see, maybe you're an asshole for example, you might not like finding that out.
You will be fine if you treat it like a learning experience, you're ready to do some deep soul work and face what ever the trip brings.
You don't need acid or drugs to do that. Ultimately, it's up to you. That's the lesson you'll learn- but acid just tends to spoon feed you it in a powerful and poignant way. Acid is a catalyst for greater change only if you're willing to accept and act upon what you already know needs to be done. I've had great trips when I had great intentions, but I've also felt like a crack head staring out my kitchen window at 5am because drunk me decided to dose myself after a night of drinking. I gave away my acid because I was too depressed to use it responsibly. It's been a year and a half since I did that, and I've learned how to live better in that time without the acid than I did when I was dosing myself to solve my problems. It takes a long time to absorb the "lessons", so don't let it stunt your growth because you're chasing an easy fix.
Try Cannabidiol (CBD). Studies show it is the Great Moderator for neurochemicals. If your chemicals are too low (like in depression), it brings them up. If the chemicals are too high (like schizophrenia), they bring them down. There is plenty of CBD oil out there, just get some from a reputable seller.
Half my family has mental illness so I'm very familiar with it. It's a real illness from real causes. How the chemicals get at the wrong levels I have no idea.
It simply comes down to a matter of respect for it. If you don't prepare yourself appropriately and have no respect for the unique gift psychedelics can be, then you're more likely to have negative experiences.
So you basically skipped history lessons? The 60s was full of psychedelic exploration. Everyone was doing it basically. All that came from it was hippies.
Actually not everyone was doing it. That's why there was and is so much repression and oppression for the use of psychedelics. It's still only a tiny minority using psychedelics, and even pot smokers are a minority of citizens in the US. The majority of non-psychedelic users range from greedy to indifferent to outright hostile to their use.
By everyone I don't mean literally everyone. I mean a great number of people from all around the world and it had an enormous impact on society and future generations.
I don't mean to be a spoil sport, but the will to break down mental barriers was already part of the OP's character, the mota just helps things along. Things go the other way with folks who don't have any will to grow.
Hemp has been the enemy of several industries, starting with the lumber industry. Big pharma probably would not have become what it is today either. As always, follow the money.
Similarly coffee is accepted and encouraged because it helps people focus on mundane idiotic tasks at work. Of course, it used to be that people would gather at coffee houses and discuss critical political issues of the day.
I mean work places encourage coffee because its lets you have more energy and grind through repetitive tasks. Society is fine with coffee for work and alcohol for when you get off. Alcohol will inhabit your frontal cortex, sure its fun but if you look at the grand picture it is weird that the cycle of coffee and alcohol is so widely accepted.
There's plenty of drug combinations that can expand a person but the ones generally accepted are more focused to grinding out a work day then inhabiting your brain to relax at the end.
“Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing" - Terrance Mckenna
I spread his quotes on a daily basis. Man was far beyond his time, really wanna work on making a booth with a bunch of headphones and speakers at EDM events sharing his thoughts. I agree with much of what he shared outside of the timewave zero stuff. Sad that he's so unknown to the general public.
that’s a fantastic idea. it doesn’t even matter if you’re a stoned hippy who’s taken lsd, shrooms or dmt. terence was so lucidly and deeply articulate that it’s hard to even comprehend how his brain is human.
Regardless spiders have been found in the upper atmosphere. I believe their blood can crystallize allowing them to be in a state of stasis.
We are the star seeds of spiders!!
We tried to see if we could keep some tartegrades as pets, got some moss and fed it water once in awhile. Tried to see if there were any in the moss with the microsope but none were home.
They found living plankton in space, but it probably came up with a satellite, although its still out of it they can survive opens my mind to the possibility of evolution in space or what other creatures through the universe could survive in space.
They (the mushrooms) talk to you. I've had the entire stoned ape theory "told" to me by the mushrooms before I ever knew who Terrence McKenna was. It's like a conglomeration of voices that are all speaking different words of full sentences. (Ten words in a sentence=10 different voices) Combine that with a dream like visualization of the story being told. (If you've seen Dr.Strange they do an amazing recreation of being this high)
You lose connection with your physical body at high doses. Sometimes forgetting that you are a human. The dissatisfaction that comes with being back in the flesh is difficult to handle. I usually end up crying
They (the mushrooms) talk to you. I've had the entire stoned ape theory "told" to me by the mushrooms before I ever knew who Terrence McKenna was. It's like a conglomeration of voices that are all speaking different words of full sentences. (Ten words in a sentence=10 different voices) Combine that with a dream like visualization of the story being told. (If you've seen Dr.Strange they do an amazing recreation of being this high)
You lose connection with your physical body at high doses. Sometimes forgetting that you are a human. The dissatisfaction that comes with being back in the flesh is difficult to handle. I usually end up crying
I did 6 grams my first time and had the second best psychedelic experience of my life. The first was tripping on 1300ug of this kickass cid. Both times I came out of the trip feeling "renewed"... Can't really describe the feeling besides that
5 grams? How many average mushies is that? I've seen somebody do like 50+ best way I've seen them done is you go to a party of mature adults with tea frozen as ice cubes throw a couple in each persons drink, because every bodies buzzing you don't get the paranoid buzz as easily next thing entire party laughing and having the best time or dry and crush into antibiotic case for sales.
Fungi are the most alien thing on this planet. An entire kingdom of life that promptly showed up less than half a billion years ago and shares the least in common with any other branch of life
The animal kingdom is closer related to the Fungi one than the plant kingdom. They share a common ancestor that branched from plants around 1.1 Billion years ago.
Crick, co-discoverer of DNA, felt it statistically impossible for such a complex string of proteins to have been jumbled together by accident, a cosmic instant after the formation of the Earth. Like, as soon as Earth was ready to harbour life, life arose. He wrote a book saying that, in his opinion (i.e. the opinion of one of the discoverer's of the universal living molecule) it was statistically more probable that life itself came from extraterrestrial origins. He called the theory 'directed panspermia', because he thought aliens had bioengineered some kind of spore-like DNA-receptacle to cross the galaxy.
I like that one I believe our "gods" are extra-terrestrial just as we will be to technological consciousness one day soon, this theory makes it much more plausible
"Living spores have been found and collected in every level of earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron-dense and can survive in the vacuum of space. Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light."
I think he got the initial ball rolling on the 2012 date being significant, but never actually claimed that the world would end. Others jumped on the 2012 date and made it about a doomsday. Additionally, he admitted that it was a purely speculative theory, not to be taken seriously. He would have been laughing at doomsday preppers and people selling their houses even harder than the actual skeptics.
Yes. I honestly think we will look back and see 2012 as the dawn of the “digital age”, with everything before marked by the entrance of digital media into the mainstream consciousness, and everything after marked by the predominance of that digital consciousness
Hey man, i get you. Of course the world ending in 2012 was ridiculous, but if people didnt think random things that dont really make sense, then we would never advance because nobody thinks anything. Most of modern science would seem like pipe dreams a couple of centuries ago.
I noticed that actually, its called the stoned ape theory but then when I read about it, it was referred to as a hypothesis. Tbh i wasnt sure what the difference was haha. Thanks man
Terrance, god bless his soul, forgot to mention that their are elites that have better drug connections, and a supply of victims for their perversions, and are at the top of the illegal drug business while profiting immensely also from the drug war.
Wow. Reality would be so much more sinister and fucked if all these things were out in the open like common knowledge (but then there'd be a revolution). Right now it's like in the subconscious with everyone myself included too afraid to believe it's true. It's like "Nah...couldn't be....really?....holy fuck..."
Don't feel bad, I grew up around some of these families in Washington DC, was 9 when JFK was offed. You can guess how ancient I am right now, and other than getting as far away from that shit as I could, it has still taken my whole life to assimilate. But as Lilly Tomlin said, “No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up.” because it keeps going lower.
Maybe its a bit like Invasion of the Body Snatchers kind of thing. Or that great indie film They Live (1988) where the special sunglasses showed a different reality.
I hope to never meet a wild animal that is as fucked up. In the meantime, having a dog with me for the last 20-25 years has cheered me up a lot, and the ordinary nastyness of life, minus the extra level of nightmare level insanity by people who dream up Mutual Assured Destruction is almost endearing now. Oh, and one more thing, Dr. Strangelove. When Stanley Kubrick was stuck, the subject of total nuclear devastation was impossible for him to translate into the kind of art he understood, (and you can see from other efforts that it has never really worked) he added the twist of overthetop irony, sarcasm, and that is also an under rated element of what eventually ended the nightmare of the Soviet Union, people just started making fun of it, because the insanity actually is beyond expression.
We live now through a time in the US like the end times of the Soviet Union. The limits of big brained experts being able to fix things is long past. A collective understanding is needed, one that will surpass the pettiness of those who allow themselves to be carried forward by a mob and turned into what they have become.
Its tricky moving through denial. Lots of us have spun out. We are learning as we go.
Wasn't Nixon quoted saying something along the lines " these hippies are smoking marijuana, and sitting around and TALKING!" like it was some crime to sit around and discuss society, but the powers that be don't want you to question the structure, pot and hallucinogenic raise those questions, that's why it's a nono.
They don't control the narrative on the internet, unlike they have been on radio and tv since it's inception, so that's a BiG problem for them. That's why one of the tactics that's widely used now is misinformation, they throw so much stuff out there, so it's harder to pick apart the facts.
Like hell they don't. Reddit is nothing but liberal propaganda through bots and shills. Take a look at r/politics and what kind of political stories make it to the top or r/all
See you're just fucking your self, when you fall into this liberals/conservatives trap. They're all the same, and both parties policies brought you here.. and yes Trump too falls into that category.. you're doing exactly what the people in power want you to be doing, is digging your heels behind a party, and give it all your allegiance like it's a sports team.
you're doing exactly what the people in power want you to be doing, is digging your heels behind a party, and give it all your allegiance like it's a sports team
Right, it's false tribalism. Once you realize there are two types of people in this world it all seems to fall together. There are those that want to be left alone, and there are those that just won't leave you alone.
Those that won't leave you alone tend to be the violent, self-righteous, and ignorant. The others, for the most part, are peaceful, mindful, and accepting.
Double think is really in play here, and it's sad. Too many people have bought into the idea that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom.
Fuck political parties. Fuck government rulers. Be the change you wish to see in the world and take a stand. Live free.
Everyone needs to read that and note that we repealed protections from the Smith-Mundt act that stopped the government from doing this to us. There is an operation on record that everyone knows about that allows the U.S. to astroturf its citizens.
No, they place info that want accepted, prop it up with some pseudo authority and set it next to "real news" and now the normal information channels will disseminate.
Jtrig. Its easy to manipulate reddit. Its constantly manipulated and thus so is online discussion. Its beyond that, countless fake users and computer generated speech. Along with real people being paid to shill.
Frightening isn't it how a civilization can lose its way in just over a hundred years. The Founding Fathers sitting in Philadelphia weren't bothered with controlling a system or the way people thought; they wanted to allow individuals to be free to pursue happiness. The government should not give a hoot whether people are sitting around talking or not. They should be concerned only with ensuring that the individuals have the right to do so if they want to.
We have now too many vested interests in the society we have built on money and credit, and those interests also have the power to ensure that thier interests stay protected.
I suppose you could get into an argument with others who say the world is a nasty place and you need a strong army to maintain your interest and you cant afford that if everyones sat around smoking hash all day though.
It's seemed obvious to me that the best way forward is a loosely affiliated proliferation of Utopias that people can self-sort into. The only unifying principal between which being the absolute guarantee to leave and go to another that better suites you, with as few barriers to this process and as much assistance as possible.
Can only happen once we break the idea that we are their tax slaves to be milked dry.
And then the Utopia with the most guns and weapons decides that another utopia doesn't deserve the resources they have, and a war is started, and the cycle continues. There will be no true utopia until resources are unlimited, and that's not likely to ever happen because it's human nature to hoard and control.
Bull, Atomically Precise Manufacturing guarantees the end of scarcity. When the best possible building material is carbon and our problem is we have too much of it, things look a lot better. No energy isn't the limiting factor because APM makes it trivially simple to make/capture/store as much as we need.
Are you really naive enough to think that the oligarchs and billionaires will just allow everyone to have everything they need? Of course they won't. They like being at the top and they like the control that keeping people poor and stupid, gives them.
Of course they want that. Good luck stopping it. It's like holding a river back with your hands. For a tiny example of this, look at how well the electric car is being repressed and marijuana is kept illegal.
They had the power and resources to make countries worldwide lock tens, maybe even hundreds of millions of people in cages for smoking and selling a plant that makes you lethargic and hungry. And populaces and legislators just accepted this gross global injustice for decades for no other reason than "it's drugs".
If marijuana is being legalized and the electric car is being properly developed, it's because they are allowing these things to happen because they've moved onto other methods of profit and control. They have the TPP and the non-neutral internet now. They can control every single piece of information the average person is exposed to. Why do you think the US is so divided at the moment - it's because the Oligarchs are manufacturing petty tribalism to keep them from uniting and becoming powerful.
No, they can't. They want to, feverishly, but they can't. Control is slipping, and in their desperation to re-establish it they've shown their hand. The curtain is more scant and flimsy than it's ever been, and each move to tug it over an embarrassment only serves to expose more rot to the sunlight.
I like this idea. This is what we should work towards. It's funny how many people fight against ideas like this though. It's like they crave a diaphoric life.
The metaphor refers to a bucket of live crabs, some of which could easily escape,[2] but other crabs pull them back down to prevent any from getting out and ensure the group's collective demise
who run's the utopias? strife is natural to the human. Its how we know how to build ideas as glorious as utopia. No dark, no light. Society is dark. Individuals are light.
Everyone, no one, and every possible permutation between or beyond that. If you don't like how the particular Utopia you are in is being run, accept the invitation of one of the multitude of others vying for the grace of your citizenship.
Each individual's utopia would differ. I'd be highly surprised if you'd find any two individuals who enjoy the same things. Many people enjoy other people's suffering. In essence, the current landscape of media and always connected devices is the closest thing to a truly universally utopia system.
I don't think your idea is a bad one. I totally get it. But the actual execution is virtually impossible. Ultimately utopias can't work anyway because people will tune misery to the baseline their exposed to. When there is real suffering, there can be true light. In the absence of suffering, the bar gradually changes and utopia declines. It's why organized societies in general collapsed.
Each individual's utopia would differ. I'd be highly surprised if you'd find any two individuals who enjoy the same things.
I don't think so, human variation is vast but not infinite. Plus, we're deeply social creatures, so I find it impossible to believe that the ideal society for everyone is isolation. Maybe I should be saying utopia instead of Utopia; the idea is a network of societies designed explicitly from the ground-up maximize human flourishing, as defined by the participants. I'm not talking about making perfect the enemy of great, that's an obvious and easily-avoidable trap.
Many people enjoy other people's suffering.
And many people enjoy that others can take satisfaction through their suffering. Plus AI constructs and virtual reality. Plenty of room for all stripes, as long as it's voluntary.
In essence, the current landscape of media and always connected devices is the closest thing to a truly universally utopia system.
This is a one-size fits all dystopia that's working for almost no one. See: time spent on social media correlating with unhappiness
Ultimately utopias can't work anyway because people will tune misery to the baseline their exposed to.
I think there are ways off the hedonic treadmill, and this would be one of the best ways to find them. Worth trying, anyhow. As we're clearly in a dystopia now.
I wonder what happened between the Founding Fathers and now... like what entity/group sprung up to make everything so sinister? Where did it come from?
Well there are many theories out there; the usual Rothschild/Rockerfeller NWO infiltration of the upper reaches of Freemasonry etc. I don't really know. But I do know that Federalism won, and instead of being a federation of self-governing sovereign nation states, after the Civil War the USA felt its manifest destiny best suited by a strong centralised Federal government.
you'd have to be a moron to believe this. the founding fathers wanted freedom for "individuals", sure. Those individuals were landed gentry. They were all about controlling a system to keep the common man down. Nothing has changed before or since then.
Nah, the Founding Fathers wanted a fairly controlling government, controlled primarily by the rich. The Bill of Rights wouldn't even exist if it hadn't of been for the minority political party making a big fuss about personal and state rights.
The Senate was the favored house, as it allowed states with a small population of rich people to outvote the larger masses of poor people.
The Electoral College could only have rich, white, male landowners on it, and there's never been a requirement for them to vote the way their state votes. The intention was, again, if a candidate who would be harmful to the rich is chosen by the poor people, the electoral college could just put the competitor in office, and thereby having a 'pet' president who would only help the rich.
The intent of the US government has always been to control what people think. Even our Bill of Rights isn't all that great. For example, the First Amendment actually only prevents the government from stopping you from speaking your mind. You can still be punished after. The government could throw you in jail for criticizing them; they just don't because it's bad PR. It's only now that the government has gotten bigger, and ensuring secrecy has gotten tougher, have people actually started noticing the ways in which our government actually manipulates us.
They don't need drugs to sit around and talk, the point is that youre more likely to sit down and talk if you take drugs, because it's more likely that you will question why things are the way they are.. but im sure there is plenty of people sitting around and talking about society and it's structure without drugs. Drugs are just the facilitator.
First of all, nobody said they're needed, and secondly, that's "the" sad thing? As in you're implying it's worse than the laws outlawing these substances?
The post above me implys exactly that. And Yes it is worse in my opinion, the fact that people need drugs in order to think critically or discuss things critically is incredibly sad. I'm not here to hate on drugs they are fun and have there uses. But there is a reason the concept "sex drugs and rock and roll" includes drugs.
I'm certainly speaking specifically to psychedelics, something you clearly have a very limited experience with. It's not that you can't learn things without them, but these are referred to as "plant teachers/ guides" for a reason.. Use them with care, and use them with respect as to the transformations they can achieve, and you have an extraordinary research tool. Know what you're using, decide just why you're using it, and you can have a rich experience. They're not addictive, and they're certainly not escapist, either, but they're exceptionally valuable tools for understanding the human mind, and how it works. Ecstasy/MDA for example was invented for therapy when invited and first used they refereed to it as a year of therapy in six hours. These substances are incredibly helpful to society and even people like Bill gates and Steve jobs both have stated that if it wasn't for LSD they would have never been the people they became. The fact that you think all drugs are used for the resource of fun and fun alone is telling me that you've barely dipped your toes into any of these topics / substances. If you have any other questions I'd love to continue the conversation. If not thanks for taking the time to read this alone & I wish you a nice life! :)
I've done psychedelics I guess not enough to have the kind of breakthrough you are talking about. I mean they certainly have some benefit. But I feel like focus and meditation can replace anything psychedelics can produce.
Instead of the fake "word-smithed knowledge" we've been force fed without questioning for generations. False limitations, propaganda based duality, conditioning of the public.
I also understand your point of view on the topic, I once thought similar until I had a near death experience and a natural DMT trip (the doctor told me this happens as a last stitch effort of the brain; but he left out the part about it originating from the pineal gland..)
I think DMT removes the veil.
I now see what's hidden in plain sight all over cable tv, my intuition is through the roof, and my belief in Jesus Christ stronger than ever.
I’m currently taking a class called Addictive Disease Concepts. The textbook states that the illegalization of drugs began on three premises: toxicity, correlation with criminal behavior, and dependence. The text also goes into how, although all three of these concerns are somewhat valid, they were also somewhat misguided. Not enough was known at the time regarding how best to go about any of. Making drugs illegal was supposed to take the problem away. Instead, it created a whole host of other problems. Over two centuries later, we are able to have a more clear picture of what’s going on. The fact that new drugs are being invented all the time, and there will always be more research necessary in order to understand it better means that society will have to constantly adapt and change to new information and regulation. It’s such a can of worms, and so much money is involved that it’s not likely we will see our society do what’s truly in the “best” interests of people, at least not in my lifetime anyway.
Most of what I “know” about drugs and addiction is based on my personal experiences with both. I’ve done a LOT of drugs in my life. I’ve also been through and witnessed a LOT of addiction and all of the garbage that goes along with it. Regardless of what I end up learning in this textbook look at the subject of drugs, I know one thing is for certain. I have nothing but POSITIVE things to say about my experiences with psilocybin, DMT, and cannabis. All three have contributed to some of the most beautiful thoughts I’ve ever had.
I don’t think it’s sad at all. Nor did I say that drugs were the source of ALL of my beautiful thoughts. I said some. Further, I experienced these thoughts when I was in my late teens, early twenties, before I had really experienced much “real” adult life.
These psychedelic experiences helped pull me out of deep moments of depression. They lifted the fog enough so that I was able to see my life in a more honest way. Once the drugs wore off, those positive, beautiful thoughts and perspectives didn’t just go away. They lasted, and continue to last.
I agree with you that the birth of my children, and the first time I fell in love, and the moments where I got to experience lovely bits of life and nature with my family are THE most beautiful moments. However, the psychedelic experiences allowed me to have another layer within those sober moments. I was able to feel the sacred nature of each of our souls participating in the moment as individuals, and as a pair or a group. I was able to stop and look more closely at the things around me, and realize just how much beauty goes unnoticed when we are in a hurry.
Sorry, I don’t normally do this on Reddit...but your take on what I said is so far off base, that I’m gonna go ahead and tell you to shove it. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
Ah, yes...the good ‘ol “I am incapable of saying anything intelligent; time to resort to name-calling” strategy. A wise choice, and always a valid contribution to the Reddit community.
That’s a complete lie. I don’t smoke, or take anything else, and I ask those questions all the time. He was probably asking why they aren’t being productive with their life.
I've come to accept what it was. For a long while it was for worse. Caused psychosis in college. I'm good now tho. I think if I had other psychedleic trips before it it would have been easier.
I totally agree, but the spirit molecule is essentially just a bunch of weirdo's blabbering... it's like there was no point to anything they were saying. Awful documentary for how nuts of a subject DMT is IMO.
Yea its cause people studying it that never tried anything else get their first intense trip and they believe there's something else to it just like most people with any real hallucinative trip
Sadly I havnt had the opportunity to try DMT and likely never will as there is not a huge market here for it in NZ, but out of mushrooms, acid, and a few other drugs I have experimented with the high percentage Mexican tripping weed has given me the most unbelievable 7-20 minute trips, I only bring it up cause I can't explain it properly but one of them all I can explain towards the trip was everybody in the world was everything holding each other up in lines hands to back and on top of each other and I could see many people I knews faces and out of the blue I fell and everybody feel cause of me it was way more intense and unexplainable but that was the base of one of my trip, another was seeing everybody I knews faces everywhere in front of me and trying to talk to them I can't remember what they did or said really but I was fkt each time I've come out of a trip I am told I was doing something or acting in a way that was way different to wat I was experiencing and it looked like everybody else just took a trip buzzing out at me .. Twas beautiful the most intense hallucination next to DMT I could imagine.
Read the book, written by Dr. Strassman himself. I've exchanged emails with him, and he said that he was slightly disappointed with how the video documentary came out. His book is much more detailed in the accounts of the DMT participants and his own feelings about it. By the by, he wrote a follow up, called DMT: The Soul of Prophecy, and now is completely fascinated by it. He is studying religious history and the role that DMT played in direct communications with the divine.
I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it’s so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it?
Because they’re afraid that there’s more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they’re afraid to go in, and they don’t want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don’t know. And that makes us a little out of their control. – Quoted in the BBC documentary, ‘The Beyond Within: The Rise and Fall of LSD,’ 1987
Shulgin was a weird character. Aside from the obvious inventions of hundreds of psychedelics detailed in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, he was a member of Bohemian Grove and gave lectures at Burning Man.
I've taken tons of mushrooms, ayahuasca, san pedro, kambo (not really a psychedelic), smoked DMT and salvia, some of it at heroic doses. I can say that the truth of the extent of our enslavement is a recurring theme.
These substances allow us to shed layers upon layers of social and cultural conditioning, and for me, when I take them, it feels like waking up from a dream, into a state of much greater lucidity than what I normally experience.
I've encountered beings who gave me teachings, saw aeons coalesce into a single instant, even saw a few weird glowing globes in the sky post Ayahuasca at one point. My gf just rolled her eyes at me when I pointed it out. I guess she couldn't see it.
Anyway, I feel psychedelics are instrumental to breaking the many chains that hold us down as humans and divine beings. They hold the capacity to connect us to our truth, to universal truth, to pure being without the illusion of subject, object, and sequences.
I think anyone who seriously wants to change this world would do well to find qualified shamans, who are in my experience some of the most positively revolutionary individuals in our world today, and go through the grueling, blissful, ugly, and beautiful process of breaking down deeply ingrained cultural dogma.
The world may be fucked, and it's not going to last. You, me, all beings, however, are stuck with having a mind, with having experience. What we do with it is up to us, and few states are as ripe with potential for change and evolution as the human form.
Wisdom, compassion, and the tools that uncover those intrinsic qualities, is what is going to emancipate humans everywhere.
Why did you ask him about completely unrelated topics? Makes it sound like you are the one with something off. Whether he "believes" in those things you state, whatever that means, is largely irrelevant.
We are talking about the undoing of cultural conditioning.
If the drugs really work in the way claimed, then one would think that the cultural conditioning to believe 'the news' would be one of the first things the drugs would help a person to see through.
No, it's not magic, it still takes time and learning. I think it helps people recognize archetypes more, but you still have to THINK. Ancient history isn't all fake, and "the news" isn't completely phony either.
Why prod me or them on what they "believe"? I can't prove anything, and you'll try to ridicule me either way. How about that the Revolutionary War was a complete sham, or that Napoleon's plan to invade the U.S. worked? Why was Hitler so interested in "ancient" history?
Good or bad depending why your taking them, who your around, were you are etc. Keeping it illegal makes it more likely people will get a negative buzz out of paranoia and be doing it around criminals etc. It could be embraced and used positively if legalised I personally believe
It could be two ways to say the same thing for sure. I can’t really describe what I “learned” except that it’s more that either explanation. It was like a feeling that I got a sneak peek at but there were no accompanying words to describe it.
LSD was not created by the government & is childs play compared to the naturally occurring ones. Bill gates and steve jobs both have stated if it wasn't for LSD they wouldn't have became the people they did. And their is very little relevant evidence to support the claim that he was a cia shill..... Next
I realized that while I was high myself back when I smoked. I saw everything from like 30 other angles after sitting by myself and thinking about things...and my brain MADE ME think honestly about it and with some type of “ultra-empathy” that allowed me to feel what I was thinking about from each of those angles to truly understand it. Hell, my biggest problem was forgetting those feelings after a few hours or days and losing my connection to the thoughts they were tied to.
Weed fucked me up in a weird way, though. I saw through everything. I started to find “trying” harder and progressively more pointless. Ultimately, I decided to quit, take what I learned, and try to fit it into a normal life.
What you say about weed seems to be a base effect of it, people who smoke weed are more likely to care about being happy now not to worried about the future, I smoke weed, I believe this due to things I've seen.. Miserable old folks working their entire lives and the only enjoy work now cause its all they've ever done, they can't enjoy the little things anymore and die with all this cash they could have used to live a happier life.. A big example was that mentally I'll grandma that tried to treat her grandsons? Leg herself because she stringed out, he lost his leg, soon she passed and he inherited 90 million.. That's an illness people enjoy today and tomorrow don't wait to die or until your so addicted to work you can't enjoy anything else
Yeah! The government doesn't want me know that my totally plutonic 300lb friend really wants me to fall asleep high and rape me. I mean, that's what I got last time I smoked weed. Fucking government.
Sounds like a person mental problem or unclean drugs. Test kits for the the man made ones, and study what your getting into and most psychedelics are safer than alcohol
Sure, but like there is much more evidence that such drugs are killing people (see the video of the guy on Reddit earlierv this week jumping out of a moving SUV) than evidence of people on such drugs actually identifying and changing key constructs in the world we live in.
The world as you know it was basically shaped by psychedelics, everything from the phone in your pocket to to the music you listen too. Psychedelics aren't dangerous in the slightest when treated with respect.
These structures exist for a reason. Not all minds can deal with the extreme elements involved in psychedelics. I am a strong believer in these medicines being used to help people with depression or PTSD, but they can't help everybody, under poor supervision they might actually hurt you a great deal. For instance how you deal with a trip where you go to hell instead of heaven could be a profoundly destructive experience to your psyche.
Not the reasons you think they do. I truly do think they can help everyone. So can alcohol or anti-depressant but both are legal and far more dangerous than the natural occurring psychedelics. & most "bad" or scary trips are actually the one you learn from the most. Under poor supervision or under education a car can kill. That doesn't mean all people can't benefit from cars if taught how to properly use them. & if we had them legalized more people would be educated on how to use them safely. Psychedelics have only been illegal for a very short period of time in human history, they've been used in almost every culture of the past and have greatly benefited almost every aspect of culture as we know it today.
The issue is with a single dose you can trip, and that trip may be profoundly bad, way worse than drinking too much alcohol. You may throw up or get sick from alcohol, but it doesn't profoundly change your mind. Shamans typically used such substances in ancient cultures, but I'm doubting whether the entire population used them. If you have any source material stating otherwise I'd consider it. This sort of experience is not for the weak of mind.
Then do 1/3 of a dose.. Depends on the substance, micro-dosing mushrooms for example makes them into performance enhancers people use them for MMA training, hell micro dosing is huge in the coding world right now for that reason alone and its extremely extremely rare that these substances will ever have a lasting effect on the mind. We have receptors for these substances for a reason, and DMT the king of all psychedelics is already found within the brain. Shamans over watched people using them not just used them alone. I'm camping right now, but I know certain native american tribes used psychedelics as a coming to age, meaning every adult male and many of the females took them. Again these substances for what they do, are incredibly safe. Especially at micro doses, the most dangerous thing about them is getting caught with them, no reason for them not to be legal, and far far far from being dangerous.
I don't have a problem with microdosing, I am a strong believer in the power of this substances, but they must be respected. And too often I know ignorant people don't respect these things before they use them in higher quantities. The issue of a shaman is an important distinction, it means ancient people realized you needed a guide on your spiritual journey to the edges of consciousness and back again. If it were legal then there would be specialized places for people to go to be properly supervised and counciled afterwards.
Indeed, if I was in charge of it I would require a holding license for every substance specifically, with a corresponding class that required taking it once with a modern day "shaman" as a group, along with learning tips on how to guide yourself through an overwhelming trip, exc. exc.
It's a lot better to be driving drunk than high on LSD or any other form of hallucinogenic substance that can deteriorate one's awareness to such extremes.
And please, just because some substances can cause "ego death" and other "revealing" sensations to the user doesn't mean it has any relevance to "what they don't want you to know".
can cause "ego death" and other "revealing" sensations
Have you experienced any of these "revealing" sensations yourself, or are you coming from a more literalist framework? Some of us happen to believe, to know in our bones even, that the divine is real.
Anybody with basic understanding of neuroscience will tell you that those sensations come from excess level of Dopamine, Serotonin and Oxytocin in the brain. Or other biochemical alterations the drug induces.
It's clearly not some spirits contacting you. Even if that's what the experience shows you directly.
But I propose not some hard sealed atheistic belief that that stuff isn't real. I propose an omnistic belief that perhaps that spiritual stuff some people experience is just one way of explaining it. A scientific perspective is simply another way of explaining it.
Being delusional is not new: people seeing jesus everywhere, people thinking that they are talking to the gods when high as a kite or believing that they can go to other worlds when intoxicated.
One would believe that knowing that people on drugs were full of shit for millenia would make people with access to the internet more skeptical to nonsense.
One, the "they" that is in the phrase, "what they don't want you to see", is the powers and principalities of the world, and not any one specific person, group, or interest.
It's probably better described as the Gestalt unconscious thought of the world.
And two, if you have the opportunity to look at yourself from A New Perspective and see that you might possibly be doing things in a way that isn't best aligned towards your own interest as a being, why would you be against that?
Well if all the powers that be don't want you to see the same thing because it hurts their interests then they must be of the same group, have connections or something like that.
I would never drive on psychedelics... you'd catch me blacked out drunk behind a wheel before you catch me high on acid driving. That's absolutely insane!
Marijuana is more of making your brain more malleable. I believe that's exactly why ordinary everyday things turn amazing, because you become a child experiencing it for the first time.
If you go to church high every Sunday, then you are probably more likely to have an even stronger faith in God.
If you get high and immerse yourself in society and mainstream culture, then that becomes life and reality.
yep , weed is just recreational , infact my friends were/are hard stoners and now a days they lace their blunts with other shit too because its not enough .
The thing is, weed is good for occasional use and if you have a stable state of mind. It becomes problematic when you smoke that shit everyday.
And like you, I have woke stoner friends and also know "sheep" who think John Oliver is a good news source talk about how weed will save humanity or some nonsense like that.
why couldn't you say if your intelligent it'll make you smarter? because you can't swallow your own bullshit lol
When your stoned you probably find the shit you think of smart .
It's different for everyone lol there have been many times where I've solved like, programming problems for example, that I've been stuck on for days just by thinking while high
'many times' i don't know man i just call bullshit
you probably solved a problem maybe once or twice by luck because why didn't you say 'i always get stoned to solve hard programming problems' /print so like i was saying w/e to each their own from my experience of the people around me it doesn't work AT ALL ()
That's pretty close minded to say if it didn't work for me and my friends it doesn't work at all.
But anyways, usually when I'm stoned I think about things (obviously) which, sometimes, includes my job and I come up with solutions to certain bugs that I know I wouldn't have come up with sober. I say that because I've smoked enough to notice a difference in thinking high v sober.
It's not bad if you're more "dumb" while high lol I'd say the majority of the time I feel dumb while high. It's honestly what was described above as "thinking outside of the box". But it ultimately goes back to being different for everyone. If you're "dumber" while high (I don't like using that because it sounds derogatory), then embrace it. It's just what happens to you. No need to be weird about it bro lmao
it's not closed minded at all, its similar to how scientist conduct experiments, by observation . i used to live in the hood in NY where all people do is smoke TONS of weed. And let me tell you something boy , none of them made anything out of their lives till they decided to stop smoking. INFACT most of them know its a problem its why they always say "NA i quit bro" they'll last like a few days to maximum a month and go back to it.
If I observe that all my male friends are good at math and all my female friends are bad at math does that mean that only males are good at math? No. observational can help come to a conclusion but is not at all conclusive in itself. Actual conclusiveness would involve looking at regions of the brain which are effected during the high, not seeing people in the hood of NY be lazy lol
so you observed yourself solved a couple problems vs me observing an entire community of the hardest smokers and somehow you are correct in your 'conclusion' . Better stop smoking the marijuana man it's clearly not helping.
Bro I'm pretty sure I repeated more than a couple times that I'm sure it's different for everyone. There also must be a difference between NYC hoodlums and someone who's grown up in a "privileged" community. I also waited until after highschool to start. there's a lot of factors to consider my dude.
I gave you clear replies earlier that weren't that hard to comprehend. If you're having issues with that, that's on you.
What you're saying is that you witnessed a group of people not do shit with their lives after smoking weed therefore weed makes you dumb (to put it simply). Take that to anyone who has completed a high school education and they will immediately point the flaws in that argument. The one thing you're [supposed to be] taught is that personal exprience means jack shit when arguing.
"My friends and I easily passed highschool so that means everyone should easily pass highschool" That's true with your logic. I would love for you to tell me with full sincerity that you agree with that logic.
WRONG, its not only different for everyone , its also useless for everyone and society other than recreational. You want to think outside the box? outside your realm and see how irrelevant weed is? try DMT you'll only need to break through once in your entire life and never need it again and will be a better person from it for sure.
Also the person not getting it is you, you said you solved a problem here and there and now weed is incredible meanwhile most hoods in america use weed , then move onto something stronger i am not just talking about my inner circle.
What about people who don't need the drugs but regularly see things other people do when they're high? A little hypocritical to call them crazy I think.
You don't need to alter your mind with mushrooms or synthetic poisons. Meditate, eat well, reflect, spend time in nature, read. Expand your mind and you will see past all the bullshit. You don't need drugs.
Alan Watts once said regarding psychedelics, when we get the message, hang up the phone. And I believe the message comes in a variety of different forms but it all involves becoming more present and active in our current realities. That is to say, if you are using psychedelics to escape your life, you are doing it wrong. The point is to take the message of unity and interconnectedness of a psychedelic trip and implement it in our actual lives, bettering ourselves, our relationships, and hopefully the community at large. Psychedelics should be used to bring you closer to reality not farther away from it.
There's no dichotomy here. You don't need anything at all, you're already perfect. Yet, technology such as meditation, knowledge of nutrition, as well as psychoactive plants exist, and in many cases they maybe be useful.
Sure, you don't need them. All you need is to sit down and watch the mind, but for those of us who find that hard to do, psychedelics present an effective path to transformation.
Psychedelics aren't necessary, but they're not necessarily an obstacle either. I would generally recommend sticking to the natural kind though.
Psychedelics are like taking a flight over the path up the mountain. You can see all the twists, turns and even the destination. However they are no replacement for walking those trails for yourself.
I'd like to think I see the bigger picture already. IMO, what people experience while under the influence of a mind altering substance are simply hallucinations. Different hallucinations for different people, depending on their mental health and capacity, and their surroundings and personal beliefs. End of the day they are just hallucinations.
Personally I view them as a way of interacting with my subconscious. Is it really my subconscious or just hallucinations? I have no idea, however it has been beneficial for me.
There are multiple paths to achieve expanded consciousness. Whether it be through meditation or psychedelics or both, I say go for it. Glad you have found a way that works for you.
They’re not poisons, you ass, they’re medicine. They help facilitate mind expansion and healing for those who don’t have a grasp of the tools or time to meditate like a pro or immediate transform their life into an image of perfect health. You should try them, maybe it would help you be a little less condescending.
Be.fucking.careful when you are venturing into the world of psyches.
With no question, they will strip you down of all mental barriers hoisted up and enforced by society. The veil will be lifted and there is no going back. Not that it's a bad thing, but can cause a great ordeal of stress attempting to readjust to whatever the fuck it is we have been conditioned to deem normal.
Alan Watts once said regarding psychedelics, when we get the message, hang up the phone. And I believe the message comes in a variety of different forms but it all involves becoming more present and active in our current realities. That is to say, if you are using psychedelics to escape your life, you are doing it wrong. The point is to take the message of unity and interconnectedness of a psychedelic trip and implement it in our actual lives, bettering ourselves, our relationships, and hopefully the community at large. Psychedelics should be used to bring you closer to reality not farther away from it.
This is by far the best way I've seen it put. That's what it's all about, man, what can you do RIGHT NOW to improve your life? Acid puts the idea in your mind, but if you don't try to incorporate into your life, it's essentially a waste.
"Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..."
This so much. I personally experienced this off of cid, my veil was lifted about a year ago after I did 2 micro(before the most I had done was 6 regular). It has been EXTREMELY stressful haha. I wouldnt change anything though. Most of the the mental barriers were lifted and it was such a shock im still not sure if it made me insane. Life is so different now.
However I will say ive sworn off nonorganic drugs. LSD is a powerful tool, I experienced its power and im scared to see what's further down the rabbit hole. So ima try some magic mushrooms and see how it goes.
I guess im trying to say you gotta be careful, because I didnt expect any of what happened, and I feel like I almost didnt make it back.
I can very much confirm this. For the last 2 to 3 years I've been taking a bunch of psychedelics up until recently. Some of the things that your Consciousness shows you wont always be fun and can give you a great deal of PTSD and anxiety, and in extreme cases put you in a state of psychosis.
I’ve always had a hard time mentally but I have been too proud to get something done about it. It’s like a war going on in my mind. I knew I wasn’t about to get on anti depressants cause they would just numb me. Talking to people about my problems wasn’t really an option in my mind. I’ve get that the problems I deal with are my own, and getting other people involved is a waste of time, as everyone has their own issues. I started vaping thc about a month ago after not having any thc in my system for a couple years. At first I was just using it to help fall asleep (only using indica) Now I’m using a hybrid of Sativa and Indica and I’m the happiest I’ve been in 13 years. I feel motivated and I’m starting to spend time with people again. It’s amazing what it can do. These “drugs” still have a bad stigma attached to them from when we used to devilize them. However, living in Colorado, that tide is seriously changing. I think anything done in excess can be a bad thing. But if you moderate yourself, it can be an amazing tool.
I think anything done in excess can be a bad thing.
This is another reason its illegal. When it was harder to get I used to smoke way too much of whatever was available. Now its a known dose of specific oils in a vape pen. Puff here or there througout the day and I am good. Maybe a little number or 20mg edible a couple hours before bed and my life is very enriched.
Colorado is just such a shining example of how bad this needs to be legal. It is painful to think of all the lives ruined over this still. Anyone against it at this point is a criminal. There is too much knowledge available to claim ignorance of why it is actually legal.
My girlfriend and I did a large amount of psychedelics when we first met. Started with LSD and eventually stopped at Ayahuasca. I can confirm that it does just that. LSD and mushrooms opened us up, my girlfriend ended up quitting the military, and I moved away from the southern part of the US. When we finally ended up doing Ayahuasca, that was the end of it. I won't go into what happened afterwards or what I experienced, but I do believe people who are looking for something higher than themselves often look for that in psychedelics. We finally ended up finding that after Ayahuasca. That stuff is seriously not of this world. At least the experience.
Man, I'll try my best. I did a two night session at a place in Florida called soul quest. The first night it made me deal with a bunch of stuff from childhood and some emotional problems I never dealt with from the start of me taking psychedelics. I had some really bad anxiety, I literally thought I was dying. I projectile vomited, out of both ends, lol. Then after purging I immediately felt my anxiety go away and felt this very non human presence starting to surround me...or hang out with me...or something along those lines. It started describing to me what was going on in my head and why the things had happened to me in the current life I had chosen. It showed me that we were all tiny drops of a gigantic pool of consciousness that we mistake for god. I had very intense visuals when I closed my eyes. I kept seeing a giant face that was vibrating different florescent colors. And hovering in this void of vibrating particles. And that's when it get hard to explain. I started seeing a mixture of mental pictures and a internal voice speaking to me. Towards the end of the trip for the first night I heard in my head tell me that we would be working on more the next night.
So the next night, I went into it with a lot less anxiety. I didn't throw up or have stomach problems. The Ayahuasca was much more gentle. It didn't talk to me as much, but the visuals were very intense. I noticed that anything I thought was met by a deep philosophical explanation. But I noticed that any time I asked a very serious question, like what happens after I die, it would tell me that now was not the time. So more or less, it made me deal with what I could actually handle and digest for my first session. But later showed me that the next time I decided to do Ayahuasca that we would be going much deeper.
The thing about Ayahuasca is that what happens to you doesn't immediately digest. More or less, the following weeks and months turn into "ah ha" moments. I realized that the entire time I was speaking to my subconscious almost the entire time. Aya brought me to a place where I could communicate with my deeper self, and I realized at that moment that we were all tiny bits of God/consciousness. And that's when I realized I had found what I needed the entire time I was doing psychedelics. I had found who I truly was and I didn't need anything like that anymore. I would like to do Ayahuasca again, because I would like to get to a point where I'm finding even more out than I ever thought I could, if that's possible. But my girlfriend and I have since stopped doing all of that. We don't even smoke weed anymore. Minus the occasional glass of wine, we dig just being ourselves and experiencing life with one another.
Thanks for sharing!
How can our sub conscious selfs have so much knowledge that we dont?
Why did you and your girlfriend quit?
Can I find the way without the aid of psychedelics? I feel too overwhelmed and weed has helped me the very few times I have done it.
What does it mean that we are tiny droplets of consciousness, could help me understand?
Well, I will describe it as best I can with what I could piece together. The giant pool of Consciousness is where all of life is getting it's consciousness from. And if that the is the case, then all intelligent thought comes from that same consciousness and I think that is what alot of people semi witness in moments of intense emotion or passion and mistake for god. And if our subconscious comes from that place that every existing being will end up going back to and adding it's experience to that collective consciousness, then I would say that our subconscious is connected to a great intelligence.
Me and my girlfriend quit doing everything because it became too intense. One hit of LSD was doing what 4 hits of LSD would do, two years after heavy dosing.
And I would think that clean eating and practicing deep meditation seems to do it for the majority of people who are dedicated. Some people just don't have the patience to do that and dedicate their time to it, much like my girlfriend and I lol. So psychedelics seem to be a jump start for people. Just read the book "be here now", a guru said kind of the same thing. Weed just gives me crazy amounts of anxiety now, where it use to be very beneficial for me. That part I haven't been able to figure out.
Another perspective is that societies depend upon stability and convention to operate : rapid and out of control change is hard to manage and interrupts the normal flow. This is a problem because they tend to postpone necessary adaptation, and they also can tend to punish, strangle, or delay innovation.
Any creative process becomes difficult, and certain substances also have other side effects that are prone to abuse by charlatans or when people are in a state of despair. Repression goes beyond mere conservative tendencies and becomes psychopathic control, domination, and exploitation. Elites are going to want to use these substances for their own means to either exploit, or to push demand to products they can exploit, for example the pharmaceutical industry that is fine with drugs as long as they are granted the monopoly.
Had a bad time with weed edibles, felt like I was possessed for months then started praying to Jesus and it stopped.... Really spooky do you have any other suggestions
They take down social barriers and give light to what's really there. Everyone's too concerned about trends and how they look and the judgement of others and psychedelics take away that judgement so you now don't care about other people. It also comes at a cost, everyone will look at you differently and think they are smarter than you because you don't seem to care about the stupid shit they care about. This should be on r/trees lls
Hey, check out r/DMT if you're interested in learning more about it! There's lots to read about there. Everything from teks, trip reports, and more. Possibly r/Psychonaut too if that's your thing!
I would spend a month or two researching DMT itself before you take it. If you have never done any psychedelics before, don’t touch it. And know that there is nothing you can do to prepare yourself for what is about to hit you except to open your mind and body to the impossible.
Most people choose to smoke DMT in its crystal form. It might seem pretty degenerate smoking from a “meth pipe”, but that’s honestly the most effective way to ingest it. Effects can last 3 hours or more when orally ingested along with an MAOI, such as an ayahuasca brew, but that’s a whole nother story. Clear your entire day, despite the 15-30 minute duration, have someone who has experience in psychedelics tripsitting you for the entire duration (as you might go “unconscious” and they’ll be monitoring your breathing), and DOSE CORRECTLY. Your trip may vary from a heavy body-load with intense visuals and otherworldly thoughts to a full-blown trancelike state where you completely lose consciousness and separate from your own reality. While in this trance you might use languages that don’t exist in this plane to speak with formless beings, in a body and consciousness that isn’t your own. You’ll feel like you’re being ripped from your own mind and thrown into a universe that you don’t understand whatsoever. I keep using “you” as a reference point but that’s irrelevant because all sense of self stops existing when you’ve “broken through”. Time? Some say it feels like only a few seconds while others say it lasts a millennia. You’ll be abruptly thrown back into your body by the end of it, questioning where you are and what the fuck just happened. You might remember just a fragment of your bright and confusing adventure, or have vivid recollections of that unintelligible “conversation” you had with Lord D’rr’thrax of nether realm 16.
I don't like the "natural substance" arguments. Cannabinoids, psilocybin, amygdalin (cyanide precursor), mycotoxins, all occur naturally.
If your argument for wanting shrooms to be legal is because it's naturally-occuring, you're also making the argument that your neighbor should be allowed to propagate black mold freely in the adjacent apartment unit, or grow poison ivy in his back yard just to burn and fill the neighborhood with irritating smoke.
They're legal to order in 47 states, I've been getting mine from sporeworks 4, 10ml syringes is about $40. There's a list of certified vendors on shroomery.org
My fiance and I actually make dates every month to do LSD in nature together because it brings us back to "reality". After a month of living in Corrupt-Human-Land, seeing clearly again keeps us sane.
Also dabs, everyday, justttt to keep our wits about us. Easy to get lost in this crazy world.
I smoked for the first time a few years ago and I have dramatically reshaped my worldview. I was always a staunch republican. Since then, I've realized how much we are misled to believe a story we are being told. That shift in perspective has led me on an enlightening journey. I really feel I've grown as a person and feel like I can see truth more clearly.
I believe you are wrong. If it would really brake the mental barriers there is NO way that it would be legalized in certain states. What is actually happening is that they are trying to purposefully normalize it. There is no real vote, democracy doesn’t exist. The elites will do whatever they want, just look at the situation with net neutrality. If they want to legalize something, they will. They want to legalize the use of marijuana because it disperses you from God. It’s one of the pathways to demonic possession, this is said by a satanist, not me.
I'll agree with you on the psychology front but wouldn't say the same for pot
Personally half the reason I'm an almost daily user is that it helps me to chill out and stop thinking about the problems of the world for an hour or so
Marijuana is illegal because hemp competed with the cotton industry way back when, and people who smoked it were often associated with people who protested against war. Marijuana actually competes with many industries and there has always been a strong desire among industry titans to keep this plant illegal for that reason, economics.
As for psychedelics, I imagine lots of people have been hurt using them and instead of teaching people how to do things safely, we'd rather practice abstinence only education and law.
Here are others:
1) Pot and psychedelics threaten profits for alcohol, tobacco, big pharma and many other industries. So they fight like hell to keep them illegal.
2) They provide an avenue for populating private, corporate prisons.
3) They prevent an income source for "off the books" funding for many black ops programs.
4) They provide an avenue/reasoning for militarizing the police forces around the nation.
If you ever experience the decline of someone you know due to an addiction you might have a different opinion. Marijuana should not be considered in the same context as opioids and synthetic drugs. But had drugs destroy lives. Good people become monsters. They severely damage their families and communities.
I do want to try micro dosing. And educational aids. But I'm not going to risk my job for it. I think it should be legal but I don't think there is some explanation beyond a heavy handed response to drug abuse.
Thanks again for reaffirming my belief that the people who make comments like this are top silly to know the difference between "reconfirming" and reaffirming.
I tripped last night on some shroom tea. I love the deep thoughts and the mental gymnastics. I felt like I could see into the other side and we interact like oil and water. I felt like I was thinking on a higher level, which with the number of connections your brain makes while high on psilocybin maybe I was.
no, the truth is mostly just compounded fear and ignorance. i doubt anyone in power realizes the true potential of what they do, because if they did, they'd be fully in support of mass enlightenment.
Absolutely. Experiences I had years ago on LSD, and even more so from mushrooms, had a profound, life-long effect on my worldview. It gives you a peek at some kind of mysterious "other side" of life. I actually felt connected to everything/everyone, plugged into whatever this thing called existence is, and it made me a spiritual person, where before I was pretty much your typical materialist-minded, hard-line, angry young atheist who dismissed anything "mystical" or not espoused by mainstream science. And it's hard to talk about it without spouting tired cliches, but it really was like having blinders removed and seeing how completely batshit off-the-rails insane our entire culture is. It's obvious they don't want those kinds of paradigm-shattering shifts in perception to be widespread among the populace. It's without a doubt a massive threat to the status-quo of imperialist late capitalism.
That's wrong. It's stupid drugtalk assigning too much power to substances and attaching too much truth to your own thoughts.
You can learn about yourself on psychs. You don't get to discover new great truths without new information. A substance alone can't do that regardless of the effects.
And if, a different shape is capable of being made out of the Legos that are currently in the Box only designed to be made into a spaceship, is the new shape of no value whatsoever?
I liked your metaphor and I like legos. My answer is that you can make lots of other things with the given bricks. Nothing larger though. Is rearranging the same collection of things giving you anything truly new?
Anecdotally I encounter plenty psych users that say they've got it all figured out after a good trip, but the supposed change thats coming or their new outlook never seems to manifest.
I don't know many people who use psychs and those that I do know don't claim to have it all figured out, so I can't comment on that, but I do believe that many people need therapy and can't or won't pay for it.
For those people, when, in the right mindset they use cognitive behavioral self therapy to analyze their own actions and outlooks they can help resolve many issues that would have taken years of paying someone else to help them with.
Doesn't mean that they rocket out of the event with clarity and purpose in life, but the little steps I have made with this have enabled me to feel happier about my life.
Highly anecdotal, I know. Sorry. I'm enjoying this conversation because it's obvious to me that you're a pretty respectful and reasonable person. It's a little rare to have this kind of conversation on Reddit.
Cbt sounds interesting, didn't know that is a thing. Glad psych use has worked out for you. My personal experience with psychedelics is inconclusive so far. The pros and cons have been sort of a wash for me, but I have enjoyed the research!
Ive always been taught the mind is what connects the body to the soul and that creates life. Unhealthy thoughts can turn into depression, suicidal tendencies, and premeditated harm.
Your brain is like a computer always processing everything and storing memory. The system we live in doesn’t work for us it works against us, and makes us overheat causing us too slow down.
It's maybe true for psychedelics, but marihuana it isnt in the same category. Pot makes you confortable. I can go and argue that in any case, POT makes you cool with things and not able to act on your ideals.
I am a addicted stoner trying to leave marihuana, and you can go and take a look at r/leaves the experiences of the addictive pot users... nobody will talk about liberation or open mental barriers, ironically, they talk just the opposite.
Hmm, i think that's part of the mystic of drugs in music or art, mostly. People love to buy the ideal of a alternative doped mind that comes to show us the truth or the beauty in life.
I've never heard that from marihuana (well maybe with some reagge bands), but did heard and see the role of cocaine has in musicians and bands. I think this is part of entertainment industry.
Also, artists tend to be weak to addictions, and are much much more exposed to drug dealers and shitty entertainment sellers (like managers who buy booze and bring whores to the camarin)
Absolutely. I'd heard this quote or similar long before I ever dabbled in any psychoactive substance. Then once I did, it became immediately apparent. I also believe that's why alcohol is the most readily available and commonly used drug. As a drug, alcohol sucks. It's a fairly strong CNS depressant but is very disorienting at large doses, is very unsafe, addictive, difficult to take at times, etc. But alcohol calms and depresses. You are in a more suggestive state. You are more willing to accept bullshit.
this is not to be taken seriously, but once when I was high I had the thought that weed was the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" from the genesis story in the Bible. Also on a more serious note, pretty sure the Sumerians and their "gods" who were the fallen angels gave us the knowledge to get high on various things.
You don't need any of that to think outside the box. They're illegal because for decades we've had stuffy people in charge who see drugs as degenerative substances.
I've done a shit ton of psychedelics and every time I do it I have new revelations. It helps me think, I listen to music differently. I hear the waves and see the beat. One of the most interesting thoughts I have during a trip is how interesting life is, why we are here, how did we get here? Every time I'm high I can't help but think life is just a simulation and none of this shit really matters. It helps me live my best life. I may not have a lot but I do have what I need & for that I'm thankful.
how is this not: Misleading, fabricated or sensationalist or
Self posts that lack context or content?
I took some psychedelics and still smoke a little. Drugs don't automatically reveal some deep, profound truths. Know what did reveal "what's really going on"? Reading books. Stop the new age garbage, pls.
then why did you explicitly state that they have some kind of direct causal relationship with perceiving "what's really going on", whatever that might be?
I said drugs don't automatically enlighten people, get told that's not what the post says (even though it pretty clearly does), then get condescension when I ask for clarification.
You're right of course. But this isn't a theory, it's history.
When one of the MK ULTRA sub projects went south, and the use of naturally occurring substances for the purposes of better handling of sensitive material were shown to have a stronger effect in the opposite direction, at first they were just defunded in favor of more easily controllable implant technologies pioneered by DelGado.
But, once LSD in particular escaped the lab, all bets were off. That single molecule in the right circumstances could undo psychological conditioning that it takes years of training and reinforcement to inculcate in test subjects such as armed forces personnel and agents from various agencies.
Though the company at the time loved to fuck with Hoover's boys in the experimental stages, ruining more tgan a few careers in the process, the Marines and Army also supplied subjects as did hospitals in the US and Canada along with certain universities. However a few doctors had some rather-unusual experiences. They banded together loosely to promote societal change through the use if these substances.
When Pandora's box opened and upper and upper middle class white kids suddenly started seeing the "system" for what it was it began to degrade the very foundations of the social order. Revolution was in the air. Panicked messages flew at a glacial pace through the bureaucracy as the "system" worked overtime to reel in this one little molecule.
It took criminalization and a shit ton of psy ops to finally put the lid back on. Once the "hippie" problem was dealt with (with cocaine, heroin and meth networks, Mockingbird style disinformation dissemination and political maneuvers) the "system" could go back to focusing on undoing Roosevelt's programs and continue siphoning off the wealth of the nation through the military industrial machine.
Good thinking OP. I think other reasons are that they compete with the liquor and pharma cartels (this one is obvious). Also, the private prison cartel depends on immoral drug laws to fill up and maximize profit. In addition, it conflicts with the push to starve government to justify privatizing everything. Look at all the new tax money they now have in Colorado thanks to legal weed, which is being used to improve government services. This is the opposite of what the neo-cons want.
For sure though, all of the stated reasons are bullshit cover stories.
When I started smoking marijuana, I had already begun looking deeper into the hidden world. What I noticed was when I would smoke and think or talk through whatever I was trying to figure out, the 'Aha' moment would come on faster. What would take me days or a really clear spell to figure out would just slot into place and it all became a clear picture.
But of course, they dissapear fast and once you're sober or at least not at the peak of the high the pieces would fall back apart and I'd forget what I actually figured out. To combat this, arm yourself with a notepad haha. This brings to mind when I was looking into Scientology, more specifically the 'engram clearing' rituals they perform. They describe the engrams as painful/traumatic stored past events, or scars in the mind that create a cycle and bring you back to your lower/stuck self when they're activated. This can hinder people for life without knowing that they are stuck in negative feedback loops. There are many other researchers coining their own terms for these "block/engrams/loops" that are all eerily similar with a name change, but this was the main one I was looking into. Makes a great Wiki read hunt.
Engram
“a definite and permanent trace left by a stimulus on the protoplasm of a tissue. It is considered a unit group of stimuli impinged solely on the cellular being.”
So I think taking psychedelics and marijuana(to a smaller extent) temporarily clears your mind of these mental barriers so we can get a better handle on reality.
Did it really? That's interesting, thanks for your input. I actually have a condition that is lifelong if remission isn't achieved and I've been trying to find any way that could help. Cheers
In college last year I smoked a lot of weed, like everyday. Some of it was synthetic off the dark web (not the wisest decision, as I found out afterwards it was likely laced with PCP). Long story short I began realizing that I’m just a part of the system. College felt like a complete scam, especially having to pay for and take bullshit Gen Ed classes that have no benefit to me other than waste my time and dumb me down. So, eventually I smoked too much of the synthetic shit and ended up in the hospital with a mental breakdown. Smoking the synthetic stuff was a mistake, but not the natural. I haven’t done any drugs since then, but the experience has woken me up. I now see that society has been rigged for centuries. Where there is money and power, there is corruption. Everything makes sense now.
Or it could be the opposite, drugs are specifically promoted to the youth to keep them weak and pre-occupied. We know the CIA purposely distributed LSD to young people, and probably still does.
I agree, although I'd caution people against the idea that marijuana, or even all psychedelics are completely harmless. Having a megadose of weed brownies at 25 really fucked me up and caused some lasting issues. Also, edibles are metabolized by the liver and produce a different drug than smoked cannabis.
Of course, all these issues could be solved if these drugs were legal in a therapeutic setting, but we definitely won't have that any time soon, sadly.
I dont think it breaks mental barriers I just think the intensify and use parts of the brain that we don't use on the day to day. Have you ever noticed how more creative you can be on weed then in your normal day to day?
I agree completely but there's a valid counter point that being stupid baked/tripped off your ass while driving is way dangerous (I can vouch for that) and we see how many people follow the drinking and driving rules currently (though they're a bit absurd). I'd love to buy both at the local grocery but if you had a population of people driving and tripping way more than normal, we'd have bad times. Though self driving cars are already taking over...
I wish we could say society would act responsibly with it and be careful with regards to others (self driving cars and uber negate that part). I'm always in favor of more rights for the people as long as the elite don't trick or poison us from it. Maybe, get busted once and can't get more for 6 months (if it's driving related). Honestly, with self driving cars and robots replacing workers across the board, I see vast legalization so people are groovy and pacified.
get busted once and no more driving would be incentive to behave
No it wouldn't. Countless people risk their lives by drinking and driving and shit where the rule is "do it once and theres a pretty decent chance you'll never do anything again"
Whether it's strict and lax punishment, people will do as they do. Like subsidies and rebates, we need a proper incentive for people to want to enjoy it responsibly. I'm still way for making things legal and available, I just think it'll be a bigger shift in societies thinking than we can fully grasp and technology will move things even quicker.
Agreed, most do it responsibly but never everyone. I think the sellable part is class. Make it sexy and it'll sell itself (hard to imagine a mushroom commercial though). You can still get in trouble if you're highly intoxicated in public on anything. The drunk driving laws don't apply to you if you don't drive inebriated or otherwise... My vote would be to make very low potency forms of all medicine/drugs/intoxicants legal and accessible and let people (properly informed) take what they want.
Including that obscenely wealthy plutocrats are committing crimes against humanity by hoarding socially recognized/protected property rights, which, in an age of automation and rapidly advancing technology is arguably worse than slavery and Holocaust combined. It's the difference between enslaving/killing a few tens of millions of people and enslaving all of humanity, i.e., billions of people, for property rights that don't improve their quality of life at all.
The Prison/Jail Industry is a multi-billion dollar industry along with the fact that police departments can steal all of your stuff and keep it or sell it off to fund themselves if they suspect that you are selling illegal plants or substances this is why these things are illegal. They make billions putting people in cages and stealing their things.
I've never done psychedelics, though the mind-opening possibilities of them intrigue me. On the other hand, I know people who have done them, and overall I'd consider myself more open-minded and unconventional in my thinking than they are. I guess I don't see the results I'd expect to from people who have had and reported to embrace such "out of the box" experiences.
The fact that you boast that you're more woke than your friends makes me think that you would benefit from a little time in a box where you don't know anything. I would recommend Alduous Huxley's The Doors of Perception if you don't want to take the literal leap.
I don't mean to sound like I'm boasting. I have read The Doors of Perception. One of my favorite quotes is "I know that I know nothing." It's just an observation of people who have tripped, reported perception altering experiences, but then seem to just go back to who they were before.
Maybe some people genuinely take hold of their perceptions and actively apply them to their beliefs and life choices, while for others the implications are too scary and run back to consensus reality. I think we've all seen on this sub how cognitive dissonance works in some people, maybe that's what's at the root of it, how a person could experience a greater reality, but then drop it and go on like nothing happened.
I swear the most cliche things always get upvoted on this sub drugs are fun but they arent necessary. Everything you "learn" while on drugs can be learned while sober. Why do drugs help you "see what is really going on". What have people "learned" on drugs that they couldnt have learned sober?
Drugs are a lot of fun until they aren't. They help you look at the world with different eyes. That feeling is very seductive and its easy to fall into a trap of making that special, altered reality your regular reality. Unfortunately, the real world goes on all around you while you are playing in wonderland. You wake up and realize a lot of shit has gotten past you and you missed a lot of opportunities. Now you are old and you need to figure shit out.
The most cliche in every sub. I think people have experiences on drugs because their own daily routines, do not allow for critical thinking. So when they take drugs they're 'freeing' their mind to think about things outside of their realm. Most drugs are euphoric, one way or the other, so when you take them is hard to not listen to your subconscious which cannot lie to itself.
Sure, you have them sober. But your normal mental routines, do not allow for creative, alternate routes of the happiness your brain is truly looking for.
When I take mushrooms my ability to read people goes up exponentially. I frequently play at the Hard Rock in Hollywood and always do best while using, it's like I am ultra aware of player 'tells' and the possible hands available from the cards layout (more than my usual). It definitely opens the mind in ways that should be explored, I have had amazing experiences.
I for one believe that pot doesnt do shit, you think you have a major breakthrough and that you found everything out, but you still don’t do shit and watch cartoons all night. i can speak from experience and watching dozens of „illuminated“ friends over years...
During a couple of psychedelic experiences I have literally felt my body morph into different animals. On 5 Hits of LSD, I painted a mural of sea creatures in a friends house, and as I was doing so I felt my body literally transforming into a turtle, a shark, a seahorse, a jellyfish, and a giant squid over the course of about 8 hours. Another time, in a sensory deprivation floatation tank, I swam along through all the oceans and rivers in the world, shape shifting into different animals. To someone that hasn't done high level psychedelics, it might seem like a novelty or something experienced in a dream. But it was, to me, literally as real and concrete as everyday reality. Those experiences converted me from someone who cared nothing about the health of the environment (or even my own health) to someone who is deeply commited to living a life in accordance with nature, and taking care of my body equally well. And once you realize how commercialism and the global economy is turning the planet to a toxic waste dump, it's impossible to continue with the charade of modern life. This path led me to sustainability, self-sufficiency, gardening, and permaculture, and the realization that the entire American ideal has been built on a Type 1 Error. So yeah, I can vouch for psychedelics as being an enormously formative and life-altering event, (Note: They can also be very dangerous, even to someone who considers themselves a veteran, I literally almost died due to ego death on a bad Mushrooms trip, ended up in the hospital with a brain hemmorhage due to hitting my head under the influence.) I guess it's sort of like what Alan Watts said, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone".
They can fuck up your life. You can see lots of examples of stoners and junkies who's lives are screwed. In smaller doses, at the right time in a person's life, they can help people who are stuck. But, there is no way to predict who will be helped, and who harmed.
I used to think this kind of shit when I did acid, shrooms, ketamine and smoked weed all day. Then when I stopped I realized it was fucking retarded and I was just high 90% of the time.
Likely not because they break down mental barriers. Money comes first for the ruling elite, so they're likely banned because the pharmaceutical industry would much rather treat the gigantic population of mentally ill and depressed with their own highly profitable meds. That and most substance laws date back to highly conservative Christian times where all drugs were considered evil.
This is it exactly. The whole government construct is based on a sober or alcohol induced perspective. When you alter your conscience with mj or psychedelics, you see the flaws in the system much more clearly.
Are you familiar with the theory that says that psychedelics are how the apes advanced into humans? Maybe we are nearing the next phase of our evolution?
I disagree, in my view marijuana is a gateway drug into causing cognitive dissonance. Why? Because you smoke it and obviously it's less dangerous than alcohol, so you immediately think the government is a liar. That cognitive dissonance from realizing marijuana isn't "bad"
like you've been told makes you start looking at other things differently,
Psychedelics make you less susceptible to propaganda. It doesn't make you more enlightened or see beyond the real world it just makes you question things as seeing and hearing isn't always believing. After all remember that time the walls looked like they were melting? Yeah that didn't really happen so it makes you look more intently at blanketed and exaggerated statements. Also the government did a lot of research into LSD and found it to be mostly useless but potent. This actually makes LsD a bit dangerous even tho the average person can experience it with little to no side effects. Someone could also take way to much, we are talking 100-1000 times the necessary dose, which can cause extreme emotional and mental distress leading to PTSD or the emergence of otherwise dormant mental illness because that person took to big of a shot. For example look at Pont-Saint-Esprit, screwing up your dosage could keep you awake for days and even lead you to accidentally cause your own death. During the mass Poisoning several residents of the town threw themselves from windows some to make it stop others because they believed they could fly. And marijuana is illegal because the timber oil and cotton industries lobbied to make Hemp illegal int he early 20th century as hemp (marijuana) was a cheap alternative for their raw materials. Also prohibition had just ended so the head of the DEA was about to lose his job unless he found a new substance to crack down on.
Final note on psychedelics the only pharmaceutical value they offer is in combination with real counseling . Shrooms won't make your depression go away on their own. LSD and Ibogain won't cure your addictions on their own. MDMA doesn't magically cure PTSD. The only real medicinal use for any of these psychedelics where they work on their own is shrooms for cluster headaches.
Isn't the foundation of philosophy based on the premise of questioning everything? Weird how we are still talking about ancient philosophers when that clearly isn't a strength...
I've tried lsd and I don't see how it would make you believe you can fly. I don't believe that one bit. You're still aware of what's dangerous and what's not
My experiences with psychedelics (mushrooms and Acid) have opened my mind more than I ever thought possible. When partaking, I feel as though I'm tapping into a collective conscience that is ever present yet just out of our grasps during waking consciousness.
I feel as though I understand the cycle of life and death better, my individual purpose, and the collective purpose of nature better.
I forget any money trouble or relationship issues, they matter not, there is only love.
(This coming from someone who never tried weed until 25 and psychedelics until 30 and lived a rather conservative life style prior.)
I feel the same. I'm 18 and tried physcadelics. I feel more connected with people and nature. I'm more caring to people. Even people I don't know. I also cherish great moments I had more than I ever did before. I feel life is more than just working a 9-5.
Marijuana and psychedelics used to be illegal because the .gov wanted a productive workforce to make money which could be taxed to fight off the Germans and the Russians.
Now marijuana is becoming legal because a certain political party wants your mind to be pliable and unquestioning, easily manipulated by your emotions.
I 100% agree. I think it also not just the high itself but how a mindset can be transformed after the high. That is what is really concerning to those who seek to enslave us under their own intention of doing the right thing aka Sheep Hearding.
No. I've taken all manner of drugs and watched other people take all manner of drugs and can tell you that you're not enlightened, you're just high. You're not breaking down mental barriers, you're breaking down brain cells.
Shhhh, don't tell them marijuana is addictive, has a withdrawal effect, causes hormonal imbalances and smoking or vaping it increases their risk of cancer.... they can't handle it!
Dumbest shit I've heard. Physcadelics arnt like drugs such as cocaine or heroin or whatever your brain washed to believe. They're something you take maybe once or twice in a lifetime and you see what truly matters of life
Anyone who needs psychedelics to get to the point where they believe in a non-consensus view of reality poses no meaningful risk to the status quo. Evidence:the 1960s.
After awhile of smoking cannabis I feel like I notice messages in the news, media and even in commercials and other television. People say I'm just paranoid, but I truly don't think I am. I'm just seeing things that others aren't. Cannabis has definitely opened my eyes into seeing the truth of the world around me.
I'm convinced of this too. It's why drugs really will save the world. The root of the problem is in our minds. Enough people turn on to their compassion and the bizarre mystery that's suffusing us, and the capitalist ecocide has to end.
Everyone who agrees or upvotes this post is having (subversive) added to their government profile. It’s so trivially easy to maintain a database of usernames and real people these days with the computing power that exists.
I don’t disagree with “control”, as humans are capable of great savagery, and with thousands and millions of overlapping but conflicting (of the deadly kind) perspectives the result is chaos with mass violence— it is simply a fact that we are not sufficiently self-disciplined and self-aware to manage ourselves in the midst of opposition and opportunity. Of course, that we now possess the knowledge to elevate us only makes the systems of human management (governments and institutions) brightly display their secondary goal: profit.
That is the TRUE problem with many current systems of governance— the elevation of life seems secondary to profit.
I had a close friend of mine who grew up in Kentucky, he was fairly liberal, but extremely patriotic, he came from a military family. Another friend of mine mentioned a 9/11 theory to him once and he flew off the handle and started freaking out and stormed out. A few months later the two of them were doing Mushrooms together and she started explaining all the facts and shit. After a few hours when the trip calmed down they put on Loose Change, I doubt he would have been so receptive to that information if it weren't for the psychedelics. It's not like these two friends aren't very close, but his mental barriers for a subject that sensitive were just so powerful, sometimes you need an external variable.
I doubt it. Be specific about what you think is going on? How you think the drugs would help? All they do is make you chill out and see things in different perspectives than you would normally. They might make you more peaceful but peace is useful for governments as much as war
They are illegal because they cause schizophrenia. Go read some medical journal articles and educate yourself. Sounds like an addict trying to convince themselves
Drugs are illegal due to a combination of Religions Conservatism and Faux Political Conservativism that demonized Drugs in order to circumvent Slavery for their For Profit Prisons, and also to robthe Left wing of voters.
Go to Google earth and search Miami federal court house. The view from top down blew my mind. That is when I knew these people talking about admiralty law were spitting truth.
Quite to the contrary, consciousness comes down to vibration or "cycles" with most people starting our partially in sync with the universal common consciousness, what eastern religions call the "third eye" is just a shift in frequency of your own consciousness closer to the common consciousness. Plenty of animals are closer to the common consciousness than humans.
The majority of drugs will take you further away from this, with one exception DMT, as dmt is secreted by your brain as you die to give you understanding and peace in your final moments.
well yeah, obviously. Why else would they be illegal? It's not like weed and shrooms are hurting anybody. The fucking government wants you to remain as stupid as possible. Go back to watching TV.
I agree, simply they help people think outside the box we have been manipulated our entire lives to think inside of? Most older folk I talk to don't even want to hear real news, they just care about work and getting by each day and only what's around them and gossip so much boring bulsht over and over.. I cant be around these people they find it mentally streesfull very depressing and to much on their psyche to think of anything other than what they see each day..
A home owner can have their property taken if they have one plant over the government allotted amount. Seizure is a big thing these days. The only reason for the pretend legalization is so authorities can take properties.
I hear this often about marijuana..and as a career smoker who frequently takes layoffs for work...I can tell you that if you think weed is mind opening, try being completely sober....
Basically. When I took LSD all I could do was laugh at how utterly pointless our existence is. How we are the ants building at hills for others to sit and get what they want. How their threats only have power due to everyone complying and how spending so much time scared is worthless.
Do what you love and spend it with those you love. Literally fuck politics, news. I even think conspiries are unhealthy after the trip because there isn't a solution. Kennedy got killed by the CIA? So what? What we ever going to do about it?
I'm not saying to not have a Job. I'm just saying in general there are people who main focus is there job for their whole life. I'd take time to appreciate the world
What's so bad about taking phycadelics? I wouldn't know how to achieve that without them. I didn't even know I could change my view of the world like that
I'm pretty sure the real reason drugs are illegal is because of the profit from the drug war. Government and metacapitalism/corporativism at their best.
Allllrigjt that’s enough Conspiracy Theory for a lifetime but TL;DR The British fucked the Chinese over with opioids and the British realized how easy it was to hook a nation and make them drug dependent. So not much to do with “TALKING” more to do with not having a drug dependency. (I don’t think this really applies to Marijuana but others? Of course.)
I'm of the opinion that marijuana is pushed so hard by the powers that be onto us because they want us weaker, more docile, and less quick witted. It hasn't exactly done wonders for the African American community either ;(
One or two trips on LSD over a lifetime would be enlightening but disagree on pot. Pot feeds right into a system of consumerism and complacent population.
I recently had my first breakthrough on DMT, and among all the other perspectives and understandings that I came back with, one was that there is no way that TPTB (I wouldn't even say it's governments) don't know what consciousness really is, why we are all here, where we came from, and the sheer indescribable beauty of being and love available to all of us, hidden in plain sight. To try and hide it by laws and the very real threat of prison time is definitely the biggest conspiracy of them all, and one I understand now will be known by everyone when they die [spoken like a true space cadet; I know how it sounds].
I think thats possible, though I believe its more likely because it create a market with the overhead of any botanical garden that can produce remedies far cheaper than perscription drugs. They also don't have to same side effects which lead X% of people to take one drug as a way to counter act issues caused by another. Marijuana would also directly impact the massive market developed around treating the symptoms of cancer and its symptoms. These are billion dollar industries, bound by legions of beaurocrats all tied up within the system to ensure it functions as its supposed to, income for the super rich. Thats why people are still debating whether its harmful eventhough it was definitely proven decades ago to be perfectly benign and in fact helpful with many psychological problems AND can, if tuned appropriately, completely remove the need for NSAID pain relievers.
I disagree here. I don't think we want the average psychedelic-user(specifically) making important decisions about our society. Marijuana? Well, I think its legal in DC, so its not stretch to think some of our lawmakers are partaking when in DC for session. I know I sure would be with that clusterfuck.
But still, I think you're a bit off in this assumption.
I haven't smoked/tripped in a long time actuslly. But it's still obvious how everything works in this world. If you don't have experience don't say anything
I'm sympathetic with people who have chronic pain they try to manage... But personally I try to watch everything I eat and drink, limiting the amount of substances that have mind-affecting properties... even caffeine, alcohol, and otc cold medications. Even most tap water in major cities is laced with the medications people pee out and/or is pumped in by the govt.
I have a nephew who fell for this crap, had a complete psychotic breakdown requiring hospitalization from taking shrooms. Will never be the same again. Did not experience enlightenment, just became disabled. Fuck you shroom and psychedelic propagandists.
Cannabis for cancer, great. Everything else: if you happen to be part of the percentage of the population who for whatever reason possess brain chemistry that gets destroyed from even ONE hit of psychedelics, let the buyer be warned.
It’s illegal because TPTB realize you can be controlled through the dangerous drugs such as meth, crack, and heroin. Psychedelics and cannabis remain outlawed because they are uncontrollable; meaning that the drug has no physical dependence for the user (psychological, maybe). I understand all these drugs remain illegal at any level regarding the US Coding of Controlled Substances but think about it... When was the last time someone OD’d on pot? Never has that been found on the death certificate of any person as the primary cause of death “Acute toxicity of cannabis.” That just sounds fake lol. So we keep the more dangerous drugs at a level that would remain controllable to the general public (I.e. low income cities, DEA turning a blind eye on how the drugs enter the country via gangs/cartels) and they make the psychedelic drugs more controllable to the general public by attributing it’s dangers and effects to the equivalency of heroin.
The cycle continues and continues. The DEA blames a lack of scientific and medical use as the reason cannabis remains schedule I. Even though how many states have passed some form of decriminilazation on the drug for either recreational or medicinal purposes. They also don’t disclose that in order to really study the drugs effects in needs to be declassified. Currently there is only 1 location in the country where this drug is studied at the federal level. I bet this supports honest and non-bias research. So if the federal government is the one that is controlling the research to further validate the DEA’s preconceived beliefs, how will reform ever pass on the national level?
It won’t. And that’s been clear as day with the given administration. You have the Keebler elf dictating from his tree hole information he clearly has no scientific or medical understanding of. This is a man who is on record stating that marijuana is only slightly less awful than heroin. Either Jeff Sessions has preconceived beliefs that 2018 is 1938 and Reefer Madness is ramping up to wage war on all Americans OR he has personal interests on keeping the drug as Schedule 1 at the federal level. Follow the money and it will lead you to more of the reasoning why this drug remains illegal at the federal level.
I recently got to try LSD for the first time at 24 years old. I have now been dosing twice a month for the past 4 months.
I have made some of the most positive changes that I have ever made in my life. I feel better than I ever have before. Down 24lbs, quit drinking, quit smoking cannabis etc.
After taking it for the first time I became slightly obsessive with learning about LSD and it's history.. I came across a video of clinical trials with LSD from back in the 60's/70's that had commentary from both the doctor and the patient they dosed. At the peak of his trip, he stated "I... I just feel like I have no enemies in the world"
I think that alone says a LOT about why it's illegal. Its not easy to monger fear with the general public if they feel they have no enemies.
Are you just namedroppimg random good things to come from the 80s? OK i guess I'll namedrop 3 random bad things to come from the 80s. Or not because that's a stupid fucking argument.
can cause "ego death" and other "revealing" sensations
Have you experienced any of these "revealing" sensations yourself, or are you coming from a more literalist framework? Some of us happen to believe, to know in our bones even, that the divine is real.
From my experience, you grow up in a certain culture, era, society, etc., and you are kind of indoctrinated from an early age with your culture's values and assumptions. So, being born in hyper-consumerist late 20th-century America, I was kinda programmed to view my fellow humans as competitors, and to place importance on superficial/material things like money, "cool" clothes, flashy possessions, social status, etc. Mainstream American culture is generally very shallow, materialist, and just spiritually bankrupt. We are expected to accept things like war, poverty, inequitable class divisions, etc. as natural and inevitable parts of life. Psychedelics just make it easier to see how all of this shit is ultimately an empty construct that has been foisted upon us, and that our species is capable of so much better.
The thing about psychedelics is, they don't really give you anything that isn't already there inside you. They just make it easier to access these deeper levels of thought and experience. I believe that even the Greek etymology of the word "psychedelic" is roughly "mind-discovery." So you're really just discovering latent parts of your own mind and reality (as opposed to other drugs like alcohol, benzos, opiates, cocaine, etc. that are more about getting "fucked up" and making yourself temporarily oblivious to reality).
They don't control the narrative on the internet, unlike they have been on radio and tv since it's inception, so that's a BiG problem for them. That's why one of the tactics that's widely used now is misinformation, they throw so much stuff out there, so it's harder to pick apart the facts.
I would never drive on psychedelics... you'd catch me blacked out drunk behind a wheel before you catch me high on acid driving. That's absolutely insane!
Bro I'm pretty sure I repeated more than a couple times that I'm sure it's different for everyone. There also must be a difference between NYC hoodlums and someone who's grown up in a "privileged" community. I also waited until after highschool to start. there's a lot of factors to consider my dude.
Shulgin was a weird character. Aside from the obvious inventions of hundreds of psychedelics detailed in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, he was a member of Bohemian Grove and gave lectures at Burning Man.
I was doing some research on the pineal gland recently. Super interesting stuff. Many consider it to be a "third eye" of some sort, and the flouride in our water supplies calcifies the pineal gland and essentially makes it useless. If anyone has more information on this II'd love to hear.
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1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Psychadelics, yes. You take mushrooms one time and you'll know that there is more to life than working 9 to 5. Marijuana, possibly. I know, initially, it was banned because of ability to threaten the textile industry. It also has many positive effects on your mental state and alters your way of thinking, usually for the better.
1 IAMAExpertInBirdLaw 2018-01-21
Specifically Dupont and their line of business selling newspaper to Europe. Hemp paper became more popular and the secretary of the treasury was heavily invested in them.
It's always about the money
1 NotDaFeds 2018-01-21
Hemp oil can also replace many of our other oil based products.
1 skrimpstaxx 2018-01-21
Hemp has thousands of uses, the shit is fucking magical as fuck
1 Sun-Mar-27 2018-01-21
Nylon was developed specifically to compete with hemp rope.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
What is the evidence for this claim?
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
I don't know if that was the intent of the invention and I'm not who you asked, but if you get the chance read Jack Herer's "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." In it he has copies of a share-holder's report issued by DuPont basically saying they were going to make a lot of money becasue of changes they managed certain branches of government to make to certain laws. Believe it was blatantly referring to their nylon invention wiping out hemp being used as rope.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
I wonder if there are any copies of this report floating around online.
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
http://jackherer.com/emperor-3/chapter-4/
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Thanks for digging that up.
It seems like a tenuous piece of evidence for the claim in question, to be honest.
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
Sure thing. If you read the entire chapter, and consider this report came out the year they criminalized cannabis, I think you may reconsider. But, perhaps not. It's not my mission to convince anyone, just share info :)
1 ThatBankTeller 2018-01-21
And because it was an easy excuse to arrest minorities in the 20s and 30s. I don’t think “the system” fights counterculture as much as it did back then, but it’s the root of the perpetuation of those laws, which just become false facts to a lot of people still to this day.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
People keep repeating this argument as if black people are forced to sell drugs. Poverty is not an excuse to break the law. No one is crying for the white meth cooks because they were just trying to make money. Stop trying to twist everything into white on black injustice. Arresting criminals for committing crimes is not racist.
1 rougekhmero 2018-01-21
It was racist when the president (Nixon) explicitly stated that the target for marijuana offences was specifically 'blacks and hippies'.
1 Russian_Bot_737 2018-01-21
That wasn't the actual president Nixon. It was his director of policy or something like that.
Not arguing the quote, just trying to provide some contacts.
1 Poobyrd 2018-01-21
Then get the actual name and position of the guy who said it. It was domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman. It took me 30 seconds of Googling.
1 Russian_Bot_737 2018-01-21
I'm sorry, I'm lazy. I'll admit it.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
How does this force black people to sell weed?
1 Opouly 2018-01-21
It doesn’t. But “blacks and hippies” were the ones using it the most before it was made illegal. So they were using it to make money before it was illegal.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
And white guys were using insider information to trade stocks before it was illegal. Now that it is illegal do you think the SEC is racist for arresting them?
1 Opouly 2018-01-21
Yep
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Thats not all what he claimed and america was certainly built on racism.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
Fuck off. You can't build a country on racism. That make no fucking sense what so ever. Spare me your virtue signalling bullshit.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
What the actual fuck are you talking about? You certainly can and this country certainly was, along with most. But fine close your ears and shout curse words. Seems to be doing you well.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
This country was built on the feeling you get when someone is looking at the back of your head. And if you can't see that you are just willfully blind.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Thanks for the laughs kid.
1 Opouly 2018-01-21
This country was built on the ground. That’s about it. Maybe some random thoughts from a few choice people but nothing significant enough to last outside of the constitution and now we just try and think about what they meant when they wrote it.
1 Feminist_Af 2018-01-21
This country was literally built on the backs of Native and African Americans.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
That is an ignorant reductionist view that does not reflect reality.
First, the Natives lived in tribal hunter gatherer communities, in tent "cities". If everything the settlers had was stolen from the Natives they would have tents.
Second, conquering someone does not make you a racist in any kind of meaningful definition of the word. By the idiotic way liberals use it literally everything is racist. You are racist. It means nothing.
Third, slavery existed sine before written language. Blacks enslaved other blacks and traded them to whites for guns. Were the blacks racist? Your logic eats itself. Slavery is not done because of racism.
This country was built by the blacksmiths, the leather tanners, the craftsmen, the loggers, the farmers etc. That slave labor was used in some industries does not mean America was built by slaves. It is only by brainwashing that people swallow that drivel.
1 Feminist_Af 2018-01-21
Youre an alt-right crazy. You need education.
1 paidthecosttobethebo 2018-01-21
Phew you are beyond reasoning with, you have drank the partisan Kool aid and are neck deep in identity politics. Black people where and still are discriminated against, Rosa parks and Martin Luther King don't ring a bell?
1 paidthecosttobethebo 2018-01-21
We killed an entire population of native Americans and enslaved black people, did you forget that little tidbit?
1 why_are_we_god 2018-01-21
we shouldn't be jailing meth cooks
1 scottishdoc 2018-01-21
Umm... no this has nothing to do with black people. Psychoactive marijuana (aka not hemp) was essentially non-existent before large numbers of South American immigrants brought their harmless pastime with them. Marijuana was then criminalized for many reasons like threatening textiles and other industries. It was also worked into the anti-immigrant rhetoric with claims that it would make black people and Mexicans into crazed white-women-raping lunatics. Just look at some of the propaganda from when prohibition began, it certainly has a racist bent.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
I am not arguing that there was not a racist bent. So maybe you don't understand my argument.
1 paidthecosttobethebo 2018-01-21
So you're admitting it has a racist bent but denying that it was used against minorities? Gotcha
1 dog_star_ 2018-01-21
Stop trying to pretend that institutionalized racism did not and does not exist. Stop acting like the government has the right to control the people's choice to alter their consciousness.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
You don't even know what institutional racism is. Your ignorant outrage doesn't impress me.
1 dog_star_ 2018-01-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism Institutional racism is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Institutional racism is also racism by individuals or informal social groups, governed by behavioral norms that support racist thinking and foment active racism. It is reflected in disparities regarding wealth, income, criminal justice ...
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
If only you could copy and paste the understanding of a concept into your brain.
The only government programs that are racially biased are biased in favor of minorities and especially blacks. So of course institutional racism exists.
The only private racist programs that are allowed are those which benefit minorities.
If I try and walk through a black neighborhood at night I would get attacked because I am white. I know racism exists and in certain neighborhoods it is just part of the culture.
I am not the one pretending that institutional racism does not exist. You are.
1 dog_star_ 2018-01-21
lolwut?
We're talking about the beginning of marijuana laws and who was affected by it. At that time people who used marijuana were more likely to be black or Hispanic.
Someone made the comment that those people broke the law. Well, it's a stupid law and it is and always has been applied more towards people of color. For example making rock cocaine "crack" a much more sever offense than powdered cocaine at a time when whites were using a lot of cocaine, but in powder form, is a form of institutional racism.
This really isn't about your hypothetical walk through a black neighborhood.
1 Feminist_Af 2018-01-21
Oh hell, you're an alt-right crazy who thinks your IQ is higher than anyone who's not white.
1 Beiberhole69x 2018-01-21
It wasn’t illegal at first. They made it illegal so they could go after black people and hippies. That’s the whole reason the Nixon administration started the war on drugs. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
That's the liberal porridge you have been fed by public education system run by untraliberals. The evidence for that is far from conclusive, the conclusions are a stretch, and any critical examination is crushed by SJWs.
There is a lot more to the war on drugs than racism. And when your agenda is to find racism you find it everywhere and it is the cause of everything.
1 Beiberhole69x 2018-01-21
Do you have evidence to the counter or do you always just make assertions with nothing to back them?
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
Is it racism all the way down, or do you think maybe there is more to it than that?
1 Beiberhole69x 2018-01-21
So your argument is “don’t you think there is more to it?” I’m not saying it’s the only reason, so don’t insinuate that I was saying that. Your second argument is false equivalence/fallacious, try again.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
So when people say "drugs are banned as a way to arrest black people" do you say "no, that is just one reason"? Fuck no you don't. You tell the libtard that said that they are right.
Every country in the world has banned drugs. Therefore it is absolutely absurd to think drugs would not be banned in the US if it were not for racism. That is not a false equivalence, it is logic.
If drugs would be banned in the US even if there were no racism then how the fuck do you go around saying that racism is the reason for drug laws?
1 Beiberhole69x 2018-01-21
Every country in the world has not banned drugs. Do you just make shit up to suit your worldview? It’s false equivalence because different countries ban different drugs for different reasons and to assert them at they all do it for the same (non racists of course) reasons is absurd. Your last paragraph is asking about a hypothetical situation and has no relevance to this in any way.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
Here we go again, a liberal using an exception to a rule to argue that the rule does not exist. Effectively every country in the world has banned drugs.
They don't all have different reasons. They ban drugs because drugs are bad. They get people addicted, destroy their lives, and cause them to cause a lot of damage to their communities and families. That is not absurd. Frankly if you really think that you are retarded.
1 Beiberhole69x 2018-01-21
I’m not a liberal so you can knock that shit off right now. Your only arguments have been fallacious. You’ve offered no counter point to anything I’ve said other than your personal opinions. Not all the same drugs are illegal everywhere, so your argument falls apart on that basis. You insinuate that because most countries ban some really bad drugs that means all countries ban all drugs which is just flat out untrue.
1 aspiringCrook 2018-01-21
https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-drugs-to-criminalize-black-people-and-the-anti-war-left/
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
This quote works so well for you because it confirms your bias. But if you could step back for a second and realize that this one man does not control everyone or speak for everyone you might actually understand how weak this evidence is.
My argument was never that there were not a lot of people who supported this legislation on the basis that it would justify arresting blacks. Neither of us knows how prevalent that idea was, though you may think you do. My argument is that when the law was passed no one was forced to break it.
1 kaydpea 2018-01-21
Do you think importing literal tons of coke and selling it to minorities is racist. What about doing that then removing the right to vote for a felon ?
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
No one is forced to buy anything, especially illegal drugs.
1 kaydpea 2018-01-21
You’re right but that’s still a cop out. Something being legal or illegal is no judgement of right or wrong. The legal system doesn’t dictate morality. You have this backwards
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
It's funny that you would not say it is unjust to arrest a white person for selling meth. Double standard much?
1 ____Batman______ 2018-01-21
Maybe take a history or US Government class sometime.
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
You think history class can show that blacks should be allowed to commit crimes? Or are you so stupid that you think once selling weed became illegal blacks had no choice but to continue and get arrested?
1 Balthanos 2018-01-21
Removed. Rule 10
1 m010101 2018-01-21
How many people die each year because of alcohol and how many of weed? That’s all you need to know.
1 FictionalNameWasTake 2018-01-21
Dont forget prescription drugs
1 NakedAndBehindYou 2018-01-21
Or even processed sugar, which is in everything now.
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
even weed
1 HiImAlice 2018-01-21
And conventional cigarettes, for the "but smoke inhalation is bad for you!" crowd.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
When I smoke cigys my lungs shut up immediately I have to go to hospital and have been to intensive care as a kid many times for being around second hand smoke.. Although when I was late teens I got into chop bongs tobacco and weed through being shouted them free not getting any respitory effect and slowly getting addicted to tobacco.. To this day 10 years later I smoke a cigy I'm in hospital I go in a car ride with a mate that smokes with all windows open and hang my head put the window I'll be in hospital condition but treat myself with prednisone cause that's all they fkn do.. But I can smoke a half ounce of weed with a full pack of ciggerettes in 1 day and not get any negative effect even makes me cough out shot and breathe better after as if the tobacco wasn't there, somehow the weed makes my body tolerate tobacco.. Has anybody done a study into this because I would really love to know how to explain this to people cause I have had 100+ intense arguments with people not to smoke near me cause it kills me so fast I will no longer let anybody smoke near me no matter how kunty they are, They always argue the point but u smoke weed? Immediately I think are you fking retarded weed doesn't have 100s of unnatural chemicals in it!!!! Argument over! But I've course they go on and on and try sneak one up anyway sick of fighting over something I know as fact that they don't know anything about, and Ive argued points to people of all age groups proffesions it gets intense when they've seen me have a chop bong which I am not addicted to anymore but enjoy, but the argument still doest make sense they can't understand that smoke weed with a little tobacco through water effects the body different than 2nd hand smoke and smoking cigys through a filter, I don't know the science behind it, I have tried looking into it can't find anything. But it makes sense doesn't it? I understand the hypocritical part of it which pushed people to argue into fights etc but what aboutbthe science so incan put people in their place.
1 ooeyguie 2018-01-21
Since THC levels in marijuana has increased 25-fold since 1970, they are likely being cautious. They see smoking weed lowers sperm count, and always that Women intending to get pregnant should avoid it altogether.
"Non-maternal Cannabinoids are proven to alter the uptake of folic acid, which is important for normal growth and development of the placenta and the embryo. A deficiency in folic acid can cause low birth weight, increase the risk of spontaneous abortion and neural tube defects like spina bifida."
“All of the model systems point to the notion that cannabinoids affects many aspects of human development because THC alters molecular pathways that shouldn’t be disrupted during development of a fetus”
Recreational pot is what they don't want, basically.
1 policeshootingRI 2018-01-21
Fact: this is also why tobacco, alcohol and antidepressants are also illegal.
1 ooeyguie 2018-01-21
Unlike these, THC gets continues to metabolize 30-40 days maybe longer depending on weight.
These effects persist, so be aware procreators.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Yup how many pounds would you have to smoke in 15minutes to die from it? Yet most us remember a time we drank and are surprised we didn't die or get ourselves killed.
1 mikesworld31 2018-01-21
I don't know, in my experience after a long tolerance break, when I smoke or eat edibles the weed provides deep thought provocation. It's pretty spiritual to me at that point vs everyday smoking. I ate edibles once and I swear it was crazy as hell. I contemplated allot that day of life. If you have never ate good edibles please try? It is wayyy different than smoking in my experience
1 Mahadragon 2018-01-21
Space cakes ftw!
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
Yep. And a lot of people overlook the fact that cannabis is actually classed as a psychedelic, albeit a mild one. I've had some profound realizations when under the influence of it, breakdowns of regressive thought models instilled by society, an increase in childlike wonder, curiosity, ego-loss, empathy, deep self-examination, etc. All the type of stuff that you get tenfold from the stronger psychedelics.
1 Beanthatlifts 2018-01-21
What are people meaning about breakdowns of regressive thought models?
Is thinking with weed better than thinking deeply without it? Or would the governments scare be that it is more likely to think in general.
Also, I've read things about meditation techniques and thought without needing drugs. Some opinions I see make it seem like you can't think deeply without weed, but there are examples of non productive citizens that smoke alot of weed.
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
From my experience, you grow up in a certain culture, era, society, etc., and you are kind of indoctrinated from an early age with your culture's values and assumptions. So, being born in hyper-consumerist late 20th-century America, I was kinda programmed to view my fellow humans as competitors, and to place importance on superficial/material things like money, "cool" clothes, flashy possessions, social status, etc. Mainstream American culture is generally very shallow, materialist, and just spiritually bankrupt. We are expected to accept things like war, poverty, inequitable class divisions, etc. as natural and inevitable parts of life. Psychedelics just make it easier to see how all of this shit is ultimately an empty construct that has been foisted upon us, and that our species is capable of so much better.
The thing about psychedelics is, they don't really give you anything that isn't already there inside you. They just make it easier to access these deeper levels of thought and experience. I believe that even the Greek etymology of the word "psychedelic" is roughly "mind-discovery." So you're really just discovering latent parts of your own mind and reality (as opposed to other drugs like alcohol, benzos, opiates, cocaine, etc. that are more about getting "fucked up" and making yourself temporarily oblivious to reality).
1 MrRedTRex 2018-01-21
Yep. THC Is absolutely a psychedelic.
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
No, it isn't.
1 MrRedTRex 2018-01-21
Yes
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
No
1 MrRedTRex 2018-01-21
yes
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
"Under the definitions strict of marijuana and psychedelics, they are two different substances not chemically related. Their actions in the body are different as are their effects on the body. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Drug Enforcement Administration, they are two different classes of drug."
http://psychedelics.com/thc/is-marijuana-a-psychedelic/
1 MrRedTRex 2018-01-21
oh
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
No, it isn't.
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
Ehhh, sorry but yeah it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychedelic_drugs
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
Ehh, sorry, no, it's not.
Not a single mention on "pschedelic" on the main page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
I think you mean "psychoactive".
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
No, I mean psychedelic. It shares enough qualities and effects with the "major psychedelics" to easily be considered a milder relative, which is why it is often included in full lists of psychedelic substances. The main (almost only) difference is that it isn't much of a hallucinogen (although even this has its exceptions, as many people can and have experienced slight visual distortions/closed-eye visuals from cannabis).
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
Aside from cannabis, have you ever taken a psychedelic drug?
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
I've done all of the major ones, other than peyote/mescaline. Mostly LSD and mushrooms, but did do DMT once. Mushrooms being my personal favorite. You?
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
Acid 20 or so, shrooms around 5, DMT countless times, Salvia 3 or 4.
DMT is my total favourite not just because of the experience but because it's a 30 minute love affair, not a full day then a night laying awake trying to sleep while your bones ache.
I'm not sure if I could ever commit to another acid/shroom trip again, but I'd do DMT right now if I was given the opportunity.
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
I'd love to try DMT again. Mushrooms completely changed my entire personality and outlook on life. I haven't tripped in like two years or something, but as I'm sure you know, the experiences stay with you long after the actual psychoactive effect is over. It's beautiful stuff, and gives me hope for humanity's future.
1 globaldu 2018-01-21
I haven't tripped in 20 years or so... apart from DMT.
I had a ton of the stuff a couple of years ago... somehow manged to find 3 vendors on clearnet selling it very cheap... my last purchase was 5g for £100 delivered. I kid you not.
Had so much I was paranoid keeping it in my house so tried to use it all up but, after trying it once, all my friends were reluctant to do it again. When it was finally gone all 3 vendors stopped replying to emails so that was that. I haven't found it since and the forum where I found the vendors has since been closed.
I'll make it one day.
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
I hope I live to see a time when the taboos and legal restrictions on psychedelics are seen for how ridiculous and backwards they actually are.
1 CrotchFungus 2018-01-21
I always have revelations when I'm high. Being on psychedelics is like that only the revelation lasts for hours instead of a few seconds
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
Yeah. I think back to my younger days when I first got really stoned, and it really was very much a mind-blowing, psychedelic experience. It's not as pronounced now (probably because I'm more habitualized to it from frequent casual use), but it still manages to take me by surprise all the time with deep shifts in perception. I think that's one of the main things that sets psychedelics (and I'm including weed in this) apart from like every other drug is that they are not nearly as predictable. Like for instance, when you drink a bunch of liquor or pop some pain pills, you pretty much know EXACTLY what the experience is going to be like, you know exactly how you're going to feel. But psychedelics are continually surprising, and you never quite know exactly where the experience will take you. Which is why one day you might smoke some weed and have a really mellow, laid-back experience, and then the next day you might smoke and feel all unsettled or paranoid or whatever. One of many characteristics weed shares with its stronger "major psychedelic" relatives.
1 i_am_unikitty 2018-01-21
Quit smoking for a month or two and you can get some of that back the first time you blast off again
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
That is one of the astounding wonders of marijuana.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Some weed is actually within the psychedelic spectrum. Its rare but when I first started using it, I got heavy visual trips similar to that of what shrooms give. I've also talked and met people who can't smoke weed because they have scary trips on it every time.
1 Paronfesken 2018-01-21
Try eating a lot of it.
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
The saying is is that, "You go into a trip with everything that you bring with you."
When you have a panic attack or a terror reaction while on marijuana, it is because you have anxiety issues, worries, concerns, and stress that you have not addressed.
If you use the way marijuana affects you to build up that panic and make it visible to you, if you would address the core of the issue during the trip you can transform a bad experience/panic attack/whatever into a freeing and liberating emotional event.
You just have to have a heart that's bigger than your fear to do it.
1 LP64 2018-01-21
While what you say is true in some cases, many people simply don't respond well to cannabis and it isn't necessarily a reflection of their issues, we're just made differently. I agree that a panic or terror reaction while on marijuana could be because of anxiety issues, worries, etc., but I commonly see people with all sorts of fear and unresolved issues smoking weed and feeling fine, and plenty of people who have done a lot of work on themselves suffering from adverse effects while high.
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
That is true.
I don't have any particular reason to be all panicky. In fact, people typically say that I'm a very analytical and rational person, so the idea of me freaking out and getting emotional is hard for them to understand sometimes.
I think weed makes your personality a bit more malleable, and for some people that's great and for others it's horrible, I suppose.
I'm not sure which side I land on, but I do try to use it as a tool and not as a crutch.
1 kriv072 2018-01-21
agreed 100%, but how would you personally go about addressing anxiety during a trip? writing down the reasons for it?
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
I have had several panic attacks both on weed and when perfectly normal.
I can't promise that this works for everyone, but for me, taking the panic (when I have a specific thing that's causing the panic) and addressing it, taking it to its logical conclusion and deciding what my reaction to that conclusion will be showed it actually manifest seems to help.
That seems a little vague so maybe a scenario will help.
For instance, I have had panic attacks thinking that my friends are somehow out to get me in some way, (this is definitely a paranoia type event, pretty common with marijuana).
So I decided that if they were going to try to "get" me then they weren't my friends, but since I could not actually pinpoint the method in which they were going to "attack" me in this panic scenario I had created, then in response to that, I would be the kind of person who, if they did actually decide to attack me or get me in this paranoia situation, that they would become quantitatively worse people for actually executing their attack.
So I responded to the fear of the paranoia of the panic attack by saying that I would show love, care and consideration to them in the mean time; to be an honest and true friend to my friends.
Then if they actually chose to hurt me (or whatever my unrealized fear was), then I could write them off with a clean conscience knowing that I had done everything I could to give them no reason whatsoever to turn on me.
And that decision allowed me to unravel the fear that had gripped my heart and the panic attack went away.
As a unexpected side effect of this choice, I have actually sort of developed a much better friendship with my friends.
I truly believe that whatever that fear was came from an insecurity I had about my role relationship with my friends. And working through that gave me a space inside of my own identity to fill, to serve a need that built up the group.
Like I said, I don't know if this will help everyone, but it really helped me and it would make me happy if it did help you and other people as well.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Best way to address it is putting yourself in a great set and setting both physically and mentally. Going to depend a lot of the substance & the person using it. For me meditation (sitting legs crossed, deep breathing with my hands in the air) has always helped. That & painting for me works wonders, something about the colors & the instant creation of something. Re-assuring yourself that your fine exc. exc.
1 Suishou 2018-01-21
Without clairvoyant tools you are basically helpless. End karma, ground, own your gender space, destroy energy on your genetics, blow the past life death picture causing the anxiety. Or a whole host of other things might need to be done....
1 Suishou 2018-01-21
For me, all the paranoid energy is from all the female energy of the plant's valence as a spirit combined with all the female energy in my space from the women in my life. As a man, I have to ground that energy, then run my own female energy. Kind of a hassle, but it fixes it.
1 Jank1 2018-01-21
Wtf?
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
If you read Carlos Castaneda, he talks about how it deep trance you can move the "window" through which you perceive the world to a new location in your spiritual reality.
Marijuana can also be used to move the window, if it is used for that purpose.
However, a lot of people just want to get high and be happy, enjoy themselves for a bit, which is fine, too.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
That's really cool, I'll check it out. I've experienced something similar to that when I used to meditate all the time. I could literally feel my body floating away and it felt like I left my room.
Also, DMT transported me to what looked like the inside of some colorful, kaleidescopic room with a giant acorn in the middle. I think that was my pineal gland.
1 Makemewantitbad 2018-01-21
I was doing some research on the pineal gland recently. Super interesting stuff. Many consider it to be a "third eye" of some sort, and the flouride in our water supplies calcifies the pineal gland and essentially makes it useless. If anyone has more information on this II'd love to hear.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Some say that's the whole reason behind adding fluoride to the water. The pineal gland is an enigma. It really is. It can produce DMT, possibly the strongest chemical on the planet. It's found in numerous animals, and plants, crazy enough. It's, Also, believed that DMT is released when you enter REM sleep and when you die. There's another way to release it, too. Deprive yourself of light and sound for three days, and you'll induce a DMT trip. Even with so much calcification, our pineal glands are still capable of producing a strong effect. Imagine how strong it was for people 5,000 years ago. There's numerous accounts in the Bible of going into a cave for extended periods of time and coming out with a revelation from God or having seen God. Very fascinating stuff.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
So what when prisoners go into dark isolation in a few days they're just having a jolly old trip ?
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Nice try.
1 shualam 2018-01-21
Where can I buy this kind of mushroom?
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Any will do. Just take 5 grams in silent darkness.
1 TheDarkLordReturns 2018-01-21
Omg this is so reckless. Do not just try any mushrooms. Please make sure they are a safe species to eat. Many mushrooms will seriously injure you or worse.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Most, if not all, mushrooms containing psylocibin(sp) are edible.
1 HamfacePorktard 2018-01-21
I still hold that if you took the leaders of the world, gave them acid and put them all on Space Mountain, we would have world peace within minutes.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Without a doubt, we would have that and more.
1 i_am_unikitty 2018-01-21
I don't think psychopaths react to psychedelics the same way as normal people do
1 thegreenwookie 2018-01-21
I think they are eating acid. Eat acid long enough and that lovey dovey connected world peace stuff goes out the window...I say this from experience. Have at least 1000 acid trips under my belt. Went from. "Give the elite lsd and we will have world peace!!" to "the elite are right. 90% of the population should be wiped out so we can start from scratch."
1 Mahiriens 2018-01-21
This cannot be understated. Psychoactive drugs can be a great tool for insight when used with respect but they are also an invitation to madness if used carelessly.
1 DR_CLEAN 2018-01-21
Give them acid. Wait an hour. Then put them on Space Mountain. Then put them on Millennium Force. Then world peace happens.
1 onlyforthisair 2018-01-21
Can you explain how that can be the case? You aren't given any more information by taking psychedelics.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
Honestly, I can't explain it. It's more of a feeling or a realization. Have you done any psychadelics?
1 onlyforthisair 2018-01-21
A feeling of what or realization of what? And how would it be different from
I haven't done any psychedelics. Hell, I haven't ever even drank alcohol, but if the opportunity presented itself, I think I'd be more willing to try psychedelics or cannabis over alcohol.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
You could study up on the effects of psychadelics, reading every article about the way it makes you feel. You'll know everything about it. But without experiencing it firsthand, you'll never truly know. That's the difference.
I don't want to push it on you, but it'd be worthwhile for you to try. It can be life changing in a good way, but it can, also, be in a bad way.
I've experienced, both, the good and bad.
1 onlyforthisair 2018-01-21
Maybe it's just how I think, but that doesn't really make sense to me. I do have some suspicions that it could be a false epiphany, where the only thing they give you is the feeling that you have had the epiphany, like people with manic episodes sometimes have.
Even if I wanted it enough to seek it out, I don't think I have any way of trying it.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
That's why thinking about it doesn't do it any justice. You have to experience it to see what all the fuss is about.
You can grow mushrooms yourself. It is illegal, but purchasing the spores is not. They're used for study in mycology. And there's tons of videos on how to grow them. Just need a little bit of money and resolve to do it. You can also make DMT. And the materials used for it are legal, but making it carries a 20 year prison sentence if caught. Both, take a lot of effort, but if you're interested, those are just a couple of routes you could take if you're unable to find it.
1 hegelmyego 2018-01-21
Unfortunately marijuana does affect your ability to concentrate for prolonged period of time. I talk from experience, it improved my study time as a math major. It for sure should be decriminalized because alcohol is just as bad for concentration, but the recovery period is shorter.
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
I agree. Sometimes when I get just blasted, productivity is no where in the realm of possibility haha but I find that in minimal quantities, it improved my studies too.
1 slink7 2018-01-21
"What's gonna happen to the arms industry when we realize we're all One?"
1 facelessnature 2018-01-21
nnnnnnnyyyyyyyyuuuuuueeeerrroouuuunnnd pakoooooshhhh -the sound of their profits violently plummeting.
Also, that sounds like a Bill Hicks quote.
1 FungoBatGump 2018-01-21
no shit
1 ilikerealmaplesyrup 2018-01-21
Nah, I know quite a few lsd and mushroom heads that have zero clue what is going on in the world. There trips are just them checking out of a false reality into another false reality. Also, almost everyone I know that smokes weed are video game attacks, netflix and internet dweebs. They have no clue. Weed and other drugs seems to only enhance your personality more.
1 TucanSamBitch 2018-01-21
Weed is pretty popular with a large range of people lol
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Oh no doubt that’s gonna be legalized soon
1 IAMAExpertInBirdLaw 2018-01-21
Yeah everyone from firemen to business folks to blue collar to gang members.
It's the one thing that can unite the world man
1 Nethzil 2018-01-21
This boi right here knows whats up.
Personally I am quite sure that drugs are not lifting any veil. Help an individual ? Probably. Banned because they help see through this illusion ? Not really.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
You probably haven't ever had a really deep trip, if that's your sentiment. They can be the most amazing tools at helping people see through the illusion. DMT is the queen of them all, in my experience- seriously worth trying.
1 dank-matter 2018-01-21
What is the the reality of this illusion?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Is that a philosophical question? Have you ever taken psychedelics? You should; they speak for themselves.
1 dank-matter 2018-01-21
It's not philosophy, and yes I have. But I'm interested in your answer
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Explain the question. In context we were talking about DMT, which hurls people into a separate dimension filled with intelligent entities. That sure lifts the veil, because you come to see that there's a lot more to the world than the meaningless, mechanistic, material thing that we're lead to believe it is. There are other beings, other realms, and it seems that this is where the real action is- at least, that was my conclusion, and a lot of peoples' conclusion.
Quantum physics is also backing up this "reality," as it were, as non-locality theory has been proven, and "many worlds theory," which says there are many overlapping dimensions invisible to the naked human eye, is currently popular.
1 Enok-Stroth 2018-01-21
They ban it for profits, and control. Only slaves submit to the masters rules.
A free man chooses whether or not he wants it. He can not be told he can or can not have it.
1 Enok-Stroth 2018-01-21
It is a mark of character which choice they make, in which ever scenario put before them.
1 isitanme 2018-01-21
I am certain that shrooms helped me peak behind the veil. Everything I ever thought I knew began being challenged after that trip. I even quit my job I hated and pursued a career I enjoyed as a direct result of taking mushrooms.
1 Fusion7778 2018-01-21
Psychedelics don't make stupid people smarter. I too know people who use(d) psychedelics who treated it as nothing more than a colorful amusement park. As for the intelligent people I know, it opens them into vast new areas of thought. I personally consider the first time I took LSD to be one of the most important experiences of my life. Everything you consider status quo, normal, expected, routine... it's just one point of reference in an infinite ocean of possibilities. It's very liberating if you approach it from the perspective of "I want to know the truth."
1 Imnotyourbuddytool 2018-01-21
You make a lot of assumptions about people you don't know.
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Says the guy making assumptions about "them" controlling us lmao
1 DogSnoggins 2018-01-21
It seems he was only referencing his/her experience and understanding of these drugs to people he knows. He stated that twice.
1 rok1099 2018-01-21
The pretension in this statement is palpable.
And what do you do with your day good sir?
Fight the oppressors and the overarchs constantly im sure.
Being programmed is very different than it used to be. The power that be havent truly nailed the post "us and them"paradigm of control.
To be subdued, in your definition i would assume asleep is the term, by society is to accept and strive for the meaningless hurdles that ultimately serve the others. If someone can define what it means to be happy with a night on the couch absorbing some good ol free imagination then more power too them.
Its those that tell others that they are unhappy because of "". Those people who push others to see, feel and do thing contrary to their personal understsnding of what it means to be happy.
Much like you. Im sure you feel you have insights and understanding into this world. From your persepctive im sure you do.
But to condone the belittling of others due to percieved naive nature is no better than the control of others for preordained ends.
You, and everyone else on this planet, are no more enlightened than any other. Anyone who claims to be so is false. Define happiness as something you accomplish rather than find. Define understanding as something subjective rather than real.
So what if others try to find their happiness in a smaller pallet than you?
We are all just moss on a rock dodging asteroids.
Love Your friendly couch surfing stoner
1 ilikerealmaplesyrup 2018-01-21
looks like I triggered you. I use to be a mega stoner and it only put up barriers not break them down. It made me feel content with where I was in life. I don't think there is anything wrong with cannabis but the over consumption of anything is no good. People who think cannabis is going to break down mental barriers are delusional. Any "waking up" I ever did had nothing to do with weed. The moment I stopped using it daily was the moment my life was taken off pause.
1 TilapiaTale 2018-01-21
Drugs can't make the dumb smart.
1 humanefly 2018-01-21
You might want to consider Noopept, piracetam, lions mane. There is at least some evidence that piracetam can reverse some age related changes in the brain that are associated with Alzheimers or dementia, for example. But generally speaking with psychedelics, you often find what you focus on finding,
1 ilikerealmaplesyrup 2018-01-21
Then Cannabis cannot break down barriers. It puts up barriers and makes people content with where they are in life.
1 gingerrex 2018-01-21
You say that as if being content is a bad thing
1 UnopenedParachute 2018-01-21
Almost everyone I know are video game addicts, Netflix, and internet dweebs, I'm the only one who smokes pot on the regular. That's what people do for entertainment.
1 padubenay 2018-01-21
I read that JFK tried these with his girlfriend, Mary M., and perceived the folly of the Vietnam War - opposition to which sealed his death warrant. Has anyone else come across this information?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
There are some reports that JFK took LSD with one of his girlfriends, yes. I don't know the degree to which it affected his views on the war, but I wouldn't be surprised.... Bobby Kennedy also, his wife took LSD therapeutically and testifies in Congress that it should remain legal, which was a losing cause.
1 ogrelin 2018-01-21
Acid and pot practically fueled the 60s’ consciousness expansion.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
And that certainly ended well
1 Slowslowdeath 2018-01-21
Reagan? Disco? Nintendo?
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Are you just namedroppimg random good things to come from the 80s? OK i guess I'll namedrop 3 random bad things to come from the 80s. Or not because that's a stupid fucking argument.
1 Slowslowdeath 2018-01-21
I don't really know cmonBruh8766, maybe you should do some Acid and watch Star Wars or something.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
No thanks, I did enough acid in my teens. Contrary to the popular belief of this echo chamber you people call a sub - people actually grow up.
1 Slowslowdeath 2018-01-21
Acid in your teens is the equivalent to that deep insightful movie that doesn't hit home until your older, I think it's a much more beautiful experience later in life and taking it an early age is watching something youre not ready to fully appreciate. But good on you lady, I'm proud of you.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
It felt insightful and paradigm changing at the time. But that faded as I grew out of drugs.
1 AccidentalAlien 2018-01-21
So, you did acid while your body and mind were still developing....too bad.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Yes. Too bad indeed.
1 AmishAtomicPhysicist 2018-01-21
/u/cmonBruh8766 We went to the moon dude.. figuratively and literally. Bombs and Woodstock,far out stuff man...and what year are we talking about again?
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Are you sure we went to the moon though? I thought this was a conspiracy sub
1 AmishAtomicPhysicist 2018-01-21
It was a joke I'm 28 I know all about hallucinating drugs and there is a reason so many people have spiritual awakening when doing some of these..mushrooms were my favorite. I grew out of it now but there was definitely a connection with nature and a unknown force to me pretty much every time I ever used them. Self awareness and enlightenment. My buddy made dmt in 5 gallon bucket loads when it first came out. He would have a burner address and prepaid card order a tree bark and extract dmt outta it somehow but it was the real deal and people loved it.
1 DogSnoggins 2018-01-21
Not everyone, lol.
1 ogrelin 2018-01-21
Reagan and disco were good!?!??
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Hehe I suppose that's what he thought. I don't have any particular feelings for either. Especially not Reagan as I'm from Europe
1 ogrelin 2018-01-21
Listen to some hard core punk from the early 80s, especially bands like DRI and MDC. They looooooooved “Ronnie” (not really).
https://youtu.be/eHCybnU-nVE
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
8 downvotes? Hahaha this sub is hilarious. Im out tho, good luck to you all
1 khell 2018-01-21
Oh man, that is one of those boring arguments that people throw away without thinking too much.
It could have been ended better, but you should also speculate how it would be now if there haven't been hippies in 60's? We might not have even that little bit of studies done with psychedelics that we now have now.
Movements in 60's had great role bringing meditation and yoga practices to the western world.
We are slowly getting fruits from the seeds that were planted in 60's :D
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Perhaps.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-01-21
transhumanism?
1 vbullinger 2018-01-21
And now they all love big government.
"Expanding consciousness." Da fuq does that even mean?!?
1 ogrelin 2018-01-21
The way I see it, they mean being more open minded and thinking about concepts differently than they would were they not “loosened” by drugs.
1 vbullinger 2018-01-21
Then say open minded
1 ogrelin 2018-01-21
Nah, I like their term better.
1 MiltownKBs 2018-01-21
Hippies were not a majority of that generation. Not even close to it.
1 briangallia 2018-01-21
I hear that if you take a dissociative you can, "become the paint on the wall." It's as if you're consciousness is in the paint and you see things as the paint sees things. The paint being one example of things in the room you can 'become.'
So I guess that's pretty expanding. Seems pointless to me.
1 Correctthereddit 2018-01-21
It did. And then CIA artificially created the hippies in order to undermine the antiwar movement — and it worked. Check out Dave McGowan.
CIA Hippie Mind Control: Inside Laurel Canyon with Dave McGowan https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GjY8DN-7I
Also interesting to learn Timothy Leary was CIA. There's a video of him chatting with his fellow spooks. Explains so much about why the 60s antiwar counterculture failed.
1 NegativeZEN 2018-01-21
The CIA literally is either the Illuminati or the tool of them. They know their straw house is ready to fall at the slightest gust of social unrest, yet they’ve still managed to keep the dictatorship of the rich alive.
1 ShokoFlow 2018-01-21
CIA = Terrorist Organization
1 i_am_unikitty 2018-01-21
Catholics in action
1 wtfiskwanzaa 2018-01-21
Timothy Leary worked for the CIA?!?!?! Wtf
1 Correctthereddit 2018-01-21
Yeah, this blew my mind as well. Just goes to show how much of our culture has been shaped by government programs and our intelligence agencies for decades!
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4w9f51/wow_video_of_timothy_leary_hanging_out_with/
1 anxdiety 2018-01-21
Timothy Leary's supervisor was Henry Murray. The same person who experimented on the Unabomber in university.
1 Roldstiffer 2018-01-21
So did Terrance McKenna, at least he claimed to have.
Be skeptical of everyone. Especially the ones selling you a view of reality.
1 sipofsoma 2018-01-21
Terence never claimed to have worked for the feds...not to my knowledge at least. He made a joke once about being recruited by the mushrooms as a PR person, and people always point to that joke as an admission that he was recruited by the feds.
1 Roldstiffer 2018-01-21
During one of his lectures.
Claimed that multiple people were arrested at a festival, that he was one of them. Claimed his interviewer was impressed by his charisma. Claimed to have started working for them shortly after.
1 sipofsoma 2018-01-21
Do you know which lecture this was? I'd like to hear it myself or read the transcript.
1 johnnyblorf 2018-01-21
Makes sense. I tried listening to some of his talks. He came off like a two-bit flake.
1 like_a_horse 2018-01-21
Unfortunately it wasn't really drugs that fueled the 60's. The biggest unknown motto of the 60's was do as thou wilt. This quote is from Alister Crowley also known as the most wicked man in the world. Many artists such as Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and a little later on all the members of Led Zeppelin were heavily influenced by his philosophy. The meaning of do as thou wilt means do whatever you want, which fits the 60's pretty well with the hippie movement free love and anti war sentiments. But the ultimate meaning of that quote is do whatever you want and screw what it does to other people. This is really what fueled much of the 60's counter culture for example Jim Morrison believed that he sold his soul to the devil while he was high on LSD and writing the Doors first album. Even his bandmates recount Jim giving off a weird energy during their shows and Ray Manzarec claimed he felt Jim's energy taking him over. There's a quote from Morrison that says he's concerned with chaos and actions that have no meaning as they are a path to freedom which is a very Crowley statement. As for Led Zeppelin Jimmy Page owns and lives in crowleys old house where Crowley was rumored to have committed ritual human sacrifice. Finally Timothy Leary, a symbol of the 60's, actually believed he was the reincarnation of, or at least channeling the spirit of, Crowley. Leary also conducted many psychological experiments that today would be considered highly unethical. Many people think that Milgram was bad but none of his studies created a terrorist.
1 elasto 2018-01-21
Pot didn't cure the world's problems, but it was a baby step to get people woke. One step at a time, folks.
1 No_Fake_News 2018-01-21
And that worked out horribly for our society
1 upvoteguy6 2018-01-21
Well do you think Adam and eve really ate an apple?
Nah it was something like magic mushrooms
1 BecausePhysics 2018-01-21
Also, Moses burning bush may have contained DMT
1 pixiesbitch 2018-01-21
Have you got any other theories like this it sounds mad interesting
1 TilapiaTale 2018-01-21
I wish I could find it but I once saw a pretty credible mapping of large concentrations of mycellium networks and early advanced societies - in SE Asia and Latin America. It was pretty stunning. This is the sort of "fringe history" I'd like to see explored more, but those bent on division of all aspects of humanity prefer to talk about aliens and mythical giants. Thanks "History Channel".
(On another tangent...someone here has to know who I'm talking about - this (not just psychadelic)mushroom fanatic guy - posits that mushrooms ARE the aliens that colonized and enlightened us. It's lol but I like it.)
1 d8_thc 2018-01-21
Man wish you could find that mapping.
1 ChilliWillikers 2018-01-21
I've read this somewhere too... but it was so long ago I'd probably never remember the source (though I suppose I could go look). Something about some alkaloid or molecule or something that exists within magic mushrooms that is not found to occur naturally anywhere else leading some to believe that these mushrooms are not from this earth.
I've also read that Santa Claus was originally a guy that would climb into your hut from a hole in your hut's roof to deliver mushrooms to you. "Thanks Mushroom Santa :D"
Lots of interesting stuff surrounding mushrooms. Who the fuck knows, but I keep my mind open to all possibilities.
1 TilapiaTale 2018-01-21
Yes! lol all of that! I do remember the santa thing too. It's interesting to say the least.
1 ChilliWillikers 2018-01-21
It is very interesting! I also seem to remember something about the mushrooms acting as an antenna... either the mushrooms themselves or the 'active ingredients' once consumed... channeling the cosmic knowledge to our brains.
I found a huge pdf years ago that I printed out at work and put into a binder to read. But that was about four computers ago.... before I really started saving(hoarding) everything. The binder is probably in a box somewhere in my basement. I wish I could remember the name of the document!
Thanks for making me think of this though :D
1 TilapiaTale 2018-01-21
I delved into growing a few years ago and I was amazed at how easy it was, following the PF tek method. When you think about it, the sheer speed with which they form is "alien" in itself. I still have some old spore syringes, I hear they have an impressive shelf life if stored properly - might have to do another grow :)
1 Salsainspiration2 2018-01-21
Terence Mckenna, in the book True Hallucinations talks about exactly this at the very end. The audiobook is read by terence himself! Or maybe you're thinking of Paul Stamets? He talks about spores being able to survive on asteroids landing on planets, mycelium networks and how mushrooms can save the world
1 Salsainspiration2 2018-01-21
Terence Mckenna, in the book True Hallucinations talks about mushrooms being aliens at the very end. The audiobook is read by Terence himself! Or maybe you're thinking of Paul Stamets? He talks about spores being able to survive on asteroids landing on planets, mycelium networks in how mushrooms can save the world
1 slink7 2018-01-21
Yeah I think he's talking about Paul Staments. Cool dude with some cool ideas, but I think he takes himself a little too seriously sometimes lol
1 TilapiaTale 2018-01-21
Yeah the guy I'm thinking of probably got his idea from Mckenna too - - I've seen a few people say it over the years lol.
1 podesta_the_molesta 2018-01-21
Graham Hancock talks a lot of about this, it's called the "stoned ape theory"
1 vbullinger 2018-01-21
It was a fig.
1 DogSnoggins 2018-01-21
The Hebrew word in Genesis translates only to "fruit." In some cultures, the word "apple" is used to denote the fruit of some plants and that may have contributed to this misnomer. There is nothing that definitively identifies what kind of fruit Adam and Eve ate.
1 RalphWolfSamSheepdog 2018-01-21
The sacred mushroom and the cross is a pretty interesting book. Early history of christianity and how it arose from fertility and mushroom cults.
1 rougekhmero 2018-01-21
This is THE definitive text on the subject. The man who wrote it is/was a dead sea scroll expert and legitimate scholar. Although the mushroom in this story is Amanita Muscaria, not something from the psylocibe family.
1 RalphWolfSamSheepdog 2018-01-21
How does an amanita trip compare with psilocybin?
1 rougekhmero 2018-01-21
It doesn't really. Amanita trips often induce a deep sleep coupled with intense and frightening dreams. Lighter doses give more dissociative/drunkenly effect often with generally disphoric/creepy vibes.
1 Kenhamsbible 2018-01-21
I don't think ancient Babylonians who wrote that story were big into psychedelics.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
That burning bush might've been an acacia tree :D
1 CrotchFungus 2018-01-21
Jesus also probably did tons of magic mushrooms
1 HonoluluLion 2018-01-21
yes, it was the alchohol from fermenting apples
1 upvoteguy6 2018-01-21
Maybe. But alcohol tends to make the clothes come off, not put clothes on.
1 DogSnoggins 2018-01-21
Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate what the fruit actually was.
1 freeconc 2018-01-21
Read The Psychedelic Gospels - The Secret History of Hallucinogens. It even has pictures of ancient art as proof of our long lost and hidden history.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
You're right on point, OP. That's why they were banned, psychedelics, including all research, and only recently have we begun to have some research permitted, thanks to the hard-working people at www.maps.org.
Sure, not everyone has a life-changing or deeply magical experience with psychedelics, but a lot of us do. Shouldn't we be asking: Where do these things come from? How did they get here, why do they do these extraordinary things? DMT is the most dramatic and profoundly revealing of all of them.
Have you listened to Terence McKenna much? He was brilliant, worth listening to at length. And join us over at /r/psychonaut
1 lily_levasseur 2018-01-21
What is your personal favorite way to ingest dmt and how important do you find setting intentions are to the experience?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
I've always used a classic meth pipe, with the bubble on the end. But as long as you're somehow vaporizing it, you're good.
I don't know about intentions exactly, but set and setting as well as method are hugely important. Definitely don't combine it with alcohol. Minimize caffeine and anything else except maybe weed; this isn't a party. Come in with a real clear head and relatively empty stomach; maybe meditate beforehand. Ideally, do it at night. Then most importantly, take *massive hits of it- get as much into your lungs as possible, and then hold it for literally about a ten count. That's the part almost no beginners do right; they don't hold their hits long enough. If you're going for a breakthrough you might take three hits, or at least two.
Stories like this one, as told by Terence McKenna, actually happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3_Vw7Mzwhg
1 lily_levasseur 2018-01-21
Thanks! I was specifically wondering if you’d personally experienced the difference between smokable dmt vs. ayahuasca. I have some friends who’ve done both & some who’ve done one or the other.
It’s all pretty fascinating & def on my bucket list. Based my my experiences with mushrooms, I feel like I’m in for a bit of a spiritual bitch-slap either way. 😂
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Good luck. I actually haven't had a chance to do ayahuasca, but smoked DMT I've done somewhere around 200 times, and it's the gift that keeps on giving. Start with low doses, perhaps.
1 blue_limit1 2018-01-21
200 times, do you have the best connect or you extract it yourself?
1 soss-boss 2018-01-21
Easy there, Barney Fife
1 blue_limit1 2018-01-21
Before my time good sir.
1 lily_levasseur 2018-01-21
Holy Krakatoa! I guess I’ll be spending some time reading your post history. We definitely have different approaches to the journey, but I’m hella intrigued about what you have to say!
Thank you!
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
And I'm hella intrigued by what you have to say. Hit me up with any thoughts. I'm planning a web site featuring DMT stories, art, and literature. "DMT witness" is our working name.
1 lily_levasseur 2018-01-21
Oh nice. Definitely following. Cheers, yo! 😊
1 i_am_unikitty 2018-01-21
You can order the two plants online, grab a pot and some lemon juice and 30 minutes. Or grind it up and put it in gel caps
1 Smiley_Iris 2018-01-21
Theyre called oil burners, not meth pipes.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Thanks, I'll start calling it an oil burner. They're not that easy to find in my college town. People think you're smoking meth when you ask for one.
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
If you're near a semi-shady neighborhood, it's likely they sell oil burners as "Roses in Glass."
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-secret-criminal-uses-stuff-they-sell-in-gas-stations/
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
That's a term I've heard- rose pipes, I thought it was. They're ironically easier to get in semi-shady neighborhoods, like you said, than in Boulder where I am. That's alright, we have the internet now.
1 Balmorika 2018-01-21
We already know how these things get here, and why they do what they do. It's all molecules, it's Atoms. Protons, Neutrons and Electrons, and the sub-atomic particles. The interactions these have throughout space-time, their evolution so to speak.
We're all part of the same system, and that system has some pretty damn interesting interactions with itself. It's not spiritual or magical, it's just the system we have.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Lol, kind of. I don't think you've smoked DMT. You really, really should go for a DMT breakthrough someday. It's very much "spiritual and magical." Yes, atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons all exist and play a role in what's happening. That doesn't explain how or why people have these life-changing encounters with intelligent entities that teach us things on certain psychedelics, most notably DMT. /r/dmt is filled with such stories, and I have hundreds saved, if you're interested.
1 Balmorika 2018-01-21
Couldn't similar experiences be chalked up to similar brain chemistry between subjects? Similar to how most people who use cocaine experience increased heart rate.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
It's not just that the experiences have a lot of commonalities- people often encounter jaguars, Mayan imagery, and twisting snakes- it's the nature of the experiences, which involve reported alien contact and encountering intelligent entities. There's some really excellent literature on this subject that I recommend, starting with Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural: Meetings With the Ancient Teachers of Mankind." Hancock points out that these experiences don't seem to fit in our common understanding of evolution. How or why do they happen? Shamans have an answer. I think you have to spend some real time exploring with DMT (or salvia) to even begin to understand the significance of the phenomenon.
1 Balmorika 2018-01-21
No doubt one can experience imagery of pre-existing notions such as a jaguar, the human form, or recognizing a past civilization. I think the more interesting question is, would you see a jaguar if you had no concept of a jaguar?
These have to confided to our previous notions of how things work. Such as the brain chemistry involved, otherwise you have to replace those concepts as well.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
No, believe me, you have no previous notion of how DMT works or the insanely bizarre and seemingly impossible things you're shown when you take it. It's new material for humans.
1 Kenhamsbible 2018-01-21
I mean what if it just stimulates an area of the brain that is responsible for producing such feelings. The strong feelings of spirituality that can be achieved with religion, meditation, psychedelics, etc all share some similarities.
What kind of makes it all suspect to me is that you can communicate the feelings and more abstract concepts of those experiences after the fact but if there is really another layer of hidden knowledge and meaning that can be unlocked then shouldn't there be a way to implement that into your life more concretely?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
You're right, those things are all similar. I personally meditate a lot. And I can tell you that you can get into these other realms even without dmt, including visually. It's been easy for me because of how much dmt I've just been fortunate to have access to, and also I don't drink alcohol, which Bill Hicks pointed out is like taking a black Sharpie to your third eye. It's all just a matter of practice, you can have dmt-like experiences without dmt, especially if you know where to look. Weed helps me a lot with it, edibles mostly.
1 rougekhmero 2018-01-21
If a lion could speak English, we still wouldn't understand it.
1 paxmlank 2018-01-21
Yeah, I'd bet that many people wouldn't have these similar experiences if the ideas weren't communicated between the drug users. As someone who has done this drug many times, I haven't ever experienced a jaguar, Mayan imagery, twisting snakes, and whatever. I had felt like I came into contact with alien/other beings, a Hindu goddess, and a "machine elf", but that was only after I had read about that stuff.
1 anxdiety 2018-01-21
You may see the jaguar but have no frame of reference or method of explaining it. That's the issue with a lot of psychedelic ventures. For example I had experienced seeing a strange text overlay on everything. I couldn't fully explain what it was but once I stumbled across Allyson Grey's paintings of Secret Writing. I experienced it before being aware that it was something that happens and got the reference to explain it afterwards.
1 GeneralRAAMsies 2018-01-21
DXM is the closest thing to DMT when it comes to coming in contact with alien beings lol
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
Is that right? I didn't know that about dxm
1 sonicb00m42 2018-01-21
gosh darn alien probes, man.
1 Darnit_Bot 2018-01-21
What a darn shame..
Darn Counter: 11439
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
For real, it's the weirdest thing ever by like a million times. Everyone should rip through to hyperspace at least once in life.
1 like_a_horse 2018-01-21
Maybe I'm wrong but didn't the government ban research on psychedelics because they found them to be mostly useless on their own? I know in the early to mid 1900's a lot of research was done into using LSD to cure alcoholism but the studies kept showing that LSD on its own did very little and that it was the combination with counseling that really created the results? Even the new research today only shows they as a tool in therapy and not some kind of take home prescription.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-01-21
I don't know where you're getting that about experiments taking place in the 90's on LSD. Most of the experiments were in the 1960's, and they showed that LSD had a ton of potential in curing alcoholism, enhancing creativity, relieving depression, etc. At the same time, the CIA and military experimented with LSD as a mind control agent, but it didn't really work out for them; check out the book "Acid Dreams" on that subject. Anyway, all psychedelics were banned because of hysteria due to the hippy movement fueling anti-war sentiment and creating a vast counter-culture that was blamed on psychedelics, not because psychedelics didn't show therapeutic promise. If you want to research the early studies, here's a resource: http://www.maps.org/resources/psychedelic-bibliography
1 sjmp75020 2018-01-21
Like Cheetos are really manna from Heaven and “they” don’t want anyone to know?
1 sackajahweeda 2018-01-21
That was one of the first things that Kathy O'Brien said about weed was it was a no no for her. Any other drugs were ok but the weed was not allowed as it was able to break her MKUltra programming.
1 cluelessX478 2018-01-21
drugs outside of psychedelics are interesting because they are like dark magic, and have the potential to make you temporarily superhuman (i.e. no need for sleep/exhaustion, no pain) but at the same time can work to deeply enslave you as you become used to living under their effects for any period of time.
at that point your need for the substance creates pain when it isn't there, and the effects wane when you do get a fix. so it keeps you enslaved.
Ive never heard of psychedelics acting in this manner. Other drugs do have the potential to be powerful tools in your life, but your also burning your life force away every time you take them and risking spiritual enslavement that is very difficult to escape from.
speaking from experience.
1 wonkyhead 2018-01-21
Even adrenochrome?
1 cluelessX478 2018-01-21
pussy shit. I have a proprietary method to extract pure adrenaline from infants and inject it directly into my brain.
jk. maybe not ALL the drugs. just most of them.
1 cluelessX478 2018-01-21
p.s. plz don't tell the elites their shit is getting stepped on. they don't need to know that I'm more immortal then them because ive been extracting the good shit off the top for centuries.
kthanx!
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
I've only smoked weed. And I'm hoping something like acid will help me break out of my depression and have a new passion for life. Is this naive of me hope for?
1 Pla70 2018-01-21
Keep a clear conscience going in. Respect psychadelics and you will find the light.
1 CrotchFungus 2018-01-21
Nah, LSD will show you things you need to see
1 Temple_of_Light 2018-01-21
I would say do mushrooms first. They have more medicinal value and are safer
1 RVAndal 2018-01-21
if only acid wasn't way easier to find :( been dropping acid for 5 years and the only shrooms I've done just gave me the Hershey squirts. I'm guessing they were old af. ruined my Christmas morning 2 years ago
1 wolfhelp 2018-01-21
Make sure the acid IS acid (how you do this can become complicated).
My advice would be mushrooms - and if you can't positvely identify the correct ones, you should NEVER take them until you can.
From an ex taker, player, dealer and space cadet.
1 GonzoXIManUtd 2018-01-21
Mushrooms
1 StoppedLurking_ZoeQ 2018-01-21
You never know what you get. You can go into those sort of trips and secretly want it to go 1 direction but you don't really have that much control. After all you wont be sober so you cant be 100% sure what mental state you will experience. Your depression could be a chemical imbalance so maybe you can't "Cure" it but a different perspective could make sober you see life in a new way.
I wouldn't say its naive because people do report life changing experiences but there is also plently who just have a fun trip which is memorable but they come out the same person. Then there are people who have un diagnosed mental disorders which get brought out by taking a drug.
One thing I know is the mushrooms are showing a lot of promise for depression. Acid is sorta like you're in a car and can control to some degree what you experience but shrooms is like being in a rollercoster, you're in for the ride.
Important thing is to just mostly go with the flow. Either one can give you a different perspective and its possible you wont like what you see, maybe you're an asshole for example, you might not like finding that out.
You will be fine if you treat it like a learning experience, you're ready to do some deep soul work and face what ever the trip brings.
1 sweetholymosiah 2018-01-21
Mushrooms sir.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
Yes. As someone who broke out of their depression because of acid, I would say that things like Eckert Tolle, or other writers have helped me more.
Chicken or egg though, was my mind just not ready for thinking outside of myself or was I ready the moment I placed it under my tongue.
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
Interesting, someone suggested I read power of now by Tolle. Hard to practice, being mindful all the time, but its a step.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
It has been great for me. I accidentally found him when I was researching and developing a cult, and it has been by far the most useful.
1 freakoutNthrowstuff 2018-01-21
You don't need acid or drugs to do that. Ultimately, it's up to you. That's the lesson you'll learn- but acid just tends to spoon feed you it in a powerful and poignant way. Acid is a catalyst for greater change only if you're willing to accept and act upon what you already know needs to be done. I've had great trips when I had great intentions, but I've also felt like a crack head staring out my kitchen window at 5am because drunk me decided to dose myself after a night of drinking. I gave away my acid because I was too depressed to use it responsibly. It's been a year and a half since I did that, and I've learned how to live better in that time without the acid than I did when I was dosing myself to solve my problems. It takes a long time to absorb the "lessons", so don't let it stunt your growth because you're chasing an easy fix.
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
True, nothing good is ever easy.
1 elasto 2018-01-21
Try Cannabidiol (CBD). Studies show it is the Great Moderator for neurochemicals. If your chemicals are too low (like in depression), it brings them up. If the chemicals are too high (like schizophrenia), they bring them down. There is plenty of CBD oil out there, just get some from a reputable seller.
Half my family has mental illness so I'm very familiar with it. It's a real illness from real causes. How the chemicals get at the wrong levels I have no idea.
1 cluelessX478 2018-01-21
in the longterm probably. might be fun for awhile while your on it.
1 tzitzit 2018-01-21
Sure, psychedelic drugs do these things..
But when too much is taken or they are given to the wrong person, we have a situation..
1 rougekhmero 2018-01-21
It simply comes down to a matter of respect for it. If you don't prepare yourself appropriately and have no respect for the unique gift psychedelics can be, then you're more likely to have negative experiences.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063972
1 fellow-human-join-us 2018-01-21
You are right, these substances make you a worthless slave.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
You mean without these substances they make you a worthless slave
1 fellow-human-join-us 2018-01-21
Haha
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Hello illumanti
1 startingover_nova 2018-01-21
I think he meant that you might continue to be a slave, but you're no longer a useful one.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
That's an interesting statement. On what do you base that?
1 fellow-human-join-us 2018-01-21
You start to question the current system of debt, jobs, morality and so on. A slave asks no questions, if he does he will be made an example of.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
So you basically skipped history lessons? The 60s was full of psychedelic exploration. Everyone was doing it basically. All that came from it was hippies.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Ur name suits u well
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
*your. *you. Are you 12?
1 rex_ 2018-01-21
C'mon bruh you're at like an 8 right now lets see if you can calm to a 7.. now try 6.... 6 is where we need to be
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
I'm at 4.20
1 HillaryBrokeTheLaw 2018-01-21
Actually not everyone was doing it. That's why there was and is so much repression and oppression for the use of psychedelics. It's still only a tiny minority using psychedelics, and even pot smokers are a minority of citizens in the US. The majority of non-psychedelic users range from greedy to indifferent to outright hostile to their use.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
By everyone I don't mean literally everyone. I mean a great number of people from all around the world and it had an enormous impact on society and future generations.
1 UnopenedParachute 2018-01-21
A very small number of people did drugs in the 60s.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Ok.
1 LittleBigTroll 2018-01-21
I don't mean to be a spoil sport, but the will to break down mental barriers was already part of the OP's character, the mota just helps things along. Things go the other way with folks who don't have any will to grow.
Hemp has been the enemy of several industries, starting with the lumber industry. Big pharma probably would not have become what it is today either. As always, follow the money.
1 sweetholymosiah 2018-01-21
Similarly coffee is accepted and encouraged because it helps people focus on mundane idiotic tasks at work. Of course, it used to be that people would gather at coffee houses and discuss critical political issues of the day.
1 angrymamapaws 2018-01-21
As a barista I can assure you they still do. I've even had prime ministers and governors drop in for a cup and a chat.
1 StoppedLurking_ZoeQ 2018-01-21
I mean work places encourage coffee because its lets you have more energy and grind through repetitive tasks. Society is fine with coffee for work and alcohol for when you get off. Alcohol will inhabit your frontal cortex, sure its fun but if you look at the grand picture it is weird that the cycle of coffee and alcohol is so widely accepted.
There's plenty of drug combinations that can expand a person but the ones generally accepted are more focused to grinding out a work day then inhabiting your brain to relax at the end.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
“Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing" - Terrance Mckenna
1 king_long 2018-01-21
Annnnnd that's exactly what I came to the comments for. Thanks for delivering.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
I spread his quotes on a daily basis. Man was far beyond his time, really wanna work on making a booth with a bunch of headphones and speakers at EDM events sharing his thoughts. I agree with much of what he shared outside of the timewave zero stuff. Sad that he's so unknown to the general public.
1 kriv072 2018-01-21
that’s a fantastic idea. it doesn’t even matter if you’re a stoned hippy who’s taken lsd, shrooms or dmt. terence was so lucidly and deeply articulate that it’s hard to even comprehend how his brain is human.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
An inspiring human being for sure.
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
Is Terrance Mckenna the guy with the stoned ape theory? Love that shit
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-01-21
You bet! There's a lot more to it once you get past the silly moniker
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/McKenna/Evolution/theory.html
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1 The_Phox 2018-01-21
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1 GeoPsychoThermal 2018-01-21
Just received Food of the Gods paperback off amazon. Good shit.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Have the very same on my desk at the moment!
1 blackmage1582 2018-01-21
I could see how mushrooms may have been key to evolving intelligence, but I have a hard time believing they're of extraterrestrial origin.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-01-21
Agreed
1 fuck_reddit_suxx 2018-01-21
well they grow from spores and spores would be the mechanism of panspermia capable of surviving space
1 Sceneselector 2018-01-21
Some species of spiders could survive in space.
1 fuck_reddit_suxx 2018-01-21
and also re-entry to repopulate a new environment?
1 DanKnites 2018-01-21
They have the unlearned ability to knit a parachute mid-drop.
1 gbmustardvx 2018-01-21
I'm pretty sure a spider is too light to trigger too much reentry heat.
1 fuck_reddit_suxx 2018-01-21
anything moving several meteres per second will receive friction in an atmosphere until it slows to it's terminal velocity.
Do micrometeorites punch through earth atmosphere and smash down?
I honestly don't know, this is interesting to think about
1 gbmustardvx 2018-01-21
Yeah, I don't know for sure either, but you would think a spider wouldn't weigh enough to stay at speed very long.
1 Sceneselector 2018-01-21
Regardless spiders have been found in the upper atmosphere. I believe their blood can crystallize allowing them to be in a state of stasis.
We are the star seeds of spiders!!
1 Sceneselector 2018-01-21
1 dizee2 2018-01-21
And moss piglets aka water bears aka tardigrades aka coolest things ever
1 Sceneselector 2018-01-21
We tried to see if we could keep some tartegrades as pets, got some moss and fed it water once in awhile. Tried to see if there were any in the moss with the microsope but none were home.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Yes very interesting factoid- they also react well to the hokey pokey song
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
They found living plankton in space, but it probably came up with a satellite, although its still out of it they can survive opens my mind to the possibility of evolution in space or what other creatures through the universe could survive in space.
1 Sceneselector 2018-01-21
In that context we should be firing seed misiles in every direction and wait a few millennia.
1 H-O-D-L 2018-01-21
The Stoned Ape by Mckenna
1 GarytheGreat123 2018-01-21
Do a heroic dose (5 grams) and you’ll understand a little more
1 Fecalityy 2018-01-21
In total darkness
1 MyAccountForTrees 2018-01-21
The variables in your comment are immense.
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
Story time!! Don't leave us hanging.
1 thegreenwookie 2018-01-21
They (the mushrooms) talk to you. I've had the entire stoned ape theory "told" to me by the mushrooms before I ever knew who Terrence McKenna was. It's like a conglomeration of voices that are all speaking different words of full sentences. (Ten words in a sentence=10 different voices) Combine that with a dream like visualization of the story being told. (If you've seen Dr.Strange they do an amazing recreation of being this high)
You lose connection with your physical body at high doses. Sometimes forgetting that you are a human. The dissatisfaction that comes with being back in the flesh is difficult to handle. I usually end up crying
1 thegreenwookie 2018-01-21
They (the mushrooms) talk to you. I've had the entire stoned ape theory "told" to me by the mushrooms before I ever knew who Terrence McKenna was. It's like a conglomeration of voices that are all speaking different words of full sentences. (Ten words in a sentence=10 different voices) Combine that with a dream like visualization of the story being told. (If you've seen Dr.Strange they do an amazing recreation of being this high)
You lose connection with your physical body at high doses. Sometimes forgetting that you are a human. The dissatisfaction that comes with being back in the flesh is difficult to handle. I usually end up crying
1 Ostigle 2018-01-21
I did 6 grams my first time and had the second best psychedelic experience of my life. The first was tripping on 1300ug of this kickass cid. Both times I came out of the trip feeling "renewed"... Can't really describe the feeling besides that
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
5 grams? How many average mushies is that? I've seen somebody do like 50+ best way I've seen them done is you go to a party of mature adults with tea frozen as ice cubes throw a couple in each persons drink, because every bodies buzzing you don't get the paranoid buzz as easily next thing entire party laughing and having the best time or dry and crush into antibiotic case for sales.
1 MakeAnusGapeAgain 2018-01-21
Take mushrooms, place in mouth, chew, swallow. Works wonders.
1 ACannabisConnoisseur 2018-01-21
Fungi are the most alien thing on this planet. An entire kingdom of life that promptly showed up less than half a billion years ago and shares the least in common with any other branch of life
1 Stebbib 2018-01-21
The animal kingdom is closer related to the Fungi one than the plant kingdom. They share a common ancestor that branched from plants around 1.1 Billion years ago.
1 dingo_bat 2018-01-21
As long as they have the same DANA base pairs as us, I'll find it hard to treat them as alien.
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
The oldest mushroom, fully-formed, is a billion point 4 years old, according to Paul Stamets.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Through the wormhole- aliens inside us.. They probably take the cake.
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
Crick, co-discoverer of DNA, felt it statistically impossible for such a complex string of proteins to have been jumbled together by accident, a cosmic instant after the formation of the Earth. Like, as soon as Earth was ready to harbour life, life arose. He wrote a book saying that, in his opinion (i.e. the opinion of one of the discoverer's of the universal living molecule) it was statistically more probable that life itself came from extraterrestrial origins. He called the theory 'directed panspermia', because he thought aliens had bioengineered some kind of spore-like DNA-receptacle to cross the galaxy.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
I like that one I believe our "gods" are extra-terrestrial just as we will be to technological consciousness one day soon, this theory makes it much more plausible
1 Pipe13omb 2018-01-21
"Living spores have been found and collected in every level of earth's atmosphere. Mushroom spores are electron-dense and can survive in the vacuum of space. Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light."
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Do you believe ion the broader theory of human evolution? If so, why?
1 Robinisthemother 2018-01-21
Didnt he refute all of this on his deathbed though?
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-01-21
I hadn't ever heard that but that definitely doesn't mean it didn't happen. Do you have a link on that?
1 Smiley_Iris 2018-01-21
Im having deja vu reading this.
1 pm_me_bellies_789 2018-01-21
Same guy who said the world would end in 2012?.... Wait a minute.
1 Kexizzoc 2018-01-21
I think he got the initial ball rolling on the 2012 date being significant, but never actually claimed that the world would end. Others jumped on the 2012 date and made it about a doomsday. Additionally, he admitted that it was a purely speculative theory, not to be taken seriously. He would have been laughing at doomsday preppers and people selling their houses even harder than the actual skeptics.
1 ragegenx 2018-01-21
I think a strong argument can be made that there was a pardigm shift that started around 2012
1 Kexizzoc 2018-01-21
Yes. I honestly think we will look back and see 2012 as the dawn of the “digital age”, with everything before marked by the entrance of digital media into the mainstream consciousness, and everything after marked by the predominance of that digital consciousness
1 kriv072 2018-01-21
2012 was 100% the year technology became ubiquitous. mainly because it was the year of the iphone 4 and 5, when instagram and twitter blew up.
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
Hey man, i get you. Of course the world ending in 2012 was ridiculous, but if people didnt think random things that dont really make sense, then we would never advance because nobody thinks anything. Most of modern science would seem like pipe dreams a couple of centuries ago.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Yes him and his brother both worked on that hypothesis. (not really a theory) but I love it non-the less.
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
I noticed that actually, its called the stoned ape theory but then when I read about it, it was referred to as a hypothesis. Tbh i wasnt sure what the difference was haha. Thanks man
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Hey is this terry tough ears? Like the name haha NZ420 all day chur
1 Kgquari 2018-01-21
Is that you joe?
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
Pull that up Jamie
1 GodzPizzaman 2018-01-21
wow, so bizarre.
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
A lot of people don't know....
1 Wellfuckme123 2018-01-21
Cocksucka that's Tremendous!
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
Slingin' that big dick around, how dare you
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
That's fascinating.
1 heyachaiyya 2018-01-21
Crazy
1 PuffsPlusArmada 2018-01-21
We're just sentient meat sacks floating through an infinite universe on a wet rock
/leans into mic/
Dude watch these gorillas fight, instead to god it's like they know Jiu Jitsu.
1 benediktorian 2018-01-21
Stoned Ape Theory sounds dope. Is there a documentary on it or something?
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
Not sure, id assume there is. Theres a joe rogan vid on youtube where it gets dumbed down a little which helps. Ill try find it
1 Poobyrd 2018-01-21
Tons of his lectures and recordings are on YouTube. He's definitely worth a watch. If you like him, you may also want to check out Alan Watts.
1 Mahiriens 2018-01-21
I recently discovered Alan watts, listening to it every day now, it's therapy for the soul.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Why do you like that theory? because you believe it is based on sound logic and evidence, or because it makes you feel good?
1 TerryNZ420 2018-01-21
No because its an interesting hypothesis.
I can already see what you're trying to do here, no thanks man. Im good
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
Terrance, god bless his soul, forgot to mention that their are elites that have better drug connections, and a supply of victims for their perversions, and are at the top of the illegal drug business while profiting immensely also from the drug war.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-01-21
Adrenochrome, bruh...
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
Jimi Hendrix something something Haze
1 fuckswithfire 2018-01-21
Alpha Jerk.
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
No, no, believe me, I am a neophyte. Lightweight. Either that, or I was born stoned before it was a thing.
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
Wow. Reality would be so much more sinister and fucked if all these things were out in the open like common knowledge (but then there'd be a revolution). Right now it's like in the subconscious with everyone myself included too afraid to believe it's true. It's like "Nah...couldn't be....really?....holy fuck..."
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
Don't feel bad, I grew up around some of these families in Washington DC, was 9 when JFK was offed. You can guess how ancient I am right now, and other than getting as far away from that shit as I could, it has still taken my whole life to assimilate. But as Lilly Tomlin said, “No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up.” because it keeps going lower.
Maybe its a bit like Invasion of the Body Snatchers kind of thing. Or that great indie film They Live (1988) where the special sunglasses showed a different reality.
I hope to never meet a wild animal that is as fucked up. In the meantime, having a dog with me for the last 20-25 years has cheered me up a lot, and the ordinary nastyness of life, minus the extra level of nightmare level insanity by people who dream up Mutual Assured Destruction is almost endearing now. Oh, and one more thing, Dr. Strangelove. When Stanley Kubrick was stuck, the subject of total nuclear devastation was impossible for him to translate into the kind of art he understood, (and you can see from other efforts that it has never really worked) he added the twist of overthetop irony, sarcasm, and that is also an under rated element of what eventually ended the nightmare of the Soviet Union, people just started making fun of it, because the insanity actually is beyond expression.
We live now through a time in the US like the end times of the Soviet Union. The limits of big brained experts being able to fix things is long past. A collective understanding is needed, one that will surpass the pettiness of those who allow themselves to be carried forward by a mob and turned into what they have become.
Its tricky moving through denial. Lots of us have spun out. We are learning as we go.
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
That's crazy. This whole thing is so fucked and deep and we'll never know how much. God damn
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
Well put.
1 new_q 2018-01-21
Wasn't Nixon quoted saying something along the lines " these hippies are smoking marijuana, and sitting around and TALKING!" like it was some crime to sit around and discuss society, but the powers that be don't want you to question the structure, pot and hallucinogenic raise those questions, that's why it's a nono.
1 lisbethborden 2018-01-21
Exactly why TPTB attack the open internet....we're TALKING about them!
1 new_q 2018-01-21
They don't control the narrative on the internet, unlike they have been on radio and tv since it's inception, so that's a BiG problem for them. That's why one of the tactics that's widely used now is misinformation, they throw so much stuff out there, so it's harder to pick apart the facts.
1 auldno7 2018-01-21
Like hell they don't. Reddit is nothing but liberal propaganda through bots and shills. Take a look at r/politics and what kind of political stories make it to the top or r/all
1 Khemikal-Ali 2018-01-21
dude he said 'the internet' not 'reddit'
1 etz_fun4me 2018-01-21
And google is just as bad per Wikileaks
1 new_q 2018-01-21
See you're just fucking your self, when you fall into this liberals/conservatives trap. They're all the same, and both parties policies brought you here.. and yes Trump too falls into that category.. you're doing exactly what the people in power want you to be doing, is digging your heels behind a party, and give it all your allegiance like it's a sports team.
1 BloodWillow 2018-01-21
Right, it's false tribalism. Once you realize there are two types of people in this world it all seems to fall together. There are those that want to be left alone, and there are those that just won't leave you alone.
Those that won't leave you alone tend to be the violent, self-righteous, and ignorant. The others, for the most part, are peaceful, mindful, and accepting.
Double think is really in play here, and it's sad. Too many people have bought into the idea that freedom is slavery and slavery is freedom.
Fuck political parties. Fuck government rulers. Be the change you wish to see in the world and take a stand. Live free.
Dangerous Freedom > Safe Slavery
1 Ih8usernam3s 2018-01-21
They attempt to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice.
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2018-01-21
Everyone needs to read that and note that we repealed protections from the Smith-Mundt act that stopped the government from doing this to us. There is an operation on record that everyone knows about that allows the U.S. to astroturf its citizens.
1 ChamberedEcho 2018-01-21
No, they place info that want accepted, prop it up with some pseudo authority and set it next to "real news" and now the normal information channels will disseminate.
1 RedditorsEatShit4BKF 2018-01-21
Jtrig. Its easy to manipulate reddit. Its constantly manipulated and thus so is online discussion. Its beyond that, countless fake users and computer generated speech. Along with real people being paid to shill.
1 elephuntus 2018-01-21
What does this stand for?
1 lisbethborden 2018-01-21
the powers that be
1 Aconite_Eagle 2018-01-21
Frightening isn't it how a civilization can lose its way in just over a hundred years. The Founding Fathers sitting in Philadelphia weren't bothered with controlling a system or the way people thought; they wanted to allow individuals to be free to pursue happiness. The government should not give a hoot whether people are sitting around talking or not. They should be concerned only with ensuring that the individuals have the right to do so if they want to.
We have now too many vested interests in the society we have built on money and credit, and those interests also have the power to ensure that thier interests stay protected.
I suppose you could get into an argument with others who say the world is a nasty place and you need a strong army to maintain your interest and you cant afford that if everyones sat around smoking hash all day though.
1 Chokaholic 2018-01-21
Maybe the world wouldn't be so dangerous if everyone had enough and was at peace with themselves. Why would anyone want to mess up a utopian world?
1 Aconite_Eagle 2018-01-21
Too true. I don't know!!!
1 SomeSexyBeast 2018-01-21
Everyone's Utopia is different
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
It's seemed obvious to me that the best way forward is a loosely affiliated proliferation of Utopias that people can self-sort into. The only unifying principal between which being the absolute guarantee to leave and go to another that better suites you, with as few barriers to this process and as much assistance as possible.
Can only happen once we break the idea that we are their tax slaves to be milked dry.
1 chanovsky 2018-01-21
i like this idea.
1 ianrome 2018-01-21
Dilly dilly!
1 Pointless_arguments 2018-01-21
And then the Utopia with the most guns and weapons decides that another utopia doesn't deserve the resources they have, and a war is started, and the cycle continues. There will be no true utopia until resources are unlimited, and that's not likely to ever happen because it's human nature to hoard and control.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
Bull, Atomically Precise Manufacturing guarantees the end of scarcity. When the best possible building material is carbon and our problem is we have too much of it, things look a lot better. No energy isn't the limiting factor because APM makes it trivially simple to make/capture/store as much as we need.
1 Pointless_arguments 2018-01-21
Are you really naive enough to think that the oligarchs and billionaires will just allow everyone to have everything they need? Of course they won't. They like being at the top and they like the control that keeping people poor and stupid, gives them.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
Of course they want that. Good luck stopping it. It's like holding a river back with your hands. For a tiny example of this, look at how well the electric car is being repressed and marijuana is kept illegal.
1 Pointless_arguments 2018-01-21
They had the power and resources to make countries worldwide lock tens, maybe even hundreds of millions of people in cages for smoking and selling a plant that makes you lethargic and hungry. And populaces and legislators just accepted this gross global injustice for decades for no other reason than "it's drugs".
If marijuana is being legalized and the electric car is being properly developed, it's because they are allowing these things to happen because they've moved onto other methods of profit and control. They have the TPP and the non-neutral internet now. They can control every single piece of information the average person is exposed to. Why do you think the US is so divided at the moment - it's because the Oligarchs are manufacturing petty tribalism to keep them from uniting and becoming powerful.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
No, they can't. They want to, feverishly, but they can't. Control is slipping, and in their desperation to re-establish it they've shown their hand. The curtain is more scant and flimsy than it's ever been, and each move to tug it over an embarrassment only serves to expose more rot to the sunlight.
1 Mahiriens 2018-01-21
This is historically true but going forward implies a new way of thinking and that cannot include the mindset that it cannot be done.
1 Chokaholic 2018-01-21
I like this idea. This is what we should work towards. It's funny how many people fight against ideas like this though. It's like they crave a diaphoric life.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
1 Chokaholic 2018-01-21
I see this type of behaviour every single day. We humans, are crabs.
1 flactulantmonkey 2018-01-21
who run's the utopias? strife is natural to the human. Its how we know how to build ideas as glorious as utopia. No dark, no light. Society is dark. Individuals are light.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
Everyone, no one, and every possible permutation between or beyond that. If you don't like how the particular Utopia you are in is being run, accept the invitation of one of the multitude of others vying for the grace of your citizenship.
1 flactulantmonkey 2018-01-21
We already have this. It's the echo chamber of individualized AI groomed social media channels piped into our isolated phone world's.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
How is that remotely what I am proposing?
1 flactulantmonkey 2018-01-21
Each individual's utopia would differ. I'd be highly surprised if you'd find any two individuals who enjoy the same things. Many people enjoy other people's suffering. In essence, the current landscape of media and always connected devices is the closest thing to a truly universally utopia system.
I don't think your idea is a bad one. I totally get it. But the actual execution is virtually impossible. Ultimately utopias can't work anyway because people will tune misery to the baseline their exposed to. When there is real suffering, there can be true light. In the absence of suffering, the bar gradually changes and utopia declines. It's why organized societies in general collapsed.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-01-21
I don't think so, human variation is vast but not infinite. Plus, we're deeply social creatures, so I find it impossible to believe that the ideal society for everyone is isolation. Maybe I should be saying utopia instead of Utopia; the idea is a network of societies designed explicitly from the ground-up maximize human flourishing, as defined by the participants. I'm not talking about making perfect the enemy of great, that's an obvious and easily-avoidable trap.
And many people enjoy that others can take satisfaction through their suffering. Plus AI constructs and virtual reality. Plenty of room for all stripes, as long as it's voluntary.
This is a one-size fits all dystopia that's working for almost no one. See: time spent on social media correlating with unhappiness
I think there are ways off the hedonic treadmill, and this would be one of the best ways to find them. Worth trying, anyhow. As we're clearly in a dystopia now.
1 awake283 2018-01-21
This.
1 lotoex1 2018-01-21
A good point that not enough people think about.
1 tenthousandtatas 2018-01-21
We semi evolved simians will always find a way to destroy.
1 BilIions 2018-01-21
Greed
1 tastygoods 2018-01-21
Because then we would discover the truth.
1 wiscomptonite 2018-01-21
Very well said
1 pythagoreanbean 2018-01-21
This might be too off topic, but:
I wonder what happened between the Founding Fathers and now... like what entity/group sprung up to make everything so sinister? Where did it come from?
1 Aconite_Eagle 2018-01-21
Well there are many theories out there; the usual Rothschild/Rockerfeller NWO infiltration of the upper reaches of Freemasonry etc. I don't really know. But I do know that Federalism won, and instead of being a federation of self-governing sovereign nation states, after the Civil War the USA felt its manifest destiny best suited by a strong centralised Federal government.
1 The_Black_Stallion 2018-01-21
White people to be free*
1 sadmydogdied 2018-01-21
you'd have to be a moron to believe this. the founding fathers wanted freedom for "individuals", sure. Those individuals were landed gentry. They were all about controlling a system to keep the common man down. Nothing has changed before or since then.
1 Redstone_Potato 2018-01-21
Nah, the Founding Fathers wanted a fairly controlling government, controlled primarily by the rich. The Bill of Rights wouldn't even exist if it hadn't of been for the minority political party making a big fuss about personal and state rights.
The intent of the US government has always been to control what people think. Even our Bill of Rights isn't all that great. For example, the First Amendment actually only prevents the government from stopping you from speaking your mind. You can still be punished after. The government could throw you in jail for criticizing them; they just don't because it's bad PR. It's only now that the government has gotten bigger, and ensuring secrecy has gotten tougher, have people actually started noticing the ways in which our government actually manipulates us.
1 Toplock1 2018-01-21
The fact that people even need drugs to motivate people to sit around and talk about society is the sad thing.
1 new_q 2018-01-21
They don't need drugs to sit around and talk, the point is that youre more likely to sit down and talk if you take drugs, because it's more likely that you will question why things are the way they are.. but im sure there is plenty of people sitting around and talking about society and it's structure without drugs. Drugs are just the facilitator.
1 te510 2018-01-21
First of all, nobody said they're needed, and secondly, that's "the" sad thing? As in you're implying it's worse than the laws outlawing these substances?
1 Toplock1 2018-01-21
The post above me implys exactly that. And Yes it is worse in my opinion, the fact that people need drugs in order to think critically or discuss things critically is incredibly sad. I'm not here to hate on drugs they are fun and have there uses. But there is a reason the concept "sex drugs and rock and roll" includes drugs.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
You have an incredibly limited view & its very clear that you have zero experience in the topic at hand.
1 Toplock1 2018-01-21
I've done plenty of drugs lol. Please enlighten me what do drugs make you "learn" that you can't "learn" sober?
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
I'm certainly speaking specifically to psychedelics, something you clearly have a very limited experience with. It's not that you can't learn things without them, but these are referred to as "plant teachers/ guides" for a reason.. Use them with care, and use them with respect as to the transformations they can achieve, and you have an extraordinary research tool. Know what you're using, decide just why you're using it, and you can have a rich experience. They're not addictive, and they're certainly not escapist, either, but they're exceptionally valuable tools for understanding the human mind, and how it works. Ecstasy/MDA for example was invented for therapy when invited and first used they refereed to it as a year of therapy in six hours. These substances are incredibly helpful to society and even people like Bill gates and Steve jobs both have stated that if it wasn't for LSD they would have never been the people they became. The fact that you think all drugs are used for the resource of fun and fun alone is telling me that you've barely dipped your toes into any of these topics / substances. If you have any other questions I'd love to continue the conversation. If not thanks for taking the time to read this alone & I wish you a nice life! :)
1 Toplock1 2018-01-21
I've done psychedelics I guess not enough to have the kind of breakthrough you are talking about. I mean they certainly have some benefit. But I feel like focus and meditation can replace anything psychedelics can produce.
1 DivineFavor1111 2018-01-21
Simple.
Wisdom.
Instead of the fake "word-smithed knowledge" we've been force fed without questioning for generations. False limitations, propaganda based duality, conditioning of the public.
I also understand your point of view on the topic, I once thought similar until I had a near death experience and a natural DMT trip (the doctor told me this happens as a last stitch effort of the brain; but he left out the part about it originating from the pineal gland..)
I think DMT removes the veil.
I now see what's hidden in plain sight all over cable tv, my intuition is through the roof, and my belief in Jesus Christ stronger than ever.
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
I’m currently taking a class called Addictive Disease Concepts. The textbook states that the illegalization of drugs began on three premises: toxicity, correlation with criminal behavior, and dependence. The text also goes into how, although all three of these concerns are somewhat valid, they were also somewhat misguided. Not enough was known at the time regarding how best to go about any of. Making drugs illegal was supposed to take the problem away. Instead, it created a whole host of other problems. Over two centuries later, we are able to have a more clear picture of what’s going on. The fact that new drugs are being invented all the time, and there will always be more research necessary in order to understand it better means that society will have to constantly adapt and change to new information and regulation. It’s such a can of worms, and so much money is involved that it’s not likely we will see our society do what’s truly in the “best” interests of people, at least not in my lifetime anyway.
Most of what I “know” about drugs and addiction is based on my personal experiences with both. I’ve done a LOT of drugs in my life. I’ve also been through and witnessed a LOT of addiction and all of the garbage that goes along with it. Regardless of what I end up learning in this textbook look at the subject of drugs, I know one thing is for certain. I have nothing but POSITIVE things to say about my experiences with psilocybin, DMT, and cannabis. All three have contributed to some of the most beautiful thoughts I’ve ever had.
1 anonseeker1986 2018-01-21
That is sad. It really is.
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
Which part?
1 anonseeker1986 2018-01-21
That the most beautiful thoughts this person has ever had were while they were hi or tripping.
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
I don’t think it’s sad at all. Nor did I say that drugs were the source of ALL of my beautiful thoughts. I said some. Further, I experienced these thoughts when I was in my late teens, early twenties, before I had really experienced much “real” adult life.
These psychedelic experiences helped pull me out of deep moments of depression. They lifted the fog enough so that I was able to see my life in a more honest way. Once the drugs wore off, those positive, beautiful thoughts and perspectives didn’t just go away. They lasted, and continue to last.
I agree with you that the birth of my children, and the first time I fell in love, and the moments where I got to experience lovely bits of life and nature with my family are THE most beautiful moments. However, the psychedelic experiences allowed me to have another layer within those sober moments. I was able to feel the sacred nature of each of our souls participating in the moment as individuals, and as a pair or a group. I was able to stop and look more closely at the things around me, and realize just how much beauty goes unnoticed when we are in a hurry.
Sorry, I don’t normally do this on Reddit...but your take on what I said is so far off base, that I’m gonna go ahead and tell you to shove it. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
1 anonseeker1986 2018-01-21
Cry more, junky?
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
Ah, yes...the good ‘ol “I am incapable of saying anything intelligent; time to resort to name-calling” strategy. A wise choice, and always a valid contribution to the Reddit community.
1 anonseeker1986 2018-01-21
Already said everything I have to say. I’m not going to reply to every excuse you make... If I did we would be at it all day. Good.... Byyyyyyyyeeeee!
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
In honor of all that is petty...
“Last word.”
1 anonseeker1986 2018-01-21
That’s a complete lie. I don’t smoke, or take anything else, and I ask those questions all the time. He was probably asking why they aren’t being productive with their life.
1 mikesworld31 2018-01-21
Spirit molecule on Netflix is ok... Nothing like blasting off personally though...
1 iEatAssVR 2018-01-21
Spirit molecule was so disappointing for me, missed so much about what it actually opens you up to
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
to be fair its really hard to put into words, DMT I can barely explain to anyone haha
1 monkeylogic42 2018-01-21
my best explanation is 'ever tried salvia? the exact opposite of that' my salvia experience was a nightmare and i was adifferent person after.
1 frozenwalkway 2018-01-21
Me too . I found my self again but they are all shells of my former self that I have taken back into the post trip me
1 kriv072 2018-01-21
was it for better or worse?
1 frozenwalkway 2018-01-21
I've come to accept what it was. For a long while it was for worse. Caused psychosis in college. I'm good now tho. I think if I had other psychedleic trips before it it would have been easier.
1 Johnnyocean 2018-01-21
I had to quit smoking weed after this.
1 iEatAssVR 2018-01-21
I totally agree, but the spirit molecule is essentially just a bunch of weirdo's blabbering... it's like there was no point to anything they were saying. Awful documentary for how nuts of a subject DMT is IMO.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Yea its cause people studying it that never tried anything else get their first intense trip and they believe there's something else to it just like most people with any real hallucinative trip
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Sadly I havnt had the opportunity to try DMT and likely never will as there is not a huge market here for it in NZ, but out of mushrooms, acid, and a few other drugs I have experimented with the high percentage Mexican tripping weed has given me the most unbelievable 7-20 minute trips, I only bring it up cause I can't explain it properly but one of them all I can explain towards the trip was everybody in the world was everything holding each other up in lines hands to back and on top of each other and I could see many people I knews faces and out of the blue I fell and everybody feel cause of me it was way more intense and unexplainable but that was the base of one of my trip, another was seeing everybody I knews faces everywhere in front of me and trying to talk to them I can't remember what they did or said really but I was fkt each time I've come out of a trip I am told I was doing something or acting in a way that was way different to wat I was experiencing and it looked like everybody else just took a trip buzzing out at me .. Twas beautiful the most intense hallucination next to DMT I could imagine.
1 Jerseyprophet 2018-01-21
Read the book, written by Dr. Strassman himself. I've exchanged emails with him, and he said that he was slightly disappointed with how the video documentary came out. His book is much more detailed in the accounts of the DMT participants and his own feelings about it. By the by, he wrote a follow up, called DMT: The Soul of Prophecy, and now is completely fascinated by it. He is studying religious history and the role that DMT played in direct communications with the divine.
1 3sheetz 2018-01-21
I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it’s so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it?
Because they’re afraid that there’s more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they’re afraid to go in, and they don’t want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don’t know. And that makes us a little out of their control. – Quoted in the BBC documentary, ‘The Beyond Within: The Rise and Fall of LSD,’ 1987
Alexander Shulgin
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpz9yPcqIic
1 3sheetz 2018-01-21
Man that's where I got it from Simon Posford is a god.
1 greatlabrador 2018-01-21
Ah man, nice, ty
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
Shulgin was a weird character. Aside from the obvious inventions of hundreds of psychedelics detailed in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, he was a member of Bohemian Grove and gave lectures at Burning Man.
Footage of him at BM in this full-length documentary on him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jrtGsATn0
1 3sheetz 2018-01-21
Holy fuck. A whole movie. Brb.
1 sinedup4thiscomment 2018-01-21
Fuck yeah Burning Man, man. Have there been innocuous attendees of BG?
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
Think there's a whole Grateful Dead camp at The Grove. I can't really picture Bob Weir as a Satanist, Friend of the Devil, aside.
1 BigPharmaSucks 2018-01-21
Hijacking top comment to recommend this great series to anyone that hasn't seen it yet.
https://imdb.com/title/tt7026882/
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
Terrence was right.
I've taken tons of mushrooms, ayahuasca, san pedro, kambo (not really a psychedelic), smoked DMT and salvia, some of it at heroic doses. I can say that the truth of the extent of our enslavement is a recurring theme.
These substances allow us to shed layers upon layers of social and cultural conditioning, and for me, when I take them, it feels like waking up from a dream, into a state of much greater lucidity than what I normally experience.
I've encountered beings who gave me teachings, saw aeons coalesce into a single instant, even saw a few weird glowing globes in the sky post Ayahuasca at one point. My gf just rolled her eyes at me when I pointed it out. I guess she couldn't see it.
Anyway, I feel psychedelics are instrumental to breaking the many chains that hold us down as humans and divine beings. They hold the capacity to connect us to our truth, to universal truth, to pure being without the illusion of subject, object, and sequences.
I think anyone who seriously wants to change this world would do well to find qualified shamans, who are in my experience some of the most positively revolutionary individuals in our world today, and go through the grueling, blissful, ugly, and beautiful process of breaking down deeply ingrained cultural dogma.
The world may be fucked, and it's not going to last. You, me, all beings, however, are stuck with having a mind, with having experience. What we do with it is up to us, and few states are as ripe with potential for change and evolution as the human form.
Wisdom, compassion, and the tools that uncover those intrinsic qualities, is what is going to emancipate humans everywhere.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Do you still believe in things like ancient history, or that people really die or get hurt at things like the Boston Bombings?
If so, then I would say you need to do more drugs. Or, much, much less drugs.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-01-21
Why did you ask him about completely unrelated topics? Makes it sound like you are the one with something off. Whether he "believes" in those things you state, whatever that means, is largely irrelevant.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
We are talking about the undoing of cultural conditioning.
If the drugs really work in the way claimed, then one would think that the cultural conditioning to believe 'the news' would be one of the first things the drugs would help a person to see through.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-01-21
No, it's not magic, it still takes time and learning. I think it helps people recognize archetypes more, but you still have to THINK. Ancient history isn't all fake, and "the news" isn't completely phony either.
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Which parts of 'ancient history' do you believe are real, and why?
1 Xaviermgk 2018-01-21
Why prod me or them on what they "believe"? I can't prove anything, and you'll try to ridicule me either way. How about that the Revolutionary War was a complete sham, or that Napoleon's plan to invade the U.S. worked? Why was Hitler so interested in "ancient" history?
Why don't you say what YOU believe?
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
I don't believe any of the stories 'ancient history'. I used to, until I began looking into the evidence for myself. Want to know more? PM me.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
I don't really believe a lot of things, and I don't like to do "drugs" either.
1 formulated 2018-01-21
Your chemical history and what you wrote makes it evident to me that psychedelics are a good thing.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
Good or bad depending why your taking them, who your around, were you are etc. Keeping it illegal makes it more likely people will get a negative buzz out of paranoia and be doing it around criminals etc. It could be embraced and used positively if legalised I personally believe
1 Redchevron 2018-01-21
Then you find out that the CIA created LSD and all the propaganda that allowed it to flood into the culture.
Never forget these guys have a motto:
“Ordo ab chao”
Order out of chaos.
Legalization of psychedelics is still part of the plan.
1 Damfoolio 2018-01-21
Albert Hoffman discovered LSD. Not the CIA
1 Redchevron 2018-01-21
Sorry, I did not mean they were the first to synthesize the molecule.
They did however fund the development and studies associated with its rise in popularity.
1 Geralt23 2018-01-21
(((Hoffmann)))
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
lsd is childs play to the naturally occurring ones.
1 neathandle 2018-01-21
I believed that the first time I really felt connected with the universe
1 7a7p 2018-01-21
See, I was the universe. I was you. I was plants. I was time. I was alive. I was dead. I was terrified but also at perfect peace.
We’re not connected. We’re the same thing.
1 neathandle 2018-01-21
Isn’t being the same, in a way, being connected?
1 7a7p 2018-01-21
It could be two ways to say the same thing for sure. I can’t really describe what I “learned” except that it’s more that either explanation. It was like a feeling that I got a sneak peek at but there were no accompanying words to describe it.
1 CordulaH 2018-01-21
I love McKenna. He is so very right
1 rpilldsince14 2018-01-21
McKenna was a cia shill. Lsd creates by gov to test on soldiers and citizens. Population control. Mk ultra
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
LSD was not created by the government & is childs play compared to the naturally occurring ones. Bill gates and steve jobs both have stated if it wasn't for LSD they wouldn't have became the people they did. And their is very little relevant evidence to support the claim that he was a cia shill..... Next
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
perfect example of information without knowledge.
You sound like a poorly informed 16 year old.
1 rpilldsince14 2018-01-21
Says the fat 49 yr old
1 7a7p 2018-01-21
I realized that while I was high myself back when I smoked. I saw everything from like 30 other angles after sitting by myself and thinking about things...and my brain MADE ME think honestly about it and with some type of “ultra-empathy” that allowed me to feel what I was thinking about from each of those angles to truly understand it. Hell, my biggest problem was forgetting those feelings after a few hours or days and losing my connection to the thoughts they were tied to.
Weed fucked me up in a weird way, though. I saw through everything. I started to find “trying” harder and progressively more pointless. Ultimately, I decided to quit, take what I learned, and try to fit it into a normal life.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
What you say about weed seems to be a base effect of it, people who smoke weed are more likely to care about being happy now not to worried about the future, I smoke weed, I believe this due to things I've seen.. Miserable old folks working their entire lives and the only enjoy work now cause its all they've ever done, they can't enjoy the little things anymore and die with all this cash they could have used to live a happier life.. A big example was that mentally I'll grandma that tried to treat her grandsons? Leg herself because she stringed out, he lost his leg, soon she passed and he inherited 90 million.. That's an illness people enjoy today and tomorrow don't wait to die or until your so addicted to work you can't enjoy anything else
1 Venomous_B 2018-01-21
But has it caused any case of jumping out of a window believing one can soar?
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
lol thanks for the laughs, your not serious are you?
1 Venomous_B 2018-01-21
Just a yes or no would suffice. Thanks
1 DarkRollsPrepare2Fry 2018-01-21
Why this dude isn’t more often quoted on here is very strange.
1 isaidputontheglasses 2018-01-21
Yeah! The government doesn't want me know that my totally plutonic 300lb friend really wants me to fall asleep high and rape me. I mean, that's what I got last time I smoked weed. Fucking government.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Sounds like a person mental problem or unclean drugs. Test kits for the the man made ones, and study what your getting into and most psychedelics are safer than alcohol
1 noes_oh 2018-01-21
Sure, but like there is much more evidence that such drugs are killing people (see the video of the guy on Reddit earlierv this week jumping out of a moving SUV) than evidence of people on such drugs actually identifying and changing key constructs in the world we live in.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
The world as you know it was basically shaped by psychedelics, everything from the phone in your pocket to to the music you listen too. Psychedelics aren't dangerous in the slightest when treated with respect.
1 vornash4 2018-01-21
These structures exist for a reason. Not all minds can deal with the extreme elements involved in psychedelics. I am a strong believer in these medicines being used to help people with depression or PTSD, but they can't help everybody, under poor supervision they might actually hurt you a great deal. For instance how you deal with a trip where you go to hell instead of heaven could be a profoundly destructive experience to your psyche.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Not the reasons you think they do. I truly do think they can help everyone. So can alcohol or anti-depressant but both are legal and far more dangerous than the natural occurring psychedelics. & most "bad" or scary trips are actually the one you learn from the most. Under poor supervision or under education a car can kill. That doesn't mean all people can't benefit from cars if taught how to properly use them. & if we had them legalized more people would be educated on how to use them safely. Psychedelics have only been illegal for a very short period of time in human history, they've been used in almost every culture of the past and have greatly benefited almost every aspect of culture as we know it today.
1 vornash4 2018-01-21
The issue is with a single dose you can trip, and that trip may be profoundly bad, way worse than drinking too much alcohol. You may throw up or get sick from alcohol, but it doesn't profoundly change your mind. Shamans typically used such substances in ancient cultures, but I'm doubting whether the entire population used them. If you have any source material stating otherwise I'd consider it. This sort of experience is not for the weak of mind.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Then do 1/3 of a dose.. Depends on the substance, micro-dosing mushrooms for example makes them into performance enhancers people use them for MMA training, hell micro dosing is huge in the coding world right now for that reason alone and its extremely extremely rare that these substances will ever have a lasting effect on the mind. We have receptors for these substances for a reason, and DMT the king of all psychedelics is already found within the brain. Shamans over watched people using them not just used them alone. I'm camping right now, but I know certain native american tribes used psychedelics as a coming to age, meaning every adult male and many of the females took them. Again these substances for what they do, are incredibly safe. Especially at micro doses, the most dangerous thing about them is getting caught with them, no reason for them not to be legal, and far far far from being dangerous.
1 vornash4 2018-01-21
I don't have a problem with microdosing, I am a strong believer in the power of this substances, but they must be respected. And too often I know ignorant people don't respect these things before they use them in higher quantities. The issue of a shaman is an important distinction, it means ancient people realized you needed a guide on your spiritual journey to the edges of consciousness and back again. If it were legal then there would be specialized places for people to go to be properly supervised and counciled afterwards.
1 respectfulrebel 2018-01-21
Indeed, if I was in charge of it I would require a holding license for every substance specifically, with a corresponding class that required taking it once with a modern day "shaman" as a group, along with learning tips on how to guide yourself through an overwhelming trip, exc. exc.
1 Fuarian 2018-01-21
Yeah or maybe because they can cause serious issues... like accidents.
1 PrisonMike420 2018-01-21
Good thing that safe and accident free alcohol is legal
1 Fuarian 2018-01-21
It's a lot better to be driving drunk than high on LSD or any other form of hallucinogenic substance that can deteriorate one's awareness to such extremes.
And please, just because some substances can cause "ego death" and other "revealing" sensations to the user doesn't mean it has any relevance to "what they don't want you to know".
1 HillaryBrokeTheLaw 2018-01-21
Have you experienced any of these "revealing" sensations yourself, or are you coming from a more literalist framework? Some of us happen to believe, to know in our bones even, that the divine is real.
1 Fuarian 2018-01-21
Anybody with basic understanding of neuroscience will tell you that those sensations come from excess level of Dopamine, Serotonin and Oxytocin in the brain. Or other biochemical alterations the drug induces.
It's clearly not some spirits contacting you. Even if that's what the experience shows you directly.
But I propose not some hard sealed atheistic belief that that stuff isn't real. I propose an omnistic belief that perhaps that spiritual stuff some people experience is just one way of explaining it. A scientific perspective is simply another way of explaining it.
1 legenj 2018-01-21
Being delusional is not new: people seeing jesus everywhere, people thinking that they are talking to the gods when high as a kite or believing that they can go to other worlds when intoxicated.
One would believe that knowing that people on drugs were full of shit for millenia would make people with access to the internet more skeptical to nonsense.
1 UnopenedParachute 2018-01-21
Yeah because when you're three hours into a trip, the first thing you want to do is go for a drive.
Don't talk about things you don't know about. This isn't Facebook, people will call you out on your bullshit here.
1 Fuarian 2018-01-21
Well you can't seem to explain how a psychedelic drug trip can show you things "they don't want you to see"...
1 UnopenedParachute 2018-01-21
I have no interest in explaining anything to you. Go read erowid.
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
One, the "they" that is in the phrase, "what they don't want you to see", is the powers and principalities of the world, and not any one specific person, group, or interest.
It's probably better described as the Gestalt unconscious thought of the world.
And two, if you have the opportunity to look at yourself from A New Perspective and see that you might possibly be doing things in a way that isn't best aligned towards your own interest as a being, why would you be against that?
1 Fuarian 2018-01-21
Well if all the powers that be don't want you to see the same thing because it hurts their interests then they must be of the same group, have connections or something like that.
1 Hitter_ 2018-01-21
I would never drive on psychedelics... you'd catch me blacked out drunk behind a wheel before you catch me high on acid driving. That's absolutely insane!
1 startingover_nova 2018-01-21
What kind of accidents? We're not talking Nightshades here, where you stop being able to discern what's real.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
all my friends smoke weed and are actually really the hard sheeps
psychedelics i agree its a hard red pill to this matrix
1 DepressedGorilla 2018-01-21
Marijuana is more of making your brain more malleable. I believe that's exactly why ordinary everyday things turn amazing, because you become a child experiencing it for the first time.
If you go to church high every Sunday, then you are probably more likely to have an even stronger faith in God.
If you get high and immerse yourself in society and mainstream culture, then that becomes life and reality.
1 DracoDystopia 2018-01-21
Indeed. Weed isn't even remotely comparable to psychedelics. Just deluded stoners trying to justify their daily fix, imo.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
yep , weed is just recreational , infact my friends were/are hard stoners and now a days they lace their blunts with other shit too because its not enough .
1 DracoDystopia 2018-01-21
The thing is, weed is good for occasional use and if you have a stable state of mind. It becomes problematic when you smoke that shit everyday.
And like you, I have woke stoner friends and also know "sheep" who think John Oliver is a good news source talk about how weed will save humanity or some nonsense like that.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
sounds like the general population with or without weed
1 DracoDystopia 2018-01-21
Exactly. It makes very little difference. No idea why its being pushed as a drug for woke people. lmao
1 TensorBread 2018-01-21
Well it's more like an amplifier. If you're dumb it will make you dumber if you're intelligent it will make you think outside the box.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
why couldn't you say if your intelligent it'll make you smarter? because you can't swallow your own bullshit lol When your stoned you probably find the shit you think of smart .
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
It's different for everyone lol there have been many times where I've solved like, programming problems for example, that I've been stuck on for days just by thinking while high
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
'many times' i don't know man i just call bullshit you probably solved a problem maybe once or twice by luck because why didn't you say 'i always get stoned to solve hard programming problems' /print so like i was saying w/e to each their own from my experience of the people around me it doesn't work AT ALL ()
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
That's pretty close minded to say if it didn't work for me and my friends it doesn't work at all.
But anyways, usually when I'm stoned I think about things (obviously) which, sometimes, includes my job and I come up with solutions to certain bugs that I know I wouldn't have come up with sober. I say that because I've smoked enough to notice a difference in thinking high v sober.
It's not bad if you're more "dumb" while high lol I'd say the majority of the time I feel dumb while high. It's honestly what was described above as "thinking outside of the box". But it ultimately goes back to being different for everyone. If you're "dumber" while high (I don't like using that because it sounds derogatory), then embrace it. It's just what happens to you. No need to be weird about it bro lmao
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
it's not closed minded at all, its similar to how scientist conduct experiments, by observation . i used to live in the hood in NY where all people do is smoke TONS of weed. And let me tell you something boy , none of them made anything out of their lives till they decided to stop smoking. INFACT most of them know its a problem its why they always say "NA i quit bro" they'll last like a few days to maximum a month and go back to it.
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
If I observe that all my male friends are good at math and all my female friends are bad at math does that mean that only males are good at math? No. observational can help come to a conclusion but is not at all conclusive in itself. Actual conclusiveness would involve looking at regions of the brain which are effected during the high, not seeing people in the hood of NY be lazy lol
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
so you observed yourself solved a couple problems vs me observing an entire community of the hardest smokers and somehow you are correct in your 'conclusion' . Better stop smoking the marijuana man it's clearly not helping.
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
Bro I'm pretty sure I repeated more than a couple times that I'm sure it's different for everyone. There also must be a difference between NYC hoodlums and someone who's grown up in a "privileged" community. I also waited until after highschool to start. there's a lot of factors to consider my dude.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
if you play the lottery for eternity you will win eventually.
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
Are you sure you're not just projecting this feeling of "being dumb"? You're arguments are very poor
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
are you high right now? because that's what it seems if this is your best reply lol
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
I gave you clear replies earlier that weren't that hard to comprehend. If you're having issues with that, that's on you.
What you're saying is that you witnessed a group of people not do shit with their lives after smoking weed therefore weed makes you dumb (to put it simply). Take that to anyone who has completed a high school education and they will immediately point the flaws in that argument. The one thing you're [supposed to be] taught is that personal exprience means jack shit when arguing.
"My friends and I easily passed highschool so that means everyone should easily pass highschool" That's true with your logic. I would love for you to tell me with full sincerity that you agree with that logic.
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
WRONG, its not only different for everyone , its also useless for everyone and society other than recreational. You want to think
outside the box?outside your realm and see how irrelevant weed is? try DMT you'll only need to break through once in your entire life and never need it again and will be a better person from it for sure.Also the person not getting it is you, you said you solved a problem here and there and now weed is incredible meanwhile most hoods in america use weed , then move onto something stronger i am not just talking about my inner circle.
1 wonkyhead 2018-01-21
It doesn't seem like you understand.
1 TensorBread 2018-01-21
Because there is no such thing that will make you smarter. A drug isn't going to make you gain knowlege but a drug can make you lose memory (dumber).
So it would be inaccurate to say such a thing. It is better to say the drug will increase your performance on certain tasks.
You can't say "brooo if you smoke this you don't have to read the book you can just magically understand it by smoking."
1 Manguru 2018-01-21
i understand you but that's a bad analogy , information should not be mistaken-ed with intelligence.
1 wehr-wolf 2018-01-21
If you need drugs to be woke, you’re woke.
1 1111_11111_111111 2018-01-21
What about people who don't need the drugs but regularly see things other people do when they're high? A little hypocritical to call them crazy I think.
1 Glichraptor 2018-01-21
/r/im14andthisisdeep
1 PrisonMike420 2018-01-21
Weed?
1 Ieuan1996 2018-01-21
Certainly not to the same extent that psychedelics do, but in its own right definitely.
1 hank0 2018-01-21
You don't need to alter your mind with mushrooms or synthetic poisons. Meditate, eat well, reflect, spend time in nature, read. Expand your mind and you will see past all the bullshit. You don't need drugs.
1 yoloswag560 2018-01-21
You certainly don't need them, sure but they can help a lot and in a very drastic way. Like a shortcut.
1 bonerjamz89 2018-01-21
I enjoy doing all of these things....and psychedelics.
1 DracoDystopia 2018-01-21
You can do both.
I don't think weed is too good an idea though, unless smoked occasionally.
1 KarmaPolice777 2018-01-21
This.
Alan Watts once said regarding psychedelics, when we get the message, hang up the phone. And I believe the message comes in a variety of different forms but it all involves becoming more present and active in our current realities. That is to say, if you are using psychedelics to escape your life, you are doing it wrong. The point is to take the message of unity and interconnectedness of a psychedelic trip and implement it in our actual lives, bettering ourselves, our relationships, and hopefully the community at large. Psychedelics should be used to bring you closer to reality not farther away from it.
1 fergtoons 2018-01-21
Came here hoping to see a comment like this with more likes.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
There's no dichotomy here. You don't need anything at all, you're already perfect. Yet, technology such as meditation, knowledge of nutrition, as well as psychoactive plants exist, and in many cases they maybe be useful.
Sure, you don't need them. All you need is to sit down and watch the mind, but for those of us who find that hard to do, psychedelics present an effective path to transformation.
Psychedelics aren't necessary, but they're not necessarily an obstacle either. I would generally recommend sticking to the natural kind though.
1 anxdiety 2018-01-21
Psychedelics are like taking a flight over the path up the mountain. You can see all the twists, turns and even the destination. However they are no replacement for walking those trails for yourself.
1 Leoriooo 2018-01-21
I really think that you should try mushrooms before associating them with synthetic poisons.
Also I don’t see why they can’t be considered a tool. Just like meditation and eating well, it will help you see the bigger picture.
1 hank0 2018-01-21
I'd like to think I see the bigger picture already. IMO, what people experience while under the influence of a mind altering substance are simply hallucinations. Different hallucinations for different people, depending on their mental health and capacity, and their surroundings and personal beliefs. End of the day they are just hallucinations.
1 Leoriooo 2018-01-21
Personally I view them as a way of interacting with my subconscious. Is it really my subconscious or just hallucinations? I have no idea, however it has been beneficial for me.
There are multiple paths to achieve expanded consciousness. Whether it be through meditation or psychedelics or both, I say go for it. Glad you have found a way that works for you.
1 hank0 2018-01-21
Fair enough friend. Peace.
1 DarkRollsPrepare2Fry 2018-01-21
They’re not poisons, you ass, they’re medicine. They help facilitate mind expansion and healing for those who don’t have a grasp of the tools or time to meditate like a pro or immediate transform their life into an image of perfect health. You should try them, maybe it would help you be a little less condescending.
1 hank0 2018-01-21
Mushrooms and LSD don't fucking "heal" you, and it's not "medicine". Mushrooms are fine for shits and giggles, but LSD is brain poison.
If you're a simpleton and hallucinations give you some form of comfort, and universal understanding, then good for you. I didn't care for them.
1 DarkRollsPrepare2Fry 2018-01-21
Why can’t you realize that the last sentence is the only remotely fair or open minded thing you seem to be arguing?
1 vbullinger 2018-01-21
Yet here I am, someone who never even drinks
1 sonicb00m42 2018-01-21
Be.fucking.careful when you are venturing into the world of psyches.
With no question, they will strip you down of all mental barriers hoisted up and enforced by society. The veil will be lifted and there is no going back. Not that it's a bad thing, but can cause a great ordeal of stress attempting to readjust to whatever the fuck it is we have been conditioned to deem normal.
The REAL conspiracy.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Great video
1 KarmaPolice777 2018-01-21
Alan Watts once said regarding psychedelics, when we get the message, hang up the phone. And I believe the message comes in a variety of different forms but it all involves becoming more present and active in our current realities. That is to say, if you are using psychedelics to escape your life, you are doing it wrong. The point is to take the message of unity and interconnectedness of a psychedelic trip and implement it in our actual lives, bettering ourselves, our relationships, and hopefully the community at large. Psychedelics should be used to bring you closer to reality not farther away from it.
1 NOTAPILLAR 2018-01-21
This is by far the best way I've seen it put. That's what it's all about, man, what can you do RIGHT NOW to improve your life? Acid puts the idea in your mind, but if you don't try to incorporate into your life, it's essentially a waste.
1 Pla70 2018-01-21
This guy knows what he is talking about ! Have an upvote
1 heeryorlunboks 2018-01-21
/r/gatekeeping
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
If he really said that, then my respect for him has gone up tremendously.
1 KarmaPolice777 2018-01-21
"Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen..."
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Where is this quote from? Is there a source?
1 KarmaPolice777 2018-01-21
From the prologue of Joyous Cosmology after some research,
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/jcprolog.htm
1 Step2TheJep 2018-01-21
Thanks.
1 greatlabrador 2018-01-21
I can't not, heat the man's voice.
1 ThaOneGuyy 2018-01-21
This so much. I personally experienced this off of cid, my veil was lifted about a year ago after I did 2 micro(before the most I had done was 6 regular). It has been EXTREMELY stressful haha. I wouldnt change anything though. Most of the the mental barriers were lifted and it was such a shock im still not sure if it made me insane. Life is so different now.
However I will say ive sworn off nonorganic drugs. LSD is a powerful tool, I experienced its power and im scared to see what's further down the rabbit hole. So ima try some magic mushrooms and see how it goes.
I guess im trying to say you gotta be careful, because I didnt expect any of what happened, and I feel like I almost didnt make it back.
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
I can very much confirm this. For the last 2 to 3 years I've been taking a bunch of psychedelics up until recently. Some of the things that your Consciousness shows you wont always be fun and can give you a great deal of PTSD and anxiety, and in extreme cases put you in a state of psychosis.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
I have taken psychedelics before, I’m safe guys haha, but I appreciate it, one love.
1 MuuaadDib 2018-01-21
We would have a DMT holiday once a year.
1 fuckswithboats 2018-01-21
Imagine if it was tradition to breakthrough to hyperspace before Thanksgiving dinner
1 ConfusedAndHungry 2018-01-21
Holy fuck lol
1 JaySneezyPZ 2018-01-21
All that bickering would die down. Things would get real weird with mdma laced desserts.
1 fuckswithboats 2018-01-21
I love you uncle racist fuck...I love you, too, my communist nephew
1 Intel333 2018-01-21
Stop.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
DMT day :D
1 NikolaiBullcry 2018-01-21
I’ve always had a hard time mentally but I have been too proud to get something done about it. It’s like a war going on in my mind. I knew I wasn’t about to get on anti depressants cause they would just numb me. Talking to people about my problems wasn’t really an option in my mind. I’ve get that the problems I deal with are my own, and getting other people involved is a waste of time, as everyone has their own issues. I started vaping thc about a month ago after not having any thc in my system for a couple years. At first I was just using it to help fall asleep (only using indica) Now I’m using a hybrid of Sativa and Indica and I’m the happiest I’ve been in 13 years. I feel motivated and I’m starting to spend time with people again. It’s amazing what it can do. These “drugs” still have a bad stigma attached to them from when we used to devilize them. However, living in Colorado, that tide is seriously changing. I think anything done in excess can be a bad thing. But if you moderate yourself, it can be an amazing tool.
1 JaySneezyPZ 2018-01-21
This is another reason its illegal. When it was harder to get I used to smoke way too much of whatever was available. Now its a known dose of specific oils in a vape pen. Puff here or there througout the day and I am good. Maybe a little number or 20mg edible a couple hours before bed and my life is very enriched.
Colorado is just such a shining example of how bad this needs to be legal. It is painful to think of all the lives ruined over this still. Anyone against it at this point is a criminal. There is too much knowledge available to claim ignorance of why it is actually legal.
Glad lifes going good for you.
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
My girlfriend and I did a large amount of psychedelics when we first met. Started with LSD and eventually stopped at Ayahuasca. I can confirm that it does just that. LSD and mushrooms opened us up, my girlfriend ended up quitting the military, and I moved away from the southern part of the US. When we finally ended up doing Ayahuasca, that was the end of it. I won't go into what happened afterwards or what I experienced, but I do believe people who are looking for something higher than themselves often look for that in psychedelics. We finally ended up finding that after Ayahuasca. That stuff is seriously not of this world. At least the experience.
1 DandiestSquid 2018-01-21
I have never even heard of ayahuasca, and now I want to know more about your story
1 TibetanBowlHealing 2018-01-21
There is a documentary on Netflix called DMT: The Spirit Molecule, that features a section about ayahuasca.
1 asskisser 2018-01-21
Tell us please
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
What exactly did you guys want me to elaborate on?
1 Khemikal-Ali 2018-01-21
your trip
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
With Ayahuasca? Or LSD? I have had quite a few lol
1 huntskikbut 2018-01-21
Aya!
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
Man, I'll try my best. I did a two night session at a place in Florida called soul quest. The first night it made me deal with a bunch of stuff from childhood and some emotional problems I never dealt with from the start of me taking psychedelics. I had some really bad anxiety, I literally thought I was dying. I projectile vomited, out of both ends, lol. Then after purging I immediately felt my anxiety go away and felt this very non human presence starting to surround me...or hang out with me...or something along those lines. It started describing to me what was going on in my head and why the things had happened to me in the current life I had chosen. It showed me that we were all tiny drops of a gigantic pool of consciousness that we mistake for god. I had very intense visuals when I closed my eyes. I kept seeing a giant face that was vibrating different florescent colors. And hovering in this void of vibrating particles. And that's when it get hard to explain. I started seeing a mixture of mental pictures and a internal voice speaking to me. Towards the end of the trip for the first night I heard in my head tell me that we would be working on more the next night.
So the next night, I went into it with a lot less anxiety. I didn't throw up or have stomach problems. The Ayahuasca was much more gentle. It didn't talk to me as much, but the visuals were very intense. I noticed that anything I thought was met by a deep philosophical explanation. But I noticed that any time I asked a very serious question, like what happens after I die, it would tell me that now was not the time. So more or less, it made me deal with what I could actually handle and digest for my first session. But later showed me that the next time I decided to do Ayahuasca that we would be going much deeper.
The thing about Ayahuasca is that what happens to you doesn't immediately digest. More or less, the following weeks and months turn into "ah ha" moments. I realized that the entire time I was speaking to my subconscious almost the entire time. Aya brought me to a place where I could communicate with my deeper self, and I realized at that moment that we were all tiny bits of God/consciousness. And that's when I realized I had found what I needed the entire time I was doing psychedelics. I had found who I truly was and I didn't need anything like that anymore. I would like to do Ayahuasca again, because I would like to get to a point where I'm finding even more out than I ever thought I could, if that's possible. But my girlfriend and I have since stopped doing all of that. We don't even smoke weed anymore. Minus the occasional glass of wine, we dig just being ourselves and experiencing life with one another.
1 asskisser 2018-01-21
Thanks for sharing!
How can our sub conscious selfs have so much knowledge that we dont?
Why did you and your girlfriend quit?
Can I find the way without the aid of psychedelics? I feel too overwhelmed and weed has helped me the very few times I have done it.
What does it mean that we are tiny droplets of consciousness, could help me understand?
1 joshy5lo 2018-01-21
Well, I will describe it as best I can with what I could piece together. The giant pool of Consciousness is where all of life is getting it's consciousness from. And if that the is the case, then all intelligent thought comes from that same consciousness and I think that is what alot of people semi witness in moments of intense emotion or passion and mistake for god. And if our subconscious comes from that place that every existing being will end up going back to and adding it's experience to that collective consciousness, then I would say that our subconscious is connected to a great intelligence.
Me and my girlfriend quit doing everything because it became too intense. One hit of LSD was doing what 4 hits of LSD would do, two years after heavy dosing.
And I would think that clean eating and practicing deep meditation seems to do it for the majority of people who are dedicated. Some people just don't have the patience to do that and dedicate their time to it, much like my girlfriend and I lol. So psychedelics seem to be a jump start for people. Just read the book "be here now", a guru said kind of the same thing. Weed just gives me crazy amounts of anxiety now, where it use to be very beneficial for me. That part I haven't been able to figure out.
1 JebidiahLongtree 2018-01-21
No doubt, but you can do the same sober. Once woke always woke
1 Arlequose 2018-01-21
New to conspiracies??
1 StefanYellowCurry 2018-01-21
I don't know any good people who smoke Marijuana
1 FDOKProductions 2018-01-21
Of course not, they're all moral degenerates. Goddamn hippies!
1 SquatAbout350 2018-01-21
Define “good people”. Because I know a lot.
1 DarthStem 2018-01-21
Ok Jeff.
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
Another perspective is that societies depend upon stability and convention to operate : rapid and out of control change is hard to manage and interrupts the normal flow. This is a problem because they tend to postpone necessary adaptation, and they also can tend to punish, strangle, or delay innovation.
Any creative process becomes difficult, and certain substances also have other side effects that are prone to abuse by charlatans or when people are in a state of despair. Repression goes beyond mere conservative tendencies and becomes psychopathic control, domination, and exploitation. Elites are going to want to use these substances for their own means to either exploit, or to push demand to products they can exploit, for example the pharmaceutical industry that is fine with drugs as long as they are granted the monopoly.
TLDR: Fear. Greed. Evil psychopathic fucks.
1 seeker135 2018-01-21
That has always been obvious to anyone who smokes or does peyote or shrooms a few times.
The experience of realizing you know nothing, and what you know is beautiful, but holy COW is there a big and weird universe out there.
1 Justsaguy12345 2018-01-21
They open you up to demonic entities.
1 martianspacebees 2018-01-21
The universe is interesting enough, do we really have to make up demons to mystify it even more?
1 aplantwithapurpose 2018-01-21
Do you have experience in the matter or are you just saying that because you didn't like what he said?
1 aplantwithapurpose 2018-01-21
Only correct post on this thread
1 Zhuangthemang 2018-01-21
How do u get rid of the demonic entity
1 aplantwithapurpose 2018-01-21
All demons ultimately submit to the power of Jesus Christ.
1 Zhuangthemang 2018-01-21
Had a bad time with weed edibles, felt like I was possessed for months then started praying to Jesus and it stopped.... Really spooky do you have any other suggestions
1 Munchiezzx 2018-01-21
They take down social barriers and give light to what's really there. Everyone's too concerned about trends and how they look and the judgement of others and psychedelics take away that judgement so you now don't care about other people. It also comes at a cost, everyone will look at you differently and think they are smarter than you because you don't seem to care about the stupid shit they care about. This should be on r/trees lls
1 dr3adlock 2018-01-21
My experience every time.
1 wSWeaponX 2018-01-21
DMT, a biological naturally occurring substance is super illegal for no real reason
1 DontBanMeForAsking 2018-01-21
Everyone needs to try DMT. It will change your life!
1 TheVapenessMonster 2018-01-21
Done LSD plenty, if I ever find DMT I'm pouncing.
1 mosstradamus 2018-01-21
In my opinion, it’s the strongest drug known to man. In every sense.
1 BWet00 2018-01-21
Be careful how, exactly? Any other relevant information to share to someone considering trying it for the first time?
1 xofiatc 2018-01-21
Hey, check out r/DMT if you're interested in learning more about it! There's lots to read about there. Everything from teks, trip reports, and more. Possibly r/Psychonaut too if that's your thing!
1 mosstradamus 2018-01-21
I would spend a month or two researching DMT itself before you take it. If you have never done any psychedelics before, don’t touch it. And know that there is nothing you can do to prepare yourself for what is about to hit you except to open your mind and body to the impossible.
Most people choose to smoke DMT in its crystal form. It might seem pretty degenerate smoking from a “meth pipe”, but that’s honestly the most effective way to ingest it. Effects can last 3 hours or more when orally ingested along with an MAOI, such as an ayahuasca brew, but that’s a whole nother story. Clear your entire day, despite the 15-30 minute duration, have someone who has experience in psychedelics tripsitting you for the entire duration (as you might go “unconscious” and they’ll be monitoring your breathing), and DOSE CORRECTLY. Your trip may vary from a heavy body-load with intense visuals and otherworldly thoughts to a full-blown trancelike state where you completely lose consciousness and separate from your own reality. While in this trance you might use languages that don’t exist in this plane to speak with formless beings, in a body and consciousness that isn’t your own. You’ll feel like you’re being ripped from your own mind and thrown into a universe that you don’t understand whatsoever. I keep using “you” as a reference point but that’s irrelevant because all sense of self stops existing when you’ve “broken through”. Time? Some say it feels like only a few seconds while others say it lasts a millennia. You’ll be abruptly thrown back into your body by the end of it, questioning where you are and what the fuck just happened. You might remember just a fragment of your bright and confusing adventure, or have vivid recollections of that unintelligible “conversation” you had with Lord D’rr’thrax of nether realm 16.
Yeah. Definitely research it.
1 BWet00 2018-01-21
Thanks for your response. I have researched it and continue to. Have done psychedelics before. I'm ready. Cheers.
1 mosstradamus 2018-01-21
You’re welcome.
I’ve done it twice. And I don’t ever plan on doing it again.
Not because of a bad experience, but because I received complete closure on my last trip. 6 years ago.
1 sub_to_naffa 2018-01-21
I took a shit tonne of shrooms once, definitely going to try DMT
1 tanamingo 2018-01-21
I don't like the "natural substance" arguments. Cannabinoids, psilocybin, amygdalin (cyanide precursor), mycotoxins, all occur naturally.
If your argument for wanting shrooms to be legal is because it's naturally-occuring, you're also making the argument that your neighbor should be allowed to propagate black mold freely in the adjacent apartment unit, or grow poison ivy in his back yard just to burn and fill the neighborhood with irritating smoke.
1 pepperonihotdog 2018-01-21
Where do you buy mushroom spores in US? I've been terribly depressed for a while. Haven't tripped for at least 10 years.
1 UnderwaterJJ 2018-01-21
They're legal to order in 47 states, I've been getting mine from sporeworks 4, 10ml syringes is about $40. There's a list of certified vendors on shroomery.org
1 pepperonihotdog 2018-01-21
Yeah I knew it was legal in my state. Thanks for the info. Gotta get some golden teachers
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
And chance you know if its legal in Florida
1 UnderwaterJJ 2018-01-21
It's illegal in Idaho, California, and Georgia so you should be good.
1 SolarSynapse 2018-01-21
My fiance and I actually make dates every month to do LSD in nature together because it brings us back to "reality". After a month of living in Corrupt-Human-Land, seeing clearly again keeps us sane.
Also dabs, everyday, justttt to keep our wits about us. Easy to get lost in this crazy world.
1 aoguang 2018-01-21
I smoked for the first time a few years ago and I have dramatically reshaped my worldview. I was always a staunch republican. Since then, I've realized how much we are misled to believe a story we are being told. That shift in perspective has led me on an enlightening journey. I really feel I've grown as a person and feel like I can see truth more clearly.
1 Tottim 2018-01-21
I believe you are wrong. If it would really brake the mental barriers there is NO way that it would be legalized in certain states. What is actually happening is that they are trying to purposefully normalize it. There is no real vote, democracy doesn’t exist. The elites will do whatever they want, just look at the situation with net neutrality. If they want to legalize something, they will. They want to legalize the use of marijuana because it disperses you from God. It’s one of the pathways to demonic possession, this is said by a satanist, not me.
1 nofilmynofucky 2018-01-21
I'll agree with you on the psychology front but wouldn't say the same for pot
Personally half the reason I'm an almost daily user is that it helps me to chill out and stop thinking about the problems of the world for an hour or so
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1 Coolhand2610 2018-01-21
Shhh...don't let them know you know!
1 wh33t 2018-01-21
Marijuana is illegal because hemp competed with the cotton industry way back when, and people who smoked it were often associated with people who protested against war. Marijuana actually competes with many industries and there has always been a strong desire among industry titans to keep this plant illegal for that reason, economics.
As for psychedelics, I imagine lots of people have been hurt using them and instead of teaching people how to do things safely, we'd rather practice abstinence only education and law.
1 Habanero_Eyeball 2018-01-21
That's one reason but it's not the only one.
Here are others:
1) Pot and psychedelics threaten profits for alcohol, tobacco, big pharma and many other industries. So they fight like hell to keep them illegal.
2) They provide an avenue for populating private, corporate prisons.
3) They prevent an income source for "off the books" funding for many black ops programs.
4) They provide an avenue/reasoning for militarizing the police forces around the nation.
and many other reasons.
1 ffwwwwwwww31 2018-01-21
YUP
1 Canbot 2018-01-21
If you ever experience the decline of someone you know due to an addiction you might have a different opinion. Marijuana should not be considered in the same context as opioids and synthetic drugs. But had drugs destroy lives. Good people become monsters. They severely damage their families and communities.
I do want to try micro dosing. And educational aids. But I'm not going to risk my job for it. I think it should be legal but I don't think there is some explanation beyond a heavy handed response to drug abuse.
1 VerifiedMadgod 2018-01-21
And im convinced marijuana has made you paranoid.
But i am high right now so maybe i am paranoid..
Woah.. Dude..
1 SquatAbout350 2018-01-21
No shit lol...
1 SquatAbout350 2018-01-21
In other news 9/11 was an inside job
1 yankerage 2018-01-21
The CIA was all about giving people lsd back in the day.
1 35chaton 2018-01-21
Perhaps not everyone loves psychedelics and marijuama as much as most people. I for one think it's disgusting that growing poppies is illegal.
1 Ctstiffler2871 2018-01-21
Thank you for once again reconfirming my belief that the people who post on this subreddit are retarded
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Why the negativity
1 Soapysoaperson00 2018-01-21
Thank you for once again reconfirming my belief that the people who post on this subreddit are retarded
1 wonkyhead 2018-01-21
Thanks again for reaffirming my belief that the people who make comments like this are top silly to know the difference between "reconfirming" and reaffirming.
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Ikr. The delusion is real, holy shit.
1 Dizzlean 2018-01-21
Na, Gov just doesn't want a bunch of hippies not contributing to society and becoming a burden for everyone else who's content with reality.
1 DarthStem 2018-01-21
I tripped last night on some shroom tea. I love the deep thoughts and the mental gymnastics. I felt like I could see into the other side and we interact like oil and water. I felt like I was thinking on a higher level, which with the number of connections your brain makes while high on psilocybin maybe I was.
1 why_are_we_god 2018-01-21
no, the truth is mostly just compounded fear and ignorance. i doubt anyone in power realizes the true potential of what they do, because if they did, they'd be fully in support of mass enlightenment.
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
Absolutely. Experiences I had years ago on LSD, and even more so from mushrooms, had a profound, life-long effect on my worldview. It gives you a peek at some kind of mysterious "other side" of life. I actually felt connected to everything/everyone, plugged into whatever this thing called existence is, and it made me a spiritual person, where before I was pretty much your typical materialist-minded, hard-line, angry young atheist who dismissed anything "mystical" or not espoused by mainstream science. And it's hard to talk about it without spouting tired cliches, but it really was like having blinders removed and seeing how completely batshit off-the-rails insane our entire culture is. It's obvious they don't want those kinds of paradigm-shattering shifts in perception to be widespread among the populace. It's without a doubt a massive threat to the status-quo of imperialist late capitalism.
1 Vulcan7 2018-01-21
IDK about psychedelics, but weed is illegal because some prohibitionist hated Mexicans (who smoked a lot of it at the time).
1 toomuchpork 2018-01-21
Weed was made illegal over hemp and the paper industry.
Hearst wanted the H2SO4 paper production as did Dow, DuPont and Corning.
1 ChinaXpat 2018-01-21
yes, mushrooms break down the socially programmed part of your brain
weed makes it easier to develop inner dialogues, conducive to understanding narratives that run counter to the mainstream
the best safe way to reprogram your brain is meditation together with idosef binaural beats.
1 prinkboss 2018-01-21
Been thinking this since my first mushroom trip. The irony of locking a person who values a mushroom trip is sickening
1 othergabe 2018-01-21
That's wrong. It's stupid drugtalk assigning too much power to substances and attaching too much truth to your own thoughts.
You can learn about yourself on psychs. You don't get to discover new great truths without new information. A substance alone can't do that regardless of the effects.
1 freethinker78 2018-01-21
But on the other hand ancient cultures used drugs to communicate with their gods.
1 othergabe 2018-01-21
Oh. I always forget about that proven fact.
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Yeah those weren't hallucinations, nah. No way.
1 krapunski 2018-01-21
Those ancient cultures also sacrificed people. Maybe they were communicating with false gods.
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
Quick question, as a contrast to your opinion, how many different possible combinations of Legos are there in a box of Legos?
Is a box of Legos that is only designed to build a spaceship only capable of being made into a spaceship?
Do you have to add additional pieces of Legos to the box of Legos in order to make the Legos into a different shape?
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
And if, a different shape is capable of being made out of the Legos that are currently in the Box only designed to be made into a spaceship, is the new shape of no value whatsoever?
1 othergabe 2018-01-21
I liked your metaphor and I like legos. My answer is that you can make lots of other things with the given bricks. Nothing larger though. Is rearranging the same collection of things giving you anything truly new?
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
I get your point.
I disagree that the new thing must be larger to have a new value, but I see what you're saying.
Maybe I'm just playing fast and loose with the rules.
1 othergabe 2018-01-21
That sounds good if it actually happens.
Anecdotally I encounter plenty psych users that say they've got it all figured out after a good trip, but the supposed change thats coming or their new outlook never seems to manifest.
1 AmNotSatan 2018-01-21
I don't know many people who use psychs and those that I do know don't claim to have it all figured out, so I can't comment on that, but I do believe that many people need therapy and can't or won't pay for it.
For those people, when, in the right mindset they use cognitive behavioral self therapy to analyze their own actions and outlooks they can help resolve many issues that would have taken years of paying someone else to help them with.
Doesn't mean that they rocket out of the event with clarity and purpose in life, but the little steps I have made with this have enabled me to feel happier about my life.
Highly anecdotal, I know. Sorry. I'm enjoying this conversation because it's obvious to me that you're a pretty respectful and reasonable person. It's a little rare to have this kind of conversation on Reddit.
1 othergabe 2018-01-21
Cbt sounds interesting, didn't know that is a thing. Glad psych use has worked out for you. My personal experience with psychedelics is inconclusive so far. The pros and cons have been sort of a wash for me, but I have enjoyed the research!
Thanks for taking the time
1 EmotionlessSadness 2018-01-21
Ive always been taught the mind is what connects the body to the soul and that creates life. Unhealthy thoughts can turn into depression, suicidal tendencies, and premeditated harm.
Your brain is like a computer always processing everything and storing memory. The system we live in doesn’t work for us it works against us, and makes us overheat causing us too slow down.
Psychoactive drugs reformat and refresh.
1 cheq 2018-01-21
It's maybe true for psychedelics, but marihuana it isnt in the same category. Pot makes you confortable. I can go and argue that in any case, POT makes you cool with things and not able to act on your ideals. I am a addicted stoner trying to leave marihuana, and you can go and take a look at r/leaves the experiences of the addictive pot users... nobody will talk about liberation or open mental barriers, ironically, they talk just the opposite.
1 freethinker78 2018-01-21
Why is the word that many musicians get to be so good because they take marihuana?
1 cheq 2018-01-21
Hmm, i think that's part of the mystic of drugs in music or art, mostly. People love to buy the ideal of a alternative doped mind that comes to show us the truth or the beauty in life.
I've never heard that from marihuana (well maybe with some reagge bands), but did heard and see the role of cocaine has in musicians and bands. I think this is part of entertainment industry.
Also, artists tend to be weak to addictions, and are much much more exposed to drug dealers and shitty entertainment sellers (like managers who buy booze and bring whores to the camarin)
1 blue_limit1 2018-01-21
Also /r/petioles for those who want to cut back, just posting for the lurkers.
1 cheq 2018-01-21
Thanks, it really helps to have this kind of subreddit.
1 skyderper13 2018-01-21
and that is? some mysterious nebulous concept
1 MrRedTRex 2018-01-21
Absolutely. I'd heard this quote or similar long before I ever dabbled in any psychoactive substance. Then once I did, it became immediately apparent. I also believe that's why alcohol is the most readily available and commonly used drug. As a drug, alcohol sucks. It's a fairly strong CNS depressant but is very disorienting at large doses, is very unsafe, addictive, difficult to take at times, etc. But alcohol calms and depresses. You are in a more suggestive state. You are more willing to accept bullshit.
1 Renux666 2018-01-21
Reminds me of black mirror
1 _m0use_ 2018-01-21
CBD and Kratom are the future.
1 blue_limit1 2018-01-21
What's Kratom really do? I've never looked into it because from what I have looked into, it seems to be used to wean off of other substances.
1 _m0use_ 2018-01-21
It's a safer alternative to Oxycodone and other painkillers. And yes, it can be used to cure addiction to opiates and alcohol.
Red strains are more for pain killing. Green strains are more uplifting.
1 shane_jayc 2018-01-21
this is not to be taken seriously, but once when I was high I had the thought that weed was the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" from the genesis story in the Bible. Also on a more serious note, pretty sure the Sumerians and their "gods" who were the fallen angels gave us the knowledge to get high on various things.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
Shiva gave us hashish on the 7th day iirc
1 shane_jayc 2018-01-21
thoughts confirmed. Source: ^ this guy
1 Splub 2018-01-21
You don't need any of that to think outside the box. They're illegal because for decades we've had stuffy people in charge who see drugs as degenerative substances.
1 freethinker78 2018-01-21
I have also thought about that, but there are plenty of users who don't report eye-opening stuff.
1 quickie_ss 2018-01-21
Mckenna is brilkiant but god damn it hurts me hearing his voice.
1 Hitter_ 2018-01-21
I've done a shit ton of psychedelics and every time I do it I have new revelations. It helps me think, I listen to music differently. I hear the waves and see the beat. One of the most interesting thoughts I have during a trip is how interesting life is, why we are here, how did we get here? Every time I'm high I can't help but think life is just a simulation and none of this shit really matters. It helps me live my best life. I may not have a lot but I do have what I need & for that I'm thankful.
1 dczx 2018-01-21
"Assuming you know what is really going on."
1 HardMultiprogramming 2018-01-21
People smoke pot still? Jesus no wonder they legalised it.
There are so many better drugs now.
1 thebluemonkey 2018-01-21
Well cannabis is illegal because Mexicans and acid is illegal because Vietnam.
It's all based on racism and not wanting to back down tbh.
1 Thundus_Bear 2018-01-21
I've thought this for a long time.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-01-21
how is this not: Misleading, fabricated or sensationalist or Self posts that lack context or content?
I took some psychedelics and still smoke a little. Drugs don't automatically reveal some deep, profound truths. Know what did reveal "what's really going on"? Reading books. Stop the new age garbage, pls.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
Obviously if you take it to look at cool hallucinations it won’t have a profound impact on you.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-01-21
then why did you explicitly state that they have some kind of direct causal relationship with perceiving "what's really going on", whatever that might be?
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
You need awakening
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-01-21
meaning what
1 alexmly 2018-01-21
Meaning your ego is too thick for you to understand
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2018-01-21
understand what, ffs?
I said drugs don't automatically enlighten people, get told that's not what the post says (even though it pretty clearly does), then get condescension when I ask for clarification.
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
How THEY rule us with IT bro!! Lol
1 Poke_uniqueusername 2018-01-21
I'm noticing a lack of a /s here
1 Poke_uniqueusername 2018-01-21
Lmao
1 bigodiel 2018-01-21
I doubt the Brits had this in mind when they force fed the Chinese market opium. Or the CIA as they dumped crack cocaine in black neighborhoods.
1 The_Noble_Lie 2018-01-21
Neither are psychedelics. What the shit is your point?
1 Templemagus 2018-01-21
You're right of course. But this isn't a theory, it's history.
When one of the MK ULTRA sub projects went south, and the use of naturally occurring substances for the purposes of better handling of sensitive material were shown to have a stronger effect in the opposite direction, at first they were just defunded in favor of more easily controllable implant technologies pioneered by DelGado.
But, once LSD in particular escaped the lab, all bets were off. That single molecule in the right circumstances could undo psychological conditioning that it takes years of training and reinforcement to inculcate in test subjects such as armed forces personnel and agents from various agencies.
Though the company at the time loved to fuck with Hoover's boys in the experimental stages, ruining more tgan a few careers in the process, the Marines and Army also supplied subjects as did hospitals in the US and Canada along with certain universities. However a few doctors had some rather-unusual experiences. They banded together loosely to promote societal change through the use if these substances.
When Pandora's box opened and upper and upper middle class white kids suddenly started seeing the "system" for what it was it began to degrade the very foundations of the social order. Revolution was in the air. Panicked messages flew at a glacial pace through the bureaucracy as the "system" worked overtime to reel in this one little molecule.
It took criminalization and a shit ton of psy ops to finally put the lid back on. Once the "hippie" problem was dealt with (with cocaine, heroin and meth networks, Mockingbird style disinformation dissemination and political maneuvers) the "system" could go back to focusing on undoing Roosevelt's programs and continue siphoning off the wealth of the nation through the military industrial machine.
1 Iamnotelephant 2018-01-21
Speaking of MKULTRA, if you haven't already, check out "Wormwood". Really well done show.
1 jje5002 2018-01-21
the thing that confuses me is that wasnt LSD invented by sandoz, aka big pharma?
1 googlythemoogly 2018-01-21
Good thinking OP. I think other reasons are that they compete with the liquor and pharma cartels (this one is obvious). Also, the private prison cartel depends on immoral drug laws to fill up and maximize profit. In addition, it conflicts with the push to starve government to justify privatizing everything. Look at all the new tax money they now have in Colorado thanks to legal weed, which is being used to improve government services. This is the opposite of what the neo-cons want.
For sure though, all of the stated reasons are bullshit cover stories.
1 AlbedoAnimus 2018-01-21
When I started smoking marijuana, I had already begun looking deeper into the hidden world. What I noticed was when I would smoke and think or talk through whatever I was trying to figure out, the 'Aha' moment would come on faster. What would take me days or a really clear spell to figure out would just slot into place and it all became a clear picture.
But of course, they dissapear fast and once you're sober or at least not at the peak of the high the pieces would fall back apart and I'd forget what I actually figured out. To combat this, arm yourself with a notepad haha. This brings to mind when I was looking into Scientology, more specifically the 'engram clearing' rituals they perform. They describe the engrams as painful/traumatic stored past events, or scars in the mind that create a cycle and bring you back to your lower/stuck self when they're activated. This can hinder people for life without knowing that they are stuck in negative feedback loops. There are many other researchers coining their own terms for these "block/engrams/loops" that are all eerily similar with a name change, but this was the main one I was looking into. Makes a great Wiki read hunt.
Engram “a definite and permanent trace left by a stimulus on the protoplasm of a tissue. It is considered a unit group of stimuli impinged solely on the cellular being.”
So I think taking psychedelics and marijuana(to a smaller extent) temporarily clears your mind of these mental barriers so we can get a better handle on reality.
1 spunTF_out 2018-01-21
Dianetics did a lot for me. Especially in the area of psychosomatic ailments...
1 AlbedoAnimus 2018-01-21
Did it really? That's interesting, thanks for your input. I actually have a condition that is lifelong if remission isn't achieved and I've been trying to find any way that could help. Cheers
1 WarOfNoise 2018-01-21
they also help with depression, for which one is dependent on big pharma to remedy.
$$$$$$$$$
1 jwlondon98 2018-01-21
In college last year I smoked a lot of weed, like everyday. Some of it was synthetic off the dark web (not the wisest decision, as I found out afterwards it was likely laced with PCP). Long story short I began realizing that I’m just a part of the system. College felt like a complete scam, especially having to pay for and take bullshit Gen Ed classes that have no benefit to me other than waste my time and dumb me down. So, eventually I smoked too much of the synthetic shit and ended up in the hospital with a mental breakdown. Smoking the synthetic stuff was a mistake, but not the natural. I haven’t done any drugs since then, but the experience has woken me up. I now see that society has been rigged for centuries. Where there is money and power, there is corruption. Everything makes sense now.
1 StankyDankyWank 2018-01-21
ding ding ding
1 happinessmachine 2018-01-21
Or it could be the opposite, drugs are specifically promoted to the youth to keep them weak and pre-occupied. We know the CIA purposely distributed LSD to young people, and probably still does.
1 GonadusTwistus 2018-01-21
what if these were rogue agents trying to help everyone by doing this
1 happinessmachine 2018-01-21
Read this and tell me what you think:
1 hulk_hogans_alt 2018-01-21
I agree, although I'd caution people against the idea that marijuana, or even all psychedelics are completely harmless. Having a megadose of weed brownies at 25 really fucked me up and caused some lasting issues. Also, edibles are metabolized by the liver and produce a different drug than smoked cannabis.
Of course, all these issues could be solved if these drugs were legal in a therapeutic setting, but we definitely won't have that any time soon, sadly.
1 Mike_delslo 2018-01-21
The chemical that is produced is called 11 hydroxy metabolite / 11-Hydroxy-THC and is 5-6 times for psychoactive than smoking or vaping marijuana.
Not correcting you just putting out more info incase people were curious.
1 GonadusTwistus 2018-01-21
the chemical created by baking it or by the liver from invgsting it?
1 Mike_delslo 2018-01-21
Should've specified, it's the chemical your liver makes as it breaks the THC down.
1 GonadusTwistus 2018-01-21
TYQT
1 hulk_hogans_alt 2018-01-21
Yes, that's the one, thank you.
1 SurvivalOfDecades 2018-01-21
I 100% agree!!
1 Coffeegoodbye 2018-01-21
Yes
1 Sirsqueak05 2018-01-21
I dont think it breaks mental barriers I just think the intensify and use parts of the brain that we don't use on the day to day. Have you ever noticed how more creative you can be on weed then in your normal day to day?
1 bri9and 2018-01-21
And you would be 100% correct
1 Mike_delslo 2018-01-21
Try DMT.
1 HippieChimp4Truth 2018-01-21
I agree completely but there's a valid counter point that being stupid baked/tripped off your ass while driving is way dangerous (I can vouch for that) and we see how many people follow the drinking and driving rules currently (though they're a bit absurd). I'd love to buy both at the local grocery but if you had a population of people driving and tripping way more than normal, we'd have bad times. Though self driving cars are already taking over...
1 GonadusTwistus 2018-01-21
a rule like— get busted once and no more driving would be incentive to behave
1 HippieChimp4Truth 2018-01-21
I wish we could say society would act responsibly with it and be careful with regards to others (self driving cars and uber negate that part). I'm always in favor of more rights for the people as long as the elite don't trick or poison us from it. Maybe, get busted once and can't get more for 6 months (if it's driving related). Honestly, with self driving cars and robots replacing workers across the board, I see vast legalization so people are groovy and pacified.
1 Poke_uniqueusername 2018-01-21
No it wouldn't. Countless people risk their lives by drinking and driving and shit where the rule is "do it once and theres a pretty decent chance you'll never do anything again"
1 HippieChimp4Truth 2018-01-21
Whether it's strict and lax punishment, people will do as they do. Like subsidies and rebates, we need a proper incentive for people to want to enjoy it responsibly. I'm still way for making things legal and available, I just think it'll be a bigger shift in societies thinking than we can fully grasp and technology will move things even quicker.
1 The_Noble_Lie 2018-01-21
Most people drink fairly responsibly. We cant expect everyone to act responsibly though yet society deems it "sellable".
1 HippieChimp4Truth 2018-01-21
Agreed, most do it responsibly but never everyone. I think the sellable part is class. Make it sexy and it'll sell itself (hard to imagine a mushroom commercial though). You can still get in trouble if you're highly intoxicated in public on anything. The drunk driving laws don't apply to you if you don't drive inebriated or otherwise... My vote would be to make very low potency forms of all medicine/drugs/intoxicants legal and accessible and let people (properly informed) take what they want.
1 Temple_of_Light 2018-01-21
That's exactly why.
1 dilatory_tactics 2018-01-21
Including that obscenely wealthy plutocrats are committing crimes against humanity by hoarding socially recognized/protected property rights, which, in an age of automation and rapidly advancing technology is arguably worse than slavery and Holocaust combined. It's the difference between enslaving/killing a few tens of millions of people and enslaving all of humanity, i.e., billions of people, for property rights that don't improve their quality of life at all.
1 kryptokoins 2018-01-21
The Prison/Jail Industry is a multi-billion dollar industry along with the fact that police departments can steal all of your stuff and keep it or sell it off to fund themselves if they suspect that you are selling illegal plants or substances this is why these things are illegal. They make billions putting people in cages and stealing their things.
1 schtuck 2018-01-21
One of the first posts on this sub I've seen that I wholeheartedly agree with. Bravo u/Mattzballs
1 robowriter 2018-01-21
part of an ongoing social engineering project
1 wififamous 2018-01-21
Truth
1 browmftht 2018-01-21
WOKE
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Lmao...
1 ZazzooGaming 2018-01-21
Took lsd last night... its sad but its the happiest ive ever been in my entire life.
1 barnun 2018-01-21
I've never done psychedelics, though the mind-opening possibilities of them intrigue me. On the other hand, I know people who have done them, and overall I'd consider myself more open-minded and unconventional in my thinking than they are. I guess I don't see the results I'd expect to from people who have had and reported to embrace such "out of the box" experiences.
1 mcsniper66 2018-01-21
In my opinion everyone should try them, in a safe controlled environment. They improve people’s outlook and destroy their previously narrow outlook.
1 The_Noble_Lie 2018-01-21
Hard to make it out if western indoctrination without one of those. (Atheist, materialist, reductionist undertones in public schooling)
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
The fact that you boast that you're more woke than your friends makes me think that you would benefit from a little time in a box where you don't know anything. I would recommend Alduous Huxley's The Doors of Perception if you don't want to take the literal leap.
1 barnun 2018-01-21
I don't mean to sound like I'm boasting. I have read The Doors of Perception. One of my favorite quotes is "I know that I know nothing." It's just an observation of people who have tripped, reported perception altering experiences, but then seem to just go back to who they were before.
Maybe some people genuinely take hold of their perceptions and actively apply them to their beliefs and life choices, while for others the implications are too scary and run back to consensus reality. I think we've all seen on this sub how cognitive dissonance works in some people, maybe that's what's at the root of it, how a person could experience a greater reality, but then drop it and go on like nothing happened.
1 MookiTheHamster 2018-01-21
Shh
1 mcsniper66 2018-01-21
Tools to explore alternate forms of consciousness.
1 Toplock1 2018-01-21
I swear the most cliche things always get upvoted on this sub drugs are fun but they arent necessary. Everything you "learn" while on drugs can be learned while sober. Why do drugs help you "see what is really going on". What have people "learned" on drugs that they couldnt have learned sober?
1 Iamnotelephant 2018-01-21
Drugs are a lot of fun until they aren't. They help you look at the world with different eyes. That feeling is very seductive and its easy to fall into a trap of making that special, altered reality your regular reality. Unfortunately, the real world goes on all around you while you are playing in wonderland. You wake up and realize a lot of shit has gotten past you and you missed a lot of opportunities. Now you are old and you need to figure shit out.
Shits fucked yo.
1 Cooo_Stan_Za 2018-01-21
The most cliche in every sub. I think people have experiences on drugs because their own daily routines, do not allow for critical thinking. So when they take drugs they're 'freeing' their mind to think about things outside of their realm. Most drugs are euphoric, one way or the other, so when you take them is hard to not listen to your subconscious which cannot lie to itself.
Sure, you have them sober. But your normal mental routines, do not allow for creative, alternate routes of the happiness your brain is truly looking for.
1 Herculius 2018-01-21
I'd be more inclined to agree if these drugs weren't widely propagated to various groups by organizations like the CIA
1 CaptKamClique 2018-01-21
Duh
1 Zenblend 2018-01-21
Cannabis shouldn't be compared to psychotropic drugs. They're worlds apart.
1 freelywheely 2018-01-21
Not quite, cannabis when handled in a sacred setting can be a very powerful teacher plant that recreational use glosses over..
1 dumbgringo 2018-01-21
When I take mushrooms my ability to read people goes up exponentially. I frequently play at the Hard Rock in Hollywood and always do best while using, it's like I am ultra aware of player 'tells' and the possible hands available from the cards layout (more than my usual). It definitely opens the mind in ways that should be explored, I have had amazing experiences.
1 ProbityJoe 2018-01-21
It's the other way around.
They break down people's ability to think, that's why they've always been opposed by people who want a competent electorate.
If you don't want that, go ahead and drug everyone. Give them all free morphine. Reap the benefits of a retarded populace.
1 bucket935 2018-01-21
Holy shit (6/10)
1 tastetherainbowmoth 2018-01-21
I for one believe that pot doesnt do shit, you think you have a major breakthrough and that you found everything out, but you still don’t do shit and watch cartoons all night. i can speak from experience and watching dozens of „illuminated“ friends over years...
regular weed smokers = zombies
1 pvtgoombah 2018-01-21
truth
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Yup, this so much.
1 FupeLiasco23 2018-01-21
Varies per person.. I smoke daily.. Go to school and workout all the time and have friends and stuff lol
1 weeglos 2018-01-21
They're illegal because hippies use them, and if they are arrested for possession then they can't vote.
1 Zapooo 2018-01-21
lmao
1 sciototrails 2018-01-21
We have a BINGO!
1 LewisMcSpuffy248 2018-01-21
100% true
1 mjschreff 2018-01-21
please someone hook me up with some psychedelics
1 radikaltruth 2018-01-21
Exactly. An opened mind is a dangerous mind
1 Pound_CAKE1 2018-01-21
Yup...
1 Earth_Against_Evil 2018-01-21
During a couple of psychedelic experiences I have literally felt my body morph into different animals. On 5 Hits of LSD, I painted a mural of sea creatures in a friends house, and as I was doing so I felt my body literally transforming into a turtle, a shark, a seahorse, a jellyfish, and a giant squid over the course of about 8 hours. Another time, in a sensory deprivation floatation tank, I swam along through all the oceans and rivers in the world, shape shifting into different animals. To someone that hasn't done high level psychedelics, it might seem like a novelty or something experienced in a dream. But it was, to me, literally as real and concrete as everyday reality. Those experiences converted me from someone who cared nothing about the health of the environment (or even my own health) to someone who is deeply commited to living a life in accordance with nature, and taking care of my body equally well. And once you realize how commercialism and the global economy is turning the planet to a toxic waste dump, it's impossible to continue with the charade of modern life. This path led me to sustainability, self-sufficiency, gardening, and permaculture, and the realization that the entire American ideal has been built on a Type 1 Error. So yeah, I can vouch for psychedelics as being an enormously formative and life-altering event, (Note: They can also be very dangerous, even to someone who considers themselves a veteran, I literally almost died due to ego death on a bad Mushrooms trip, ended up in the hospital with a brain hemmorhage due to hitting my head under the influence.) I guess it's sort of like what Alan Watts said, "Once you get the message, hang up the phone".
1 Dark_Irish_Beard 2018-01-21
You seriously make me want to try it. And I would seek it out if it didn't jeopardize my job!
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
You should definitely. Maybe at a point in life where your happy and ready. You'll see the world for what it truly is
1 ilikerealmaplesyrup 2018-01-21
Mckenna is a CIA puppet.
1 Arizth 2018-01-21
Which is why you do t get to make policy decisions.
And thank god for that.
1 WarlordBeagle 2018-01-21
They can fuck up your life. You can see lots of examples of stoners and junkies who's lives are screwed. In smaller doses, at the right time in a person's life, they can help people who are stuck. But, there is no way to predict who will be helped, and who harmed.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Pretty sure those types of people were already going to fail at life. Weed doesn't change who you are.
1 odashooter 2018-01-21
Wait right there!!!! .... Illuminati
1 thelastmagician 2018-01-21
Duh
1 Vesuz 2018-01-21
I used to think this kind of shit when I did acid, shrooms, ketamine and smoked weed all day. Then when I stopped I realized it was fucking retarded and I was just high 90% of the time.
1 Natural_PersonANONN 2018-01-21
People who LSD and weed pay less taxes and enjoy themselves more and think more freely. No tyrants want that.
1 strangemarinations 2018-01-21
You don't need psychedelics or marijuana to see what's really going on here.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
It sure does make it easier though
1 mistercynical1 2018-01-21
Likely not because they break down mental barriers. Money comes first for the ruling elite, so they're likely banned because the pharmaceutical industry would much rather treat the gigantic population of mentally ill and depressed with their own highly profitable meds. That and most substance laws date back to highly conservative Christian times where all drugs were considered evil.
1 stonernerdgirl 2018-01-21
Yup..
1 Rocko9999 2018-01-21
This is it exactly. The whole government construct is based on a sober or alcohol induced perspective. When you alter your conscience with mj or psychedelics, you see the flaws in the system much more clearly.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Exaclty. But people are saying otherwise thinking physcadelics are similar to heroin or something
1 withfinesse 2018-01-21
Are you familiar with the theory that says that psychedelics are how the apes advanced into humans? Maybe we are nearing the next phase of our evolution?
1 mcotter12 2018-01-21
I'm convinced that bushing lighting on fire and telling people shit in the middle of a desert might be a metaphor.
1 user1688 2018-01-21
I disagree, in my view marijuana is a gateway drug into causing cognitive dissonance. Why? Because you smoke it and obviously it's less dangerous than alcohol, so you immediately think the government is a liar. That cognitive dissonance from realizing marijuana isn't "bad" like you've been told makes you start looking at other things differently,
1 FupeLiasco23 2018-01-21
Once woke always woke
I became 'woke' BEFORE I started smoking weed and its only helped me be more open minded then I already naturally was
1 like_a_horse 2018-01-21
Psychedelics make you less susceptible to propaganda. It doesn't make you more enlightened or see beyond the real world it just makes you question things as seeing and hearing isn't always believing. After all remember that time the walls looked like they were melting? Yeah that didn't really happen so it makes you look more intently at blanketed and exaggerated statements. Also the government did a lot of research into LSD and found it to be mostly useless but potent. This actually makes LsD a bit dangerous even tho the average person can experience it with little to no side effects. Someone could also take way to much, we are talking 100-1000 times the necessary dose, which can cause extreme emotional and mental distress leading to PTSD or the emergence of otherwise dormant mental illness because that person took to big of a shot. For example look at Pont-Saint-Esprit, screwing up your dosage could keep you awake for days and even lead you to accidentally cause your own death. During the mass Poisoning several residents of the town threw themselves from windows some to make it stop others because they believed they could fly. And marijuana is illegal because the timber oil and cotton industries lobbied to make Hemp illegal int he early 20th century as hemp (marijuana) was a cheap alternative for their raw materials. Also prohibition had just ended so the head of the DEA was about to lose his job unless he found a new substance to crack down on.
Final note on psychedelics the only pharmaceutical value they offer is in combination with real counseling . Shrooms won't make your depression go away on their own. LSD and Ibogain won't cure your addictions on their own. MDMA doesn't magically cure PTSD. The only real medicinal use for any of these psychedelics where they work on their own is shrooms for cluster headaches.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
Isn't the foundation of philosophy based on the premise of questioning everything? Weird how we are still talking about ancient philosophers when that clearly isn't a strength...
1 like_a_horse 2018-01-21
You don't need psychedelics for that tho.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
Why limit our perspective?
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
I've tried lsd and I don't see how it would make you believe you can fly. I don't believe that one bit. You're still aware of what's dangerous and what's not
1 thebarrington 2018-01-21
I had this EXACT same thought the other day.
My experiences with psychedelics (mushrooms and Acid) have opened my mind more than I ever thought possible. When partaking, I feel as though I'm tapping into a collective conscience that is ever present yet just out of our grasps during waking consciousness.
I feel as though I understand the cycle of life and death better, my individual purpose, and the collective purpose of nature better.
I forget any money trouble or relationship issues, they matter not, there is only love.
(This coming from someone who never tried weed until 25 and psychedelics until 30 and lived a rather conservative life style prior.)
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
I feel the same. I'm 18 and tried physcadelics. I feel more connected with people and nature. I'm more caring to people. Even people I don't know. I also cherish great moments I had more than I ever did before. I feel life is more than just working a 9-5.
1 scotttherealist 2018-01-21
Marijuana and psychedelics used to be illegal because the .gov wanted a productive workforce to make money which could be taxed to fight off the Germans and the Russians.
Now marijuana is becoming legal because a certain political party wants your mind to be pliable and unquestioning, easily manipulated by your emotions.
1 FunCoupl3 2018-01-21
I 100% agree. I think it also not just the high itself but how a mindset can be transformed after the high. That is what is really concerning to those who seek to enslave us under their own intention of doing the right thing aka Sheep Hearding.
1 CordulaH 2018-01-21
Totally agree.
1 ProphetChuck 2018-01-21
Has anyone here had any experiences with DMT? I've heard it's supposed to bring forth some intense spiritual experience.
1 jonxxxjj 2018-01-21
They are illegal because they break down mental barriers that prevents you from being mad.
1 lochied 2018-01-21
I’m convinced you’re a fuckin retard
1 Paddington_Fear 2018-01-21
yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man
1 mangodonna 2018-01-21
Marijuana is legal a few states in the US now isn’t it?
1 themekbuddha 2018-01-21
What if we’ve had it wrong. The government wants us taking psychedelics and smoking pot but tells us not too so that we do. hits blunt
1 MegaManZer0 2018-01-21
Or maybe there's just really fucked up side effects that can seriously harm your health.
1 polarbluff 2018-01-21
this is my conclusion also
1 xian1985 2018-01-21
Or maybe they are illegal because they want young people to do them.
There wouldn’t be the “cool factor” behind them if they were legal.
1 InPaceViribus 2018-01-21
No. I've taken all manner of drugs and watched other people take all manner of drugs and can tell you that you're not enlightened, you're just high. You're not breaking down mental barriers, you're breaking down brain cells.
1 MuchoMaas49 2018-01-21
Breaking down brain cells? What drugs are you doing? Studies are showing that DMT actually help in the process of recreating neurons.
1 redditeditard 2018-01-21
Shhhh, don't tell them marijuana is addictive, has a withdrawal effect, causes hormonal imbalances and smoking or vaping it increases their risk of cancer.... they can't handle it!
1 VandalMonkey 2018-01-21
They're illegal because they know if it's forbidden you'll want it more. That stuff Rita your mind, don't fall for it.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Dumbest shit I've heard. Physcadelics arnt like drugs such as cocaine or heroin or whatever your brain washed to believe. They're something you take maybe once or twice in a lifetime and you see what truly matters of life
1 sunset57 2018-01-21
I concur
1 UniFlyingOrchestra 2018-01-21
Keep to yourself and quit bringing attention like this on the internet
1 dalamir 2018-01-21
Anyone who needs psychedelics to get to the point where they believe in a non-consensus view of reality poses no meaningful risk to the status quo. Evidence:the 1960s.
1 MyBrotherFrancis 2018-01-21
Marijuana no, psyc drugs yes.
1 Stevedabsalot 2018-01-21
Nah dude you're just still tripping
1 anonymous91172 2018-01-21
After awhile of smoking cannabis I feel like I notice messages in the news, media and even in commercials and other television. People say I'm just paranoid, but I truly don't think I am. I'm just seeing things that others aren't. Cannabis has definitely opened my eyes into seeing the truth of the world around me.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
That's what non users don't understand. They think you just get "high" they dont understand how obvious things look when your sober
1 ajarndaniel 2018-01-21
I'm convinced of this too. It's why drugs really will save the world. The root of the problem is in our minds. Enough people turn on to their compassion and the bizarre mystery that's suffusing us, and the capitalist ecocide has to end.
1 fuckyouidontneedone 2018-01-21
/r/im14andthisisconspiracy
1 sunsetcanyon 2018-01-21
Everyone who agrees or upvotes this post is having (subversive) added to their government profile. It’s so trivially easy to maintain a database of usernames and real people these days with the computing power that exists.
I don’t disagree with “control”, as humans are capable of great savagery, and with thousands and millions of overlapping but conflicting (of the deadly kind) perspectives the result is chaos with mass violence— it is simply a fact that we are not sufficiently self-disciplined and self-aware to manage ourselves in the midst of opposition and opportunity. Of course, that we now possess the knowledge to elevate us only makes the systems of human management (governments and institutions) brightly display their secondary goal: profit.
That is the TRUE problem with many current systems of governance— the elevation of life seems secondary to profit.
1 no1113 2018-01-21
I'll just leave this here.
1 RuffSamurai 2018-01-21
As someone who has psychosis due to psychedelic and marijuana abuse in my teens, I still 100% completely agree with you.
1 AnonDocs 2018-01-21
I had a close friend of mine who grew up in Kentucky, he was fairly liberal, but extremely patriotic, he came from a military family. Another friend of mine mentioned a 9/11 theory to him once and he flew off the handle and started freaking out and stormed out. A few months later the two of them were doing Mushrooms together and she started explaining all the facts and shit. After a few hours when the trip calmed down they put on Loose Change, I doubt he would have been so receptive to that information if it weren't for the psychedelics. It's not like these two friends aren't very close, but his mental barriers for a subject that sensitive were just so powerful, sometimes you need an external variable.
1 envy_mad 2018-01-21
We live now through a time in the society we have built on a Type 1 Error.
1 fastcarscheapbooze 2018-01-21
If that was true then why are so many hippie's violence endorsing authoritarian collectivists?
1 ocdudebro 2018-01-21
And your conviction is correct
1 ChaseWarrior 2018-01-21
For sure. They can be great tools ;)
1 supercede 2018-01-21
Yes!!! Your True-Self is begging for you to drop the labels, drop your precious identities and JUST DO YOU!
1 JarJar-PhantomMenace 2018-01-21
I doubt it. Be specific about what you think is going on? How you think the drugs would help? All they do is make you chill out and see things in different perspectives than you would normally. They might make you more peaceful but peace is useful for governments as much as war
1 SmellsLikeDick101 2018-01-21
They are illegal because they cause schizophrenia. Go read some medical journal articles and educate yourself. Sounds like an addict trying to convince themselves
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
You must be retarded.
1 CelineHagbard 2018-01-21
Removed. Rule 4.
1 SomethingLessEdgy 2018-01-21
Drugs are illegal due to a combination of Religions Conservatism and Faux Political Conservativism that demonized Drugs in order to circumvent Slavery for their For Profit Prisons, and also to robthe Left wing of voters.
Nixon's cabinet members admitted to it
1 FROXII 2018-01-21
Alternatively: You're high.
1 Tartwhore 2018-01-21
That's because you're dumb.
1 vigilante777 2018-01-21
That’s cause you smoke too much weed
1 PM_ME_YOUR_HEELS 2018-01-21
A shit ton of human being consumed them during the 60s, what was the result ? Nothing.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Why is it banned them?
1 erietemperance 2018-01-21
If only it were true.
1 fnoobreported 2018-01-21
Yall were stuck on a mofo ship
1 RandoKillrizian 2018-01-21
Go to Google earth and search Miami federal court house. The view from top down blew my mind. That is when I knew these people talking about admiralty law were spitting truth.
1 Gr4b 2018-01-21
Are you role playing as an absolute fucktard or do you genuinely believe that's how drugs and drug bans work
1 possessed_flea 2018-01-21
Quite to the contrary, consciousness comes down to vibration or "cycles" with most people starting our partially in sync with the universal common consciousness, what eastern religions call the "third eye" is just a shift in frequency of your own consciousness closer to the common consciousness. Plenty of animals are closer to the common consciousness than humans.
The majority of drugs will take you further away from this, with one exception DMT, as dmt is secreted by your brain as you die to give you understanding and peace in your final moments.
1 Morden013 2018-01-21
Recently I read a book about the damage that worrying causes.
I believe that if the marijuana were legal, a lot of medical issues caused by stress and worry would simply vanish.
That is, off course, totally opposing the wishes of the fucking pharmaceutical / medical lobby.
1 21309 2018-01-21
"The more people smoked herb, the more Babylon fall." - Bob Marley
1 21309 2018-01-21
"The more people smoke herb, the more Babylon fall." - Bob Marley
1 CH192 2018-01-21
well yeah, obviously. Why else would they be illegal? It's not like weed and shrooms are hurting anybody. The fucking government wants you to remain as stupid as possible. Go back to watching TV.
1 action_turtle 2018-01-21
... preferably the news
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
I agree, simply they help people think outside the box we have been manipulated our entire lives to think inside of? Most older folk I talk to don't even want to hear real news, they just care about work and getting by each day and only what's around them and gossip so much boring bulsht over and over.. I cant be around these people they find it mentally streesfull very depressing and to much on their psyche to think of anything other than what they see each day..
1 mrcpu 2018-01-21
I find the news can be overwhelming and there's literally next to nothing I can do about it so I skim it and then move on to dealing with my own life.
1 dltn_put 2018-01-21
Did you just figure that out by hotboxing with the boys and listening to Tool? btw how’s 10th grade going?
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
If you've never tryed physcadelics, you can't say anything
1 SSpsychiatrydespise 2018-01-21
A home owner can have their property taken if they have one plant over the government allotted amount. Seizure is a big thing these days. The only reason for the pretend legalization is so authorities can take properties.
1 Azh1aziam 2018-01-21
I hear this often about marijuana..and as a career smoker who frequently takes layoffs for work...I can tell you that if you think weed is mind opening, try being completely sober....
1 AngelComa 2018-01-21
Basically. When I took LSD all I could do was laugh at how utterly pointless our existence is. How we are the ants building at hills for others to sit and get what they want. How their threats only have power due to everyone complying and how spending so much time scared is worthless.
Do what you love and spend it with those you love. Literally fuck politics, news. I even think conspiries are unhealthy after the trip because there isn't a solution. Kennedy got killed by the CIA? So what? What we ever going to do about it?
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Same mindset I had. Why be slaves for the government (working 9-5) when you can spend times with your family and friends and enjoy our existence
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
How will you do that without basic income to buy food, pay rent, etc?
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
I'm not saying to not have a Job. I'm just saying in general there are people who main focus is there job for their whole life. I'd take time to appreciate the world
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Yeah but I don't get why you need drugs to come to that conclusion.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
What's so bad about taking phycadelics? I wouldn't know how to achieve that without them. I didn't even know I could change my view of the world like that
1 GetSame 2018-01-21
Well then your mindset was very limited to begin with.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
I'm sure it was
1 BaSkA_ 2018-01-21
I'm pretty sure the real reason drugs are illegal is because of the profit from the drug war. Government and metacapitalism/corporativism at their best.
1 Rebel_Yell27 2018-01-21
Allllrigjt that’s enough Conspiracy Theory for a lifetime but TL;DR The British fucked the Chinese over with opioids and the British realized how easy it was to hook a nation and make them drug dependent. So not much to do with “TALKING” more to do with not having a drug dependency. (I don’t think this really applies to Marijuana but others? Of course.)
1 redditeditard 2018-01-21
The government wants you high.
Wants you spending funds on drugs (to fund black ops) and not on developing individual wealth.
Wants you to stay socially isolated.
Wants you unable to maintain certain employment.
Wants an excuse to arrest you.
Wants you trapped in a level of physical sensation that mimics mental or spiritual elevation.
1 No_Fake_News 2018-01-21
I'm of the opinion that marijuana is pushed so hard by the powers that be onto us because they want us weaker, more docile, and less quick witted. It hasn't exactly done wonders for the African American community either ;(
1 Work_Werk_Wurk 2018-01-21
Psychadelics and marijuana are illegal because they pose a threat to industries that earn trillions per year.
Pharma, healthcare, & textile.
1 JohnnySkidmarx 2018-01-21
I just thought they wanted to prevent me from a Rob Burgundy type trippin’ event.
1 Worthington_Rockwell 2018-01-21
If everyone tried Mdma once, the world would be a better place.
1 Haterade_1010 2018-01-21
One or two trips on LSD over a lifetime would be enlightening but disagree on pot. Pot feeds right into a system of consumerism and complacent population.
1 Lithium_uk_ 2018-01-21
I know plenty of people that do both are still cocooned in their ech chambers so im not to sure this is accurate.
Weed has got to be an issue because of big Pharma and other industries not its view changing possibilities.
1 mangetoutrodders 2018-01-21
I recently had my first breakthrough on DMT, and among all the other perspectives and understandings that I came back with, one was that there is no way that TPTB (I wouldn't even say it's governments) don't know what consciousness really is, why we are all here, where we came from, and the sheer indescribable beauty of being and love available to all of us, hidden in plain sight. To try and hide it by laws and the very real threat of prison time is definitely the biggest conspiracy of them all, and one I understand now will be known by everyone when they die [spoken like a true space cadet; I know how it sounds].
1 Logickalp 2018-01-21
I think thats possible, though I believe its more likely because it create a market with the overhead of any botanical garden that can produce remedies far cheaper than perscription drugs. They also don't have to same side effects which lead X% of people to take one drug as a way to counter act issues caused by another. Marijuana would also directly impact the massive market developed around treating the symptoms of cancer and its symptoms. These are billion dollar industries, bound by legions of beaurocrats all tied up within the system to ensure it functions as its supposed to, income for the super rich. Thats why people are still debating whether its harmful eventhough it was definitely proven decades ago to be perfectly benign and in fact helpful with many psychological problems AND can, if tuned appropriately, completely remove the need for NSAID pain relievers.
1 Twiggy6276 2018-01-21
I disagree here. I don't think we want the average psychedelic-user(specifically) making important decisions about our society. Marijuana? Well, I think its legal in DC, so its not stretch to think some of our lawmakers are partaking when in DC for session. I know I sure would be with that clusterfuck.
But still, I think you're a bit off in this assumption.
1 katarine- 2018-01-21
... just what an addict would say. Fwiw.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
Most ignorant comment I've ever seen
1 katarine- 2018-01-21
True though. Best to keep your mind sharp these days... not foggy.
1 Cheezewiz239 2018-01-21
I haven't smoked/tripped in a long time actuslly. But it's still obvious how everything works in this world. If you don't have experience don't say anything
1 katarine- 2018-01-21
I'm sympathetic with people who have chronic pain they try to manage... But personally I try to watch everything I eat and drink, limiting the amount of substances that have mind-affecting properties... even caffeine, alcohol, and otc cold medications. Even most tap water in major cities is laced with the medications people pee out and/or is pumped in by the govt.
To each their own.
1 freeconc 2018-01-21
You are on the right path then.
1 HealersJourney 2018-01-21
I have a nephew who fell for this crap, had a complete psychotic breakdown requiring hospitalization from taking shrooms. Will never be the same again. Did not experience enlightenment, just became disabled. Fuck you shroom and psychedelic propagandists.
Cannabis for cancer, great. Everything else: if you happen to be part of the percentage of the population who for whatever reason possess brain chemistry that gets destroyed from even ONE hit of psychedelics, let the buyer be warned.
1 Mattzballs 2018-01-21
That’s awful I’m sorry to hear that
1 Stj7326 2018-01-21
It’s illegal because TPTB realize you can be controlled through the dangerous drugs such as meth, crack, and heroin. Psychedelics and cannabis remain outlawed because they are uncontrollable; meaning that the drug has no physical dependence for the user (psychological, maybe). I understand all these drugs remain illegal at any level regarding the US Coding of Controlled Substances but think about it... When was the last time someone OD’d on pot? Never has that been found on the death certificate of any person as the primary cause of death “Acute toxicity of cannabis.” That just sounds fake lol. So we keep the more dangerous drugs at a level that would remain controllable to the general public (I.e. low income cities, DEA turning a blind eye on how the drugs enter the country via gangs/cartels) and they make the psychedelic drugs more controllable to the general public by attributing it’s dangers and effects to the equivalency of heroin.
The cycle continues and continues. The DEA blames a lack of scientific and medical use as the reason cannabis remains schedule I. Even though how many states have passed some form of decriminilazation on the drug for either recreational or medicinal purposes. They also don’t disclose that in order to really study the drugs effects in needs to be declassified. Currently there is only 1 location in the country where this drug is studied at the federal level. I bet this supports honest and non-bias research. So if the federal government is the one that is controlling the research to further validate the DEA’s preconceived beliefs, how will reform ever pass on the national level?
It won’t. And that’s been clear as day with the given administration. You have the Keebler elf dictating from his tree hole information he clearly has no scientific or medical understanding of. This is a man who is on record stating that marijuana is only slightly less awful than heroin. Either Jeff Sessions has preconceived beliefs that 2018 is 1938 and Reefer Madness is ramping up to wage war on all Americans OR he has personal interests on keeping the drug as Schedule 1 at the federal level. Follow the money and it will lead you to more of the reasoning why this drug remains illegal at the federal level.
1 AtIeastimtrying 2018-01-21
I recently got to try LSD for the first time at 24 years old. I have now been dosing twice a month for the past 4 months.
I have made some of the most positive changes that I have ever made in my life. I feel better than I ever have before. Down 24lbs, quit drinking, quit smoking cannabis etc.
After taking it for the first time I became slightly obsessive with learning about LSD and it's history.. I came across a video of clinical trials with LSD from back in the 60's/70's that had commentary from both the doctor and the patient they dosed. At the peak of his trip, he stated "I... I just feel like I have no enemies in the world"
I think that alone says a LOT about why it's illegal. Its not easy to monger fear with the general public if they feel they have no enemies.
1 vts845 2018-01-21
it is just because it is difficult to regulate, tax and monopolize
1 rebuilt11 2018-01-21
You think people would go to work every day and pay taxes if the just saw what life really is
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Are you just namedroppimg random good things to come from the 80s? OK i guess I'll namedrop 3 random bad things to come from the 80s. Or not because that's a stupid fucking argument.
1 HillaryBrokeTheLaw 2018-01-21
Have you experienced any of these "revealing" sensations yourself, or are you coming from a more literalist framework? Some of us happen to believe, to know in our bones even, that the divine is real.
1 UnopenedParachute 2018-01-21
Yeah because when you're three hours into a trip, the first thing you want to do is go for a drive.
Don't talk about things you don't know about. This isn't Facebook, people will call you out on your bullshit here.
1 cmonBruh8766 2018-01-21
Are you sure we went to the moon though? I thought this was a conspiracy sub
1 rockytimber 2018-01-21
Jimi Hendrix something something Haze
1 soulgidget 2018-01-21
From my experience, you grow up in a certain culture, era, society, etc., and you are kind of indoctrinated from an early age with your culture's values and assumptions. So, being born in hyper-consumerist late 20th-century America, I was kinda programmed to view my fellow humans as competitors, and to place importance on superficial/material things like money, "cool" clothes, flashy possessions, social status, etc. Mainstream American culture is generally very shallow, materialist, and just spiritually bankrupt. We are expected to accept things like war, poverty, inequitable class divisions, etc. as natural and inevitable parts of life. Psychedelics just make it easier to see how all of this shit is ultimately an empty construct that has been foisted upon us, and that our species is capable of so much better.
The thing about psychedelics is, they don't really give you anything that isn't already there inside you. They just make it easier to access these deeper levels of thought and experience. I believe that even the Greek etymology of the word "psychedelic" is roughly "mind-discovery." So you're really just discovering latent parts of your own mind and reality (as opposed to other drugs like alcohol, benzos, opiates, cocaine, etc. that are more about getting "fucked up" and making yourself temporarily oblivious to reality).
1 new_q 2018-01-21
They don't control the narrative on the internet, unlike they have been on radio and tv since it's inception, so that's a BiG problem for them. That's why one of the tactics that's widely used now is misinformation, they throw so much stuff out there, so it's harder to pick apart the facts.
1 cluelessX478 2018-01-21
pussy shit. I have a proprietary method to extract pure adrenaline from infants and inject it directly into my brain.
jk. maybe not ALL the drugs. just most of them.
1 BetweenTrips 2018-01-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpz9yPcqIic
1 Hitter_ 2018-01-21
I would never drive on psychedelics... you'd catch me blacked out drunk behind a wheel before you catch me high on acid driving. That's absolutely insane!
1 Poobyrd 2018-01-21
Then get the actual name and position of the guy who said it. It was domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman. It took me 30 seconds of Googling.
1 KewCrew 2018-01-21
Bro I'm pretty sure I repeated more than a couple times that I'm sure it's different for everyone. There also must be a difference between NYC hoodlums and someone who's grown up in a "privileged" community. I also waited until after highschool to start. there's a lot of factors to consider my dude.
1 Mike_delslo 2018-01-21
The chemical that is produced is called 11 hydroxy metabolite / 11-Hydroxy-THC and is 5-6 times for psychoactive than smoking or vaping marijuana.
Not correcting you just putting out more info incase people were curious.
1 DracoDystopia 2018-01-21
Exactly. It makes very little difference. No idea why its being pushed as a drug for woke people. lmao
1 KarmaPolice777 2018-01-21
From the prologue of Joyous Cosmology after some research,
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/jcprolog.htm
1 curiosity36 2018-01-21
Shulgin was a weird character. Aside from the obvious inventions of hundreds of psychedelics detailed in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, he was a member of Bohemian Grove and gave lectures at Burning Man.
Footage of him at BM in this full-length documentary on him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1jrtGsATn0
1 cheq 2018-01-21
Thanks, it really helps to have this kind of subreddit.
1 Makemewantitbad 2018-01-21
I was doing some research on the pineal gland recently. Super interesting stuff. Many consider it to be a "third eye" of some sort, and the flouride in our water supplies calcifies the pineal gland and essentially makes it useless. If anyone has more information on this II'd love to hear.
1 Jackfknfrost 2018-01-21
So what when prisoners go into dark isolation in a few days they're just having a jolly old trip ?
1 LeaveWuTangAlone 2018-01-21
In honor of all that is petty...
“Last word.”
1 elephuntus 2018-01-21
What does this stand for?