Someone mentioned awhile back that the (((this shit))) refers to TPTB, not jews.

Me too, and there was that stormfront chrome extension that targeted jews in the same way. I would like to see if it was possible to take it back to its roots though. I doubt that will be possible.

Someone was wrong about that.

No, they were not. This was appropriated by the antisemites.

My agenda? What in the world do you mean by that? There is an alt-right blogger who claims the invention of the "echoes". If there is some usage of them that predates that I've not ever encountered it.

Antisemitism!

“It’s a trick, we always use it!”

You are using the exact same Jewish tricks outlined by that Israeli Minister!

what about the other comments and posts? What about the endless posts portraying (((them))) as greedy devils, or murderous rapists, or even a subhuman species?

Citations needed, else this is just a massive concern troll begging for Rule 1 to be extended to cover a facet of conspiracy that makes you personally uncomfortable.

Your incredulity regarding a conspiracy where there were ”thousands of eyewitnesses” reveals that you’re either extremely biased or that you don’t possess the frame of mind to comprehend how conspiracies work.

I'm discouraged by your response to this guy. It's starting to feel like you may have motives that are not pure.

Would answer two questions, please?

1- Do you think being Jewish is a RELIGIOUS or CULTURAL identity?

2- Can you speak to the Ashkanazi vs. Sephardic Jews question?

OK. So now we've got some distinguishing characteristics. IF both my Jewish bosses were telling me the truth, it would suggest there is a CULTURAL conflict inside a RELIGIOUS group.

The Sephardic side of the equation want to assimilate into the cultures it joins. The Ashkanazi want to rule. That's how it seems to me, with the full awareness that of course there are decent, fair-minded, even handed human beings of Ashkanazi descent.

This disgusting sub has always hated jews lol

I'm stating a fact you dumb fuck, not talking shit. This disgusting sub has always hated jews which was why I said fuck it and bailed out of here back in late 2013. On a whim I decided to take a visit here today, first time in years, and I see your post. Get used to the racist shit around here if you plan on staying. this sub is cancer.

So much hostility

Ok

Reddit has had a stormfront problem since day one. And they don't like being ignored and they are very good at whipping up young gaming boys on this forum. The gaming boys are isolated and clueless and get sucked into he stormfront nonsense.

That is what you are up against with the ((())) crap.

I was with you up until the holocaust remark. Questioning various aspects of the holocaust and WWII does not make one "anti-Semitic".

That said, the "users" who are posting the very things you've mentioned are most likely trolls and shills, doing it on purpose, whether to dissuade new people from coming here, or to get xposted to subs like TMOR, so they can circle jerk each other off about how "racist and anti-Semitic" conspiracy theorists are, in order to justify their world view... They are some very deranged and mentally ill people.

But if one must do it please let it be from an acedemic standpoint.

When people do, they still get called anti-Semitic. That's the problem. Hell, it's even illegal in many European countries, to do so... That right there, should be a major red flag.

I have a (((red flag))).

Look into David Cole.

well sure, because of its heavy history.

however im sure that in an academic background, if you have proof to back your shit up and not have a history of racism/anti-semitism, you wont be called so.

on the other hand, ive never seen someone not-racist question the holocaust, outside of an academic background. smart people avoid it, as they know its a sensitive subject and theres ultimately very little to gain from it. on the other hand, as a racist, you can go around your tail with bullshit paranthesis and achronyms like jq all you want or saying you dont mean all the jews, the truth still becomes obvious ultimately.

races act as hiveminds. your collective inability to accept any responsibility, and exploitation of the victim complex are not a good combo.

perhaps you should remind yourself of the origin of the "k" word. there has been a slow a constant push to throw your values onto other cultures, and your collective insistence that it is the "right" way, while manipulating (((science))) to support your views, has not gone unnoticed.

the fact that you have systematically manipulated people to spread also does not bode well. Instead of continued victimization, perhaps you should do more extensive research into the claims of the "goy", and then maybe you will come to realize what we all have, this implicit segregation is no different than any other "divisive" tool. So while you all champion connectedness and unity, you do so only under your own beliefs.

But I'm sure you have never once considered this.

(((MerchantOfSargoth)))

I'm not sure why you feel as though I have made an unreasonable assumption. But perhaps that was the point of this misdirection.

Regardless, it is somewhat concerning you feel the need to defend something that you do not completely understand. It is also clear you intended to make a "feel-good/I'm a good person" statement and not have a conversation, despite the rather shallow depth of your comments.

And what don't I understand? Please enlighen me.

have you learned hebrew and read the torah? it is a lot different lol

There is nothing "feel-good" about this. It's a vile cancer and speaks volumes of ones common sense and moral character.

I doubt you would know anything about common sense or morals.

I'm not Jewish, my dude.

Oh, gee, lemme go out on a limb here. You're an atheist?

What does ((( ))) mean?

Hmmm, I've seen it in posts that weren't about Jews. Odd.

It's a means of stating a fact, regardless of your interpretation, without being utterly direct about it because you have an urge to allow your brain to spasm when it hears something that hasn't been fed before: Truth.

The way I understand it, generally it means a certain sort of person similarly associated with TPTB. The assumed controllers of the vast amounts of wealth and weavers of the financial web that spans the globe are the Rothschilds and their ilk. To add, the way I understand it, this would also include Israel, as per the Balfour Declaration and events leading up to WW1 ( of course there is much more to understand prior to this ) and their goals for a Greater Israel, fomenting plans that have supposedly been laid out for more than a century. The problem lies more in who is actually occupying Israel than simply "Jews". They are Judaic in their belief and their way of life following Kabbalah and not even close to the Roman Empire version of Christianity that supposedly intertwines both religions. When taken in that light there is a clear distinction between two worlds (peoples/fundamentals/perceptions) that are vehemently opposed to each other.

I could go on. Suffice to say it's neither and it's both. Most use the parenthesis to either state the context without saying it directly, history as some know it as they've dug down the rabbit hole like myself, while some use it to be divisive.

Jews, Muslims, and Christianity has survived and thrived for centuries, millennia, in the cradle of civilization to no I'll effect; (((They))) aren't who they are pretending to be. (((They))) are TPTB because no one disputes it. It's a wonderful story to claim as their own, but it's a lie.

I only claim to know what others have researched and presented their findings along with what I have researched and can present. I know nothing except my own experiences. My experience tells me there is a grand scheme that has been happening long before I "woke up" around the age of 5 or 6. My first book report in school grade 1 was in J.D. Rockefeller. Couldn't tell you why it was him that I chose. That scheme is something no one has direct control over; certainly no one I've met. I've met billionaires and politicians. I've met bums and off gridders. They, like everyone, find a niche that fits them. Some struggle and fade. Some accept what is and thrive. Some move up and some move down. In the end there is only one choice, and that is whatever you want it to be.

Most of what you see around these parts anymore is a game of ebb and flow. I've paid visits to this sub for many years. It only got bad after Obama legalized propaganda. Those who are left and who seem to find themselves here from never before are quickly stifled between bigotry, ignorance, lies, and a sliver of truth. Salt is good for you, so I'll say take what you see with a grain of sand. Course, gritty, and unpleasant. So take in what makes the most logical sense in the discourse of nonsense and have a happy life.

I guess I show my age by saying that I thought (until recently obviously) that it was a hug....but that all changed I suppose.

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I've had two Jewish bosses who spoke with me quite frankly about how Jews see each other and how they see non-Jews. One was drunk at the time, the other was a guy who just couldn't keep his mouth shut and was an inveterate gossip, whether the subject was business, who was sleeping with who, religion, or pretty much anything, really.

The conversations came about a decade apart and in different parts of the country. It's led me to believe there is a Civil War raging among the Jews. One side, I think, hates non-Jews much more than the other.

The Civil War appears to be between the Ashkenazic Jews and Sephardic Jews. The Ashkenazic Jews, one of my bosses told me "are killers." Of course, he was Sephardic, so take that as you will. He also said the war was between "thinking, intellectual Jews" and "Warlike Jews." Again, he was the "thinking, intellectual" Jew.

To emphasize: This is just what I've been told, these are not my own words. But it has colored my thinking since.

This boss also told me that there are certainly a lot of Jews who hate Christians. He flat out told me that. He actually told me to look up the origin of the word "Kike." I did that, and a little more digging and I found out a couple things that I didn't like reading.

For example: Did you know there is no "Plus sign" as we know it in Israeli math books? They think it looks too much like a cross, apparently. They use an inverted "T," called the "Up Tack."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs

I also learned the ugly slur "Kike" comes from immigrant Jews refusing to use an "X" on their entry to Ellis Island, because they thought it looked too much like a cross, which they refused to acknowledge. So they used a circle instead. They Yiddish word for circle was shortened to "Kike" as a term of contempt in response to the Jewish refusal to use make an "X."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

Al Goldstein, the notorious pornographer, once said Jews were behind the porn business because "We think Christ sucks." But he also said, when asked what it means to be a Jew, "It doesn't mean shit. It means that I'm called a kike." When asked about God, Goldstein said "I believe in me. I'm God. Fuck God. God is your need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God, admit it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Goldstein

So I'm not sure we're even talking about "Jews" at that point. Is being Jewish a RELIGIOUS thing or a CULTURAL thing? Do both the RELIGIOUS, observant Jews and the CULTURAL Jews hate everybody else? I don't know, but I don't think so. I hope not.

I hate to make the cliched comment that "Some of my best friends are Jews," but it's actually a fact. I'm a Christian, but the best man in my wedding was Jewish. I've worked for several Jews and there have been honorable men who paid me well and there have been greedy liars. I have met incredibly wise and spiritually in-tune Jews who have helped me on my personal journey. I have met deeply cynical atheistic Jews who were only in it for the money.

It's an incredibly complex issue, but I also feel it's one of the most important ones facing our country and the world. I don't think the Jews are at the root of all evil, but I think the complexity of their place in the world and the spiritual/secular and religious/cultural intricacies deserve more discussion.

But it doesn't happen because whenever anybody approaches it, the reflexive response is to shout "Anti-Semitism!" And the shouting isn't always wrong.

But that's not my intent. My intent is to give you some heavily shaded grey area to this subject. It ain't easy.

I think the Religion/Cultural question makes it "special."

Also, did anybody else coming into Ellis Island refuse to make an "X"? Does any other country refuse to use a plus sign? Not that I'm aware of.

I'm just telling what I've heard from other, highly successful Jews. They were the ones who told me some segments of their religion/culture resent Christians.

I generally enjoy the company of Jews because they are smart, funny, make money and like baseball.

But I can't not notice that the vast majority of TV networks, movie studios, news outlets, social media and tech companies are run by Jews, and I'm not too crazy about the job any of them are doing. Any thoughts on that?

Here's an explanation of Ashkanazi vs. Sephardic Jews.

http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm

As far as the media conspiracy goes

It's not a conspiracy. It's a fact.

just look at how many politicians in America and Europe are Christians. Do you see many people suggesting there is a Christian conspiracy to control the government?

America is 75% Christian, so it would be expected that the majority of politicians would be as well. But also at least half of the media conglomerates, wouldn't you think?

America is 2.2% Jewish. So it would be expected that.....well, less than 5 of the 6 major media conglomerates would be run by Jews (all six if you consider Rupert Murdoch, whose mother is Jewish, Jewish as well). 5% of Congress is Jewish, which is about right in line.

I can only speak to the movie business on that front.

Thomas Edison and others on the East Coast were involved in the early movie business. They would not employ Jews, so the Jews went west and started their own movie studios.

Then Edison and others' studios on the East Coast burned down. The West Coast took over the movie business and never looked back.

The news business, however, is a different story. Most of the early news media oligarchs---Pulitzer, Hearst, Greeley, Raymond, etc.--were not Jewish.

I enjoyed the enlightened, intelligent and civilized exchange you had with /u/MerchantOfSargoth. So, many thanks to both of you for this.

I will simply add this: this discussion doesn’t date back to the 20th century, or even the 19th. It’s much older than that. Here is an example from the 18th century.

To appreciate this link, one must first be reminded the luminary Voltaire was, and the masterpiece his Dictionnaire Philosophique represents. Indeed it is unquestionably his magnum opus. Also, realize this chapter is absent from most modern editions, including in French. Still, few serious people dare call Voltaire “antisemitic”, as that would likely prove counter-productive, rehabilitating that word instead of dissuading anyone from consulting his work.

Of course most Jews are good people. Saying “men are taller than women” is not sexist, nor does it imply any given man is necessarily taller than any given woman. Similarly, one can recognize certsin cultural traits without that equating with hate, or a call to democide; if neo-Nazis want to exploit certain truths to advance their nefarious agendas, that they’re problem, and it shouldn’t prevent others from engaging in civilized discourse.

Thanks for the link. Saved and added to my list of things to read. Voltaire was a brilliant guy, no doubt.

But also at least half of the media conglomerates

More like 90% since WW2.

I don't think there's a massive conspiracy involving every single Jew on the planet. However I do think Jews are very tribal and very nepotistic people. I think they will always put Jewish interests over the interests of their nation. I'm speaking in broad terms here, not every single individual Jew. I think it's quite clear that Jews have a lot of institutional power. I don't think that's deniable. Because of their massive influence in the media that will reflect how they view society and how they want things to work. Also they have massive influence in the banking industry, the same banking industry that finances massive wars and wrecks the lives of millions. Jews also have a lot of political power that explains why Netanyahu gets like 30 standing ovations in front of Congress as he encourages the United States citizens to send their sons and daughters to fight wars overseas.

As for the Holocaust I think there's ample amounts of evidence to show it didn't really happen. First of all I think this is the most damming evidence but there were probably hundreds of articles written well before Hitler came to power detailing how 6 million Jews were starving or 6 million Jews were dying. You can find that information easily. About the Nuremberg Trials I think you should look up what Historian David Irving has to say about this. It's quite evident that the Germans who spoke at the trials were brutally tortured and forced to say what the USA Britain Soviets wanted them to. Also there may be thousands of eyewitnesses but no Holocaust Denier I know doubts that people in the camps had it rough. Supply lines to the camps were cut off so many of the prisoners were starving and were suffering, it's just the existence of gas chambers that is questionable.

I could go on all day with this but I hope I answered your question. I consider myself Alt-Right, but I hate no one, I want nobody to suffer or die. I just have my criticisms of Israel because of their support for the Yinon Plan and the Kalergi Plan, I think it's just harmful for whites to accept so much Jewish influence. Jews have been persecuted a lot by Europeans throughout history, that is true but people hardly look at the other side of the coin. I think it's best if we separate, our races, our cultures are incompatible over the long run I think it's best we separate and I don't want things to get violent or bad. But it is kind of scary how Israel always has the Samson option in their back pocket

David Irving is not a historian by any stretch of the imagination. He has been widely discredited, as well as being sued & charged with crimes in multiple countries. He is known to have falsified documents to fit his (again widely known) racist, antisemitic narrative.

"discredited" because they don't like what his information said. He went against the official story and was lambasted for it. We are all aware of "what he did".

Here's the deal. (((they))) do that all the time. ;)

No. He literally, actually falsified documents. Feel free to provide me any real document you might know of to back his claims. Any of his claims.

How about thinking of it like this: until the falsified documents incident he had been simply hated by the Zionists. And it wasn't until he made that erroer that they could do anything to stop him or silence him.

"they" LOVE to discredit people. It's their number one strategy. Closely followed by the perpetual victim card, strawman fallacies, red herrings, and blame game/shifting.

The truth fears no investigation and we should be willing to accept what the evidence.

News flash: the evidence doesn't/won't teach us what they want us to believe. And so it is decried and it's sources are "discredited".

A tale as old as time bud.

Did you know Jewish academics are perfectly free to debate whether Hitler (and top-Nazi brass) ever ordered, or even wanted the Holocaust? That it might has happened “spontaneously”, out of the coincidental initiative of low-level bureaucrats?

See this.

The debate is made possible by the fact no order, plan or budget was ever found for the Holocaust; and by the fact much of the evidence admitted in Nuremberg has since then been discredited as Soviet wartime propaganda; the fact the Zionist Federation of Germany made a deal with Hitler in 1933, which greatly helped rebuild Germany’s war industry, also throws a wrench in the orthodoxy taught in primary schools worldwide.

If you didn’t know this, feel free to post a TIL.

You misunderstand entirely.

The issue with David Irving is that he interviewed a large vast number of the surviving Nazi hierarchy, and he found and accessed original documents of the Nazi war effort.

He was the only one to do this. Writing

Feel free to provide me any real document you might know of to back his claims.

shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. Such is the public.

the jew-bashing is overly simplistic. it's like the truth is in our face and people just can't admit it. it's no secret who has been running europe for centuries. always the same people. same with america, only the timelines are shorter. it's not changed. same group. it's not the jews. it's the group that codifies its advantages and uses the military to enforce it. it's never been a secret. the jews are a scapegoat. it didn't help that set of russian jews became their bankers and have, for this role they've taken on, also taken on the role of fallguy, complete with their own state to lead the world in human rights abuses. but it's just a convenient excuse. the truth is who runs the west has always been the same people. it ain't the jews. (they haven't helped themselves, but that's another story on its own.)

all the groups who run the countries. papacy, church, venetian black nobility, european elite, aristocracy, queen of england. that crowd. the jews enter the picture a little bit because england/scotland are jewish states and always have been, and the freemasons are a judaic-influenced club where the dirty is planned (and they also have time-travel which makes taking down their set a bit more challenging. not impossible, just more challenging).

Oy vey

Bigoted slurs are not tolerated. This is to say, we do not tolerate the opinions of hate. We don't want to see transparency. We don't want to know the truth. We rather you stay silent and not speak your mind. WE don't have a counter arguement to your views. So we must silent you. This is what it means to have rules. That limit speech. This is what we get, they are always ever expanding never decreasing. But what does it accomplish?

It hides teh truth. You don't want to believe people hold those views. We can't see them so they can't be true.

We can't come up with a better argument than theirs so we have to silence it.

Don't speak up, stay hidden. Don't speak your mind unless you conform.

WE do not tolerate opinion here.

It's not all Jews dummy. The little old lady down the street isn't in the fucking club.

It's just the top Jews who are ultra Zionists.

If you believe in such a thing as "the powers that be" and you don't think that a super religiously and racially elite/elect group of individuals ARE the powers that be....., Then who is? Lol.

It could be several factions vying for power sure. And I promise you that Zionists are one of those factions. It's not antisemitism in the way you think.

It's anti elite asshole, "racially superior," and "Gods chosen ones" movement.

Remove head from ass and stop lumping anti zionism in with random skinhead dorks who "hate Dem Jews".

The way you typed your OP sure made you sound like you like you might be a Jew expert.

Now that you know there is a disconnect between the little old Jew granny down the street and the ultrw rich powerful bankers and media owners, your fears of "racism" are quelled right?

BTW Jewish isn't a race.

What's coming doesn't give a hot goddamn what you are.

At what point does blaming (((them))) for anything and everything

That is a po-faced lie. What led you to be of such a dishonest type?

If you want to see who is the source of "being lied to, manipulated" then just look in the mirror.

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(((MerchantOfSargoth)))

I'm not sure why you feel as though I have made an unreasonable assumption. But perhaps that was the point of this misdirection.

Regardless, it is somewhat concerning you feel the need to defend something that you do not completely understand. It is also clear you intended to make a "feel-good/I'm a good person" statement and not have a conversation, despite the rather shallow depth of your comments.

The way I understand it, generally it means a certain sort of person similarly associated with TPTB. The assumed controllers of the vast amounts of wealth and weavers of the financial web that spans the globe are the Rothschilds and their ilk. To add, the way I understand it, this would also include Israel, as per the Balfour Declaration and events leading up to WW1 ( of course there is much more to understand prior to this ) and their goals for a Greater Israel, fomenting plans that have supposedly been laid out for more than a century. The problem lies more in who is actually occupying Israel than simply "Jews". They are Judaic in their belief and their way of life following Kabbalah and not even close to the Roman Empire version of Christianity that supposedly intertwines both religions. When taken in that light there is a clear distinction between two worlds (peoples/fundamentals/perceptions) that are vehemently opposed to each other.

I could go on. Suffice to say it's neither and it's both. Most use the parenthesis to either state the context without saying it directly, history as some know it as they've dug down the rabbit hole like myself, while some use it to be divisive.

Jews, Muslims, and Christianity has survived and thrived for centuries, millennia, in the cradle of civilization to no I'll effect; (((They))) aren't who they are pretending to be. (((They))) are TPTB because no one disputes it. It's a wonderful story to claim as their own, but it's a lie.

I'm not Jewish, my dude.

Oh, gee, lemme go out on a limb here. You're an atheist?