Can you cite a pedophile in congress or hollywood or the financial elite that commited a similar volume of crimes and recieved a sentence of only 5 years?

Dude your’re breaking his sweeping generalization. Not very nice.

Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Weinstein_sexual_abuse_allegations

^{HelperBot v1.1 /r/HelperBot_ I am a bot. Please message /u/swim1929 with any feedback and/or hate. Counter: 141274}

Weinstein has not been convicted yet, also the women are not minors. Jeff epstien has only been convicted of soliciting sex from 1 minor. Mark Foley charged of having laised with 2 underaged boys, was not convicted.

Im not defending anyone, all of these men should be in jail. My point was that the sheer volume of victims in the Olymics coachs case is why he will get such a long sentence. More than 160 girls have accused him of assaulting them, thats the difference.

Yes of course theres always been two judicial systems, one for the rich and one for the poor but you’re not arguing with facts, and the elites you referenced have not been accused of anywhere near a similar amount of crimes.

Where are you getting your info on the Congressional page scandal? I cant find a source that cites there were that many victims.

The other two people you mention, i will say again did not have 150+ women testify in court against them. That is the difference. Im not defending them, stop accusing me of it, im just basing my argument on avaliable facts and not my emotions and word of mouth without proof.

You keep talking about "hundreds of girls" but where are they? There aren't hundreds of victims coming forward in those situations but in the case of Larry Nassar there are literally hundreds of girls that have accused him. How do you not understand the difference?

And you don't seem to get that nobody is defending them, or even really disagreeing with your premise. They're just pointing out that your example was terrible because in this case there is a clear reason why Nassar got such a harsh sentence.

That article is about one person accusing him, which I never denied or tried to defend him in any way for, so I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

And you don't seem to get that nobody is defending them, or even really disagreeing with your premise. They're just pointing out that your example was terrible because in this case there is a clear reason why Nassar got such a harsh sentence.

This. Dumb gonna dumb.

Actually Jimmy saville got away with it in the end cos he died. Sad thing is everyone was ignored until he died. Unfortunately, having worked in child protection, I know this isn’t just famous people anyway. Sexual exploitation and abuse is common amongst all classes and all walks of life...not nice I know

And also how many of Weinsteins accusers didn't consent?

The word you're missing is convicted. He's probably raped a lot of people and deserves a lot of time (life + decades) but he hasn't been convicted yet. It's not a fair comparison.

Has he been charged?

A great rational response, I salute you friend and agree

Actually your wrong. Nasser was convicted of molesting only a handful of girls. The rest testified only in connection with sentencing. They could say whatever they wanted. Nothing had to be proved. Epstein was far worse. You miss the point that people like Epstein are not seriously prosecuted notwithstanding the extraordinary amount of victims and evidence. To say he was never convicted is nonsensical. He wasn’t convicted because he wasn’t prosecuted for virtually all of the allegations against him.

You answered your own question a million times in this thread. He has been accused. This doctor plead guilty to a series of abuse throughout decades. If Harvey is convicted of anything then you can make a comparison.

Where are these hundreds of girls? Do you not see the difference between to two situations? One has 160 victims testifying. One has how many? Do you not understand how that changes things? Do you not realize that Weinstein hadn't even been convicted of anything but one count?

Dennis Hastert.

Right? He served just a little over a year for four victims iirc?

He never want to jail for his victims at all. He was in prison because of the financial crimes he committed while paying off his victims.

Dennis Hastert was charged with a financial crime. The statute of limitations on his molestation had expired, but he received the maximum sentence based on his misconduct coming to light. So not necessarily the best example.

What is your retainer?

Removed. Rule 10.

Biggest cunt I've ever personally met. His Secret Service guy with the Hawaiian shirt and long curly hair agrees. He was such an over the top pious, look down on the mob shit heel. I've never had a human audibly hiss at me other than him.

http://anonhq.com/sc-johnson-billionaire-gets-4-months-sexually-assaulting-12-year-old/

David Epstein

Not to say you don't have a point, but Dr. Slippery Fingers had over 100 victims that were actually served and ready to testify. In addition he was in a position of trust, which is always going to bump you a ways on the ol' scoring guidelines.

Ok then i would say the difference is Nassar was charged and most of his victims were served and ready to testify.

Accusations /= provable facts. More than 100 women actually gave court statements against Nassar this week. It's been in the news. The same didn't happen with any of the other names you've mentioned.

Ding ding ding

I can't believe I haven't see this username before.

You are unbelievable with that lol

Fucking (((Jew$$$))) am I right?

It's 3 parentheses for the scary Jewish folk, right?

Y'all idiots really need to spend the money for a decent web admin if you're serious about tricking the kids into joining your nonsense. I could do better than that in 45 minutes and a six pack.

That's not an offer by the way. I like that your circle jerk is complete garbage.

Just a normal dude that knows how websites work. You're crazy response let's me know I'm right though so thanks I guess. It's weird that we're the same species.

We're good either way brother. I'll pray that you'll get out of your cult soon and see the world is beautiful once you step outside of your false God's shadow.

You're not fooling anyone that has their eyes open jackass. It'll never be that simple.

I've been here long before you were born or turned on, depending on what you actually are.

I think I broke it

"pray you'll get out of your cult"

Motherfucker, you're in a cult. Praying to a fake ass god.

?

Christianity = cult

Not too complicated

Who mentioned Christianity?

You say that as if that's a bad thing

Your website IS shit and DOES have broken links all over it. It's also a load of horse shit just like your comments

What are you saying

Did you go to that site and click around? I know you didn't because you made this post

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Why the downvotes?

That is exactly what happened: it's a conspiracy, and you - the person reading this - is not supposed to know that it happened.

Actually, given that a lot of this is harassment-level -- an accusation corroborated is provable fact under the law.

You confuse "innocent until proven guilty" with laws under which that does not apply.

It's all in the (((Stein)))

Nassar has some parentheses in his name too, though

Touché

Well yeah, those guys have tons of money and probably good connections. At the end of today's hearing Nassar's lawyers said "He has no money your honor.." and that changes everything in our judicial system. The difference between a life sentence and 2 years suspended for the same crime has 100% everything to do with money. Also see: OJ Simpson.

You have absolutely no proof that Weinstein was buying and selling young girls so stop pretending that you do.

Fuck off dude, learn to have a conversation. Not everybody with an opposing view is a shill.

He didn't say that. Take your own advice and learn how to have a conversation.

He accused me of being JIDF, a Jewish internet shill group. Wtf are you even saying.

His exact words were:

Keep protecting pedophiles thats cool...

Here ya go..

http://www.thejidf.org/

I see no accusation.

You clearly are retarded. So I'm moving on.

Well, the accusation is the protection of pedophiles -- so there IS an accusation -- he then gives the link to the website separately.

I never said he was innocent. I said there's no proof that he was buying and selling little girls.

Are you capable of typing out a coherent sentence that provides a claim followed by supporting facts and documents?

They have to. Otherwise, there's no entertainment industry left!

Removed. Rule 10.

Regardless. The amount of victims that have accused him of “pressured situations” speaks to itself. What skin in the game do you have that inspires you to protect him?

Holy shit, dude. In no way am I "protecting" him. You made a false claim, and I refuted it. Weinstein is a piece of human garbage and I hope he's murdered in prison. But you are spreading false information and I hate when people do that so I called you out on it.

When it's their political opponents accusations, codewords, and 4d chess moves is perfectly suitable for accusing and attaining guilt. When it's their guy in the white house who runs in the same circles they need air tight proof and sources. Theit bias to their political team is pathetic. They don't belong here.

Why the downvotes?

Fuck the shills

Mossad helped Harvey Weinstein to harass victims and he gets away scot-free ... Why?

Henry Ford got the answer ...

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there will be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYPzKNQUE0

DING!

What this nation just found out is how Mary Lou Retton and the like were selected over other similarly qualified American girls.

The odds this hasn't been going on for decades before Nassar is just about zero.

I don't disagree -- but this is another to be thrown to the wolves so that the system can continue.

They need to abolish the US Olympic Gymnastics program (while allowing a system for the athletes to compete). That's just on this.

Imagine what would need to be done with the other entities in this situation -- you're talking the end of all entertainment as you know it in this culture.

Keep that in mind. They're trying to keep some status quo alive.

A representative is not in a position of trust?

The police is not in a position of trust?

Now get real, it is your status and profession that mainly decides your sentence.

Doctors have some of the highest status in society. Especially a doctor for the Olympic team. Your argument doesn't hold water

No, they don't. Or else your culture is very much different from most of the world.

I didn't write the law. And yes your position does matter. The fact that it was a doctor makes the crime particularly heinous. If a doctor says : hey I'm going to need to stick my finger in your ass you are a lot more likely to allow them to do it than if your senator says the same. A doctor id's a positron that requires the most trust because almost every action a doctor takes constitutes assault of not fire your consent.

Scapegoats

As an MSU alum, we get to pay for his damages with our basketball-only usage won't be paying for it, none of the people that received reports of his abuse and helped cover it up will be donations for "academics" more than likely going into the $10m victims fund that the school created. Not to say the victims don't deserve compensation, because these are very traumatic events, but he won't be paying for it, the well-compensated board of directors and President won't be paying for it, the athletics department that gobbles up millions of dollars for football and paying for it. We will be.

Well considering he molested over 100 girls for years, I would say that someone needs to put some checks and balance into place to stop it from happening again. And let's be honest, the only way people will affect change is if you hit them where it hurts... $$$.

I agree, the entire system failed these girls and it propagated into an exponential cycle of abuse. But it's the executives at the top and him that need to be paying for this, not the students and alumni. We played no role in this. It's like when a cop murders a citizen, and the city settles the lawsuit with the victim's family with taxpayer money.

Yeah, we're definitely on the same page, but I don't have a good answer.

It's like when a cop gets sued and the city has to pay out the lawsuit.

On the one hand my tax money shouldn't subsidize the behavior of bad cops. On the other hand, the street cop who kills an unarmed man probably won't ever be able to pay the (let's say $3 million) in restitution the victim's family is entitled to.

So what now? If you force the former cop to pay, the family never sees a dime, and the city and police force don't have much of an incentive to change.

If you fine the department, now the city is stuck with the bill, but given that the local government is comprised of elected officials, there's the potential for accountability, despite the fact that that doesn't seem to happen very much in practice.

Ultimately, there needs to be enough of a financial incentive to affect change, and in today's world that penalty needs to be quite high, otherwise some corporation will just let things happen once they realize the cost to settle a lawsuit is less than the cost to retrain their staff and change their corporate culture.

Fucked all around!

Agreed, my man.

When 150 witnesses all show up to testify, you're going away for a looong time.

When 150 witnesses all show up to testify, you're going away for a looong time.

Unless you are Killary KKKlinton.

Email ? There are no Emails........anymore, that is !

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ

Bad bot

Be patient. Killary may have one of those heart attacks to save everyone the trouble of a trial. The LAST thing the deep state elites want is Killary on trial.

this post is fucking retarded not you the OP . We got a pedophile in the white house free as a bird.

I assume you have proof of that?

well if we're basing it off accusations he molested and raped a 13 year old

A dropped anonymous accusation isn’t even close to proof.

you're totally right, but when theres 20 accusers it begins to be a pattern and the burden of proof is relinquished to an extent dont cha think?

No.

Harassment law, at the least, would say otherwise.

What are you talking about? Harassment is continuing to contact someone after they've told you to not contact them what does that have to do with diddling a kid?

It's the same type of situation -- and, especially how people view diddling a kid (it's one of the few crimes even hard criminals won't tolerate!), you can end up in the same type of situation.

When I was in jail, the other inmates didn't wait for a court declaration to beat the shit out of a proposed child molester. (I wasn't around to find out if he was convicted.)

Why would we base such serious matters on an unfounded accusation?

Speaker of the house was a pedo. Bill certainly is. It's not a real stretch.

I'd be interested to see if this account of Trump's behavior is legitimate -- I"d believe it is:

https://twitter.com/KarenWasylowski/status/891398166091882496

Twitter doesn't let me see that...

It's a supposed court deposition that indicates a 12 year-old model at one of his agencies was forced to perform sex on hm and then abused afterward.

Some would say THIS Epstien case is fake. Or, they'll probably just ignore it. With all this talk about Peds, you'd think someone would care.

I begin to wonder sometimes how many parents actually do this shit to their girls...

I think lots of teens get into mischief, but hanging out with old dudes in a non Lobowski way is strange.

The problem is that I begin to wonder how truly normalized this stuff actually is, and no one wants to come out and admit it if it's the case.

They don't want to die. Hell, even Epstien's judge probably received a death treat, but I fear he was just another cog. Even if some only want to focus on Hollywood, or a couple of politicians, the victims are EVERYWHERE, so the fight is too.

Lobowski?

Edit: Lebowski. Like the movie.

As for the parents.... Some people are parents. Some folks just have kids.

I think we are badly leaning to the latter.

I've been trying to spread the rumor of "Little Kid A.I.D.S." , to slow down there progress. Help out, and the word.

You don’t wanna know the types of fucked up things parents will let happen :/

No, I don't.

It doesn't change, however, that's what I believe is going on.

This is /r/conspiracy. Since when is proof needed? 90% of the people in here think a child sex ring is being run out of the basement of a pizza parlor that doesn’t have a basement because someone anonymously posted on 4chan that pizza=young boys or something.

Bullshit. Proof, evidence, facts, research, or anything besides randomly calling people pedophiles would be helpful. What is the point if I can just make anything I want up.

I’m with you 100%. I just think this might be the wrong sub for that attitude.

Definitely not 90%, my dude. This divisive rhetoric helps nothing.

You may be right. I should dial that back. But “proof” is still a sketchy issue in here and pizzagate in particular, if we are talking about unproven child rape theories, is extremely popular. It’s interesting that with one public figure, it’s accepted so readily and with another, hard proof is demanded.

Here's the thing. People have preconceived boas for or against someone. It makes them.more likely to believe something with less evidence. It's basic human nature. I'm sure there's something you believe that is a little shy on evidence most people have something like that. Cheese pizza really is a code used by pedos all over the country if not the world. There's been court documents filed. It's literally appeared on this sub a few times.

I don't think there's a pedo ring run out of a pizza basement id think that would be in a more controlled area like podesta's weird screening room.

I don't really buy into it that much because to me there's not really anything more than circumstantial and it's weak. But I at least understand it.

I can agree with that. There could be some more generalized skepticism rather than targeted skepticism.

Uhh it's a joke because of the false flag pizza parlor story to get debunked. Cheese pizza is a known child cat call.

Oh did you interview them to confirm?

IKR. Literally 90% of the bullshit conspiracies on here have no evidence to prove it- and actually have evidence to the contrary. Since when is proof a prerequisite omegalul

To play devil's advocate, Alefantis did mention he stored tomatos in the basement in 2015.

It’s been used before as a code word http://archive.is/7Gd69

That’s “Cheese Pizza” which interestingly enough does not appear a single time in the leaked Podesta emails everyone likes to reference as proof.

Yeah with other cases pedos get more years even if they are elite. Weiner had like one or 2 counts (not rape) and Hasterts rapes we're barred due to statute of limitations...

But we should definitely eliminate statute of limitations for child rape

what if they do that and then I just dox you and say you raped me as a 3 year old 40 years ago?

Weinstein... Cosby... the fucking priests...

And I think Coke, or one of the massive sponsors, dropped them until they get their act cleaned up and prove they have a safe training environment.

We don't have a justice system...we have a legal system. The legal system cares not about justice, only about abiding by the laws, which may or not be just (and in most cases are not).

"Isn't if funny that" situation A, a grab bag of non-specific allegations against non-specific people, "get less than 5 years while" a pedophile duly convicted in a court of law with over 100 accusers "gets 175 years?" A terrible comparison, "ladies and gentlemen!"

Oh, is that why your OP says "Dennis Hastert" in the title? Or why you've been posting so much about Weinstein? Or why your OP cited no specific examples of anything?

Are you retarded?

says the guy who doesnt understand how the 2 examples he provided are not really comparable given the circumstances.

im not disputing that others might be getting away with shit, nobody here is. What the issue is in what you put forward is that 1 was a doctor in a special position of trust (well above Weinstein in standing) abused it some 150 times, had people testify and pleaded guilty. On the other hand you have weinstein with a handful of people coming forward and him not pleading guilty as he intends to fight it in court. He'll get his time but there is a profound difference between the two as far as legal grounds are concerned. Obviously you are not in any way affiliated with the legal profession or even a very good understanding of how courts work otherwise you wouldn't be doubling down on stupid.

only if he gets charged and convicted of enough offences. Killing 2 people might net you 1 life sentence, killing 20 people will get you 1000 years in prison. If 150 people come forward and weinstein admits guilt and doesnt get 100 years, then i'll agree. Thats how sentencing goes.

what the fuck are you talking about, sentencing is based on circumstances, there is no black and white which is why judges have flexibility. You also need to take into account quality of evidence, cooperative defendents etc. You are implying I think a certain way because i disagree with you by posing this question rather than that I think you dont understand the legal system very well, and would like everything to be cut and dry, which it isnt.

Nda doesn't stop people from disclosing a crime. As a matter of fact laws covering nda specifies that.

Simple, we execute all pedophiles.

I'll also add the onus is on the victims to get these people put away. The more victims come forward, the more evidence against these evil fucks. Victims must come forward and pedophiles must be executed.

Or the heir to Dupont who raped his 3 yr old daughter repeatedly, then got not time because the judge felt that prison wouldn't be a good environment for him.

He wasn't a freemason like the other perps and their judges

Upvote by 10000. That was solely to prove they are “harsh” on pedo’s

The coach is an MSM distraction from the global pedo ring. The narrative becomes this schmucks story instead of the pure evil of the satanic child sex trafficking that the MSM has been order to not speak of...example Ben Swann after he dared to talk about PizzaGate on national TV.

As others have pointed out, this equivalency really doesn't make sense.

Personally, I think the more realistic (and actually related) topic we should discuss now is who else in Michigan needs to go to jail for knowing about this. The president is now being asked to step down, but that's really not enough if she knew this guy was molesting girls and let it go one for years.

people in this thread are defending him

Who is defending him? Can you link me to a single comment that's defending him?

People pointing out the error in your title or disagreeing with you doesn't mean they're defending sexual abusers.

This dude is srsly stupid as fuck and not worth anybodys time.

He cannot distinguish between the logical and his theory/bad examples. Sure rich pedos get better treatment but an open and shut case like Nassar with provable crimes and an admission suggest the OP lacks critical thinking.

Yup and one of the key differences is nassar had a load of cp as well that helped give the victims statements credibility and the entire prosecution, lead investigator and judge were all women. I bed the judge felt good last night when she went to sleep. She probably cried a few times for those victims but she at least knows she's served a healthy serving of justice

It's absurd for him to have gotten the sentence he did; those 100 victims were NOT cross-examined to my knowledge, therefore to have used their mass testimonies as factors in sentencing strikes me as extremely injudicious, if not outright illegal. In Western Europe an individual of his level of bold (but not lethal) perversity would have garnered a sentence of 20 years, more than enough in my opinion, considering his present age and clearly restricted post-punishment social and professional prospects.

What the fuck? This man should be put down like the rabid dog he is.

I don't know if it's the same in Western Europe, but I believe judges in the US over-sentence because of parole and whatnot. Someone who gets 20 years might theoretically be out in a fraction of that time, say if it's 50%, that would be 10 years. 50% of 175 years is still longer than a lifetime.

I readily admit I may be completely wrong and only under this impression due to TV and movies.

Harvey Weinstein get away scot-free ... Isn't it more absurd?

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there will be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYPzKNQUE0

Yeah the olympic coach is a monster that needs to go away for ever

Epstein got 1 year despite trafficking/drugging/torturing girls.

Because he's Jewish?

I mean some people tried excusing Polanski for his drugging and anal rape of a minor because "he was a victim of the holocaust"

He's just the sacrificial lamb.

Consider also that pedophiles in the Dupont family get 0 years.

Convicted of raping his own 3 year old daughter no less.

"wouldn't fare well in prison" bull fucking shit.

Technically the judge isn't wrong. He would be a dead man on the inside. He would be on the wrong side of a shiv real quick.

I'm ok with that.

The guy is abused his position as doctor. It is that much more heinous.

Yes and that how this twisted world works. People who in power will almost always get away with nothing or a slap on the wrist for the heinous crimes they commit

Isnt it funny how the media/elite flip flop between russia, some laws that take away citizens rights (Net nuetrality was recent, and weed), back to pedophiles and sexual harrasment, and back tonsome sensationalism. All inorder to keep the public not talking about corruption within the gov, systematic loss of freedoms and rights, how agencies and military industrial complex uses the tax dollar for perpoaes other than domestic improvement like medicare, education, infrastructure? Yeah, the real question is why so much of media is used to distract the viewer rather than inform them.

I think this is a change.

The question becomes whether that change will work.

If so, every sacred cow in this country dies.

If you don't think the selection of the Mary Lou Rettons, Carrie Strugs, etc. of US Olympic fame weren't on the basis of who quite literally would be taken up the ass, you're not paying attention.

You have a point but this dude was doing shit above and beyond your average pedo in the government, Hollywood, whatever. He makes Weinstein look like a boy scout

I'd love to see the same.

He should have donated to the Clinton Foundation

Big difference in the states case against them. The Hollywood garbage is probably all true but I don't know if there were very credible witnesses against them.

Personally, I do not find it funny at all

Pedophilia is a rich man's hobby, and a poor man's crime.

IKR, Morals? What do I need those for? I have a bible!

Weinstein and Co are using Nassar to their advantage. Never waste a good story.

I was just having a similar conversation with someone about this yesterday. It's almost like this guy is getting the hammer as some sort of absolution for the Justice system that has gone easy in those before Nassar.

I think of the rich kid suffering from "Affluenza" who killed 5 while drunk driving. Didn't get any jail time for KILLING 5 PEOPLE!!!

Not defending Nassar, far from it, but yes OP, I agree, something is a little off about this.

That guy too. This one egregious act followed by a Superfluous sentencing does not repair bad sentencings from the past.

I was wondering this same exact thing.

What about all those female teachers banging kids too? Sounds like we need to get all the standards for punishment evened out.

Female teachers banging kids is considered 'hot'. Same way lesbians get a pass with the no-homo crowd.

Equal opportunity. I agree, but you have to prosecute it the same if you want to be fair.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair. Also interesting to note the difference is not just in the media, but also in sentences handed down. Women just seem to get off easier (no pun intended).

But I also don't care that much about it. It's just an interesting aside.

Also, is it just me or did this whole incident appear, get tried, and get the guy thrown in the slammer in what seemed like 3 fucking days? How the fuck did that happen? And how doesn't it happen with all these other fucks? Something fucking reeks.

He was most likely going to die in jail on the child porn charges 60 years or whatever is what he was serving. The rest of it seemed like he was being made an example out of. Maybe this will give victims more encouraging to speak out against even more horrible crimes, we can only hope.

This particular statement by the Judge seems all well in good to most people, given the context of this particular case, but it seems to undermine the way our current system is working, with so many people serving jail time, doing so for victim-less crimes or one sort or another:

"That’s what’s going to happen to him, because as you get stronger, as you overcome —because you will — he gets weaker and he will wither away. Prison is no place for a human being to live.”

If she does feel that way about prison, why do we allow people that are not violent, not stealing, or abusing people, placed into jail terms (sometime with ridiculously long mandatory minimum jail terms) into prison?

Hahaha

Someone's got to make it seem like they're cracking down eh ;)

Trump gave the judge who sentenced Epstein a nice shiney new job working for him... funny that huh.

Oh wow, I didn't know he hired them as well, makes sense since the housing bubble/collapse made him more money than his shitty buisnesses (at the time anyway).

Holy shit, dude. In no way am I "protecting" him. You made a false claim, and I refuted it. Weinstein is a piece of human garbage and I hope he's murdered in prison. But you are spreading false information and I hate when people do that so I called you out on it.

A dropped anonymous accusation isn’t even close to proof.

"pray you'll get out of your cult"

Motherfucker, you're in a cult. Praying to a fake ass god.

Why would we base such serious matters on an unfounded accusation?