Ideological Inconsistencies within r/conspiracy

0  2018-01-26 by NotaBugman2017

I've been a long time lurker of this sub and I feel I must point out what seems to me to be an obvious and absolute hypocrisy.

This sub is anti-globalization and anti-Nationalism.

This sub is more populated by individualized, atomized bugmen than even r/politics. You may THINK you've got some big brained solution to all the problems in the world, but the level of political analysis of this sub never extends beyond "we all bleed the same colour, man". Multiculturalism is synonymous with globalization, the opposite of atomization is ethnocentrism. The (European) nationalists in the Trump movement at least understand that if they don't look out for each other, nobody else will. It doesn't matter how much you preach love and acceptance, the differences in this world are too great. Diversity will no longer be a strength when England and France are Islamic Caliphates, when California is Mexican, when Italy is North African, when Australia is Chinese (already over 50% Asian) etc.

There is no country or community that has ever proved that multiracialism and multiculturalism are net benefits of any kind. What future can a European and a Chinaman build towards? Only one that is essentially meaningless and denies any real aspects of identity. One group must succumb to the other or they must join together and annihilate their own race. These types of communities destroy the social fabric, decrease trust in institutions, contribute to feelings of loneliness and alienation, and exacerbate the conflicts between people over scarce resources. A far-leftist professor by the name of Robert Putnam did a comprehensive investigation into the effects of diversity on communities, believing his study would reinforce his bugman worldview, and was so dismayed when it didn't that he hid his research for a decade. This is the reality of the world we live in, all peoples self-identify and organize as groups against the majority that holds democratic power. It doesn't matter much you preach individualism.

The general belief of this sub is that if we just all smoked weed everything would be great and we'd all get along.

That's fucking sad, man.

34 comments

1  Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-26

A month is not a very long time to be a lurker ;)

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Obviously a new account. Please use brain cells.

1  Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-26

Why the new account if you "lurk"?

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Accounts constantly get banned for counter-signalling r/politics.

1  Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-26

You said you lurk, though?

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Yeh read the sub all the time at work on my phone. One of the only consistently interesting subs on reddit tbh.

1  Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-26

So, are you a "long time lurker" or not? Your account says otherwise, and is kind of odd, why you would drop accounts, if all you do is "lurk". 10/10, you're full of it...

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

After reading your attempts at argumentation, I have given up on the idea that you are an intelligent human being.

1  Putin_loves_cats 2018-01-26

Okie-dokie!

1  RedTap3 2018-01-26

Maybe you should ask u/jesuits_hate_spiders why a user would drop an account. Put down the bottle...

1  Xaviermgk 2018-01-26

Which account of yours got banned? And why did it get banned if you only "lurk"?

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

Multiculturalism is bad if those coming in don't conform to the ruling culture you are correct in this assertion.

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

OK so multiculturalism is bad then cool.

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

I'm not here to argue with man. I think people of different "races" can co exist in the same space. And they can also have their own sub cultures. But they should not try to bring their old way of life to their new surroundings and demand others to adhere to it.

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Phenomenologically untrue. Either the minority feels alienated and deprived of self-determination, or there will be a power struggle. This is true in every nation on the planet.

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

Well I'm not going to argue you with you on this one. I'm not well read on the subject.

1  Zybbo 2018-01-26

I think people of different "races" can co exist in the same space.

Happened in Brazil.

His biggest city, Sao Paulo, has everything: Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Italians, Arabs, Jews, Spaniards, Bolivians, etc..

All they during the course of History found a way to both adapt to common, shared space, yet keeping their cultural roots without imposing them to anyone. This is what multiculturalism should be about.

Of course there are districts that tend to attract people from the same ethnicity and culture, like the district of Liberdade ) that amasses the biggest Japanese community outside of Japan. Even tho, those places are not impenetrable ghettos/no-go zones forbidden for outsiders. In fact is just the contrary, they usually tend to be touristic points.

It is very, very different to what is happening in Europe..

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

Yes this is a beautiful thing. Thank you for sharing. This is how I imagine it works. Much like America, though some our Citizens are used as tools for the shadow hand that resides here. This has brought about. Many people do not see color of skin, and respect others culture and share in the beauty that it can offer. The perspective it offers.

1  venCiere 2018-01-26

Disagree, but most immigrants want nothing more than to assimilate with the culture they are joining.

Problem with recent migration is that is is not organic. Countries are being decimated and populations are being forced to leave for survival, and migration is being forced on sovereign nations. Very odd. And many countries are not expected to take in any migrants at all. Contrived.

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

Thank you. I had not thought about it like that.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

As an Australian sitting in Australia typing this, I'd love to see a source to that 50%.

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/aussies-more-asian-than-european-news-census-data-reveals/news-story/62f4c3b4955897d944b6aa69cb1f5821

May have misquoted, read the article a couple of days ago.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

That same article says that 26.3% of Australians are born overseas, of which Asian countries number more than European countries as place of birth.

That is massively different to your claim of 50% Asian. That's more than a misquote, and comes across as deliberate disinformation. I hate to use the term "fake news", but...

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Imagine not understanding that people born in Australia can be Asian.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

Imagine trying to tell a person who is living in his country a demographic statistic which is wrong, and then arguing with him about it. I'm literally here dude. I've lived in 3 of Australia's capital cities and some of the larger regional cities. I understand what is Asian and I understand that Asians makeup no where near 50% of Australia's population. More like 20 at an absolute stretch, even then I'd be skeptical.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

I find it "interesting" you promote heterogeneity, yet believe a subreddit is homogeneous.

I'm not even sure if that is irony, but whatever it is, it definetley shows that you haven't been lurking here for a month.

Those of us who have been here since pre-2016 elections have experienced the partisan nightmare this subreddit has become. If I was to describe this r/conspiracy, it would be the exact opposite of homogeneous.

Are you sure you have been paying attention whilst lurking?

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

It's not an irony, you're just an idiot. Promoting heterogeneity and believing a subreddit has an overall consensus of opinion are in not any way the same or ironic.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

Anyone who bothered to view the link you provided for your claim about Australia, let alone other countries, will quickly determine who the idiot is.

You are the one who claimed "This sub" As though everyone here is homogeneous, when the sub is anything but.

You resorting to name calling testifies to the fact you have been unable to defend your theory.

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

After reading your attempts at argumentation I have promptly given up on the idea that you are an intelligent human being.

1  kingz_n_da_norf 2018-01-26

Cool man

1  User_Name13 2018-01-26

Removed, violation of rule 10.

1  irwin_normal 2018-01-26

so...you think it's 'fucking sad' that people long for a societal structure other than the one you refer to as 'reality' ?

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Not what I said at all. Please use brain cells.

1  WordGame 2018-01-26

I've been a long time lurker of this sub

nope

1  Enok-Stroth 2018-01-26

I'm not here to argue with man. I think people of different "races" can co exist in the same space. And they can also have their own sub cultures. But they should not try to bring their old way of life to their new surroundings and demand others to adhere to it.

1  NotaBugman2017 2018-01-26

Imagine not understanding that people born in Australia can be Asian.