How this for social engineering?

9  2018-01-26 by AngryD09

How's this for social engineering? I had a couple extra bucks in my pocket the other day and I decided to spend it on organic, gmo free milk for my kid. It's about twice as much for a 2 gallon. I like to consider myself pretty resilient to social engineering, but I couldn't help but be happy at the thought of my child's system taking in a little less unnecessary poison for those few days or however long the 2 gallon lasted. To say I feel kinda weak and pathetic upon reflection of this fact is an understatement to say the least. I bought another organic gallon when that one ran out, but now she's back on the free stuff the state gives low income vouchers to her mom for because that's the best overall compromise I can come up with right now. I just hope drinking regular milk does her more good in the long run than bad, as is the case with a lot of things, like vaccines, cell phones, car rides, the internet, etc.

Also interesting to note that I have been off of Opiods for about three years now, off and on with Kratom since then. For the last 2 weeks I've been taking it real easy all around. I have had a light dose of Kratom every few days, if that. The kicker is, my craving for junk food right now, particularly chocolate and tart sweets is literally, significantly stronger and more pervasive than my cravings for opiods and I experience almost zero craving for Kratom despite my fair share of chronic pain. Everytime I'm at the corner store however, there is some obese person, not just poor people either, that look like they literally live on sugar drinks and shit burgers.

Discuss.

Edit to add: To be fair, I should add that I don't begrudge my time on opiods. For awhile there I was in enough pain, the opiods may have actually saved my life. They certainly kept me more functional than I was without them until I could heal and get mentally strong enough to deal with life on cleaner ground. Doesn't mean I agree with how big pharma pushed that shit on the American public and it's shady as fuck there just happened to be a world wide supply of dope from Afghanistan and Mexico and fentanyl from China to be offered at dirt cheap street prices as an alternative to opiods once big pharma and government finally started cracking down, but I'm digressing. I am kinda pissed there is so much junk food being served up in elementary schools and targeted to kids though.

27 comments

Sounds about right

Firstly no milk is good milk. Milk is biologically designed via millions of years of evolution to aid the development of baby cows.

Agreed though sugar and junk food in general is crazy addictive. That shit is concocted to make your brain crave it. One day, hopefully soon, sugar will be seen as similar to tobacco and alcohol in terms of effect on health.

Seems like a lot of the dark side of how the sugar Industry has corrupted what we view as healthy has been coming to light recently.

Too right, put it this way when my grandma was young her doctor advised her to start smoking to deal with her blood pressure. We laugh at advise like that now (didn't harm her to much mind she's kicking strong at 95). One day we'll view adverts on tv showing chocolate bars etc the same way.

Im guessing your grandma comes from a generation whose life expectancy isn't too far off to what it is now though for my daughter. What I mean is, I've heard recently that my generation can expect a shorter life expectancy than our parents for the first time in generations despite all the medical advantages that come from living a first world nation. So your grandma's generational life expectancy must be close to what my child's generational life expectancy is and your grandma had doctors who recommended she smoked cigarettes to treat high blood pressure. Wtf?!?

Boggles the mind to think that there are folks out there defending sugar. Know we need sugar ourselves and could take it from sweet delicious fruits, before anyone jumps down my throat about our need for sugar.

The kind of business and more importantly dependency we've given it would make me imagine that you probably shouldn't fuck with them. Now that I think about it, sugar is like cracks attractive sibling.

Man, to a be a fly on the wall in some of these meetings and negotiations...

Can you image a world we're they've exposed all the crazy shit that goes behind the curtain? Social engineering is serious business.. with huge "upside" to gain for those who collude and employ this type of behavior in exchange for cash and power.

Do social engineering effectively and the people will forever perpetuate the system with a smile on their face. Implications are that big, I believe.

Well said. This part is especially fascinating to me too:

"Man, to a be a fly on the wall in some of these meetings and negotiations..."

Because I can't wrap my head around enough people selling out their own human race, their own families and friends for a few extra bucks. How does a big corporate fixer go to his kids soccer game and not feel like a huge, guilty asshole? Also, how do people actually talk in those meetings? I've never been good with the subtleties of social conversation so I can't understand how these people can stammer their way through a session of bribing or fixing research results and "yes sirs" and not realize how fucked they are for bending over to some asshole telling you to poison the planet for a few dollars more than anyone would ever need and do it in a way that gives the bosses plausible deniability. I would be fucked in a conversation like that, because I don't have the finesse once I figure out what is really going on not to just say outright "No sir boss man, you're an asshole and I'm gonna burn your entire life down for even trying to corrupt me into poisoning kids." Then I'd probably get in a car accident or accidentally blow my head off.

Sugar addiction is one of the worst addictions

People around here got all upset about a proposed sugar tax on sodas awhile back. They said it was racist cause it targeted low income families. I thought, Jesus, low income families are the ones that need the education and the push to get off shitty food more than anyone. So what if soda costs more, buy a fucking water for less money and feel better about your budget and your health. Fucking white upper middle class DJ's and talking heads telling poor minority people their government was racist against them cause of a goddamn soda tax. So gross and backwards.

I know that consumption of milk makes people, in general, produce more mucus in the digestive tract and even in the sinuses. Usually, your body creates excess mucus to protect tissues against irritants. In the case of milk, I have no idea WTF that irritant would be.

I take store milk and make yogurt or kefir with it (it's really easy, something everyone should know how to do). The microorganisms from a small bit of yogurt will turn a whole gallon of dead store milk into a nutritious food teeming with probiotics.

There's something about beneficial bacteria eating it first that makes cultured foods far less problematic to our systems. They make digestion easier for us and add nutrition; they're little chemical reactors.

Please make a thread about this?

Yes!

Possibly will, thank you.

"In the case of milk, I have no idea WTF that irritant would be."

Probably the antibiotics in the damn milk.

"I take store milk and make yogurt or kefir with it (it's really easy, something everyone should know how to do)."

Wow, nice tip. I like a shot of plain kefir in the morning. I will be googling this. Maybe make a post about it like another user suggested. Thanks for that one.

I'd say sugar will be considered worse. Once 80% of the population is obese (it's already overweight), than sugar could possibly be considered more addictive than alcohol and tobacco. Sugar CRAVINGS are real common to the general population. How many people on keto or vegans crave sugar after a steady period of no artificial sugars?

When on a clean diet I'll start to crave what my nose can smell.

i rec'd glycine (up to 3g-1tsp/day) for sweet cravings.

tartaric acid for tart cravings (helps lower insulin insensitivity).

I'll look into it, thanks. Although I'm realizing the amount of citric acid in tart candy upsets my stomach enough it's just not worth it anyway, so im just about good with that. Not sure on how tartaric acid will play into that. Maybe it's in tart candy and that's what's upsetting my stomach? Idk, but I do know citric acid soda bugs my guts way more than phosphoric acid soda which actually seems to help my digestion sometimes, although that's no justification to drink too much of it. Also, stevia in my coffee works great. I'm gonna just have to try and be cool on the chocolate though, a little, maybe once a week should be alright.

Have you tried kombucha? My favorite is GT's Trilogy from Trader Joe's/Costco/Walmart. It's expensive but apparently you can make kombucha at home.

People seem to love or hate the taste of it. I think I might be addicted to it lol. I've been reaching for kombucha or filtered water instead of giving in to my super strong/persistent sugar cravings, and my tummy/skin/mood appear to be doing a little bit better because of it. Still struggling to stop smoking, though..

Nice job staying off the ops for so long, thats fantastic! My mom has been so miserable with her chronic pain, shes been at her wits end for 2 years now, had so many procedures and surgeries and physical therapy/diet/exercise but still has severe pain in her back/legs. I rly want to get her to try kratom instead of becoming more and more dependant on the ops RX but it's tough convincing her that its safe. I also have no idea where to get it online but I'd figure it out if I knew it would give my mom some relief.

Sry about your mom. Kratom is a bug gamble. Luckily where I live we have a pretty good store that gets consistent supply and stays all legal. I can't remember any scandals about bad kratom locally, but I do worry about how it's processed. Im not sure I would order it online. If your mom hasn't looked at stem cell therapy/injections, maybe that might help. Good luck.

An increased craving for sweets is just your brain crying out for more dopamine. Many smokers trying to quit will warn of the same side-effect.

Congratulations on your sobriety. Remember to be kind to yourself in your discipline. A chocolate milk-shake may be bad for you, but it's a hell of a lot less addicting than an opiate. Just look at junk food for what it is; a recreational drug. Everything in moderation.

How’s Kratom? recently found out a good friend of mine is in treatment for opiate abuse, wondering how he will be able to get off opiates with his chronic pain.

Would also love to learn more about kratom.

Kratom is pretty good stuff for us so far. My wife also has chronic pain and uses kratom a couple times a week. Its kinda expensive compared to opiods rx. It's also unregulated which gives me pause, but you can boil it so that should help a lot with potential contaminants. Also we only buy ground up kratom, not pills, because it's a fair bit cheaper. That means we have to mix it in usually a citrus drink. It tastes awful. That alone holds off addiction. Also, take too much and most people get sick before they really get high. It helps my wife's pain a fair bit more than mine, pills work better for me for pain than her, different body chemistry. She doesn't like to get high, I literally can't get high on kratom, at least not enough to justify the taste and potentially getting sick. When I was weaning off of opiods a few years ago it was a godsend because I could take a dose and be functional, almost normal. Took away the sweats and weird loopy feelings from withdrawal and helped tame that "electric buzz" feeling I was getting from with-drawls and let me sleep, cut down the rls big time. And like I said earlier, I've been using it on average maybe every other day, sometimes more, sometimes less for 3 years and when. I take a break I feel about zero cravings. I don't think if my joints flare up or an old injury aches and I want some Kratom that's a real craving. The only thing is I can't really recommend in good conscience because of all the unknowns. It must be better than a full blown heroin addiction. But with an RX for pain pill idk, just because of the regulation factor. If you get a tainted batch of opiods from the pharmacy you have recourse. Not sure what kind of recourse one would have if you got some tainted kratom. There are a couple documented deaths from Kratom number of years ago, but to my knowledge, it was only due to being spiked with o'desmethyltramadol and/or being combined with other drugs. I honestly don't see how you could ingest enough to die, you'd puke way before that.

Sry so late getting back, hope this helps.

Yeah thanks for the reply, very informative, I don’t have any experience with opiates so this is all new to me. Unfortunately I think most people with chronic pain will have to take something for the pain so in that respect Advil ibuprofen are probably a better craving than opiates. I’ll mention Kratom to my friend, he doesn’t know that I know he went to drug treatment.

If he has the means, he needs to get his hormone levels worked out. Drug addiction wrecks havoc on hormone levels and new treatments developed in conjunction with football players and soldiers who suffer TBI and/or TBI related PTSD/depression and all the drug regimens that come with it are just now coming to light. The link to JRE below has guest Dr. Mark Gordon who is at the forefront of this research/treatment and dude with him is an ex-green Beret. They have a ton of patients that have gotten off massive doses of drugs and fixing their depleted hormone levels was a huge part of it. I'm over-simplifying and this episode deals with TBI related PTSD in particular, but there is a lot of crossover to someone with just a drug problem. Even if your friend can't afford fancy hrt, I know from experience, exercise and good diet alone can boost testosterone levels and help enormously in getting clean. Rogan touches on this at the end of the show as well. He's had Dr. Mark Gordon and spec-ops dudes with similar success stories several times if you want to go back farther, but this episode is the most up to date and also more concise at just over an hour rather than the usual 3. Hope it helps.

didn't they ban r/fatpplhate?

if I could recommend cannabis edibles + hot ginger tea for kicking the hard stuff

Please make a thread about this?

Have you tried kombucha? My favorite is GT's Trilogy from Trader Joe's/Costco/Walmart. It's expensive but apparently you can make kombucha at home.

People seem to love or hate the taste of it. I think I might be addicted to it lol. I've been reaching for kombucha or filtered water instead of giving in to my super strong/persistent sugar cravings, and my tummy/skin/mood appear to be doing a little bit better because of it. Still struggling to stop smoking, though..

Nice job staying off the ops for so long, thats fantastic! My mom has been so miserable with her chronic pain, shes been at her wits end for 2 years now, had so many procedures and surgeries and physical therapy/diet/exercise but still has severe pain in her back/legs. I rly want to get her to try kratom instead of becoming more and more dependant on the ops RX but it's tough convincing her that its safe. I also have no idea where to get it online but I'd figure it out if I knew it would give my mom some relief.

"In the case of milk, I have no idea WTF that irritant would be."

Probably the antibiotics in the damn milk.

"I take store milk and make yogurt or kefir with it (it's really easy, something everyone should know how to do)."

Wow, nice tip. I like a shot of plain kefir in the morning. I will be googling this. Maybe make a post about it like another user suggested. Thanks for that one.