When you can power your entire home and everything in it with no outside power source what so ever for a year straight, then come back and beat your chest. Until then, it's junk science (which is why you were banned).

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a minute. I'm not sure if this guy is on to anything but,you are setting the bar a little high don't you think? Solar panels struggled to do that very task for decades.

I'm not sure if this guy is on to anything but,you are setting the bar a little high don't you think?

No, not at all. This cat is crowing about a self sufficient energy source that is ground breaking. But, in fact, it's not. A dinky little battery is one thing, but he can't make it do anything of significance. Additionally, if it were ground breaking, he would have been visited by some guys in suits making him "an offer he can't refuse". The big companies that profit from making us fools pay for energy are not going to sit still for some joe blow to take their profits away.

Solar panels struggled to do that very task for decades.

Yes, they are a good start. But they still aren't a truly self sufficient source.

What he's making is one of these.

I can pretty much guarantee that just paying your electric bill is cheaper.

Not exactly. He's using crystalline solid state electrolytes, they are used in pacemakers for a long while now, they are relatively expensive to make and have low voltage and high lifetime.

When you can power the entire eastern seaboard with your salty bitterness then come back and beat your face. Until then your tears are junk science!

P.S. Earth is not a globe.

Congrats, you built a chemical battery.

I thought so too at first. Especially the copper and zinc plated bolt just screams galvanic cell. The difference here is the electrolyte solution isn’t a solution but instead crystalline, which are not electrically conductive. Salt water is conductive but table salt is not, for example.

It could be a combination of galvanic potential and possibly some sort of semi-conductive rock salt, or even a new type of air-battery, which could be huge. Forget the electrodes here for they are common and well studied, I want to know more about the mixture.

The biggest issues with batteries today are their degradation from charging discharging cycles. Dendritic-solids build up around the electrodes preventing the ions from reaching them and transferring their charge, in a process called “diffusion limited aggregation”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_battery

https://newatlas.com/solid-state-magnesium-battery/52386/

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OMG you’re like one of the dumbest people on earth. It’s a fucking battery. It will die eventually. That’s how batteries work. PM me when your battery dies, so I can laugh at you.

Magnesium Sulfate is hygrscopic, coordinating 5x H2O per MgSO4 molecule. I assume that is what makes the salt mixture electrolytic.

The amperage output varies according to the load attached to it, it seems, which is strange, I think.

No. A load has a resistance, which changes the physics of the whole circuit, as load and device circuit make up a voltage divider.

I am not very electronically savvy, and some have asked me to find the internal resistance but I have not done so yet.

To calculate the change in amperage caused by the load, you need to know the resistance of the load and the resistance of the device circuit.

When I can build a light that seemingly does not go out, I do not need a bunch of calculations to tell me it is a good thing.

Good for you. I appreciate your experiments and concede that you might have found something. But others will need a bit more convincing with numbers. It would be good if you could tell us how much current your stuff is drawing, and for how long it's been on. That in turn gives us the capacity expended so far. Once that number goes beyond run-of-the-mill galvanic batteries, people will start listening to you.

It's one of these. It's not anything special.

No it isnt. This is an air battery. Same page though.

A potato could power an LED for a very long time.

LEDs need almost no power

LEDs lol wow

fake

I'm saying that your stuff doesn't work as you claim it does. But it's well known that LED draw very little current.

The world, globular or not. Needs open mindedness. This is civilization that hid Teslas science.

The best thing about knowledge is that, you know that natural law thing. It cant be contained by human agendas. Fight the free fight you sexy mother fucker.

You totally ruin your post by randomly stating 'the earth is not a globe' at the end of it. You don't present any evidence that it isn't a globe.

I guess it depends on your definition of globe, but the earth is slightly more of an ellipse than a sphere

It's within 0.3% of being spherical.

Yea, take the water from the oceans and add the mountains and its basically a rock..thats somewhat rounded.

Even without the oceans the earth is very spherical. The difference between the height of Everest and the depth of the Mariana Trench is ~18,842 meters. The radius of the Earth is ~6,371,000 meters. This means that the Earth is within 0.3% of being a perfect sphere. By comparison, a golf balls and baseballs fluctuate by ~0.6%

I just proved it. https://kaiserscience.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/lake-pontchartrain-curve-around-earth.jpg

He also ruined his post by not knowing what a chemical battery is.

Op is so clueless a zinc-air battery would blow his mind.

I agree he is scientifically illiterate but the original discoverer, also a hoaxer, may have accidentally stumbled upon something important and underestimated its importance and moved on to other shit claims. A solid electrolyte between electrodes is a big deal. He said as hard as crystal... which is what caught my very expert eye.

Tesla held patents and provided demonstrations under laboratory scrutiny. Hutchinson cannot replicate his results under such scrutiny.

Gonna need a legit source for that.

Dude, the fuck? I asked for a real source on his claims passing laboratory scrutiny not youtube movies I have already seen.

No.

You said he passed Laboratory conditions.

I asked for proof of his tests under laboratory conditions.

You gave me a youtube video which is not the same thing as passing laboratory scrutiny.

I can do the research. I dont need you to do it at all.

I thought it would help you to do it yourself instead and learn something along the way since you also claimed to be not that savvy with the subject.

Don’t get it twisted.

Published papers with peer reviews, under oath in a courtroom in front of a panel of experts, a fully detailed demonstration that someone can recreate exactly as described.

I can show you how magnets work by:

Writing a paper and publishing it which details all of the experiments and tools used and in such a way that can be replicated by the reader or other researchers.

Presenting it in front of people such as the royal academy of sciences like tesla and faraday did. Done in such a way that there is no shenanigans.

All there is, is a wooden bench and your experiment as described in say your published paper.

Hutchinson has only succeeded behind closed doors which is why i am so skeptical of him.

I only offered ways to help avoid the same ridicule. I didnt mean to offend you.

He is not a real researcher, he is a disinformation operation, a replacement for Eric Dubay.

He also encapsulated it away from air... water degradation was ruining its performance so not an air battery. I am some who can legitimately research this and I might try now as its simple enough to do, however, i am going to do googling first as I believe this has been debunked and havent really looked yet.

It isn’t that simple. The electrolyte is solid not a solution as typically used. This is more along the lines of an air battery or semiconductive rock salt. It’s the mixture that is important here, not the copper or zinc electrodes.

Not really:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_battery

As early as the late 1950s, there were efforts in developing a solid-state battery.The first solid state batteries, which utilized silver ion conducting electrolytes, had low energy density and cell voltages, in addition to very high internal resistance.

From his previous threads (he keeps rehashing this idea) he doesn't even know what resistance is. I'd be surprised if he knows what ohms law is.

Why should the researcher not be honest with where his research comes from?

Original doscoverer is john hutchinson, a canadian inventor who has made lots of bogus claims. This is likely no different.

I think it is converting heat, its not galvanic. Here is a much simpler experiment than the one I proposed before:

shine a lamp onto it very near to the crystal so that it heats up. Measure the output current. If it the power source is piezoelectricity, then the current should increase.

Peizos dont produce continual amperage though, especially not DC. Once you discharge a piezoelectric the voltage is gone until you unpress it and get the opposite voltage. They are used as bbq lighters for a quick spark.

It does increase output with heat. Try it yourself.

That means you made a chem battery...

How long is forever?

Years? Decades? How long have you been testing these?

Its called a Hutchinson battery.

Youre eating the metal to get these results. Its not free. Youll need more metal in time.

You can get better results the more surface area of the metal is touching the crystal.

I did. Its a Hutchinson battery corroding the metal to create this effect.

It will last a long time but not indefinitely and its trading the metal at the cost of this. I read your link

I dont know what to tell you that other people havent.

Youve made a chem battery that last a very long time.

Why dont you go post this to a science sub and see what they say?

Good job OP! Keep studying and continue attempting to make this a better world!

this a million times

Lots of shit comments. Noone can just wake up and make something to power an entire house. The lightbulb failed numerous times before it worked. Keep it up and forget the freeloaders who arent doing shit with their lives besides criticizing you.

It's already been explained to you on other threads that you posted.

You're making an electrochemical cell. It's not perpetual, it's not efficient, and it's not free. You're literally just burning your own money when you make these.

Perpetual energy cannot physical exist anyway.

Why? does the universe not run on it? Do you not believe something was created from nothing in the Big Bang?

There is a definite amount of mass and energy in the universe.

If this was a source of infinite energy, that would mean an infinite amount of energy would have to be contained within that system, which is of course ridiculous.

/r/holofractal

Just because it's expanding doesn't mean it's holding more.

Spacetime expanding =/= things moving

Those dont use solids between the electrodes, this does, which is the point.

It's just another type of that. There's a lot of them. It's literally the same thing.

It’s an air battery, which is different. Not groundbreaking but it doesnt use cells.

How is it different?

Chemical cells use slurrys or liquid solutions, this uses oxygen. It doesnt have cells in the typical sense you are implying.

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-solid-state-battery-726142/amp/

These are not self charging. His is.

There is no self charging part, he uses a lot of copper for his anode, which contain a massive amount of electrons. There is nothing new about 'his' design, this is a diy solid state battery using crystalline solid electrolytes. What component is the novel part of his design?

You say there isn’t but we can agree he needs to prove this specific claim.

It doesnt need air. Its solid. It is self charging. It works using the same metal for both electrodes. There is something novel here in its infancy. It should be investigated not hated. It’s not violating physics like he claims. We just dont fully know whats going on. Its not zeropoint or whatever, but a solid state battery that recharges over time would be a big industry savior.

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Okay. This i can agree with. I still hope the claims of self charging are proved. That would at least be note worthy.

OP maybe you have heard of this: Have you seen any documentation of tesla describing how his machinery/apparatus worked? The document would have to do with describing the mechanisms for the purpose of creating a patent. I know it's out there and need to find it.

Op, I believe you made an air battery. Despite your best intentions, i dont believe you yet that it is more than that. I sent you a personal message which describes a series of simple experiments to prove its differences.

1.) use the same metal for both electrodes.

2.) make it under argon, or let it self-charge under vacuum.

If it still works without air, and without galvanic potential, you have discovered something serious.

If one but not the other you have either a chemical cell or an air battery. Im guessing the latter because of the solid crystal. It is not porous to the human eye but oxygen and other atmospheric elements can move in and out. You should research air batteries further.

You should have added this at the beginning. Thanks for the link.

I am not experienced with electronics

No shit.

Listen, I love esoteric electronic and electrical things and have spent ages reading tesla patents etc but your lack of knowledge is the only reason you think any of this is remotely special.

why then, if they last longer than any battery we can buy,

LEDs don't need much power, you can run them for ages on a coin cell. Your cell is the size of like 50 coin cells so I would expect it to last ages. Also, it's massive and all you can run on it is a tiny LED, is this really supposed to be impressive? Light an incandescent bulb and get back to us...

Yawn.

If any of this was true people would make them and sell the electricity to the national grid.

You need to draw more current than an LED, do that and record the amount of Amps/Voltage over time and then get back to us. Currently you have a swimming pool full of water (your battery) and you have a pinhole trickle of water leaving it (your LED). The reason you don't see the level of water in your pool going down is that the amount of water leaving is extremely small. If you were to put a bigger hole in the pool (motor/resistor/heater/etc.) and then measured that flow (amperage) and the height of the water (voltage), you would see how much power is in your battery.

Like I said in another comment this is 100% a primitive solid state battery. It was invented in the 50's.

Hutchison probably read one of the books ( from the 60's and 70's ) that are referenced in this document from 1987, found the instructions and renamed it to crystal power cell and attributed perpetual energy to it.

Note that the document (from 1987) states that

"Little commercialization has occurred, but in the speciality areas the solid state batteries may be quite useful for highly stable, long life, low power applications."

And:

Commercialization has been limited because of performance and cost factors

It also states that batteries are used for pacemakers.

Still quite interesting though.

These type of batteries are now heavily R&D'd to replace lithium batteries.

https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i46/Solid-state-batteries-inch-way.html

I never said that:

A new class of solid state electrolyte was developed by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the 1990s, which was later incorporated into certain thin film lithium-ion batteries, which is considered to be a form of solid state battery.[7]

In 2013, researchers at University of Colorado Boulder announced the development of a solid-state lithium battery, with a solid composite cathode based upon an iron-sulfur chemistry, that promised a higher energy capacity.[8]

In 2014, researchers at Sakti3 announced a solid state electrolyte lithium-ion battery, and claimed higher energy density for lower cost.[9] The company was acquired by Dyson in the following year.[10]

In 2017, John Goodenough, a co-inventor of Li-ion batteries, unveiled a new solid-state battery, using glass electrolytes and an alkali-metal anodeconsisting of lithium, sodium or potassium, which is not possible with conventional batteries.[11]

Next time you need to do some research yourself before making such bold conclusions.

Please read this document http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a176283.pdf

And read page 30 of this book

Guys, stop beating on him. He posted a cool experiment. Yes, it's been done before. Can you power anything major with it? No. Nonetheless, cool experiment. No need to slay him unless he starts claiming that the earth is a flat dish in space.

Ok mang.

Actually every day science proves the Earth is round.

Is the Earth 70% water?

Yes.

Is water always flat and level?

No

Therefore, Earth cannot be anything but... round

Thanks for the commendation on the experiment!

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/lake-pontchartrain-power-lines-demonstrating-the-curvature-metabunk-jpg.27877/

Why oh why is the horizon still flat!?!?

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170723-070948-ojfta-jpg.27888/

https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/20170723-071222-p9cvp-jpg.27889/

The horizon is supposed to appear level, and it does. It's a fallacy to suggest that the horizon should appear to curve like the limb does, the horizon is always horizontal.

On a flat earth, the sky would always subtend 180 degrees. On a round earth, the sky subtends more the higher you go. It turns out that observations of the horizon match the round earth prediction,

Again, the horizon is not supposed to appear curved. It's a dishonest argument to claim that a level horizon proves a flat earth.

Here you go mate.

P.P.S: The continued form of PS isn't "PSS" coz that sounds like a ship-shaped console.

I think it's cool and I might try it. You should check out "earth batteries" you probably have everything you need to make one. Tesla believed there was free endless energy everywhere, don't give up.

it isnt irrelevant if something is an infinite source of energy or just another metal ion battery, they would be totally different in fact. This is both possible and well known.

"P.S. Earth is not a globe."

....OK. now i know why youre amazed by this. you have no idea about anything you talk about.

i think that it is great that you take an interest in the physical world, terrific really. AND i even think that there are sources of energy that are functionally (not actually) unlimited, which we could explore.

It's just another type of that. There's a lot of them. It's literally the same thing.

No it isnt. This is an air battery. Same page though.

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/lithium-ion-vs-solid-state-battery-726142/amp/

There is no self charging part, he uses a lot of copper for his anode, which contain a lot of electrons. There is nothing new about 'his' design, this is a diy solid state battery..