Experiment G: Go out and find yourself a lake. Jump in it. Observe how water behaves. Finds its 'level', correct? Takes the shape of the container. Cool. - metabraindead parrot here...

The wise man speaks because he has something to say. The fool speaks because he HAS to say SOMETHING.

You talk just like /u/iamn30

No, I am the 1 and only ;3

Thanks for thinking of me!

That's weird I didn't asked you the question. /u/Zeteo9. Are you IAMN30? And remember that lying is a deadly sin.

No, I am the 1 and only ;3

Thanks for thinking of me!

Removed. Rule 10

Sorry about that. Couldn't resist.

The water in my glass curves up due to capillary action. Or is it because we are inside a the sphere?

How are you doing your "observations" exactly? Can you look at a table top or shelf and tell me with just your eyes if its perfectly level or not? You might want to use a level or something.... in the case of the ocean you are going to need a really long level.

Why is it that scale is so hard for FE loons to understand?

Ok so how about compare it this way.... Put a micro organism 1000 times smaller than the tip of a needle - place that organism on a basketball.

From that organisms perspective he will think the baskeball is flat because as far as he can possibly move in a day he never sees the curve.

You are the tiny organism. Earth is the basketball

What are some examples of "loons" on the round earth side?

I'm ex navy and now I work in aerospace for a gov contractor. Firing solutions, navigation, and in the past TBS radio coms all depend on accounting for the curvature of the earth. Yes I have seen people try to debunk this, but unless myself and everyone involved in any use of these systems aboard every ship since before WWI has been the victim of the most elaborate ruse in the history of the world then earth is a globe. Its mathematically/scientifically provable beyond the shadow of doubt. Please note I am talking about actual math and science not your armchair "but muh eyes say this" science doesn't work like that.

Exhibits A-E are meaningless and its a little indicative of how much time youve been investigating this...

https://imgur.com/epi4GCG

Whoops... Theres your curvature. You can actually see the concrete supports become obscured...

Turns out if the lake is big enough you can observe curvature.

As for the chicago skyline, this is your image with a few things pointed out on it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DvPaAVzCPgo/V46Tzz3liHI/AAAAAAAABss/o10btSM5b-w75Mzp8Cz5e2aaD6sgcqRywCK4B/s1600/the-smoking-gun-chicago-marked.png

Now here is a slightly more clear image with those same structures pointed out

https://flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com/2016/07/chicago-skyline-looming-from-mi.html

This is the willis tower btw

Do you see the issue here?

Its pretty clear that what you are seeing isnt reflective of what the building looks like. Youre missing a lot of that building, also notice how "squat" it looks.

This is indicative of refraction. We can show it here with this image

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--O-0eVPrAIM/V6UvdvSmSUI/AAAAAAAAB1Y/4SLCyPNgvS0X1ewhxxfHhjostA94D-M5wCLcB/s1600/Nowicki-Chicago-2016-04-17-frame-side-by-side.jpg

THose are images taken over time. Note how the skyline changes in size.

Brace yourselves for millions of complex theories or *metabunks from the metabraindead parrots.

Well this ones easy the suez canal isnt straight, straightest portion is 24 miles. And at eye level you cant see a boat entering so it proves a curved Earth.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ee26ab548cb6f0e2655e154cf8028ad7

Heres an example of how ships actually appear over a distance.

Let me ask you a question.

Why do storms rotate in different directions depending on the hemisphere?

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1) Sure, but you don't consider light, temperature, and water condition to prove your point.

I did thats why I mentioned refraction giving those buildings a "squat" appearance.

Here's the same shot on a different day. Where's your supposed curve?

Poor test. Try again. Look at the haze you cant see very far can you?

Thank you for your youtube videos but I dont find them very convincing.

I can provide images of high altitude curvature but Im sure youll say its fake.

See this is the problem in engaging with FE people you hit the nail on the head right there. It doesn't matter what you say, what evidence you give them they will just ignore your points or call them fabricated. I said this in another flat earth thread a week ago. Even if I could bring an FE'er into space and show them the fucking globe they would say something like I hacked into their brain or put mini tv screens in their eyes. Its exhausting.

I try not to get into arguing with them but its hard to let it slide when it pops up more than once a day on this sub.

It's fun to debate as long as you don't get mad. I mean I posted a generalized comment down there and remained perfectly calm without arguing the same material as them. They didn't touch it. It's more trolling than science for them.

Don't even respond to this guy. He's literally in every flat earth/fake space post desperately trying to prop up his fake space religion.

you seem to be getting more riled up than anyone else here at the mere thought that your reality might now be what youtubers told you

Thank you so much. Flat earth is literally the stupidest conspiracy out there.

Put water in bottle. Pour oil into water. Put a lid on bottle. Shake it up. What happens to the oil? What shape is it in?

I poured out water in my measuring cup while baking, but it keeps having a curved meniscus. I also went to the ocean, and the water kept rising and lowering every six hours. Why aren't these level?

Gyroscopes prove motionless flat plane.

"That's what my prophet Dubay said at least"

You can do this experiment on your own if you fly, or even driving. A mechanical gyroscope will maintain it's horizon level orientation regardless of how far you go. If we were dipping over a curve the gyroscope will show since it's designed to show off axis movement.

Except airplanes and cars follow the curvature of the Earth... not to mention... flying at the rate of a commercial airliner is too slow... The Earth is quite large, go look at the other comment about circumference and relative curvature with a given distance.

What do you mean that when you drive you're following the curve of the earth? Are you saying because of the spin we keep in relatively the same space? 8 inches per mile squared is not too big for us to observe. And what does speed have to do with the curve?

Massive bodies have their own gravity and smaller objects within a certain sphere of influence would have their orientation to where “down” would be towards the center of gravity unless their mass exceeds some point (dont know the exact term). Thus the car follows the curvature... cars don’t sink on solid ground..

The idea that a gyroscope and traveling around earth would prove or disprove something is inherently illogical. Comparing the relative orientation of a gyroscope (while rotating) against a significantly larger body would only work if you are able to travel around the larger body at a pace that exceeds the gyroscopes ability to “right” itself. You would have to continuously spin the gyroscope for the duration of travel, which would require the gyroscope to be in a fixed position and would cause the inertia of the spinning mass to rotate with the vehicle because you don’t travel fast enough and the forces acting on the fixed position gyroscope through the vehicle would exceed the gyroscope’s inertia. The link below presents a far better explanation than I do, see the third comment “Alignment of Gyroscope”.

More on the gyroscope: https://www.metabunk.org/gyroscopes-as-evidence-for-a-spherical-and-rotating-earth.t7555/

This also doesn’t account for the fact that a plane flies through turbulent air, typically flies with an upward angle of attack (couple of degrees), thrust, drag, etc... cars experience similar forces when traveling.

Source:
I’m an aerospace engineer with a focus on aeronautics

Circumference of Earth is 24900 miles... to have a single degree of curvature would require 69.16 miles. Thus to observe the curvature you’d need to be able to see a large expanse of uninterrupted horizon to even attempt to prove/disprove curvature.

Circumference of the Earth and how it’s determined and yada yada yada: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Also the phrase 8 inches per mile squared is just laugh worthy on its own. 8 inches of distance per an area that is of a mile in size. That could be any number of combinations that calculate out to 1 mile squared. Thus it’s an unfounded term of measurement and can’t be used.

My counter argument with Fire a gun (sniper rifles have had studied done, go use google or bing or whatever) in the direction of the rotation of the Earth and the bullet will not travel as far as it would if you fired in the opposite direction of rotation. The Earth’s rotation also affects the travel left/right when firing in directions that are not in parallel with rotation.

Coriolis Effect info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force

Wind is created by heat transfer on a huge scale. Small scale example, open a car door on a warm windless summer day, the heat within the car will still “spread” outwards until an equilibrium condition is met.

I would take the Flat Earth theory more seriously if the people who were spouting out all their “facts” could back them up and actually use proven scientific facts to substantiate their claims, but instead I see crap like this where the OP boldly states his opinion and flaunts it as facts

Non-Mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

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A mechanical gyroscope for the artificial horizon has no electronics for adjusting to "gravity". The artificial horizon is sensitive to every dip and climb the aircraft will perform and maintain the level regardless of the orientation of the aircraft, which is why it works. Gravity has no explanation in modern science it is introduced as some sort of magical inward motion of mass even tho electromagnetic forces defy it and makes more sense. Please explain to me how mass cause objects to pull towards it? I'll wait.

Please provide sources... because right now you’re talking out of your ass. You make a statement that you yourself can not prove yet the effects of gravity are evident..

You also didn’t bother to address my other comments because you know it disproves your narrative..

Gravity is caused by a difference in masses. A larger mass will attract a smaller mass. Mass is the amount of matter within an object. It’s been observed in space, see link below.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/asteroid-florence-has-two-moons/

Electromagnetic forces “defy” gravity by supplying an opposite force on the object. If it truly defied gravity the object would no longer be affected by gravity and would just float off.... as soon as the electromagnetic field is left or is removed, the object that was floating falls towards the center of gravity of Earth. And not to forget about simple physics... magnetic objects can be affected my electromagnetic forces, however non-magnetic forces would not.

Further reading for you..

http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~teviet/Waves/differences.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluza–Klein_theory

A horizontal gyroscope doesn't keep level to itself though, it keeps level perpendicular to the direction in which gravity pulls it. As you drive or fly, it will continue to keep a horizontal level, because the force of gravity is pulling straight done towards the earth below you.

No they dont, that is a flat out lie.

Heres a paper on it

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0957-0233/23/2/025005

Heres another resource to show your lies.

http://www.tkt.cs.tut.fi/research/nappo_files/Symposium_Gyro_Technology_2010_web.pdf

Tell me why you would lie to us

The earth is flat...I love how this sub will talk about lizard people and all kinds of far out topics but if you mention flat earth they immediately declare that it's bs. It's really easy to verify there's no curve. The picture OP posted is a great example. Get a good zoom lens and test it for yourself. The curve is supposed to be 8 inches per mile squared. It's not there. It's flat.

How do flat earthers explain solar and lunar eclipses where you can see the roundness of the earth on the moon or visa versa.

Great big flashlight behind a disc that seemingly always faces the moon at a 90 degree angle just so we can say that it looks round. SMH

Occam's Razor. Which is more likely, that the planet we inhabit has the same form as billions perhaps trillions of celestial bodies in the universe or the government/science communities of the world are all involved with a humongous cover up of the shape of our planet?

lmao thanks for the laugh.

The difference between FE and all the examples you just gave (outrageous as they are) is that FE is actually disprovable and has been disproved many times in many ways. You cant really prove something doesn't exist like god, lizard people, or bigfoot can you? So things like that are actually fun to indulge even if far fetched. I would also argue that lizard people and the like are not really the focus of this sub and brought up far less (lately at least) than FE nonsense.

If I saw a FE post once a week I honestly wouldn't care. Its become multiple times per day though and it always goes exactly the same way. Bunch of BS "experiments" done by know nothing people and posta of the same tired youtube videos with laughable arguments a child could reason past. Its boring and basically spam on this sub.

Genuine people who took the time to actually look at this whole topic won't spew shit like:

"You fucking retardd, dis what the world come to, obviously the Earth is a ball cuz science says so, youre all retarded for beliving this psyop"

A genuine person will have doubts, because there's evidence to support a flat and motionless Earth, but there's even more evidence that doesn't support a ball-shape Earth.

The genuine people will be on the fence, they wouldn't know (with certainty) if it's either flat or ball or concave, because there's evidence to support all cases.

The shills and usefull idiots will vehemently defend the ball Earth on conspiracy forums/reddit.

it's a way to seperate wheat from chaff.

"You fucking retardd, dis what the world come to, obviously the Earth is a ball cuz science says so, youre all retarded for beliving this psyop"

The irony when in the same post you write

The shills and usefull idiots will vehemently defend the ball Earth on conspiracy forums/reddit.

There's a difference in tone.

Comparing the term usefull idiot to the generic insults flat Earthers get is apples and oranges.

A difference in tone sounds ridiculous.

You just called people shills and useful idiots.

In dutch, that's how I would say it. I think it's fine in English too.

Maybe U should google/wiki "usefull idiot"...

Don't act like your nose is bleeding. We're all adults here, I hope. Shills and usefull idiots exist. On the topic of flat Earth, it's fairly obvious for anyone who invested the least bit of time what is happening.

On of the main things FE supporters claim is that Antarctica is actually an ice wall, and "normal people" can't go there. I know for a fact this is false. My sister has been to Antarctica, one of my relatives was the co-pilot in the Erebus disaster, and died there. Lots of New Zealanders have been involved with Antarctica in one way or another.

But I guess evidence people can see with their own eyes only counts if it supports FE right?

We can "go there" on limited tours. You're not allowed to roam freely, you get on a cruiseship (from either South America, Africa or Australia/NZ), you land at an icy land mass and look at coastal features for some minutes/hours and then go back to your cruiseship.

There's militairy presence at Antarctica and there's tight security. Now you can argue: "it's because it's cold, because of insurance/risk policy, ppl could die, ..." which makes some sense, but that doesn't change the fact you're not allowed to freely roam Antarctica.

Antarctica exists, there's known bases (McMurdo, ...), noone is disputing that. Sure people die/died there, none's disputing that either.

It doesn't matter if it supports FE or not, what matters is facts.

Seeing with your eyes Antarctica (an ice mass South of every continent) exists doesn't prove the Earth is a ball. Nor does it prove a flat Earth. All it proves Antarctica exists, and noone here is disputing that.

I don't know how U can equate your sisting seeing Antarctica with her own eyes to flat Earth being bullshit...

The spinning ball in outer space lie has it's legions of deceivers as well as the truly indoctrinated angrily defending it. It's also hard to tell them apart.

Ok here I'll give it a shot:

1. So the circumference of the Earth is 24,901 miles. When picturing the horizon, you're thus alienating a two dimensional section that equates to a circle of equal circumference. With 360 degrees in a circle, wouldn't that mean that you would need to use a horizon photo that covers 70 miles to show even 1 degree of curvature? If so, then what is your 20 mile photo going to show, and a downward angle at that?

2. Are you certain the Suez canal doesn't curve? I mean it would curve less than 2 degrees if my previous math is right, but how do we know it doesn't do that? Has anyone provided a 120-mile-long rigid plank to see if it rests gently at points of equal altitude at both ends of the canal?

3. How about the flat perspective regarding the sun? How come people on this world can see the sun when others can't if the sun is hanging over a flat world?

4. Let's go with the ol' kindergarten one, too. How come you can watch a ship disappear down behind the horizon as it sails away from shore?

Have you ever gotten in a car and drove East or wesT for several hours? Compare the time that the sun appears on the horizon to when it rose from your home. It is different. Why? Because the earth is round and the sun rises and different times due to the curve. So, are you saying the earth is a curved flat surface or are you saying you have never driven a great distance?

Top left. The line does not match up on either side with the middle. Looks a lot like...A CURVE

Drop droplets of water onto the face of a penny. The surface of the water is curved.

the earth is 85,345,714,285,714,285,714,286 times the size of a person. Take a ball and zoom in on the surface by 85,345,714,285,714,285,714,286 times then look at the horizon of that ball.

I bet it "looks" flat from that perspective.

Really what you've realized is perspective can make things appear one way when they are actually another.

flat earthers have no concept of the idea of perspective, let alone the comprehension of how large our planet is compared to them.

Have you ever flown? Looking out the window at 33000' is proof enough of a spherical planet to me.

https://youtu.be/4jEz03Z8azc

What the hell are you on about? Do you even know what a McDonald's sign looks like?

Except all those people are the ones that actually engineered it.

They are awkward nerds that get self-conscious know they are being filmed. If what you're saying is true, why hire shitty actors with apparently that much money to spend.

Also why has not one globe Earth actor or shill should have come out anonymously?

They don't get an immediate message from Mars, why do you think that is the case?

These engineers need more then thumbnails to create a rocket.

You're the one here who is drinking flat Earth cool aid, wondering why the curve changes when the altitude adjusts..

How could you ever check that if you never know when it was actually send from Mars?

Yep. We aren't on a spinning wet ball rocketing through "outer space." Modern scientism has caused humanity to abandon their common sense in favor of mathematical constructs based on faulty assumptions and unproven theories.

You are retarded... stop eating paint chips.

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You can do this experiment on your own if you fly, or even driving. A mechanical gyroscope will maintain it's horizon level orientation regardless of how far you go. If we were dipping over a curve the gyroscope will show since it's designed to show off axis movement.

How do flat earthers explain solar and lunar eclipses where you can see the roundness of the earth on the moon or visa versa.

The difference between FE and all the examples you just gave (outrageous as they are) is that FE is actually disprovable and has been disproved many times in many ways. You cant really prove something doesn't exist like god, lizard people, or bigfoot can you? So things like that are actually fun to indulge even if far fetched. I would also argue that lizard people and the like are not really the focus of this sub and brought up far less (lately at least) than FE nonsense.

If I saw a FE post once a week I honestly wouldn't care. Its become multiple times per day though and it always goes exactly the same way. Bunch of BS "experiments" done by know nothing people and posta of the same tired youtube videos with laughable arguments a child could reason past. Its boring and basically spam on this sub.

Sorry about that. Couldn't resist.