It's certainly interesting times. Not sure if the memo is due tomorrow now, or I have heard it will more likely be the 5th by the time its passed through congress again.

The most beautiful wrench thrown into a gearbox = GEOTUS

No matter the outcome, the goal Bannon stated him and Trump had of bring down the entire Fed brick by brick is coming full circle. And I'm in tears

If you want to change your life, cutting off your leg is probably not the best way to go about it.

American workers are about to get fucked hard.

American workers get fucked over whether there's a R or a D in office. We're always getting fucked no matter what, that doesn't mean some good things can't happen too. And Trump disrupting the corrupt system has led to some good. Look at all the members of Congress deciding to retire unexpectedly, for example. Trump being a spanner in the works creates a lot of opportunities. Exposing crimes by spy fucks is one positive opportunity we've been afforded even though the government keeps fucking us just as hard as it did when Obama was president

Dude what? my entire point was we will be far worse off without federal oversight then any other time in the past 100 years.

Shit is definitely about to get real weird.

Seriously.

Civil War

I dont think so.

I think more like war of words and policies. Not brother on brother

We've been teased that shit us about to go down to various degrees for over a year. The current political system in the USA needs to change but I've got a serious case of blue balls from far too much foreplay.

For me, this memo will solidify which direction things are going.

1 A major overhaul to the system

2 A lifetime of political theater & propaganda out if the USA.

The teasing won't end and will likely just fizzle in a year or so. Nothing big is going to come from any of this.

Please educate me how I can list two items with numbers, that's all I tried to do.

Block, report, full thread & your profile are all what is available to me on the Reddit is fun mobile app. You can spez my comment to make it right if you want.

So, let me get this straight....

A Republican presidential candidate makes unfounded claims of being wiretapped.

A long-term investigation into that Republican presidential candidate, now president, which is being run by a Republican I might add, is beset by allegations of bias.

Another highly-partisan Republican writes a secret memo that claims to show illegal actions by intelligence communities and the previous administration.

And, somehow, this unvetted document is supposed to dismantle and protect the president against the year-long methodical investigation?

How incredibly convenient....

So you are essentially saying that if Muller finds that Trump obstructed justice that he is not going to be held accountable for it? Is that right?

But if Trump did engage in collusion, isn't that the entire basis for using 702? It's about collecting on US persons that are in association with foreign surveillance targets. So that really wouldn't be abuse?

If that is the case, then the real conspiracy is this memo being used as a coverup to hide potentially one of the greatest crime ever committed by a President.

Arguably, the opposite is true as well. If Trump didn't collude and 702 was used abusively, then Obama committed one of the greatest crimes by a President.

Considering the timing of this memo, it leads to a certain conclusion however. Trump has been President for over a year now. Why is the abuses of FISA only now being revealed?

The biggest shit show would be if both were true. Lets say that people in the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians, maybe even the Mercers. The FBI catches them by using illegal surveillance methods. In order to make the evidence legal, the FBI lies to the FISA courts and maybe even manufactures some evidence.

So basically FBI does something illegal in order to catch Trumps campaign doing something illegal. Now that would be a shit show.

So, let me get this straight....

Nope, you failed at every point.

A Republican presidential candidate makes unfounded claims of being wiretapped.

Already admitted that his campaign manager was wiretapped while staying and Trump tower. You fail even without the disclosure of the contents of the memo.

A long-term investigation into that Republican presidential candidate, now president, which is being run by a Republican I might add, is beset by allegations of bias.

The investigation that has only led to convictions of Republicans is now biased. You just said that.

Another highly-partisan Republican writes a secret memo that claims to show illegal actions by intelligence communities and the previous administration.

Doesn't have anything to do with partisanship. You just made that up because you don't have anything else to attack him with. He's a member of the Intelligence Committee. In other words, it's his job to know this stuff, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

And, somehow, this unvetted document is supposed to protect the president and dismantle the year-long methodical investigation?

You just made up the "unvetted" part. The majority of the House Intelligence Committee agrees with the findings of the document.

How incredibly convenient

Stop making things up.

The majority of the House Intelligence Committee agrees with the findings of the document.

Yeah, the Republican majority of the committee.

It's just a cover up, plain and simple. And, since the Republicans control everything, it'll never be exposed as the bullshit it is.

Are you disavowing your false claim that Trump was not wiretapped or not?

How is it false?

How is it false?

Go read the memo.

I did. Still don’t see how it’s false. The memo is bullshit until I can see the reports it is referencing.

The memo is bullshit until I can see the reports it is referencing.

That's blatantly idiotic logic for multiple reasons, including the primary documents being classified and thus illegal for you to see. But all of your comments are just short, aggressive, disruptive attacks like this, and you never talk about facts. Blocked and reported.

No, it’s just that I don’t trust Nunes. Do you trust politicians?

Please provide me a source which proves Trump was wiretapped.

And don't try that shit again where you use proof of someone else being wiretapped as proof that Trump was wiretapped.

Only a trump supporter could look at Manafort being wiretapped, and conclude that that's actually good for the Trump admin.

You literally just said that wiretapping his campaign manager while he was living at Trump Tower isn't proof that they had wiretapped Trump Tower, which is exactly what he said.

Only a trump supporter

Implying that I can't be trusted because I'm partisan. I have only talked about facts that can be verified. You, on the other hand, have demonstrably lied and demonstrated significant Trump Derangement Syndrome, as evidenced by your inability to be objective about anything related to Donald Trump. You are the partisan, you argue like a disruptive troll, and I have no more time for your bullshit.

Lol no it's fucking not what you said. You claim Trump was wiretapped. He was not.

It's already admitted that his campaign manager was wiretapped while staying and Trump tower. You fail even without the disclosure of the contents of the memo.

Ah, so the candidate was not wiretapped. Unless he was speaking with someone who was being wiretapped for a valid reason. So... that's nothing.

The investigation that has only led to convictions of Republicans is now biased. You just said that.

I mean I would be surprised to find Trump and co working with Democrats, so it's not too much of a surprise it's Republicans being caught.

Doesn't have anything to do with partisanship. You just made that up because you don't have anything else to attack him with. He's a member of the Intelligence Committee. In other words, it's his job to know this stuff, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

I mean if Nunes isn't partisan the word has no meaning. He himself would happily admit to only being for the GOP in ever way. If Nunes isnt partisan Pelosi isn't.

You just made up the "unvetted" part. The majority of the House Intelligence Committee agrees with the findings of the document.

Yes, down party lines every Republican thinks the document drafted by a partisan Republican is accueate, but doesn't want to show the public the documents they draw that conclusion from or the opposing sides view. Seems normal for a skeptical conspiracy theorist to support this, yeah totally organic.

Ah, so the candidate was not wiretapped.

Yes, he was. Trump Tower was wiretapped, and the NSA director Admiral Rogers had to tell Trump that, which caused him to immediately move his operation. They also wiretapped the White House, which is why there were renovations done to remove them when they were detected.

Unless he was speaking with someone who was being wiretapped for a valid reason.

Read the memo. The reason was a deliberately falsified document from a known partisan paid for with campaign money from his opponent in the 2016 presidential election.

I mean if Nunes isn't partisan the word has no meaning.

It doesn't have much meaning, and is irrelevant. This is basic logic, ad hominem. Attacking the speaker doesn't refute their claim.

You need to work on being a convincing skeptic pa

You are being far too aggressive to convince me that you are anything other than someone attempting to actively disrupt the discussion here. You also posted within a short time after other accounts with similar post histories that now have similar vote totals on their comments.

It's already admitted that his campaign manager was wiretapped while staying and Trump tower. You fail even without the disclosure of the contents of the memo.

"You're wrong about Trump lying about Obama wiretapping him, because ackhtually his campaign manager (who has been convicted of money laundering) was being wiretapped for money laundering!!!"

Doesn't have anything to do with partisanship. You just made that up because you don't have anything else to attack him with. He's a member of the Intelligence Committee. In other words, it's his job to know this stuff, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're referring to Nunes, yes? The man who ran out of an uber in the middle of the night so he could inform the President on the investigation? Yeah. That's totally the type of thing I expect from the unbiased head of the committee on the investigation. Oh, and let's not forget that his own republican colleagues admit he invented the unmasking drama. And he just admitted to editing sections of the memo after it was voted on and before it was sent to the President for review. In other words, he lied to the committee and sent the President a document that they did not agree to send.

You just made up the "unvetted" part. The majority of the House Intelligence Committee agrees with the findings of the document.

The majority of the republicans agree with the findings. The democrats do not, and neither does the FBI.

Stop making things up.

Literally everything you just said was a lie.

"You're wrong about Trump lying about Obama wiretapping him, because ackhtually his campaign manager (who has been convicted of money laundering) was being wiretapped for money laundering!!!"

Way to admit every material fact relevant to the claim and still not understand why this means you're wrong.

A Republican presidential candidate makes unfounded claims of being wiretapped.

But his claims were not unfounded. The Nunes memo is based on a report by Admiral Rogers (performed March 2017) that reportedly details the wiretapping. Rogers reported this to Trump in August 2017. We just don't know the details of either the report or memo yet.

Generally when you have meetings with russian spies/agents you can expect that may cause you to be surveiled by the fbi.

The types of releases are always on a Friday when officals are out and the public is focused on their weekend.

Don't they realise that most people are at home, on the internet on the weekends?

It's not the 60s anymore where everyone is out BBQing, drinking and ignoring the world.

Yeah, you know, that's a good point. You've made me realize that as I am aging, my perception of how the world is, at times, not how it really works.

Everyone’s got their phone in their hands these days. Reddit is responsible for at least 10% of my daily distractions.

Reddit eats up more of my free time than I care to admit

That's the point though - by Monday when you are going back into the real world, it's old news and not talked about as much

With no access to the outside world other than land-line phone calls or the evening news. No 24 hour news, no internet in your pocket. I remember it as a much simpler time because it was for most people. We sat around talking and doing things. But little was ever accomplished compared to now. People can communicate throughout the day, updating shopping lists, where to meet instead of having to set up a time the day before, going over plans with family, the list goes on. We are way more productive, but also somehow miss the simple things more.

back in the early 80s in houston when i was a kid, we used to have blue laws that prevented any businesses from being open on sundays. then they were struck down as a violation of the 1st amendment. i remember how excited everyone was that we could now do stuff on sundays.

now i wish they'd bring the blue laws back. it doesn't have to be sunday. odins day works for me. right smack dab in the middle of the week.

after irma in sept i was out of power for about 6 days and ATT and comcast were out for almost a month. other than the heat and humidity that made it feel like the 7th rung of hell, i really liked how quiet it was. how dark it would get. people strolling around at night with flashlights just to get out of the house. not having internet or tv for three weeks showed me how evil the internet and tv are. if i could have had the air conditioner, it would almost have been pleasant.

Nice story, thanks.

last time my carpool broke down in Oklahoma, laws or not, on a Sunday, the only thing open was the dinner bar, motels, and the churches. took 3 days before the car up and going. and the first 1/2 of that was just cause it was the Sabbath.....

I'm not sure that pouring over and being inundated with far more information than you actually want or need to be able to do the same things that we did in the past is necessarily being any more "productive" when it comes to getting them done.

Life was far more spontaneous and lively with many choices made on the spot and on the spur of the moment. Far happier when they worked out and far more accepting and willing to shrug them off and try something completely different when they didn't.

More direct face to face and impromptu meetings and conversations with other human beings simply as a matter of course. A more homogenous view of ourselves and our society because it actually was far more homogenous and far less fragmented, divided, and contentious than it is now.

Moreover we did get things done and actually were more inventive and creative as matter of necessity. If there was more or better information we lacked we didn't have the time it would take to track it down and find it. So you did your own best thinking and what your strongest intuition suggested and ran with it and the more you did the better you simply got to be at it.

hell, i wouldn't mind going back to a day when library cards where actual cards and the dewy decimal system meant something.

Right? People tear through a weeks worth of news and drops in a 48 hour period. Why? Because TV and Hollywood suck and we have nothing to watch. Their fault.

No, they're just ignoring the world by watching TV and glued to their phones.

In the 60's alot of people read the Sunday paper, infact it was the most popular.

That's when you're suppose to fire someone in the workplace. It gives them weekend to get thier head straight, so they don't come in the next day and make a scene.

And the Super Bowl is this weekend which would help distract people

Yep. Biggest television event of the year in the US. If you're dropping something in hopes of it getting ignored, this would be the weekend to do it

I got 2 buddies who work in FBI, there are rumors of an attack on the SB and Minneapolis has little Mogadishu community Muslims near the stadium, perfect for a false flag or psy op.

A sandwich truck in the parking lot is not 'in' the FBI.

If you believe the leaks/rumors the memo says that the FBI obtained a FISA warrant using the Steele dossier as evidence without informing the court of the Hillary campaign's involvement in the creation of that dossier.

If you believe the leaks/rumors the memo omits mentioning all of the other evidence that was used in obtaining that FISA warrant and gives a distorted picture that the Steele dossier was the only evidence used to obtain that warrant when it might not have been even the most materially important piece of evidence used in that FISA hearing.

There is no other evidence. None. You are spreading CIA talking points.

Wishful thinking?

Wishful thinking?

Are you asking me a question or just providing a shitty two-word response for someone to vote bot to try to control the narrative and dupe people into thinking anyone in here trusts the CIA?

Prediction: everyone disagreeing with you is going to get a similar number of downvotes as you get upvotes.

Predicted responses: "Not everyone who disagrees is a shill, REEEEE!"

"You think someone pays people to change the votes, REEEEE!"

Your move, totally-real-person-who-trusts-the-CIA.

Or ... I'm just being flippant.

Or ... I'm just being flippant.

So, you're trolling, which violates the rules. And, having admitted your comment is shit, please explain why it is getting upvoted while my comment disagreeing with it somehow magically gets downvoted at roughly the same rate.

please explain why it is getting upvoted while my comment disagreeing with it somehow magically gets downvoted at roughly the same rate.

What the hell are you talking about? As I post this comment, my first comment in this chain has 2 karma, my 2nd has -1, and my 3rd has 0. I don't know what karma you're raking in because I can't see them, and I don't care.

Accuse people of spreading CIA talking points

Implying that there is any question whether you are spreading CIA talking points about Russia.

You're going to have to quote the part of the article you linked that shows that I was using talking points distributed by the CIA. I can't find it.

I don't even see in that article where it discusses the FISA court hearing described in the Nunes memo at all.

You said

If you believe the leaks/rumors the memo omits mentioning all of the other evidence that was used in obtaining that FISA warrant

This is false CIA propaganda. There is no evidence to support the FISA warrant, because the only "Russian collusion" that happened was under the Obama administration with Uranium One et. al.

Are you arguing that any evidence the FBI possibly used in order to obtain the FISA warrant, aside from the Steele dossier, is non-existant or that it is false since it likely came via intelligence sources?

Are you arguing that any evidence the FBI possibly used in order to obtain the FISA warrant, aside from the Steele dossier, is non-existant or that it is false since it likely came via intelligence sources?

No, I'm saying it's objectively false because it doesn't exist and the "intelligence sources" have already been revealed to have actively fabricated stories about the president in order to keep him out of office, or undermine him.

How could you forget that sub is supposed to trust the CIA with all it's heart now.

But trusting the president and other Republicans is better?

Regardless of your speculation, the fact that the a fabricated political smear document was used at all is an egregious abuse of the system.

We'll have to agree to disagree over whether it is a fabricated political smear document for now. If that is, however, an accurate description of the Steele dossier, and the FBI knew and/or believed that the dossier was fabricated at the time they used it in the FISA hearing, then under those circumstances, I'd agree that using it at all was an egregious abuse of the system.

That's fair.

There is 0 chance of a Trump impeachment, and everyone know it. Not only do they not have the votes, it would lead to civil unrest because it would be done without any legal basis that Trump's supporters would accept. You can't just remove a sitting president because of some contrived technical violation when he has all of the cops, military, and the gunowners on his team.

You just described a dictator....

Yawn. Obvious distraction is obvious.

"Everyone start talking about their subjective opinions of Trump instead of substantive realpolitik analysis!"

Like a fox news distraction?

Not a distraction, and your attempts to try to divert this back into the channel of partisan politics by invoking another controversial subject (Fox News) is not going to work. Have a downvote.

your attempts to try to divert this back into the channel of partisan politics

Did you watch the video? because its not about fox news itself but propaganda they're trying to push by literally distracting there viewers with a car chase instead of the story about trump trying to fire mueller but thanks for the downvote can I have another one haha

No one here cares if he fires Mueller. We all know the Russian collusion story is CIA-created nonsense, and we know how Mueller covered up 9/11 as FBI director. He deserves to be fired, tried, and given the death penalty for treason.

Does that not sound like a dictator to you? Cops on his side, military on his side, some citizens with guns on his side, all preventing the legal removal of him. Doesn’t sound like a leader that values the rule of law.

None of those are relevant to whether he is a dictator, and he is objectively not a dictator. Donald Trump was elected by a strong majority of the people (wait until they unravel the millions of fake votes from the 2016 election) and is being opposed by the dictatorial forces in the intelligence community, which are a proxy for the oligarchy that really runs things.

Most of what you said is a lie.

Most of what you said is a lie.

One line response that doesn't talk about facts? Pretty obvious disruption technique. Blocked and reported.

Ok. The point still stands; most of your post wasn’t true.

Dictators don't have term limits.

"Technical violation" "knowing about a russian campaign to damage your political opponent and not telling anyone" "laundering money for sketchy russians with close ties to kremlin"

One of these things is not like the others.

"knowing about a russian campaign to damage your political opponent and not telling anyone"

Lol, totally made up. "They hacked Pokemon Go!"

"laundering money for sketchy russians with close ties to kremlin"

You're saying that Donald Trump laundered money for russians? Please, post all of the evidence you have for this. And if you don't have any evidence, I'd suggest not libeling litigious individuals like Donald Trump in the future.

russia: we have damaging information about clinton trump jr: lol cool lets meet irl

on point two your just going to have to be a little patient, ok?

russia: we have damaging information about clinton trump jr: lol cool lets meet irl

That's not illegal, and Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing, except worse. She paid a British intelligence agent, Steele, to craft a document to not only discredit her opponent, but to justify wiretapping him.

In fact, that's not even problematic. If the Russians could prove criminality on Hillary's part (I'm sure they can), the American people deserve to know that, don't they?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. We don't have all the facts yet, do we?

As for clinton, if there's something she could be charged for, why hasn't she been charged? Fully within the ability of sessions to do. Still nothing. By all means, go for it though. The only people who still care about clinton are trump supporters.

As for clinton, if there's something she could be charged for, why hasn't she been charged?

"If"? You're in r/conspiracy and you don't think Hillary Clinton has committed any crimes? I'm pretty suspicious.

We don't have all the facts yet, do we?

We have plenty of facts indicating that the whole "Russian collusion" narrative was fabricated by Hillary and British intelligence. People need to be charged with treason and seditious conspiracy, and sanctions need to be considered against Britain.

The only people who still care about clinton are trump supporters.

Or, you know, people who care about treason, sedition, and murder being punished?

The first motherfucker who has the balls to really go on record, hopefully on live TV about the shit that is going on will be a hero.

Hopefully doesn't become a martyr.

they will be which is why they need to band together and do it together...they cant all be killed...way too much credence if that was to happen

they cant all be killed

well, they tries with that dumpster truck the other day.

What next:?

We'll all just hang back and drink a beer. Just like always.....

an hero

Honestly, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to this scandal.

Nearly a year ago, I was explaining to my co-worker how the Obama admin and our IC's likely abused FISA to commit political espionage on Hillary's opponents, and how this scandal was far more egregious than Watergate. Our MSM is such blatant propaganda that most people still don't realize this, and many still wont accept it even after the Memo. In truth, nothing would convince many people. That's the power of propaganda.

Regardless of my dislike for Trump my ears perked up a lot the last few days because Democrat politicians and those in the MSM on the left politically have raised an all mighty stink about this memo—full tantrum mode at times. Why? That just makes me believe that there's actually something tangible in this memo and they are freaking out and attempting to distract. If the memo were nonsense and easily disputed then why freakout? All the MSM big newspapers are plastered with headlines already stating that the memo is just Republican smoke and mirrors and is meaningless and just political even before anyone has seen it.....why? Why the fear? Maddow is whining on and on about it, even though she lives off leaks and propaganda and innuendos.

Let's get it out in the public sphere and read it and then judge it, shall we?

Let's get it out in the public sphere and read it and then judge it, shall we?

Yes, let's get the primary information documents out to the public to judge. Instead we are getting a partisan, second-hand cherry picking from a person who was directly a part of Trump's campaign.

Yes, let's get the primary information documents out to the public to judge. Instead we are getting a partisan, second-hand cherry picking from a person who was directly a part of Trump's campaign.

Same can be said for the Steele Dossier. Were you whining about that, huh?

If the information is so easily taken down then why the temper tantrum? The Democrats in Congress can release their own "memo" whenever they want, giving their "version"—even before the Nunes memo is released. What's stopping them?

It's funny to me that Democrats are freaking out over this memo and are making the same arguments that correlate to why the Steele Dossier should never have been leaked and published, but then again those in Congress actually leaked it to the press.

The Democrats in Congress can release their own "memo" whenever they want, giving their "version"—even before the Nunes memo is released. What's stopping them?

I mean that's just like, factually 100% incorrect and has been pointed out all over this sub for days.

I mean that's just like, factually 100% incorrect and has been pointed out all over this sub for days.

Prove me wrong. Nothing is truly stopping anyone from creating and releasing that memo. Republicans are in control of the intelligence committee involved and they had a procedural vote to release the Nunes memo but they didn't have to do that vote in order to release it. Just like Feinstein releasing the Fusion GPS transcripts wasn't illegal but it went against the Republicans.

Again, prove it. Schiff and others can leak it whenever they want to but they are holding back because the Republicans "blocked them", which is BS and you parrot the official Democrat line like it's actually real.

Also you need to get a bit harder to hire your biases. Saying "I don't like Trump no really guys" doesn't cut it anymore when you go as hard as you do in the paint for the establishment.

My post history speaks for itself. Quote me. Show evidence. Back it up. I'll wait.

Same can be said for the Steele Dossier. Were you whining about that, huh?

The Steele Dossier is a collection of HUMINT, what exactly is comparable to this memo? As well, I'd absolutely love to have released the full transcripts/notes of all the conversations Steele had with sources. Provided, of course, that they didn't compromise anyone's identity.

If the information is so easily taken down then why the temper tantrum?

What temper tantrum? I just stated that selective transparency can be used to mislead. The issue is that the information this memo is based off of is classified, we don't exactly know what is or isn't true, except to take Nunes' word for it and he has every reason to be misleading.

The Democrats in Congress can release their own "memo" whenever they want, giving their "version"—even before the Nunes memo is released. What's stopping them?

The Democrats did write their own memo, the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee voted not to allow the release of that memo. Again, the information is classified and needs to go through a process in order to be declassified, that process is being abused to disallow Democrats from rebutting the memo.

The Steele Dossier is a collection of HUMINT, what exactly is comparable to this memo? As well, I'd absolutely love to have released the full transcripts/notes of all the conversations Steele had with sources. Provided, of course, that they didn't compromise anyone's identity.

Are we going to play this game? Really? Why aren't unverified accusations by a third party that was paid by the Clinton campaign through Fusion GPS—whose founder actually met with the Trump Tower Russian lawyer the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr—similar to a memo who Democrats claim is partisan and unverified and comes from a former member of the Trump transition team (Nunes)? O come on. The same claims that Republicans lobbied at the Dossier are the same claims Democrats are making to stop the release of this memo. You can't put 2 + 2 together? Okay.....

What temper tantrum?

Haven't been paying attention to the mainstream media, have we?

The issue is that the information this memo dossier is based off of is classified, we don't exactly know what is or isn't true, except to take ~~Nunes' ~~ Fusion GPS's word for it and it has every reason to be misleading.

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The Democrats did write their own memo, the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee voted not to allow the release of that memo. Again, the information is classified and needs to go through a process in order to be declassified, that process is being abused to disallow Democrats from rebutting the memo.

The Democrats don't have to have a procedural vote to release it. You are just parroting the Democrat line. "The big bad Republicans are stopping us from releasing this memo even though we've leaked a shit ton of material ourselves the last year. Classified material so our hands are tied...." Bullshit. Didn't stop Feinstein from releasing that Fusion GPS transcript against the wishes of Republicans, did it? You take Schiff and others word, hook, line and sinker.

Why aren't unverified accusations

Not accusations, reports of what various sources were saying in the intelligence community.

by a third party

Why is this a bad thing? Third parties means less bias.

that was paid by the Clinton campaign through Fusion GPS

That was paid for by multiple sources both Republican and Democrat. As well, Steele ended up leaving the employ of Fusion GPS and working on the dossier pro bono towards the end.

Haven't been paying attention to the mainstream media, have we?

What does that have to do with this conversation? I'm not on the mainstream media, you're building up a strawman to tear down.

The issue is that the information this memo dossier is based off of is isn't classified, we don't exactly know what is or isn't true, except to take Nunes' Fusion GPS's word for it and it has every reason to be misleading.

Why does Fusion GPS have every reason to be misleading? They do work for multiple different groups, their reputation relies on being able to provide accurate opposition research.

Didn't stop Feinstein from releasing that Fusion GPS transcript against the wishes of Republicans, did it?

That transcript was unclassified, kind of a different story, now isn't it?

I dislike Trump

The dossier is fake news he's innocent it's all lies fuck you

Hmmmm.

The dossier has already been confirmed in several places and Steel, as well as the FBI and democrats, have acknowledged that the information within the dossier was unconfirmed but likely due to the credibility of the investigator who complied the document.

The memo has not been confirmed, and is based on the writings of a man who ran out of an uber in the middle of the night to have a meeting on the white house lawn so he could inform the president on the investigation whose committee he heads, whose own republican colleagues admit invented the wiretapping bullshit, and who just admitted to altering the memo before giving it to the white house after the committee voted on it.

The mere fact that he literally used and is still using his position as the head of a committee investigating the president, to inform the president on this investigation, is proof enough that he is the farthest thing from credible.

You're a trump sucking fuck that's lying about how you're totally an independent.

I dislike Trump

The dossier is fake news he's innocent it's all lies fuck you

Hmmmm.

Right, because thinking that Trump is a piece of shit and that Democrats and the intelligence community are equal pieces of shit is somehow unheard of.....

The black and white, hyper partisan logic is tired. Try again.

The dossier has already been confirmed in several places

No, it hasn't. Beyond a few cases of X person did in fact meet with Y person on such and such date, none of the accusations within it have been verified. None. Zip. Try again.

The memo has not been confirmed, and is based on the writings of a man who ran out of an uber in the middle of the night to have a meeting on the white house lawn so he could inform the president on the investigation whose committee he heads, whose own republican colleagues admit invented the wiretapping bullshit, and who just admitted to altering the memo before giving it to the white house after the committee voted on it.

Been watching too much Rachel Maddow, have we? How about we play this game. For every claim made in your paragraph, link to a credible news source giving validity to exactly what you stated. Just facts, no narrative peddling. I'll wait.

You're a trump sucking fuck that's lying about how you're totally an independent.

Yeah, I'm a registered Independent who voted for Clinton. My post history is open and available. Try again, sweet pea.

No one said it was ideal. If it's fucky everyone will be screaming for the full story and they'll either have to leak or cave.

If it's fucky everyone will be screaming for the full story

And how exactly will people know that's it's "fucky" when any corroborating or exculpatory evidence is still being hidden?

How about Nancy Pelosis trainwreck earlier this week. The lady look deeply concerned and her speech patterns indicated a deep fear.

are you referring to Nancy Pelosi trainwrecking, or the trainwreck that Nancy Pelosi is behind?

Spice!

Or they think it’s bullshit and they’re saying so.

Let's get it out in the public sphere and read it and then judge it, shall we?

No, I’d much prefer the information that it’s based on to be released along with the other memo. Why not go full transparency and release everything instead of an unverifiable potential opinion piece(that applies to the other memo too)?

I want to see the cuffs come out and the bars get slammed shut. These corrupt fuckers should rot in jail. Hopefully the hype isn’t for nothing.

I just want to get through the next couple of weeks/months of partisan craziness over this. Neither side is going to be moved off their positions by memos written by some of the other side’s congressmen.

We need the IG report to come out to find out what really happened.

R/conspiracy the land of tomorow

"many in Congress no doubt feel that campaigns (including their own!) should be sacred in some sense."

This part frustrates me. Not only do the politicians feel this way but so do their most rabid supporters. If you supported Obama when he was running you probably thought the birth certificate scandal was offensive. If you supported Trump you maybe though he had a right to keep his tax returns private. Why? I understand the tabloid-esque nature of the news coverage can seem offensive, but why should someone running g for public office not be thoroughly scrutinized? Serious backgrounds checks and disclosures should be the norm. Maybe they should have to pass some sort of poly-graph or enhanced interrogation (after all it's not torture, just information gathering, doesn't hurt). I live close to Seattle where Mayor Ed Murray just resigned under the cloud of a pretty horrific scandal. How the background info on him didn't come to light years ago is baffling. A simple background investigation would have yielded the info needed to disqualify him from office.

The problem is - if Trump is being investigated over nothing, by a corrupt agency, then no, we cant let it be.

I agree. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that point. When I stated that the feds should have to come clean about it at some point that's what I meant, just wasn't quite clear enough.

I'd like to take a moment to point out to everyone following this story that there's still no evidence that directly implicates Trump in colluding with Russia or working on behalf of the Kremlin. AND YET here we are talking about how a FISA memo that points to abuses by our intelligence agencies in the pursuit of said evidence is partisan and inaccurate. Funny how we skipped over real evidence of the "crime" of collusion and went straight to this.

Awesome! You have the FISA memo! Please Share.

I'm for transparency and I think sub can agree our government eludes it exceptionally well. This FISA memo should be considered on its own merit rather than pre-emptively attacking Nunes for his character (ad hom).

Giving Nunes the benefit of the doubt that he's not being purposely deceptive, if the FBI went to court with a list of 40 pieces of evidence, and the Nunes memo implies that the FBI presented only one, do you think that the memo presents an accurate and complete picture to Americans of the FBIs actions?

You know Nunes voted to reauthorize the FISA court in January without the restrictions that some members of the house and senate proposed. Seems the only person's civil rights he cares about are Trump's.

We’re talking about collusion, it isn’t really the kind of thing where you’d find hard evidence. That is, unless Trump’s emails were somehow hacked like Hillary’s. Unlikely considering the hackers appear to be on his side, and even if they weren’t he probably isn’t dumb enough to leave incriminating evidence on his emails like Hillary was.

We’re talking about collusion, it isn’t really the kind of thing where you’d find hard evidence.

That's because collusion isn't a crime - it doesn't indicate criminality in and of itself. It's really just a branding of the investigation to discover if Trump did anything nefarious with regard to releasing the DNC emails and affecting the election. It evolved into investigating all sorts of other things along the way as other information became available. There would most certainly be evidence of things like accepting payments from Russia for promises of easing economic sanctions, however.

probably isn’t dumb enough to leave incriminating evidence on his emails like Hillary was.

Glad we can agree that Hillary is a fucking idiot at the least.

My only question is...

If the past administration used the IRS to target political adversaries, why do some people find it so hard to believe that the FBI could be used the same way?

Hell they've been doing it for quite a while... JFK, MLK, etc

Please point out how Obama did anything that actually hurt political adversaries.... Obama directed the IRS to take a look at NEARLY EVERY SINGLE tax exempt charity in the Nation not just conservative leaning charities. The IRS used shortcuts by looking at names to determine the focus of the groups.

To be tax exempt charities have to be primarily concerned with the social welfare of the nation NOT politics. That’s why I never understood the outrage of them “going after” republicans.... they shouldn’t be banking on funding their political campaigns from any of those orgs anyways.

They literally apologized for doing it. https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

Oh no extra scrutiny

Supposedly, MI6 played a role in eavesdropping as well. Might be an interesting question for Brit journalists to check out.

If you think its wild now, wait until AFTER the 2018 elections and the leash is off

Unfortunately this is the reality we are going to face.

What gets me is how so many people who haven't read the memo are calling it "partisan". How can they even know that? This is supposed to be a massive overreach of power, kept secret and hidden from the public eye, and intended to stay that way. If its fake, then how could they possibly even know what the memo alleges?

Devin Nunes' credibility is suspect.

As someone that isn't fond of Trump or the intelligence community/rampant domestic spying, the question in the back of my mind this whole time is: Should anyone involved in a challenging party's campaign be immune from any investigations? I feel like that is a dangerous road to go down, but it seems to be a possible conclusion of the argument Trump supporters are making.

I mean they were publicly investigating Hilary and quietly investigating trump... so to be fair that only leaves Stein untouched.

They weren’t just quietly investigating. They were illegally recording and spying on the opposition team and lying to the court with fabricated evidence.

The problem isnt as simple as who watches the watchmen. The issue is theyre running a propaganda campaign (in general that should be a red flag) to discredit the media as well as the branches of government that deal with this. This propaganda campaign should be the target of conspiracy ire. It leads to an empirical cat and mouse game where nobody can investigate the president, the highest and for some reason therefore the least corrupt office in the land. This is false, nobody should be above the law.

It’s not about investigating. It’s about doing so legally. This memo is about the claim Trump made a year ago about his suite in Trump tower having been “wiretapped.”

That’s basically what Nixon did.

A FISA warrant was obtained on false grounds. Meaning it was illegal.

Or a FISA warrant was obtained on legit grounds and you know have the people who were caught up in the warrant attempting to discredit the investigation and investigators through lies and propaganda.

Sounds far more convoluted than the obvious: Russiagate is straight McCarthyism.

Should an incumbent party ever be allowed to investigate themselves? Allowing them to suggest downgrading investigations to “matters”?

All of these pieces of our government are theoretically supposed to be independent and impartial, but it shows the power political parties wield.

Yeah another really good point in all this. The Lynch and Bill stuff seemed pretty egregious to me. I agree that it seems that political parties have way too much power and influence over how things are actually run as opposed to the individuals holding those positions.

Don't hold your breath. It'll be as wild as the last year, with a revolving crew of political actors, plenty of fresh allegations of wrongdoing, thousands upon thousands of articles and expert "insight", swirling around a ever-spinning whirlpool that will ultimately only waste your time and attention. Wake me up when anything of actual importance comes of this.

I got 2 buddies who work in FBI, there are rumors of an attack on the SB and Minneapolis has little Mogadishu community Muslims near the stadium, perfect for a false flag or psy op.