FBI assistant director Kallstrom: Comey vulnerable to felony charges related to their use of dossier to obtain a FISA warrant on Trump. And now a second dossier assigned to Fusion whose data was fed by operative from within the Obama administration.
1 2018-02-06 by rockytimber
44 comments
1 Vienna1529 2018-02-06
This time for sure!
/s
1 Simplicity3245 2018-02-06
It should, but won't. These folks are untouchable.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-02-06
Why can't the DOJ which his headed by Trump appointees file charges? Because they don't have what it takes in court. It's that fucking simple. Trump runs the DOJ. It's part of the executive branch.
1 Simplicity3245 2018-02-06
It's just political grandstanding. These people do not actually want to dispense justice, odds are they would be up on the chopping block next. They're trying to call out dirt on the opposing side, but not enough to show that the whole process is just one huge corrupt corporate being, and both sides play to the tune sung.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-02-06
Interesting take. Almost every administration has indictments though. Some more than others. Some less. The previous one had less in 8 years than Trump had in 8 months.
1 come_on_sense_man 2018-02-06
Obama’s administration got a pass on a lot of scandals. Holder should have faced charges for perjury at the very least over fast and furious. Lynch May still face charges, but I doubt it.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-02-06
Now hilary is going to Jail for sure!
1 come_on_sense_man 2018-02-06
The truth is both sides pull this kind of shit, and a few flunkies catch the heat.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
This
1 Afrobean 2018-02-06
Talking like that only reinforces that stupid idea. You make them untouchable by calling them untouchable.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
From the first article
It's not debunked, it has been corroborated in several instances
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Carter Page got his FISA warrant in October 2016 - after he had left the campaign.
Also we know from Nunes memo that George Papadopoulos actually caused the FBI to open their counter intelligence operation months earlier
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/02/nunes-memo-fisa-trump-russia/
You fell for Nunes gambit.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
So, you agree its ok to have a partisan agenda controlling the FISA warrants and the witchhunt by partisan elements in the Justice department and FBI involved in the work of a special prosecutor? Got it.
But when Trump gets caught doing the same thing, your holy righteous indignation will shrill out like any prime snowflake. Yup. Got you figured.
I voted for Jill. I fell for nothing. I would like to see a semblance of rule of law in this country. You have exposed yourself.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
No I don't agree with that at all.
Uhh, you just created this scenario. Do you think Trump should abuse the FISA court?
That's nice.
Drat!
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Nothing stopping him, evidently. Is that how you like it?
We all know Trump is corrupt. Problem is some of us seem to like the corruption of Obama or Hillary.
Yeah, its a grey world, but this made up Cold War against Russia by the party that just took down Libya and was trying to take down Syria is outrageous. They didn't make all this war risk up for you and me, they made it up for themselves.
I am for exposing BOTH sides. You think continuing this game is in your interest.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
You make a lot of assumptions and I feel like discourse with you is pointless.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Nothing like your assumption that the Steele dossier was a valid basis for a FISA warrant. You have been exposed.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
The FISA warrant requires more evidence than one dossier.
FISA warrants require new evidence every time they are renewed.
Carter Page had at least 3 renewals.
That's 4 different times the FBI had to convince FISA judges that the warrants were necessary.
The judges agreed with the FBI.
So, for your theory that FISA courts are corrupt to be true - a dozen or so FBI agents working in tandem with several DOJ personnel conspired with the judges of the FISA court to unnecessarily monitor Carter Page, who had already left the Trump campaign.
If the FBI and DOJ wanted to taint Trump - why didn't they reveal publicly that they had a counter intelligence operation open because of Papadopoulos? Why did they not publicise Carter Pages FISA warrant before the election?
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Agree, some parts do not make sense unless you realize this is not about the rule of law, it is about politics, a battle between two factions of elites against each other neither of which have any true commitment to transparency or the law, BUT both of which have very strong survival instincts.
A book could be, and will be written on the last weeks before the election, probably starting with the Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch a week after one of Fusions reports was issued.
Other books have already been written that cover Trumps rise from a joke of a candidate to his surprise win and the huge reaction that followed. But no book can cover what was really going on with Comey in those last weeks before the election. We do know that Peter Strozek was privy to the way the investigation into Hillary email scandal had been handled and that the NY authorities handling Wiener were a loose cannon.
We also know the timing of the Wikileaks releases of material on Podesta and Hillary.
The election was close enough and the voting system obscure enough that we will never know how much some of the dirty tricks swung the outcome, redistricting, precincts with more votes than registered voters, Russia adds on facebook, there were issues on the margins. But the bigger elephant in the room is that a rich white male biggot could grab votes from a population the Republicans had long written off or why so many who had supported Obama wouldn't raise a finger for Hillary. The Democrats and liberals in general are wasting their time as if Pence would be any better except cosmetically.
The real issues are not in the orange idiot. Rome is burning.
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
Strzok was the agent who successfully reopened the Clinton investigation in the weeks before the election.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/fbi-agent-who-sent-anti-trump-texts-also-reopened-clinton-email-probe-2018-1
It appears he was able to put his personal bias aside and judged the matter on its merits. Which is exactly what you want from law enforcement.
How does this tie in with your battle of the elite factions?
To me this suggests the FBI was non-partisan in its work, it is only since Trump took office and repeatedly attacked the FBI that this issue even arose.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
no
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
Ok, why do you think Strzok reopened the Hillary investigation?
1 Chibibaki 2018-02-06
Do you even know what happened when it was reopened?
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
I don't know. Except that it took attention away from Wikileaks.
I think we have a right to know, but how can we?
1 4-7-2-3-9-8-5BREATHE 2018-02-06
Yes, it was closed again.
Not after a week of negative headlines for Clinton which likely contributed to her loss.
Comey gave a statement that damaged Clinton, that's why I don't believe he is biased.
1 Chibibaki 2018-02-06
Thats a very interesting reading of events. Strangeer still that your assessment of Comey seems completely devoid of what we now know of him.
1 starry7833378333 2018-02-06
He's not here to agree with you. He's here to take a shit on you. It's not okay what the FBI/DOJ did with that dossier. It was in fact illegal. Some of these cats perjured themselves. It is coming out. Ever so slowly. And the misinformation/distraction campaign is overwhelming. But there are rational people who see what this is. Anybody who can overlook Trump and can handle watching and comparing CNN and Fox with an open mind, will see the truth.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-02-06
Former Assistant. Did you omit that on purpose?
He has been out of public service for over 2 decades. He is chairman of the interest group MC-LEF, which Trump personally gave over $1 million dollars to.
Non-left-leaning source:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/03/trump-donation-went-to-poorly-rated-veterans-charity.html
He incorrectly references the nunes memo. And sites Uranium One. He's a hack.
Shit is not about to go down. Clinton will never be arrested for Uranium One. And Obama will never see a single arrest of anyone of his WH aides. Ever.
Trump might try to fire Mueller though, which is what seems to be the goal of these strories. In that sense: yes, shit might go down.
Your titles is broken. You post is a mistake.
1 Dougalishere 2018-02-06
nice summing up.thx
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Typical partisan rant. The bullseye hasn't shifted and you are living in make believe.
The proof: If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Trumps admin caught spying on Democratic opposition, you would have your pitchforks out to an even greater degree than what we are seeing right now. Hypocrite.
And everyone knows who Kallstrom is and that its former, but there are limits to how long you can make a title.
Again, you fucking partisan trolls are so predictable. I voted for Jill, I hate Trump, but I do give a shit that you trolls are helping to crash down any rule of law shreds we might still have in this country.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-02-06
Then you go on to cite your opinion.
You're a fake news spreading hack.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
One of us is spreading fake news. I am trying to document the battle between two sets of liars.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-02-06
We need to develop a wait-and-see attitude. Investigations like this take time. And the longer an investigation takes the more likely charges are going to be filed it's that simple.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Agree partly. Except that once the political winner is apparent, the charges may never get filed.
1 demonlicious 2018-02-06
retarded logic
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Cooler heads:
and
1 demonlicious 2018-02-06
you say it appears, while we already know it wasn't. the dutch intel started the investigation. hillary nor obama started the investigation on their own for political benefit.
hillary was already anti-putin. as a career politician she has the money, knowledge and duty to take an extra step to see what's going on in the world. if she paid a company to continue looking into something that was already started for a republican group, how is that inappropriate?
hillary is twice removed in all of this.
you got nothing else there would be charges filled even without the fbi.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
The Dutch are one of the most willing enablers of the US. We already know there are thousands of corrupt Russian expats lending money to casino mobsters.
Why isn't it obvious that the oligarchs have taken over everywhere, that the Podestas and Manaforts and Fusions are willing to take money from any filthy hand.
Especially now that it looks like Obama was personally harvesting over at the FBI.
If any real charges start getting filed, the will have to shut down Washington DC its a farce. Taking sides with Trump or Hillary/Obama is looking stupider by the day.
We could have been fixing the basic system instead of feeding in by playing along with this fake drama.
1 demonlicious 2018-02-06
you're a bit all over the place and I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
the world is complex, so we focus one problem at a time. right now, that's the treasonous party in power and russia issue.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
I think to do just that is to fall into a trap. Thats the deep state agenda to have us doing that.
1 demonlicious 2018-02-06
then the deep state just wins man. their world is no so bad, people like trump and other rich assholes are what make it shit.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
At least we aren't living in the Middle ages under the Pope and serfdom in villages where we are basically slaves who can't even travel and can't even read or get a tooth pulled.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
The deep state might have over extended itself and soon be running out of funding. We can hope that this empire like all empires, has a shelf life that is not forever.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-02-06
Keep on spreading that fake news.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
One of us is spreading fake news. I am trying to document the battle between two sets of liars.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-02-06
Interesting take. Almost every administration has indictments though. Some more than others. Some less. The previous one had less in 8 years than Trump had in 8 months.
1 Dougalishere 2018-02-06
nice summing up.thx
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Typical partisan rant. The bullseye hasn't shifted and you are living in make believe.
The proof: If the shoe was on the other foot and it was Trumps admin caught spying on Democratic opposition, you would have your pitchforks out to an even greater degree than what we are seeing right now. Hypocrite.
And everyone knows who Kallstrom is and that its former, but there are limits to how long you can make a title.
Again, you fucking partisan trolls are so predictable. I voted for Jill, I hate Trump, but I do give a shit that you trolls are helping to crash down any rule of law shreds we might still have in this country.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
This
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
So, you agree its ok to have a partisan agenda controlling the FISA warrants and the witchhunt by partisan elements in the Justice department and FBI involved in the work of a special prosecutor? Got it.
But when Trump gets caught doing the same thing, your holy righteous indignation will shrill out like any prime snowflake. Yup. Got you figured.
I voted for Jill. I fell for nothing. I would like to see a semblance of rule of law in this country. You have exposed yourself.
1 rockytimber 2018-02-06
Agree, some parts do not make sense unless you realize this is not about the rule of law, it is about politics, a battle between two factions of elites against each other neither of which have any true commitment to transparency or the law, BUT both of which have very strong survival instincts.
A book could be, and will be written on the last weeks before the election, probably starting with the Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch a week after one of Fusions reports was issued.
Other books have already been written that cover Trumps rise from a joke of a candidate to his surprise win and the huge reaction that followed. But no book can cover what was really going on with Comey in those last weeks before the election. We do know that Peter Strozek was privy to the way the investigation into Hillary email scandal had been handled and that the NY authorities handling Wiener were a loose cannon.
We also know the timing of the Wikileaks releases of material on Podesta and Hillary.
The election was close enough and the voting system obscure enough that we will never know how much some of the dirty tricks swung the outcome, redistricting, precincts with more votes than registered voters, Russia adds on facebook, there were issues on the margins. But the bigger elephant in the room is that a rich white male biggot could grab votes from a population the Republicans had long written off or why so many who had supported Obama wouldn't raise a finger for Hillary. The Democrats and liberals in general are wasting their time as if Pence would be any better except cosmetically.
The real issues are not in the orange idiot. Rome is burning.