Voat is like conspiracy unchecked. People just go with crazy stuff and no evidence. Here, there is an evidence pushback which is good. But the pro-Hillary/DNC establishment shills frustrate me night and day. Maybe the pro-Donald ones are just as frustrating. I just don't experience it.

If you view my disagreeing as me already being a shill, I think the issue may be your ability to discern critical criticism from shills.

I mean, shouldn't this be a bit eye-opening for you? This guy thinks you're a shill for disagreeing with him. You think that other people are shills for disagreeing with you. Assuming that you know you're not a shill, maybe you should consider that other people are not as well.

I think there is a segment of shills on here though. The evidence that Elgin Air Force Base was the biggest users shows that their is coordinated shilling. Who/what are they shilling for though?

And yes, I am sure that I am not a shill.

Yep, /u/pilgrimboy is here to stir up shit... /s

It's pilgrimboy, don't bother man.

Am I that much of a known commodity?

Yes.

That's not what I've seen when I go there so this may be a mileage-may-vary situation.

I generally go there every day. We could look at the top ten posts right now and the comments in them and evaluate, but I honestly don't have the time today.

Why can't you attack back here?

Rule 10. It's ban worthy to call people out. Just look at histories and see if the account is always defending the mainstream narrative of whatever issue. Everyone is on their own with that.

You can still fight back by actually addressing the content of the comment being made. If that's not enough, why would simply calling them a name change anything?

You cannot address any content with shills. They make illogical counter points and claim victory with constant ad hominem. It seems like they just try to bait people to break rule 10. If I ID a shill I'll just ignore.

If someone you disagree with make illogical points, why do you care and why do you keep arguing with them? Downvote and move on.

This is very good advice. Sometimes it's just hard to do.

Because the mods protect them.

If people don't like what you write, they call you a shill. So what is a shill, really? It is someone being paid to project or promote a narrative that they don't necessarily agree with personally, but are willing to do so for money. They exist, (We know the Zionists employ banks of them to flood any thread critical of Israel, for instance), but I don't think they are as widespread as you make out. It is quite possible for someone to disagree with you, without anybody paying them.

You have to go for smaller sub with a more singular theme to get the same kind of experience this sub used to offer. The current user experience on this sub now is enlightening in an entirely different way now.

r/conspiracyII is good, although doesn't have as active as a user-base....no political BS though, so thats good.

Sadly, the Antarctica sub doesn't have a whole lot of posting going on? What subs would you recommend?

Just discovered crazydaysandnights.net Some gold scattered in the movie gossip.

I cannot stand this sub anymore. anyone know of any actual conspiracy subs without all the shills? where everyone agrees with me?

FTFY

I agree. Too many liberals here. Liberals ruin everything.

Lol them damn liberals raping our churches and burning our women.

I mean... Kinda

The sub swings consistently between "both sides are the same!" and "Democrats are trying to destroy the country!"

Too many people using sweeping generalizations to simply classify complex views is more like it.

It's not an overgeneralization. They do ruin everything. Whether it's religion, the public schools, healthcare, the economy, social media, tv, movies, news, or sports...(even grid girls!!). There they are, liberals always fucking it up for everyone else.

Do you mind if I have a laugh about that claim?

not on reddit but there's always discussions on other social media platforms by truly independent investigators and journalists

shills are like ants and mosquitoes, just accept that they are there, and swat and squish when you can.

If you are convinced that this sub is full of shills, wouldn't they just follow the same links we post that you claim to desire?

Wouldn't that just spread the shills to other sites faster? ... are you just doing this to find new places to shill?

...are you the shill?

Maybe I'm paranoid... but this seems to be the right place for it.

Forums run by decent admins and moderators are where it's still at if you want actual discussion on the internet.

Upvotes/downvotes are way to easy to manipulate and leads to cancer that is reddit today.

This sub sucks because half (more?) of the threads ARE NOT ACTUAL CONSPIRACIES, just people with stupid thoughts or anger at current politics...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com

Raise your consciousness outside of the anger/fighting/name calling/etc. and you will find the websites/subs that will resonate with you.

You know...

You know...