Don't expect to know what goes on in Afghanistan as the US transfers troops/equipment from Iraq.
46 2018-02-08 by AIsuicide
As the US transfers troops and equipment from Iraq to Afghanistan it's important to understand that the rules of disclosures regarding our military have changed significantly under the Trump administration.
Personally, I didn't care for Trump's decision to let the Pentagon have so much control over what is allowed to be classified information.
Good article about this:
https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2018/02/afghanistan-secrecy/
From the article:
"So what used to be available that is now being withheld?
“It is basically casualty, force strength, equipment, operational readiness, attrition figures, as well as performance assessments,” said Mr. Sopko, the SIGAR.
“Using the new [classification criteria], I would not be able to tell you in a public setting or the American people how their money is being spent,” Mr. Sopko told Congress at a hearing last November."
So, if you know what you're actually reading in that first paragraph you can understand that our military forces are now operating at a level of secrecy that is very disturbing.
Accountability has always been what differentiates our military forces from mercenaries...we need to consider why that's always been important and push for more transparency and revocation of the new powers Trump gave the Pentagon.
43 comments
1 ewwwwwzipties 2018-02-08
But I thought trump was the good guy for the American people...
/s
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
The booming economy of an "active war" never gets questioned until the media starts airing footage of the caskets showing up at airports.
Now, I doubt the media would do that and I'm not sure we will even know considering these new laws of classified material.
1 ewwwwwzipties 2018-02-08
Pretty sure with the recent new hires in the MSM that won't be happening..
Oh look a school shooting
1 ShoulderGroove 2018-02-08
I'm from England and I live right next to the RAF base where our fallen soldiers get repatriated. It's a very public event that people attend all the way on the travel to the JR hospital (I believe!)
1 VR46 2018-02-08
“It is basically casualty, force strength, equipment, operational readiness, attrition figures, as well as performance assessments,”
As a former US Marine who has served my country and deployed to Afghanistan while also having friends currently deployed in war zones - I'm relieved our President has finally decided to stop being so transparent on the movements and actions of our forward operators.
Explain your reasoning for wanting those listed above to be public knowledge for the enemy leadership to get intel reports on daily. This should be good.
1 kit8642 2018-02-08
The other thing that's fucked is their objective in Afghanistan is literally to just kill terrorists. Although our actions there only creates more terrorists.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
Exactly. It's all that ever ends up happening. And now, it's very easy to get the media's help in "labeling" any group of people they want as terrorists. Doesn't matter what initially caused the people to react in such extreme levels.
1 kit8642 2018-02-08
I love people that try to argue our foriegn policy doesn't create more terrorism, then I point them to the 9/11 commission report that clearly says 9/11 was blow back for our foreign interventionism.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
It's a win/win for the MIC and surveillance state. Anybody that can't realize the long-term implications/outcome of this "strategy" are what I kindly refer to as useful idiots.
1 kit8642 2018-02-08
It is, and TPTB love it. The one thing that I do like about Trump, is he's a perfect representation of what's been going on for decades. Yes he's loud, racist, superficial, unapologetic, and cold blooded, but so is our foreign and domestic policies.
1 tauteur 2018-02-08
The point of this is to not let the enemy know what we are doing. With so much transparency, our tactics, motives, and moves give our adversaries clues as to our game plan.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
Casualty and attrition reports? What about those?
1 VR46 2018-02-08
He explained it already.
Giving the enemy casualty numbers and attrition reports does more damage to our forward ops than you realize obviously.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
I support people in the military...I don't support proxy wars. And I don't support policies that perpetuate proxy wars.
I don't support endless war.
I don't condone Trump going back on his campaign promises to extricate us from these endless wars.
Secretary of State Tillerson has slowly changed his statements in quite a dishonest way regarding Syria.
We are illegally occupying Syria at this very moment. We are illegally pursuing a plan of balkanization in both Iraq and Syria...
Next will be talk of balkanizing Afghanistan.
The narrative of going to war with Iran is constantly being pushed.
So, while I respect your service and your friends also..I am not going to let that overrule transparency in these situations.
That's just the way I see it.
1 VR46 2018-02-08
Then you wouldn't want their movements and numbers to be made public. Period. You can't say you respect the service men deployed in war zones while at the same time demanding that dangerous intel on their activities be made public. Madness.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
No..the madness is you being unable to question why we are still pursuing a completely failed policy regarding the middle east...and it doesn't give you the right to hold yourself or your friends hostage when discussing this.
I have every right to question my governments lack of transparency regarding casualties and attrition rates.
For you to suggest I don't says alot. Are you sitting behind a keyboard at Elgin AFB right now?
1 VR46 2018-02-08
Appears you can't follow a simple conversation. I'm discussing the dissemination of tactical intel of our ground troops who are already deployed and my desire for that intel to be better controlled to limit the chance that this intel gets some of our Patriots killed overseas.
But keep running your suck about some overreaching point (that we apparently agree on by the way) about why we are out there to begin with. Different discussion, not at all what we were talking about and you know it. Weak attempt to steer the conversation away from where you make ZERO SENSE, into a place you are more comfortable.
Regardless - anyone who thinks making "casualty, force strength, equipment, operational readiness, attrition figures, as well as performance assessment" public knowledge in real-time while engaged in combat activities is a moron and has zero understanding and experience in anything tactical.
It's madness to suggest otherwise, atleast from a Patriotic US citizen's point of view, not sure where you're sitting.
I'm ready for your off-topic reply distracting from the point here.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
I never specified "real time" reports...when did that become part of it?
And as far as this little fucked up gem of a statement:
"at least from a Patriotic US citizens point of view...not sure where you're sitting"...
Yeah, I'm done talking to you.
1 VR46 2018-02-08
You never once even discussed any of the points I made, and now you find the most childish reason to run away.
We're done??? I don't think you ever actually started 'talking with me' you just exploded into each post with bullet points you obviously have little understanding of. This is not how conversations go, but I'm glad you pulled the rip-chord here to avoid learning anything.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
I've seen these toxic tactics before. You keep pushing your all or nothing agenda there buddy. Not buying it.
"This is not how conversations go" another wonderful gem...who the fuck are you to tell me how a conversation is suppose to go...control freak much?
Declare I'm incapable of learning something...another nice one..
You sound more and more like Elgin AFB with every comment you post...
1 VR46 2018-02-08
That's just wishful thinking on my part bud. I'm trying to explain to you why giving out details about troop movement/welfare will get those "people you claim to support" killed real fast.
You keep talking about anything but that, including starting the ad hominem attacks about me being a gov't shill.
Thought you were done. No control it seems, I'll help and just stop replying to your pointless off topic and insulting posts.
Elgin AFB Analyst#46- signing off.
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
You managed to avoid the very specific points of casualties and attrition rates I brought up the whole time. When I pushed you on it..you moved to "real time" narrative...you're the one who never addressed my point.
American citizen/conspiracy theorist that's sick of war signing off.
1 Linquist 2018-02-08
I deployed to Afghanistan twice and I still didn't have any idea what was going on.
1 Squirrelboy85 2018-02-08
A lot of us feel that way brother.
1 d3rr 2018-02-08
Did you grow us up some profitable opium? Help the afganis bang their underage prostitutes?
1 Linquist 2018-02-08
No.
1 d3rr 2018-02-08
Did you hear about the opium grows or see them? Anything juicy for us?
1 Linquist 2018-02-08
I've been out since 2011. During my first deployment, the U.S. policy was the destruction of opium fields. Most Afghans I met absolutely fucking hated the US. for it.
During my second deployment the U.S. had switched to just leaving the fields alone, which I honestly think was the right move. If the objective was to win hearts and minds, setting crops on fire that provide for the livelihood of a huge chunk of the population isn't getting you anywhere. And yeah, I know how awful the opium trade is - but dealing with poppy fields should be left to the ANP or ANA instead of foreign troops.
1 d3rr 2018-02-08
Cool, thanks for the info. I agree with you about troops and opium. What a weird situation over there.
1 Weareone2 2018-02-08
You guys are being tricked into serving the interests of elite bankers. I really can't wait for the day that US military members start decapitating congressman. They hamstring you with ROEs. They lie to you about WMDs. They pay you shit. When one of you finally snaps, they put you in a cage. All the while partying, sleeping, eating well, fine company. While you suffer.
It's coming. Because eventually people catch on.
1 Linquist 2018-02-08
The pay is pretty reasonable, for the record. I've been out since 2011, so hopefully I won't feel the need to murder any congresspeople anytime soon.
1 Weareone2 2018-02-08
Compared to private contractors?
1 Linquist 2018-02-08
Trying to be a dick for no reason is pretty lame, dude.
1 Weareone2 2018-02-08
Not really being a dick. Pointing out that our servicemen are get fucked.
1 Friday_The_13th 2018-02-08
There’s evidence we’re using the army to secure poppy fields for larger scale opium production. It wouldn’t shock me if that’s why we are moving more troops there again.
1 StupidFatOldGuy 2018-02-08
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1 RogueSolid 2018-02-08
Trading equipment, what, like garden hoses and poppy fertilizer in exchange for M16 and MRE's?
1 AIsuicide 2018-02-08
OK..that's fuckin hilarious...it's not funny cause it's probably true...but still...hilarious.
1 d3rr 2018-02-08
Did Trump re-open the Afganistan "war" in his state of the union speech?
1 gaslightlinux 2018-02-08
Who cares how the military is operating. That's small potatoes next to the CIA and civilian contractors.
1 RhinoJeep 2018-02-08
Getting assets closer to iran
1 martini-meow 2018-02-08
Baghdad is closer to Teheran than Kabul is to Teheran...
1 martini-meow 2018-02-08
Currently, how can someone confirm with citations how many bases we have?
1 martini-meow 2018-02-08
This seems related:
https://np.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/7ujaj1/damning_new_study_helps_explain_why_pentagon_will/