i dont see how even if it were true that would lead to the implication of the entire government and their downfall

Whatevers going on in the world is controlled by few with leverage over corrupt politicians but not evil ones

Currupt make deals they know ain't legit like vote this bill true and we will make sure your voter base gets that funding you need evil know what they are doing is just plain wrong like mudding up reports to justify bad things like war

Not everyone is in one it, because not everyone needs to be. All you need is a few key positions within certain agencies filled by "your people", to allow for institutional gatekeeping by silencing dissenters or dead-ending questions. Pair this with good old blackmail and compartmentalization even of those "in the know" and you have all the tools you need to enact an effective conspiracy.

I wish more people understood this concept.

It's so difficult to convince people that these false flags are real because they know that most people are inherently "good".

If they were willing to forego being a member of the political class any longer. I'd also think that fear of an untimely death would be pretty reasonable since the people you would speaking out against were responsible for thousands of deaths.

I didn't say it would be unreasonable just that it would be daunting.

Some were definitely asleep, others spoke out and were silenced- see the paltry few who spoke out against Afghanistan and especially Iraq. Some were directly implicated. I don't think it means we should scrap the governing system...just that those in power are corrupt and thus it doesn't function as it should.

The way to keep this in check is to have an educated citizenry, engaged civically, which is an essential part of a healthy, strong Republic. Our Elites, however, have been working for decades to undermine this key aspect of a Republic, so that they might dominate the masses now lulled to sleep with ignorance masked in a false sense of superiority.

The checks and balances can be restored through an active, engaged citizenry voting in Representatives who actually represent their interests and beliefs in the system. Lazy citizens create apathy which engenders corruption.

You get out what you put in with self government, and it is a self-reinforcing cycle. Get lazy>vote in corrupt politicians> corrupt politicians dumb down citizens>stay lazy>vote in corrupt politicians.

And guns. It's always about guns. Trump was elected because big ass guns have his back.

If you still believe 3,000 people died that day, it will never make sense.

So are you saying that nobody or at least few people actually died in the 9/11 event?

Indeed I am.

And therefore it isn't so bad that there has been no further investigation or public explanation?

In a way, yes.

But then there is the small matter of the people in the middle east

What about them?

Well let's start from the beginning. What actual evidence have any of us seen to corroborate the '3,000 dead' official story?

None. At best we have seen some 'mourning families' on the telescreen.

But the buildings were fell of people when they came down!

How do we know this? We do not. We were told this by the same people who told us it was done by Osama.

But we do know that lots of people worked there!

Again, we do not know this. We simply take the stories on faith.

How do you know New York even exists?

Why would anybody doubt that a large city could exist?

Indeed. But have you seen evidence of New York?

What kind of evidence are you looking for?

And why do you doubt that New York exists?

If they can fake 3000 dead then they can fake a city. And dogs can't look up.

Dogs can't look up.

That is a non sequitur.

I've never seen the Statue of Liberty in the same room as the Pentagon.

People want to be lied to. The people at the top are giving the lemming masses what they want.

They still go to work, watch TV, and eat doritos. That is all that matters.

So, the bloody mangled bodies on the concrete from the jumpers were just real-time CGI?

Remember the name and don't convo with him, your wasting your time. He muddies the waters.

Haha I have to say I've agreed with him once or twice, but 99% of the time he stresses me out.

What significance do you attach to your view that the death toll was lower in the towers than most people believe, in terms of the functional outcome of 9/11 in its effects on US foreign and domestic policy? Many people in this sub will be of the view that the official 9/11conspiracy theory is a lie, and it is the outcome of that lie that continues to shape the present (by which I mean wars of aggression in the Middle East)'

Those 'wars of aggression' are also fake.

George Orwell tried to tell us, but it seems none of us want to pause and listen.

'orwell was warning us about teh trumps herp derp'

No, Trump was explaining how the telescreen stupifies the masses., who never stop to ask simple questions.

I see, so it's your contention that Iraq and Libya were never attacked?

Yes, that's my contention.

The litmus test is who is exposing the government lie and who is reinforcing it by staying silent about it. So yes, the entire political class is implicated by going along with a lie and not questioning it. There is no excuse for accepting the official version other than complicity.

a corrupt system top to bottom.

local ish school administrator caught doing big time expenses fraud, got away with it after some clever legal shenanigans. got paid 100K compensation too if I remember correctly.

I don't believe all levels of government (any government in the world) know what each hand is doing. Thats probably the bigger issue. Add that people enter and leave roles regularly, the issue you are trying to resolve becomes even more fragmented. Throw that in with the fact that if you planned this attack, you sure as shit wouldn't keep paperwork for it, so its all hear-say and hard to bring anyone into a court... this situation will never, ever, be resolved.

You could run and become president, and personally oversee the investigation, and nothing would be found. As sad as it is, 9/11 will always be an official terrorist attack.

The entire situation is fucked, not just 9/11. But this is the current “diplomacy” set up. All over the world things are like this, it’s why everyone feel helpless.

What pisses me off the most, is that we are helpless, in reality. As we are talking about it, what would/are you personally doing about 9/11? How far are you going to get in your investigation. If you rope in “higher ups” what are they going to do? The official story is the official story, we can poke holes in all of it, try and take it through the courts, bring up experts, etc etc, but what is the end result?? We all know already.

As I get older, the more I see this world is nothing but a game, and those who write the rules are winning. The problem is, the world has gone so far into this ‘game’ the only actions you can take are inside the ‘rules’... exactly what they intended.

Never forget the situation in Palestine is the number one reason for 9/11. That's why they chose New York and targeted Jewish buildings. The fact that the 9/11 Memorial was designed by a Jew and that the 9/11 Museum is curated by Jews is an enormous, enormous conflict of interest and let's them turn this into a "we're all in this together." type of narrative instead of a "Jews occupy a slave race, they deserve to be punished" narrative.

a corrupt system top to bottom.

local ish school administrator caught doing big time expenses fraud, got away with it after some clever legal shenanigans. got paid 100K compensation too if I remember correctly.

Yes, that's my contention.